From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 13:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:56:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 8 Feb 1995 13:56:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3haiie$clg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos wrote: > >I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >switches back to the session. > >So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >screen whenever I switch sessions? > You can't. Each session has its own screen. But all the sessions share the same rollback buffer, so if you want to view a screen from (say) session 1 while in session 2, you can clear the screen in session 1 before switching to session 2, and then when in session 2 you can push Page Up to view the cleared session 1 screen. Clear? :-) >and 2) how can I have kermit not >send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >whenever I switch a session? > You should not be using Xon/Xoff flow control on a TCP/IP connection. TCP and IP provide their own flow control, which is far more effective than Xon/Xoff. Just tell Kermit to SET FLOW NONE. In fact, if you use the TELNET macro that is supplied with MS-DOS Kermit, it sets everything up for you this way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 14:08:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Subscribe to Kermit News Date: 8 Feb 1995 14:08:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3haj87$dgb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gu5pp$9fo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Evan Leibovitch wrote: >In article <3h5mpp$gpf@ns.rezonet.net>, >>> Addresses in Canada should end with: >>> City XX lnl nln >>> CANADA >>> where XX is the 2-letter abbreviation for the province (e.g. ON for >>> Ontario, BC for British Columbia, PQ for Quebec), and "lnl nln" is the >>> six-digit (base 36 :-) postal code. >Actually, it ain't. The 'n' spaces are numeric only, the 'l' alpha only. > Hence the ":-)" >>PQ (Province of Quebec) was changed to QC (QuebeC) many years ago, leaving >>DC (District of Columbia) as the only place I can think of that has a >>classification name as part of the abbreviation. > Canberra, ACT (Australian Capitol Territory) is another. >Both PQ and QC are acceptable to the Canadian post office, they'll >deliver the mail equally slowly no matter how you mark it. > Thanks. I'll await official word on the political correctness of Canadian postal addresses. In fact, I'm kind of a postal address trivia collector, so any other hints about postal addresses in any country are most welcome, especially in the next few weeks, as the Kermit News mailing is being assembled. (Don't bother to tell me about the new German postal codes -- that's already taken care of.) In particular, many European (and perhaps other) countries have a country prefix on their postal codes, such as: D-79011 Freiburg (GERMANY) NL-1081 HV Amsterdam (NETHERLANDS) PL-40-873 Katowice (POLAND) SF-33560 Tampere (FINLAND) (*) etc. I believe these are ad-hoc creations; they are not ISO 2-letter or 3-letter country codes. Is there a document or standard anywhere that describes the preferred format for addresses in each country, and that lists the postal country codes, etc? (*) I understand that Finland now prefers FI to SF. Do the new countries of Eastern Europe and the former USSR -- Russia, in particular -- have country prefixes or other address-format changes? etc etc. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 7 16:42:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:40:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.channel1.com!news1.channel1.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!news.cs.uni-magdeburg.de!RRZ.Uni-Koeln.DE!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with transparent printing (3.14) Date: 7 Feb 1995 16:42:42 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3h87u2$4i3@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For years I was quite unaware of the possibility of redirecting remote print output to the local printer or to the local disk. The good news about that was brought to me in one of the early beta releases of MS-Kermit 3.14 which contained the pcprint.sh UNIX script in the utils-directory. Since then the number to times per day I'm walking over to the computer center decreased dramatically. :-) Now I repeatedly noticed an awkward problem that probably did not exist in early beta versions (sometime before beta 14): When I try "to pcprint" a somewhat larger e-mail (or any other text) file (say, about 20 KB) with "set printer filename" to my local disk, the process seems to "hang" anywhere. Entering "hangup" at the MS-Kermit prompt for getting out of this, usually needs 20 minutes or so to succeed. I performed some tests to clarify the conditions under which this happens (not very many tests, of course, since it is quite time-consuming) which seemed to indicate that it would only occur in a TCP/IP connection, not when I use my still existing serial connection. When I reinstalled Version 3.13 with my old mskermit.ini and mscustom.ini the pcprint thing worked alright. I also verified that the fault does not lie in the two current ini-Files: 3.14 produces the "hang" condition also with my old ini-Files. My other problem is less severe. Using pcprint transparent printing works OK with UNIX text files, and with piping in the mailer program elm, but when using pcprint to pipe print output from the newsreader program nn, the carriage returns are missing. (The effect is easily to be observed if one uses simply "cat" instead of "lpr" at the printer-prompt in nn.) My current solution is to encorporate a sort of UNIX-to-DOS filter in the pcprint script file, but I wonder if there exists a more elegant solution. Besides, the filter-command I have at hand inserts CRs at the end of every line, not only when there is a sole LF. Thanking you in advance for any leads. Peter Schmolck -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 15:48:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netnews From: lma@ix.netcom.com (Larry Applebaum) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ckermit and embedded cr's Date: 8 Feb 1995 15:48:21 GMT Organization: Netcom Lines: 10 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hap45$k43@ixnews2.ix.netcom.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ix-lb1-05.ix.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ckermit 5A-190 running under VMS has a problem receiving text files with embedded carriage returns not followed by a linefeed. It eats the character following the cr. As an example, the line "12345^M12345" gets mangled into "12345",new line,"2345". The old bliss version of Kermit handles the text just fine. Any thoughts on this? Thanks - Larry From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 16:05:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:10:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:05:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 12:55:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:56:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit for Nicolet Spectrophotometers Message-Id: <1995Feb8.085559.346@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 08:55:59 -0400 References: <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h74eo$i7h@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov>, cox@ash.lab.r1.fws.gov writes: > I am trying to transfer data from an old Nicolet FTIR to a PC in > order to obtain the data in the data in ASCII. I need a version of > Kermit which will talk to the Nicolet operating system operating system > (a 20 word bit) . Does anyone have such a version available > Bob Cox I've used XMODEM right out of the box on our Nicolet Pathfinder, a brain electrical analyzer. Some one from England just replied to you that they had Kermit for a series of cpus, but look for XMODEM, as Nicolet supplied it, they may have for you too. Good luck. Ours was an 18 bit machine.. Nicely done s/w for what it did, tho. as analysts we were impressed. I digress, tho... bye! /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 18:03:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:14:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question: Error: Can't create work file Date: 8 Feb 1995 18:03:28 GMT Organization: VytalNet, Inc. Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pc-lebar.vytalnet.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having a problem performing remote commands on a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive the error: Error: Cannot create work file. Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly this means. I thought initially it meant that it could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing some further checking, and downloading the server's 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing problem. Thanks (thanks from my client also), Mark ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ***********************|***************************************| Mark Lebar | These views are my own and likely | VytalNet, Inc. | not those of VytalNet Inc. | MarkL@VytalNet.com | | ***********************|***************************************| From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 05:02:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 20:55:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Message-Id: <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Feb 95 11:02:43 MDT References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my > desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that > the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being > sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one > switches back to the session. XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by SHOW MACRO. > So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the > screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not > send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on > whenever I switch a session? There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 01:35:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02970 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 22:20:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!gatech!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: news.groups,news.announce.newsgroups,comp.terminals,comp.lang.rexx.tso,comp.lang.rexx.vm,comp.dcom.lans.misc,comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel,comp.dcom.lans.token-ring,comp.dcom.modems,comp.dcom.sys.cisco,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,bit.listserv.ibm7171 Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 9 Feb 1995 01:35:19 GMT Lines: 89 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3hbrgn$25ni@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip7-31.fl.us.ibm.net Summary: Request for Discussion regardind new usenet group Keywords: hydra mainframe vtam sna bisync token-ring dialup X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Xref: news.columbia.edu news.groups:120546 comp.terminals:6424 comp.dcom.lans.misc:4744 comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel:120 comp.dcom.lans.token-ring:1636 comp.dcom.modems:80133 comp.dcom.sys.cisco:16583 comp.protocols.ibm:4027 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1917 bit.listserv.ibm7171:182 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newsgroups news.groups comp.terminals comp.lang.rexx.tso comp.lang.rexx.vm comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.hyperchannel comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.dcom.sys.cisco comp.protocols.ibm comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 8 21:01:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:29:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:28:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!unixg.ubc.ca!sundae!rodn From: rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 8 Feb 1995 21:01:42 GMT Organization: The University of British Columbia Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Reply-To: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: sundae.triumf.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Kermit gurus: I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and there is nothing documented that says it should. The symptom of this situation is that the two systems reach a deadlock condition. The VAX host is waiting for the reply to the query, and the PC is waiting for the correct bits of text from the login procedure. It would be fairly messy to try to get the correct escape sequence for the current terminal type from within the MSK script (I'm pretty sure). Is there a clean way of solving this problem? Is there a good reason for the terminal-type query to not be handled transparently, as I've suggested above? Does this sound like the beginning of a request for a new feature? :-) Thanks in advance for your help, --- Rod. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rod Nussbaumer, Programmer/Technologist Internet: rodn@sundae.triumf.ca TRIUMF --- University of British Columbia, Phone: (604)222-7449 Vancouver, BC, Canada. FAX: (604)222-7307 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 2 00:17:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!singapura.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 2 Feb 1995 00:17:15 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and "ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Polytechnic 93202707@np.ac.sg | yan%cyrus%linuxpub@csah.com | Republic of Singapore http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | hello world. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 13:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 08:56:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Date: 9 Feb 1995 13:56:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3hd6u7$em1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, Rod B. Nussbaumer wrote: >I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex >auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening >because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS >DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should >elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without >intervention from the script. > That would be nice, but it doesn't happen. The terminal emulator is not active except during the CONNECT and REPLAY commands. So your script has to handle terminal-type enquiries itself. For further details, please read section 18 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. For examples of VMS login scripts that handle the terminal ID query, see the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", or "Using C-Kermit", or for that matter, look at the VMSLOGIN macro that comes with the C-Kermit 5A(190) CKERMIT.INI (.kermrc) file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 14:02:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:02:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No Exit When Carrier Detect Date: 9 Feb 1995 14:02:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hd7af$f6m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3gp8ab$ihi@nova.np.ac.sg>, Loke Teng Yan <93202707@np.ac.sg> wrote: >I've have a problem with CKermit for OS/2 (190). Sometimes when I finish >my file transfers, I tend to forget the proper commands to get back to my >connection screen. Instead of pressing "fin", then "c", I press "fin" and >"ex". I remember that it is possible to configure the program such that >when a carrier is detected, it will ask the user to confirm the "exit" >command if it is executed. How can I do that? Thanks for any answers. > You're welcome. The command is: SET EXIT WARNING ON - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:31:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question: Error: Can't create work file Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083106.41161@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:31:06 MDT References: <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hb11g$sv@relay.tor.hookup.net>, MarkL@VytalNet.com (Mark Lebar) writes: > > I am having a problem performing remote commands on > a PC using MS-Kermit in server mode. Whenever I send > certain commands (eg. rem host del, rem dir) I receive > the error: > Error: Cannot create work file. > > Could someone please enlighten me as to what exactly > this means. I thought initially it meant that it > could not create the '$KERMIT$.TMP' file, but in doing > some further checking, and downloading the server's > 'session.log', I found that it did create it sometimes > (ie. when trying 'rem set ?'). > > Could someone please send me e-mail or post a response > if you know of a possible answer to this perplexing > problem. ------------ You are correct about the particular file. MS-DOS Kermit prior to v3.14 (current) used the current directory for that file. V3.14 tries first for the directory "TEMP" found in the DOS Environment and if not present then the current directory. Rather than saying REM HOST DEL say REM DEL. REM SET does not involve a temporary directory, only DOS commands used by Kermit to do the work create a temp directory to hold output for relaying back to the Kermit client. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 02:34:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK response to term type query in scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb9.083404.41162@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Feb 95 08:34:04 MDT References: <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hbbfm$pur@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca>, rodn@dawsun.triumf.ca (Rod B. Nussbaumer) writes: > Dear Kermit gurus: > > I am having a problem writing a script to do a somewhat complex > auto-login procedure. I have concluded that the hang-up is happening > because one host I am logging into does a terminal type query (in a VMS > DCL script, it is SET TERM /INQUIRE). To my way of thinking, this should > elicit a transparent response for the correct terminal type, without > intervention from the script. Well I don't think it is doing this, and > there is nothing documented that says it should. The documentation states clearly that terminal emulation is active ONLY in Connect mode, not otherwise. Scripts do not run in Connect mode. Thus you need to detect the ESC c terminal type query and make a standard response (listed in the docs). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 9 15:58:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06503 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 12:39:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!ftpbox!mothost!delphinium.cig.mot.com!tapir!broezell From: broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit & Pagers Date: 9 Feb 1995 15:58:02 GMT Organization: Motorola Inc., Cellular Infrastructure Group Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: tapir.rtsg.mot.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message "DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete without such a message. Thanks in advance. -- +-----------------+---------------------------------+--------------------------+ | . . | Kenny Broezell | alt phone:(708) 632-5390 | | ... ... | Motorola Cellular Support Center| fax :(708) 632-3157 | | ..... ..... | 1501 Shure Drive | alt fax :(708) 632-7466 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 00:32:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:44:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: CMS Kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb10.003245.1215@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <17337A963.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 00:32:45 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) writes: > Are there any hardware or software limitations that would > cause an average receive packet-size of 1915 bytes when it is set > at 9024? That is from CMS kermit to MSK 3.14 Yes. Although the System/370 I/O architecture allows 65,635 bytes per I/O request, there are limitations. The CMS macros for console I/O have limits: - the LINERD (read a line from the console) macro has a limit of 2030, - the LINEWRT (write a line to the console) macro has a limit of 1920, which is 24 (rows) times 80 (columns). Probably, the I/O controllers on the mainframe also have similar limits, probably due to the size of internal buffers, etc. I sense that if you draw a graph of elapsed-time versus packet-size, you'll see exponential-decay, i.e., using 80-byte packets will be slow, using 160-byte packets will be noticeably faster than 80-bytes, using 1K packets will be much faster than 80-bytes, but using 2K packets will only be slightly faster than 1K, assuming no "retries" occur. So, it won't matter (too much) that you can't achieve 9024-byte packets. :-) The important thing is to avoid "small" packet-sizes, if you like good performance. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 12:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:25:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 10 Feb 1995 12:59:53 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have an IBM 3090 running VM ESA 2.1 and SIM3278 Version 1 Release 2.1. We downloaded and installed kermit 4.31 from the sources at Columbia. When we execute the new kermit from a telnet session, the session is immediately closes. This happens no matter where we telnet from and with various telnet packages including unix and pc platforms. The same kermit works fine with the dialin to a Series I Yale/Ascii front end or through an IBM 7171 frontend. I understand this kermit works fine under VM 370. Is there anyone out there with a similar configuration with kermit working accross telnet? Please help George Gary (703-836-1071, fax 703-836-1146) From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 00:01:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:01:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and VM ESA 2.1 Date: 11 Feb 1995 00:01:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hguoh$dae@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hfo09$h1e@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It sounds as if the attempt to detect the controller type is killing the session. As of release 2.0, SIM3278/TCPIP did not support the type of detection that Kermit tries, but I never heard that it would fail so abysmally. Perhaps 2.1 is different. In any case, you need to force Kermit to settle on SERIES1 for the controller type anyway, so refer to the note dated 89/2/27 in IKCKER BWR. It explains how to do that -- extract the example into your KERMIT LOCAL. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 20:35:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!darwin.sura.net!news.larc.nasa.gov!xanth.cs.odu.edu!venus.ee.odu.edu!silsbee From: silsbee@venus.ee.odu.edu (Peter L. Silsbee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: detect BUSY? Date: 10 Feb 1995 20:35:20 GMT Organization: Old Dominion University, Department of Computer Science Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hgim8$cnv@xanth.cs.odu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: venus.ee.odu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I pretty much call just one number with my modem. Most of the time, that number is busy :( When it isn't busy, it frequently takes upwards of 45 seconds to connect. My current kermit script redials after 60 seconds if my wait-for-connect-message fails. But most of the time it's a busy signal which I ought to be able to detect and redial sooner. Any hints on how to simultaneously wait for the connect message but break out of the loop if a busy signal is detected? Thanks, Peter From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 14:40:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 09:45:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.usit.net!use.usit.net!howe From: howe@usit.net (Herb Howe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit sliding windows on Mac Date: 11 Feb 1995 14:40:33 GMT Organization: United States Internet, Inc. Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3hii92$ani@news.usit.net> References: <3gqrvl$nj0@news.usit.net> <3h0bv8$nvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: use.usit.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Mac Kermit is not well-maintained due to a persistent lack of : programmers who are both willing and able to do the job. I hope : Qualified Macintosh programmers are always welcome to look at : Mac Kermit and make any contributions they can, the most urgently : needed ones being bug fixes. Contact me if you are interested. For many Mac users, a public-domain Communications Toolbox (CTB) Kermit tool that includes all of the features of the current Kermit protocol would be more useful than a working MacKermit. A CTB tool may be used with most Mac terminal programs (ZTerm being a mojor exception) and a Kermit tool would allow file transfers at ZModem speeds without having to switch to MacKermit just to do transfers. It would probably be easier to find volunteers to work on a Kermit CTB Tool than to work on MacKermit. The tool involves primarily the Kermit file transfer protocol without the additional programming overhead of a complete terminal emulation. As far as I have been able to determine, there is currently no Mac program or CTB Tool that supports sliding windows, for example. Thus, for Mac users, ZModem is definitely faster than Kermit since there is no way to completely tune the Mac end of a Kermit transfer for speed. Any possibility of the Kermit project producing a public-domain CTB Kermit Tool? From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 10 10:46:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:45:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!mpifr-bonn.mpg.de!comma.rhein.de!news From: olboeter@comma.rhein.de (LOX) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.ibm,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS TSR remote file xfer??? Date: 10 Feb 1995 10:46:34 GMT Organization: Regionalnetz Bonn eV Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3hfg6a$nt2@comma.rhein.de> References: <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: larsol.comma.rhein.de X-Newsreader: WinVN NT 0.92.6 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:33605 comp.protocols.ibm:4051 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1930 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Paul. Do You have thought about one of those administration tools, e.g. Microsoft's SMS (Systems Management Server) which can distribute files and whole program packages to clients? It can be used in LANs, WANs and so on (WAN: e.g. using RAS-Services). Those packages will not be only distributed but also installed automatically on those clients. SMS is especially designed for such tasks you described. Besides that there are some nice features like automatic inventory of soft- and hardware, network tools, user support and so on. SMS can be installed on PCs using Windows NT 3.5 Server. Have a try bye Lars Olboeter olboeter@comma.rhein.de In article <3gliql$df3@crl12.crl.com>, cgi@crl.com (Paul Smith) says: > >Hi, > >I have the job of figuring out a solution for 40,000 DOS boxes, that all have >varying and unknow HW or SW (windows or not) configuration for: > >1) remote file xfer, in and out and delete. > >2) Support preferably a central Unix box to on-demand dial any of the remote >DOS boxes and send fetch files then hang-up. > >3) prefably have a simple passwd on the DOS box to filter out teh un-wanted. > >Solutions could be: > >a) TSR based SLIP+ ftpd > >b) TSR based kermit in server mode. This one sounds the most plausable given >a need for a small RAM foot print... > >The kermit folks have any ideas? > >c) Any of the old LAN manager stuff help here as a TSR remote tool? > >Thanks.. > > From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 03:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:39:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Kermit & Pagers Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3h727s$ql4$1@heifetz.msen.com> <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 03:11:15 GMT Lines: 18 Sender: taliesin@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hde2a$ctn@delphinium.cig.mot.com> broezell@tapir.cig.mot.com (Ken V. Broezell) writes: >Is there anyway to get kermit to dial digital pagers cleanly. I have >been playing with a script to page both Sky pagers and regular digital >pagers. The paging works most of the time but I always get the message >"DIAL Failure: DIAL TIMEOUT interval expired" I know why I'm getting >this message but was wondering if there is a way for kermit to complete >without such a message. Change the dial script to add a semicolon to the dial string, and to expect "OK" as an exit-successful condition rather than CONNECT.... The semicolon tells a Hayes-compatible modem "go do this dial script and then come back and tell me "ok" (leaving the phone off-hook) instead of trying to connect"... and I s'pose you'll want to output an ATH0 (or do a hangup) at the end of the script... -- Glenn R. Stone (taliesin@netcom.com) kermit kinda guy on occasion From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 20:58:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29457 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:58:13 GMT Lines: 21 Sender: jefe@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 19:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!usenet From: knewman@mcs.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 11 Feb 1995 19:07:15 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3hj1t4$h83@News1.mcs.com> Reply-To: knewman@mcs.com Nntp-Posting-Host: knewman.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks like this: Name:_____________________ C-Kermit looks like this: Name: At one time I used reflections with a /U for underline is there a way to duplicate this? Thanks, Kevin Newman From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:21:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16949 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:48:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Feb 95 19:21:12 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > > Question. I occasionally log onto a VAX computer and try to > transfer files using KERMIT v5a (on the vax, of course) to my desktop > system. I use PCPLUS for windows. No matter WHAT I do, the vax kermit > throughput is pathetically slow! I get MAYBE 200 characters a sec (a > little over 1200 baud) and I've got a 14.4k modem, and I have a 14.4k > connection established. Is this a fact of life with this version of VAX > kermit or is there something I'm failing to set. I've played with > 'window-size' 'flow-control' 'packet-length'..everything I can think of > which could affect the transmission rate. The only thing that affected > throughput at all was the 'set window-size' command. When I dropped it > from the max value of 31 to the min value of 1 my throughput went up to > around 1200 baud. Yes that's right, up to 1200 baud. Any help on this > matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. ------------ It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. So look at the other end of the wire for a moment. Try MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14 is current. Then ask if there is a comms box between the ends which throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). VAXen come in various models and the faster they are the more bytes/sec they can move across the link. My uVAX II can do about 2-4KB/sec before suffering dizziness. A VAX undergoing heavy swapping will not be very speedy. I rarely have occassion to use more than 4 window slots, even on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though the comms boxes and type-ahead buffers of mainframes. In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port is locked at 1200bps?). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 07:04:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:32:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news From: Dorothy Parks Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with Kermit Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:04:11 -0700 (MST) Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: srv1.freenet.calgary.ab.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu II am a newcomer to the Freenet and am unable to download a file to my drive using Kermit. When I GET the file the box keeps repeating "packet resent" How should the Kermit options be set? From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 03:51:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19077 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:51:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to do Underlines with C-Kermit OS/2 Date: 12 Feb 1995 03:51:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3hk0kh$aol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hj1t4$h83@news1.mcs.com>, wrote: >Is there an Underline option in C-Kermit for OS/2?? I have an application >that I am trying to use that displays underlines at the console, but not when >I'm using C-kermit in VT220 mode. For example, at the terminal it looks >like this: example deleted C-Kermit does indeed show Underlined text. But it uses color to represent the underlining instead of a true underline. Use SET TERMINAL COLOR UNDERLINED-TEXT to set the color combination you would like. x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:13:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:13:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Multiple TCP/IP Sessions Date: 11 Feb 95 11:39:51 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 23 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.113951.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.135930.40929@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: >> Help! I have updated to V3.14 and run multiple TCP/IP sessions connected to a >> UNIX system. V3.14 is disconnecting my sessions that I am not currently in >> after a period of time. Is there a parameter I am supposed to modify to >> prevent this? V3.13 does not do this. > ---------------- > It's not MSK doing disconnects, it's your host(s). Maybe you could > elaborate on the environment and any other details of interest. The actual > useful piece of information is a packet trace, if you have the equipment > for that job (FTP Inc Lanwatch or Novell Lanalyzer formats would be fine here). > Joe D. I noticed the same behaviour: with 3.13 I could have an idle connection for days, but with 3.14 the connection terminated after an idle period. The host was Unisys U6000/65 with their UNIX SVR4 port. The host had an idle timeout parameter, which we increased; indeed, it was the host doing disconnects. However, I don't know why 3.13 kept the connection open despite of the timeout... -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 23:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:14:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!eru.mt.luth.se!news.luth.se!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Sessions Under MSK Date: 11 Feb 95 11:45:03 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 34 Message-Id: <1995Feb11.114503.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu> <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb8.110243.41038@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3h8mda$b48@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: >> >> I'm using msk v3.14 connecting to various Unix hosts from the pc on my >> desk. I've noticed that whenever I switch sessions (using alt-n) that >> the screen gets cleared. Now it appears that an xon/xoff is also being >> sent to the session to have it stop outputting to the screen until one >> switches back to the session. > XON/XOFF will not be sent if you follow the guidelines and say > SET FLOW NONE when using Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. This > is normally the case when using supplied macro TELNET (does > a set port tcp host ... and set flow none); as can be seen by > SHOW MACRO. > >> So, my two questions. 1) how can I stop kermit from clearing the >> screen whenever I switch sessions? and 2) how can I have kermit not >> send the xon/xoff characters and just allow the output to go on >> whenever I switch a session? > > There is nothing in MSK to clear the screen when switching > sessions, and it doesn't happen to me. Might you have a set of > SESSION macros defined? If so those are executed each > time a particular (digit) session is activated/resumed. > Joe D. I noticed with 3.14 beta April '94 that when you have very little conventional (i.e. < 640KB RAM) memory free and have many sessions open, Kermit would sometimes beep and give you a blank screen when pressing Alt+N. Check your free memory. For example, do you have enough memory to spawn a command processor (i.e to do a PUSH)? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 05:53:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:17:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!sunc!jp1ek From: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Date: 11 Feb 1995 05:53:10 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hhjc6$6i7@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <3h95e2$krc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jp1ek@sunc.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: sunc.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Yeechang Lee (ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Jeff Bishop says: : I haven't seen the article, but if it's anything like his documentation : I'm sure it'll be an interesting experience. His writing style : is--um--bizzare, to say the least. So is the source code in the UNIX versions of zmodem. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 06:10:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:33:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!fod From: fod@netcom.com (Frank O'Donnell) Subject: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Message-Id: Organization: Les Amis de l'Accordeon References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Jan31.205326.40045@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 06:10:17 GMT Lines: 29 Sender: fod@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik writes: >> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >> >> Any benchmarks ? > > Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >If not please do. Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe), to a max of around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a Kermit implementation). I have and have read "Using C-Kermit" by da Cruz and Gianone. Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? Thanks for any comment, Frank fod@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 11 13:47:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 02:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!news.cuny.edu!jemjj From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:47:51 EST Organization: City University of New York/University Computer Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Dan Morgenroth From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 14:55:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:55:17 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 15:29:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 03:38:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: shlomit@actcom.co.il (Shlomit Wexler) Subject: test Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:29:03 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry this is a TEST.. -- With regards, sssss w w From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:51:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:51:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3ho67k$kum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <95042.184751JEMJJ@cunyvm.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max >transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. >I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, >but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > >Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my >transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > The Kermit FAQ can be found on kermit.columbia.edu in kermit/FAQ.TXT. Quoting from it (since there were more than usual number of questions like this in this morning's crop of postings): ... you can make Kermit go as fast as the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. A good starting value to try is 1000. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This might require some trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 17:58:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (apakabar-ether.cc.columbia.edu) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protocol transfer speeds (was Re: ... zmodem transfers) Date: 13 Feb 1995 17:58:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ho6jv$lmh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3gkt57$euc@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <1995Feb2.065133.40221@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Donnell wrote: >Joe Doupnik writes: >>> In the early days, zmodem was said to be 4-5 times faster than kermit ? >>> Is it still true now with the latest shareware of zmodem and kermit ? >>> (I am only interested in performance, not features or any thing else) >>Did you read the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 release collection? >>If not please do. > >Actually this brings up a question of mine. I recently obtained >C-Kermit ver 5A(190) ported to FreeBSD Un*x and have been running >it on my 486 PC with a Hayes 14.4K modem. When I run MS-DOS/Windows >sessions on the PC with Procomm for Windows, I typically get >transfer rates around 1500 bytes per second using Zmodem protocol. >However, using C-Kermit with the speed set to 19200, I get >Kermit transfer rates ranging from about a tenth of that, or >about 150 bytes per second (downloading from CompuServe) > Note that we can't vouch for CompuServe's Kermit implementation. >...to a max of >around 300 bytes per second (downloading from an office BBS with a >Kermit implementation). > ...nor for whatever Kermit implementation might be in use on the BBS. >Does the above bespeak a configuration problem on my end? > First, read the item on Kermit performance in our FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT then try the techniques described there. Better still, try them with real Kermit software, e.g. MS-DOS Kermit on the PC, C-Kermit on UNIX, etc, and you'll get the kind of performance numbers you want. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 21:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:44:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Rockwell Protocol Interface?? Date: 13 Feb 1995 21:10:10 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3hohri$82v@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, Sorry if this question is answered somewhere in the (great mass of) kermit docs, but I did a grep through them for the key "rockwell" and found nothing so... Does kermit 3.14 for ms-dog support Rockwell's Protocol Interface (RPI)? Many thanks for the answer or pointers as to where it might be found! Tito. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:12:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SUMMARY: Can MS-DOS kermit handle zmodem transfers? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:18:25 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3hn141$4m7@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il Summary: MSK can handle zmodem with DSZ program Keywords: MSK, DSZ, zmodem, rz, sz, c-kermit X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Recently I asked how I can use zmodem via MS-Kermit, that is, use an external program from MSK to handle incoming zmodem data transfers. I'm doing this every day from my C-Kermit, using the 'rz' macro supplied with C-Kermit package. Official responses (Joe Doupnik) were that "Kermit protocol is superior and one does not need to support or use zmodem." Most other response suggested using Chuck Foresberg's DSZ program, available on SimTel/DOS/zmodem archives. For other suggestions, see enclosed mails below. Thanks to the following people: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) JRD@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik ) ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) OK, I got a few requests for this so: PDZMODEM can be found at: ftp://vinny.csd.mu.edu/pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem/pdzmodem.zip i.e., Anonymous ftp site: vinny.csd.mu.edu Directory: /pub/CBIP/volume28/pdzmodem Filename: pdzmodem.zip I run the program by adding the following two lines to my MSCUSTOM.INI file: define rz cd \telecom\download,run d:\telecom\pdz\zm rz -c4 set key \315 rz This starts a ZModem recieve when I hit the F1 key. the d:\telecom\pdz is the directory where I have PDZMODEM. The -c4 means use com port 4. The cd \telecom\download causes the file received to be put in my download directory. f you have any questions, feel free to e-mail me. And to repeat, the PDZMODEM is public domain. David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) 53258 Jan 30 07:33 garbo.uwasa.fi:/pc/ts/tskerm26.zip tskerm26.zip Keypads, .bats, logging, and file transfers for MsKermit. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Faculty of Accounting & Industrial Management; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland -------------------------------------------------------------------- -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 06:56:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:33:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!olivea!hookup!news.kei.com!wang!news From: tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) Subject: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Organization: ACTCOM - Internet Services in Israel Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:56:14 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi There. I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some how. Does anyone have any suggestions ? Thank you Ram Gura From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 14:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 05:10:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!uni-regensburg.de!pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de!Gerd.Boehm From: Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:59:02 GMT Organization: Universitaet Regensburg Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pc1034.physik.uni-regensburg.de Summary: How to leave graphics mode of vt220/Tek emulation of Kermit? Keywords: Graphics mode, MSDOS, Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET session or is it a bug? TIA, Gerd -- Gerd B"ohm | gerd.boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de Inst. f. Theor. Physik |_____ Uni Regensburg; Germany | _|__) ========================|__|__) ============================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 07:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:39:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!zib-berlin.de!ceres.fokus.gmd.de!nntp.gmd.de!dearn!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 13 Feb 1995 07:03:18 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN ]version 1.2 PL2( Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? -- /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:53:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: VAX Kermit 5a xmit speed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <1995Feb11.192112.41395@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:18:29 GMT Lines: 42 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : It's not C Kermit/VMS, I can assure you. On our Alpha clusters : CK delivers up to 70KB/s over Telnet when the load isn't at saturation. I tend to agree, BTW: I've attempted this xfer both from dialup and telnet. The site is NKU.EDU FYI. : throttles things, such as a terminal server which is intolerant of file : transfer activities (wants human typing speed, not much more). Woudln't normal screen activity and text throughput also be affected by this? I've definitely got a high speed connection as far as screen writes go. : on cross country links. 1000 byte packets is also a good compromise : on most links, though a few require much shorter packets to slip though How do I set this through Kermit? : In all, decent machines are loafing at modem speeds. But the modems : and serial ports need to operate at those speeds (an maybe your VAX port : is locked at 1200bps?). Again, no because I am at a high speed connection because of the text throughput (non file transfer). Unless there's some way to lock a port to 1200 for a file transfer only? Also, I can FTP to the site and it runs at 'normal ftp speeds'. I agree that there's something amiss, it's just that I can't figure out what! If I run kermit on this unix server, it runs at the max throughput of my modem (again, using Procomm Plus for Windows), yet I telnet to the VAX, start kermit, send ANY kind of file, and I can't get more than 200 cps out of it. If you have any setup commands for the remote kermit that might rectify this, they would be appreciated. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 20:21:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:01:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jefe From: jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:21:13 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: jefe@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or the remote end. -- ************************** *Thoughts by: Pablo (tm)* * * * If 'meat is murder', * * then so are leather * * jackets, fur coats and * * paintbrushes... * * ...Mr Wonderful * ************************** From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:18:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for OSF/2.1 Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:22:19 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3hp44r$svi@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone tried to install kermit on a DEC Alpha running OSF/2.1 ? I've been trying to compile and I'm stuck at the ckufio.c module. It seems that the dir.h file in BSD is not compatible with OSF. This is a quick request as I don't have time tonight to get into the details of what I've done on this so far. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman Ford Motor co. bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:10:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:49:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: glb3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tek 4105a emulation Date: 12 Feb 1995 17:10:27 -0500 Lines: 9 Sender: glb3@fidoii.CC.lehigh.EDU Message-Id: <3hm10j$109m@ns1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am interested in using kermit to transfer data from a PDP-11 to a PC. The terminal used to run the PDP-11 is a Tek 4105a. I can use the Tek 4010 emulation to accomplish the data transfer, but the lack of graphics emulation causes problems. Is there a way to emulate a Tek 4105a? If so how do I get and install the necessary software? Thanks, Geoff From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 00:06:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15985 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:03:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!lf.hp.com!smisko From: smisko@lf.hp.com (Dan Smisko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Date: 13 Feb 1995 00:06:17 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard Little Falls Site Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3hm7pp$p80@hpavla.lf.hp.com> References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpavdq.lf.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Pablo (jefe@netcom.com) wrote: : JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max : : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. : : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, : : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. : : : : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my : : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. : Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, : I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you : get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected : all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm : still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or : the remote end. I'm using C-Kermit on HP-UX and V.32bis on each end. I get about 1580 cps on large binary transfers. My .kermrc is appended. Good luck. Dan Smisko smisko@lf.hp.com Hewlett-Packard (302)633-8510 Little Falls Site (302)633-8915 FAX 2850 Centerville Rd. Wilmington, DE 19808 ======================================================================== set modem hayes set dial speed-matching off set dial dial-command ATDT%s\13 set dial init-string ATZ\{13} #set flow-control rts/cts set flow-control keep set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 38400 set carrier off set parity none set control-character unprefixed all set control-character prefixed 0 3 128 131 #set control-character prefixed 0 1 3 4 17 19 21 128 129 131 132 145 147 149 set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set buffers 32767 32767 set window-size 8 set file type binary set file name literal set file display fullscreen set send packet-length 1024 set receive packet-length 1024 set block-check 3 define runterm output term\13, pause 2, ! term <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define on_exit pause 1, output +++, pause 1, output ath0s0=0\13 From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 11:39:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:18:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Max xfer speed at 14.4 Message-Id: <1995Feb12.173925.41449@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Feb 95 17:39:25 MDT References: <95042.184751JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jefe@netcom.com (Pablo) writes: > JEMJJ@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: > : I am using Kermit to transfer documents on a 14.4 modem and achieving a max > : transfer speed of about 400 bytes/sec. I am using a packet size of 1913. > : I have a feeling that I should be able to perform transfers faster than this, > : but I can't seem to do anything else to speed things up. > : > : Are there other settings I should be aware of that could be affecting my > : transfer speed? Any tip would be greatly appreciated. > > Hey, are you using cKermit on a VAX by any chance? Geez louise, > I just wrote a message complaining about the EXACT same thing. If you > get anything figured out, let me know, please. I've already deflected > all the questions like "Are you sure you have a 14.4k connection?" so I'm > still waiting for some specific ideas to implement either on my end, or > the remote end. --------------- Replying to both correspondents. Not all comms boxes provide the same speed and buffering capacity in both directions. As Frank da Cruz has often pointed out (with exasperation) Cisco terminal servers are fast and capacious for data moving from the host to the client, and exactly the opposite for data moving the other way (hardware built expecting only human typing rates). A box with little buffering for client to host traffic and poor flow control will drop incoming bytes. So step one is to validate flow control at each point along the path. Yes, this may require other people to open the wiring closets and pop the covers. Step two is to explore the capacity of the link by changing the sending Kermit's outgoing packet size (SET SEND PACK nnn). Step three is to get the VAX manager to verify installation of C Kermit and in particular to verify the section in the instructions which discusses terminal buffer sizes (SYSGEN parameter MAXBUF, set to be larger than the longest Kermit packet you want to use, mine is set to 9216; check by looking at file sys$system:modparams.dat). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 18:11:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 17 Feb 1995 18:11:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3i2ota$mua@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on >the remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum >thruput. Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more >than one window used out of the three. Is this a bug, a feature, or am I >doing something wrong? > It's not a bug and you are probably not doing anything wrong. When two Kermit programs have agreed to use a maximum window size greater than one, let's say 4, here is what happens: The FILE SENDER can send up to 4 packets without waiting for an acknowledgement from the file receiver. Each unacknowledged packet sits in the file sender's window until it is acknowledged. Thus its window size grows from 1 to 2 to 3 to 4. If acknowledgments arrive quickly, the window might not grow to its maximum size because it does not need to. The job of the FILE RECEIVER is to accept and verify packets, decode them, and write the decoded contents out to the file. If packets arrive in sequence, then each one is processed and disposed of as soon as it arrives. If, however, a packet arrives that has a sequence number that is more than one greater than the previous packet that was successfully processed, this means that a packet is missing. Thus the packet that just arrived can't be written out to disk because if it were, the file would have a piece missing. So the out-of-sequence packet is stored in the receiver's window until the missing piece is filled in. Thus you won't see the file receiver's window size exceed one unless there have been transmission errors, no matter what window size the file sender might be using. For greater detail see pages 102-103 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or pages 158-161 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 05:18:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:13:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.111804.42028@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 11:18:04 MDT References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) writes: > > This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS > version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to > send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that > Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies > itself as being a Kermit emulator? > > We have some programmers who are writing an application and > would like to query the connecting terminal to find out > if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. ------------ Enquire/Answerback: Control E. See manual file msvibm.vt. Getting that particular may not be a good long term strategy. From that file - DEC VT320 and VT102 functions while in ANSI (non-VT52) mode, unsupported features are marked by an asterisk (*): Control Codes in C0 (no high bit) Area: Name ASCII value chart hex keyboard operation NUL 0/0 00h ^@ Ignored except during transparent printing ENQ 0/5 05h ^E Answerback message (response: "MS-DOS KERMIT") Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 04:38:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:11:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: ckermit linux <-> ckermit vax Message-Id: <1995Feb14.043821.23227@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 04:38:21 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I just upgraded to ckermit linux version 190. My connection for the net is an openvms computer that has ckermit 189 loaded. After completion of a download (binary or text) while using the consoles in linux, my terminal in linux is set in a unstable state. The Linux console terminal is not adding a new line character, and new lines are writing over the old lines. This continues even after quiting ckermit. Never happened with 189. I have to run a program called reset in Linux or reset the terminal on the vms side to make the screen work correctly. Any ideals what I need to set in the linux ckermit? Thanks, Helen I did look in the ckermit book first. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 12:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:02:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!sangam!shakti!bpcledp From: bpcledp@shakti.ncst.ernet.in (BHARAT PETROLEUM CORP. LTD. (EDP CELL)) Subject: DLL for Kermit Implemention Message-Id: Organization: National Centre for Software Technology, India X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:58:04 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am developing a communication utility for in house use at our place. I would like implement the send and receive routines using kermit protocol. I am using VB Prof 3.0 for my development. Any pointer to DLL implementation for kermit would be appreciated. Abhishek From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 02:51:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:32:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:31:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!fdn.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!jussieu.fr!news.oleane.net!oleane!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!torn!spool.mu.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Feb 95 08:51:47 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: > Hi There. > I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system > to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. > On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 > There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the > VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some > how. > > Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Thank you > Ram Gura ------------------ a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one too. All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 23:36:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!midget.towson.edu!mcyzyk From: mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Date: 14 Feb 1995 02:42:40 GMT Organization: Towson State University, Towson, MD Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: midget.towson.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later point in the session. Can this be done? Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? Mark Cyzyk Towson State University From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 12 22:43:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 01:03:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.dsndata.com!legba.synergy.net!newsie.wis.com!fryder From: fryder@wis.com (fergus ryder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit on IBM AS/400 Date: 12 Feb 1995 22:43:35 GMT Organization: Wisconsin Internet Services Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3hm2uo$4e0@newsie.wis.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: squeaky.free.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:13:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04361 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14pl3 and Graphics Mode Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101333.41775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:13:32 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gerd.Boehm@physik.uni-regensburg.de (Gerd Boehm (2017)) writes: > Hello, > one simple question which I haven't found answered in the FAQ and > in the supplied MS-Kermit docs: How can I leave the graphics mode > of the vt200/Tek terminal emulation? > > I use MS Kermit 3.14pl3 to TELNET to a Sun. Kermit emulates an vt220 > terminal. An Unix application is able to draw Tek40xx graphics. > Kermit switches into graphics mode just fine, but I am unable to > leave this mode to get back to the vt220 text terminal emulation. An ESC- > Return doesn't help (which works for kermit 3.13). By ESC I only got the > singlecharacter menu. Is there a way back without exiting the TELNET > session or is it a bug? ---------------- ALT-minus sign (on the rank above querty keys). It's keyboard verb \Ktermtype. It toggles between text and graphics modes. Some time ago it also used to cycle amongst all the terminal types in succession but that was not a productive solution. Here is a cutout from file msvibm.vt: OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal etc Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 04:18:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:23:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 10:18:40 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 104 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > Hello, > > in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that > did the following: > During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into > RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. > So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape > character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return > and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. > Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement > the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps > on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could > send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. ----------------- Please see kermit.upd in the quick start release package msvibm.zip found in directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. In particular, read about the APC command, portion attached below. Joe D. -------------- UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. Old way (described on pages 180-181 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"): CSI ? 34 h / l invoked the TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros, if you had them defined. This required each Kermit user to define them, for example in their MSCUSTOM.INI files, a big management problem for large user communities. New way: CSI ? 34 h / l controls screen-writing direction, left-to-right or right-to-left (for Hebrew and Arabic), as it does on real Hebrew-model VT terminals (see Hebrew section above). To replace the TERMINALR/TERMINALS function, MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 now supports the Application Program Command (APC) escape sequence, which is accepted by MS-DOS Kermit 3.13's VT emulators, VT100 and above: APC ST In the 7-bit environment, APC is ESC _ and ST (string terminator) is ESC \. In the 8-bit environment, APC is decimal 159 and ST is 156 decimal. The can be any MS-DOS Kermit command or list of commands, separated by commas, and can be up to 1024 bytes in length. Upon receipt of this escape sequence, MS-DOS Kermit executes the command(s) in the string and then automatically resumes CONNECT mode. NOTE: In this respect, APC differs from the old TERMINALR/TERMINALS mechanism, which did NOT automatically re-enter CONNECT mode. Thus, if you are recycling your TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros for APC use, be sure to remove the ", connect" from the end of their definitions, or else you will have to escape back twice the next time you want the MS-Kermit> prompt. For safety, the APC mechanism cannot be used to invoke certain MS-DOS Kermit commands that might do damage, like deleting your files. Included in this category is the RUN command, which provides access to DOS and to other applications. This new MS-DOS Kermit command regulates the APC mechanism: SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED } ON means that Kermit will execute only safe commands. OFF (the default) means Kermit will not execute any commands and will ignore APCs. UNCHECKED means Kermit will execute ANY commands sent via APC. Use UNCHECKED at your own risk. If you want to use this feature, you must enable it explicitly using SET TERMINAL APC ON (recommended) or SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED. APC is much more flexible than the old TERMINALS/TERMINALR mechanism, and can be used for any purpose at all. For example, it can be used to configure MS-DOS Kermit for use with a particular host or application by sending the appropriate list of SET commands: communication parameters like parity, protocol parameters like packet-length and window size, key mappings, etc. It can also be used to initiate file transfers automatically from the host without having to escape back to MS-DOS Kermit. Here's an example you can use with C-Kermit 5A. In your C-Kermit 5A customization file (.mykermrc or CKERMOD.INI), add commands like this: define autosend set delay 0, apc receive, send \%1 \%2, statistics define autoreceive apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive, statistics Try it! NOTE: The APC command is new to C-Kermit 5A(189); if you have an earlier release of C-Kermit you can define APC as a macro: define apc output \27_\%1\27\92 You can set up similar procedures with IBM mainframe Kermit, e.g. in VM/CMS by stacking commands and using XECHO to emit the escape sequences. You can expand these commands to handle text and binary mode if you want to: ; Text transfers define tsend set del 0, set file type text, apc receive, send \%1, stat define treceive apc {set fil typ text, send \%1 \%2}, stat ; ; Binary transfers define bsend set del 0, set file type binary, apc receive, send \%1, stat define breceive apc {set fil typ binary, send \%1 \%2}, stat From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 06:56:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06399 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!server.cs.vt.edu!not-for-mail From: chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu (Chengyin Chris Ye) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 14 Feb 1995 01:56:28 -0500 Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: csgrad.cs.vt.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip connection. It looks like following: ;my kermit script . . output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 . . input {username:} output chrisye\13 . . output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. connect end At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is droped. What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? Any idea is welcome, I am basicly trying to write a script to run kermit and slattach automatically. Thanks -chris chrisye@csgrad.cs.vt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 00:27:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:27:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 00:27:04 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") Any suggestions? I really could use your help... Please either post reply or mail one to mike@panther.fiu.