From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 24 12:35:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04994 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA14839 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.71.76.137!news.campus.mci.net!uky.edu!news.cuny.edu!e66bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Information about protocols Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:10:04 EDT Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98114.121004E66BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8647 Dear readers: I have been reading a book on telecommunication, and I found a lot interesting information. I will like to know what's new about TCP/IP can any one help me. I will appreciate your cooperation in this matters. Thanks in advance. Sincerely, Ana Castillo From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 24 13:54:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA10797 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19007 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.228.4.60!news.cuny.edu!e55bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fiber optic Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:27:02 EDT Lines: 5 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98114.132702E55BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8648 Dear Reader(s); Because of my interest in communication I want that you answer my a particular question. Which you consider is the most important advantage of using fiber optic. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 24 18:51:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA23277 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03950 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-4!van-bc!nntp.portal.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.Stanford.EDU!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.alt.net!inquo!vyzynz!not-for-mail From: "lance wynn" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Direct Serial connection Problems Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:35:41 -0600 Organization: Vyzynz Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6hr4fd$qvh$1@nebo.vii.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: sparky.accessld.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8649 I am trying to use kermit as a bridge into a telephone switch, Till now i have used a direct serial connection with hyperterminal. I am attempting to setup a reliable way to telnet into an NT machine, and establish a serial connection to the switch, the phone switch does not disconnect the session, there is no flow control on the switch, and no carrier detect. My problem is that if the machine gets restarted, the ports become unaccessable to k95, ie: on connect, I am unable to see a prompt, and disconnect time takes up to several minutes to exit kermit, or does not exit at all. This problem can be rectified if before I use kermit I first open the port in Hyperterminal on the server after this I can use k95 with no problem. Is there some sort of initialization command that I don't Know about? Please help. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Apr 24 19:10:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25021 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA04842 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Direct Serial connection Problems Date: 24 Apr 1998 23:10:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6hr64n$hkv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6hr4fd$qvh$1@nebo.vii.com> Reply-To: kermit-support@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8650 In article <6hr4fd$qvh$1@nebo.vii.com>, lance wynn wrote: : I am trying to use kermit as a bridge into a telephone switch, Till now i : have used a direct serial connection with hyperterminal. I am attempting to : setup a reliable way to telnet into an NT machine, and establish a serial : connection to the switch, the phone switch does not disconnect the session, : there is no flow control on the switch, and no carrier detect. : : My problem is that if the machine gets restarted, the ports become : unaccessable to k95, ie: on connect, I am unable to see a prompt, and : disconnect time takes up to several minutes to exit kermit, or does not exit : at all. This problem can be rectified if before I use kermit I first open : the port in Hyperterminal on the server after this I can use k95 with no : problem. Is there some sort of initialization command that I don't Know : about? Please help. : You will need to provide more details: what version of k95? how are you accessing the port? via TAPI as HyperTerminal does or via a DOS device name such as COM1? If you are using a DOS device name see BUGS.TXT for a description of this Windows 95 bug and the work around (k95cinit.exe) that we provide. What operating system are you using? What settings are you instructing K95 to use? Send all of this information to kermit-support@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 27 08:53:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25172 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA00924 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsgate.duke.edu!news-relay.ncren.net!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: fiber optic Date: 27 Apr 1998 12:25:20 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 13 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6i1tfg$11go@f1n1.spenet.wfu.edu> References: <98114.132702E55BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: f1n11.sp2net.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8652 E55BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU wrote: : Because of my interest in communication I want that you answer my a particular : question. Which you consider is the most important advantage of using fiber : optic. Low dispersion. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Department of Physics http://www.wfu.edu/%7Ematthews Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) USA From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Apr 27 15:06:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA08632 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21509 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!gatech!205.252.116.205.MISMATCH!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!Supernews60!supernews.com!uunet!in3.uu.net!news.airnews.net!cabal11.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Chris Mumford" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Information about protocols Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:13:39 -0500 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 14 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6i2058$gvb@library.airnews.net> References: <98114.121004E66BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Mon Apr 27 08:11:04 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: mumfordspc.paradigmsim.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8653 >Dear readers: >I have been reading a book on telecommunication, and I found a lot >interesting information. I will like to know what's new about TCP/IP >can any one help me. I will appreciate your cooperation in this matters. >Thanks in advance. > >Sincerely, > >Ana Castillo Why don't you post this to comp.protocols.tcp-ip? You'll probably get a better response. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 28 11:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03361 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23655 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: spellican@hotmail.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Direct Serial Connect MS DOS Kermit Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:03:21 -0600 Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 136.1.1.19 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Apr 28 15:03:21 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.01C (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/735) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8655 I have an old 8088 (DOS only) and a pentium (Win95) sitting next to each other, and would like to transfer files via serial port (RS-232). I have MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. It is it capable of doing this, and if so how? Thanks in advance! Steve Pellican spellican@hotmail.com -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 28 11:15:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04259 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Direct Serial Connect MS DOS Kermit Date: 28 Apr 1998 15:15:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-ID: <6i4rpt$fbb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8656 In article <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: : I have an old 8088 (DOS only) and a pentium (Win95) sitting next to each : other, and would like to transfer files via serial port (RS-232). I have : MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. It is it capable of doing this, and if so how? : Yes, it is capable. See pages 37-40 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for setting up the connection with a null modem cable, and then use Kermit's client/server features for file transfer and management. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 28 15:53:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA05356 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA07908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.icm.edu.pl!news.man.poznan.pl!news.man.lodz.pl!newsadmin From: "Jolanta Glebska, MSc" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Macro for files transfer Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:53:43 +0200 Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6i5bv2$v1@polonez.man.lodz.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: @biol172.uni.lodz.pl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8657 Hi everyone, I use MSKermit protocol (v. 2.31 /1988) for files transfer from laboratory spectrometer to PC. It takes me a lot of time so I have to write suitable macro (or script). Could anyone help me to resolve this problem? I have any idea about Kermit macro language and how to run a such macro. I will be grateful for any information I could have. Jolka From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Apr 28 23:11:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA24453 for ; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:11:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news.mindspring.net!firehose.mindspring.net!news.airnews.net!cabal10.airnews.net!cabal1.airnews.net!news-f.iadfw.net!usenet From: "Chris Mumford" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:17:39 -0500 Organization: INTERNET AMERICA Lines: 13 Message-ID: X-Orig-Message-ID: <6i5gt6$vgv@library.airnews.net> References: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> NNTP-Proxy-Relay: library.airnews.net NNTP-Posting-Time: Tue Apr 28 16:15:18 1998 NNTP-Posting-Host: mumfordspc.paradigmsim.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8658 >Does anyone know where I can get the source code for the Kermit or >SuperKermit Protocols in either C, Pascal or ADA 83 ? > >Any help will be greatly appretiated. > >Thanks > Chris You can download some older code for both MS-DOS kermit and C-Kermit at ftp.columbia.edu. I also think that they have some more source code for sale at their web page for kermit. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 29 10:42:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA12275 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22937 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: 29 Apr 1998 14:42:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6i7e88$nt7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8659 In article , Chris Mumford wrote: : >Does anyone know where I can get the source code for the Kermit or : >SuperKermit Protocols in either C, Pascal or ADA 83 ? : : You can download some older code for both MS-DOS kermit and C-Kermit at : ftp.columbia.edu. I also think that they have some more source code for sale : at their web page for kermit. : (a) There is no such thing as "SuperKermit". See the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt (b) You can find all Kermit software at the Kermit website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Kermit sources can be found there in C and Pascal (and many other languages), but not Ada. Most of them have copyright notices; please read and honor them. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 29 12:26:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04371 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA28488 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 12:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: Macro for files transfer X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <6i5bv2$v1@polonez.man.lodz.pl> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:20:27 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8660 Jolanta Glebska, MSc (jolka@biol.uni.lodz.pl) wrote: : Hi everyone, : I use MSKermit protocol (v. 2.31 /1988) for files transfer from laboratory : spectrometer to PC. It takes me a lot of time so I have to write suitable : macro (or script). Could anyone help me to resolve this problem? : I have any idea about Kermit macro language and how to run a such macro. : I will be grateful for any information I could have. : Jolka It sounds as if you need to get the book "Using MSDOS Kermit" by Christine Gianone. I have no idea if it is available in your country, though, so you may find it useful to contact Columbia University directly and inquire if they can sell you one via mail. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever." ------------------------------- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) ------------------------------ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Apr 29 16:27:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29771 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA10643 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 29 Apr 1998 16:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!pulsar.dimensional.com!dimensional.com!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!btnet-peer!btnet-feed1!btnet!arbiter-force9-uk!news3-force9-uk!usenet From: chris westcott Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:54:04 +0100 Organization: Force 9 Internet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: 07.usr03.shef.dialup.force9.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8661 Does anyone know where I can get the source code for the Kermit or SuperKermit Protocols in either C, Pascal or ADA 83 ? Any help will be greatly appretiated. Thanks Chris From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 30 09:24:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20535 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01195 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.125.85.9!