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 22:45:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:48:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!45.75.med.umich.edu!jklaas From: James Klaas Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 13 Feb 1995 22:45:47 GMT Organization: University of Michigan Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 45.75.med.umich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: Nuntius 2.0_PPC X-Xxmessage-Id: X-Xxdate: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:43:40 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ | James Klaas jklaas@umich.edu -0- "Any sufficiently advanced | | technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo." | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ |"We are MicroSoft. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."| +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 11:38:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 06:56:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:38:25 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Joe Doupnik writes: > In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > > > Erik > -------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and > that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info > retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. If there is a key-sequence in the library-access software that always gets you to a fixed point (e.g. main menu) you can use Kermit's ALT-X key as a hotkey by implementing a 'connect'-loop: :reconnect connect output sequence-that-gets-you-back-to-main-menu goto reconnect It might take a little experimenting to find a sequence that always works, but if you find one, ALT-X will be a near-bullet-proof 'restart'. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 13:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 07:48:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!darwin.sura.net!news.cldc.howard.edu!gg From: gg@sulu.cldc.howard.edu (George Gary) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit,VM ESA 2.1,ibm tcp/ip,sim3278 Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:57:41 GMT Organization: Howard University, Computer Learning & Design Center Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqcsl$oa5@sulu.cldc.howard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scs.howard.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using kermit on our ibm runngin VM ESA 2.1 for years without a problem over dialup thru a Series I and thru an IBM 7171. Now we have users telneting in as vt100 and connecting useing IBM TCP/IP and the SIM3278/TCPIP product. When logging in via this means and executing the kermit module, the telnet session is immediately closed. We located a site where this is working ok but on a VM/370 operating system. Does anyone know of a site with VM ESA 2.1, IBM TCP/IP, and SIM3278/TCPIP where kermit is working over a telnet session or have any clue about this problem? Please help! From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 12:58:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:01:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!jupiter.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@jupiter.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 18 Feb 1995 12:58:38 GMT Organization: A poorly-installed InterNetNews site Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.cs.uml.edu Summary: Mode line sticks on, won't scroll. Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most of the times things work well. However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? Regards, Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:30:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16896 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:18:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:30:49 MDT References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, James Klaas writes: > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. ---------------- Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. No DOS program (that's DOS, not Windows) can use a pure Windows TCP/IP stack. The program structures are vastly different. If Microsoft provides a DOS gateway then fine, else no. Windows programs/.dlls/etc are not compatible with DOS programs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 02:10:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.081030.41660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 08:10:30 MDT References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told > is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? > > I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet > sizes are set to 1024. > > Any clues?? > > Thanks in advance.... ---------- To ask the obvious: maybe that's all that the Tymenet channel can carry? Those things are time sharing of a comms line, and such situations are often very slow since they expect only interactive keystrokes and similar from the client. To ask another question: did you engage sliding windows with many window slots? And, which Kermit is on each end of the channel? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 14:44:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:44:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Date: 18 Feb 1995 14:44:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3i514b$kdf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu>, Chengyin Chris Ye wrote: > I have a kermit script to dail in a network box and setup a slip >connection. It looks like following: > >connect >end > At this point, why are you entering CONNECT mode? If you don't need the terminal emulator to type something manually you should not be entering CONNECT. Then you won't need to type "ctrl-\c". Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:45:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:51:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!lexus.gslis.utexas.edu!nksung From: nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hangup the connection automatically? Date: 16 Feb 1995 01:45:31 GMT Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: lexus.gslis.utexas.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student who wants to use the different database. Can you help me? Thanx in advance. Nackil From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22716 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:32:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit 3.13 command line options Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073223.41657@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:32:23 MDT References: <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hp5b0$i0n@news.umbc.edu>, mcyzyk@midget.towson.edu (Mark Cyzyk) writes: > > I am using MSKermit 3.13 and have written some .TAK files that I wish to > run from the command line. The .TAK files themselves run fine, but my > problem is that I cannot get back to a MSKermit> prompt while I'm in a > session that was initiated from a command line option to run a .TAK > file. Essentially, I do not want my .TAK files to preclude my entrance > of "interactive mode" i.e., a return to the Kermit prompt, at some later > point in the session. Can this be done? > > Right now, when I type ALT-X, if I've loaded Kermit without command-line > options, I get a Kermit prompt at the bottom of my screen. Can I do > this even if I've used command line options and if so, how? ------------ See the manual on keyword STAY to keep MSK active when the last command line action has completed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 01:34:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:33:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Message-Id: <1995Feb14.073451.41658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Feb 95 07:34:51 MDT References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: > Hi, > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the > remote Sun. > When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer > of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window > used out of the three. > Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? ---------- During file reception with sliding windows the receiver will show only one window slot in use because it's seeing packets in order and the head of the queue is being serviced at all times. If a bad packet arrives then future ones occupy more slots until the replacment arrives. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:44:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:10:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!srvr1.flint.umich.edu!gmi!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 14 Feb 1995 19:44:59 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3hr17r$ofe@news1.halcyon.com> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. >When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. Transfer >of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? If you have a clean, low-latency, connection then your receiving Kermit will be acknowleging packets fast enough that the extra buffering of the other available windows will not be needed. If you really want to force multiple windows, inject some line noise into your connection ;-). --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 12:50:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!satisfied.elf.com!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!fen!fim.uni-erlangen.de!da213 From: da213@fim.uni-erlangen.de (Thomas Rusch) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:50:12 GMT Organization: Free-Net Erlangen Nuernberg, Germany Message-Id: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet-a.fim.uni-erlangen.de Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS Danke jetzt schon From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 18:42:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!news2.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: BUSHEYA@news1.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 14 Feb 1995 13:42:44 -0500 Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news2.delphi.com Summary: can ckermit for os/2 provide a slip connectionn? Keywords: kermit os2 os/2 slip Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP connection..... Can it? busheya@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu busheya@delphi.com Busheya@ropt1.am.wyeth.com please e-mail or post a rely- note: this is only a hobby. From postmaster@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:13:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:38:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:37:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!serss0!michaell From: michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:13:50 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: serss0.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: : > : > : > -- : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) : > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") : ------------- : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code : Page in the display adapter. : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. : Joe D. -- No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. Any other suggestions? Please help :) From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:08:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27630 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:40:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:08:42 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3i562a$20l@pacifier.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ram Gura wrote: > >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. > >Does anyone have any suggestions ? > Hi, Ram. Check the attributes of the binary file on the Vax with a $ DIRECTORY /FULL before downloading it to the PC and once again after uploading it to the Vax again. I am certain you will find some differences. You will need to use a RMS-attribute-modifying utility like Joe Meadows's very fine FILE utility to modify the RMS attributes such that VMS will find them palatable. Alternatively, you could use VMSHEX and VMSDEH (available from Columbia) which produce an ASCII hex file for transfer and which preserve RMS file attributes. Incidentally, I'm sure you'll get a flood of messages in this newsgroup telling you to get C-Kermit Version 5A(190) for Vax/VMS and Ms-Kermit Version 3.14 (especially the former); they are right; thruput with C-Kermit for Vax/VMS is astoundingly greater than that of old Bliss-32 Kermit (I still use both occasionally). Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: interesting from OMEN Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:28:31 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb7.100929.40873@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) writes: >> Well, I found a file called knewstru.zip on a BBS that discussed the kermit >> news article that claims faster transfers than zmodem. It surely attacks this >> claim and find it based with pretty interesting facts. If any of you are >> interested in reading this article (complete with gif pictures) read on. You >> can ftp to ftp.primenet.com and log in as anonymous. Once here, cd to >> /users/j/jbishop and get the file knewstru.zip (in binary mode). >> >> Jeff >------- > That item again? Jeff, that is a pretty shoddy thing, rather short >on facts, which Chuck put out last summer. I hope you can a) read carefully >the material from Columbia too, and b) run your own tests. > Joe D. > > No, Joe, it's an updated version that explains the behavior of Columbia University's Stochastic Telepathic Kermit Hyperprotocol, something Columbia has not been able to do. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 15:35:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!usceast!usceast!not-for-mail From: woo@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (Seung-Chul Woo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 18 Feb 1995 10:35:21 -0500 Organization: University of South Carolina - Columbia - Computer Science Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: poplar.cs.scarolina.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello netters, I hope this is a right place to post. I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. Thank you. - Seungchul Woo E-Mail: woo@cs.scarolina.edu From postmaster@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 18:53:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:57:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 18 Feb 1995 18:53:05 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >> with a 1000 bytes packet. >--------------- > MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >what it should be? > Joe D. >-------------- [...] Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming from the speaker. It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to try it? BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering SLIP mode. -- Armand Zakarian From postmaster@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 21:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:58:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!nntp.cac.washington.edu!trieste.stat.washington.edu!neal From: neal@trieste.stat.washington.edu (Phil Neal) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 14 Feb 1995 21:43:59 GMT Organization: U. Washington Dept. of Statistics Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trieste.stat.washington.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear kermit people, Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? Thanks, Phil neal@stat.washington.edu -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Phil Neal, Systems Programmer, Statistics Department GN-22 University of Washington, Seattle, Wa. 98195 USA | 206-685-1627 http://www.stat.washington.edu/phil/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Reading snow is like listening to music. To describe what you've read is like explaining music in writing." --- Smilla. In "Smilla's Sense of Snow" by Peter Hoeg --- From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:42:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:27:45 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!unvax.union.edu!news From: "Mary P. McKnight" Subject: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Sender: news@unvax.union.edu (System PRIVILEGED Account USENET News System) Organization: Union College, Schenectady, NY Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:42:29 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error message: Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 trying name ted Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 Cannot resolve address of host ted However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still running), Kermit works fine. Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep closing it down. Thanks in advance for any help. Mary McKnight Office of Computer Services Union College Schenectady, NY 12308 mcknighm@unvax.union.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 04:07:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 19 Feb 1995 04:07:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu>, Mark Becker wrote: >I'm using Kermit 3.14 to talk to a DEC Alpha running OSF/1 in VT-100 mode via >a serial port at 14.4K baud. My hardware is an 80386/16 running DOS-5. Most >of the times things work well. > >However, Kermit occasionally flips it's mode line on. This is distracting. I >set it off. It comes back on again. I set it off.. it comes back on. > >That mode line does not scroll the full display. So whenever some text pager >sets the mode line on, the cursor gets stuck on that line and all thats seen >are lines flying by in a one-line buffer. > >There don't seem to be any options on 'set mode-line off'. Maybe there should >be something along the lines of 'set kermit-mode-line-off' and permit that >bottom line to scroll with the rest of the display? > -------------- The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status line. So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo material to discover the error there. Joe D. x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 09:48:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:07:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit through Tymenet???? Date: 18 Feb 1995 01:48:02 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3i4foi$j7q@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: TYMNET thruput is 1900 cps Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hoqsj$bfv@solar.sky.net> racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: >Is there an inherent problem with kermit through tymenet (which I'm told >is an X.25 packet switching network)??????? TYMNET is a character-switched network that is compatible with packet-switched networks such as X.25. It is usually used to connect async terminals to async or X.25 hosts, or to connect an X.25 source to an X.25 destination. >I'm getting maximum throughput of 258bytes/sec even though my packet >sizes are set to 1024. I get 921 characters per second from my PC to a UNIX host when I connect to TYMNET at 9600 baud. When going from one X.25 host to another (UNIX to UNIX), I get a transfer rate of 1875 to 1925 characters per second. That is pretty much the max, since TYMNET has a limit of 2000 characters per second and X.25 has some overhead. >Any clues?? ; This is Joe Smith's .kermrc for KERMIT version 5A(190) set file type binary ;For UNIX to AmigaDOS (but not for MS-DOS) set file name literal ;To preserve upper/lower case AmigaDOS file names define alpha set network x.25, set host 3106011111, connect define beta set network x.25, set host 3106022222, connect set block 3 ;Use CRC set window 3 ;Sliding windows - 3 slots set send packet 3000 ;3KB packets set rec packet 3000 set file display fullscreen set control unprefix all ; Disable prefixing of control characters set control prefix 0 1 13 16 17 19 ; ^@ ^A ^M ^P ^Q ^S set control prefix 128 129 141 144 145 147 -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 10:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:29:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!citi2.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI4.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Date: 14 Feb 1995 10:07:15 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi4.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, in a former version of Kermit for DOS there was a feature implemented that did the following: During a normal terminal session Kermit switched automatically into RECEIVE when a certain escape sequence was sent from the remote host. So this escape sequence did the same as if the user pressed the escape character followed by a C and then entered RECEIVE followed by Return and finally issued a CONNECT and hit Return. Now I am using C-Kermit 5.A(190) under VAX-VMS and I would like to implement the same functionality. Is there anybody that has already done this, perhaps on some other platform? Or if someone still has the DOS-version and could send me the relevant piece of code for comparison? Any hints are appreciated. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 03:43:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:41:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 03:43:12 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to this encoding mechanism. Following is an example header: This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 16:35:24. 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. [*BINARY*128] PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ g I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. Thanks for any assistance. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 14 19:16:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 01:39:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Message-Id: <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Date: 15 Feb 95 00:16:16 EST References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 47 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >> Hi There. >> I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >> to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >> On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >> There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >> VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >> how. >> >> Does anyone have any suggestions ? >> Thank you >> Ram Gura > ------------------ > a) SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the transmitting and receiving Kermits. > Kermit-32 must have this stated for transmission and reception. > b) Please, please, replace obsolete Kermit-32 with C Kermit for VMS. > c) MS-DOS Kermit current release is v3.14, so please update that one > too. > All Columbia Kermits are available from kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. Not knowing what type of binary file, I'd warn you that doing a SET FILE TYPE BINARY on both sides may not correctly create the file on VMS. The problem is that Kermit-32 wants to create such a file with VARYING record lengths; if the file in question is an .EXE file or a .OLB file, the result won't be useable (VMS expects these to be fixed-length records of 512 bytes). You are also likely to have problems transferring object (.OBJ) files, because of problems with determining record delimiters when transferring between PC and VAX and back (this operation will obliterate the record boundaries and won't restore them properly). The best approach is to avoid transferring .OBJ files at all, and just transfer .OLB and .EXE files, being sure to SET FILE TYPE FIXED on the VMS side and SET FILE TYPE BINARY on the PC. I'd echo Joe's comment about replacing Kermit-32 with C-Kermit. It's a much better program - much better throughput and many more options, including the ability to transfer .OBJ files between VAXes by using the SET FILE TYPE LABELLED command. (You still can't transfer raw .OBJ files from the VAX to the PC and back - you need to put them in some kind of archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or .EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 15:27:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:19:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: How to send "ctrl-c" inside a C-Kermit script. Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3hpk6s$grr@csgrad.cs.vt.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:27:49 GMT Lines: 32 Sender: helios@netcom18.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu : . : output ADTD xxx xxxx\13 : . : . : input {username:} : output chrisye\13 : . : . : output slip foo.foo.edu ; setup my slip here. : connect : end : : At this point, the slip connection was setup, but I have to type : "ctrl-\c" to get back C-Kermit prompt in order to run "slattach". If I : run "slattach" without get back C-Kermit prompt first, the connection is : droped. : What I want to know, if there is a way let the kemit script to : sent out "ctrl-\c" automaticlly after setuping the slip connection? You can "output" any character with the "\" format, for instance \13 for CTRL-M (carriage return). CTRL-C is \3 (I can't tell whether you want CTRL-C or CTRL-\, which would have a different value, followed by "c"). However, it looks to me as though you are trying to give the command to C-Kermit, not to the distant machine. In that case "output" is not what you want. In fact, I don't think you want to connect at all before you run "slattach". Why not continue the script with "run slattach" and connect later? If you need to wait for a message that the slip connection is ok, you can use "input" the same way you did before sending your username. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:37:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 02:50:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!duq3.cc.duq.edu!FABRY8208 From: FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help i'm kermit retarded Date: 19 Feb 1995 05:37:14 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: duq3.cc.duq.edu Summary: i need kermit assistance...please! X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta learn sometime....thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 05:58:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:19:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: How to resume zmodem ? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:58:39 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > >Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, >when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file >from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is >there a way around this? Get a more complete ZMODEM implementation. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 16:41:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01918 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 03:24:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!shelterw From: shelterw@cuug.ab.ca (Xinnian Li) Subject: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Message-Id: Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:41:22 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, kermit user guru: I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. Any advice and help on this stupid question ? thanks a lot. -- ========================================================= | Xinnian Li | Tel: (403)-279-7662 (O) | | Engineering Group (R&D) | (403)-258-3567 (H) | From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 23:09:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06301 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 05:38:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: rsande@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: RFD: comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Followup-To: news.groups Date: 15 Feb 1995 23:09:29 GMT Lines: 86 Message-Id: <3hu1j9$fr0@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: rsande@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip6-17.fl.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.07 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Followup-To: news.groups Request for Discussion (RFD) Newsgroup : comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra Status : unmoderated Distribution : Worldwide Summary : Discussion and technical collaboration for the JDS MicroProcessing line of HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters including configuration, problem solving techniques, file transfer capabilities, terminal, modem, & printer connection techniques, custom software programming, operating system considerations, and various suggestions for unique mainframe dial-up applications. Proponent : Rick Sande (rsande@ibm.net) This is a formal request for discussion on the creation of an unmoderated newsgroup, comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra This RFD has been posted in accordance with the Guidelines for Newsgroup Creation. The RFD is being posted to the following relevant news groups: news.announce.newgroups news.groups comp.terminals bit.listserv.ibm-main bit.listserv.opers-l comp.protocols.ibm comp.unix.large comp.dcom.lans.misc comp.dcom.lans.token-ring comp.dcom.modems comp.protocols.kermit.misc bit.listserv.ibm7171 Discussion will take place in news.groups CHARTER The comp.sys.dcom.mainframe.hydra newsgroup will be open to discussion of technical aspects and practical usage of the HYDRA 3270 mainframe protocol converters manufactured by JDS MicroProcessing. Specific subjects will include but are not limited to: Modem Configuration for proper dial-up support to mainframe applications Building and exchange of custom terminal definitions amongst members Simultaneous operation of terminal & 328x printer on a single connection (Token ring) Lan to Mainframe connectivity. Utilizing M/F DASD space as a 2nd PC Disk drive with HYDRANET software Hardware trouble shooting and various other "gotchas" System Generation examples for VM/VSE/MVS/MVT VTAM CICS applications. Tech Bulletin information re-posted with permission from JDSM Microcode upgrade & regression procedures Various security considerations for classified mainframe environments Data-routing and connection to other host types (non-ibm-3270) RATIONALE The group comp.dcom.mainframe.hydra is mainly concerned with nuts & bolts discussion on the topic of "getting the most out of your hardware" allowing members to freely exchange suggestions and configuration samples to those less knowledgeable of the product. PROCEDURE After a discussion period of 21 - 30 days, which should take place in the news.groups newsgroup, if there are no overwhelming objections to this proposed new group, there will be a call for votes (CFV) posted to the same groups as this RFD, the voting period will be at least 21 days. If the group passes by receiving 100 more YES votes than NO votes and at least twice as many YES votes as NO votes, the new group will be created. Thank you for your time. Rick Sande rsande@ibm.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 10:47:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Date: 19 Feb 1995 10:47:32 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my main computer. Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:43:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:34:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 19 Feb 1995 07:43:42 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 61 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ;MIXED.CMD setup by prof. Timo Salmi Sun 19-Feb-95 09:34:14 ; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish ; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. ; ; This is needed since the Unix latin1 works differently than ; "advertised". I have no idea why this is the way it is, ; but this works for me, with the documented exception. set terminal bytesize 8-bit set terminal character-set latin1 set translation input on ;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet set translation input \154 \94 ; Show U" as ^ (caret) set translation input \129 \126 ; Show u" as ~ (tilde) set translation input \24 \129 ; Show ascii 24 as u" set translation input \239 \154 ; Show ascii 239 as U" ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set translation input \235 \132 ; Show ascii 235 as a" set translation input \159 \148 ; Show ascii 159 as o" set translation input \238 \134 ; Show ascii 238 as a' set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" set translation input \251 \153 ; Show ascii 251 as O" set translation input \31 \143 ; Show ascii 31 as A' ; Here we have a problem ; ; Alter what is shown for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters. ; Latin1 161 is supposed to be inverted ?, but it is not. ; Latin1 163 is supposed to be pound sterling, but it is not. ; What is more this translation does not work! The output on the ; screen remains unchanged and shows wrong characters. set translation input \161 \168 ; Show dec 161 as inverted ? set translation input \163 \156 ; Show dec 163 as inverted pound sterling ; Keyboard redefinitions for Finnish 8-bit Unix characters set key \132 \235 ; Key a" sends dec 235 set key \148 \159 ; Key o" sends dec 159 set key \134 \238 ; Key a' sends dec 238 set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 set key \153 \251 ; Key O" sends dec 251 set key \143 \31 ; Key A' sends dec 31 ; Keyboard redefinitions for other 8-bit Unix characters set key \129 \252 ; Key U" sends dec 252 set key \154 \220 ; Key u" sends dec 220 set key \168 \161 ; alt-1-6-8 sends dec 161 (works) set key \156 \163 ; alt-1-5-6 sends dec 163 (works) ; -------------------- End of MIXED.CMD --------------------------- All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 13 14:35:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!xx.acs.appstate.edu!rob From: rob@xx.acs.appstate.edu (Rob Norris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 13 Feb 1995 14:35:45 GMT Organization: Appalachian State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3hnqo1$ldf@lester.appstate.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: xx.acs.appstate.edu Keywords: VMS, Kermit, Binary Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tat@actcom.co.il (Ram Gura) writes: >Hi There. >I was trying to transmit binary file from an Open VMS system >to MS DOS system and back to the VMS. >On the VMS , I use Kermit_32, On the MS DOS I use Kermit 3.11 >There are no errors during the transmission, but back at the >VMS system, the file can't function. It probably has changed some >how. >Does anyone have any suggestions ? >Thank you >Ram Gura We had the same problems here. Went to C-Kermit on VMS. No problems now. -- Rob Norris Appalachian State University | (704) 262-6079 Academic Computing Services | rob@acs.appstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 01:41:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 07:57:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!salad From: salad@netcom.com (just me) Subject: Zmodem with Kermit.... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:41:32 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: salad@netcom7.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are using the telnet features of ckermit 5A(190) on several unix platforms to connect to a modem server. I was told that 190 could redirect the I/O so you could use protocols such as zmodem. The problem is how? I assumed you could use the ! shell command, but that doesn't work. Sorry for a newbie question like this, but after going through the faq and other online info, I couldn't find how to do this. Thanks, Alan Narup IDS - Los Angeles salad@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 15 10:47:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11678 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 08:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Message-Id: <1995Feb15.164735.41824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Feb 95 16:47:35 MDT References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu>, "Mary P. McKnight" writes: > I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > message: > > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.45 > trying name ted > Unable to ARP resolve gateway 149.106.1.1 > Cannot reach name server 192.52.218.2 > Cannot resolve address of host ted > > However, if I close down Trumpet Winsock (but with winpkt still > running), Kermit works fine. > > Can someone please explain to me what's going on? I need to have > Winsock running for applications other than Kermit so I can't keep > closing it down. ------------------ Never try to run two protocol stacks for the same protocol over the same board at the same time. We warn of this in the docs and frequently on the net. DOS/Windows is not a nifty multitasking system with a real kernel and embedded TCP/IP stack that apps can share. To run two such stacks side by side you'll need two boards and two IP addresses. Anything less is entirely up to you and not without risk. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 03:27:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:14:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com!pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com!bowman From: bowman@pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com (Brian Bowman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit missing ckucon.c Date: 16 Feb 1995 03:27:38 GMT Organization: Ford Motor Co., Powertrain Electronics Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3hugna$glj@pt9201.ped.pto.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pt9212.ped.pto.ford.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I seem to be missing ckucon.c from my kermit package. Can sombody mail me the latest version of this file so I can finish my compilation. Thanks in advance, Brian Bowman bowman@sys2.ped.pto.ford.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 01:34:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:01:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:34:11 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >> who wants to use the different database. >> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >> >> Nackil >---------- > I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >folks would use it at least part of the time. > Joe D. How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 16:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:16:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How can I get rid of bell sound? Date: 19 Feb 1995 16:58:14 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 7 Message-Id: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:05:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:05:58 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, > upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to > be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying > to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a > reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone > tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or > pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to > this encoding mechanism. > > Following is an example header: > > This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 > 16:35:24. > 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. > [*BINARY*128] > PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ > ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q > %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ > g > > > I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring > the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and > have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. > > Thanks for any assistance. > > Ethan ------------ That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, of PKZIP fame. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:09:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:41:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help i'm kermit retarded Message-Id: <1995Feb19.130922.42188@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:09:22 MDT References: <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6lea$gbr@godot.cc.duq.edu>, FABRY8208@duq3.cc.duq.edu (Fabry Jennifer) writes: > Hi...My name is jen and I'm Kermit illiterate. > Hopefully, some of you nice people can help me. Here's my prob. > > 1.) Someone sent me pictures but I can't view them because they are > in this scrambled character text...I have no clue how to view > them....please help...but keep in mind...I know nothing so take > me thru it in pre-schooler terms...thanks. > > 2.) When i send mail...it tells people it's from Cat Fabry. How > do I change it so it says Jennifer Fabry instead? > > Thanks...Hope you're all not laughing at my stupidity...but ya gotta > learn sometime....thanks. -------- Dear il (oops, Jen), 1. No help because essentially no information. 2. Your mailer creates the name in the mailer header. See your Univ Computer Center admin for assistance on that. 3. Never let another person into your account to "help." If you do then you are a sucker being taken. Change your password NOW, and close off your account to outsiders. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:10:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware req. for MS-KERMIT? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131021.42189@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:10:21 MDT References: <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i77k4$ku4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What are the hardware requirements for Ms-kermit? I need to get a second > computer and I would like to use my c-kermit scripts that I have on my > main computer. Will a 286 do it? > > //Markus --------- An 8088 without a hard drive will do, provided it runs DOS and has enough memory. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:13:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19808 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:13:17 MDT References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: > j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way > to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is > very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem > on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo ------------ Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 07:14:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:42:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How can I get rid of bell sound? Message-Id: <1995Feb19.131453.42192@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 13:14:53 MDT References: <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C370.28AC5993@vms.csd.mu.edu>, 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu writes: > Dear netters: > > I wonder how I can get rid of the annoying bell sounds. > I tried set bell off, it does't work. Thanks. > > > David -------------- Which Kermit, which operating mode? SET BELL OFF does work on MS-DOS Kermit, and for Connect mode you also have the choice of a visual bell (screen flash). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 15:28:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:35:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 15:28:33 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmsb.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters: I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 09:19:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:36:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 09:19:00 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which >would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: >someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus >inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by >beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. > Joe D. Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: 1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? 2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. My hope was that the extra data was not chopped off and lost, but encoded back into the file itself, just as uuencode does. If that was so, it should be possible to do the reverse. Either way, one thing is certain: this mess was indeed the result of a "beginner". I tend to use a more derogatory word :-) Ethan From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 02:15:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 04:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 08:15:13 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: > Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects > automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian > developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through > TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without > exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student > who wants to use the different database. > Can you help me? Thanx in advance. > > Nackil ---------- I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then folks would use it at least part of the time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:25:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:25:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on irix 5.2 ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:25:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3iajaa$4p4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hr86v$4r1@news.u.washington.edu>, Phil Neal wrote: >Has anybody ported kermit to SGI machines running >Irix 5.2 ? If so, can I get the binaries and source ? > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cko190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, which should produce an executable called "wermit", in your case "make irix51ypc". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the softare and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:31:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Need help with Kermit on RISC 6000 Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:31:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3iajla$5ev@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Xinnian Li wrote: >I am using kermit to transfer files between a RISC 6000 and >a PC home computer. There is no trouble for downloading and >uploading text files. However, problems occur when I intend >to tranfer binary files (.zip, .exe, etc). I did set file >type as binary on RISC for this type of transfers. > >Any advice and help on this stupid question ? > Read the documentation? For those who prefer not to read the documentation, the following short excerpt is reproduced from the FAQ (kermit.columbia.edu:kermit/FAQ.TXT): Kermit transfers files in text mode by default. This means that record formats and character sets are likely to be converted. You can tell Kermit to skip all conversions and transfer the file literally, as-is, with the command: SET FILE TYPE BINARY Normally, it is sufficient to give this command to the FILE SENDER before giving it the SEND command. But there are some exceptions to this rule: 1. One or both Kermits do not support "Attribute packets" (or they are disabled). This is true of many of the commercial and shareware Kermit implementations. Cure: tell BOTH Kermits to use binary mode. 2. You are using some combination of C-Kermit 5A(190) or later, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later, or IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1 or later in client server mode. In this case, it is the CLIENT's file type setting, rather than the file sender's, that prevails. Cure: tell the CLIENT to SET FILE TYPE BINARY, or to be extra sure, tell them both. 3. You are sending the file from VMS C-Kermit, which is unique among Kermit programs in its ability to automatically switch between text and binary mode based on the file's characteristics. VMS C-Kermit ignores SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT when sending files, and instead uses binary mode if the file's record format is Fixed, and text mode otherwise. However, some binary files, notably VMS ZIP files, are stored using a "text-style" record format (Stream_LF), so Kermit sends them in text mode. You can override this by telling it to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 17:59:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:43:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 16 Feb 1995 17:59:04 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3i03p8$6s0@news1.halcyon.com> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: > I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I get the scan code >of my keyboard? Three solutions: 1: by using "^]^]" you can have Kermit send the escape character on through so that Telnet can see it; 2: use "set escape 28" to change the Kermit escape character to "^\"; 3: use telnet's "set escape" command. To get the scan code of a key on your keyboard, use Kermit's "show key" command. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 17:55:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:55:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 20 Feb 1995 17:55:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ial2r$806@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that >you excape back to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever >telnet's escape characters are also ^]. Any one know hoe >to resovle this conflict? > Anyone who has read the manual, or even who has looked at the popup help screen for ^] should be able to help you. Ctrl-] (may differ on non-USA keyboards; e.g. on German keyboards it is Strg-+) is Kermit's escape character, which is, indeed, just like UNIX telnet's. And, like UNIX telnet, Kermit will send one copy of its escape character if you type two of them in a row. For further details, listen Guy Steele's hit song, "Ctrl-Uparrow C"... > Also how can I get the scan code of my keyboard? > You mean, how can you find out the scan code of a particular key? At the MS-Kermit prompt, type "show key" and then press the desired key or key combination. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:00:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:00:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:00:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de>, Thomas Rusch wrote: >Auf welcher FTP-Site finde ich die C-Quelle fur Kermit fur SUN/OS > Die FTP-Site fuer C-Kermit und alle andere Kermit-Software ist: kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:06:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09482 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:06:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: where to put 'ATL0' to lower volumn in kermit? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:06:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3ialmf$97p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i543p$cu9@poplar.cs.scarolina.edu>, Seung-Chul Woo wrote: >I hope this is a right place to post. >I want to mute my modem speaker, I can not find a proper place to >put 'ATL0' to in .kermrc file. >I've tried several commands in 'set dial something' in vain. > Try this: set dial dial-command ATL0DT%s\{13} This will turn off your modem's speaker every time you give a DIAL command. Or if you just want to send the command to your modem at some particular time, e.g. before dialing: output ATL0\13 etc. There are many variations on this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 18:11:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for SUN/OS ? Date: 20 Feb 1995 18:11:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3iam0q$9s8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i2624F4cp@uni-erlangen.de> <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ialbo$8kt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >... >Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/f/cku190.tar.Z. > Oops: Sie koennen die C-Quelle fuer C-Kermit in kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z. ^^^^^^^^ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:00:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:45:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:44:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:00:17 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >> this encoding mechanism. >> >> Following is an example header: >> >> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >> 16:35:24. >> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >> [*BINARY*128] >> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >> g >> >> >> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >> >> Thanks for any assistance. >> >> Ethan >------------ > That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >of PKZIP fame. > Joe D. It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without persmission: >The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >though. Ethan From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 06:24:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:53:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: jaltman@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit for os/2..SLIP? Date: 17 Feb 1995 06:24:19 GMT Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3i1fej$151o@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> References: <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com> Reply-To: jaltman@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip36-148.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3hqtj4$g8c@news2.delphi.com>, BUSHEYA@news.delphi.com (BUSHEYA@DELPHI.COM) writes: >Heeeelllpp! I just got a slip connection to my university's VAX via a >data link thru a annex server.... I thought C-kermit could provide a SLIP >connection..... Can it? C-Kermit cannot provide a SLIP connection. For a SLIP connection you need something like WARP's Internet Access Kit. After you have a working SLIP connection, C-Kermit for OS/2 will provide you with a very solid Telnet client which can be used over any TCP/IP network. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 17 04:04:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl12.crl.com!not-for-mail From: dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Printing from scripts Date: 16 Feb 1995 20:04:47 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl12.crl.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one print from within a script? Thanks, David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Anaheim, CA From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:39:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:39:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:39:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3ib97i$ag2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: ..... >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G > >It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has >happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit >characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else >sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 >bit files over a 7 bit connection. > Yes, but the receiving Kermit program -- if it is implements the Kermit protocol correctly -- puts the data back the way it was originally before writing it to the file. >It might not have anything to do >with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the >question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without >permission: >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' Actually, the "#" character is normally used for this. The user would have to go out of her way to change the control prefix in order to achieve this effect. >>...and ' means add X'80'. Normally the "&" character is used for this. Again, the user would have to take extraordinary measures to change this. >>There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and >>there may be repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for >>storing files, though. It wasn't meant to be. If the complaint is that the file was transferred with "kermit" and the results were as shown above, then the most likely explanation is that a faulty Kermit implementation was used on one or both ends. A less likely explanation is that (a) a faulty implementation was used on only one end AND (b) the user changed all sorts of defaults in order to get the file stored in the manner it was. A third explanation is that the file really does not look the way we see it above at all, but the excerpt above is the result of "typing" a binary file on a computer whose terminal (console) driver displays control characters in ^X notation and 8-bit characters in ~X notation. Hmmm, sort of like MS-DOS Kermit's SET DEBUG SESSION display... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 02:20:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 19:34:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!night.primate.wisc.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 02:20:36 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >> In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>>> who wants to use the different database. >>>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>>> >>>> Nackil >>>---------- >>> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>>folks would use it at least part of the time. >>> Joe D. >> >> How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and >> returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on >> the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. >> >> Erik >-------------- > Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. > Poorly written library access software is the problem, and >that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info >retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. > Joe D. I was misunderstood. If the connections are being made by Kermit then define a key to be the escape key inside the driving Kermit script. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the application though. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 09:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20553 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:40:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!EU.net!dkuug!eunet.no!nuug!telepost.no!oslonett.no!oslonett.no!not-for-mail From: sven@OSLONETT.NO (Sven Andreassen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 17 Feb 1995 10:16:09 +0100 Organization: Oslonett public access Lines: 28 Message-Id: References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hasle.oslonett.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb14.073049.41656@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > Does anyone know if > > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > ---------------- > Why do people keep trying these things, sigh. Well, maybe they actually need to make Kermit work with newer versions of Windows.... I had a similar question, (conserning WFW 3.11), and got help from this conference. I guess this question will pop up from time to time until Kermit becomes winsock-compatible one way or another. TCP/IP has grown to be the major Network protocol, and most TCP/IP applications made theese days are winsock-compatible. If the Kermit developers wants to keep its strong position in PC-LAN communication, I belive they have to make their product winsock-compatible. When that is said, I will add that thousands of people ae greatful that Kermit is made available as freeware. If the developing costs are too high to make a windows version of Kermit, making newer versions shareware should cover those costs. Best regards. Sven Andreassen. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 21 01:45:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 20:58:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 20 Feb 1995 19:45:25 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error >% message: > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux >last time I looked.) There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original files together. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 21:16:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:08:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!ulowell.uml.edu!neptune.cs.uml.edu!mbecker From: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Feb 1995 21:16:57 GMT Organization: UMass-Lowell Computer Science Lines: 33 Sender: mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: neptune.cs.uml.edu Keywords: kermit_3.14 mode_line. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >-------------- > The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >line. I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? > So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo > material to discover the error there. I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > Joe D. > Thanks for your time - Mark +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ | Mark Becker | #include | +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 14:24:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 22:45:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: How to resume zmodem ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:24:37 GMT Lines: 8 Sender: jzero@netcom3.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sometimes a zmodem transfer will stall for some reason. Under kermit, when I restart the zmodem transfer, it starts retransmitting the file from the very beginning instead of continuing where it stopped. Is there a way around this? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 02:03:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:23:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 02:03:44 GMT Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: >> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way >> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is >> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem >> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo >------------ > Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory >kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary mode for the transfer! The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:36:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:36:31 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a block > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE VT102") ------------- You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code Page in the display adapter. These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:39:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:28:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hangup the connection automatically? Message-Id: <1995Feb17.093953.42006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:39:53 MDT References: <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu> <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: > In article <1995Feb16.081514.41886@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3huanr$8gh@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, nksung@fiat.gslis.utexas.edu (Nackil Sung) writes: >>> Is it possible to set up Kermit so that a session disconnects >>> automatically after a certain period of idle time? I'm a librarian >>> developing an interface which access remote bibliographic databases through >>> TCP/IP. Students usually search a particular database and leave without >>> exiting completely. This usually causes confusion for the next student >>> who wants to use the different database. >>> Can you help me? Thanx in advance. >>> >>> Nackil >>---------- >> I'm sorry but an inactivity timer is not in MS-DOS Kermit. Your >>larger host might be able to provide that function, however. After using >>a few library computer programs I can understand why some people will >>leave with the system fully active. Locally the library public machines >>have no exit from their canned menu system, and the frontend of some >>of the info retrieval services seem to have no exit either. So we give >>up and run away. Perhaps if your system had an obvious exit choice then >>folks would use it at least part of the time. >> Joe D. > > How about a hot key macro that exits the current scenario and > returns to the main menu? Then label the stations (either on > the terminal or on the computer display) what the hot key is. > > Erik -------------- Hot keys imply TSRs and other bad things. Poorly written library access software is the problem, and that problem is widely spread. It's rather embarassing that the info retrieval folks lag sooo far behind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 03:41:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 00:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Printing from scripts Message-Id: <1995Feb17.094101.42007@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 09:41:01 MDT References: <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i178v$9nb@crl12.crl.com>, dgrisner@crl.com (David G. Risner) writes: > How does one print from within a script? -------------- Print what? RUN COPY filename PRN works, of course. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 19:03:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 01:34:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: 17 Feb 1995 19:03:34 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx2.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: % I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru % Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any % problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error % message: You should read the documentation that comes with Kermit in the networks subdirectory. Basically, Kermit won't work over the same stack as Trumpet Winsock at the same time. However, we have had good results running the two over pktmux, but it's a bit hairy and I'm sometimes amazed that it works at all. You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great manual. (Its home si e was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux last time I looked.) Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk For PGP Public Key: finger leilabd@solx1.central.susx.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 22:27:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:17:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!zebu.heurikon.com!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS Kermit and ICMPs Date: 17 Feb 1995 22:27:28 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged with a 1000 bytes packet. Is this supposed to work? Just curious. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 18:49:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:54:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!vms.csd.mu.edu!5603LIUL From: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 18:49:53 GMT Organization: Marquette University - Computer Services Lines: 14 Message-Id: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Reply-To: 5603liul@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: vmse.csd.mu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear netters: I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great communication software to use. But I have a little problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from my host machine, my screen will be full of junk characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. How should I setup my kermit to do the hangup? Thanks. David From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:19:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:20:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to hangup properly? Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:19:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3idecs$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <0098C512.167BE437@vms.csd.mu.edu>, <5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu> wrote: >I use MS-kermit to dial out. MS-kermit is a great >communication software to use. But I have a little >problem with my setup. Each time, when I logout from >my host machine, my screen will be full of junk >characters. I guess I didn't hangup properly. > On the contrary, it sounds as if you did hang up properly. The burst of junk is typical behavior from modems when the connection is hung up from the other end, which is usually what happens when you log out from the remote host or service. In MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, you can also "set carrier on", which should have the effect of popping you back to the MS-Kermit> prompt as soon as carrier drops. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:46:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26673 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:46:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should > respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). > Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged > with a 1000 bytes packet. > > Is this supposed to work? Just curious. > -- > Armand Zakarian --------------- MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite what it should be? Joe D. -------------- $ multinet ping /data=1000 jrd.usu.edu PING JRD.USU.EDU (129.123.1.45): 1000 data bytes 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=0 time=11 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=1 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=2 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=3 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=4 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=5 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=6 time=7 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=7 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=8 time=6 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=9 time=5 ms 1008 bytes from 129.123.1.45: icmp_seq=10 time=5 ms - Cancel - ----JRD.USU.EDU PING Statistics---- 11 packets transmitted, 11 packets received, 0% packet loss round-trip (ms) min/avg/max = 5/6/11 From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 17 15:52:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:13:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi Emulation and MSK! PLEASE HELP!! PLEASE :) Message-Id: <1995Feb17.215202.42092@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Feb 95 21:52:02 MDT References: <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu> <1995Feb17.093632.42004@cc.usu.edu> <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 61 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i372u$mk8@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: > : In article <3i0qgo$3bb@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@serss0.fiu.edu > (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > : > > : > > : > -- > : > Hi Great Kermit Guru's! I need some help, with what might be a bit simple > : > for you great wise ones! (oh, hail the great kermit guru's! :) > : > > : > I have found that kermit supports VT102 remote printing under ANSI. > : > However, the online program I am TELNETing to with kermit asks the remote > : > caller (aka Kermit) if it is VT102. If I set the term to VT102 the > : > program detects that it is an I am able to use it with remote printing but > : > I don't receive the correct ANSI characters. (aka where I should get a > block > : > i get a U with two dots above it, etc). However, if I set term to ANSI I > : > get the right characters (aka blocks when im suppose to get blocks and > : > lines when i should get lines) but the program doesn't send the remote > : > print codes because it thinks I am a standard ANSI terminal with no > : > support for VT102 codes. The problem I face is I need to be able to > : > either see the proper ANSI characters in VT102 or I need to be able to > : > lie to the Online program and tell it I am in VT102 when Im really in > : > ANSI. I did see the SET Telnet Term-type and tryed setting it to VT102 > : > but it didnt work. (perhaps i didnt do it right "SET TELNET TERM-TYPE > VT102") > : ------------- > : You are twisting the wrong knob. What the other end is doing is > : sending IBM PC Code Page glyphs yet you have the terminal emulation character > : set of Latin1. SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT to go to the currently active Code > : Page in the display adapter. > : These matters are explained in the user's manual, the book "Using > : MS-DOS Kermit", details on the MSK Help screen. > : Joe D. > > -- > No, Unfortunatly, that isn't it. But it was close. I did read the Using > Ms-dos Kermit and that was the first (ok the third) thing I tried. I'm still > getting the wrong characters. But instead of U's with two dots Im getting > triangles and upside down U's and other neat (ok not so neat > characters)..I checked the code page on my PC and it is set to 437 and I > checked the code page on the PC running the online program it is also 437. > > > Any other suggestions? > > Please help :) ----------- Ok, I have not the slightest idea of what the host is sending. One more guess then two suggestions. The guess is the host is sending bytes with the high bit set to a 7-bit terminal kind, and the high bits get lost (yielding funny stuff from the first 32 bytes in the PC display adapter Code Page). The suggestions are: Use a VT320 emulation, and if that does not work for you then Send me a session log with come added commentary on what the screen ought to look like in places. Please uuencode because it's a binary file, and send directly to me at jrd@cc.usu.edu. Details about your end of interest would be useful too (what terminal kind during the log, MSK version number, anything else you think is helpful). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 16:18:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10805 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:08:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using MS kermit with Open VMS kermit Date: 18 Feb 1995 08:18:29 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3i56kl$28k@pacifier.com> References: <1995Feb13.085147.41528@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb15.001617.7251@ais.com>, wrote: > >archive, either .OLB or .ZIP, first). If you are transferring .OLB or >.EXE files, be sure to use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE on the VAX end - C-Kermit >doesn't have SET FILE TYPE FIXED and this is the closest equivalent. > I beg to differ. On C-Kermit for Vax/VMS systems, a SET FILE TYPE BINARY command produces fixed-length-record files, just as a SET FILE TYPE FIXED does in Kermit-32. Furthermore, the default record-length for the fixed-length records produced by binary mode in C-Kermit is 512 bytes as it is for type "FIXED" in Kermit32. This is what VMS expects for .EXE files. One thing I neglected to point out in my earlier post was kindly pointed out by another gentleman: Kermit-32's BINARY mode produces variable-length-record files and one must use a program like VAR2FIX (and perhaps then Joe Meadows's FILE utility) to produce files acceptable to VMS. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 17:20:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!lbliao From: lbliao@alumni.caltech.edu (lbliao) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AUTOMATING KERMIT DOWNLOADING AND UPLOADING DURING NIGHT Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:20:06 GMT Organization: California Institute of Technology, Alumni Association Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3i5a86$l81@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netters, I have an account that only has a quota of 1Meg. During the day I download files into various directories in a directory structure. During the night I want to write an automated script that will move various files to various directories. In short I am lookig for script or looking for kermit commands and example scripts that can do that. I also have a Z-modem. zs -y allows transfer w/o going to the PC's zmodem and manually down-loading. Please tell me how to do this. Lily Liao From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 22 01:44:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 21 Feb 1995 19:44:17 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 18 10:25:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:02:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Feb 95 16:25:54 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: > In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>--------------- >> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>what it should be? >> Joe D. >>-------------- > [...] > > Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and > P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte > packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming > from the speaker. > > It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware > is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to > try it? > > BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in > SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size > packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering > SLIP mode. -------------------- The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can clobber an existing driver. Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:41:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:06:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!OzEmail!bprior From: bprior@ozemail.com.au (Bruce Prior) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: AS/400 to Unix Dialup File Transfer Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:41:34 GMT Organization: OzEmail Pty Ltd - Australia Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ib9bf$ci7@oznet03.ozemail.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: shell01.ozemail.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ Article crossposted from comp.protocols.ibm ] [ Author was Bruce Prior ] [ Posted on 19 Feb 1995 23:40:06 GMT ] Can anyone please let me know of a cheap and simple way of implementing dialup file transfer from an AS/400 to an AT&T GIS Unix system. The central Unix box does NOT have SNA, APPC, LU6.2, etc, etc, but DOES have Kermit, FTP (via SLIP/PPP terminal server), X.400, SNMP, UUCP, etc. The AS/400 systems do NOT have a terminal server or a router, but some have attached PCs. I know that AS/400 now comes with TCP/IP, and I also know that the IBM implementation does not come with SLIP or PPP. I also know that Kermit is not available for AS/400. Can someone set me straight on this? The solution offered must be inexpensive (ie. less than say US $1000 per site over 5 sites.) Please reply to the email address below. Thanks in Advance, Paul Leopardi for Bruce Prior and Fergus Ryder paull@sydney.dialix.oz.au TIAS PO Box 387 Bondi Jn NSW 2022 Australia Ph: +61-2-353-1000 Fax: +61-2-353-1009 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:45:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:17:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: C-kermit Linux bug in thermometer Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 04:45:39 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have run C-Kermit 5A (190) from several different versions of Linux, and have found an annoying bug. When I do file transfers using the full screen gauge everything works fine until the transfers are done then the screen scrolling locks up. I can ^Z out of kermit and run "reset" to get the vidio back to normal but with things over-writing each other at the bottom of the screen it is hard to see what I am doing :-) . My TERM is set to "console" and I don't have any terminals hooked to the machine to test other types. Thanx! =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*******************=========================*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= bscott@europa.com * It's always something! * Windoze95..96..97..98... | -Gilda Radner | ...Coming Real Soon Now. Linux ==>> :-) * * -LemmingWare inc. [tm] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 01:40:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:41:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sliding windows - only one is used? Date: 18 Feb 1995 17:40:00 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3i67hg$a0d@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: Sender sees 1.5 window slots in use, receiver sees 1 when going is good. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3hn07m$4dl@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14, PL3 on my PC, talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on the >remote Sun. When I start MSK, I load the FAST macro to get maximum thruput. >Transfer of data is pretty fast, except that I never see more than one window >used out of the three. >Is this a bug, a feature, or am I doing something wrong? It means that everything is working properly. I have used kermit on a networks where the round-trip delay was 3/4th of the amount of time required to send a 960 byte packet at 9600 baud. Watching the lights I saw the following: 1) RD light on solid for 1.0 seconds. 2) SD light blips immediately after end of packet as ACK is sent. 3) Both lights out for 0.75 seconds as ACK wends it way through network, eventually getting to the remote host, which immediately sends next packet, and that packet takes a significant amount of time to make its way all the way to my end. The delay through the network was causing the thruput to be pretty bad. Switching to 3000 byte packets helped, but not by much. Without sliding windows (or with window slots set to 1), kermit was still operating in half-duplex mode. Then I switched to a version of kermit that handled sliding windows. Setting the number of window slots to be anything above 1 made all the difference. The receiving end saw a continuous stream of packets; the RD light was on solid. It reported only 1 window slot in use because all the incoming packets had good checksums; it did not have to buffer up any partial or out-of-order packets. The sending end saw 1.75 window slots in use. That is, it sent out the first packet, and because sliding windows were in use, started sending out the second packet even though the ACK for the first packet had not arrived yet. About three quarters of the way through the second packet was when the ACK did arrive. When kermit got ready to send the third packet, it saw that the first packet had been ACKed, the only one packet was outstanding waiting for its ACK, and the window size was big enough to allow it to send out another one. If I were to try to run kermit between a machine in Europe and one in the US, I would expect to see 3 or more window slots in use, as reported by the sending kermit. As long as the packets all arrived with good checksums, the receiving kermit should say that it had only one window slot in use. Summary: Setting the number of window slots to be greater than 1 at both ends makes a big difference in transfer speed. You should expect the receiving kermit to report that only 1 of the window slots was actually used. -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 18:44:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 05:59:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!serra.unipi.it!sirio.cineca.it!gopher From: TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 19 Feb 1995 18:44:02 GMT Organization: UNIVERSITY OF UDINE (ITALY) - COMPUTER CENTER Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: uduniv.cc.uniud.it X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 20:19:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!zippo.uwasa.fi!uwasa.fi!ts From: ts@uwasa.fi (Timo Salmi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 21 Feb 1995 20:19:05 GMT Organization: University of Vaasa Lines: 34 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: uwasa.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) writes: :Timo Salmi wrote: :>set terminal bytesize 8-bit :>set terminal character-set latin1 : :These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you :could elaborate your extra translations? Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Likewise, have you actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that connection? :Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For :example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and :then you want to see D when you get control code 30: : :>set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 :>set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" : :I am very interested to know why you need those translations. Yes. So am I. SO AM I!!! I am a bit frustrated of hearing how it should work, but no one having set up the new Finnish convention being able to demonstrate it work over the said conditions in actual practice. All the best, Timo .................................................................. Prof. Timo Salmi Co-moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce Moderating at garbo.uwasa.fi anonymous FTP archives 193.166.120.5 Department of Accounting and Business Finance; University of Vaasa Internet: ts@uwasa.fi BBS +(358)-61-3170972; FIN-65101, Finland From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 23:32:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:53:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!simtel!vtc.tacom.army.mil!news1.oakland.edu!rcsuna.gmr.com!hobbes.tad.eds.com!maverick.tad.eds.com!news-admin@tad.eds.com From: rlemire@csd.can.eds.com (Robert Lemire) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ioctl causes side affects with hp-ux x29server Date: 20 Feb 1995 23:32:43 GMT Organization: EDS of Canada Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ib8qr$2qe@maverick.tad.eds.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: boswg09.mtl.can.eds.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use kermit to transfer files from PC to hp-ux using the x.25 network. When the PC accesses hp-ux it instructs kermit to enter server mode. It is at this point that kermit issues ioctl() calls which has the affect of generating a command to the PAD. Set PAD parameter 3 to 127, forward packets on ALL characters. We would like to keep our setting of 2, which forwards only on reception of . The x.25 support is provide by hp. I have been told this is generated by the command "stty -icanon". I do not know which ioctl() appears to be generating this. 1) I would like to know which ioctl() call is generating this? We have traced it from the x.25 side and it appears to be the second or third TCSETA ioctl() call. 2) I am trying to test this theory out in a little C test program ( get pty, call ioctl ) but cannot get results since I have not programmed down to the unix device level. A little skeleton program would be very appreciated. thanks a million... From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 09:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12138 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 09:26:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 19 Feb 1995 01:59:53 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings to the Kermit community. I am seeking advice regarding accessing a UNIX (FreeBSD specifically) system from an IBM 3278 system via a telnet-type connection. I know virtually nothing of the logistics regarding this type of connection but I _am_ aware of the problems of full-screen buffering vs. character-at-a-time common to IBM <-> other-system connections. Does there exist a Kermit flavor for the IBM which can assist in connecting? Pointers to a relevant Kermit and document(s) would be most appreciated. Thank you. Reply here or via email to Signed, Another Happy MSKermit User :-) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:17:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00861 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:50:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:17:48 MDT References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? Yes, it's status line. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? No, the status line is never part of the rest of the screen. May I direct you to cryptic doc file MSVIBM.VT, copy in kermit/a on watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Compare what the host sends (LOG SESSION) with that doc. Joe D. >> So I think you may have to dig into your host's termcap/terminfo >> material to discover the error there. > > I did try setting up a TERMCAP environment variable (the troublesome machine > is a dual Alpha running OSF/1) but not all software seems to acknowledge that. > > Before I dig deeper into things (like terminfo and /etc/termcap and whatever > else I have to fix for this), I'd like to know about (a) and (b) above. > >> Joe D. >> > > Thanks for your time - > > Mark > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ > | Mark Becker | #include | > +----------------------------------------+--------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 11:23:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19349 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:51:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!s-cwis.unomaha.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 17:23:19 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >>In article <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: >>> Some time ago I downloaded several .zip files from an ftp site that, >>> upon examination, were in some sort of modified format. It seemed to >>> be something akin to uuencode. I posted to several newsgroups trying >>> to find out how to convert these files back to normal, and received a >>> reply indicating that the files were in kermit format. Can someone >>> tell me how to convert these files, using either c-kermit or >>> pc-kermit? I have examined the documentation and find no reference to >>> this encoding mechanism. >>> >>> Following is an example header: >>> >>> This file is in BINARY format, created by ROBINTON at 29-JAN-1995 >>> 16:35:24. >>> 155061 bytes. Checksum = 14EE XCRC = 8AFA CRC16 = E51E. >>> [*BINARY*128] >>> PK^C^D^T`^B`^H`^!~+w^]~G?)i^=;``%T~ >>> ``^H```COCO.DOC~,^={s^ZK%V~g}D~p^]2~X%I~6t^G >>> !^I~I~>~6z{~"^Q >>> %[~1^Dj@~v~ux^T3^I$~"ZE^U]YH~&~7~w~;o%^WVV^I~]~>~]~3%N~0-AU>O%^~ >>> g >>> >>> >>> I would prefer to do this locally, ie, without actually transferring >>> the files from one place to another. I have already done that, and >>> have copes of the files both on unix and dos boxes. >>> >>> Thanks for any assistance. >>> >>> Ethan >>------------ >> That's nothing to do with Kermit. PK looks rather like Phil Katz, >>of PKZIP fame. >> Joe D. > > > It has the PK header because it was originally a zip file. What has > happened is that all the 8 bit characters were converted to 7 bit > characters, and all the 7 bit characters were left alone. Some else > sent me email suggesting that this is something kermit does to send 8 > bit files over a 7 bit connection. It might not have anything to do > with kermit, but at least 1 person thought it did, so I posted the > question to this group. Here is the email I got, reprinted without > persmission: > >>The file looks to be encoded according to kermit's rules, although kermit >>would normally decode. ^ means exclusive or with X'40' and ' means >>add X'80'. There are special rules for encoding ^ and ' and there may be >>repeat count codes as well. It's not an obvious code for storing files, >>though. > > Ethan ----------------- Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are misunderstood on both ends). I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of trying to get a clean copy of the original file. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:37:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 01:53:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:47:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!forbin.syr.edu!ejrasiel From: ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 20 Feb 1995 01:53:46 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: forbin.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >misunderstood on both ends). > I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >trying to get a clean copy of the original file. > Joe D. Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 18:28:40.10336 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. [*BINARY*128]PK ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ Thanks again... Ethan From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:44:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:45:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:44:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something else... John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 19 15:19:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:03:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Message-Id: <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Feb 95 21:19:51 MDT References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.130559.42187@cc.usu.edu> <3i8bh1$pji@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu>, ejrasiel@forbin.syr.edu (Ethan J. Rasiel) writes: > In article <1995Feb19.172319.42231@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: > >> Those aren't the methods of the Kermit protocol, and there just >>isn't a way of seeing the internal encoding unless the receiving Kermit >>is badly broken (the capabilities negotiation failed and things are >>misunderstood on both ends). >> I don't know what else to suggest, aside from the obvious of >>trying to get a clean copy of the original file. >> Joe D. > > > Hmmm, I guess I'm barking up the wrong tree then. The thing is, files > of this type have popped up occasionally on different ftp sites, > uploaded by different people. So I'm lead to believe that this is not > the result of something going wrong with software, but rather human > error in encoding a file when it was not necessary. In every case I > have tried to contact the uploader, but never have I succeeded. > > If this file wasn't produced by kermit, the question remains: what > did? I've checked the comp.compression faq, the only faq I could > think of that could be relevent. I have also downloaded every decoder > I could fine but none works. I wonder if this might have been > produced on a different architechture than pc entirely. Perhaps > macintosh, or a vax or somesuch. > > Here again is an example header, just in case someone missed it in a > previous post. Any ideas out there before I cash in my chips and go > home? This might be the first time I could not figure out a computer > related question like this, with the resources of the net behind me... > > This file is in BINARY format, created by MORGANIS at 14-FEB-1995 > 18:28:40.10336 > 854 bytes. Checksum = 3524 XCRC = 5291 CRC16 = 32D5. > [*BINARY*128]PK > ^C^D^T`^B`^H`~E^QG^^%T.~=~u%D^Q^A`%R^S^A`^I```DEARJ.EXE^L%[%I?~S%O^_~G?;l3~L~\~W > ~L~M07r~_%V;~g%X~d&W^R^[*~w~\C^HQ~tutH^R%R~&Cn^R~e~*%PJ%R>%Z%D$%U~l~w~{^W~^~o~G~ > c~ux~?%^%O~g~[~Y~7^\R^H``^T^H~cd~3~!~"%M^\`~@^M%<~C^VA^A~`^J%T~Mvw~1%F`%P^L^T`~ > > > Thanks again... > > Ethan ----------- I too tried to think of common compression/wrapper utilities which would lead to this, and failed. But it finally dawned on me what happened: someone MAILed the raw binary file and Email chopped the high bit plus inflicting goodness knows what other damage. It's a common mistake by beginners. Point the people at uuencode programs for use with Email. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:35:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:27:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Z-modem called from C-Kermit [VAX/VMS]?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: fulton.seas.virginia.edu Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:35:04 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I know this is blasphemy! I'm a Kermit fan and I wouldn't be asking this if it wasn't necessary. I need to transfer a file to a site using Procomm Plus for Windows and I've tried with Kermit and it doesn't seem to be working right. It sends about 48% of a 1.2meg file and then starts dying for no apparent reason. I would like to attempt to transfer using Z-modem, but the Z-modem must be called from within Kermit. I know this can be done but I can't seem to locate a version of Z-modem that is designed to be called this way. I'm running on a VAX system running the VMS O/S. If anyone has any suggestions on getting the regular Kermit transfer to work, or on locating the right Z-modem program, let me know. Much thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 16:39:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:25:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!netmbx.de!CNB.CompuNet.DE!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!math.fu-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.dfn.de!gs.dfn.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!news From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and Windows 95 Date: 20 Feb 1995 16:39:26 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3iagju$1sj@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3honer$ld4@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James Klaas wrote: > > I read all the network stuff on how to run Kermit over a network in MS-DOS, > but I really didn't find anything that could help me out. Does anyone know if > I can run Kermit using Windows 95 built in TCP/IP? These are all virutal mode > drivers and as such should be available in all DOS session run under Windows. > I just have no idea what to do to make Kermit find them. Thanks for your help. > According to the following excerpt from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/readme "Ndis3pkt.386 is a Windows VxD (Virtual Device) which provides a packet driver interface on top of NDIS version 3. It allows packet driver applications to be used in a WfWG 3.11 (and, theoretically, Chicago) without loading any real-mode software components. Ndis3pkt ^^^^^^^^ performs all the VM (virtual machine) switching required to insure that the correct application receives packet upcalls, i.e., it includes the functionality of winpkt. In addition, ndis3pkt is willing to deliver the same packet type (and even the same packet) to multiple clients in multiple VMs. An optional tcp multiplexor allow several tcp stacks to exist on the same IP address under certain circumstances." ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt/ndis3pkt.386 might do it. I have not yet installed it (under WfW 3.11), and would be interested myself to hear from somebody who has installed it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 16:16:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit & automatic receive? Message-Id: <1995Feb16.221604.41980@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Feb 95 22:16:04 MDT References: <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu> <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb16.093944.398@gems.vcu.edu>, agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > In article <1995Feb15.101840.41776@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> In article <3hpvcj$53m@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: >>> Hello, >>> > >> -------------- >> UPDATE: THE APC ESCAPE SEQUENCE >> >> The handling of the CSI ? 34 h / l escape sequences by the VT220 and VT320 >> terminal emulators changed between versions 3.12 and 3.13 in order to support >> Hebrew VT220/320/420 terminal emulation, and because DEC software such as >> DECforms expects to use these sequences to control screen-writing direction. > > > Is there a way to disable this? this seems to have broken our Wordperfect > office screens on VMS, the screen write backwards, and we've been going > nuts over this off and on... Our secretaries have been using kermit 3.12, > we switched over to a lan, and they all got 3.13 and we thought it was the > lan. it may be, but for a quickie look, can the disabling be done? --------------- The way to solve the problem (since we can't disable something which is no longer present in the code) is to put the new APC commands into WordPerfect. Please do see the release docs for MSK 3.14 and the WP/VMS docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 16 21:20:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:47:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!hopper.acm.org!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!usenet From: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil (David Perry) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 16 Feb 1995 21:20:05 GMT Organization: Brooks AFB, TX Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Reply-To: perry@indium.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: xenon.brooks.af.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies itself as being a Kermit emulator? We have some programmers who are writing an application and would like to query the connecting terminal to find out if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. Thanks for any help. --- --------------------------------------------------------------------- David W. Perry Computer Sciences Corp. Brooks AFB, TX perry@indium.brooks.af.mil From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 13:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 20 Feb 1995 15:26:09 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 31 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >; Set on the new Finnish 8-bit terminal emulation which the Finnish >; computer centres jointly decided to adopt in Finland. Well, some universities decided to adopt ISO Latin 8859-1. It is a character set for West European languages, not only Finnish. >set terminal bytesize 8-bit >set terminal character-set latin1 These two lines are all you need to use ISO Latin 8859-1. Maybe you could elaborate your extra translations? For example: >;In my view the German u does not belong to the Finnish alphabet No it does not, but it belongs to Latin1 and there are lots of people in Finland who have letter u-umlaut in their name. Why do you want to change it to tilde? Latin1 contains both characters. Your script is full of strange translations without explanation. For example you change the letter D (A-umlaut) to send control code 30 and then you want to see D when you get control code 30: >set key \142 \30 ; Key A" sends dec 30 >set translation input \30 \142 ; Show ascii 30 as A" I am very interested to know why you need those translations. -Petri From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:30:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18011 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:51:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Message-Id: <1995Feb20.213038.42385@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:30:35 MDT References: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu>, michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) writes: > > > -- > > Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show > the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might > you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a > ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 > emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need > kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the > correct characters presently I am setting: > SET TERM VT102 > SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT > > and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that > looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However > all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and > SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. > But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE > I GO BALD.. > > > mike@panther.fiu.edu > or > michaell@solix.fiu.edu ---------- VT100's are 7 bit devices, yet your host is sending an 8-bit code to judge by your description (values are useful here rather than just visual appearance, LOG SESSION to capture the binaries). VT220's and above support 8-bit incoming bytes. Try SET TERM VT320. ESC [ c is a request for device attributes, and the reponses change according to terminal type. It's a DEC function. MS-DOS Kermit responds the same as if it were a VT100. See manual text file msvibm.vt for details on this item. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 15:41:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:52:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS Kermit and ICMPs Message-Id: <1995Feb20.214106.42386@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Feb 95 21:41:06 MDT References: <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu> <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 71 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb18.162554.42132@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3i5fmh$gkr@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >> In article <1995Feb17.214654.42091@cc.usu.edu>, >> Joe Doupnik wrote: >>>In article <3i37sg$qnj@spool.cs.wisc.edu>, zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) writes: >>>> I think the MS Kermit documentation mentions that it should >>>> respond to pings. It doesn't seem to (MS Kermit 3.14 over SLIP). >>>> Not only that, but Kermit reboots the machine when pinged >>>> with a 1000 bytes packet. >>>--------------- >>> MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 running on my desktop (jrd.usu.edu), as >>>pinged (pung?) across the local site via Ethernet. I have no ready >>>way of using SLIP, but I might caution that SLIP's inherent max >>>packet length is only 1000 bytes. Maybe your SLIP driver is not quite >>>what it should be? >>> Joe D. >>>-------------- >> [...] >> >> Happens with both slip8250 from the Kermit distribution and >> P. Tattam's slipper. I just tried pinging with 500 byte >> packets and machine locked hard with terrible sounds coming >> from the speaker. >> >> It's quite possible that something in my configuration/hardware >> is causing this behavior. Anyone else running SLIP care to >> try it? >> >> BTW, are you sure about the 1000 byte packet length limit in >> SLIP. It seems weird they wouldn't support ethernet-size >> packets. And my term server says MTU is 1460 when entering >> SLIP mode. > -------------------- > The odds are improving that your machine has serious configuration > problems. Look for IRQ conflicts and overlap of i/o PORTs. Also ensure > that you do not ask MSK to open a real serial port because that can > clobber an existing driver. > Yes, I am positive about SLIP's MTU. Not only that but 1460 is > not a proper MTU for full sized Ethernet packets; it is a proper largest > MSS (TCP Segment Size) however. For Ethernet MTU is 1500, the max number > of bytes in a DIX/BlueBook/Ethernet_II frame (those afflicted with 802.2 > headers get less). SLIP MTU is 1000 (plus a few bytes best omitted). > SLIP8250 in the Kermit distribution works. I helped write it. > Joe D. -------------- Adding more to my own message, but delayed sufficiently to escape critisism for following up myself... Reproducing your situation here shows no Ping response. That's a bug, a minor and nearly harmless one but still a bug. I'll try to see if I can patch it, but no promises. The bug is SLIP lacks a MAC address (Ethernet address kind of thing) and the code constantly checks for NULL values. Well, one place did but should have checked for SLIP conditions first, and that killed an outgoing ICMP reply for SLIP only. Working around that item here is a test with ping ICMP packets small enough to fit into a SLIP frame: $ ping -s slip.usu.edu 950 PING slip.usu.edu: 950 data bytes 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=0. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=1. time=2160. ms 958 bytes from slip.usu.edu (129.123.240.2): icmp_seq=2. time=2170. ms etc I also did massive file transfers (massive in the sense of time, file sizes only 250KB or so) back and forth with no trouble. This is using SLIP8250.COM shipped with MSK, and using no flow control at all. Thus the crashing and burning you experience is not seen here and again I suggest that your machine's configuration probably needs attention. Also, I strongly recommend keeping MSS's and MTU's small enough to avoid IP fragmentation; it's bad news. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:29:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:28:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!overload.lbl.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 20 21:35:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:55:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!isis.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ansi character emulation in VT102, PLEASE HELP. Date: 20 Feb 1995 21:35:31 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3ib1v3$8m2@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix-gw.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu -- Hi there, I am trying to configure my VT102 emmulation to show the same characters that are shown when I use ANSI emmulation. (Why might you ask). Because the Host software I am connecting to sends out a ESC[c (which i understand is VT102 "What do you support") In VT102 emmulation kermit responds with ESC[6c but in ANSI it does not. I need kermit to respond with the ESC[6c but I also need kermit to display the correct characters presently I am setting: SET TERM VT102 SET TERM CHAR TRANSPARENT and both the host and I are using CP 437. The host sends a character that looks like a block and i get what looks like a upside-down U. However all is fine in ANSI mode. I checked all the settings in SHOW TERM and SHOW COM and set all the VT102 settings to the same as they were in ANSI. But still no avail. I still get the wrong characters..PLEASE HELP BEFORE I GO BALD.. mike@panther.fiu.edu or michaell@solix.fiu.edu Thanks a million and a half. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 15:42:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit identifier ESC sequence? Date: 23 Feb 1995 15:42:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iiack$h5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i0fi5$5dv@xenon.brooks.af.mil>, David Perry wrote: > >This may sound like a strange questions, but with the DOS >version of Kermit (3.12), is there a way for a host to >send an escape sequence to the Kermit emulator such that >Kermit will reply with some kind of string which indentifies >itself as being a Kermit emulator? > No. >We have some programmers who are writing an application and >would like to query the connecting terminal to find out >if it is an emulator, and if so which emulator. > We have added this capability to later versions of Kermit. Version 3.14 is the first one in which it is fully implemented. If: (1) The host sends the ENQ (Ctrl-E) character, AND (2) Kermit has been told to "set terminal answerback on", THEN Kermit will respond with an identification string that looks like this: MS-DOS-KERMIT 314_VT320 where "314" is the version (which will increase over time), "VT320" is the active terminal emulation (which can vary), and is a carriage return. You can also set up Kermit to append additional text to this message, before the CR. For additional details, see the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:05:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:06:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 19:21:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 23 Feb 1995 19:21:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3iin7h$9dj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one > text file and write it to a second file. When reading the first file I > want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that > contains "XXXXX". I can do the part of reading and writing to a new > file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that > contains "XXXXX" > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier releases) has string functions you can use for things like this. In particular, \findex(pattern,string,pos) looks for "pattern" in "string" starting at position "pos". Here's a sample script program: open read oofa.txt if fail stop 1 Can't open input file open write oofa.new if fail stop 1 Can't open output file :LOOP read \%a if fail goto done if > \fsubstr(XXXXX,\%a,1) 0 goto done write file \%a\13\10 goto loop :DONE close read close write MS-DOS Kermit's new string (and other) functions are listed in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, and they are compatible with the ones in C-Kermit 5A, which are documented in the script programming chapter of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 15:24:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:28:29 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!caen!crl.dec.com!crl.dec.com!pa.dec.com!mrnews.mro.dec.com!janix.mfr.dec.com!mfrfms.enet.dec.com!ring From: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Subject: looking for a simple kermit script Message-Id: <1995Feb21.152401.26629@janix.mfr.dec.com> Lines: 15 Sender: news@janix.mfr.dec.com (SDSC USENET News System) Reply-To: ring@mfrfms.enet.dec.com () Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-12 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:24:01 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a simple kermit script doing an automatic binary file transfer from one node to a other node(both unix, once a day).I would like to add the UNIX script in my crontab,for calling a kermit script (dialing, logging in, getting the remote file, logoff and hangup). Any pointers are welcome. P.S.: I'm getting the Kermit "bible" in a few weeks, but I need a solution now. ---------- Georg Ring RING@MFRFMS.enet.dec.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 22:27:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19602 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:56:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Date: 22 Feb 1995 22:27:36 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3igdoo$qeq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Bradley Pick wrote: > > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA Since my first message was very vague I will try again. I'm using MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 to write a script that will log onto one system,capture a file back to my pc and then have it sent to another account for processing. The problem that I have is that after I capture the file back to my pc I have to strip away the bottom lines of the file before I send it out again. There are approx. 4 lines at the end of every capture that I need removed before uploading. The first line starts with ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED. This line and the remaining lines need to be removed. My first plan was to read and write the contents of my captured file to a second file, but stop writing(copying) to the second file when I encountered the line "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED". Is there a way of comparing a defined macro to this string ? Am I on the right track or is there a better solution? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:52:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24281 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10652 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:22:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:11:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:40:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:41:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:41:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 20:41:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3ilg9r$l9t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com>, FIGHT THE POWER wrote: > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). That should be only a minor detail in an overall dismal picture. Your terminal is, in effect, an EBCDIC terminal, and the Unix system simply can't manipulate it effectively in ASCII. > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: That shouldn't be a problem. Your IBM's TELNET program should define an "escape" character, perhaps a back-quote, that tells it to suppress the carriage return on transmission when that character is the last printable character before ENTER. You should look at the documentation. > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Beats me. >Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with >this? No. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 21 19:48:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:59:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!news.ee.vill.edu!shrsys.hslc.org!gormley From: gormley@shrsys.hslc.org Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 21 FEB 95 19:48:47 GMT Organization: MIT PLASMA FUSION CENTER Lines: 22 Message-Id: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: shrsys.hslc.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to change it back to 80 column. I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that point. I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or KERMIT.PIF. I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 enhanced mode. Dennis GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 11:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:58:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:59:20 GMT Message-Id: References: <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > >Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? Get knewstru.zip from ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem and read it. If you don't have FTP the file is also on TeleGodzilla. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 00:36:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01548 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:43:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:36:21 GMT Lines: 39 Sender: taliesin@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: #In article <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: #>In article <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it>, TREVISANELLO@UDUNIV.CC.UNIUD.IT (TREVISANELLO ARRIGO) writes: #>> j'm connected with university trough my modem and telephon line. The only way #>> to exchange file with the university computer ( openVMS) is kermit, that is #>> very slow. How can i make a fast connection? Is it possibile to install zmodem #>> on openVMS and how? Thanks Arrigo #>------------ #> Please obtain and read the list's FAQ, file FAQ.TXT in directory #>kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. #> Joe D. #ZMODEM transfer programs for VMS are available on the FTP site, #TeleGodzilla, and other places as rzsz.tlb. Be sure to use binary #mode for the transfer! #The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited #Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". To be fair, please #download knewstru.zip from the FTP site to get a second opinion. #-- #Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 # Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" #Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ #TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem Sounds like a blatant attempt at commerciality.... get this drek offa my usenet. I'll pay the $35 for the book if I can get free support like Frank and Joe have been providing of late... oh, and does Pro-YAM support X.25, networks, anything like that? (rhetorical question, don't answer) Stay on your panzy bbs'en where you belong, Forsberg. warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy... From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 10:55:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:18:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cc.tut.fi!kvarkki.ee.tut.fi!not-for-mail From: kaukasoi@ee.tut.fi (Kaukasoina Petri) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Latin1 strife for Finnish 8-bit emulation Date: 22 Feb 1995 12:55:07 +0200 Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3if56b$plh@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> References: <3i6sre$cpi@zippo.uwasa.fi> <3ia59h$m9p@kvarkki.ee.tut.fi> <3idhrp$9ov@zippo.uwasa.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kvarkki.ee.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Timo Salmi wrote: >:>set terminal bytesize 8-bit >:>set terminal character-set latin1 > >Have you actually tried just these with MsKermit 3.14 from an MS-DOS >PC over a modem connection to a Unix host? Yes, all the time. Everything works just fine, including the 8 bit characters. > Likewise, have you >actually tried to edit a 8-bit ascii file with MicroEMACS over that >connection? I just tried it. I found uemacs still installed at finsun.csc.fi and it worked ok. Maybe there is something wrong in your uemacs or your unix terminal parameters? -Petri From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 03:07:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 25 Feb 1995 21:07:43 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ior9v$sg3@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about >anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks ^^^^^ >there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews >readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. I didn't make the comment about the multimedia document. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 16:40:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:06:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!nntp.msstate.edu!nntp.memphis.edu!stim.stim.tec.tn.us!ceddlemon Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.104021.1@stim.stim.tec.tn.us> From: ceddlemon@stim.stim.tec.tn.us Date: 22 Feb 95 10:40:21 -0600 References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: tecvax.stim.tec.tn.us Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. ... can't comment on this. > > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. Just a thought here ... use the PIF editor and see if the "initial" or "startup" directory is set to be in the same directory where you have KERMIT installed. I think I had to set mine at C:\KERMIT to get it to startup up in Windows correctly. There may be an environmental variable that needs setting to take care of this on bootup. ie. something like: SET KERMIT=C:\KERMIT Hmmmm ... I'll take a look at the KERMIT books and DOCs this weekend. > > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. I started with this setup ... a bit sluggish at times ... but certainly workable. Hope this helps! Charles ceddlemon@stim.tec.tn.us From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:06:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remove unwanted lines from a file Message-Id: <1995Feb22.100603.42567@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:06:03 MDT References: <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3idoq0$mde@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Hi, > > I am using MS-DOS kermit and I am trying to read the contents of one text file and write it to a second file. > When reading the first file I want to quit writing to the second file when I reach a line that contains "XXXXX". > > I can do the part of reading and writing to a new file, but no the part of stop writing when I reach the line that contains "XXXXX" > > Any help is appreciated > > Thanks > Brad > > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA ---------- Brad, I am having difficulty understanding what you are doing. Could you be much more explicit please? Also, you need to press the Enter key before reaching column 80 because the lines are not wrapped by the world (your News message is largely chopped off on the right side). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 04:14:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:47:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 00:46:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Message-Id: <1995Feb22.101412.42568@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Feb 95 10:14:12 MDT References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Most often this happens when an INPUT or OUTPUT is echoing host text and the host sends ESC [ m to reset visual attributes. Outside of Connect mode (scripts are NOT running in Connect mode) DOS handles the i/o and ANSI.SYS treats the above command as one to switch to 40 column mode. SET INPUT ECHO OFF will stop this echoing. If this is not your problem then I recommend doing a careful inspection of your system's memory management. Please do read the MSK release docs for hints on this matter. > I've followed all the instructions in the 2nd edition of USING MS-KERMIT, but > that only covers up to Windows 3.0. Kermit runs properly if I click on the > MS-DOS icon, change to the Kermit directory, and execute the program at that > point. > > I connect to a VAX using ODI packet drivers; Kermit works fine from the DOS > prompt, or by clicking on the DOS prompt icon and manually executing it, but > not if I execute it from an icon, whether the icon calls KERMIT.EXE or > KERMIT.PIF. Please read the docs accompanying the v3.14 MSK release. This will help you configure the lan driver part. Btw, ODI is not a Packet Driver, despite the natural temptation to use "packet driver" as a blanket term. Lan driver or packet handler are more suitable terms, if we are groping for such. I'll bet you did not run ODIPKT + WINPKT on top of ODI before attempting to run Kermit in Windows. > I'm running a 386 with 4MB RAM. Program Manager says I'm running in 386 > enhanced mode. 4MB? You are really pushing the small-memory limit. The smallest I recommend is 16MB these days, but 8MB will do in a pinch for some folks. Joe D. > Dennis > GORMLEY@HSLC.ORG > > > From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 01:22:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 05:04:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 01:22:01 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: KERMIT ZMODEM FAIRNESS BENCHMARKS References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) writes: >samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >>(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >>> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >>I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >>last night (a sad attempt at a >>multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >>who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >>himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >>discredited! > >In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully >incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life >Benchmarks" is beyond me. What's with the "sad attempt at a multimedia document" comment about anyway? Huber must be stuck in an ivory tower somewhere if he thinks there is a single electronic multimedia document format that all Netnews readers and BBS/FTP foragers can easily access. At least I haven't received any complaints from people who can't print out the text portion. Yes, Joe, the knewstru.zip article at ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem could be considered incomplete. Joe, if you compare it with the earlier version you will note that a number of topics have been left out for the sake of brevity. The bottom line for credibility remains: Kermit developer Frank da Cruz did his benchmarks in secret. I invited Frank da Cruz and all the Kermit partisans to attend the Protocol Shootout so they could assure themselves the tests were fair. The careful reader of knewstru.zip will note that the Shootout was covered by two independent computer periodicals. When it comes to credibility, the question is: Why has Columbia University not offered to repeat the their tests under the public scrutiny that was present at Omen's Protocol Shootout? What is there to hide? -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 10:11:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:42:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit command-line puzzle Message-Id: <1995Feb26.161148.43012@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 16:11:48 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the > customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay > > value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start > kermit this way: > > kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay > > some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. > > I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set > some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? ------------ The MS-DOS Kermit command line is interpreted internally as a macro. That means commas separate the commands within that macro; i.e., commas stand for the Enter key we would have pressed if saying the same commands at the Kermit prompt. Semicolons are either data if not preceeded by whitespace or the start of a line, or are comment introducers if preceeded ... And comments work only in Take files, not in Macros where they are always data. [Quiz on Friday so I hope you all took notes.] Now if you think all this is getting a triffle obscure may I warmly recommend a few days with either Perl or Sendmail, and then a week's vacation to recover. Joe D. You want commas up there. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 07:05:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.130503.42997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 13:05:03 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >>bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >>many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >>the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >>the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. >> In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >>responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. > > Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to > send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay > except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? ------------ Only two that I can think of, given the state of information in the thread so far. 1. Give up the patch file and change the source code yourself. 2. Use some other async comms driver. We designed MS-DOS Kermit to be a coherent communications program rather than a set of drop-in comms drivers. This means we fit the program to the perceived major uses of it, realizing that not everyone can be satisfied. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 02:48:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 02:48:00 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: : I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some : work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of : downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I : be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your friend is seeing. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 21:50:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:37:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!news From: jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Date: 25 Feb 1995 16:50:44 -0500 Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 1 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: bedroom.kevin.net X-Newsreader: (ding) Gnus v0.23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a cancel message from jfb@bedroom.kevin.net (Jason F. McBrayer). From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 14:22:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:13:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!jedi.cis.temple.edu!tito From: tito@jedi.cis.temple.edu (Cyber Flunk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 14:22:40 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jedi.cis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Folks, In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except those concerning control character prefixing. I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) Any help anyone can suggest would be really appreciated! Thanks! Tito From news@columbia.edu Wed Feb 22 18:50:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:48:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using K 3.14 with Windows 3.1 Date: 22 Feb 1995 18:50:51 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ig12b$s3f@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <21FEB95.19484729@shrsys.hslc.org>, gormley@shrsys.hslc.org writes: > I'm trying to use v 3.14 of Kermit, calling it from an icon in MS-Windows 3.1. > Each time I attempt to do so, I get a 40 character screen, and can't seem to > change it back to 80 column. Try deleting every line that contains `kermit' from the dosapp.ini file located in your Windows directory. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:48:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:48:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:48:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ivgkb$b3v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, wrote: >In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. > It may be annoying, but it's not strange. Nowhere is it written that data connections are symmetrical. It is probably the rule, rather than the exception, that data flows easily in one direction (usually towards the terminal) but not in the other (towards the host). Not only for reasons of transparency -- i.e. which control and/or 8-bit characters can pass through unscathed -- but also buffering, flow control, and so on. The minimum set of prefixed control characters in one direction is almost never the same as in the other. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 18:03:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:29:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!daffy!uwvax!trappist.cs.wisc.edu!zakarian From: zakarian@trappist.cs.wisc.edu (Armand Zakarian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Date: 23 Feb 1995 18:03:23 GMT Organization: U of Wisconsin CS Dept Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3iiilb$n03@spool.cs.wisc.edu> References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: trappist.cs.wisc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: [...] >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from [...] > I'm using MSKermit 3.13 at home and the school's unix box is >using C-Kermit 5A(190). The connection at school is made with a 14.4 >modem which is directly connected to a Cisco terminal server which >goes directly onto the ethernet on which the host is located. (Yes, I >am prefixing 30, the escape char. for Cisco terminal servers.) > In the same environment as yours I've found that I also need to prefix ^O and ^V (plus same with 8th bit set) for uploads to work. -- Armand Zakarian From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:57:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:47:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.075733.43059@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:57:33 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). ----------- Supplementing my previous reply... One thing to watch is the sub notebook sized computers. Our experience has been that some vendors remove vital motherboard hardware found in all full PCs (the timer chip in particular) and Kermit cannot run. Such machines are not fully "IBM PC" compatible. Finally, please don't use an internal modem. Use an external modem and avoid much grief from interface design mistakes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:00:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06259 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:21:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Kermit command-line puzzle Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:00:12 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I would like to assign a value to a variable before reading in the customized ini-file when startting MS-Kermit. However: if I start kermit this way: kermit -f inifile def some_var value; stay value is assigned to some_var after reading inifile, and if I start kermit this way: kermit def some_var value; take inifile; stay some_var holds 'value ; take inifile'. I know I could use a DOS environment variable, but I'd prefer to set some_var on the command-line. Any suggestions? -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 02:16:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:52:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Message-Id: <1995Feb28.081612.43163@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 08:16:11 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > Help Once Again! > > I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information > Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 > cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or > \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the > same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and > then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not > understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? ------------ There is an easy solution. First, to remove some confusion about terminology the "Kermit Connect mode escape code" is an ASCII control code which gets one out of Connect mode. It is not necessarily the ASCII code for ESC (decimal 27); the default is Control-], decimal 29. Best to leave SET ESCAPE alone. Numbers represented in backslash form can have more than two digits after the slash, so \271 is decimal 271, not ESC 1. To separate \27 from the following ASCII 1 use notation \{27}1. The curly braces restrict the span of the number-seeker routine which is analyzing the backslash material. Alternatively, \27\31 does the same job in pure numeric form. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 05:53:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Message-Id: <1995Feb23.105335.7299@ais.com> Date: 23 Feb 95 10:53:35 EST References: <3i4qtu$smk@ulowell.uml.edu> <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: usa Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: > In article <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > (Joe R. Doupnik) writes: >>-------------- >> The host is driving the cursor to line 25 explicity, by direct >>addressing. That means the host now owns the status line. The cure is >>to correct the host to not do that, as they say. MSK reports its screen >>size via Telnet options upon request, and that size excludes the status >>line. > > I don't have a VT-100 terminal to compare with. Two questions: > > a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? No. But VT320's and above do have a 25th status line. On VT420's and above, the 25th line can be used as either a status line (logically a separate display window) or as part of the main display window. The VT420 can also be configured with more lines, for example, a 36-line mode, but the more dense displays get rather unreadable because the monitor itself is still the same size as the other low-end VT monitors. > b) If (a) == "Yes" then does that line scroll up with the rest of them if the > cursor is directed there? Or does the cursor 'stick' to the 25th line? On the VT420's and above, if you have selected the 25th line to be part of the main display, then it will scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. If you have selected the 25th line to be a status line, then it will not scroll with the other 24 lines on the display. The normal behavior for the DEC VT-class terminals if a cursor sequence tries to place the cursor on any line beyond the end of the main display window (that is, on the 25th line or below in most cases) is to place the cursor at the same column position on the last line of the window (the 24th line in most cases). As I understand Kermit's behavior, it isn't strictly compatible with the DEC hardware; but there are other terminals out there that do behave similarly to Kermit. I wouldn't be surprised if the problem is that some of the software is doing a terminal type query and setting itself up according to what it receives from that - there's a fair amount of software in the DEC world that does that (even though you're theoretically supposed to take the OS's word for the terminal type). Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 21:11:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:11:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.umkc.edu!torgo.umkc.edu!user From: samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:11:46 -0600 Organization: UMKC Network Operations Lines: 17 Message-Id: References: <3i83hi$omg@sirio.cineca.it> <1995Feb19.131317.42190@cc.usu.edu> <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: torgo.umkc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com>, jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) wrote: > In article caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: > >The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited > >Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". > > Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? > > -- I downloaded and looked at the document last night (a sad attempt at a multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was discredited! From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 15:27:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 12:27:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made a script to start SLIP Date: 27 Feb 1995 07:27:18 -0800 Lines: 258 Message-Id: <3isr0m$gi0@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: A dialin script that gets the IP number and starts slip Keywords: SLIP linux script X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I made a Kermit script that automates dialing into a SLIP server, taking the IP number it assigns to you, starting SLIP, doing the routing commands. It even takes care of disconnecting through killing the slattach process and exiting Kermit. It is for Linux, but it should work on other Unixes with only slight changes (esp. in the slattach and route command syntax). I also made a version for DOS, which I will upload if there is an interest for it. When using the script, make sure you change the site-specific settings, such as DIAL BPA (must match an entry in your dial directory). It asks for your password twice (to guard against typing mistakes) and remembers it for 'retry', this is a macro that restarts the script, needed if you hit a busy signal. Please let me know if you find any flaws, or have other comments. --Roland Kwee ------------------------------------- #!