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!rice!not-for-mail From: salevin_@_caam.rice.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Direct Serial Connect MS DOS Kermit Date: 30 Apr 1998 13:10:47 GMT Organization: SEP Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6i9t8n$m94$1@joe.rice.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.trip.caam.rice.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8662 >In article <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, spellican@hotmail.com writes: >> I have an old 8088 (DOS only) and a pentium (Win95) sitting next to each >> other, and would like to transfer files via serial port (RS-232). I have >> MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. It is it capable of doing this, and if so how? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> Steve Pellican >> spellican@hotmail.com >---------- I've done this twice, once between a win3.1/DOS6.11 machine and a MAC-SE and once between a win95 machine and a DOS5-only PC. In both cases I used a RS-232 connection with a null-modem adaptor. (For the MAC I purchased the little wire-it-yourself RS232 ends into which you plug a modular telephone-like cord (8-wire). For the DOS5 PC I bought a premanufacured cable from a local electronics/computer discount store.) For the MAC-SE transfers I used MS-DOS kermit on the PC side and the builtin VersaTerm kermit support on the MAC side. Point the PC kermit at the correct COM port, set compatible speed and flow control, and put in in server mode. On the MAC side set speed and flow control, and get or put the desired files. For the DOS5 transfers I used MS-DOS kermit on the PC side and the built-in win-95 Hyperterminal on the other. Again set compatible speeds and flow controls, put the DOS5 side in server mode and let 'em rip. Batch transfers work in both cases, but I haven't experimented with kermit scripting and auto-download modes due to infrequency of use. - Stew Levin stew (AT) sep.stanford.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Apr 30 12:11:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24989 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10187 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!psinntp!news.idt.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Direct Serial Connect MS DOS Kermit Message-ID: Date: 28 Apr 98 11:37:19 MDT References: <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8664 In article <6i4r3p$c82$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, spellican@hotmail.com writes: > I have an old 8088 (DOS only) and a pentium (Win95) sitting next to each > other, and would like to transfer files via serial port (RS-232). I have > MS-DOS Kermit 3.15. It is it capable of doing this, and if so how? > > Thanks in advance! > Steve Pellican > spellican@hotmail.com ---------- Connect them with an RS-232 reversing cable. If you need assistance using Kermits please read their installation and operation material. Be aware that you can let Win95 own a serial port and in that case MS-DOS Kermit will be unable to gain control; reconfigure Win95 to get its applications off that serial port or run Kermit without starting the GUI. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 1 11:49:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07973 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22320 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.228.4.60!news.cuny.edu!e66bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: information about tcp/ip Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:44:17 EDT Lines: 7 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98121.114417E66BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8665 DEAR READER: WHAT'S NEW ABOUT TCP/IP. CAN ANYONE HELP ME? THANKS IN ADVANCE FOR YOUR COOPERATION. SINCERELY, ANA CASTILLO From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 1 11:54:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08867 for ; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22570 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 1 May 1998 11:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.228.4.60!news.cuny.edu!e46bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: information about fiber optics Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 11:44:47 EDT Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98121.114447E46BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8666 Dear Reader; I would like to gather some informations about fiber optics and microwave satellite. After reading some books on data communication, I found it very inte resting. sincerely; Rosanny Rodriguez From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 2 13:33:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04055 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10099 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With File Download Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 16:00:22 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6iffut$8v7@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.78 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8668 I'm using Kermit 6 to login to a remote PC and download two .zip files using the kermit protocol. It works OK for the first file, but then seems to hang when attempting to get the second. Here is an excerpt of the script: input 5 Your choice? output k #Select k for kermit protocol input 5 File name? output file1.zip\13 server get file1.zip get file2.zip bye How can I download the second file? -Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 2 13:47:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06393 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA10815 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 2 May 1998 13:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!not-for-mail From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With File Download Date: 2 May 1998 13:47:46 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6ifm82$67l@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6iffut$8v7@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8669 In article <6iffut$8v7@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : I'm using Kermit 6 to login to a remote PC and download : two .zip files using the kermit protocol. It works OK for the first : file, but then seems to hang when attempting to get the : second. : : Here is an excerpt of the script: : : input 5 Your choice? : output k #Select k for kermit protocol : input 5 File name? : output file1.zip\13 : So evidently the PC has some kind of menu and your Kermit script is pretending to interact with it, as you would do when your are typing in CONNECT mode. So far so good... : server : get file1.zip : get file2.zip : bye : Here is where you go wrong. You are putting C-Kermit (I assume that is what you mean by "Kermit 6" in server mode. But the remote PC is still at its menu. So how will they communicate? Furthermore, the two "get" commands will never be executed, since C-Kermit will remain in server mode until commanded by the client to leave it, but there is no client. What to do: 1. Obtain a copy of the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html and read the chapters on script programming. 