/usr/bin/kermit # slip.bpa Roland Kwee Jan. 12, 1995 # Kermit or shell script or to log in and make a SLIP connection. # Usage: kermit -y slip.bpa, or simply: ./slip.bpa # or, if the .kermrc inits bother you: ./slip.bpa -Y # Tested: Linux, C-Kermit 5A(190)-1994 # Shiva LanRover/8E, version 3.0.1 #################################################################### # COPYRIGHT (C) 1995 BY ROLAND KWEE (ROLANDKWEE@ACM.ORG). # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS RESTRICTED TO THOSE WHO ARE # LEGALLY AUTHORIZED TO RUN KERMIT:) # USE OF THIS SOFTWARE IS AT YOUR OWN RISK! #################################################################### # for debugging: set input echo on # show modem chat log session log # store i/o data to file #log debug log # store i/o data and Kermit internal data to file #set take echo on # show lines of this script #set take error on # terminate script on syntax or execution errors #set macro echo on #set macro error on assign retry take \v(cmdfile) # Note: GOTO won't work here. if = \Flength(\%p) 0 goto ask if equal \%p \%x goto dial :ask assign %d /dev/ttyS2 # device, line assign %s 38400 # bitrate modem<-RS232->computer assign %h bpa8 # host name as in the dialing directory assign %u Roland # Username # %p password # %x scratch # %r remote IP # %l local IP # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. set line \%d # Don't ask password if the line isn't free. if failure stop 1 Serial port is not available. echo About to make a SLIP connection to: \%h echo User: \%u askq \%p Password: askq \%x Re-type the password: if not equal \%p \%x stop 1 You misspelled it. Start over. :dial # Collect the password without echo. Exit if mis-typed. #echo About to make a SLIP connection to system: \%h #echo User: \%u #askq \%p Password: #askq \%x Re-type the password: #if not equal \%p \%x end 1 You misspelled it. Start over. # Initialize my Kermit and modem: #take /usr/kermit/kermrc set modem hayes set carrier auto #run /usr/kermit/localtty \%d # slattach/dip may have left the serial port in raw mode, clean up: run stty sane <\%d set line \%d set speed \%s set dial dial-command atdt%s\13 # Assumes TOUCH-TONE phone line. set dial directory /usr/kermit/dial.dir # Kermit's phone book. set dial display on # ON or OFF at your convenience. #set dial prefix 9 # For dialing from the BPA phone system. set dial init-string AT&FL0M0&H3S7=90S40=124\13 set flow-control rts/cts set dial mnp-enable on set dial timeout 90 set input case ignore set input silence 0 # Just observe the timeouts specified in the script. echo Kermit setup done. # Dial. dial \%h if failure end 1 Could not connect with the remote modem. Try 'retry' later # Clear the input buffer. It is a 256-byte circular buffer. echo Dialing done. clear # Get a prompt. Sometimes you need to press Enter more than once. wait 5 # Wait a little before starting with asking for a shell prompt. echo \13Waiting done.\13 output \13 input 1 Userid: xif failure {echo \13retry1\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry2\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} xif failure {echo \13retry3\13, output \13, input 1 Userid} if failure end 1 No username prompt at remote system. # Username. wait 2 echo \13Waiting done(username)\13 output \%u\13 input 5 Password? if failure end 1 No password prompt at remote system. # Password. #wait 1 echo \13Waiting done(password)\13 output \%p\13 input 5 > if failure end 1 No shell prompt at remote system. Login refused? # Protocol. wait 1 output slip\13 # Remote IP address. input 5 {My address is } if failure end 1 (My address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (My address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%r \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Local IP address. input 5 {Your address is } if failure end 1 (Your address is) clear input-buffer input 5 \, if failure end 1 (Your address is...) assign %x \Feval(\Findex(\44, \v(input))-1) # \44 = comma; length of IP addr assign \%l \Fsubstring(\v(input), 1, \%x) # Guard against programming errors in this script before launching slattach. if < \Flength(\%l) 4 end 1 Invalid local IP if < \Flength(\%r) 4 end 1 Invalid remote IP # Change the line discipline to SLIP. run /sbin/slattach -v -p slip -s \%s \%d & wait 5 # There is no way to find out when slattach is done. # Configure the SLIP interface. run /sbin/ifconfig sl0 \%l pointopoint \%r netmask 255.255.0.0 mtu 1006 # Add to the routing table. run /sbin/route add -net 53.1.0.0 sl0 run /sbin/route add default gw 53.1.1.2 sl0 #run /sbin/route add -net 53.160.0.0 sl0 # Test the new SLIP connection. run ping -c 1 53.1.1.2 # test IP #because of slattach, the INPUT won't work anymore #input 30 {1 packets received} #if not failure echo SLIP CONNECTION WORKS run ping -c 1 brick.bpa.gov # test DNS # Note that now slattach controls the port. Kermit is only needed so that # the lock file isn't stale. # The modem will hangup when both Kermit and Slattach are killed. # The method below uses the SUSPEND command, so it only works with # login shells that have job control. Most Bourne shells don't work. echo +=========================+ echo | Use 'fg' to disconnect. | echo +=========================+ set suspend on suspend # Put Kermit in the background. # Starting point after 'fg'. run killslattach \%d wait 2 run stty sane <\%d exit # This puts Kermit away. ============================ End of Kermit script. ================ This is what the killslattach script should look like: --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- #!/bin/sh # killslattach, to kill the slattach background job # Roland Kwee Jan. 13, 1995 # This script takes one command-line argument: the device file. set -x # Function to parse the first word, containing the PID f(){ PID=$1 } PS=`ps|grep slattach.*$1|grep -v grep` #echo process: $PS f $PS kill -INT $PID # This kills slattach and restores the line mode. # Further normalize the serial line. localtty /dev/ttyS2 stty sane #include #include #include #include void syserr(char *s){ fprintf(stderr, "system error: %s\n", s); exit(-1); } main(int argc, char *argv[]){ int fd; struct termios tbuf; if(argc<2){ fprintf(stderr, "localtty \n"); exit(-1); } fd=open(argv[1], O_RDWR|O_NONBLOCK); if(fd== -1){ fprintf(stderr, "Could not open device: %s\n", argv[1]); exit(-1); } if(tcgetattr(fd, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcgetattr()"); tbuf.c_cflag |= CLOCAL; if(tcsetattr(fd, TCSANOW, &tbuf)== -1) syserr("tcsetattr()"); exit(0); } --------------cut here---------------cut here----------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 13:59:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom13.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ky04@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. My guess is that you have not removed prefixing from any control characters. This is being discussed in some other threads, and it is in the distribution files. I get 1060 cps with the default (all codes prefixed) and close to 1500 with a small set of prefixes. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Feb 23 22:15:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06490 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 14:18:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Re: control prefixing: uploads/downloads??? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University References: <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:15:52 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ii5ng$l1o@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, Cyber Flunk wrote: > > In my efforts to optimize my kermit transfers as per the >recommendations in the faq, I've come across a strange and annoying >phenomenon. The set of control prefix characters which work fine for >downloads do not work for uploads. That is, if I download files from >the school's remote unix host, everything works swell. When I try to >upload, however, the transfer invariably dies on the first packet. >I'm reasonably certain that this is a control character prefix issue >as I can upload without problems using all the same settings except >those concerning control character prefixing. > > Tito Yes, I've had exactly that happen with me, too. Although the Purdue University Computing Center refuses to agree with me, I find that the necessary control prefixing for my configuration is to prefix none of the characters when downloading, but to prefix character 255 when uploading. I don't know what this character means, so I have dubbed it the "send-three-packets-and-die character," because that is the command it seems to send to the terminal server. Unfortunately, the way I solved this problem was by trial and error. I just prefixed all the characters, and then unprefixed them one by one until I got an error. So, this rather tedious solution is the one I suggest. Good luck! Andy From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 07:38:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 22:31:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!morpheus!gam From: Greg Mouning Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and Winsock Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:38:18 -0500 Organization: Yale University Lines: 55 Message-Id: References: <1995Feb15.164229.6472@unvax.union.edu> <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: morpheus.cis.yale.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: gam@morpheus In-Reply-To: <3ibgjl$pjo@Mercury.mcs.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I just downloaded a copy of Kermit for Windows and it works very well. Terminal emulation and file transfers were successful. Finally, a true (native) Windows version of Kermit. According to the manual Wayne Warthen says: The following limitations exist in the current version of Kermit for Windows: * There is no scripting facility yet. * There is no ability to direct terminal output to a printer yet. * File handling options are currently very limited. All received files overlay existing files and files are always downloaded to the current directory. * No session logging capabilities exist yet. Even without these features I find this to be a very good package. Thanks Mr. Warthen, I look forward to your improvements. Greg Mouning gam@yalevm.cis.yale.edu On 20 Feb 1995, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > In article <3i2ru6$4ua@infa.central.susx.ac.uk>, > Leila Burrell-Davis wrote: > >Mary P. McKnight (mcknighm@unvax.union.edu) wrote: > >% I have been attempting to get Kermit 3.14 (using TCP/IP) to work thru > >% Windows 3.1. I can get it to work outside of Windows without any > >% problems. However, from within Windows I get the following error > >% message: > > > >You can get pktmux from SimTel mirrors - it's got a whacking great > >manual. (Its home site was ftp.cc.rl.ac.uk:/pub/pcsupp/network/pktmux > >last time I looked.) > > There is something that looks remarkably like a native windows version > of kermit with both com port and winsock support available from: > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmw080.zip (16 bit) and > kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen/kmn080.zip (32 bit NT). > > It doesn't have scripting yet but most of the other kermit functions > appear to be there. I hope there aren't any ugly copyright issues > that affect this version later. At the moment the only restriction > on redistribution seems to be that you have to keep the original > files together. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 12:25:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 1 Mar 1995 23:16:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!olivea!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 24 Feb 1995 04:25:03 -0800 Organization: Teleport - Portland's Public Access (503) 220-1016 Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Summary: Recasting my question... Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, John Chandler wrote: >It's not clear what you mean by "assist" in connecting to a Unix system. >If your IBM system has telnet capability at all, it should have a TELNET >command that does all you need to connect. There is no way to avoid the >requirement that you hit the ENTER key in order to transmit something to >the Unix host, so what are you looking for? Surely, you don't want to >have a "script" that automatically supplies the userid and password for >logging on (that's easy to do, but a big security risk)?? I suppose, if >you really wanted that, and were connecting to the IBM system from a PC >running Kermit as the terminal emulator, you could have a script in the >PC Kermit to do that sort of thing, but I presume you're after something >else... > John Chandler Oops. I guess I didn't phrase that quite right. Here goes again. I must point out, however, that I'm attempting to help someone else unravel this problem, and I don't have first-hand IBM experience. Having made that warning... Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET feed. I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? Anyway, this roughly summarizes the situation. I'm not worried about session automation, and I'm definitely NOT planning to store my password on any machine, local or remote. So is there some flavor of TELNET available to facilitate this kind of connection? Is the buffering-protocol conversion insurmountable? Does there exist a Kermit flavor to help with this? Will ANET help? Will a TERMCAP/TERMINFO entry help if I can get it for the UNIX system? Thanks again in advance for any advice... I hope I managed to communicate the nature of the problem this time. (To anyone who's answered via email, I have sent separate replies also. I appreciate your time.) -- The worst sin towards our fellow creatures is not to hate them, but to be indifferent to them; thats the essence of inhumanity. - Bernard Shaw, _The Devil's Disciple_, 1897. {Finger for PGP key/info} sysone@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~sysone From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 20:23:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:16:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: binary file conversion Date: 24 Feb 1995 12:23:03 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ilf78$9i1@pacifier.com> References: <3i6eog$44p@newstand.syr.edu> <3i8sna$3rk@newstand.syr.edu> <1995Feb19.211951.42247@cc.usu.edu> <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3i9mq4$ect@newstand.syr.edu>, Ethan J. Rasiel wrote: > >Sounds like a good theory, but 2 things come to mind: > >1) Is it possible to mail to an ftp site? > Yes, if one uses an ftpmail server to gain access to ftp sites via E-mail. > >2) The person who uploaded one of these files mentioned in an text >file along with the file that even though it was 17 megs on the site, >it was really only 10 megs. uuencoded files increase in size >similarly, since data that took up 8 bits now only had 7. > Sounds to me like the person uploading the file(s) forgot to set his/her ftp program to image or binary mode before uploading the file(s). This would most definitely result in larger uploaded files than the originals. You'd have to look thru the RFC's to find the conventions for ftp ASCII transfers in order to reverse them. Even then, I'm afraid, it would be a lost cause as, as Professor Dupnik says, the high-bit of characters would be chopped off. I'd notify the keepers of the various ftp sites of the broken files so said files can be zapped! Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Fri Feb 24 21:21:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16510 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 04:49:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tymix.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!tardis.Tymnet.COM!not-for-mail From: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Re [2]: MS-Kermit 3.14 mode line won't stay off. Date: 24 Feb 1995 13:21:11 -0800 Organization: MCI Data Services, TYMNET Global Network Operations Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3ilik7$fi8@tardis.Tymnet.COM> References: <3i6g5n$ju@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu> <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: tardis.tymnet.com Summary: When did line 25 first show up? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >In article <3i8cg9$c6k@ulowell.uml.edu>, mbecker@neptune.cs.uml.edu (Mark Becker) writes: >> a) Does the VT-100 have a 25th line? In article <1995Feb19.171748.42230@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Yes, it's status line. Question: Which terminal from DEC first had the 25th line? The VT100 did not have it; it was limited to 24 lines only. Same for the VT102, VT105, VT106, VT125, VT180. I'm not sure if the VT220 had it, but I'm fairly sure that the VT3xx and VT4xx terminals do. (Technical nit pick: Actually, the VT100 could display more than just 24 lines; it could display 23 and 2 halves. During smooth scrolling, the bottom half of the previous line 1 would be visible, lines 2-24 fully visible, and the top half of the new line 25 just starting to come into view. But since this was a transient condition, it doesn't count as a full 25 lines on screen at the same time.) -Joe -- Joe Smith MCI Data and Information Services, TYMNET Operations Tech Support 2560 N 1st St, 5046/746, San Jose, CA 95131 (408)922-6220 v854 CA license plate: "POPJ P," 36-bits forever! (4 Tymshare PDP-10s still going!) Humorous disclaimer: "My Amiga 3000 speaks for me." From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 25 01:25:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:11:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ZMODEM VS KERMIT Date: 24 Feb 1995 19:25:46 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3im0uq$eo@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3ie4th$6ij@fohnix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu samurdock@cctr.umkc.edu (Scott Murdock) writes: >(Joseph Huber) wrote: >>caf@omen.COM (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes: >>>The FAQ Kermit author Joe D. recommends refers to the discredited >>>Columbia Kermit News "True Life Benchmarks". >> Just how and by whom was "True Life Benchmarks" discredited? >I downloaded and looked at the document [which discredits TLB] >last night (a sad attempt at a >multimedia document, I might add), and after reading the whole thing, guess >who it turns out the author is? Chuck Forsberg. He did the discrediting >himself. Wow, now there's an unbiased claim that "True Life Benchmarks" was >discredited! In addition, from what I was able to read, this "report" is woefully incomplete. How someone could claim that this report discredits "True Life Benchmarks" is beyond me. -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 04:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08608 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:38:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!ppp108.cac.psu.edu!rab166 From: rab166@psu.edu (Ron Burkett) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what talk program to use with kemit Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 04:46:52 GMT Organization: CAC Lines: 11 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ppp108.cac.psu.edu X-Authinfo-User: rab166@psu.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information even if its quite broad will help. Oh....and i'm refering to talk programs...not irc. -thanks -Ron Burkett TheKing@psu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 03:01:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:44:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!news.Cerritos.edu!news.Arizona.EDU!math.arizona.edu!noao!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!ttmath!mmettler From: mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu (Michael J. Mettler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 25 Feb 1995 03:01:48 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Mathematics Dept. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ttmath.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics'), but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem the same as mine. Any ideas? Thanks. Michael J. Mettler From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:19:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 10:59:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:19:32 GMT Lines: 7 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I need to receive zmodem during an MS-Kermit session, I escape to control mode and call macro "sz" which contains "run zmodem ..." according to the instructions that came with the zmodem program. I saw a suggestion to define a key to call the macro if you use it often. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 20:54:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 3 Mar 1995 20:54:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, Michael J. Mettler wrote: >I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. >... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >the same as mine. Any ideas? > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer rate. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 21:00:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:00:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what talk program to use with kemit Date: 3 Mar 1995 21:00:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3j801a$a4m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Burkett wrote: >I was wondering what talk clients run well with kermit.....i've been trying >to find one for my sister at IUP, and i am only familiar with winsock >applications as of thats what we use here at Penn State. I really don't know >anymore information about what platform she is running on so any information >even if its quite broad will help. > Kermit gives you a terminal emulator to a host or service. The talk application is on the host or service that you are connecting to with Kermit. Fancy ones divide the screen into two (or more) windows, one for each party. To do this, they send screen-control escape sequences to the terminal -- in this case to Kermit. So the only things you need to know are (a) what talk applications are available on your host or service (which you would find out from your local support people at IUP), and (b) how to make sure your host or service is using a terminal type, such as VT100 or VT320, that is supported by Kermit. Kermit's VT emulation is excellent, so talk clients that exercise advanced VT terminal features will work better with Kermit than with most other emulators. Talk clients generally have names like "talk", "chat", or "phone". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:23:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20637 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.172302.43018@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:23:02 MDT References: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >>Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >>: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >> >>Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >>protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. >> >>Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >>friend is seeing. >> > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. > What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and > Kermit reports 20% efficiency. > ky04@lehigh.edu ----------------- Two possibilities come to mind, assuming that you have reviewed the advice given in the distribution material (if not get the MSK 3.14 set binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu). First, you may not be using sliding windows. SET WINDOW 4 is a nice value, on both ends of the conversation. Second, the other end has to play along, and you don't indicate what it might be. If it is say ancient Kermit-32 then run, don't walk, to your system administrator and get C Kermit 5A(190) installed on that VAX. [Grab from above, directory kermit/c-kermit, stuff is ready to go for many systems.] If the other end is a BBS of some kind then the quality of the Kermit program there is often (too often) pretty terrible, and we do offer "the real thing" as MSK-LITE for BBS use. As a reminder about modem numbers, that 38,400 bps value is the maximum rate at which data flows between the modem and the computer, irrespective of the data rate on the telco wires. If the modems connect at say 2400 bps then that's the bottleneck. Also, Kermit doesn't know what the telco speed happens to be, so the efficiency value is computed at the modem<->computer data rate; inflate by the ratio of local/telco bps. For example, a 9600 bps connection and a 38,400 bps "DTE" speed would yield an apparent efficiency of 25% (38400 / 9600 = 4) under ideal conditions. I can't say more without knowing what's on the other end of the wire. May I also remind readers to grab the list's FAQ which is file FAQ.TXT (upper case) in directory kermit on kermit.columbia.edu. Many questions are pre-answered in it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 11:07:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 17:35:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT emulation problems Message-Id: <1995Feb26.170712.43017@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 17:07:11 MDT References: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, ky04@Lehigh.EDU writes: > The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out > to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have > comm software which uses MSKERM314. > > > Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: > I only see codes on the screen. > Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct > this problem. > > I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: > Term video writing: direct > display: regular, 7-bits > term controls: 7-bits > term code-page: CP437 -------------- You have the "medium" edition which is shrunk in size by omitting those features above. Please do read the docs accompanying the distribution. Grab the quick-start distribution binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip from kermit.columbia.edu. For all features use the full edition. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Feb 25 15:55:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29908 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:07:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!world!blanket.mitre.org!linus.mitre.org!news.mitre.org!mwunix!jcmorris From: jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org (Joe Morris) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: IBM 3278 to UNIX via Kermit...? Date: 25 Feb 1995 15:55:28 GMT Organization: The MITRE Corporation Lines: 48 Message-Id: <3injtg$5n0@reuters2.mitre.org> References: <3i74qp$no0@linda.teleport.com> <3ig0n5$62g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ikj6v$op@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mwunix.mitre.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > Suppose I have an account on an IBM mainframe, and I can >log in/out, handle files &c. with a reasonable level of >competence. Suppose also that I have the means to connect to a >remote UNIX system at some other site -- perhaps by using a >TCP/IP internet. I'm interested in connecting to my UNIX account >to read mail from friends and to access an unrestricted USENET >feed. > I run into a problem when I try to log onto the remote >system though: It doesn't know how to deal with my IBM system. >For one thing, it can't find a TERMCAP or TERMINFO entry to match >my machine (it says it's looking for a ....3278 entry). > Another problem is that IBMs like to buffer things a >line-at-a-time or a screen-at-a-time. This is a problem when >trying to "talk" to a UNIX system which deals with individual >characters: How do I access my mail and news on the UNIX end if >my mail and news readers are full-screen programs expecting >characters to be sent as soon as I press each key? > Someone told me about something called "ANET" which would >allow me to connect to a remote UNIX system. What's that? The problem is that (if you're using the IBM TCP/IP program) it doesn't cleanly handle a typical UNIX remote host connection if the distant machine is doing anything other than generic TTY emulation. In particular, there is no mechanism for the remote system to send screen orders (cursor addressing, highlight, clear screen, etc.) and there is no mechanism to tell the distant host when you use a local editing key such as cursor up/down/left/right or edit/delete. The remote system is reading the terminal type that your local TELNET command sent is during option negotiation when you established the connection, but finds nothing in its TERMCAP (or TERMINFO) data base to tell it what to do. The buffering mode used by 327x terminals also conflicts with the full-duplex character mode expected by UNIX (and other) systems. If your IBM host is running VM, there is a rework of the TELNET interface that was done by a user and provides at least the ability to respond to VT100 screen orders that are sent by the distant UNIX host. I'm no longer in the IBM mainframe world and can't remember the name of the person who did it, but if you check with the IBM sysprog at your shop ask him to look around on VMSHARE for references. The work may have been done at CUNY. If he doesn't have access to VMSHARE ask him to check with other contacts in SHARE; if the shop doesn't belong to SHARE, or if the IBM system is running MVS/TSO, I can't help you. Joe Morris / MITRE From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:49:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 23:43:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 25 Feb 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" without success.) Thanks in advance marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 13:50:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 03:11:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!chan1372 From: chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:50:13 GMT Organization: The Chinese University of Hong Kong Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: @137.189.4.24 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? By the way, I have another question related to the escape character. I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. How can I supress it ? I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) Any idea ? Regards, Chan Wai Ming. -- ******************************************************************************* * 9q6l&a'} / E-mail address ::= chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk * * "W"`"Q$F&W / IRC nick ::= WMChan * ******************************************************************************* * 3/06)z \ _____________ / Chan Wai Ming, Miriam * * -;4d$$$e$j>G = | | = The Chinese University of Hong Kong * * 9q$l-p:b(t = | /-\|/-\|/.. | = Computer Science * * %|&~/Z / |_____________| \ Year 4 (Undergraduate) * * ^^^^^ Intelligent * * Chinese-English Translator ;) * ******************************************************************************* From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:44:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Message-Id: <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:44:22 MDT References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ip18p$qml@panix.com>, mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: > I'm working on an application in which I am sending single characters > out a com port with the "Output" command. But it seems to be a full > order of magnitude slower than sending text with the "transmit" or "write" > commands. Am I doing something wrong? (I have tried "set output pacing" > without success.) ---------- The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 04:50:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:48:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get rid of the conflict of ^]? Message-Id: <1995Feb26.105020.42987@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Feb 95 10:50:20 MDT References: <0098C108.21F102EC@vms.csd.mu.edu> <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iq0ul$92c@hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk>, chan1372@cs.cuhk.hk (3/06)z) writes: > 5603liul@vms.csd.mu.edu wrote: > > :-) I found out a very bad situation with kermit is that you excape back > :-) to kermit command mode using ^]. How ever telnet's escape characters > :-) are also ^]. Any one know hoe to resovle this conflict? ALso how can I > :-) get the scan code of my keyboard? > > > By the way, I have another question related to the escape > character. > > I do not mind what key the escape character are binded to. But, > every time I hit the escape character, I see a full-screen help screen. > How can I supress it ? > > I tried use 'set escape' without success. Seems that Kermit > will check if the key is 'suitable' to do that. I want to set Ctrl-F10 > as the escape key (too bad, I do not want to use ^\ or ^] or others.) > Any idea ? ---------------- The "escape" key from Connect mode is a regular ASCII control code. Special IBM-PC keyboard items such as Control F10 are not accepted, nor is even F10. However, keyboard verb \Kexit does the same job and can be assigned to whichever key combination you wish; by default this is assigned to ALT-x. Pressing the "escape" key brings down a short menu offering to take action depending on the next key pressed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 18:33:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 15:01:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit -- Speed of "Output" vs. "Write" Date: 26 Feb 1995 13:33:18 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3iqhhe$rm0@panix.com> References: <3ip18p$qml@panix.com> <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Feb26.104422.42986@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > The OUTPUT command has a minimum interval of 1ms between sent >bytes. The reason is the primary use of OUTPUT is to setup modems, and >many modems are intolerant of back to back bytes in this mode. Thus >the program defaults to a small but normally satisfactory pause without >the user having to give yet another command to control the modem. > In addition, the OUTPUT command looks for and displays modem >responses as it goes, and that can add extra time between bytes. Let me then rephrase my question. I'm interested in using ms-kermit to send singe characters over an asynch line without any output delay except for that provided by xon/xoff flow control. Any suggestions? Thanks! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:06:21 -0500 Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3iqqgd$rm1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ioq50$5n@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >Michael J. Mettler (mmettler@ttmath.ttu.edu) wrote: >: I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >: work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >: downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >: be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >Pre-compressed files max out, theoretically, at about 1680cps, regardless of >protocol. That's all the bits that will fit on a 14.4 modem. > >Text files may transfer at 3000 or so, using Kermit. This must be what your >friend is seeing. > How do you get 1680cps? With packetlength 1000, I get 1000cps or so. What parameters should I tune. The max speed on the mainframe is 38400, and Kermit reports 20% efficiency. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Feb 26 21:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21282 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:10:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: ky04@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT emulation problems Date: 26 Feb 1995 16:37:26 -0500 Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3iqsam$3aj1@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The problems arise with graphics when emulating VT320 terminals. I dial out to work to use MATLAB, in which I can set terminal as KERMIT. I have comm software which uses MSKERM314. Wheb I display graphics, I can't see plot at all: I only see codes on the screen. Kermit gives a message "NO GRAPHICS, NO NETWORK" at start. How do I correct this problem. I checked SHOW TERM which gives, among other things: Term video writing: direct display: regular, 7-bits term controls: 7-bits term code-page: CP437 Thanks for for any help. ky04@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 20:59:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 18:57:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: reh3@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: waitfor command ? Date: 4 Mar 1995 15:59:44 -0500 Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hi, i am using ms-kermit 3.14. is there a command for use in a script which will wait for something, other than a certain amount of time? i am trying to connect from my pc to and annex terminal server through an adi box. my problem is that sometimes it takes several seconds for the annex to respond. right now i have a script that waits for several seconds, but if the annex does not respond, it connects anyway. i am only modifing the original script, and did not write it. thanks in advance. Ryan Hope From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 04:23:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 4 Mar 1995 19:17:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!sunic!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Hardware for ms-kermit? Date: 27 Feb 1995 04:23:05 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). Will a 286 do it? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 13:47:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 03:46:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!steveh From: steveh@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com (Stephen Hulbert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit and spider ports Date: 2 Mar 1995 13:47:59 -0000 Organization: Hewlett Packard UKRC Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Reply-To: steveh@hpwin061.uksr.hp.com Nntp-Posting-Host: hpwina21.uksr.hp.com X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit People, I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. I want to automate a connection from my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: 1) Set serial line and speed 2) connect at this point I am connected to a spider 3) open hayes 4) atdtnnnnnnnn (nnnnnnnn being the phone number) 5) login when connected (optional) It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). One thought I had was to connect via 'cu' first, then switch to using kermit. I've tried this as follows: 1) cu to the remote machine and do a kermit -r 2) do a ~!sh to get back to my machine 3) remove the /usr/spool/uucp/LCK files 4) kermit setting line and speed 5) send a file Unfortunately, I just get %T%T%T% rather than the file transfer. If I do a connect though, that works. Any ideas? Steve. From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 01:17:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 17:43:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Hardware for ms-kermit? Message-Id: <1995Feb27.071724.43054@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 07:17:24 MDT References: <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3irk39$4m4@sunny.bahnhof.se>, marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) writes: > What would I need for kind of machine to run MS-Kermit? This is me "test" > when I'm going to buy a second PC. I have to be able to run some sort of > Kermit (running ckermit on my os/2 machine). > > Will a 286 do it? ------------- An 8088 XT (without hard disk too) will do for MS-DOS Kermit. It's not Kermit that constrains your choices but rather the other things you will do with the machine. Given the low cost of motherboards it is difficult to recommend anything less than a 486. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:50:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 08:29:19 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >writes: >> >> Hi, Kermiteers! >> >> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >----------- > That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. > A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. > Joe D. Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not compatible? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 00:00:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit and spider ports Date: 6 Mar 1995 00:00:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3jdjbn$ha1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3j4iaf$ma@hpwina21.uksr.hp.com>, Stephen Hulbert wrote: >I am an HP-UX user using HP's kermit. > You mean Columbia University's C-Kermit 4E(072) from 1989, which HP was distributing with HP-UX through version 9.xx. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). >I want to automate a connection from >my machine to a remote machine which consists of the following steps: >... >It is the spider port which is the problem. Kermit 'script' text appears to >assume that a connection has already been made (unlike uucp chat scripts). > The current version of C-Kermit has a full-blown script programming language that will let you do anything you want, including multi-stage connection processes like the one you describe. Please upgrade to the current version of C-Kermit, consult the documentation about how to write script programs, and then if you have any further problems, contact technical support in the normal fashion. To get C-Kermit 5A(190): anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make linux make solaris2x make hpux90 which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:50:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24215 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 20:27:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 5 Mar 1995 23:50:37 GMT Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy Lines: 12 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 with an various external modems and serial links to unix boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another communications program, as these modems are supposed to work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 14:56:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 21:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!bb09320 From: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu (Mark Garcia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Date: 2 Mar 1995 14:56:30 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings :)) Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. -- M M A RRRRR K K MM\ /MM A A R R K K M M M M A A R R K K M M M A A R--- K KK M + M A ===== A R R K K M M A A R R K K M M A A R R K K Address: Mark Garcia Binghamton University E-Mail: bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 21:29:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 22:24:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Adding second line to "output" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:29:10 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus output atdt7414444/13 but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 07:11:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 5 Mar 1995 23:58:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:11:32 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 15:43:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 01:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!winter From: winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 2 Mar 1995 15:43:32 GMT Organization: Fourth Dimension Software Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags gmake sunos41gcc \ "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have set speed 14400 then kermit complains ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 If I type 'set speed ?' I get: set speed ? Transmission rate for /dev/cua0 in bits per second, one of the following: 110 1200 14400 150 19200 200 2400 28800 300 3600 38400 4800 50 57600 600 7200 When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). Can't change speed to 14400 Call complete. Mind you, it's just an annoyance, everything works fine. Any idea? I my tty port setup screwed up? Thanks, /* Amir J. Katz email: winter@datasrv.co.il */ /* 4th Dimension Software, LTD., Tel-Aviv, ISRAEL */ /* "When I die, I'm leaving my body to science fiction" (S. Wright) */ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:17:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:18:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:17:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jecv7$gj5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? >thanks, gideon Hebrew modes are built into the standard distributions of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(190) and above. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 07:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 02:22:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 07:22:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3jed7q$gol@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >When I connect, the modem connects with 14400, so I get a message > > To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C). > Can't change speed to 14400 > Call complete. > While C-Kermit supports a line speed of 14400, it is not universally supported by all hardware. This is probably the case with your Sun. On the other hand, since everything works fine without the line speed switch it means that your modem is not changing the line speed to 14400, so neither should C-Kermit. Use: set dial speed-matching off to disable the speed switch. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Feb 27 13:30:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18711 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Adding second line to "output" Message-Id: <1995Feb27.193027.43132@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Feb 95 19:30:26 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak writes: > > My mskermit.ini file is currently set to dial a number, thus > output atdt7414444/13 > > but I do I lot of my connecting at night, and so I'd like to shut off the > modem's sound, by having it type "atm." But I can't seem to get it to do > both -- either I can output atm, or atdt7414444/13. Any suggestions > would be appreciated. ----------------- AT commands are terminated with a carriage return, the \13 you see above. Notice that you've typed the slash the wrong way. You can simply add another output command to send atm\13. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 03:29:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:18:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar2.092948.43364@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 09:29:48 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <95061.082919HDK@psuvm.psu.edu>, H. D. Knoble writes: > In article <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > says: > >>In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) >>writes: >>> >>> Hi, Kermiteers! >>> >>> Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX >>> box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, >>> if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon >>> completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does >>> *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of >>> writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the >>> behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs >>> and GETs or RECEIVEs? >>----------- >> That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such >>commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. >> A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, >>which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real >>disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is >>used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. >> Joe D. > Joe, Are you saying MS-Kermit and DOS 6.x SMARDRV.EXE are not > compatible? -------- I said what I said above. I haven't the slightest idea of what "compatible" means in this circumstance. But it does not take an advanced degree to understand the troubles which an ensue to comms programs if the machine is taken out of action for extended milliseconds to chat with disk. In a general sense, the fewer things loaded on the machine the fewer troubles one is likely to have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:53:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 03:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!rainrgnews0!europa.com!bscott From: bscott@europa.com (Benjamin J. Scott) Subject: Linux C-kermit scroll fixed Message-Id: Sender: usenet@europa.com (Usenet News Poster Address) Nntp-Posting-Host: thetics.europa.com Organization: Europa |||| Portland, OR X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:53:36 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to those who E-Mailed me. I downloaded the C-Kermit source and recompiled it since the premade binary was the one giving me trouble. However, Kermit would not even compile with ncurses 1.8.6, which was what I had. It turned out that 1.8.7 is out now and that did the trick. BTW the problem was that the scrolling would lock up after a full screen (thermometer) type file transfer was completed. I ran "reset" to return it to normal. With the new ncurses this problem has vanished. \ It's always something! / Coming soon (promise!) bscott@europa.com | -Gilda Radner | | | Windoze95..96..97..98... Finger ---- PGP | Linux Now | -LemmingWare [tm] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:42:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!fiesta.srl.ford.com!eccdb1.pms.ford.com!usenet From: Madhu Raj Koka Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 2 Mar 1995 17:25:17 GMT Organization: ECC at Ford Motor Company, Dearborn Michigan Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: sl0476.srl.ford.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Guys, I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : -------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/tty, speed: -1, mode: remote, modem-dialer: direct Bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: xon/xoff, handshake: none Terminal emulation: 7 bits Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout: 10 7 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 1 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 90 90 Length Limit: 2048 1024 File parameters: File Names: converted Debugging Log: none File Type: binary Packet Log: none File Warning: off Session Log: none File Display: on Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete File Disposition: discard, Init file: .kermrc -------------------------------------------------------------- On my PC I tried to "match" these parameters in kermit options. But no use for binary transfer ! Any thoughts are appreciated. madhu PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so at what settings. ) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 10:52:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 10:52:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:47:43 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help Once Again! I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or \27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. I have tried SET ESC \28 but the same thing happens. I have also tried writing a macro which outputs ESC and then outputs 1->0 but the same thing happens. I am pretty sure I am just not understanding this properly. Can Anyone help? P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to do that. Thank-you for your patience!!!! |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:05:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:06:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:05:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, J. Patrick Harrington wrote: > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 >with an various external modems and serial links to unix >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that >will work? Someone suggested that I shoud try another >communications program, as these modems are supposed to >work with the OB 300 notebooks. I would welcome any ideas. > There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software will work with this (or any other) particular combination. Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so idiosyncratic that they work only with special software that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't work at all. Having said that, it is still quite likely that you can make this combination work by (a) following whatever directions come with your modem to eliminate address and/or interrupt conflicts (good luck), and (b) upgrading from MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 to 3.14, and (c) reading section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Let's face it -- the PC was never designed to handle all the responsibilities that have been foisted upon it over the last 10 years. The average PC of today is overladen with memory, CD-ROM drives, Sound Blasters, network boards, serial ports, mice, internal data/fax boards, and who knows what else -- more devices than there are interrupts to handle them and drivers all sharing the same memory and pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:13:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: is there a hebrew MSKermit 3.14? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:13:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3jfcaj$qi2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuib4$3mr@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >a great hebrew adaptation/package was developed for mskermit 3.13 >is there any work of that kind (or achievement) for 3.14? > Yes, an even greater one. Just look in the HEBREW directory of MS-DOS 3.14 Kermit diskette (or ZIP file). Some of the improvements in v3.14 include: a public domain Hebrew font is packaged on the diskette, automatic switching of keyboard modes (English / Hebrew) is supported with a complete Hebrew key map provided, etc, and there is now thorough documentation in the HEBREW.DOC file. Here is the READ.ME file from the HEBREW directory: USING MS-DOS KERMIT WITH THE HEBREW ALPHABET This directory contains the supplementary Hebrew files for MS-DOS Kermit: READ.ME - This file HEBREW.DOC - Documentation of Kermit's Hebrew features HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Short explanation of HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table KEYMAP.PS - PostScript picture of Hebrew keyboard layout For details, read the HEBREW.DOC file. The associated Hebrew font is in the PCFONTS directory, and the HFONT macro loads the Hebrew font. The font requires EGA, VGA, or higher graphics adapter. NOTE: Hebrew support works best when used on a normal 25x80 screen. See PCFONTS\READ.ME for further information. (End of READ.ME) From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 14:02:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27246 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:13:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.byu.edu!hamblin.math.byu.edu!park.uvsc.edu!not-for-mail From: rwitmer@lanai.Eyring.COM (Robert Witmer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 28 Feb 1995 07:02:16 -0700 Organization: Eyring Corporation Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.Eyring.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: eyring.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have a kermit script file. It starts out with log session and when I review the log and watch the screen I can see everything except the last few commands of the script. Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? I have at the end of the script, # Last few things to do... ... <- a few commands to run on remote system. clear #Now logout from remote system. output logout\13 pause 5 hangup quit I see most of the session, down to those last few commands, but I don't see all of those last few commands. The script just returns and the last part of the log is missing. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -Bob Witmer From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:22:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:22:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:22:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, 4th Dimension wrote: >I've just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) with the following flags > gmake sunos41gcc \ > "KFLAGS=-DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K -DCK_WREFRESH -DCK_PCT_BAR" > >and the compile/link went fine. However, if in my .kermrc I have > set speed 14400 >then kermit complains > ?Unsupported line speed - 14400 > The reason the sunos41xxx makefile entries do not define the symbols -DBPS_14K -DBPS_28K -DBPS_57K is that the underlying operating system (SunOS 4.1.x) does not support these speeds. Look in /usr/include/sys/ttydev.h and you can see for yourself. You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, then tell C-Kermit to "set speed 38400", "set dial speed-matching off". Also be sure to use RTS/CTS flow control. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:27:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:28:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:27:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3jfd6a$s0j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka wrote: >I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to >my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. >Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. >On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get >is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. >... >PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so >at what settings. ) > That's the ticket. You should also be running a more recent version of Kermit on the HP -- version 4E is also very old stuff. In any case, it should be sufficient to tell both Kermit programs to "set file type binary" -- that should ensure correct binary-mode transfers in both directions. For further information, please consult the manuals, and also the sections on binary transfers in the FAQ: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/FAQ.TXT If you still have trouble after that, send email to kermit@columbia.edu describing the problem in detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 16:31:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 11:31:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Missing tail end of session.log? Date: 6 Mar 1995 16:31:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jfdcm$sd4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivad8$81d@lanai.eyring.com>, Robert Witmer wrote: >I am running C-Kermit 5A on a Unix workstation and have >a kermit script file. It starts out with > log session >and when I review the log and watch the screen I can >see everything except the last few commands of the script. >Is there some kermit command which will dump the buffers >which are displaying the logs and the interactive session? > CLOSE SESSION? - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 18:27:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 14:19:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSDOS-KERMIT 3.14 & ESC Remapping Date: 6 Mar 1995 18:27:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfk6m$b6p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am using MSKERMIT 3.14 connecting to a U6000 and then thru Information >Services (IS) to an Unisys 1100. My problem is that IS expects ESC 1->0 >cooresponding to F1->F10. When I remap F1->F10 in Kermit to \271 or \2701 or >\27 1 Kermit bounces to the Command prompt. > As shown in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", 2nd edition, p.211, Table 17-2, "MS-DOS Kermit Backslash Notation", the way to do this is: set key \nnn \{27}1 Otherwise, Kermit has no way of knowing what you mean. You could also use: set key \nnn \27\48 >P.S. I would like to subscribe to the newsletter but do not remember how to >do that. > There is still time. Send email containing your complete postal address to knews@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 17:37:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 18:58:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!utnetw.utoledo.edu!jupiter!crszczub From: crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) Subject: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Sender: news@utnetw.utoledo.edu (News Manager) Organization: University of Toledo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Thu, 2 Mar 1995 17:37:30 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do this? thank you in advance -- +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ | Craig Szczublewski |+ | crszczub@jupiter.cse.utoledo.edu |+ | Unique Systems, Inc. || | 4gen!unique!craig%uunet.uu.net || | 5610 Monroe St. Suite 210 || |------------------------------------|| | Sylvania, OH 43560 || | A few munce ugo i cudn't evin spel || | (419) 882-1113 || | injunear, now i ar won. || +---------------------------+| +------------------------------------+| +---------------------------+ +------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:42:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:21:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!src.honeywell.com!recnews-2.4 From: hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: funny new Bios2 option Date: 28 Feb 1995 15:42:54 -0600 Organization: mailEnteringNews @ Honeywell Technology Center Lines: 36 Sender: daemon@src.honeywell.com Message-Id: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: moon.src.honeywell.com X-Received: from skylab.src.honeywell.com by src.honeywell.com (4.1/smail2.6.3/SRCv0.25); Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST id AA00382 for comp.protocols.kermit.misc at Posted-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST Received-Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:48 CST X-Received: by skylab.src.honeywell.com (4.1/SMI-3.2) id AA10700; Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:42:47 CST X-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old one did. in response to: set port 2 kermit responds: This port operates through the Bios and, in response to: set speed 19200 kermit responds: Unimplemented baud rate neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) any idea what's going on? thanks in advance, -geo --- George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 hadden@src.honeywell.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 09:00:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 22:49:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Message-Id: <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 15:00:23 MDT References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > > Is there any way to test for this situation and exit cleanly > with an error message if this occurs? > > set flow rts/cts > SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT > SET CARRIER ON 1 > SET QUIET ON > ; \%a was 4, > def \%a 4 > echo > echo Attempting to connect to Common Ground... > :tryagain > set line /dev/tty\%a Perhaps you would do better with the hardware flow control port /dev/tty00h or equivalent. As Frank has commented extensively, Unix has rotten serial comms support and the system may well not do hardware flow control properly nor easily. I recall that my UW 1.1.3 system does RTS/CTS control ok with the "h" port. You should also play with the SET CARRIER option to get around sensing and waiting for it in the initial stages of things. I wish I could help more but I avoid modems on my Unix machine. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:56:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:00:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:56:20 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, where I could type the responses by myself? How to do that? Any pointers? Thanks a lot! Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 5 23:35:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!ihnp4.ucsd.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 18:35:15 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject line says it all, as it has been doubtless said before. Thanks for your help. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 15:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25730 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:07:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Where can I download the most recent Kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 15:53:32 GMT Lines: 6 Sender: helios@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu By WWW, http://www.columbia.edu/kermit Can't find my notes for anonymous ftp address, but I think it was kermit.columbia.edu -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 15:41:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 00:59:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: funny new Bios2 option Message-Id: <1995Feb28.214127.43255@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Feb 95 21:41:27 MDT References: <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9502282142.AA10700@skylab.src.honeywell.com>, hadden@src.honeywell.com (George D. Hadden) writes: > > i have a new pcmcia modem which behaves differently wrt kermit than my old > one did. > > in response to: > > set port 2 > > kermit responds: > > This port operates through the Bios Then, as the Kermit docs explain, it failed to pass muster as a real legit serial port. Hence the Bios is used and that is a terrible pathway. In short, the modem isn't working properly, and with PCMCIA that is not unusual. I recommend you chat with the vendors involved. > and, in response to: > > set speed 19200 > > kermit responds: > > Unimplemented baud rate > > neither of these responses occured before. the modem actually WILL respond > at 19200 if i first set it to 4800, then to 19200 (go figure!). this bios > thing bothers me though. kermit offers me COM1 through COM4, Bios1 through > Bios4, 1 through 4, NetBios, and UB-Net1. (this may be a result of my > newly installed windows for workgroups. i'm NOT networked, however.) Sure, the networking is available if you have the underlying network stack. That's all it means. Joe D. > any idea what's going on? > > thanks in advance, > > -geo > --- > George D. Hadden, Research Fellow (612)951-7769(voice), (612)951-7438(fax) > Honeywell Technology Center, 3660 Technology Drive, Minneapolis, MN 55418 > hadden@src.honeywell.com > From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 17:26:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:01:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: David Coons Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 6 Mar 1995 17:26:07 GMT Organization: Texas Tech Academic Computing Services Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jfgjf$7pp@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dcoons.acs.ttu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. > If so how would I be able to obtain it. Try ftp://kermit.columbia.edu//kermit/e/faq.txt From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 07:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:08:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q] Kermit Binary Transfer Problem Message-Id: <1995Mar2.133753.43390@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Mar 95 13:37:53 MDT References: <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j4v1t$478@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, Madhu Raj Koka writes: > Hi Guys, > > I am a kind of novice kermit. So please bear with me. > > I am using ProComm ver 1.0 ( old stuff !) for windows to dial up to > my HP 725 running UNIX. I select the protocol to be kermit in ProComm. Yup, ancient, and we don't support ProComm. > Text transfers are working fine. But binary is where the snag is. > On my host (HP) I invoke kermit. Set file type to binary. What I get > is a "Bad Check Sum" error when I try to send a binary file. > > On my HP the kermit parameter are as below ( from SHOW ) : > -------------------------------------------------------------- > C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, HP 9000 Series HP-UX, Communications Parameters: Oh my. That is truely ancient. Please, oh please, update the HP to use C Kermit 5A(190). > PS : ( I got a copy of MSKERMIT now. Will it make life any easier ? If so > at what settings. ) a) You must be joking. b) Please do read the manual and the release docs. We have taken pains to pre-answer the question. Good luck with the new toy(s, when you get C Kermit too). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 07:51:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 03:09:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 07:51:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with COMTCP? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 17:59:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 05:55:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Bell Date: 1 Mar 1995 09:59:39 -0800 Organization: Pacifier BBS, Vancouver, Wa. ((206) 693-0325) Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Kermiteers! Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs and GETs or RECEIVEs? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Take my advice; I certainly don't use it! From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 23:03:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:28:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:27:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news1.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Date: 2 Mar 1995 23:03:19 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3j5irn$88i@news1.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , craig szczublewski wrote: >how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit >on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It >only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from >an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a >macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do >this? In the C-Kermit 5A(190) distribution there is a ckurzsz.ini script which does this kind of thing. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:07:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:55:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Made SLIP script for DOS Date: 7 Mar 1995 01:07:42 -0800 Lines: 98 Message-Id: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu Summary: Automates making a SLIP connection; contains instructions and hints. Keywords: slip dialin telnet dos packet-driver X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #4 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following reasons: 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. 3) For netsurfing, I would suggest forget about DOS/Windows and use Linux or FreeBSD. Due to the sophistication of DOS/Win, these are almost as good as Unix, and at least as complex to set up. The free Unixes have also a lower price, and more and better versions of ftp, Mosaic, lynx, mail, news, etc (better price/quality ratio). A week or so ago I posted a Kermit script to start SLIP on Linux. 4) Note that the script below does NOT have the automatic login and redial features from my Linux script. If you want those, just copy them from the Linux script (and modify to suit). You do not need the slattach and route sections from the Linux script. OK, if you still use DOS, here is the kermit script. Good Luck, Roland -- ; slipbpa.tak Roland Kwee Feb 8, 1995 ; Make sure you study the script and change things according ; to your com port, modem, phone#, etc. echo Setting up Kermit for SLIP set port com1 ; use the highest speed to communicate with the modem, to ; keep up with compressed data rates: set speed 38400 echo Initializing the BlackBox modem 32144. ; reset modem to factory defaults, echo on, full responses, answer: output at&fe1x4s0=1\13 pause 1 ; turn the annoying speaker off: :output atl0m0\13 ; hardware flow control (required for slip): output at\Q1S7=90\13 set flow-control RTS/CTS ; Network settings (verify with your system administrator): set tcp/ip address 1.1.20.90 set tcp/ip broadcast 1.1.255.255 set tcp/ip subnetmask 255.255.0.0 set tcp/ip primary-nameserver 1.160.11.34 set tcp/ip gateway 1.1.1.2 set tcp/ip domain net.surf.gov ; Make connection, the entry must be in the file DIALUPS.TXT: dial slipprovider ; Handle the other side manually. Could be automated. connect ; When the modems connect: log in, start the remote slip, escape ; back to your local Kermit prompt. ; If you want to run Mosaic or some other application than Kermit ; over the SLIP connection, uncomment this exit: ; exit ; If you want to use Kermit to telnet into a remote host over SLIP, ; this section does that: ; Change from dialin mode to telnet mode using the packet-driver interrupt: set port tcp/ip ; If no name server is running, use the numeric form: ;set tcp/ip host cpu.domain.gov set tcp/ip host 1.160.1.254 ; In telnet mode, flow control is not needed. set flow none connect ; To end the SLIP session and hangup the phone, just start Kermit ; again, but not in telnet mode, and issue the HANGUP command from ; the KErmit command prompt. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 1 09:52:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 08:14:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Bell Message-Id: <1995Mar1.155254.43312@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 Mar 95 15:52:54 MDT References: <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j2cmb$93m@pacifier.com>, mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) writes: > > Hi, Kermiteers! > > Using Ms-Kermit V3.14 Patch-level 3 talking to C-Kermit 5A(190) on a UNIX > box via dial-up connection, I notice that if C-Kermit is in Server mode, > if I escape back to Ms-Kermit and do a SEND, the PC bell beeps upon > completion of the transfer. However, if one does a GET, the bell does > *not* beep upon completion of the transfer. Is there a way (short of > writing a macro with "echo \007" in it to do the GET) to make the > behavior symmetrical, that is, make my PC beep at the end of *both* SENDs > and GETs or RECEIVEs? ----------- That's odd. For me the default is to sound the bell for all such commands, and to not sound it if SET BELL OFF has been stated. A guess: you are running a disk cache program, say smartdrive, which takes over the machine in detail while flushing buffers to real disk. That could do worse than clobber DOS bells (and that's what is used at the end of file transfers). If so, del c:\dos\smartdrive.*. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 14:18:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 09:18:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit script - responding to a hung system Date: 7 Mar 1995 14:18:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3jhpvt$t18@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <1995Feb28.150023.43218@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ivo01$6hh@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > I have the following script running under C-Kermit 5A (190) on > a Unixware 1.1.2 machine through a fully hardware handshaking > cable to a TBBS system with its ports set for null-modem, > hardware-handshaking operation. > > It works fine when the TBBS system is running or powered down > or deliberately off-line, as the low DTR on the TBBS side is > wired through to DCD on the Unixware side. > > However, if the TBBS system is hung with DTR high, the script > connects, then blocks waiting to send the initial \13 character. > In other words DTR is up, which is wired to DCD on the UnixWare side, so the SET LINE (open) succeeds, but you can't send a character because you are not getting its RTS signal, which is cross-wired to CTS. How about this: WAIT 10 CTS IF FAIL STOP 1 Flow control deadlock I'm not certain that modem-signal support is available in the UnixWare version of C-Kermit, but it is, this should do the trick. If it isn't, maybe it can be added if the underlying support is there in OS. To check, just type "show modem" at the UnixWare C-Kermit> prompt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 15:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 10:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to debug Kermit scripts? Date: 7 Mar 1995 15:15:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jhtaj$4ul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfstk$b6p@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >I'd like to debug Kermit scripts OUTPUT/INPUT handling. >Any idea how this could be done without having kermit executing a dial >command? Eg. connecting kermit with a set line command to another pty, >where I could type the responses by myself? > There are many ways to do this. First, you should do by hand whatever it is that you want to automate, and LOG SESSION during the process to record exactly what characters come in from the host. This will help you to write your INPUT statements. Then test your script on an actual session, using SET INPUT ECHO ON and LOG SESSION. If it works, you're done. If it doesn't work, and you can't figure out what is wrong by looking at the screen or the (second) session log, then: a. If your computer has two serial ports, connect them together with a null modem cable. Run Kermit in CONNECT mode on one and run your script on the other. b. Or connect two computers back-to-back with a null modem cable. On the computer that is in CONNECT mode, it is convenient to use SET KEY to program the remote computer's responses to keystrokes, for speed and to eliminate typing errors. Also note that C-Kermit's INPUT and OUTPUT commands also work in REMOTE mode, so if you are accessing your UNIX host from a terminal or emulator, you can also test your script on the "console". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 17:34:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 13:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 7 Mar 1995 17:34:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3ji5g0$hcf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >The Internet Access Kit that comes with OS/2 Warp has a COM port to Telnet >redirector called COMTCP. While I have been able to get it to work with >some terminal emulators, MS-Kermit (3.14) isn't one of them. I've tried >specifying both the hardware COM ports and the BIOS ports in MS-Kermit and >neither works. Has anyone else been able to get MS-Kermit to work with >COMTCP? > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port using OS/2 services. On the other hand, you could always be using C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(190) which is designed as a real OS/2 32-bit application. It provides most of the features that MS-DOS Kermit has except for VT320 and Tek terminals. But it also has many OS/2 specific features such as support for long filenames, REXX scripting, PM Clipboard copy/paste, Mouse support during terminal sessions, and much more. C-Kermit for OS/2 may be retrieved from ftp kermit.columbia.edu in /kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 16:30:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 14:16:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!hecate.umd.edu!astro.umd.edu!jph From: jph@astro.umd.edu (J. Patrick Harrington) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit with PCMCIA modems? Date: 7 Mar 1995 16:30:50 GMT Organization: U.of Maryland, College Park, Astronomy Lines: 47 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ji1nq$94d@umd5.umd.edu> References: <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu> <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: juno.astro.umd.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfbt3$prt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: |> In article <3jdiod$qa1@umd5.umd.edu>, |> J. Patrick Harrington wrote: |> > I have been running kermit 3.13 on my OmniBook 300 |> >with an various external modems and serial links to unix |> >boxes with no problems. Recently I have tried using a |> >Megahertz PCMCIA modem (XJ2144 -- 14400bps) in slot A of |> >the OmniBook, but kermit does not seem to recognize it. |> >Is this a known problem, or is there some setting that |> >will work? |>> |> There is no guarantee that Kermit or any other software |> will work with this (or any other) particular combination. |> Some modem cards, particularly PCMCIA ones, are so |> idiosyncratic that they work only with special software |> that has been specifically adapted for them. Some don't |> work at all. ---- good advice deleted ---- |> .... and drivers all sharing the same memory and |> pulling the rug out from under each other willy nilly, and |> so almost anybody who attempts to add a device to a PC is |> going to experience interrupt and/or address conflicts or |> mismatches, or worse. It's a miracle that PCs work at all. |> |> - Frank Amen! I *have* been able to get my Megahertz XJ2144 PCMCIA modem to work properly with the OmniBook 300, and I just wanted to clear this issue up and not leave the impression that there is a fundamental problem with this combination. I believe what happened is the following: I have been using OBMAX on the OB300 to free up enough space to run some favorite DOS programs. When OBMAX has removed some of the drivers, even if "install=d:\omnibook\obcic.exe /GEN 1" is in the config.sys file, I could not find the modem. However, with the standard boot to windows (and with "set port 2" in kermit) there is no problem. The XJ2144 does have a tendency to emit a sort of "static" sound while running, but this happens on the HP100LX also. Thanks to all who provided suggestions. Pat Harrington From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 06:04:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 15:25:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Made SLIP script for DOS Message-Id: <1995Mar7.120446.43897@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Mar 95 12:04:46 MDT References: <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 37 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jh7ou$2bi@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > > Here is a Kermit script to setup SLIP under MS/DOS. Although > it really works, it is of limited usefulness for the following > reasons: > > 1) Setting up SLIP under DOS is pretty simple. Just put the > packet-driver SLIP8250.COM (included in the PC/Kermit distribution) > in the autoexec.bat file. This allows normal Kermit access to Actually in autoexec.bat is a bad place. One needs to dial and login to the remote host first, then start SLIP frames. > BBS-es AND slip access. The SLIP access uses the special interrupt > to communicate with the packet-driver. To actually use SLIP, Terminology: SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver. Applications reach Packet Drivers though an interrupt between 0x60 and 0x7f. > use Kermit to dial into the SLIP service provider and start the remote > slip. Then, either quit Kermit and start on your home PC either > FTP, ping, mosaic, or telnet. Kermit can be used as telnet by > issuing a series of SET TCP/IP commands. > > 2) Many TCP/IP applications on DOS use special TCP/IP driver software > such as LanManager, NetBeui, Winsock, etc. This posting ONLY refers More terminology. Lan Man uses NetBEUI; it's not a TCP/IP stack. SLIP is strictly IP. NetBIOS may be run over the top of a number of protocol stacks, including TCP/IP (so-called RFC-NetBIOS). > to applications that use the packet driver. For Winsock, etc, you > should NOT use the packet driver, unless your Winsock says otherwise. SLIP8250 *is* a Packet Driver, which does SLIP work. If you have only telco lines for comms then it's either that or PPP to move TCP/IP traffic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 2 10:46:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27467 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 18:47:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!seismo!ukma!news.cuny.edu!news From: ea8qc@qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for FAQ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 95 10:46:52 GMT Organization: Queens College, CUNY Lines: 5 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: qcvaxa.acc.qc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. If so how would I be able to obtain it. TIA Louis Bianchi From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 00:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28737 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28154 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 7 Mar 1995 19:08:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!zen From: zen@netcom.com (DEVRAJ URS) Subject: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 00:46:09 GMT Lines: 12 Sender: zen@netcom16.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Netters Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) ? Thanks dev -- Devraj Urs ( Dev ) Systems Integrator Practical Technology zen@netcom.com Compuserve: 74143,312 (714) 521 4678 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 02:57:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25890 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!news From: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 3 Mar 1995 02:57:47 GMT Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA Lines: 81 Message-Id: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Reply-To: bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: lucky136.acns.nwu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know that this must be a simple fix. Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. TIA, Ken -Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Type ? or HELP for help SOLARIS-DEV>connect Connecting to /dev/cua/a, speed 19200. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. Communications disconnect Can't read character: Operation would block (Back at multitude) SOLARIS-DEV> C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Protocol Parameters: Send Receive Timeout (used= 7): 7 10 Server Timeout: 0 Padding: 0 0 Block Check: 2 Pad Character: 0 0 Delay: 5 Packet Start: 1 1 Max Retries: 10 Packet End: 13 13 Packet Length: 2048 2048 Maximum Length: 9024 9024 Window Size: 3 set, 0 used Buffer Size: 9065 9065 Locking-Shift: enabled, not used File parameters: Attributes: on Names: literal Debugging Log: none Type: binary Packet Log: none Longest filename: 255 Collide: backup Session Log: none Longest pathname: 1024 Display: serial Transaction Log: none File Byte Size: 8, Incomplete Files: discard, Init file: .kermrc Communications Parameters: Line: /dev/cua/a, speed: 19200, mode: local, modem: courier Terminal bits: 8, parity: none, duplex: full, flow: rts/cts, handshake: none Carrier: auto, lockfile: /var/spool/locks/LCK..a Escape character: 28 (^\) Dial directory: (none) Dial hangup: on, dial modem-hangup: on Dial kermit-spoof: off, dial display: off Dial speed-matching: on, dial mnp-enable: off Dial init-string: ATQ0S2=43X4&M4\{13} Dial dial-command: ATD%s\{13} Dial prefix: (none) Dial timeout: 0 (auto), Redial number: (none) Modem signals unavailable Command bytesize: 7 bits Terminal bytesize: 8 bits Terminal echo: remote Terminal locking-shift: off Terminal newline-mode: off Terminal cr-display: normal Terminal character-set: transparent CONNECT-mode escape character: 28 (Ctrl-\, FS) Suspend: on -- Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA bwk722@lulu.acns.nwu.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 05:01:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 01:43:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!news.unimelb.EDU.AU!ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au!jonathan From: jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Message-Id: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Date: 3 Mar 95 16:01:40 +1100 Organization: The University of Melbourne Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing something here? Advice appreciated. Jonathan. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jonathan Ridler, Telephone: +61 3 344 7994 Information Technology Services, Fax: +61 3 347 4803 The University of Melbourne, Internet: jonathan@ucsvc.its.unimelb.edu.au Parkville, Vic., AUSTRALIA, 3052. X.121: 050523343000305::jonathan -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- $ type smtp.cmd ; KERMIT command file to test SMTP port. ; Thanks to Aaron Leonard @ TGV Inc. set host testbox 25 input 3 220 ; wait 3 secs for 220 banner if failure goto test_again ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :test_again ECHO SMTP did not respond - testing again. set host testbox 25 input 10 220 ; wait 10 secs for 220 banner if failure goto smtp_dead ECHO SMTP responded as expected. QUIT ; :smtp_dead ECHO SMTP is NOT responding! QUIT $ kermit smtp.cmd Executing SYS_SYSROOT:[KERMIT]CKERMIT.INI;3 for VMS... Good Afternoon! Trying 128.250.111.1... SMTP did not respond - testing again. %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual address=00000000, PC =0007FA31, PSL=03C00000 %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows module name routine name line rel PC abs PC CKUUS7 setlin 8438 00000211 0007FA31 CKUUS3 doprm 7133 0000026D 0007AB61 CKUUSR docmd 8056 0000207D 00069C3D CKUUS5 parser 7013 0000066A 0004EDFA CKCMAI main 6657 00000302 0004D702 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:00:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!not-for-mail From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit script wanted Date: 3 Mar 1995 15:10:50 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 310394BETA PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi there, Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming ;-). The scripts should contain: - error handling (output/input chatting with remote) - self executing script - self documented - good for learning kermit scripts In fact, I would like to make the simple script I have done for a paging service more foolproof and include error handling. However, if somebody already has written a IXO or ::number::message:: like kermit script, this would be very appreciated (I know tpage, but I will not have perl available on the machines I will install this script) Could somebody please give me a pointer? Thanks a lot Regards Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 3 15:13:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 04:13:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: ^^<< WINDOWS Kermit >>^^ FTP sites? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j4mau$s3h@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:13:15 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: helios@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mark Garcia (bb09320@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu) wrote: : Is there any FTP sites that I can download a version of Kermit : for windows? I 'd appreciate any and all help. MS-Kermit comes with a pif file and instructions for running in a DOS window. See thread "Kermit 3.14 and Winsock" for a native-Windows clone if you dare. I haven't tried it. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 03:09:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28373 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:51:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!panix3.panix.com!mpollak From: Michael Pollak Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 22:09:55 -0500 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and Unix, NYC Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix3.panix.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it would download as fast as zmodem: set send packet-length 9024 set receive packet-length 9024 set block 3 But instead I get two lines of error message, saying ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) ?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. __________________________________________________________________________ Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 4 03:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 08:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 3 Mar 1995 22:16:37 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: > >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post the version you're using when experiencing problems. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:30:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for FAQ Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: w Message-Id: <3jkf15$1q3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j47i6$13cu@news.cuny.edu>, wrote: >I was wondering if you folks know if there is a FAQ for this group. >If so how would I be able to obtain it. > Yes: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt It also goes by various other names, which are all links to the same file: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/e/faq.txt ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/fAQ.TXT etc. It is also accessible on the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit and then select "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:32:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:32:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) Needed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:32:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3jkf66$22e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , DEVRAJ URS wrote: >Where can I get a copy of Kermit for SUN OS 5.3 (Solaris 2.3) > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make solaris2x (for Sun compiler) make solaris2xg (for GCC) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:38:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:38:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can anyone help me with my solaris2 kermit connection? Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:38:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3jkfgb$2ln@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j60jb$3sf@news.acns.nwu.edu>, Kenneth W. Bueltmann, Jr. wrote: >Dear all, currently fighting with kermit, trying to establish a >connection. Dialing works fine, can't connect, error results below for >hardwire. Also enclosed are the settings, please help me out, I know >that this must be a simple fix. >Using SUNsparc1, solaris2.3, usr28.8 sportster,serial port A. >... >C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) > Say no more. Solaris != SunOS. You are running (a) an out of date version of Kermit, and (b) the wrong version. Please pick up version 5A(190) from kermit.columbia.edu, and then build it for Solaris, not for SunOS. See the instructions at the top of the makefile, and also read the ckuins.doc file for further installation instructions, and also be sure to read the Solaris section of the ckuker.bwr file for voluminous notes about problems with Solaris 2.3 (which mostly boil down to installing every Solaris patch you can get your hands on). Btw, preliminary reports about C-Kermit on Solaris 2.4 are good. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:46:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:46:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit script wanted Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:46:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Message-Id: <3jkfv9$38s@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7bhq$435@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Running kermit 5A(188) (by the way, is this an old version?), >I'm searching for kermit script examples (I'm not that good in programming >;-). The scripts should contain: > >- error handling (output/input chatting with remote) >- self executing script >- self documented >- good for learning kermit scripts > Please, if you want to learn how to write Kermit scripts, use the C-Kermit book. There are three chapters that show you everything, step by step. Every technique that you need to use is explained and illustrated by example. Would you try to program in C or Pascal or Perl without looking at a manual? Would you try to make a TeX document without ever looking at the TeX book? Sorry to keep responding to so many messages this way, but (a) we put a lot of work into these books and they answer most of the questions posted on this list, and (b) sales of the books are what pay for the software you are using. Daniel, you can get an idea of how to write Kermit scripts by looking at what is right under your nose: the ckermit.ini (.kermrc) file that is distributed with C-Kermit. As far as pagers are concerned, scripts for handling alphanumeric pagers were posted to this list, if I recall correctly, and one was also published in the previous issue of DEC Professional. For numeric pagers, see the hints in the FAQ, ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt. The C-Kermit manual is available in both English and German editions: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:53:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 09:54:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Date: 8 Mar 1995 14:53:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3jkge0$3uk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Michael Pollak wrote: >I was told that if I put the following lines in my MSKERMIT.INI file it >would download as fast as zmodem: > >set send packet-length 9024 >set receive packet-length 9024 >set block 3 > Yes, you can download with Kermit as fast as (or faster than) Zmodem, but the directions above are oversimplified. In general (assuming we are talking about dialup connections using modern modems), the following elements are necessary: 1. Hardware flow control 2. Long packets (but 9024 is overkill -- 1000 or 2000 should be enough) 3. Sliding windows ("set window 4" or thereabouts) 4. Control-character unprefixing (makes a difference for ZIP files, etc) See our FAQ for further information: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt >But instead I get two lines of error message, saying > >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) >?Choose a decimal number from 20 to 94 (normal) or to 2000 (long) > It looks like you are using either an ancient version of Kermit, or else some other (non-Kermit) software. The current version of Kermit for PCs is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, January 1995. The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190), October 1994. By the way, something is wrong with News here, and delivery of messages is delayed by a long time -- about a week. If all the messages that I am replying to have already been long since answered, my apologies for the duplications. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 14:37:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 11:32:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!ainews!aisb!simonpe From: simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Simon Perkins) Subject: Lost messages while interacting with Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Reply-To: Simon.Perkins@ed.ac.uk Organization: Dept of AI, University of Edinburgh, Scotland Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:37:06 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using C-Kermit 5A(190) on UNIX in local mode. While I am interacting with Kermit directly (i.e. while the C-Kermit> prompt is up), characters that get set by a remote host to the kermit terminal screen seem to just get lost. When I reconnect they don't reappear again as I seem to remeber they did on MS-DOS Kermit. Is there anyway of not losing this information? -- Simon Perkins simonpe@aisb.ed.ac.uk Dept. of AI, Edinburgh University. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:04:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:00:40 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:04:25 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Alex Hamlin (hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu) wrote: : I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large : improvement. : However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy : signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue : without hanging up. Your modem is responsible for recognizing the busy signal and sending text to the Kermit script. Check the new modem initializing strings against the old ones. You need something like E1X4 to check for busy and echo the result, but it may vary from model to model. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:17:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:01:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Getting Kermit up to zmodem speed Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3j8m2l$kpo@panix.com> Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 14:17:27 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Marshall G. Flax (mgflax@panix.com) wrote: : In article , : >What am I doing wrong and how can I fix it? Any help would be appreciated. : Sounds like an old version of kermit. In general, it's good to post : the version you're using when experiencing problems. To save Joe some typing :-) Start by getting the latest version of MSKermit and read the documentation. It tells you more than you need to know about the settings. It also tells you how to buy the book. As a preview, the advantage to long packets is that the overhead of checking for errors is about the same, so the fewer times you need it, the less is slows you down. Going from 90 to 1000-byte packets eliminates most of the overhead. Going longer than 1000 can't save more than 100% of the remaining overhead, so it becomes less important than other things you can adjust. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 14:08:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 14:09:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!ncar!newshost.lanl.gov!news.ttu.edu!news From: d.coons@ttu.edu (David Coons) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and busy signal Date: 4 Mar 1995 14:08:39 GMT Organization: Texas Tech University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3j9s97$pbd@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> References: <3j75d8$s2c@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: accs04-1.ttu.edu X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I just upgraded to ms kermit 3.14 and so far it seems like an large >improvement. >However I have found that it no longer seems to understand a busy >signal. When calling a busy number it just lets the tone continue >without hanging up. It's your modem's job to detect a busy, not Kermit's. If your modem type is in the \MODEMS subdirectory, add a SET MODEM ________ to MSCUSTOM.INI. Otherwise, you'll have to OUTPUT a string to the modem to let it detect a busy. The ATXn command controls this on most modems. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 21:55:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 8 Mar 1995 17:51:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!dgrisner From: "David G. Risner" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: waitfor command ? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 13:55:56 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 15 Message-Id: References: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3jakc0$l77@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I beleive what you are looking for is the INPUT command. For MS-Kermit the syntax is: INPUT [timeout] String to wait for This waits for the specified anmount of time, or the default time if there is not time specified, for the string to come over the COM port, telnet session, etc. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- David G. Risner dgrisner@crl.com Southwestern University School of Law Library Los Angeles, CA -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 08:03:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 03:26:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!news.eunet.fi!KremlSun!kiae!relcom!newsserv From: "Andrey V. Glukhov" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: Thu, 09 Mar 95 15:03:10 +0700 Distribution: world Organization: Commercial bank "Enisey" Message-Id: Sender: news-service@kiae.su Reply-To: andrey@ennet.krasnoyarsk.su X-Return-Path: kiae!ennet.krasnoyarsk.su!andrey Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all I have some problems with kermit script programming. My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). set count \ffiles(*.test) echo total of files: \v(count) :loop assign \%m \fnext(*.test) echo \%m ;open read \%m ;close read if count goto loop quit The result of playing the script above is: total of files: 5 1.test 2.test 3.test 4.test 5.test The result of playing the same script without semicolons is different. Why? total of files: 5 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test 1.test Best regards, Andrey Glukhov From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 10:55:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 07:47:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Wed, 8 Mar 1995 10:55:34 GMT Lines: 23 Sender: jzero@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: | Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: | 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server | 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit | and issue a GET command. | 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) | 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). | 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! | I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either | do nothing, or hang up my line. | How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? | --Lawrence. | -- After GET(ting) the file, type finish. Then esc back to Freenet's kermit. Now type quit. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 14:14:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 9 Mar 1995 09:14:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can't open the file in kermit script Date: 9 Mar 1995 14:14:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3jn2gh$nbu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrey V. Glukhov wrote: >Hi, all > >I have some problems with kermit script programming. >My C-Kermit version is 5A(189). > >set count \ffiles(*.test) >echo total of files: \v(count) >:loop >assign \%m \fnext(*.test) >echo \%m >;open read \%m >;close read >if count goto loop >quit > From the ckcker.bwr file: The following script program: set count \ffiles(oofa.*) :loop send \fnextfile() if count goto loop does not work as expected. The SEND command (and any other command that parses a filename, including TAKE) implicitly calls the same internal function that \ffiles() calls, and thus destroys the file list set up in the first line. To accomplish this type of operation: (1) give the wild filespec to \ffiles(); (2) loop through the file list and assign each filename to an array element; (3) use the array of filenames in subsequent file-related commands. Example: asg \%n \ffiles(\%1) declare \&f[\%n] for \%i 1 \%n 1 { asg \&f[\%i] \fnextfile() } for \%i 1 \%n 1 { - send \&f[\%i] - } - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:15:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28887 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:24:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:15:11 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: 132.246.156.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from MS-DOS KERMIT? Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 20:26:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:25:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hplextra!hplb!hpwin055.uksr!danielh From: danielh@hpber002.swiss.hp.com (Daniel Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 6 Mar 1995 20:26:13 GMT Organization: Swiss Response Center Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpber199.swiss.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 021193BETA PL3] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit script programming: Beside case - like branches in Kermit scripts I'd like to use other stuff. Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? At the end, I'd like to write a pager kermit script which handles errors from the paging service correctly.. Here is an example of such a case construct: ; ; some initial stuff comes first... ; ; :once_again dial \m(telepage) output ::\m(pagernumber)::\m(message):: ; ; now how do I do this? ; case input 00~OK) goto OK ; call accepted 10~sNOT~sOK) goto 10_NOK ; protocoll error 11~sNOT~sOK) goto 11_NOK ; message too long ... ; other error codes come here ... ... 55~sNOT~sOK sleep 30 - hangup - goto once_again ; network overload done :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end :11_NOK echo protocol error hangup goto end ... ... :end exit (I'm not that good in programming.....) Any pointers and other help is greatly appreciated... Daniel -- Daniel Huber, RCO, HP Niederwangen (8700), Switzerland SMTP: danielh@hpber199.swiss.hp.com (or Daniel_Huber@hp8700.desk.hp.com) X.400: /G=Daniel/S=Huber/OU=HP8700/O=HP/P=HP/A=ArCom/C=CH/ If a train station is where a train stops, then what's a workstation? --- Opinions Expressed Above Are My Owns --- From news@columbia.edu Tue Feb 28 10:09:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29422 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 04:38:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!Radio-MSU.net!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Date: 28 Feb 1995 10:09:52 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? Thanking you in advance Peter P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email address, because our news stuff here lags several days. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 03:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 07:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 03:28:59 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3jgjts$i4s@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:57:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 10:57:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Case construct in Kermit script? Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:57:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3jpsth$22k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS ... end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 12:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 11:20:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar10.081548.528@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:15:48 -0400 References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: >> how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i >> know old PCLink could do it. > ------------- > You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and What you may be looking for is control-s for stop scrolling, control-q for start scrolling. That it? JIm /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 23:56:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:30:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> <3jfcsc$rht@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 23:56:39 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : You don't need 14400 and 28800 if your modem supports speed buffering : (most modern modems do). Just set the modem's interface speed to : 38400 (the highest speed supported by SunOS 4.1.x) and lock it there, I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at 38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster might have to do the same. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 09:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16416 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 19:47:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) ACCVIO. Date: 7 Mar 1995 09:44:28 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3jh9ts$h0i@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar3.160140.7722@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au>, jonathan@ucsvc.ucs.unimelb.edu.au writes: >I am running C-Kermit 5A(190) on OpenVMS VAX v5.5-2. With a relatively >trivial script, C-Kermit gets an ACCVIO. This only occurs if the SMTP >test being performed is unsuccessful - a successful test causes no >problem. Is this a known bug (with bugfix?)? ... or am I missing >something here? I had a similar problem. After all I found that C-Kermit will crash when it tries to send characters while it already receives data in a script. Thus, you'll have to ensure that your script doesn't send any commands while there are still characters arriving. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 07:59:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 20:03:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: It's been asked a million times before... Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 07:59:36 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: jzero@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu crszczub@cse.utoledo.edu (craig szczublewski) writes: | But I'll ask it again (since I lost the thread from so long ago) | how do I send/receive a file zmodem/xmodem/ymodem/etc through kermit | on a unix based system. I have a site I need to upload files to, but It | only has zmodem (no kermit) and I want to use kermit to connect to it from | an AIX box. Posted a while back was a solution that was in the form of a | macro that called sz from a shell command. Does anyone know how to do | this? | thank you in advance I got this from someone else on this newsgroup (don't remember who) to be added to .kermrc : define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 4 17:40:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 10 Mar 1995 21:38:11 -0500 Control: cancel <1995Feb26.184656.24442@lafn.org> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!netcomsv!lafn.org!lafn.org!ac388 From: ac388@lafn.org Subject: cancel Message-Id: <1995Mar4.174043.23707@lafn.org> Sender: news@lafn.org Nntp-Posting-Host: lafn.org Organization: Los Angeles Free-Net Date: Sat, 4 Mar 1995 17:40:43 GMT Approved: news@lafn.org Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Article cancelled from nr -- cdl [ac388@lafn.org] ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 6 21:07:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 00:34:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!freenet.buffalo.edu!ba177 From: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Subject: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: freenet.buffalo.edu Reply-To: ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) Organization: State University of New York At Buffalo, NY (USA) Date: Mon, 6 Mar 1995 21:07:52 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit and issue a GET command. 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either do nothing, or hang up my line. How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? --Lawrence. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 21:06:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08149 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 01:56:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!EU.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script guru help needed... Date: 7 Mar 1995 21:06:05 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3jihrt$mt7@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How come my script commands work fine when I enter them by hand but won't when the script executes them? Is there a timing issue? Do I need to use "expect-send" sequences so that the script knows when to send the next command? My script (or the significant lines) look like: script -- kermit~s~055i~s~055x~s~055e~s1000 get filename.ext This works if I type the command, it doesn't when the script executes. Thanks in advance... racerx From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 22:02:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09225 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 02:35:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!news From: Antonio Querubin Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? In-Reply-To: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Mar 1995 22:02:59 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. > > However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers > then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil > support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port > using OS/2 services. But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't MS-Kermit? I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:56:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 12:56:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Date: 11 Mar 1995 17:56:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 72 Message-Id: <3jso96$53j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > >But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP >as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept >it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't >MS-Kermit? I can't help you here. >I have existing DOS applications that depend on MS-Kermit scripts to >perform downloads. It would be nice to keep everything all running in >the same DOS session and not have to generate a different CMD file and >C-Kermit script just because I'm running under OS/2. The script languages for MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (in the latest versions) are nearly identical. That should not be breaking issue. And where you do have differences they can easily be handled by checking the \v(program) variable. >And as for MS-Kermit and SIO, why even deal with the FOSSIL interface when >I could probably use VMODEM (never tried VMODEM with MS-Kermit though)? >Either way though SIO costs money. COMTCP is free with the OS/2 IAK. I >just want it to work with MS-Kermit. So... is the problem with COMTCP or >with MS-Kermit? Documentation for COMTCP is virtually non-existent yet it >works as one would expect a Comm port - Telnet redirector should. >Ms-Kermit appears to be one of the exceptions. You don't understand the interactions of the various components. COMTCP works by intercepting the BIOS software interrupts for the COM port. It then calls a DOS Device driver (VDOSTCP.SYS) which in turn is just an interface to a Virtual Device (VDOSTCP.VDD) which then calls a monitor (VDOSCTL.EXE) which eventually speaks to the real IP protocol stack. Great if it works. Obviously it doesn't with MS-DOS Kermit. So if you want to use MS-DOS Kermit what else can you do? Well, Ray Gwinn's SIO package provides several tools. Lets's start with the serial ports. SIO.SYS is an OS/2 serial port driver which can create a virtual COM port which can be monitored by VMODEM.EXE. Anything sent to this virtual COM port will insteadbe redirected to the IP protocol stack via a Telnet session. Now the question is how do you communicate between MS-DOS Kermit and SIO.SYS. Well, there are two interfaces that Ray provides. First is VSIO.SYS which provides a virtualized 16550 UART for the virtual COM port. The second is VX00.SYS, a fossil interface which has zero overhead in communicating with the SIO.SYS driver since it doesn't have to worry about simulating hardware. Now you tell me, which one do you want to use given that MS-DOS Kermit supports both a 16550 and Fossil? I choose the Fossil interface. No overhead, and MS-DOS Kermit will have serial performance equal to OS/2 applications when handling serial devices. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 03:15:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 13:00:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: compatibility with OS/2 COMTCP? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.091510.43993@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 09:15:10 MDT References: <199503071546.AA24988@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin writes: > On Tue, 7 Mar 1995, Jeffrey Altman wrote: > >> I just tried it and wasn't able to get it to work either. >> >> However, if you are willing to spend some money for Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers >> then you could use Ray Gwinn's SIO package to provide lightning fast Fossil >> support for MS-DOS Kermit and then map a Telnet session to a DOS Com port >> using OS/2 services. > > But the point here is that MS-Kermit should be able to work with COMTCP > as long as it does the I/O through the BIOS so that COMTCP can intercept > it. Other terminal emulators work with COMTCP. If they can why can't > MS-Kermit? This discussion is rather short on informational material and long on complaints. I have not seen COMTCP so I have on idea of what things it does or wants. Suffice it to say MSK does work fine with BIOS ports, and with Int 14h shims of various kinds for various networks. My only guess is COMTCP expects a certain, unstated, sequence of events from the application program before it will work "properly" (whatever that might mean in your situation). Without COMTCP at hand (I have OS/2 2.10 and its TCP/IP stack) there is nothing more I can say on the matter. Further hints would be welcomed. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 05:07:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:03:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar11.110705.44383@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 11:07:05 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a > 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem > connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. > > Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 > and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, > this happens: > > I type AT > I get ATT or just A > > Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like > ATDDT5551134 > > Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: > > Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and > 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. > No effect. > > Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems > communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. > I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. > But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these > apps. ------------ Gee, I dunno. It it the sending or receiving end, I wonder. If you ATDTnumber and it dials ok yet the screen shows dups then it's the receiving end. In such a case I'd say replace the serial cable with a better and shorter one. I'd also be suspicious of 16550A class UARTs implemented on big square chips because some have noted snafus. Insert here the ususal comments about avoiding hardware conflicts and helpful TSRs, and not configuring the machine for too much speed (wait states, similar), etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 05:02:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 14:47:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you exit Server mode? Message-Id: <1995Mar8.110258.44008@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Mar 95 11:02:58 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ba177@freenet.buffalo.edu (Lawrence Puente) writes: > > Ok, here's what I do and everything works up until the last step: > > 1) From the Buffalo Freenet menus I choose Send File/Kermit Server > 2) The Freenet enters server mode and tells me to escape to my kermit > and issue a GET command. > 3) I invoke KERLITE (MS-DOS Kermit 3.14) > 4) I SET various options and GET the file (this part works). > 5) I type EXIT. The Freenet is still in server mode!! > I've tried BYE, FINISH, and various other commands but they either > do nothing, or hang up my line. > > How do I tell the Freenet site to exit the server mode? > --Lawrence. ------------ Send FINISH to end Kermit protocol mode, then Connect to resume interactive conversation. BYE does FINISH and logs out. It's all in the manual and the HELP screen. Kermit-Lite has no Connect mode so you can't talk interactively through it. It's possible that you or the BBS has turned off recognition of FIN/BYE (a DISABLE command) on their Kermit, and that leaves you with only hanging up your end. If this were the case you'd need to tell the BBS operator to fix their end. So what Kermit were you using on your desktop? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:17:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:37:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:17:10 MDT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. > > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. > > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? > > Thanking you in advance > > Peter > > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. > -- > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY --------------- All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and they can't really avoid doing so. The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that simple. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:18:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14384 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: unix kermit server timeout Message-Id: <1995Mar11.091826.44367@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:18:26 MDT References: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it>, Francesco Ruggiero writes: > Hi > > I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). > > How can I set this ? ---------------- Manual time. SET SERVER ? to see options, including timeout. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 03:21:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:39:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 15:38:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Message-Id: <1995Mar11.092122.44369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Mar 95 09:21:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com writes: > HELP! > I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a > function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a > user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape > codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter > autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the > screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence > so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just > display it on the screen? Chances are excellent that your host is not sending the ESC byte. Turn on MSK Connect mode debugging by SET DEBUG ON and view the material sent by the host. Or use LOG SESSION to see the bytes in binary form. > P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what > looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to > PRN. Why do I get this screen dump Works ok here. I can't say why you'd get a screenfull of garbage. Any hints? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 02:01:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10325 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.080200.44117@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 08:01:59 MDT References: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net>, racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) writes: > When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), > my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to > break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. > > Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! > > What is the syntax for scripting this??? > > I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p > > but no luck. > > Thanks In Advance, > > racerx --------------- SHOW KEY, press Control-P, see Kermit decimal code \16. This is in the manual and docs. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 17:57:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!decwrl!enews.sgi.com!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why can't I use 14.4K Message-Id: References: <3j4p34$foj@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Wed, 08 Mar 1995 09:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 118 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >I've found on our Sun 4/330 that SunOS 4.1.3 can't keep up with a modem at >38400. Too many lost characters between the modem to the serial port. >I have to throttle the modem (a V.34) back to 19200. The original poster >might have to do the same. Here's a way to speedup SparcStations ability to handle higher data rates on the builtin serial ports. -scott /* 10:03 AM Jul 11, 1994 por adar0@routers.com en igc:comp.sun.admin */ /* ---------- "SunOS patches req'd for PPP/SLIP" ---------- */ Netters, There has been a number of questions over the last several months about the which patches (if any) are required on SunOS 4.1.x systems to make PPP and/or SLIP reliable. I've assembled responses from several individuals and summarized them in the note below. Thanks to all who responded. If there are any questions, please send them via email direct. Enjoy, Rich Adamson adar0@routers.com Sun Workstation OS Patches for Serial Ports ------------------------------------------- Author: Rich Adamson (adar0@routers.com) The Router Exchange, Inc. Date: July 11, 1994 There has been a lot of discussion in various news groups relative to the possible need to apply Operating System patches to SunOS 4.1.x systems in order to have pppd function reliably. The note you are reading should help explain the technical need for these patches. This note applies to all versions of SunOS 4.1.x, including the current shipment of 4.1.3_U1 from Sun. The patch required is: For SunOS 4.1.x systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/100513-04.tar.Z For SunOS 4.1.3_U1 systems, Sunsolve1.sun.com /pub/patches/101621-02.tar.Z (Note: These have also been available on cs.columbia.edu /archives/mirror3/sun-patches/100513-04.tar.gz watserv1.waterloo.edu /sun_patches/100513-04.tar.Z) Either patch will require rebuilding the kernel to incorporate the fix. Technical Detail: ----------------- Most of the inservice Sun workstations use a Z85C30 Integrated Circuit to handle built-in serial ports. The Z85C30 generates a system interrupt for each incoming character. Therefore for each baud rate noted in the table below, system interrupts will occur at the following approximate rates: Serial Port Speed Interrupts Occur ----------- ----------------------- 9,600 baud every 1040 microseconds 19,200 baud every 520 " 38,400 baud every 260 " 76,800 baud every 130 " A typical IPC or IPX workstation cannot handle system interrupts any faster than about 19,200 baud while an SS5 workstation is limited to about 38,400 baud. The ability of a system to handle higher baud rates is directly related to the speed of the system processor and other higher priority system level activity. As each incoming character arrives on a Sun built-in serial port, an interrupt is generated by the Z85C30. The system processor responds to this interrupt taking the character from the Z85C30 and placing it in a ring buffer. The ring buffer is essentially emptied by the pppd application, and then passed to whatever application (eg, telnet, ftp, mail) it was destined for. If the built-in serial port is set to a speed that is faster than what the system interrupt structure is capable of handling, silo overflows will occur. If the application (pppd) is not allowed sufficient processing time to empty the ring buffer, then ring buffer overruns will occur. The Request-to-Send (RTS) and Clear-to-Send (CTS) pins on an RS232 serial interface cable are used to provide hardware flow control of OUTGOING data from the Sun to the modem. There are no equivalent pins defined on the RS232 serial interface to provide incoming hardware flow control. Although the patches noted above are often referred to as RTSCTS hardware flow control fixes, the patches actually do not implement any form of incoming "hardware" flow control. Rather the patches deal with the efficiency of handling internal system interrupts and the size of the ring buffer used as temporary incoming data storage. Incoming data flow control (or lack thereof) can be easily seen by initiating a large file transfer into the Sun via the pppd serial port, and while the transfer is occuring, initiate another process to 'find' a file or simply execute a 'df' command to produce other activity on the same system. You will either notice an interruption and long delay in the incoming ftp data, or system logged errors such as the silo overflow and/or ring buffer overruns. The long delay is typically TCP/IP timeouts and error recovery processing. Without the patch, the ppp session can be dropped or blown off-line in unpredicable ways. Summary: -------- Sun workstations running pppd can operate very reliably, however the reliability decreases as the built-in serial port speed increases. This is a function of the SunOS system, not pppd. The best that current 14.4kb async modems with compression can accomplish is about 19.2kb effective throughput, therefore setting a Sun workstation's serial port to 19.2kb is very close to the most efficient speed possible for both the Sun system and modem, with the Sun patches noted above installed. Without the patches, a built-in serial port speed of 7,200 or 9,600 baud is likely to be the maximum speed for reliable operation before TCP/IP retransmissions and silo overflows occur. Your mileage may vary. If speeds above 19.2kb are required, add-on SBus serial cards are available from various sources that can sustain higher baud rates then the built-in ports. This author has no direct experience with these add-on cards. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 07:34:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar9.133443.44166@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Mar 95 13:34:42 MDT References: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i > know old PCLink could do it. ------------- You can't. Scroll Lock is hidden deep within the system Bios and not revealed to applications. Kermit does not play systems stealing games to intercept below the keyboard Bios, nor is there a need to do so. Leave it alone is my advice for you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 8 23:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pulsar.sky.net!solar.sky.net!racerx From: racerx@solar.sky.net (Ken Pearce) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do I script a [CTRL-P]??? Date: 8 Mar 1995 23:23:42 GMT Organization: SkyNET Corporation Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3jle9u$23i@pulsar.sky.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: solar.sky.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I manually attach to a remote system using kermit (on a Vax), my WAN equipment dictates that I must hit a CTRL-P (control p) to break my current WAN connection so that I may re-establish another. Typing this on the keyboard (vt420) works fine! What is the syntax for scripting this??? I've tried script -- ~o20 and script -- \^p but no luck. Thanks In Advance, racerx From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 15:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 10 Mar 1995 15:21:30 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 32 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have to do is: 1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another 2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the machine from (1). 3. download a data set. As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 16:09:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Prefixing KERMIT ESC sequences Date: Fri, 10 Mar 1995 08:17:12 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 21 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I am running an appl. called MAPPER on a Unisys U6000 UNIX box. MAPPER has a function called OUV (Output User Variable) which displays the contents of a user variable on the screen. I would like to use this function to send escape codes back to KERMIT. I have defined a variable = ESC[?5i to enter autoprint. My problem is that the OUV function displays [?5i on the screen and is not interpreted by Kermit. Am I supposed to prefix this sequence so KERMIT knows to interpret the following escape sequence and not just display it on the screen? P.S> When I type SET PRINTER PRN in command mode I get a screen full of what looks like the tail end of a macro definition, but the printer is reset to PRN. Why do I get this screen dump |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 02:44:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 11 Mar 1995 16:09:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Message-Id: <1995Mar10.084413.44252@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Mar 95 08:44:12 MDT References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system > version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 > keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS > that require these keys > > TIA - Dale ------------- Please do read the documentation, in this case either the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or even the technical file msvibm.vt. Those DEC keys are all keyboard verbs and you can attach them to keys by name, but they are not preassigned to keys in the shipped product. Use SET KEY to tie \Kverbs to keys, use a query mark (?) for a definition to see all the keyboard verb names on-line. The current release of MS-DOS Kermit is v3.14, which you may acquire from kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for file msvibm.zip as a quick-start bundle. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 03:22:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 02:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 9 Mar 1995 03:22:29 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3jls9l$1sr@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu how can i remap the scroll lock key, i get no scan code from it, but i know old PCLink could do it. thanks From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 11 17:30:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 05:13:58 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: Linux ? Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 17:30:28 GMT Lines: 9 Sender: tstevens@netcom14.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. Ted Stevens -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:42:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:03:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:42:30 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu>, > Michael J. Mettler wrote: >>I recently purchased a USR Sportster 14.4 modem to do some >>work from home. I am using MSKermit 3.13 and doing a lot of >>downloading of compressed files. What kind of speed should I >>be getting? I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') >> > If you're transferring precompressed files (such as ZIP files), > that will be about tops for a V.32bis (14400 bps) connection, > no matter what protocol you use. You evidently have already > tuned Kermit for peak performance, and so do not need to be > directed to the FAQ for hints on this subject. > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem >>the same as mine. Any ideas? >> > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > rate. > > - Frank Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 7 11:55:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21726 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 08:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!carbon!castle!jsmithgoldsm From: jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 7 Mar 95 17:55:13 MDT Organization: University of Colorado at Denver Lines: 3 Distribution: world Message-Id: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: castle.cudenver.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 20:15:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13632 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 09:13:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!comp.vuw.ac.nz!canterbury.ac.nz!huia!dunnmj3 From: dunnmj3@cantva.canterbury.ac.nz (Dunn Michael J) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Uploads with Zmodem/kermit Date: 9 Mar 1995 20:15:32 GMT Organization: University of Canterbury Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3jnnl4$6uv@cantua.canterbury.ac.nz> Nntp-Posting-Host: huia.canterbury.ac.nz X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do you get Zmodem (sz/rz) to upload? I have put the line redirecting std input & output to /dev/modem but I cant get it to work .It just hangs ? Im using a Zyxel u-1496 at home running linux dialing into another unix machine. Could I need something in my .kermrc at the server end? Cheers Mike Dunn From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 15:39:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 11:32:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 12 Mar 1995 08:39:48 -0700 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, when i was composing a letter in pine. does this ring a bell with anyone? any advice? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 03:26:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 12:12:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Message-Id: <1995Mar12.092643.44450@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 95 09:26:43 MDT References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, jsmithgoldsm@castle.cudenver.edu writes: > Hi. I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I > would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via > modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. ----------- Tell one Kermit SERVER. That starts Kermit protocol mode listening on the selected communications channel. Please do have a look at the user's manual (HELP screen two) which has lots of explanations of how things work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 11:22:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03247 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 13:35:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!ghost.dsi.unimi.it!berlioz.crs4.it!usenet From: Francesco Ruggiero Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: unix kermit server timeout Date: 10 Mar 1995 11:22:56 GMT Organization: CRS4, Center for Adv. Studies, Research and Development in Sardinia Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3jpcqg$ko8@berlioz.crs4.it> Nntp-Posting-Host: vol.vol.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Url: news:comp.protocols.kermit.misc Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I want to put a time limit on the server ( for example an hour ). How can I set this ? PS:please CC:ruggiero@vol.it -- Francesco Ruggiero =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 21:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 16:58:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:09:45 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a 486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, this happens: I type AT I get ATT or just A Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like ATDDT5551134 Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and 2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. No effect. Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. Any ideas? Mail me and post here. -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 9 13:25:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 18:17:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 9 Mar 1995 13:25:19 GMT Organization: none-set Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS that require these keys TIA - Dale From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 12 23:53:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 12 Mar 1995 19:20:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals Date: 12 Mar 1995 18:53:28 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 15 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't help much. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:12:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX Kermiting help needed.... Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:12:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k1js9$c3u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpqpq$6av@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >I'm trying to use C-KERMIT to download some data. What I have >to do is: >1. from my UNIX machine, telnet to another >2. call the data site using a modem pool connected to the > machine from (1). >3. download a data set. >As I understand it (and I really don't) I need to use KERMIT to >TELNET to the 2nd UNIX machine then call from that telnet connection, >then SOMEHOW get the KERMIT session I started from to receive a >data file from the machine I'm modem connected to. >I need to understand this better and would LOVE a kermit script >that I can work from.... I can't even find any KERMIT docs on >my SOLARIS machine....anybody have docs online?? > The docs are the printed manual, "Using C-Kermit", which explain exactly what you need to do, step by step. You need to understand each step, as it applies to your particular connection, before you should even think about writing -- or working from -- a script. Somebody else's script does not know the details of your connection. Do it by hand first, and then automate it afterwards. The manual shows you exactly how to do this. Briefly: 1. Start C-Kermit on the first UNIX machine. 2. Tell it to telnet to the second UNIX machine. 3. Log in to the 2nd UNIX machine and start Kermit there. 4. Tell the remote Kermit program to SEND the desired file. 5. Escape back to the first Kermit (Ctrl-\c) and tell it to RECEIVE. For greater detail, please consult the manual: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0 US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 90,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:18:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:18:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to VT300 Keyboard Mapping Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:18:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3k1k86$cmq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jmvjv$8e$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Dale Hoehne <70004.3131@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Currently using IBM pc as terminal connections to a VAX8530 VMS system >version 3.11 using vt300.ini .. Need to know how the f12 thru f20 >keys remap on the standard pc keyboard.. We use Wordperfect for VMS >that require these keys > (a) Please upgrade to the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14. (b) Read the VT300.DOC and VT300.INI files, which explain the mappings. (c) Since you will undoubtedly want to change things around (no two people like the same key mappings), read the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", about key mapping. (d) VMS WordPerfect comes with MS-DOS Kermit support files which do their own mappings. If you set up VMS WordPerfect according to instructions, it will take care of everything itself. Also read the section on WordPerfect in the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the v3.14 MS-DOS Kermit diskette. There are various version dependencies that you should read about. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:27:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:27:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:27:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >I'm running MS-Kermit v3.14 on a new PC that I just bought. It is a >486DX2-80. The serial UART is a 16550. I have a 28.8 (v.fc) modem >connected to COM2 via DB25 connector. >Initially I ran Kermit "straight out of the box" and said SET PORT COM2 >and SET SPEED 115200. When I do a connect and try to key in AT commands, >this happens: >I type AT >I get ATT or just A >Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >ATDDT5551134 >Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >No effect. >Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > Thanks. The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. In this case, the reason that Winsock appears to work and Kermit doesn't is that Winsock only delivers error-corrected (by TCP and IP) data, whereas Kermit -- as a serial communications program -- delivers each byte it receives. Of course, you can also run Kermit over a SLIP driver and invoke its own built-in TCP/IP stack. This would eliminate the appearance of errors, but it would not eliminate the errors themselves. However, performance would be quite poor, not only because of the TCP and IP overhead, but also because of the retransmissions that would be required to overcome the errors. Note that the modem's error correction probably has no relevence here, since the errors are evidently originating from outside the connection between the two modems. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:43:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:43:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:43:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3k1lmd$end@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Edward Stevens wrote: > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then: make linux which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. Please be sure to also order the manual, since it shows you how to use the software and how to get the most out of it, and sales of the manual are the primary source of income that pays for our work. Type "help" at the C-Kermit> prompt for further info. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 14:49:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 09:49:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 14:49:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, >but when i am just using the tin newsreader at my access provider, >i sometimes get beeps or lines staying highlighted while others >are highlighted, when i am choosing an article, and recently >after using lynx i had some funny characters appearing occasionally, >when i was composing a letter in pine. > It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but my first four guesses would be: 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the other end of your modem connection. 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host is UNIX based. 4. Noise. So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:01:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3k1mp0$g5m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, James M. McClain wrote: >I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe >advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there >would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are >really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and >sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so >we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question >here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. > >My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which >come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't >help much. > While you're at it, why don't you recommend that everybody who uses shareware not pay for it? And that everybody who wants to use commercial software steal it from the computer store? Usually both ends are not needed -- usually one manual suffices. Price: $36.95. Proceeds from manual sales are what pay for the software you are using, just as registration fees pay for the work of shareware authors, and retail prices pay for the work of commercial software producers. We appreciate that you study the manuals and docs before posting a question, but that is not true for everybody. We try to "pre-answer" most questions in the manuals and online help and "beware" files. We are perfectly willing to help with other questions that are not answered in those places -- and more often than not, also with ones that are -- as you will see by following this list for any length of time. And most questions that are posted to this list, and that are sent to our email tech support address, and that are called in on the phone, and that are faxed to us... *are* answered in the published documentation. It is not so much to ask that those who use our software help contribute to its continued existence and growth by abiding by our wishes and purchasing the documentation. For questions not covered there, we are happy to provide tech support. And in so doing, we learn which areas need better coverage in future editions of the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:35:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:36:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PC to PC with Kermit? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:35:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k1ool$im7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar7.175513@castle.cudenver.edu>, wrote: >I currently use Kermit (3.13) to access my university computer from home. I >would like to know if its possible to access another pc (using Kermit) via >modem to exchange files. How would it work? Thanks. > Covered in Chapters 10 and 11 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". Basically, put your home modem in answer mode (usually via ATS0=1), put Kermit in server mode or (more dangerously) in CTTY COMx mode. For further details, please read the manual -- it's all there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 15:04:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 10:45:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!risky.ecs.umass.edu!alex.ecs.umass.edu!langlois From: langlois@alex.ecs.umass.edu (Philip M. Langlois) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:04:53 GMT Organization: University of Massachusetts, Amherst Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k1mul$ob6@risky.ecs.umass.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: alex.ecs.umass.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : Ted Stevens : -- : >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< : <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> : >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< : <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> I downloaded version 190 (Oct. 94) from kermit.columbia.edu. One of the subdirectories has 'cku190.tar.gz'. The makefile has a couple of linux options..make linux, make linuxftp, etc. I had to edit the makefile (as it mentions) to make it smaller, and I also had to change 'lncurses' to 'lcurses' (also mentioned). If you want a binary, I think sunsite.unc.edu and its mirrors has version 189 in /pub/Linux/apps/comm or someting like that. Phil Langlois From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:18:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:27:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14/hebrew, & tin & pine Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:18:44 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k22a4$sch@news-2.csn.net> References: <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu> <3k1m1m$f7t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3jv4k4$ion@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, : Gideon Weisz wrote: : >i am running 3.14 in my pc, and routinely connecting with my internet : >provider with a vt220 terminal, after having run "hebrew" in my : >kermit. telnetting etc to hebrew places works fine, LINES DELETED HERE : > : It's hard to say what is wrong without more complete evidence, but : my first four guesses would be: : 1. Lack of adequate flow control. You should be using RTS/CTS : flow control between MS-DOS Kermit and your modem, and hopefully : (but no guarantees!) there is also adequate flow control at the : other end of your modem connection. : 2. Disagreement between the host application (such as Lynx) and : Kermit about your terminal type, such that the application is : sending inappropriate characters or escape sequences. : 3. A faulty "termcap" for your terminal type, assuming your host : is UNIX based. : 4. Noise. : So make sure your host terminal type agrees with Kermit's, and make : sure you have the flow control working right. If the problem does : not go away, contact kermit@columbia.edu for more in-depth support. : - Frank Thanks for the suggestions but none of the four guesses happens to be relevant in this case. and now, a worse problem has occurred, which i will post (see 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix?) meanwhile, i will see if i can get help as you suggested, from kermit@columbia.edu Thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 18:20:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:28:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14/www/hebrew bug? fix? Date: 13 Mar 1995 18:20:15 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3k22cv$sch@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu using mskermit 3.14 and its hebrew option, i ran into trouble twice while doing www on lynx (though all was fine for a long time, first). i got funny characters on the screen, suddenly, and they stayed even after the modem hung up. they would go away when i got out of the connect mode, but come back whenever i would connect (until i went all the way to dos, and then kermit started normally again). in the connect screen, i could produce this set of characters by striking the usual keyboard keys, so the ascii numbers associated with lowercase letters (97 and on) were producing the weird screen characters. i could produce the very same characters by using the usual ibm keyboard trick (ascii 97, which is normally a, can be produced by pressing alt, and then hitting 9 and 7 on the numeric keypad before releasing alt, etc). pressing "a" produced a vertical shaded rectangle, with shading lines skewed from upper left to lower right "b" produced a rightward arrow c a vertical two headed arrow (up/down) on an underscore d left arrow e down arrow f degree symbol (little circle, high) g plus or minus sign etcetera i know that some of these are normally control characters meanwhile, uppercase letters were fine the range from ascii 128 on (to 155) seemed fine, i noticed and so was the range from 224 on(to 250), i also happened to notice (these two ranges happen to be particularly relevant to hebrew) THE MAIN TWO QUESTIONS: 1) what's the cause and, more importantly... 2) is there any way within a kermit session to get a fresh start? any advice would be appreciated thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:56:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15459 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 14:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: KERMIT-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:56:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3k2823$9br@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jfqgf$s4t@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick wrote: >Can Kermit-370 version 4.2.5 for IBM mainframes receive mail from >MS-DOS KERMIT? I assume you mean the MAIL subcommand of MSK, which works like SEND, except that it directs the file to be sent off as e-mail upon reception. The answer is yes. The Kermit distribution includes a file called IKCAUX CMD, which includes sample implementations of some Kermit-CMS utilities, including the KERMAIL EXEC that performs the necessary e-mail functions. Tailor it to your needs and install. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 17:37:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14043 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 13 Mar 1995 15:50:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI1.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 13 Mar 1995 17:37:08 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi1.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. Any ideas? Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 19:40:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 03:37:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!acsc.com!news.trw.com!venice!venice!not-for-mail From: rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com (Ron Orr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Binary file expansion Date: 13 Mar 1995 11:40:24 -0800 Organization: TRW Data Technologies Division, Carson CA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: venice.sedd.trw.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's an interesting problem: When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed the xfer as going on in binary mode. I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? Any suggestions? -- Ronald N. Orr, TRW SEDD, PO Box 3099, Manhattan Beach CA 90266-1099 voice: (310)764-9138 fax:(310)764-3946, rorr@venice.sedd.trw.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 20:20:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 04:10:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!fonorola!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 13 Mar 1995 15:20:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 55 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k29dn$s9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> |> |> I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe |> advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there |> would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are |> really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and |> sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so |> we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question |> here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. |> |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. |> |> Mac My experience with the Kermit books is completely opposite to Mr. McClain's. The original book, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is worth the price for its incredibly clear explanations of serial communications. It was published in 1987 so naturally it is no longer the definitive reference for Kermit. "Using MS-DOS Kermit" can be daunting but the only sections I've found obscure are the Appendices. However, these are mostly tables of escape sequences for the various terminal emulations. This is not information that the average user needs to know. However, I consider it a selling point of the book that the information is there for the technician who would otherwise have great difficulty finding these tables. I also have "Using C-Kermit" but have not read that much of it. I have no doubt that it is well-written, I simply haven't needed to refer to it. So based on my experience I conclude that "both ends" are not needed for the average user. Finally, the comment that the manual is "sometimes just plain wrong" is undoubtedly true. However, I have found *very* few outright mistakes from my reading. Most of the inaccuracies are because the books are static whereas, the programs, fortunately for us, continue to evolve. The recent features are covered well in the supplemental ".upd" and ".bwr" files. My recommendation is that anyone responsible for supporting Kermit should buy all three books. Anyone who is impressed by fine technical writing and wants to understand serial communications should buy the original. And anyone who wants to support the Kermit effort or enjoys exploiting the full potential of the software they use should buy either the MS-DOS or the C-Kermit manuals depending on their platform. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 09:33:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 05:11:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 04:33:45 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank gives us more bemusement: Kermit docs make it quite clear that Kermit is not shareware or that a user is somehow obligated to BUY the Manuals (all three of which are needed for both ends for most sysops at $85). Frank seems to through in this spurious argument just to confuse - just as the docs confuse. It would seem that the real reason to be up tight about the purchase of the Mans is that Frank's salary come from the proceeds, not because they are helpful. Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally incomprehensable. What I suggest is that rather than spend time here trying to defend the kermit docs, why not get someone who can write to rewrite them. Mac From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 12:06:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 07:04:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Message-Id: <1995Mar13.180643.44641@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Mar 95 18:06:42 MDT References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: > I must confess being bemused at the constant drone of Frank and Joe Gee, and all along I thought drones were *supposed* to be constant. Bagpipes and such. Learn something new every day, thanks. > advising that we look first in the manual and docs -- looking there > would normally be routine, but in this case the manual and docs are > really rather daunting. They are usually more thatn obscure and > sometimes just plain wrong. This is why we all participate here; so > we can get the denseness explained. I for one, when I ask a question > here, it is after several hours of studying the manual and docs. I can't comment incisively (sp?) without knowing the item(s) to which you refer. The books are not what I and many others would describe as daunting or more than obscure etc. They do have a few errors, as all docs do, and times change to obsolete some particular features. Those that do vanish are covered in the .UPD and .BWR files issued with each release. > My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which > come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't > help much. You are welcome to advise, of course, and my advice would be the opposite because the users are better off knowing than not knowing. Also, it saves much wear and tear on the readership (including me) to not have to restate the manuals . You can save me playing back the rtfm recording by giving us a tip that you did dig but came back with no treasure. Thanks and no offence taken, Joe D. > Mac From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 12:53:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:08:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!gdt!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Re: Throughput with MSKermit 3.13? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: kryten.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3im6is$a2p@hydra.acs.ttu.edu> <3j7vml$9l6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Mar7.174230@castle.cudenver.edu> Date: Tue, 14 Mar 1995 12:53:13 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > >>I can only get up to about 1500-1600 cps (as > >>reported by MSKermit in 'show statistics') > >> > >>... but a friend of mine claims to be getting twice that (with > >>same CPU, connecting to the same Unix machine, the same > >>software, and the same modem speed (though a different brand)). > >>I've looked at his kermit initialization files and they seem > >>the same as mine. Any ideas? > >> > > Evidently your friend is transferring files that are not > > precompressed, in which case your modem's and/or Kermit's > > built-in compression work to increase the effective transfer > > rate. > Hi, I'm using the same modem, etc and getting about the same results, ie around > 12-1500 cps with precompressed files and up to 3000 cps with some uncompressed > files. :-) I guess that's the best that can be expected, but if anyone knows a > way to do better, let me know too. Thanks. And for good measure I'm using the Sportster 14400 and I acheive 1600 cps going up to 2000 cps for compressible files. This strikes me as a bit slow - is the compression algorithm used really this feeble - most compression algorithms achieve better than x2 compression on my TeX files. Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:54:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06269 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 08:54:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary file expansion Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:54:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k475r$kg8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k2738$p9s@venice.sedd.trw.com>, Ron Orr wrote: >When I download a binary file from a given bulletin board with C-Kermit(190) >OS/2 flavor the file size expands from some 16k to 24k. Needless the file, >a *.zip, is trashed. However I can download the same file on the same computer >using MS-Kermit 3.13, no problem. In both cases the transfer screen listed >the xfer as going on in binary mode. > >I looked for obvious differences in the comm and protocol settings but found >none. The C-Kermit book didn't help much either? > A certain BBS implementation of Kermit is known to have this problem. It does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, and is confused by the new negotiation fields in the new Kermit releases, and goes nuts. You *might* be able to work around the problem by telling one or both Kermit programs to use (say) even parity. Better yet, ask your BBS sysop to use MS-DOS Kermit "Lite" to do its Kermit protocol transfers. That's what it's for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 13 11:00:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 11:59:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!nntp.msoe.edu!MSOE.Edu!harrold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Message-Id: <1995Mar13.170019@MSOE.Edu> From: harrold@MSOE.Edu (David Harrold) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 95 17:00:19 CST References: <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Control: cancel <1995Mar13.154210@MSOE.Edu> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: 155.92.10.4 Lines: 166 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu #! rnews 976 Newsgroups: ott.forsale Path: uwm.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!hookup!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!ao015 From: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Subject: For Sale: Senators vs Penguins tickets 03/19/95 Message-ID: Sender: ao015@freenet2.carleton.ca (Mark Kerzner) Reply-To: ao015@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mark Kerzner) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 01:18:02 GMT Lines: 16 I have 2 tickets for the Senators-Penguins game on Sunday March 19/95. They are in section 18 blue line) at $28.99 each Reply to either ao015@freenet.carleton.ca or to sensfan@magi.com Kerz. -- ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: * Mark Kerzner * : OTTAWA SENATORS : * "KERZ" * : LOUDEST FAN : ******************** ::::::::::::::::::::: #! rnews 7800 Path: uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!donald!david From: david@donald.concordia.ca (David Gaudine) Newsgroups: alt.fan.jen-coolest Subject: A Grimm Fairy Tale Date: 13 Mar 1995 19:05:40 GMT Organization: ORGANIZATION? HERE?? You must be kidding!! Lines: 127 Message-ID: <3k2524$76s@newsflash.concordia.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: donald.concordia.ca Here it is; "A Grimm Fairy Tale", the story of a longtime Jen fan who finally got to meet the Jen for whom afjc was named. My trip started in Cambridge (Boston). Since Jen Yuan was in town the same weekend, I left a phone message for her. My intention was to leave a vague message that only she would understand. Unfortunately, it was so vague that they didn't know it was for her. The fact that I didn't know how to pronounce her name didn't help. Next stop Hoboken NJ. After Jen L. performed the herculean task of finding me a parking space in Hoboken, we went to NYC for a mini Jenvention; 2 Jens and 3 Jen fans, not bad, except I prefer the other way around. :) The 5 were myself, Jen L., Jen L.'s David, Jeff Berg, and Jennifah. (sp) For all but Jennifah, this was a warmup for Mardi Gras. The next day I went back to NYC to Jeff Berg's office. Upon returning to Hoboken I found that I had left something rather important in his office; my list of addresses and phone #'s for all the Jens I was supposed to visit! It doesn't take long to get from Hoboken to NYU when you're desperate. ;) Next stop Philadelphia. It's a nice place for a walking tour, since most of the attractions are close together. I took pictures of Jen Y in her TD outfit; those will be among the very few Jen gifs I make. As far as I can remember at the moment, this was the only place where I actually had any ice cream. I bought a couple of small containers of B&J because I don't think you can get that brand here (in containers); I ate it all myself since Jen Y. was recuperating from some leftover Chinese food. Then Washington, where I learned 3 things in my first 2 hours; - Don't drive west along K street - Don't drive west along H street - Don't drive. I met Jenn Biller, but Jen Hill managed to nimbly avoid me. *pout* The next night I stopped in Kingston TN. No Jens in sight! :( Finally I got to New Orleans. I found Jenn A's house right away, but nobody was home, so I spent a couple of hours looking for them. Most of that time they were there, while I was elsewhere searching. At midnight Jenn and most of the others went out to a bar. I decided I wasn't up to it, so I stayed "home", along with Jenn's friend Jenny T; the best decision I made all weekend, since Jenny T quickly became my new favourite Jen (the first time in 15 years that I've had a favourite). Then at 2AM Jenn's friend Mattie, who I was supposed to stay with, picked me up and took me to a bar for a couple of hours and then to her place. Her boyfriend wasn't too happy; "Let me get this straight. It's 2am, you're going to pick up a guy you've never met, take him to a bar, and then take him home to sleep?" I met him the next day and everything was ok, though he still got her to stay at his place the remaing nights, which worked out fine for everyone. Because everyone spent half the night in bars, and we had a bit of trouble finding each other the next day, the day basically started at 3pm. That's when I met Jen Grimm. Jen Grimm, Ron, Jenny T, Jeff, Mattie, and I started for the infamous French Quarter, but the first 3 on that list ended up stopping for hair braids and tatoos. (No, Jen Grimm didn't get a tatoo.) In the French quarter Mattie, the sexy one in the group (wow!), did her best to collect some beads without showing anything, but the guys were being picky. At one point Jeff thought he was going to have to rescue her from 3 marines. In the evening we saw Rex "open" Mardi Gras. Well, we didn't actually "see" anything from where we were standing, but we were there. Rex asked the mayor to approve a list of rules for Mardi Gras; "No school", "No work", etc; fortunately the Mayor, after due consideration, agreed. Later I had my first seafood "Po-boy", and found that the rumours that someone with my sensitive pallette couldn't eat in Louisiana were unfounded. On our way to the restaurant, Jenny T had Jeff and I on her arms and kept bragging to strangers "I have 2 good-looking intelligent men with me and you don't!". I'm not sure why she said that to the women *and* the men that we passed. Did you ever see 2 more intelligent men in your life? No, I was just going to mention that. Later a parade passed by, and I added to my bead collection; previously I only had what the Jens and the woman doing the hair braiding gave me. That's one of the things I noticed about New Orleans; if you speak to complete strangers, they answer. On Mardi Gras itself, it was pouring rain as time for the parade approached. We made our contributions to the local economy by buying umbrellas. I watched the entire parade, and studied the secrets of getting people to throw beads to me, while some of the others stayed at a party eating crawfish. (Interesting things... no strong taste at all, but you burn your tongue if you lick your fingers afterwards because of the spices in the water that stay on the shell.) That afternoon Jenn, her David, Jen Grimm, Ron, and I went to some sort of Indian wedding. However, Jen, Ron, and I soon left and headed for the French quarter for the afternoon. Now, here's the "fairy tale" part. On the way home, walking in the dark along St. Charles which was almost deserted, I felt a touch on my arm and turned to face Jen Grimm. She took my hand and made a gesture. When I didn't understand, she took my other hand, and before I knew it we were dancing. I can't remember ever dancing in my life before, so my first dance *ever* was under the streetlights on St. Charles with Jen Grimm! Could there be a bigger thrill for a Jen fan? :) After that, anything else would be downhill, so I left the next morning. :) I was heading for St. Louis to visit Nifer, and while checking my map I suddenly realized for the first time that I was passing through Memphis. Normally I notice things like that *before* I start the trip. Naturally I went to Graceland, though by the time I waited overnight for it to open I didn't have time to do anything but buy souvenirs. Then in St. Louis I investigated the important issue that was on my mind: "Why hasn't Nifer posted lately?" It turned out that there was a technical reason, we weren't being snubbed after all. :) I visited a favourite non-Jen in Macomb IL, was stood up by another favourite in PEEoria IL, and then found Jen Fausti in Chicago, she already posted about that. In Toledo I saw Jen Radon, and Jenny T who gave me the beads that I'd forgotten in New Orleans. I decided to make a run for the border, i.e. get home from Toledo in one day. I left at 2 PM, stopped briefly in Guelph to see Jen Robertson, and got home at about 4:30 AM. That's a couple of hours later than I expected, due to a snowstorm; the most dangerous trip of my life. At first traffic was slow, then I tried to make up for lost time by driving 60 MPH on a road that I could barely see. I kept the car pointing where I suspected the road was, and fortunately I was right. Well, that's it. I was on the road for 17 days, but it was worth it; I got to meet Jen Grimm *and* my new personal favourite Jen! :) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- David Gaudine, Programmer, EMC Lab Home: (514)481-0837 Concordia University, Loyola Campus, Montreal Work: (514)848-3118 Rarely speaking for anyone important david@donald.concordia.ca From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 07:23:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 14:51:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!news.eden.com!matrix.eden.com!glharlan From: glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Remap Scroll Lock key? Date: 14 Mar 1995 07:23:17 GMT Organization: Adhesive Media, Inc. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: matrix.eden.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 16:19:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 14 Mar 1995 17:51:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 14 Mar 1995 16:19:54 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. > >Any ideas? Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: In my ini script I have to use a SET COM4
in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 02:11:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 04:39:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remap Scroll Lock key? Message-Id: <1995Mar14.081139.44687@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Mar 95 08:11:39 MDT References: <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k3g96$jvp@boris.eden.com>, glharlan@eden.com (gordon harlan) writes: > the new version of Procom for windows even uses the Scroll Lock key as > your DO key in its VT320 key map, old PCLink'd do it too, so it can't be > all THAT deeply hardcoded, and i've got PCLink installed on about 100 Wanna bet? Yes, the app has to dig beneath the Bios, trap keyboard interrupts, and fanagle things to fake a visible key. > systems using the Scroll Lock key as the DO key, and since PCLink is > dead, i want to be able to take these users to kermit. > anyway, if anyone knows gimme a holler Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 15 00:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:35:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!tadpole.com!news.dell.com!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!fohnix.metronet.com!not-for-mail From: jhuber@fohnix.metronet.com (Joseph Huber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 18:13:44 -0600 Organization: Texas Metronet Communications Services, Dallas TX Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k5bfo$r6q@fohnix.metronet.com> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (James M. McClain) writes: >Frank, I did NOT say that that docs don't contain the answers to most >of the questions asked here. What I tried to sy was that they are >poorly written and use dense, obfuscatory gibberish so that we need >this newsgroup to find out what the hell they say. If it matters, >please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - totally >incomprehensable. Perhaps the problem is with your comprehension and not with the docs????? Just out of curiosity, could you name a manual that you do find satisfactory? -- Joe Huber jhuber@metronet.com 817-557-3186 From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 10 14:54:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25743 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 13:44:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!news.itd.umich.edu!usenet From: hamlin@emuvax.emich.edu (Alex Hamlin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dialing rotation. Date: 10 Mar 1995 14:54:42 GMT Organization: MHRI Lines: 9 Sender: -Not-Authenticated-[6196]@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 194.186.med.umich.edu X-Posted-From: InterNews 1.0.5@194.186.med.umich.edu Xdisclaimer: No attempt was made to authenticate the sender's name. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it (MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial a second and a third before returning to the first. -B.S. -- I don't speak for anyone but me and occasionally I don't even get to do that. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 19:03:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:03:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dialing rotation. Date: 15 Mar 1995 19:03:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3k7dlm$4t3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3jpp7i$o27@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, Alex Hamlin wrote: >Can anyone give me an idea of how to implement a dialing rotation with >kermit? I have three numbers I call, is there a way I can have it >(MS-dos Kermit 3.14) dial the first then if it gets a busy signal, dial >a second and a third before returning to the first. > Make a copy of your dialing script under a different name, such as "mydial.scr". Modify this copy of the dialing script to only dial once, and to set a variable indicating the failure reason. For example, at the top of the dialing script, add: define mystatus and then change the BUSY section from whatever it is now, such as: :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 60 seconds if tries used up. Echo Busy or No Carrier, will dial again in 30 seconds... echo Press any key to cancel... hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. to something like: :BUSY define mystatus BUSY end 1 Then you can dial like this: set modem mydial ; Use special dialing script :LOOP dial 7654321 ; Try first number if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP ; or whatever... dial 8765432 if success goto OK if not equal "\m(mystatus)" "BUSY" goto LOOP dial 9876543 if fail goto LOOP :OK This is just one of many possible ways to do this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 03:12:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 14:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!salliemae!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!socs.uts.edu.au!vnham From: vnham@socs.uts.edu.au (Vi Nham) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem hangup?? Date: 15 Mar 1995 03:12:55 GMT Organization: School of Computing Sciences, UTS Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: linus.socs.uts.edu.au Summary: ZModem hangup while downloading from unix to ms-dos Keywords: Zmodem Problem X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi everyone, I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with no success. The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). and I am login at 12000 baud. The problem I have is it hang up after the pc detect it is about to receive a file using zmodem protocol. The pc just wouldn't receive anymore packet from the unix end. I am using " sz -be -vvv test.exe " on the unix side to send the file. -be --> send binary file and escape all control character. -vvv --> capture the debug message to file. Here is the capture debug message found in the unix side. (after the transmission has been abort.) ================================================================== sz 3.18 12-07-91 for V7/BSD mode:1 Countem: 000 test.exe 1105 countem: Total 1 1105 zshhdr: f 4 ZRQINIT 0 Retry 0: Awaiting pathname nak for test.exe Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=2 Readnum=2 Read returned 1 bytes errno=0 Calling read: alarm=80 Readnum=2 Read returned 2 bytes errno=0 mode:0 ====================================================================== The error seem to complain about the path not found?? Can someone help me with this please? Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? Thanks in advance for any suggestion, Vi From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 06:11:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 15:58:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: <1995Mar15.121124.44888@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 12:11:24 MDT References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU>, vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: > Hi everyone, > > I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > > I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with > no success. ---------- Perhaps you have chosen the wrong News group. This one is about Kermit, not zmodem. While you are here, however, may we recommend you try Kermit on both ends of the link; they work. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 14:31:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:38:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!cs.umd.edu!newsfeed.gsfc.nasa.gov!ELF!schieb From: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit challenge Date: 15 Mar 1995 14:31:51 GMT Organization: NASA Goddard Space Flight Center -- Greenbelt, Maryland USA Lines: 43 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Reply-To: schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) Nntp-Posting-Host: shark-f.gsfc.nasa.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu OK, I'm getting the manual, really. Should arrive soon. But I suspect I might have a hard time finding out what the information I want. I'm not even sure if its possible. What I want to do is: 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation 3. hit return (with the script) 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... 5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) 6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. 7. login, password, upload a request file 8. wait, wait, wait 9. escape back and open kermit to receive files 10. cleanly quit and smile. At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" service, and is moy only modem pool connection. Can someone explain how to do the above? How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! -- Thanks, --Brian | Brian D. Schieber | SeaDAS/SeaWiFS Projects | Laboratory for Hydrospheric Processes | NASA/Goddard Space Flight Center | Code 971/GSC, Greenbelt, MD 20771 | schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov | http://shark.gsfc.nasa.gov/~schieb/home_page.html/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 01:58:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:39:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 18:33:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 95 07:58:55 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: > >>on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to >>a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under >>Windows and the Norton desktop: when connecting to the modem I don't see >>any responses from the modem on the screen. I can see the LEDs flickering >>when I enter an AT command and I see the LEDs flickering when the modem is >>expected to respond. But I don't see any data appear on the screen. Everything >>is working fine with the COM2 port. When I start Kermit under DOS the >>connection to COM4 is all right. But when I start it under Windows or under >>DOS but Windows is still active I get the above problem. Using COM4 from >>within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, too. >> >>Any ideas? > > Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: > In my ini script I have to use a > SET COM4
> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this > setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt > from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. > Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all > is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have > to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does > excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this > is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( > > Thus, I would appreciate an explanation or even mor a solution. ------------- When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two devices using the same IRQ. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 00:27:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:27:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:27:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3k80l9$9m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov>, Brian D. Schieber wrote: >What I want to do is: > >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Instead of using TELNET, use SET NET TCP, SET HOST This will leave in Command/Script mode >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. > >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 22:19:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 19:47:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 17:19:13 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 16:09:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:13:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 11:09:04 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3k73f0$slc@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: |> In article <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote: |> |> >on a PC with three serial interfaces (COM1 for the mouse, COM2 for a line to |> >a host, COM4 for a modem) I experience a problem when running MS-Kermit under |> >Windows and the Norton desktop: ... details deleted... |> > |> Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: |> In my ini script I have to use a |> SET COM4
|> in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this |> setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt |> from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. |> Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all |> is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice.... details deleted... I wish I had a solution for you but I don't. At Queen's, the biggest source of frustration with Kermit is its inability to work under Windows. More precisely, it works just dandy for many Windows users but we get a significant number of weird situations like the one Christopher describes. I'm sorry to say that the Beware file has not really helped in these cases. If the Kermit team has any additional hints they would be greatly appreciated. As it stands I often end up giving up and having the user accept that he/she just can't run Kermit under Windows. It is very frustrating for everyone concerned. Particularly since many of these users ask, "But why does program XYZ work with my modem when Kermit can't". I don't have an answer for them. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 15 23:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04757 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 15 Mar 1995 20:41:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 15 Mar 1995 18:05:19 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3k7rrf$25m@panix.com> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, Mike Smith wrote: > >Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so >we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and >rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more >to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? I believe (and it's only a memory) that Windows can't hack having a COM4 unless it also knows about COM3! marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 05:57:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22049 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:04:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 00:57:41 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 22 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit and zmodem transfers. I just performed the following little experiment: I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 and the PC dir also gives 5103. BUT Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC dir gives 4999. IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length and kermit did not. Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more definitive experiment. TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 07:11:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22250 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 02:11:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 16 Mar 1995 07:11:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: > >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 >and the PC dir also gives 5103. >BUT >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC >dir gives 4999. > >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length >and kermit did not. Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between different types of systems. When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF combination. Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between two different systems. Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to support VMS specific File types. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 03:51:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 03:51:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!lynx.unm.edu!tesuque.cs.sandia.gov!ferrari.mst6.lanl.gov!newshost.lanl.gov!ncar!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!winternet.com!host-31.dialup.winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (JamesSturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Date: Wed, 15 Mar 1995 11:19:38 LOCAL Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 31 Distribution: na Message-Id: References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: host-31.dialup.winternet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov (Brian D. Schieber) writes: >What I want to do is: >1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation >2. telnet through kermit to another workstation Don't use telnet here. Use set host {hostname} instead. Then input and output commands work fine. Telnet is an internal macro for set host... and connect. >3. hit return (with the script) >4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... >5. say "call hayes" to connect to a modem (not sure if I can set baud) >6. "atdt 8,xxxxxxxxxx" to a machine on the other side of the country. >7. login, password, upload a request file >8. wait, wait, wait >9. escape back and open kermit to receive files >10. cleanly quit and smile. >At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. >I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit >session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" >service, and is moy only modem pool connection. >Can someone explain how to do the above? >How to I get machine in (2) to recognize commands from a script in (1)? >A similar example would be GREATLY appreciated!! JamesS From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 12:31:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:02:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:31:15 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:28:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24508 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:49:07 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!omen!caf From: caf@omen.com Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 13:28:42 GMT Message-Id: Keywords: Zmodem Problem References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU (Vi Nham) writes: >Hi everyone, > >I have a weird problem which I am not sure how to solve it. > >I am trying to download from a unix machine to a ms-dos machine, but with >no success. > >The unix machine is running with 7bit Even parity and 1 stop bit (7e1). >and I am login at 12000 baud. Most ZMODEM programs will not operate over a 7-bit link. Either you must use ZMODEM-90(Tm) or choose another protocol such as Kermit. However, unless you download mostly text files you will not be happy with the throughput over a 7-bit link. Even ZMODEM-90 PACK-7 mode is about 20% slower on compressed files than an 8 bit link would allow. So you might investigate running the link at 8 bits. In many cases the fact that you log in at 7e1 does not mean you are constrained to a 7-bit link. You may simply have a poor ZMODEM on your DOS machine. Try ZCOMM and see what happens. The ZCOMM files are available on Compuserve SCOFORUM, UNIXFORUM, IBMCOM, Genie IBM PC RT, TeleGodzilla 503-621-3746, or ftp Oak.oakland.edu: pub/msdos/zmodem: zcommdoc.zip zcommexe.zip zcommhlp.zip The newest FTP site is ftp.cs.pdx.edu (131.252.20.12). The pub/zmodem directory contains the largest and most up-to-date collection of RZ/SZ, DSZ, GSZ, ZCOMM and Professional-YAM files of any FTP site. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 13:56:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 08:56:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Date: 16 Mar 1995 13:56:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3k9g21$o90@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chris Holmes wrote: >I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup >PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem >to get a key to work as END. Any suggestions? > The VT220 does not have an END key. Maybe you are confusing the VT220 with a PC running software (like MS-DOS Kermit) to emulate a VT220? If so, then maybe you mean the function that makes a rolled-back screen go back down to the bottom? If so, the answer is no. Rollback in Mac Kermit is accomplished with the mouse and scrollbar. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:22:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:39:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:22:08 GMT Lines: 25 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Christoph Gartmann (gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de) wrote: : Meanwhile I have received no replies but came a bit further anyway: : In my ini script I have to use a : SET COM4
: in order to allow Kermit to recognize the port. And now I found out that this : setting somehow doesn't get active under Windows. When I enter the DOS-prompt : from within Windows, call Kermit together with my ini file COM4 doesn't work. : Now I leave Kermit, go back to DOS and just call Kermit once again. Now all : is fine! It is always that I have to enter Kermit twice. And both times I have : to issue the SET COM4 command. Then I tried a little .BAT file that does : excatly this: entering Kermit leaving it and entering it again. But this : is obviously not the same as doing it manually :-( I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Even if this works, I expect to return to DOS most of the time. MSK runs perfectly at 57.6 kbps under DOS, but it loses characters under Windows unless I slow it down. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 01:20:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 09:42:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 07:20:09 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > > |> When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides > |> a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows > |> applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and > |> then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. > > This sounds encouraging, but I recently had a Windows/Kermit complication > with a user with a modem on COM4. Her modem would not work at all with Kermit > until we reconfigured it to use IRQ5. Then it worked under DOS but not > Windows. I assumed it was because we had to tell Windows to use IRQ5, so > we went into Control Panel...Ports...COM4...Advanced, changed the IRQ and > rebooted. This did not correct the problem. Is there something more > to configuring Windows to see the COM4 port? ------------ Fellas, this is a Windows configuration problem. Mr. Gates & Co make lots of money selling Windows, and rumors have it that they even offer Tech Support for the product. For those unable to wait and wait on the T.S. phone line there is always the alternative of using Windows to configure the serial port to match the hardware. The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood (COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:30:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:01:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Zmodem hangup?? Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k5lvn$cio@woodstock.socs.uts.EDU.AU> Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:30:46 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vi Nham (vnham@socs.uts.EDU.AU) wrote: : Note: I will not be able to change to 8n1. Hence I am stuck with : 7e1, is this meant I cann't run zmodem?? As I read the docs, yes. Kermit is the only standard protocol that runs over 7-bit links. However, some connections switch to 8-bit automatically when you need it. You don't mention running zmodem on your ms-dos machine. You aren't expecting MS-Kermit to receive the zmodem download, are you? (I'll omit the obvious question of why use zmodem when Kermit is already running.) -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 14:39:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:02:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit challenge Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k6ton$lvp@post.gsfc.nasa.gov> Distribution: na Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 14:39:43 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Brian D. Schieber (schieb@shark.gsfc.nasa.gov) wrote: : What I want to do is: : 1. run kermit190 from my Solaris (UNIX) Workstation : 2. telnet through kermit to another workstation : 3. hit return (with the script) : 4. get the "Call, Display, or Modify?" modem pool prompt from there... : At present, once I do #2, my command in my kermit script are useless. : I guess once I telnet there I'm just disconnected from my kermit : session... the workstation ONLY provides the "Call, Display, or Modify?" As a non-wizard, I'm not sure what you mean by "disconnected from my kermit session." What message do you get? Are you sure the network variables are correct for telnetting? Does it work when you type in the commands instead of running the script? -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 15:08:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 10:26:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!xmission.xmission.com!not-for-mail From: fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 08:08:23 -0700 Organization: XMission Public Access Internet (801 539 0900) Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: xmission.xmission.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >>I get ATT or just A >>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>ATDDT5551134 >>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>No effect. >>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. >The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was supposed to be echoed back. From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). >On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting duplicated or garbled up. Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean that there is something WRONG with the UART? -Fozz -- ================fozz@xmission.com==http://xmission.com/~fozz/================== == ``Today could be a dream of tomorrow that you had last night. '' == ======================Doran L. Barton | Fozziliny G. Moo======================= From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 16:31:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 12:00:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!pcl!chrish From: chrish@westminster.ac.uk (Chris Holmes) Subject: Re: Mac Kermit and END key Message-Id: Sender: news@westminster.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: newbadger Organization: University of Westminster X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 16:31:43 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Chris Holmes (chrish@westminster.ac.uk) wrote: : I have been trying to get a MAC key to emulate the VT220 END key. I can setup : PF keys by using the same syntax as MS Kermit, eg \KPF4. However I cant seem : to get a key to work as END. : Any suggestions? Forgot to say, its Mac Kermit 189. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 23:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 18:48:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Date: 16 Mar 1995 23:48:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kaioi$bgc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, Fozziliny Moo wrote: >... >Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 >(in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the >computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added >that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems >at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all >running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > >Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART >on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to >do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that >will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean >that there is something WRONG with the UART? > Anything is possible. There are a lot of supposedly buffered UARTs that don't buffer at all (much discussion of this in comp.dcom.modems, q.v.). But you didn't say whether Kermit works now that you upgraded your system and SYSTEM.INI. Windows hides the actual UART from the application, and presents it with a "virtual" (simulated) UART. Kermit gets to see whatever Windows lets it see. Type SHOW COMM in Kermit, and see if reports FIFO (buffering) capability for the port. If not, then Windows is hiding the UART's 16550nes from Kermit. The second question is: Does Kermit work well under plain DOS, no Windows loaded? If Kermit works well under DOS but not under Windows, then you'll have to start digging through you Windows configuration files in even greater detail than you have already. Even then, it is unlikely to work as well or as fast, since, under Windows, everthing -- screen writes, port i/o in particular -- is virtualized and simulated and thus carries a of overhead. I.e. Kermit doesn't have the whole computer to itself, as it does in DOS. Kind of like the difference between driving on a wide-open deserted highway and the Long Island Expressway at rush hour... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 22:25:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:01:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 16 Mar 1995 17:25:40 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kadt5$t03@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: edit \windows\system.ini Search for the [386Enh] section Add the following line COM3IRQ=-1 I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. So in my case, the file looked like this: COM3IRQ=-1 COM4Base=02E8 COM4IRQ=5 Note that I could have added all three lines with EDIT and avoided the Control Panels...Ports interface. One final observation: Joe is right that this is a Windows configuration problem, not a Kermit configuration problem. But I suspect that several users at my University are badmouthing Kermit because of this Windows problem. I think a few lines should be added to kermit.bwr alerting others of this Windows snafu. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 21:05:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 19:14:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcomsv!uucp3.netcom.com!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Re: Linux ? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Message-Id: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 References: Date: Thu, 16 Mar 1995 21:05:26 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > >Ted Stevens > >-- You can get it at the same place where it is available for other systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. -Curtiss From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 00:35:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:02:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Date: 17 Mar 1995 00:35:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kalgd$7eb@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Green (jmgreen@pilot.njin.net) wrote: : I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit : and zmodem transfers. Two things that I have noticed in changing file sizes, and I can't remember which protocol was involved (Kermit or ZModem). If you transfer a file from UNIX to MSDOS, and transfer in the "text" mode, the output will be padded by some number of CRLF in place of LF in the original file, whether _you_ think the original was binary or not. On UNIX: wc /bin/ls 96 440 13352 /bin/ls After transferring in a "text" mode, ls would grow to 13448, because there appear to be 96 lines in it. It also wouldn't work any more ;-( The other oddity that I have seen is a padding to modulo 512. I think that it was ZModem that was doing this. This would leave ls as 13824. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 16 11:24:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:05:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: <1995Mar16.172407.45066@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Mar 95 17:24:07 MDT References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > I have noticed that file lengths are sometimes altered in my kermit > and zmodem transfers. > > I just performed the following little experiment: > > I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX > I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS > I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix > Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 > and the PC dir also gives 5103. > BUT > Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC > dir gives 4999. > > IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length > and kermit did not. > > Could someone explain these various numbers to me or suggest a more > definitive experiment. > > TX ........ Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu ------------- Most likely you got involved with binary versus text mode transfers. If the file were really text then each of the transfer steps should have used text as it's "mode." Text mode is stored differently on every machine so file size is strictly a local value. But if some steps used binary mode then raw bytes come across the wire and the "record boundaries/end of line indicators" may/will be all wrong. For example, Unix uses LF as eol indicators, DOS uses CR/LF, VMS typically implies CR/LF for text, and so on. It's up to you to choose the mode since there is no certain way of distinguishing pure text from data of some kind. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 01:36:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:37:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18487 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 16 Mar 1995 20:36:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More on Manuals Date: 17 Mar 1995 01:36:56 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3kap3o$i1l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k3ntp$5qd@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu James M. McClain says: |If it matters, please know that Chuck's zmodem docs are infact worse - |totally incomprehensable. That's an understatement--he must've gone to school somewhere to write as obtusely (and narcissticly) as he does. Yeechang "Loyal Kermit user, and not just because I work for AcIS" Lee -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee |Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Yeechang Lee's home page From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 05:26:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05038 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 01:29:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-K and ndis3pkt.386 - broadcast problem Message-Id: <2594@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 17 Mar 95 05:26:42 GMT References: <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar11.091710.44366@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | In article <3iuspg$jr9@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: | > I have tested Dan Lancini's ndis3 virtual packet driver (available from: | > ftp://newdev.harvard.edu/pub/ndis3pkt) under WfW 3.11. It is easily | > configurable and seems to work smoothly, allowing multiple packet driver | > clients, even together with TCPIP32 winsocket clients at the same time (if | > one assigns two different IP addresses for winsocket and packet clients). | > One of its advantages over my current solution with Odi stack and | > Packet-Mux is that it preserves conventional memory. | > | > However there exists a problem due to the fact, as Dan Lancini explained | > to me, that under NDIS3, clients always see their own broadcasts. Under | > packet drivers, they usually do not. They send a broadcast looking for | > others with their own address, and under NDIS3, see their own broadcast | > and complain. NCSA telnet issues an error message but it works | > nevertheless, MS-Kermit 3.13 doesn't seem to send broadcasts, and works | > fine. MS-Kermit 3.14, however, stops to go ahead in this situation. | > | > Is there a possibility to turn off broadcast messages in 3.14? | > | > Thanking you in advance | > | > Peter | > | > P.S. If you respond to my question, could you please CC to my email | > address, because our news stuff here lags several days. | > -- | > Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de | > Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 | > Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 | > 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY | --------------- | All ARP requests are physical layer broadcast frames. They must be | since the purpose is to find the hardware address of a station on the local | wire. In addition, MSK 3.14 will ARP for its own IP address to detect | duplicate IP addresses. Thus all TCP/IP stacks send ARPs on Ethernet, and | they can't really avoid doing so. The original poster is not asking that ARPs not be used. He is asking that applications not foolishly assume that they will never see their own broadcasts. Or at least that the resulting erroneous message not be fatal. | The cure is to stop the stupid local echoing in NDIS. It's that | simple. The local echoing is not stupid at all. There has long been confusion about whether clients of various network interface standards will see their own transmissions. In some cases no loopback occurs and in others unicast packets are looped while broadcast packets are not. The choice is often left to the indivudual hardware driver. NDIS3 resolves the issue once and for all by declaring that a client will see any packet that it transmits if that packet is acceptable to the current filter. In other words, the fact that you sent the packet will not influence whether you receive it. Unfortunately, programs like kermit don't even bother to check the hardware source address of received packets before complaining that someone has stolen their IP address. (Now that *is* a bit stupid.) But fear not. To accommodate programs that insist on such silly assumptions, the latest version of ndis3pkt has an option (enabled by default) to hide a program's own broadcasts from itself. This should restore peace to the post-3.14 kermit world... Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:20:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:20:00 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kbk80$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > When Windows is active it owns the serial port hardware. It provides >a virtualized set of serial ports to the DOS box and other Windows >applications. Thus you must configure Windows to see your COM4 port, and >then Kermit will be able to access it within Windows. Please note that I wrote: >>>Using COM4 from within the Windows-standard-Terminal program is all right, >>>too. Thus, I did configure COM4 under windows! That's why I can use COM4 together with the MS terminal program shipped allong with Windows (VT52 & VT100). > Also, please review the docs in the MS-DOS Kermit distribution set >regarding serial ports COM3 and COM4. In particular, there cannot be two >devices using the same IRQ. Under Windows there doesn't seem to be an IRQ problem, the same under DOS. And under DOS started from within Windows there is one but only the first time I call Kermit. Exiting Kermit and just entering Kermit again makes the "IRQ-problem" disappear... Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 09:29:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 05:34:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 17 Mar 1995 09:29:12 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <1995Mar15.075855.44824@cc.usu.edu> <3k7p51$snj@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>,<1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic to me... Hoping for some insight Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:26:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:26:14 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit the way that C-Kermit does? I would like to implement the 'pcsend' and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros, but so far haven't figured out if this is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 14 13:33:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 06:57:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals Date: 14 Mar 1995 13:33:26 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3k45v6$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: oracledbs.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k01ho$lp4@pilot.njin.net>, mcclain@pilot.njin.net (James M. McClain) writes: |> My recommendation to others is that they NOT get the manuals (which |> come to some $85 if data for both ends are needed) they just don't |> help much. I have to say that I find the manuals to be both clearly-written and helpful with regard to learning Kermit. The "Using C-Kermit" book in particular has lots of good information which would be difficult to find elsewhere. "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" is somewhat out of date by now, but I still found it to be a useful reference as well as a good introduction to data communications programming concepts. -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 12:28:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 08:39:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com (Theo CHINO) Subject: The Cyberspace Homeless Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Distribution: Cyberspace & humans being Hello Cyberspace, Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:28:02 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As I was browing the net today, I came to the conclusion that I should put these disclaimers. 1) This is not a scam. 2) I am not going to repost this again. 3) This is really a true story. 4) My real name is Theo CHINO This morning I tried to send this message. I failed. I got reminded by the people at Netcom that requesting money in the Internet was not allowed. Is that not against the principle of free enterprise? Let put it that way, I am selling a service which is "nothing" for the price of a dollar and a stamp. My name is Theo Chino, and I have a story to tell. My story is at http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo. I didn't want to put it on the Net, but desperation made me do so . My problem is that I am going insane for something I did several years ago. I am in trouble. I have a stack of bill that I can not pay. I have no job. My profession doesn't believe in me. So I became a homeless bump on information Superhiway. In a sense, I am proud to be a homeless on the Internet. I might be raising some issues. Because this message will be posted in most of the groups, I ask you, I beg you, Moderator, to let this message on your newsgroup. I am asking you to be open, a let me do this request for help. You might want to insult me because I am disturbing the peace and tranquillity of the place, but this is not intended as a flame. If you want to insult me, please email me. If you want to help, please email me. If you have a question, please email me. Today, I just got one of my phone line cut because I did not pay a deposit. Next week I will get my Internet account pull out, and so on. You might ask why I can not get a regular job and pay my bills like everyone else. The only jobs I can hold is as a clerk making $7.00/hr. I hold no diploma because I couldn't finish the University. I can not work in the computer field because one of my reference decided that I wasn't good enough. So he burn me in this town. I can not start any idea because nobody will ever give me a loan. I can not get food stamps because I do not work at a regular job. What I know is that I don't want to be a store clerk all my life. A I ask I for a little compassion and a dollar 34 to allow me to get back on my tracks. Thanks for letting me expressing my views. The Cyberspace Homeless. The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. George Bernard Shaw -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- * * | Theo CHINO * | 814 Ivy Street - Box 593, Anchorage, AK 99501 * | theo@netcom.com theo@mail.nlis.com * * | http://saturn.uaamath.alaska.edu/~theo * * | 'A POOR lost exiled french in the Last Frontier' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 14:16:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 09:16:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 14:16:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >the way that C-Kermit does? > The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. >I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... > Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was the "old way", which no longer works. See the KERMIT.BWR file for details. The new way is to send actual Kermit commands embedded in APC escape sequences. >...but so far haven't figured out if this >is possible. I tried echo and xecho, but the escape sequences seem >to lose something in translation. I am running MS-Kermit 3.14, and >Kermit-CMS 4.2.5 XA, dated 7/28/92. > Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 02:36:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 11:52:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit v3.14 missing duplicating characters Message-Id: <1995Mar17.083617.45115@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 08:36:17 MDT References: <3jqf6p$j2g@xmission.xmission.com> <3k1knl$dbh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 63 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3k9k97$d4@xmission.xmission.com>, fozz@xmission.xmission.com (Fozziliny Moo) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>>I get ATT or just A >>>Typing in ATDT5551234 comes out like >>>ATDDT5551134 >>>Here are the strategies I've tried to resolve this problem: >>>Bumped the baud rate of the serial port to 57600, 28800, 14400, 9600, and >>>2400. No effect. Made use I was using hardware handshaking with the modem. >>>No effect. >>>Now- I use Trumpet Winsock in Windows and I don't seem to have any problems >>>communicating with the modem at 115200 with Trumpets internal serial driver. >>>I can also use the Windows Terminal program (ugh) and communicate flawlessly. >>>But as a loyal user of MS-Kermit, I'd rather not be tied to these apps. > >>The real question is: Does the crazy echoing happen only during dialing, >>or does it also happen after the connection is made? If it happens only >>during dialing, then you've got a buggy modem. Probably you don't see the >>dialing when using Trumpet Winsock, because it's all hidden behind something. > > I bumped the modem down to 300 baud and watched the lights to see if the > missing/duplicating characters were on the computer side or the modem side. > I used the MS-Kermit command SET LOCAL-ECHO ON so I could tell what was > supposed to be echoed back. > > From this test, I discovered the problem is not the modem. It could be the > cable, but I doubt it (for reasons explained below). > >>On the other hand, if you are also getting bad data while online, that >>indicates a buggy UART and/or system bus or other system component, or >>perhaps interrupt conflicts or TSR interference. > > I just reformatted the hard drive and installed MS-DOS v6.22 (because I had > PC-DOS v6.1 and it was corrupting my FAT table). After reinstalling Windows > I noticed that I was getting the same problems with my Windows apps- the > data being sent to the modem was either getting lost, or more often, getting > duplicated or garbled up. > > Then I remembered seeing a line in my old SYSTEM.INI that read COM2FIFO=0 > (in the 386Enh section). It was added by the company that built the > computer and pre-loaded the software (and that crappy PC-DOS). So I added > that to the SYSTEM.INI and my Windows comm apps now work terrific. No problems > at all. I had three FTP sessions, a Telnet session, and a WWW session all > running at the same time over this 28.8 modem. > > Now I know this has to do with the FIFO capabilities of the 16550 UART > on my serial port, but how do I instruct my DOS apps like MS-DOS Kermit to > do that? Is there some kind of device driver or TSR that I can load that > will tweak the 16550 the way it needs to be tweaked or does this all mean > that there is something WRONG with the UART? ------- Doran, From all you've told us I draw the conclusion that your motherboard's UART is broken. If it really does 16550A emulation then Kermit and Windows would use it with no problem. But if it pretends to be a 16550A but fails to operate correctly then both programs will get caught; this appears to by the case at hand. My suggestion is insert a regular serial board in the machine to double check that it will work fine. Also don't overtune the hardware and thus cause system bus problems. FIFO control is done by each application program needing the serial port; there is no supplementary driver nor TSR etc that will or even could help. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 16:26:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 12:16:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!mitel!usenet From: colin_howell@mitel.com (Colin Howell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Question....Is kermit freeware??? Date: 17 Mar 1995 16:26:09 GMT Organization: Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3kcd71$g6r@mitel.mitel.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: apps_sw.mitel.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anybody help? I dare say this is a FAQ so I appologise in advance. After talking with several people I still don't have a definitive answer. I am looking for a copy of Kermit or the source that can be compiled to run on a unix platform running Interactive 4.0 / 4.1. I would like to distribute this free with an application to enable me to carry out remote maintenance. It may be that there are several versions of kermit some of which are freeware I really don't know, if someone can answer this question and possibly point me in the right direction with an ftp address I would be most grateful. Thanks for your time Colin -- ========================================================================== Colin "B" Howell | Mitel Telecom Ltd. (UK) +44 1753 816300 | Applications Support Group | Email: Colin_Howell@Mitel.Com | ====My Thoughts, Opinions And Views Are Entirely My Own....Honest!==== From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 20:43:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:43:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:43:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >In article <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com>, >Randy D Anderson wrote: >>Does Kermit-CMS have the capability to send APC commands to MS-Kermit >>the way that C-Kermit does? >> >The new version, 4.3.1, does have this capability. > >>I would like to implement the 'pcsend' >>and 'pcget' macros found in C-Kermit 5A(190) that invoke MS-Kermit's >>TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros... >> >Actually, they don't invoke the TERMINALR/TERMINALS macros. That was >the "old way", which no longer works. In fact, the CMS Kermit distribution includes a file of sample EXEC's called ikcaux.cmd -- this contains, among other things, an obsolete version of a PC EXEC, using TERMINALS, that incorporates both SEND and GET functions. The only reason it hasn't been upgraded is that no one has complained yet. >Get Kermit-CMS 4.3.1 from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/b, >files ik0*.* and ikc*.*. It has an APC command. To write macros to >use it, similar to PCSEND, etc, in C-Kermit, use REXX. ... or use EXEC 2 if you prefer. Both have mechanisms for invoking Kermit subcommands directly. John From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:00:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:23:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcomsv!uu3news.netcom.com!netcom.com!theo From: theo@netcom.com Subject: cmsg cancel Control: cancel Sender: theo@netcom11.netcom.com Date: Fri, 17 Mar 1995 15:00:10 GMT Message-Id: Organization: Netcom Online Communication Services Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Netcom news admin request this cancel From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 00:00:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 19:33:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!lionel.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 00:00:02 GMT Organization: Sungard Financial Systems Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of MS-DOS Kermit. I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original log file. Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; sometimes it does not. Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the program more consistently. Any ideas on why we're seeing such flaky results? Any suggestions? Thanks!! marci -- -- marcik * "No one can take this away from me The martyrs and madmen I learned of in school Will remember my name" -- Kevin Gilbert * From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 18 01:33:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 21:02:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: COM4 Date: 17 Mar 1995 20:33:10 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to get help for several months, but it has not been forthcomming. Private correspondence with JRD and a carefull reading of the .BWR file seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (ie a UART), if there is BIOS assigns the logical name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and like wise if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8. The docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART at 03e8, but there is at 02e8, thern BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is this what they say??? Do you believe it??? Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the manuals??? Best wishes ....... Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 17 15:20:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16377 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 17 Mar 1995 23:37:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Mar 95 21:20:18 MDT References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes: > In article <1995Mar16.072009.44999@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> The Kermit docs state that the nature of PC hardware is such that >>IRQ wires and i/o port addresses cannot be shared. It's your job to make >>that happen. The docs also explain that "COMx" is a label often misunderstood >>(COMx does NOT have a particular hardware IRQ/port associated with it) >>and that one needs to look slightly deeper before pinning numeric labels >>on things. That's an invention by IBM when they designed the PC. > > Ok, then in more detail: I ran MSD to check the IRQs, then checked the serial > card, set the jumpers to use COM4 and an IRQ that was free, entered Windows to > configure COM4 (Control panel), told Kermit the IRQ and address of COM4, ran > the Windows terminal program (worked fine), ran Kermit under DOS (worked fine), > only got the problem when running Kermit under Windows. Going to the DOS prompt > and entering Kermit didn't work either, but leaving Kermit and entering it > again just immediately after I left it did work. Thus, this seems quit illogic > to me... ---------------- The insight has already been written up in the MSK release docs. But one more time, the bare essentials of the problem. COMx is a logical name used for convenience and means the x'th serial port. It does NOT mean a particular port and IRQ value. The Bios looks for serial ports at \03f8 and \02f8 and if found fills in those port addresses to a table. First found first filled in. The four table entries available represent COM1...COM4. Only a few BIOS' search beyond these two addresses, hence COM3 and COM4 table slots are empty. A number of modem comms programs provide a table of COMx selections together with port and IRQ numbers. Associations like this are strictly up to the author of the program, and now you know why. What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. Very very few programs can deduce IRQ usage. MSD and friends do not, and all they show are the "common" usages with no testing to check. MS-DOS Kermit can deduce, but restricts itself to IRQ 4 and 3 only to preserve the safety of your machine. No two boards may share an IRQ; only one device per IRQ even if the device is "unused." From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers cut looking at all the boards in detail. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:22:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:22:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DOS kermit transmit pblm Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:22:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3kf1be$s4l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kd7q2$5o6$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, marci kickliter <74403.2177@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I'm having some flaky problems using the transmit command of >MS-DOS Kermit. > I have a file containing one line, an AIX command line. >After logging onto AIX via Kermit, I kick off a Kermit script >which initiates a new log file (in which I want to capture the >output of the command I'm transmitting). The script then >transmits the contents of the file containing the AIX command >line. Then the script "restarts" the logging into the original >log file. > Apparently the command line runs on AIX, executing a program >which writes data to stdout. Trouble is, sometimes the output >makes it to the screen (kermit screen) and thus to the log file; >sometimes it does not. > Changing the AIX program which is initiated via the kermit >transmit seemed to help. We added a command to it so it "slows >down" and sleeps briefly. Now we see the stdout output from the >program more consistently. > Merci for the report, Marci. The problem is that the TRANSMIT command also reads stuff back, searching for echos, linefeeds, prompts, and suchlike, and is therefore likely to absorb the thing you are looking for before you get a chance to see it. Instead of using TRANSMIT, you should simply OUTPUT the line. OUTPUT sends stuff without reading anything back. The INPUT and OUTPUT commands are specifically designed for synchronized interactions like this. - Frank O'Cruz (one day late for St. Patricks day...) x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 16:43:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 11:43:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 16:43:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...about problems using COM4... >Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs >before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the >manuals??? > Jim is frustrated by the exact same thing that is frustrating countless people all over the world: the junky architecture of the PC and its add-ons. He is dissatisfied with our documentation on the subject, particularly the KERMIT.BWR file section on COM3/COM4 and internal modems. I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We all know it's way up in the hundreds of billions of dollars. Are PCs really making us more productive? It's an interesting question, a topic for some other newsgroup, but personally, I doubt it. If PCs are supposed to be for ordinary people, then how on earth do we expect ordinary people to content with address and interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, buggy internal modems, memory management, and all the rest? I'm no babe in the woods when it comes to PCs, yet it took me over a month to get my IBM PS/VP working with Ethernet board, CD-ROM drive, and one (not two) COM ports. Forget about sound boards, internal modems, serial mice, joysticks, ... We do our best to figure out this mess and explain it to people, and I believe we have done more and better than most. If anybody has additional information or other suggestions about this sort of thing, feel free to contribute. For example, the item from Mike Smith the other day, showing how to tell Windows that you had no COM3 even though you did have a COM4 was extremely helpful, and we have added it to the KERMIT.BWR file. The BWR file is dense, I know. Eventually it will be "humanized" and folded into a new edition of the book. People would like to look in the BWR file and find step-by-step procedure to solve their own particular problem. Unfortunately that is not possible because there is an infinite number of such problems, so you'll have to learn the underlying principles and problems and then apply that knowledge to the problem at hand. That's what we have tried to do. All suggestions for improvement are welcome. Jim, hang in there. It's not easy, it's frustrating, but it CAN be done. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 18 18:56:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 18 Mar 1995 13:57:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 18 Mar 1995 18:56:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3kfadf$atf@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> <3kf2jp$t7i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : I don't blame him one bit. I think it would be a revelation if anybody : was able to figure out the total amount of human effort -- loss of time : and productivity -- that has gone into fighting problems like this. We And the false trails followed after a "diagnostic", like MSD, tells a user that certain things are true. With regards to IRQ, the MSD.EXE might as well be hypertext, it doesn't know much, if anything, about the hardware, especially if MSD is invoked from a DOS shell under Windows. The "first found, first used" algorithm works well, making a modem strapped for COM4 usable in a PC that has one or two existing comm ports. Blind Luck, and the best that a modem manufacturer can do. The "unused" IRQ for the other COM2 seems to live quietly, running a different terminal emulator, not simultaneous with Kermit. I don't trust the setup, but the user involved is happy. In order to get PCPlus^H^H^H^H^H another comm program to use Com4, he has to run MSKermit first ;-). Actually, I scarfed some comms utility from somewhere that pokes the BIOS for him, but MSKermit worked, although it whined a little about the address/IRQ being requested, on first execution. When users tell me that MSKermit won't work with XXX, but the amazing, wonderful, whats-its-name package will, I suggest to them that they are running on borrowed time, and please don't process any financial data ;-) Later you find that it "works fine", except for the occasional lockup. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 12:39:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 09:27:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!box!fel From: fel@eunet.be (Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 12:39:36 GMT Organization: EUnet Belgium, Leuven, Belgium Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.Belgium.EU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: box.eunet.be X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. Can someone help? I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UP version 9.0 This is my .kermrc file: set line /dev/ttyd00 set speed 19200 set file type binary set parity none set block-check 1 set duplex full set flow-control none set modem-dialer hayes log session kermitlog connect Afterwards I type ATDT plus the phone number. I get a normal CONNECT 19200 message but afterwards nothing happens. I can't type any signs (the cursor doesn't move) and I don't see any characters from the remote computer. With a PC I have no problems in communicating using the settings 8N1. With the HP computer, but using the communication program "cu" there are no problems either... Does anyone have an idea? -- =========================================================================== Flandra Esperanto-Ligo, eldonanto de Monato, internacia magazino sendependa internacia libroservo (retaj mendoj akceptataj) - eldonejo Frankrijklei 140, B-2000 Antwerpen, Belgio Internet: fel@eunet.be - CompuServe 100272,1601 =========================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:00:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 12:00:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No connectionm with Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 17:00:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3khnut$s00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kh8m8$6qe@news.belgium.eu.net>, Vlaamse Esperantobond vzw wrote: >I don't succeed in communicating with other computers using Kermit. >I use a HP 9000/715/33 computer running under HP-UX version 9.0... >This is my .kermrc file...: > I have the EXACT SAME configuration here and it works perfectly. You are probably running the ancient version of C-Kermit that HP distributed with HP-UX 9.0. My suggestion: get the current release of C-Kermit, which knows a LOT more about HP-UX than the old one did: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, read the instructions at the top of the makefile, and then give the appropriate "make" command, for example: make hpux90 (restricted bundled compiler) or: make hpux90o700 (unbundled optimizing compiler) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. If you have any trouble with the new version, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:17:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:23:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 15:17:46 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 47 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank, thank you for your kind sympathy expressed in you response to my recent post re COM4........but you didn't answer the question: A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, it assigns the logical name COM2. However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at 02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 (where COM2 would normally be found. The Kermit docs further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead of COM4. Is this true?????????????? If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal with this eventuality????????????? Sorry for the double spacing --- I hate emacs!!! Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 20:53:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12677 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12991 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 15:53:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More COM4 Date: 19 Mar 1995 20:53:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 64 Message-Id: <3ki5kc$cls@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ki3ha$suu@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >...but you didn't answer the question: > >A carefull reading of the KERMIT.BWR file and private >correspondance with Kermit gurus seem to say the following: > >When the system boots BIOS first looks at 03f8 to see if >there is a serial device there (eg a UART). If there is, >BIOS assigns the ***logical*** name COM1 to it. It then >looks at 02f8 and, like wise, if there is a UART there, >it assigns the logical name COM2. > Yes, but... we're talking about the IBM BIOS, and since the early 80s, every PC clone maker has had to "reverse engineer" the IBM BIOS, so there can be no guarantees that every single one of them does it exactly the same way. >However, if there is NOT a UART at 03f8, but there IS at >02f8 then BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM1*** to 03f8 >(where COM2 would normally be found. > Yes, that's what we say in KERMIT.BWR, verified by reality checks on real hardware -- but obviously we have not checked every PC clone that has ever been made. >The Kermit docs >further seem to say that if there is NO UART (or other >serial device) found at 03e8, but there IS at 02e8, then >BIOS assigns the logical name ***COM3*** to 02e8, instead >of COM4. Is this true?????????????? > No. Most BIOS's do not go beyond COM2. The IBM PS/2 BIOS was an exception, but the poor PS/2 is now "discredited" because (I venture to say) the quality was too high, the design was too good. (OK, OK, there were some marketing and price issues...) >If it IS true, then how does the likes of Telix deal >with this eventuality????????????? > They simply use hardwired addresses and IRQs for COM1-4, and forge ahead. Sometimes they provide a menu that lets you change these items, sometimes not. As we try real hard to point out, this is not necessarily a good approach, because if the hardwired default address and IRQ are not good guesses, and in fact belong to some other device, all sorts of terrible things could happen. And please remember that ALL ports above COM2 are, by definition, configured in a nonstandard way BECAUSE (outside of the PS/2) THERE IS NO STANDARD. Kermit software will err on the side of safety, so sometimes you have to do a little bit of extra work to make it use COM3 and COM4. However, we do try to be nice -- we assume the most widely used addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4 (and we even take into account whether the machine is a PS/2 or not), but we TEST THEM FIRST to make sure we really have UARTs there. The test is a safe (nondestructive) test, and if it fails there is definitely something amiss -- or at least *different* -- in your PC configuration, and then you have to figure out what's wrong and fix it. All the things we talk about in the KERMIT.BWR file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 23:15:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 18:11:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!isiew From: isiew@lis.pitt.edu (Ivan Siew) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 19 Mar 1995 23:15:57 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.lis.pitt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only holds the assembly version. Thanks -- ------------------------------- - Ivan Siew isiew@lis.pitt.edu http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 19 17:22:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 19 Mar 1995 22:03:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: File Lengths Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net> <3k8oa4$lms@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 1995 17:22:50 GMT Lines: 47 Sender: jzero@netcom15.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: | In article <3k8k0l$sai@pilot.njin.net>, | Jim Green wrote: | > | >I FTP'd a 4999 byte ASCII file from a unix machine to my VMS VAX | >I don't know how to tell the file length in VMS | >I then used both ckermit and sz to transfer to my PC using Telix | >Using ckermit into Telix kermit, Telix reports a file length of 5103 | >and the PC dir also gives 5103. | >BUT | >Using SZ into DSZ via Telix, Telix/DSZ reports 5148 bytes and the PC | >dir gives 4999. | > | >IE zmodem eventually preserved the original file length | >and kermit did not. | Because different types of computers store their TEXT files differently | file transfer protocols need to convert them when sending files between | different types of systems. | When you sent you file using C-Kermit you left C-Kermit in TEXT mode | therefore conversion was done which changes every LF into a CR-LF | combination. | Zmodem defaults to binary mode which never does a conversion. So you | might have difficulty reading a file that is TEXT went sent between | two different systems. | Kermit also has a BINARY mode, as well as several different modes to | support VMS specific File types. On a related note, does anyone know why when using sz from unix and then using sz from dos on the same binary file, one gets two different file sizes ?? For example, if I sz a zipped file onto unix, unzip works fine. But if I copy that file to dos, pkunzip freaks out saying the file is corrupted. So I have to sz the file directly into dos using the dos version of sz. Then of course pkunzip works fine after I download the file. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 02:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 02:48:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!gryphon.phoenix.net!phoenix.net!pana From: pana@phoenix.net (Chuck Witbeck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: connect 28800 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 00:20:42 Organization: Phoenix Data Systems Lines: 5 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.3.234.81 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a USR Sportster 28.8. When I use connect I get a good connection. When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 07:51:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 03:49:24 -0500 Newsgroups: alt.hypertext,comp.infosystems.www.users,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Browser For Online Documentation Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 07:51:49 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.hypertext:7993 comp.infosystems.www.users:21445 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2298 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Posted to alt.hypertext, comp.infosystems.www.users, and comp.protocols.kermit.misc.] I want to create online documentation of processes that are run interactively from the MS-DOS prompt for the benefit of the users who run them. I want this documentation to be readily available and easily summoned, much like a UNIX man page. But unlike a man page, I'd like this documentation to be non-linear and intuitive (i.e., hypertext). Because I'm currently learning HTML, and because the World Wide Web is the preeminent hypertext application, it makes sense to use a Web browser for the purpose I've just described. Is there a simple Web browser for MS-DOS that I could use as a hypertext reader? Ideally, this is what I would do: o Compile Lynx for MS-DOS. Not DOSLYNX, which is a TurboVision- based clone, but the "real" UNIX/VMS Lynx browser (which I presume uses curses), with "vi keys", etc. o Use a good VT-series terminal emulator like MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 as the "interface" (if that's what one would call it). o Seamlessly integrate the two utilities and automate the process of invoking them simultaneously. o Create my online help as HTML documents, accessible from a local "home page" on our NetWare file server. Well, do you see where I'm coming from? Am I pipe dreaming? Is any of this even remotely possible? If not, can you suggest a solution that IS possible? Any hints or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 11:21:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 06:35:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Thanks for the help... Date: 20 Mar 1995 03:21:25 -0800 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kjofl$4tq@linda.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: linda.teleport.com Summary: Much appreciated. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A few weeks back I posted to this forum regarding an attempt to connect TO a U**X system FROM an IBM mainframe. Although this wasn't a case where a Kermit flavor existed to solve the problem (so far as I can tell), I received many helpful responses via email and this group. With the help of these combined insights, I was able to point someone in the direction of a utility which, I am told, has made connection possible. I didn't get around to replying to these responders before other projects got away with my time. So to one and all... Thanks! I was pleased, but not surprised, by the response I got to the question I posted; this forum exemplifies how a community can develop on the Net to support an idea or issue -- or high-quality software. To me the idea of Kermit "itself" is inseparable from the support infrastructure -- the books on one hand, the active Kermit community on the other. I don't know of any other software which thrives on such a synergy of users, developers &c., except possibly such grass-roots platforms as Linux &c. Well, I'm wasting bandwidth. But I thought some positive feedback couldn't hurt. Keep up the good work people! -- Mail: Web: -- Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. -- Edward Gibbon, 1776 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 13:46:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22999 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 08:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:46:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3kk0v7$qtb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Ivan Siew wrote: >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. > No. Strange though it may seem, MS-DOS Kermit is written mostly in assembler. There is no MS-DOS Kermit written in C. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 14:01:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 09:01:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: connect 28800 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:01:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <3kk1sg$sbv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chuck Witbeck wrote: >I have a USR Sportster 28.8. >When I use connect I get a good connection. >When I try a connect through .kermrc I get the error "can't change speeds > to 28800" after that it blows up. Any ideas??? > This is such a Frequently Asked Question that it is time to add it to our FAQ, ftp:/kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. (15) WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32BIS (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)" Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit". To recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400, that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful connection, and change their interface speed to match. Thus, the communication software would also have to change its own interface speed, or else the user would see only garbage. Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the modulation speed. The interface speed can be kept constant even though the modulation speed changes. Or not, depending on how the modem is configured. Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800" (or whatever) message. By default, for compatibility with the huge installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes its interface speed according to the CONNECT message. So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to change its interface speed by giving it the command: SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as 14400 and 28800. Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or 28800). But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked. You would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change speed" message. See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 15:29:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 12:13:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: survey Message-Id: <1995Mar20.112959.36035@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 20 Mar 95 11:29:57 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 115 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@moon.sba.dal.ca Sat Mar 18 22:01:58 1995 Date: Sat, 18 Mar 1995 21:48:56 AST From: OLIVIA TSANG To: ctsang@is.dal.ca Subject: survey From: MOON::CTSANG "OLIVIA TSANG" 18-MAR-1995 21:45:47.72 To: CTSANG CC: Subj: survey QUESTIONNAIRE - COMPUTER AND ENTERTAINMENT ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi all internet users! My name is Olivia. I am doing a study on how people use computers to entertain themselves. I would like to know how do you use computer to (e.g. play computer games) entertain yourself. How so these computer entertainment activities affect you both positively and negatively? Please note also: *Questionaire answers will be kept confidentically; * This questionaire will be posted for 8 days so please be sure to send me the answers before March 26, 1995. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FILLING OUT THIS QUESTIONAIRE. YOUR ANSWERS ARE IMPORTANT TO MY STUDY. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please check the appropriate box and fill in the appropriate answer: (1) Are you [] Female []Male (2) WHat is your age? [] Below 14 [] 14-18 []19-24 [] 25-35 [] 36-50 [] Over 50 (3) Are you a student? []Yes Please specify your level of education and the program you are in. []Secondary school Grade: ___________ [] Post-secondary Program: ___________________________ (e.g. Bachelor of Commerce) []Post-graduate Program: ________________________________ (e.g. MBA) []Other ____________________________________ []No (4) What is your present job status? []Contract employment Job title: _________________________ []Full-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Part-time employment Job title: _________________________ []Unemployed (5) Do you own a computer at home? []Yes []No (6) Do you have to use computer at work? []Yes Approximately how many hours per week? _____________________ []No (7) Do you use computer for entertainment purpose(s) (e.g. games, music, movie, etc.)? []Yes Please list computer entertainment activities you do and the length of time you spend on each activity: Entertainment activities Hours spent on activity each week a. ______________________________________ __________________ b. ______________________________________ __________________ c. ______________________________________ __________________ (8) Do the above computer activities help you to relax? []Yes []No (9) What is(are) the effect(s), both good and bad, of the above computer activity(s) on you? (e.g. playing computer games help me to release my frustrations but I may spend too much time on playing games) Good effects: ___________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Bad effects: ____________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ (10) Do you think that computer is a good channel for entertainment? []Yes Please explain: _________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ []No (11) Do you have any comment on "Computer and Entertainment"? ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR CO-OPERATION :) From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 19:11:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 14:39:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Date: 20 Mar 1995 14:11:07 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kkk0b$9v@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There's a bit of latency confusing this discussion, but since Jim asked me some direct questions, I think I should respond. Briefly, ... In article <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: |> Mike Smith wonders how to use Kermit with COM4. Mike I too would like |> to use MS-Kermit with COM4 and IRQ5. In fact I have been trying to |> |> ... stuff deleted ... |> |> Now, Mike, you are the one who says that the docs are clear to you, is |> this what they say??? Do you believe it??? I have said that the docs are clear and I admire the Kermit books. I have read the KERMIT.BWR file several times. As Frank observed, parts of this file are "dense". I learned a lot reading the section explaining COM ports and IRQs but not enough to solve my particular problem with COM4 and Kermit under Windows. The solution to my COM4 problem depended on a Windows configuration detail not included in the beware file. Frank has since posted that KERMIT.BWR will be updated to include that information. I think this further confirms my faith in the documentation. Thanks Frank. |> |> Oh and before Joe or Frank jump in to ask why you didn't read the docs |> before you posted, let me do the honors. And also do you own the |> manuals??? |> I own "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C-Kermit". I have read, but do not own, "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol". It was that book which convinced me to recommend Columbia's Kermit as the basic comm program for Queen's University. We started a new Internet service for students last September and there are now approximately 10,000 registered users. Not everyone uses Kermit to connect to this service but thousands do. I could not support them without Columbia's excellent books and the help I've received from Frank, Joe, and others in comp.protocols.kermit.misc. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 17:30:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 15:36:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!agwing From: agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.rsts Subject: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 20 Mar 1995 17:30:11 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 38 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2304 comp.os.rsts:403 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for another app which works fine. systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank file on the PC. I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in text mode OK. I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets which I already disabled. What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in text mode? TIA! -- Politics is not the art of persuasion, it's the science of selfishness. "Any disclaimer issued by me is subject to change without notice" Andy Wing Temple U. Computer Services agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:32:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00278 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-freiburg.de!MPI2.IMMUNBIO.MPG.DE!GARTMANN From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Date: 20 Mar 1995 16:32:25 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Immunbiologie Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kkamp$qsd@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3kbkp8$dnf@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>,<1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de Nntp-Posting-Host: mpi2.immunbio.mpg.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar17.212018.45190@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: ... > What counts are the port and IRQ values. Tell Kermit about them >with SET COMx port irq. Tell Windows too via the Control Panel. I did this and that's why Kermit works under DOS and works under DOS within Windows if I invoke it twice. ... > From your notes I infer that you have an IRQ conflict and it must >be resolved for normal operation. Time to pop the cover and get your fingers >cut looking at all the boards in detail. No, after all mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) gave the right hint: > Thank you to whoever mentioned that a missing COM3 might be my problem. > To briefly restate my problem, I could not get Kermit running under Windows > to work with a modem on COM4. Using the Control Panel...Ports...Com4... > Advanced dialogue to set the COM4 address and irq was not enough. I had > to tell Windows there was no physical COM3 on this system by: > > edit \windows\system.ini > Search for the [386Enh] section > Add the following line > COM3IRQ=-1 > > I placed this in the obvious spot, just before the lines describing COM4. > So in my case, the file looked like this: > > COM3IRQ=-1 > COM4Base=02E8 > COM4IRQ=5 Since I did this everything is working fine from within Windows. By the way: I am using IRQ 7, so no need to stick with IRQ 5 as mentioned by a previous poster. And it is definitevly a good idea to include this topic into the BWR file! Regards, Christoph Gartmann +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Max-Planck-Institut fuer Phone : +49-761-5108-465 Fax: -221 | | Immunbiologie PSI : PSI%(0262)45050160374::GARTMANN | | Postfach 1169 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de | | D-79011 Freiburg, FRG | +----------- Do you know MENUE, the user environment for OpenVMS? -----------+ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 18:47:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:53:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 17:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!redstone.interpath.net!mercury!saur From: saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 20 Mar 1995 13:47:25 -0500 Organization: Interpath -- Public Access UNIX for North Carolina Lines: 50 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.interpath.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed since 5A(188) The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know if it has been fixed. NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" routine in the "ckutio" module. if (!isatty(0)) return(0); Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not called from a tty. OK sounds lagit, BUT ... When kermit is called from a popen from another software package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" never gets executed. An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and then specify the following, everything works perfectly until kermit returns. | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's CBREAK mode has been reset. Has this been fixed? I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support mail box. --- _________________________________________ ._______. ___\___ | __ / _______________________________________ \ | \ | / | _\___/_ \____ || Saurian: saur@mercury.interpath.net || |---+---| .---. ___| || ................................... || ___|___ |___| | __ || EXODUS 4:1-5 NUMBERS 21:4-9 || | |___| | __ || EXODUS 7:8-13 PSALMS 104:24-28 || ------- | | | ||_______________________________________|| / | | \ | \| \___ \___| Finger me for my PGP public key |___/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 08:43:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 20 Mar 1995 22:08:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: COM4 Message-Id: <1995Mar20.144359.88114@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 20 Mar 95 14:43:59 CST References: <3kdd8m$27s@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [snip] Is it *absolutely* necessary for you to use com4? I've only 3 ports, so I moved my mouse to com2 (required switching my 25-pin and 9-pin plugs around) so that I could use com3 without problems. Later, when I switched my modem irq from 4 to 5, I continued to not have problems. You do need to place some pertinent information in your mscustom.ini file. set com3 \x3e8 5 set port com3 That should do it for you. If you feel compelled to use com4 (and don't have a com3), replace the com3s with com4s in the above. Somebody else posted a way to lie to Windows about the presence of a com3 when one is not available, but I don't remember which post it was. This isn't rocket science, people. I'd much rather configure Kermit than Trumpet Winsock. Sorry about the snotty tone, but I'm more than a little tired of hearing some of the whining that goes on in this group. Joe, Frank, Christine, & Co. work their butts off to give us the finest communications software available--please try to be a little more understanding when they ask to be paid for their efforts. Where else can you get an integrated terminal emulation and file transfer protocol that handles so many character sets and yet is so incredibly robust, that has no artificial limits imposed on the ftp-able copy, that comes bundled with documentation, and has its own newsgroup dedicated to supporting its users, all without costing you a penny unless you find that you NEED the full documentation? C'mon, guys--there ain't no free lunch. Download Kermit. Use it. If you find that it is the best thing since sliced bread (and it is), order the documentation. $40 is cheap for something that works so well. Bye, Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 02:09:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19466 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 00:09:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!news.eecs.uic.edu!bert.eecs.uic.edu!aklinson From: aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 02:09:26 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bert.eecs.uic.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu am using ckermit 189 for Linux. I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr expect { "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 "term=" goto setterm "aaaa" goto a-a . . nad so on... } ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input Ak Thanks in Advance From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 16:56:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:32:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!gail.ripco.com!aklinson From: aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) Subject: Re: Linux ? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) Organization: Ripco Internet BBS, Chicago X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <17363B819.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Date: Mon, 20 Mar 1995 16:56:49 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: : In article : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: : : > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. : > : >Ted Stevens : > : >-- : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. : : -Curtiss or get a binary version of 189 at sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz -- Arnatt Klinsong aklinson@ripco.com Home Page - http://ripco.com:8080/~aklinson/aklinson.html ATSIST Page - http://www.nectec.or.th/bureaux/atsist/index.html __ _ , _ / ) _/_ _/_ ' ) / // /--/ __ ____ __. / / /-< // o ____ _ ________ _, / (_/ (_/ / <_(_/|_<___<__ / ) ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 08:52:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit, MS-Windows & Norton Desktop Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3k1vs4$nrl@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> <3k4fna$sgs@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de> Date: Tue, 21 Mar 1995 13:19:12 GMT Lines: 20 Sender: helios@netcom20.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thomas David Nichols (helios@netcom.com) wrote: : I have a similar problem, which I fix by typing "take mscustom.ini" when : I see a message about using bios4 instead of com4. I tried testing the : port name variable in the log-on script and re-issuing the "set port" : command, but that didn't fix the error. I'll try re-issuing the "set : com4" as well - thanks for the idea! Reissuing both commands wasn't enough. I have found the pattern, though. It happens only the first time after I use the modem with a native Windows program (CompuServe Information Manager). CIM switches the flow control from rts/cts to xon/off, disables data compression (MNP5 and V.42bis), and sets max time for diagnostic tests from 255 to 0. Otherwise, the modem settings are untouched. I guess Windows just doesn't want to give up control of COM4. Maybe if I put the right amount of delay at the right place in the script it would work the first time, or at least the second time. 100 ms between "set com" and "set port" did not help when I tried it before. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:05:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:05:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: Status of term when kermit exits. Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:05:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3kmmf4$5jl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article saur@mercury.interpath.net (Saurian) writes: > I was wondering if someone could let me know the latest and > greatest UNIX version of kermit and what bugs have been fixed > since 5A(188) > The reason I'm asking is that I've found a bug and don't know > if it has been fixed. > NOTE THE FOLLOWING IS A VERY CRUDE READING FROM A NOVICE > SO PLEASE DON'T LAUGH AT ME IF I COMPLETELY MISSED SOMETHING :) > The problem is that the following line is in the "conres" > routine in the "ckutio" module. > if (!isatty(0)) return(0); > Which is supposed to bypass any terminal reseting when not > called from a tty. > OK sounds lagit, BUT ... > When kermit is called from a popen from another software > package, "isatty(0)" returns a "0". If this other software > package uses CBREAK mode or some other special setup, it's > special setup will be wiped out by kermit because "conres" > never gets executed. > An example is the news reader "nn". "nn" can "save" to a pipe > to another software package. If you hit "nn"'s save key and > then specify the following, everything works perfectly until > kermit returns. > > | (kermit -v 10 -s - ) > > At which time "nn" no longer works correctly because it's > CBREAK mode has been reset. > > Has this been fixed? > > I'm concidering sending a copy of this to the kermit support > mail box. > You have. If !isatty(0), then not only does Kermit not restore the terminal, it doesn't change it in the first place. Therefore, this problem *should* not be happening. We can take this offline to work on it more detail. Meanwhile, any program that puts the tty in a special mode and then invokes other programs should be a bit more defensive. Like the shell, for example: $ cat blah | kermit -s - The terminal is fine afterwards. Third, you can give Kermit a file descriptor on the command for the communication channel. This prevents Kermit from opening and conditioning the line: | kermit -l 1 -s - - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:08:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05801 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CASE or EXPECT for c-kermit Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3kmmkk$5l7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3klcgm$ao7@news.eecs.uic.edu> aklinson@bert.eecs.uic.edu (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > am using ckermit 189 for Linux. > I am writing a login script in kermit. This will also perform various auto function too. my question, what is the best way to constr > > expect { > "DIALIN-2>" goto dialin2 > "DIALIN-3>" goto dialin3 > "term=" goto setterm > "aaaa" goto a-a > . > . > nad so on... > } > > ckermit has "input" and "script" command, but they will only wait for one input > A similar question was asked recently. Here's the answer: In article <3jfr55$atl@hpwin055.uksr.hp.com>, Daniel Huber wrote: >Has anybody written a Kermit (5A 188) script containing command line >processing (with error handling), case contructs like the one outlined below, >or any other, more sophisticated Kermit script programming examples? > You can accomplish a case-like statement very easily in Kermit's script programming language using GOTO (or, more efficiently in version 190), FORWARD, because the GOTO (or FORWARD) target can be a variable. First, look at the simple example in ckermod.ini (.mykermrc): forward \v(system) :UNIX ; UNIX, all versions... .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... :VMS .. end ; or FORWARD someplace below... etc. In this case, we know all the values of \v(system), so we can make a "case label" for each one. To apply this technique to script programming, use the MINPUT command, which was added in edit 190, and which takes a list of items to look for, rather than just one item (read about it in the ckcker.upd file): MINPUT 30 {00 OK} {10 NOT OK} {11 NOT OK} ... {55 NOT OK} IF FAILURE END 1 No valid response from pager in 30 seconds. FORWARD PAGER_\v(minput) ; concatenate MINPUT response number with PAGER_ :PAGER_1 ; here is the first CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ; this is like BREAK in C :PAGER_2 ; second CASE label ; commands for this response FORWARD DONE ... :PAGER_55 ; commands for this response :DONE Note that there is no DEFAULT clause, as in C. You have to make sure that you never GOTO (FORWARD) a nonexistent label. Not a big deal in this example, because you already know what all the valid responses from MINPUT will be. In other applications, you might have to do some prechecking, as in this example from ckermit.ini: IF NOT = 0 \findex(\v(system),OS/2:Macintosh:Amiga:Atari_ST) - FORWARD files - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:13:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:16:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:14:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Linux ? Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:13:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3kmmue$5r1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article aklinson@ripco.com (Arnatt Klinsong) writes: > Curtiss Cicco (1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu) wrote: > : In article > : tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) writes: > : > Where can I find the latest kermit for Linux ? Thanks. > : You can get it at the same place where it is available for other > : systems, which is at kermit.columbia.edu, and if I remember correctly > : the file name is C-kermit.linux or something to that effect. > > or get a binary version of 189 at > sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/comm/ckermit-189.tar.gz > No, please get Kermit software from Columbia University. Version 5A(189) is not current. 5A(190) is. For Linux: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, "make linux". That's all there is to it. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 14:24:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:26:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 09:24:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 21 Mar 1995 14:24:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3kmni5$6gt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> agwing@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Andrew Wing) writes: > >I'm having trouble moving a large text file from our PDP-11/44 to a PC. > > Background: I need to export data from an app based on the PDP-11 to > Foxpro for Windows on the PC. The app on the PDP-11 is generating text > files in an SDF format. The intent is for the user to run a script to > transfer seven of these files to their PC. I have a similar setup for > another app which works fine. > > systems: Gateway 2000 486DX/33, DOS 5, Kermit 3.13 (patch level 21) > DEC PDP-11/44 running RSTS 9.7, Kermit-11 vT3.60 > > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer > OK *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five > packets go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error > reported. It appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet > size since it never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in > the status screen. Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I > end up with a blank file on the PC. > > I tried setting the file type to binary and it works, only I get the > trailing nulls contained in the last cluster of the data file. This imports > into Foxpro as a blank record. All the other text files will transfer in > text mode OK. > I've tried tweaking packet size, windows, attribute packets and > handshaking to no avail. The .BWR and .INS files don't address this > directly. They only make a reference to problems with attribute packets > which I already disabled. > > What parameters do I need to set to get this file to transfer in > text mode? TIA! > I think you have probably done all you can. I suspect that the problem is similar to the one in VMS Kermit-32, namely that Kermit-11 is doing RMS record-oriented input, and its record buffer is shorter than 795. In binary mode, it probably uses a buffer that is the maximum record size for RMS. The author of Kermit-11 no longer maintains the program, so there's not much we can do about it. However, fixing this problem might be as simple as changing the value of a symbol and rebuilding. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 15:01:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:03:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 10:02:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.announce,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 21 Mar 1995 15:01:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 331 Approved: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.announce:9 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2315 comp.os.os2.apps:73039 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:21930 bit.listserv.os2-l:28421 comp.dcom.modems:85136 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce a brief Beta testing period for OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot more information in it (hypertext links): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past the following fifty lines (two 24-line screens). OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over: . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds. . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP. . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections. . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes. . Asynchronous communication servers. Offering: . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control, printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc. . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download. . A powerful and portable script programming language. . A large repertoire of character-set translations. . Dialing and services directories. . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem). And lots of OS/2-specific features, including: . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations. . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard. . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes. . Work Place Shell integration through program objects. . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions. . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers. . SLIPTERM compatibility. . Integration with IBM WebExplorer. . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2 system to another, with all file attributes preserved. . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load. . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication. With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit is ideally suited to OS/2 users who: . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services. . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections, e.g. for home and office use. . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting). . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files. . Want to communicate in languages other than English. . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms. Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web site starting at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00 and later, including Warp. It adds the following major new features: . Dramatic speed improvements . Sizeable terminal screens. . New and improved mouse functions. . Improved TELNET client functions. . Incoming TCP/IP connections. . SLIP dialing. . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation. . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation. And many lesser ones. In more detail: SPEED IMPROVEMENTS CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions. C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating. Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before. To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session: C-Kermit 5A(190) 24 sec IBM Telnet 22 sec (TCP/IP 1.2.1) MS-DOS Kermit 12 sec (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2) C-Kermit 5A(191) 5 sec In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55 seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement. The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several other astounding feats: . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens. . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back. . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below). Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds without seriously impacting the rest of the system. SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too. In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen area of 8192 characters. In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132 columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows. Not all combinations are supported by all video hardware. Warp is not required. Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video adapter supports it. Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the "NAWS" option. SOFT FONTS C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any pair of them. But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right characters on the screen. For example, in version 5A(190) we added support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page onto a US version of OS/2. The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window: CP437 - Original PC code page CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc) CP862 - Hebrew code page CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following languages: Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for furnishing these public-domain fonts. CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups and Web pages. But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters? The new C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes: . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout. . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes. . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc). This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available in earlier releases: . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc). . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish. THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor steering, were introduced in the previous release. In version 5A(191): . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen, scrollback buffer included. . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events. . You can assign them to keys. . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events. . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps. To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in the rollback buffer: . Hold down the left mouse button. . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected. . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens. . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging. Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard, printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your terminal session. TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before. Several TELNET protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to "firewalls". Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when provided by the name server, until success is achieved. TELNET NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added. Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute Kermit server functions. OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver. This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM. OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol implementation. If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services, especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this means. If you want it spelled out in more detail, see the APPENDIX at the end of this announcement :-) OTHER CHANGES ...include: . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages. . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY. . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information", "Warning", and "Error" events. . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added. . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation. . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc. DOCUMENTATION OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) is comprehensively and professionally documented in the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF file, which covers recent additions. Ordering information for the book is included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit> prompt with the UPDATES command. WHERE TO GET IT OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta may be obtained (and should ONLY be obtained) From kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/test/os2test, file cko191.zip. Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way), unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL script. For safety, don't install the Beta version over your previous OS/2 C-Kermit version -- read the directions on your screen carefully. After installation, you should copy your CKERMOD.INI, CKERMIT.KDD, and CKERMIT.KSD files from your regular CKERMIT directory to the new one. The cko191.zip file should not be copied to other FTP sites. It is likely to change frequently during the Beta testing period, and we don't want outdated copies circulating. Check the ZIP file every so often to see if it has been updated, or consult the Web entry at URL: http://www.kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html Please report bugs (in the software or the documentation) by email to: kermit@columbia.edu NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit. Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release. APPENDIX: TELNET AND SERIAL COMMUNICATIONS SOFTWARE There is a widespread misconception among PC users that a "virtual modem" or TELNET redirector such as COMTCP, VMODEM, COMt (for Windows), or TNGLASS (for DOS) plus your favorite serial communications package creates the perfect TELNET client. Your serial communication package MIGHT enable you to connect to your host this way, but if it works right throughout your session, it's pure luck. Numerous items -- echoing, screen size, terminal type, and other parameters -- need to be negotiated and sometimes changed dynamically throughout the session, depending on the service and the server. A serial communications program is not designed to handle this type of work. So the virtual modem software must handle the TELNET protocol parameter negotiations on behalf of the communication software. So far, so good. The problem is that when things change, the virtual modem software has no way of telling the communications software, and similarly, when the user changes things in the communications software, the virtual modem doesn't find out about it and can't tell the TELNET server. To complicate matters further, the TELNET Network Virtual Terminal (NVT) definition does not work like the ASCII terminal that your serial communications software is emulating. Certain characters must be handled specially, including carriage return, linefeed, and the "all-ones" character, hex FF. Furthermore, special items like the BREAK signal must be handled by special TELNET protocol messages. So when using serial communications software to accomplish a TELNET connection over a virtual modem, it is very likely to have all sorts of problems, including: . Terminal-type and/or screen-size mismatch. . Faulty echoing: characters can fail to echo when you type them, or might echo twice. "Password silencing" might not work. . You might get overprinting or a "stairstep" effect as the host sends lines to your terminal screen. . Carriage return (Enter) might have no effect at all when you type it. . The session might suddenly hang because a special character has not been properly escaped during terminal emulation or file transfer. . BREAK, required by some hosts and applications, can't be sent. . When things go wrong, you have no effective debugging tools at your disposal, and even when you can diagnose the problems you often have no way to fix them. THE MORAL: If you want a fully-functional and dependable TELNET session, use a real TELNET client. If you want to use the same software for both serial and TELNET connections, try C-Kermit. (End) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:24:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 15:33:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!nic.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit (OS/2) logging phone-costs? Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:24:09 -0000 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3kn94p$a5p@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm not asking if Ckermit can do it (I can't figure out something it can't do), but how do I tell Ckermit to do it? Has someone tried this? Would it be best do do some script inside Ckermit or should I try to make a small rexx-program to dig out the information in the logfiles? If you already know how to do it, post the script! //thanks! Markus From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 20 21:45:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 21 Mar 1995 17:13:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!mix.com!zippy From: billy@mix.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PDP-11 to PC transfer trouble Date: 20 Mar 1995 21:45:22 GMT Organization: Billy's Place Lines: 22 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3kkt1i$aii@news.primenet.com> References: <3kke33$2l6@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Andrew Wing writes: > symptoms: When I transfer the text files in TEXT mode, they all transfer OK > *except* the one with 795 byte lines. The transfer starts, five packets > go by and then the process stops abruptly with no error reported. It > appears that Kermit is having trouble negotiating a packet size since it > never 'settles down' to its standard 90 something size in the status screen. > Kermit insists that the transfer is "complete" and I end up with a blank > file on the PC. Log files would be helpful here. For K11, you'd - Kermit-11> LOGFILE test.log Kermit-11> SET DEBUG PACKET ..do the transfer, let it die.. Kermit-11> SET DEUG OFF One problem I'm aware of involves an out-of-range length byte from K11 - you may have to SET DEBUG RAW to be able to see this. Although, altering the packet length should have 'fixed' that.. Billy Y.. 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From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 21:00:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 22 Mar 1995 20:29:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!ac.dal.ca!ctsang Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: thank you Message-Id: <1995Mar22.170038.36194@ac.dal.ca> From: ctsang@is.dal.ca (Chui Fung Tsang) Date: 22 Mar 95 17:00:37 -0400 Nntp-Posting-Host: is.dal.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From ctsang@is.dal.ca Wed Mar 22 12:25:41 1995 Date: Wed, 22 Mar 1995 12:25:41 -0400 (AST) From: Chui Fung Tsang Subject: Survey question To: Chui Fung Tsang Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Hi, I would like to thank those who responded to my survey. Some of u may wonder why I posted the survey in some of the news groups which may not seem appropriate. The reason I did that was because I would like to get answers from people of diverse backgrounds and interests. If I did inappropriately posted the survey in certain newsgroups, I would like to apologize. Thank you also for the people who give me some real good advices too. I'll post the result of the survey in 2 weeks. Thank you all. Olivia From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 16:36:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:13:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!lcoady From: lcoady@agora.rdrop.com (Lucas Coady) Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 16:36:38 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I can find a copy of the MS-Kermit v3.01 for IBM-PC source? Luke From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:01:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:36:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:01:02 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of a serial port? I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp lines. thanks for any info, tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 00:01:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:01:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: os2 version - works over ethernet ? Date: 24 Mar 1995 00:01:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3kt24v$k2c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksuje$fmd@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, Tom F McCabe wrote: >I can't find the answer to this in any faqs and >or announcements. Can I use the new os2 kermit >version to connect via telnet (or ftp or kermit >file transfers) over a ethernet line instead of >a serial port? > Yes. It works over TCP/IP -- IBM, FTP Software, and various other varieties -- independent of the underlying communication medium. >I see that telnet is mentioned in the announcemnets >but I can't tell if it's restricted to slip/ppp >lines. > It is not restricted in any way, except that you must already have a TCP/IP product installed that supports the connection method you want to use. - Frank x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 23:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 23 Mar 1995 19:37:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.uni-c.dk!dkuug!usenet From: jnh@pip.dknet.dk (John Normann Hansen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: WfW & Kermit & Token Ring Date: 23 Mar 1995 23:51:23 GMT Organization: Dolberg Data A/S Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3kt1hr$6s8@news.dknet.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: p726.pip.dknet.dk X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get Kermit to work under WfW on a token ring network. I'm using the nine steps to heaven, following the setup.doc from kermit 314. All it does i hang the computer when trying to load the dis_pkt9.dos. So I tried it on a ethernet network an it works great. The adapter is a IBM tokenring and I'm using the ibmtok.dos ndis driver. Any help will be appreciated. PS Does anyone know of any BAPI driver that runs with the TCP32 form Microsoft. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 02:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 06:54:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!olivea!nntp-hub.barrnet.net!news.igc.apc.org!cdp!scott From: Scott Weikart Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Message-Id: Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 18:40:03 -0800 (PST) X-Gateway: notes@igc.apc.org Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A programmer friend tells me that you can programmatically specify a DTE rate of 14,400 bps for a COM port under Windows 3.1. And one of our users just set 14,000 as the DTE rate in a .ini file that we use to configure Trumpet Winsock, and found that he got fewer framing errors compared to 19,200 (16450 UART). I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions it as a DTE rate that might be supported). Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? If not, what does Windows actually do with a request for a COM port rate of 14,400 bps? And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? -scott From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 15:19:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 10:20:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 14,400 bps DTE rate with Windows 3 Date: 24 Mar 1995 15:19:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3kunup$36g@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Scott Weikart wrote: >I had thought that COM port UARTs on AT machines didn't support 14,400 bps; > UARTs support any baud rate you can dream up. >and the MS-Kermit book never mentions it (although the C-Kermit book mentions >it as a DTE rate that might be supported). > 14400 bps was never needed until V.32bis appeared. Then it was added to MS-DOS Kermit. Just type "set speed ?" to see a list of supported speeds. >Will some or all modems support a DTE rate of 14,400 bps? > Any modem V.32bis or higher should support it. >And does this requesed rate provide faster throughput than 9,600 bps but >fewer framing errors then 19,200 bps (and if so, how)? > This depends entirely on your UART chip and your PC configuration and software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 22 15:58:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 15:12:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!penage.cs.laurentian.ca!nickel.laurentian.ca!mark From: mark@nickel.laurentian.ca (MARK LAFONTAINE) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 22 Mar 95 10:58:22 -0500 Organization: Laurentian University Lines: 41 Message-Id: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: nickel.laurentian.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings Kermit Gurus, I work at a bilingual university that supports both french and english computing. We need to transfer files to and from our VAXes through C-Kermit that contain accented french characters. Below is the routine we have to go through in order to transfer a file from the PC to the VAX using AUTORECEIVE from the C-Kermit prompt. The file is transferred successfully with french characters intact. If we try to AUTOSEND the same file from VAX to PC the french characters do not transfer properly. Are there any SET parameters that have to be changed in order to do the AUTOSEND of french characters? We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit version 3.13 for IBM. Our routine was: - log into the VAX - Type CKERMIT from $ prompt At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO -X (to get to MS-Kermit) - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic Set file character CP865 C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. Thanks for any help in this matter. Mark Lafontaine Laurentian University Computer Services Sudbury, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 00:13:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:17:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:16:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.delphi.com!larry182 From: larry182@delphi.com (Larry Reister) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for IBM-PC Kermit v3.01 Date: 25 Mar 1995 00:13:30 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation Lines: 5 Message-Id: <9503241854591.The_Win-D.larry182@delphi.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: bos1b.delphi.com X-To: Larry Reister Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Luke, I sent a note to watsun.cc.columbia.edu,asking for information on getting Kermit software.He gave me information on how to order "Using MS-DOS KERMIT",for $36.95,and a copy of MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 came with it.Try a note to Watson. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 23:36:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:56:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 24 Mar 1995 23:36:50 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. THIS doesn't work 30% (PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, and then kermit will work. THIS ALWAYS works (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this fixes the problem. i.e. (PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried compiling it myself. Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, and that MAXBUF > 2064, and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 and that BIOLM > 20 and that BYTLM > 8192 info: C-Kermit 5A (190) OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 Equinox ELG48 terminal server Thanks, Cheryl Southard cld@astro.caltech.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:17:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!news From: mmrst7+@pitt.edu (John Meyer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:17:17 GMT Organization: PITT Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ehdup-f-12.rmt.net.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to an ftp site. Thanks a lot in advance. -M From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 06:23:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05583 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:24:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 01:23:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 25 Mar 1995 06:23:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2330 comp.os.os2.apps:73674 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22379 bit.listserv.os2-l:28703 comp.dcom.modems:85744 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip Or from the Web at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html --------------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback buffer at all. In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps to ROLL-MODE INSERT. The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 05:20:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 02:10:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 05:20:40 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 24 22:05:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 09:53:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Date: 24 Mar 95 17:05:07 -0500 Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what are the bytes/characters they send over the line? Or is this a State Secret? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 03:17:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:42:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Mar 95 09:17:01 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually > send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev > and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what > are the bytes/characters they send over the line? > > Or is this a State Secret? ----------- Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 16:56:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 11:56:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Enabling Mouse selection in Ckermit OS/2 Date: 25 Mar 1995 16:56:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3l1i04$rq6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0978$mja@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: >I am using beta of v 191, and can't figure out how to enable mouse >text selection for cut-paste-scroll. I have the printed manual, but must be >missing something. Can someone point the way? Thanks > >David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 > finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information > The first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to have mouse support was 5a(190). This version required the user to SET TERMINAL MOUSE ON. 5a(191) has much more extensive support for the mouse than 5a(190). In addition to the ability to perform cursor positioning and copy and paste to the clipboard from within C-Kermit, 191 now allows you to assign arbitary macros, Kverbs, and mouse specific actions to specific combinations of SHIFT, CTRL, and ALT and CLICK, DOUBLE-CLICK and DRAG events. Mouse support is enabled by default in 5a(191). for information on how to use Mouse support please read the CKERMIt.INF file. "Using the MOuse". You can also type UPDATES MOUSE at the C-Kermit prompt. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Mar 25 23:30:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13680 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 18:44:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu (Gary Schrock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: Sat, 25 Mar 95 23:30:53 GMT Organization: Michigan State University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3l291u$1arq@msunews.cl.msu.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: psy219.psy.msu.edu Keywords: OS/2, C-Kermit X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2335 comp.os.os2.apps:73780 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22456 bit.listserv.os2-l:28746 comp.dcom.modems:85839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. A definite thanks from here. The new behaviour is significantly more intuitive. Seems to be working great here. Gary Schrock gary.schrock@ssc.msu.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 21 19:32:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 25 Mar 1995 23:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Munich.Germany.EU.net!ibm.de!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!news.manassas.ibm.com!zoso From: zoso@postoffice.manassas.ibm.com (Randy D Anderson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 21 Mar 1995 19:32:23 GMT Organization: Loral Federal Systems - Manassas, VA Lines: 18 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: zoso@lfs.loral.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cc5.manassas.ibm.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; but how is it used? Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, but how? The 'APC' command seems to talk to the remote MS-Kermit, but there is no VM-specific info on practical usage (it's not in the HELPCMS file.) -- Randy Anderson zoso@lfs.loral.com "I'm sorry, sir - we don't have medium fries. Loral Federal Systems We only have small, large, and super-size." Manassas, VA - McDonald's employee From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 18:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 13:44:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!decus!t_howald From: t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Date: 26 Mar 95 19:26:57 +0100 Organization: DECUS (Switzerland) Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit Gurus I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI VAXCLUSTER=0 MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas F. Howald / It's difficult to soar with / Phone: +41 65 25 25 29 Otto Howald AG, / eagles when you work with turkeys/ CompuServe 100115,2076 Engestrasse 13, 4500 Solothurn, Switzerland t_howald@decus.ch ****************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 07:37:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04639 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 17:31:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Mar26.133718.45682@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 13:37:18 MDT References: <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.192657.103@decus>, t_howald@decus.ch (T_HOWALD@DECUS.CH) writes: > > > Hi Kermit Gurus > I tried on our MicroVax 3600,8 users 8Mb Memory running VMS 4.7 to get a better > use of C-Kermit 5A(190). Epecially the "Freezing" monitor was annoying. So I > modyfied SYS$SYSTEM:MODPARAMS.DAT as told in the instructions and shown below. > > SCSSYSTEMID=0 ! System ID for the CI > SCSNODE="" ! System node name for CI > VAXCLUSTER=0 > MIN_TTY_TYPAHDSZ = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_TTY_ALTYPAHD = 2064 ! For C-Kermit > MIN_MAXBUF= 12000 ! For C-Kermit > > After that I did @sys$update:autogen savparams setparams.So far no problems > and Kermit performs better but I ended up with a smaller pagefile and swapfile: > > PAGEFILE.SYS;2 40000/40000 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > PAGEFILE.SYS;1 50000/50000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > SWAPFILE.SYS;2 28500/28500 26-MAR-1995 11:43 <-------NEW! > SWAPFILE.SYS;1 36000/36000 15-JUN-1987 12:40 <-------ORIGINAL > > My worries are how will this affect the system ? Will the system eventually > crash or slow down to the speed of a PC XT ? Should I lower MIN_MAXBUF ? > > Any hints will be appreciated. Tom ---------- Page and swap file sizes are from autogen, the sensing of system usage over time. It's the item you answer YES to when @sys$system:shutdown-ing the machine. Seven years is a long time between system tuning activites. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 22:33:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 18:17:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!pilot.njin.net!not-for-mail From: jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PCMag Comm Article Date: 26 Mar 1995 17:33:29 -0500 Organization: Rutgers University Lines: 51 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: pilot.njin.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks: On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! Is this data valid????? Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. Comments????? Jim Green ............ jmgreen@cc.snow.edu Sorry for the double space -- I still can't deal with this mailer From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 11:04:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 22:14:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Message-Id: <1995Mar26.170413.45693@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 17:04:13 MDT References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, jmgreen@pilot.njin.net (Jim Green) writes: > > On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that > several comm programs performed better than the the theoretical > limit for a compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp > file > in 38sec; that is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably > w/o sliding windows in 3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ > sliding windows transfered at 3246cps!!! > What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! >> Is this data valid????? > Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current > MS-Kermit? > PCMag shows that the following use sliding windows: > CrossTalkFW, WinCommPro, DynaComm, ProCommFW, QmodemProFW, SmartcomFW > Why am I footsing around with the painful process of trying > to make MS-Kermit work, when the above is available -- and besides our > users have no trouble with the current Zmodem-90 at these speeds. ------------ While I don't have the article the numbers do strongly suggest playing with file compression, and only secondarily with protocols. Any time you see "exceeded theoretical limits" you can be sure the wrong theory is being applied, and that deductions cannot follow. Until you get the story straightened out I suggest you let matters rest. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 04:08:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:48:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 04:08:26 GMT Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call on com1. This is unscientific, but if logged in at the shell prompt things looked nice -- i.e. the line didn't appear bursty. I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. And so on. The pauses served to clobber the effective transfer rates. I did 25 tests. One session where the TX light appeared to never stop chugging had me get binary compressed file transfer at 1991 cps (which is still far below 2880 cps). Other sessions did much worse. Is there something about kermit that one can use to improve this? My kermrc is enclosed at EOF. This was using 2k packets, the performance with 1k packets was much worse. Another kermitism I'm not able to solve relates to packet size: when I say 2048 byte packets, he uses 1806 byte packets. He refuses to (say) use 4k byte packets. Thanks, -ans. set parity none set file collision overwrite set attributes off set speed 38400 set flow-control rts/cts set file type binary set file names literal set file display fullscreen set window-size 5 set receive packet-length 2048 set send packet-length 2048 set block 3 set buffers 150000 150000 -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:21:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 08:48:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.cloud9.net!worm.inch.com!uunet!sangam!cmie!ajayshah From: ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (Ajay Shah) Subject: Help me mix expect and kermit? Message-Id: Organization: Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 Date: Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:21:32 GMT Lines: 19 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26847 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2343 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are behaving strangely. Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. The moment I say connect things get hairy. If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin 486 notebook running linux. Thanks, -ans. -- ------------------------- Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:06:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:06:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VAX to PC french chars. tranfer probs. Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:06:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3l6got$hhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar22.105822@nickel.laurentian.ca>, MARK LAFONTAINE wrote >We are using C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94 for Open/VMS and MS-Kermit >version 3.13 for IBM. > > - Type CKERMIT from [VAX] $ prompt > At the C-KERMIT prompt> Set file character CP866-Cyrillic > Set transfer character Cyrillic-ISO > -X (to get to MS-Kermit) > - At the MS-KERMIT prompt>Set transfer character cyrillic > Set file character CP865 > C (to reconnect to C-Kermit) > - C-KERMIT>AUTORECEIVE filename > >This is working to receive files with french accents from the PC to >the VAX, but it is not working to AUTOSEND files from the VAX to the PC. > Of course it is not working. The Cyrillic character sets do not contain Roman letters with accents. Cyrillic is used for Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian, etc. Also, I sincerely doubt that you would be using *any* code page on the VAX. I think that what you really want to do, as is explained thoroughly in both "Using C-Kermit" and "Using MS-DOS Kermit" (and its French edition, "Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi"), is: VAX: set transfer char latin1 set file char latin1 ; or dec-multinational PC: set transfer char latin1 set file char cp850 ; or cp863 CP850 is the IBM "Multilingual" code page. CP863 is the Canadian French code page. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 23 18:25:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:07:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!hursley.ibm.com!aixssc.uk.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com!news From: rjrodrig@vnet.ibm.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKermit under Warp Date: 23 Mar 1995 18:25:58 GMT Organization: ISSC Pougheepsie New York Lines: 7 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Reply-To: rjrodrig@kgnvmc.kgn.ibm.com Nntp-Posting-Host: loctools.pok.ibm.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.04 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. Robert Rodriguez From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:14:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:13:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 89 Message-Id: <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, Cheryl L. Southard wrote: >Perhaps someone can help me debug my problem with c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, >and my terminal server. When using this setup on the remote "server" side, >kermit only works around 70% of the time. The other 30%, we get massive >amounts of retries, and if we're lucky maybe a few packets will get through. >This problem is consistant to a small set of PC's and Macintoshes that >dial into our Alpha running c-kermit, and VMS. > >THIS doesn't work 30% >(PC or MAC) <---telephone---> (terminal server)(Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I don't think the problem lies in the local PC's or Macintoshes. We can use >the PC's and Macintoshes to successfully transfer files from Sun >SPARCstations. We can also use these PC's and MACs to connect through the >terminal servers, then through the Sun's, to this particulal OpenVMS V6.1, >and then kermit will work. > >THIS ALWAYS works >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (terminal server) (sun) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >Also, we've copied the kermit software (including kermit.ini) from a >WORKING PC to a NON-WORKING PC, and this did not solve the problem. > >Also, we can use a LAT server instead of the terminal server, and this >fixes the problem. i.e. >(PC or MAC) <--tele---> (LAT server) (Alpha running VMS V6.1) > >I've used the precompiled version of kermit, and also tried >compiling it myself. > >Does anyone have any cluse on things I can try? > >I've tried setting TTY_TYPAHDSZ and TTY_ALTYPAHD to 2064. I verified >that PQL_MBYTLM is < 2300 + MAXBUF, >and that MAXBUF > 2064, >and that VIRTUALPAGECNT > 50000 >and that BIOLM > 20 >and that BYTLM > 8192 > >info: > C-Kermit 5A (190) > OpenVMS V6.1 on a DECstation 3000 model 600 > Equinox ELG48 terminal server > An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to dig into the terminal server's configuration. There are a couple other possibilities, though. First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over various connection types is somewhat mysterious. Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file transfer. - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:17:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:18:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Loking for kermit for windows version higher than 0.75 Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:17:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6he9$iiv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l090t$e1s@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, John Meyer wrote: >Hi, I'm looking for a good kermit for winsows program. I've already tried >version 0.75, which is around 3 year old program. Is there any newer >version available in shareware? I'll appreciate any info pointing me to >an ftp site. > The only Kermit program that we recommend and support for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit. Current version 3.14. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 26 19:34:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:23:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!wizard.pn.com!dns.crocker.com!news.sprintlink.net!bethe.hartwick.edu!wisanr From: wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Date: 26 Mar 95 14:34:15 -0500 References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Hartwick College Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: >> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >> >> Or is this a State Secret? > ----------- > Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory > kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. > Joe D. No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually send. I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, perhaps, wrong? -- R. N. (Dick) Wisan - Email: internet WISANR@hartwick.edu - Snail: 37 Clinton Street, Oneonta NY 13820, U.S.A. - Just your opinion, please, ma'am: No fax. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:29:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:29:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:29:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3l6i3r$jqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, Dick Wisan wrote: >... >I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by >sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the >key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to >know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that >produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > Some \Kverbs, such as the \Kdec... ones, send the escape sequences that are THOROUGHLY DOCUMENTED in the manual. Others, such as \Kupscrn and \Kdnscn perform actions that are (thoroughly documented in the manual and are) local to MS-DOS Kermit -- in other words, they don't send any characers. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:44:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:45:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PCMag Comm Article Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3l6j13$ldm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l4q3p$11h@pilot.njin.net>, Jim Green wrote: >On p 211 of the 14Mar93 issue of PCMag the data seem to show that several >comm programs performed better than the the theoretical limit for a >compressed file: SmartComm uploads the test 500k .bmp file in 38sec; that >is over 13kcps!!! HyperAccess did it presumably w/o sliding windows in >3:35, which amounts to 2326cps. Qmodem _with_ sliding windows transfered >at 3246cps!!! What is going on here? MS-Kermit can't do this! > It can't? >Is this data valid????? > I don't have the PC Magazine issue handy, but you say it's a "500k .bmp" file. That must be a "Bitmap" file -- i.e. uncompressed screen rasters, so naturally they get compressed by the modems' built-in data compression feature -- V.42bis or whatever -- resulting in the high transfer rates. Kermit would do just as well or better. What's more, if you used Kermit to transfer the SAME file through a pair of modems that did NOT do data compression, Kermit would still get about the same data rate, whereas the other would probably drop down to about 1600 cps. >Do any of these comm programs use an implementation of current MS-Kermit? > No. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 14:47:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:47:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File transfer efficiency question with v.34 modems Date: 27 Mar 1995 14:47:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6j5m$ln9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I recently plugged in two v.34 modems and was able to consistently >get connected at 28800 bps. Both dialout and dialin were from >the same Linux notebook :-) Call out on com2 and receive the call >on com1. >... >I then started using kermit to transfer files. The symptoms I saw >were like this. For a burst of around 10s, both modems would furiously >work (and kermit would show ....). Then there would be a LOOOONG >pause while nothing was going on. Then again a burst of furious activity. >And so on. > Why don't you try the same experiment between two different PCs? That would rule out such things as interrupt conflicts, driver and scheduler peculiarities, and so on. - Frank x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 16:43:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00308 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03788 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:43:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKermit under Warp Date: 27 Mar 1995 16:43:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3l6pv8$3m9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ksefm$et4@mhvnews.kgn.ibm.com>, wrote: >Is there anything special needed to allow MSKERMIT for DOS to run in >a DOS window under OS/2 Warp 3.9? It works fine in full-screen mode and >it previously worked in a window with OS/2 2.10, but it hangs when I >tried it with Warp using the recommended DOS settings. > >Robert Rodriguez > We would need more information to be able to help you. What are you attempting to do. At what point does it hang? I have been using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 successfully under WARP for several months. Without any problems other than those one woudl expect from trying to run a timing sensitive DOS application in a multi-tasking operating system. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 02:51:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard Verbs: What do they send? Message-Id: <1995Mar27.085151.45728@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Mar 95 08:51:51 MDT References: <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu> <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu> <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 193 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar26.143415.2804@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu (Dick Wisan) writes: > In article <1995Mar25.091701.45631@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) > writes: >> In article <1995Mar24.170507.2799@hartwick.edu>, wisanr@hartwick.edu > (Dick Wisan) writes: >>> I'd like to know what some of those MS-DOS Keyboard Macros actually >>> send. In particular, I'd like to know what \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev >>> and \KdecNext do. I understand the effects they produce, but what >>> are the bytes/characters they send over the line? >>> >>> Or is this a State Secret? >> ----------- >> Please see the user's manual or grab file msvibm.vt from directory >> kermit/a on kermit.columbia.edu. >> Joe D. > > No. The manual and msvibm.vt show what effect those verbs produce and > what keys they're bound to. They don't show what bytes the keys actually > send. > > I've discovered, for example, that the DEC "DO" key can be simulated by > sending Esc OS, \27OS in a Kermit macro. This gets the effect of the > key verb \Kdecdo. I have been unable to work out and I would like to > know what the \Kupscn \Kdnscn \KdecPrev and \KdecNext keys send that > produces the effects described in the manual and in msvibm.vt. > > I'm assuming, of course, that each keystroke sends a specific sequence > of bytes, the same sequence every time it's pressed. Is that assumption, > perhaps, wrong? --------------- Ok, I'll spell it out for you. From my working copy of file msvibm.vt: (begin cutout) Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys. Key Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Find decFind CSI 1 ~ these keys Insert Here decInsert CSI 2 ~ send nothing Remove decRemove CSI 3 ~ Select decSelect CSI 4 ~ Prev Screen decPrev CSI 5 ~ Next Screen decNext CSI 6 ~ ~ is ASCII chart 7/14 Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) Codes sent by DEC LK201 keyboard function keys, not preassigned to PC keys Key name Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Hold Screen nothing nothing Print Screen nothing nothing Set-Up nothing nothing F4 nothing nothing F5 (Break) nothing nothing F6 decF6 CSI 17 ~ nothing F7 decF7 CSI 18 ~ nothing F8 decF8 CSI 19 ~ nothing F9 decF9 CSI 20 ~ nothing F10 decF10 CSI 21 ~ nothing F11 (ESC) decF11 CSI 23 ~ ESC F12 (BS) decF12 CSI 24 ~ BS F13 (LF) decF13 CSI 25 ~ LF F14 decF14 CSI 26 ~ nothing Help decHelp CSI 28 ~ nothing Do decDo CSI 29 ~ nothing F17 decF17 CSI 31 ~ nothing F18 decF18 CSI 32 ~ nothing F19 decF19 CSI 33 ~ nothing F20 decF20 CSI 34 ~ nothing Note: F6 - F20 are DEC "User Definable Keys" which means their output can be redefined by the host (not by the terminal owner). See below for method. An often confusing item is knowing the mode of the auxillary keypad: numeric or application. Digital Equipment Corporation designed the terminal to change modes only under command from the remote computer and not at all from the keyboard. So the startup state is numeric/cursor mode, and reception of escape sequences "ESC [ ? 1 h" or "l" changes the mode. Kermit verbs for the keypad and cursor keys generate the correct escape sequences appropriate to the current mode and terminal type. A best attempt is made to safely test for the 101/102 key Enhanced keyboard and use it if present. If it is present then the keyboard translator separates the individual arrow keys from those on the numeric keypad and also separates the asterisk and forward slash keys on the keypad from those on the regular typewriter keyboard. These special Enhanced keyboard keys are reported as scan codes with 4096 added to the base scan code. OTHER IBM KEYS OPERATIONAL IN CONNECT MODE: IBM key IBM Verb Action Keypad Del Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 Backspace (<-) Send ASCII Del code (rubout) \127 (BS is \8) Keypad - MODELINE Toggle mode line on/off (only if Mode Line is enabled and not used by the host). Alt - TERMTYPE Toggle between text and Tek terminal types. Alt = RESET Clear screen and reset terminal emulator to starting (setup) state. Alt b BREAK Send a BREAK signal Alt h HELP Show drop down help menu (detailed below) Alt s STATUS Show settings Alt x EXIT Exit Connect mode, back to Kermit prompt Home HOMSCN Roll screen up (text down) to beginning of storage. End ENDSCN Roll screen down (text up) to end of storage. PgUp UPSCN Roll screen up (back, earlier) one screen. PgDn DNSCN Roll screen down (forward, later) one screen. Ctrl-PgUp UPONE Roll screen up one line. Ctrl-PdDn DNONE Roll screen down one line. Control-PrtSc PRTSCN Toggle on/off copying of received text to printer, "PRN" shows on far right of mode line when activated. Control-End DUMP Dump image of screen to a disk file or device. Default filename is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. Use command SET DUMP to change the filename. Screen images are appended to the file, separated by formfeeds. Graphics screens go to files TEKPLT.TIF. Shift-PrtSc Standard DOS Print-screen, dump screen image to printer. unassigned HOLDSCRN DEC style Holdscreen, same as typing Control-S. ALT-n NEXTSESSION Change to next terminal session, only if using Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. ALT-z NETHOLD Place Network connections "on hold". This means interrupt the normal PC to host connection and invoke the external network control program interface for session management. Works with 3Com(BAPI), Novell(NASI), UB-Net1, etc but not with Kermit's internal TCP/IP protocol stack. unassigned RTONE scroll screen right one column unassigned RTPAGE scroll screen right by 20 columns unassigned LFONE scroll screen left by one column unassigned LFPAGE scroll screen left by 20 columns "Alt -" means hold down Alt and type minus on the upper key rank. This switches among the various kinds of emulation but does not change most operating parameters of the emulator. Follow a new selection with ALT = (verb RESET) to reset the emulator to the current type. (end of cutout) Here we see that not all keys create traffic to the remote host. Upscn etc are local video manipulators only; the host hears nothing about them. The DEC DO key is precisely defined above, and it isn't even close to ESC O S. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 12:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 15:54:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Austria.EU.net!nntp.magwien.gv.at!nntp.advge.magwien.gv.at!usenet From: SAC@advge.magwien.gv.at (Heinz Sack) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Source code in C for Ms-Kermit Date: 27 Mar 1995 12:56:23 GMT Organization: MD-ADV/Ge Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l6cln$2rn@hesnet.advge.magwien.gv.at> References: <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: 141.203.60.213 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kidvd$k76@toads.pgh.pa.us>, isiew@lis.pitt.edu says... > >Hi, has anyone out there written a MS-KERMIT version in C. If so, where can >I find it with drivers and documentation. The ftp site at Columbia U only >holds the assembly version. Thanks > >-- >------------------------------- >- Ivan Siew >isiew@lis.pitt.edu >http://info.pitt.edu/~ihsst/ I am also very interested in the source code for a terminal emulation (VT 100 or better). I need it for special purposes to comunicate between VAX and PC programms. If you get any Information, please contact me. Thank's for all - Heinz Sack From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 15:42:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 27 Mar 1995 22:32:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!usenet From: benkrug@mcs.com (Benjamin Krug) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 15:42:17 GMT Organization: MCSNet Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3l6mcp$gr6@News1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fnbctech.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.90.5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun (Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to my local session, and then... I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it doesn't. It just seems to stop here. At first I was looking for input, but then removed that, and simply did a "pause 20" after my command to escape back to the local kermit session. Everything works fine up to this, but then I'm just left there, in local kermit with a remote server session. Any help? Suggestions? Tips? (I can't find anything to solve this in "Using C-Kermit.) Thanks a lot, Ben Krug benkrug@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:18:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 28 Mar 1995 14:18:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3l95ro$r77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. > The command would be "get readme.txt", not "output get readme.txt". Your OUTPUT command makes it send the string "get readme.txt" to the Kermit server, but: . The Kermit server is no longer in command mode. . Even if it were, you have omitted the trailing carriage return. . The GET command is given to the client, not to the server. So nothing happens. In general, a script program just contains the commands you would type interactively, except it never CONNECTs or "escapes back". Instead, everything that you would type during CONNECT mode is sent to the remote host or service with OUTPUT commands. Carriage returns and other control characters must be included explicitly, as in "output help\13". And everything you read with your eyes is read by Kermit using INPUT commands. And every time you have to pause in real life, you put in a PAUSE command. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 14:20:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 10:28:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!netnet2.netnet.net!awinc.com!usenet From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Notice: Howto InfoNet Date: Tue, 28 Mar 1995 06:20:37 -0800 (PST) Organization: SHEP Communications Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Reply-To: Randal.N.Streilein@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: pme016.awinc.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HOW-TO AUTHORS Made all the money you want yet? 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Abundantly yours, Paulette Ensign From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:23:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18050 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 28 Mar 1995 12:41:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit-CMS File Transfers Date: 28 Mar 1995 17:23:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3l9gme$fs2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3k45hm$m7r@news.manassas.ibm.com> <3kc5k5$9ml@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kcs8s$a2q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3kn9k7$mce@news.manassas.ibm.com>, Randy D Anderson wrote: >Thanks for the pointers to Kermit-370 4.3.1 and the 'APC' command; >but how is it used? Perhaps paradoxically, the primary documentation for the APC subcommand lies at the other end -- all the mainframe Kermit does is pass the command string along for execution to the other Kermit, so the syntax checking is done remotely. > Is it possible to start Kermit-370, then type >one word that will execute a sequence of Kermit commands and then >return (just as the 'pcget' macro in C-Kermit?) The 'ik0aux.cmd' >sample code says the EXEC there can be executed from inside Kermit, >but how? The EXEC's in that file are ordinary CMS EXEC's. No more, no less. They are executed from within Kermit the same as any other CMS command. See the CMS Kermit user's guide (it's free!), particularly the sections on EXEC operation and the SET SYSCMD subcommand. John From news@columbia.edu Mon Mar 27 19:21:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20547 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 02:54:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!usenet From: Richard Aleksandr Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 27 Mar 1995 19:21:34 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.4.4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Folks, I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then '(back at localhostname)' I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more information on why I can't connect. Is there a verbose mode? Perm- missions on /dev/tty1a are wide open. I can connect as a remote terminal from DOS using Procomm Plus so I know the line is o.k. Help! Thanks very much, Richard From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:37:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:37:52 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l83r0$h3i@Mercury.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:26884 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2361 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ajay Shah wrote: >I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are >behaving strangely. > >Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As >long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. >The moment I say connect things get hairy. > >If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, >I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin >486 notebook running linux. What do you need to do that you can't automate with kermit's own scripting? I've been so perverse as to use kermit with a loopback telnet connection to automate things on the local host that need a pty instead of using expect. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Mar 28 04:40:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 04:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help : server script Date: 27 Mar 1995 22:40:03 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3l83v3$h89@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6mcp$gr6@news1.mcs.com>, Benjamin Krug wrote: >Hi, I'd appreciate any help I can get on this. > >I have a C-Kermit (5A) script which dials out from my Sun >(Sparc1000, Solaris 2.3), logs into an internet provider, >invokes C-Kermit there, starts up server, escapes back to >my local session, and then... > >I ask it to get a file ("output get readme.txt"), but it >doesn't. It just seems to stop here. You don't say "output get ..." when the other end is in server mode you just say "get ..." to your end and it automatically tells the server what you want. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 16:21:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 11:21:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SCO Unix kermit problems Date: 29 Mar 1995 16:21:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lc1ea$amu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l737u$pk2@news-2.csn.net>, Richard Aleksandr wrote: >I am running kermit on my SCO PC, attempting to connect via direct >serial line to an HP running HP-UX 9.1 (.01?). I set the line and >speed (/dev/tty1a, 38400) but when I attempt to 'connect' I almost >immediately get the response 'Communcations disconnect' and then >'(back at localhostname)' > >I have no idea, nor am I able to figure out, how to get more >information on why I can't connect. > Try "show communications" or "show modem". It will probably tell you that the Carrier-Detect (CD) signal is off. The underlying device driver normally wants it to be on in order to communicate. Solution: tell C-Kermit to "set carrier off", meaning: don't require carrier. If that doesn't do it, see Chapter 3 of "Using C-Kermit", especially the section on direct serial connections. If that still doesn't do it, get back to me with more details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 01:22:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07519 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 13:24:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!cat.cis.Brown.EDU!news From: hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 01:22:11 GMT Organization: Brown University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: hiroi@relab1.geo.brown.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: tonto-slip5.cis.brown.edu X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2364 comp.os.os2.apps:74180 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22730 bit.listserv.os2-l:28850 comp.dcom.modems:86297 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Due to popular demand in by early Beta testers the Rollback handling has >been significantly altered as of Beta.04. A description of the changes >is listed below. All users are urged to test the new Rollback modes and >return feedback to kermit@columbia.edu. > >C-Kermit 5a(191) Betas may be retrieved via anonymous ftp from > > kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/os2test/cko191.zip > >Or from the Web at > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html > >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >C-Kermit 5a(190) and earlier had a command SET TERMINAL ROLL { ON, OFF }. >This command was named after ability to have the terminal screen continue >to roll from the end of the buffer when new data was received. > >As changes to the terminal emulator have been made this functionality has >appeared to be a bit outdated. What was once a nice way of preventing the >screen from jumping to the end of the buffer while looking at something >from the past has itself become a serious nuisance. > >Therefore, effective Beta.04 SET TERMINAL ROLL has been replaced by >SET TERMINAL ROLL-MODE { INSERT, OVERWRITE }. > >In 5a(191) this is nothing that prevents you from interacting with the host >while viewing the scrollback buffer. The only question is where do you >want new data from the host to be placed. In INSERT mode, the data will be >placed at the end of the buffer just as if you weren't viewing the scrollback >buffer at all. > >In OVERWRITE mode, the data will overwrite the current screen of the >scrollback buffer. Just like the old SET TERMINAL ROLL OFF used to do. > >In fact, ROLL OFF maps directly to ROLL-MODE OVERWRITE and ROLL ON maps >to ROLL-MODE INSERT. > >The new default setting is ROLL-MODE INSERT instead of ROLL OFF. > >Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 >"C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." >"Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." > OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation has a bug. From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 21:54:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 16:54:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Date: 29 Mar 1995 21:54:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lcku4$ns@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2365 comp.os.os2.apps:74205 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22748 bit.listserv.os2-l:28857 comp.dcom.modems:86310 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.brown.edu>, Takahiro Hiroi wrote: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular >emulation has a bug. > If you have found a bug in Beta Test software, why don't you report it directly to the developers. That is what beta tests are for. Use e-mail, not netnews, which gets send to millions of computers all over the world, at considerable cost. The address for reporting bugs is: kermit@columbia.edu Please be specific. Exactly what does not work? And did you consult the documentation first? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 15:31:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:13:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip,bit.listserv.os2-l,comp.dcom.modems Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!proto.ida.org!bah.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!epsilon!usenet From: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta Available for Testing Message-Id: Sender: usenet@epsilon.com Nntp-Posting-Host: cassandra.quantum.epsilon.com Reply-To: ahd@epsilon.com (Drew Derbyshire) Organization: HPC Division, Epsilon Data Management, Burlington, MA 01803 X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 References: <3kmpo4$8nn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3l0ctq$gn6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 15:31:04 GMT Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2366 comp.os.os2.apps:74215 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:22757 bit.listserv.os2-l:28859 comp.dcom.modems:86324 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [Much deleted about features of new OS/2 Kermit beta from kermit.columbai.edu] In <3laco3$9ei@cat.cis.Brown.EDU>, hiroi@pggipl.geo.brown.edu (Takahiro Hiroi) writes: >I tried. VT220 didn't work properly. It is amazing that such a popular emulation >has a bug. First off, send mail directly to jaltman@kermit.columbia.edu. His news feed suffers from the time lag from hell. Second, saying WHAT VT220 emulation error while talking to what platform would be useful. There is no way to fix the problem, or even determine it exists, from the above description. Drew Derbyshire Internet: ahd@epsilon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 23:38:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 19:30:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!yankee!cld From: cld@yankee.caltech.edu (Cheryl L. Southard) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: c-kermit, OpenVMS V6.1, and a terminal server Date: 29 Mar 1995 23:38:41 GMT Organization: Caltech Astronomy Department Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lcr21$9ad@gap.cco.caltech.edu> References: <3kvl2i$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu> <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: yankee.caltech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l6h76$i2j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >An excellent report -- you've covered all the bases. I know this is not >very helpful, but the evidence seems to point the finger at the connection >between the terminal server and VMS. Presumably this is a TCP/IP >connection, since you say the problem doesn't happen with LAT. My guess >would be that the terminal server and the Alpha are negotiating some kind >of "handshaking" that is not working, and the only cure for this is to >dig into the terminal server's configuration. > >There are a couple other possibilities, though. > >First, play with VMS C-Kermit's SET FLOW command. If it is set at NONE, >try XON/XOFF. Or vice versa. The workings of this command in VMS over >various connection types is somewhat mysterious. > >Second, make sure that VMS knows the actual connection speed. For >example, if the user is coming in at 2400 bps, but VMS SHOW TERMINAL says >the speed is 19200, this might result in premature timeouts during file >transfer. > >- Frank Well, neither the "set flow" command or the "sho terminal" stuff fixed the problem. The problem was solved, however, by upgrading my terminal server software. Here's the details on the terminal server: Equinox PBX with ELG 48 card The software on the ELG 48 card WAS at V2.30. Upgrading the ELG 48 card to V2.33 fixes the problem. Thanks for the help, Cheryl From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 17:03:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:00:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!newsserver.sdsc.edu!news.cerf.net!nntp-server.caltech.edu!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!news.byu.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!ktakusa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Clobbering the Last Line Message-Id: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (Ken T. Takusagawa) Date: 28 Mar 95 23:03:56 CST Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Kermit wizards, I am a new user to kermit and have three questions: 1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? 2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression ability the box says it has? I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" after the AT command. 3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? As I transfer binary gzipped files: - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 800 (on my PC) the transmission works kinda OK (but only 71% efficiency -- Is this normal?) - When I SET RECE PACKET 2000 the packet size fluctuates as as the file is transmitted, and efficiency drops to 30% - When I SET RECEIVE PACKET 3000 or above, the transmission does not work, it quits after "Too many retries." Background: MS-Kermit 3.14, Zoom faxmodem 2400 C-Kermit 5a(188) Dec OSF/1 1.0 Thank you very much for help. Ken Takusagawa ktakusa@falcon.cc.ukans.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 20:40:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 29 Mar 1995 22:51:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!englandr From: englandr@netcom.com (William and Alice Englander) Subject: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Message-Id: Organization: William and Alice Englander Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 20:40:32 GMT Lines: 19 Sender: englandr@netcom5.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello - Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the newer features. I understand that the source is available, but I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not the ANSI one. We'd be happy to pay for it if there's a charge. Thanks for your help! Bill -- William and Alice Englander englandr@netcom.com