2. Change your script as follows: input 5 Your choice? if fail stop 1 No protocol prompt output k input 5 File name? if fail stop 1 No Filename prompt output file1.zip\13 receive if fail stop 1 Download of file1.zip failed I don't know what the remote PC does after a transfer. Does it give another "File name?" prompt? Assuming it does, the next part is: input 5 File name? if fail stop 1 No Filename prompt output file2.zip\13 receive if fail stop 1 Download of file2.zip failed Now have your script do whatever it must do to log out, close the connection, or whatever else you want it to do. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 02:45:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA13014 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 02:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA18858 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 02:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ftp Script Problem Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 04:00:10 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6igrtg$ggq@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.161 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8670 I'm attempting to write a script which will ftp to my localhost (for testing purposes) and put a file. In the script below, when the line is reached input 5 {Name (localhost.localdomain:root):} The script does not continue. To obtain the above line I typed: ftp localhost.localdomain and copied the prompt. I currently have the Using C-Kermit book (yellow cover), but it is pre-ftp. I've ordered the second edition which covers ftp, and will hopefully address my problem. clear input set host localhost.localdomain ftp localhost.localdomain input 5 {Name (localhost.localdomain:root):} output super\13 input 9 assword: output mypasswd\13 input 5 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt output ascii\13 ; set binary mode input 20 ftp> ; wait for ftp prompt output {put tmp\13} ; transfer the file input 200 ftp> output bye\13 ; exit ftp From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 12:10:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04060 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA17487 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 12:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ftp Script Problem Date: 3 May 1998 16:10:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6ii4u1$m9n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6igrtg$ggq@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8671 In article <6igrtg$ggq@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : I'm attempting to write a script which will ftp to my : localhost (for testing purposes) and put a file. : In the script below, when the line is reached : You can't use Kermit scripts to do ftp transfers. FTP is not a built-in protocol in C-Kermit. Although it has an "ftp" command, all this does is run the external ftp program. Integrating FTP into Kermit has been on our list for some time, but our list is long and the amount of volunteer help isn't what it used to be. A feature that might allow ftp transfers to be scripted (without actually building ftp protocol into C-Kermit) will be added in C-Kermit 6.1. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 13:01:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA13943 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA19986 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending Mail Question Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:07:05 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6ii7qp$p99@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.110.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8672 Listed below are the last few lines I'd like to add to my automated file xfer script. When I run it, the email is sent, but c-kermit 6.0 is not exited. How can I cleanly exit kermit after sending the message? TIA for all your help Frank. I'm glad to be able to support the C-Kermit project by purchasing your book, as it is an extremely useful tool. run mail root -s 'testing kermit' < my.msg exit 0 quit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 13:04:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14464 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA20154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending Mail Question Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:10:55 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ii81v$p99@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6ii7qp$p99@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.110.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8673 Bernie wrote: > Listed below are the last few lines I'd like > to add to my automated file xfer script. > When I run it, the email is sent, but c-kermit 6.0 > is not exited. > > How can I cleanly exit kermit after sending the message? > > TIA for all your help Frank. I'm glad to be able to support > the C-Kermit project by purchasing your book, as it is an > extremely useful tool. > > run mail root -s 'testing kermit' < my.msg > exit 0 > quit Thanks anyway. I simply added a "output \13" after the run mail command. -Bernie From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 13:29:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA18367 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21357 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 13:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Environment Variable Question Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:35:57 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ii9gt$61j@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.110.171 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8674 Is it possible to set korn shell environment variables from within a c-kermit command file? For example: define \%a FILE1 define \%b FILE2 #run F2=\%b; export F2 run /bin/echo F2=\%b; export F2 #run set F2=\%b -Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 3 14:10:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA26956 for ; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23432 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 3 May 1998 14:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Environment Variable Question Date: 3 May 1998 18:10:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6iibuh$pp5$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ii9gt$61j@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8675 In article <6ii9gt$61j@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : Is it possible to set korn shell environment variables : from within a c-kermit command file? : : For example: : : define \%a FILE1 : define \%b FILE2 : : #run F2=\%b; export F2 : run /bin/echo F2=\%b; export F2 : #run set F2=\%b : Yes, it is possible to set them, but only in the inferior shell that you have started by the RUN command. As soon as it exits, they disappear. A program can not affect its superiors in the process tree. The shell "set" and "export" comands only affect the current process and/or its children. UNIX rules. Contrast with, say, VMS logical names. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 00:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA08309 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA23968 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 00:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!thorn.cc.usm.edu!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newshost.fiu.edu!mustang.cs.fiu.edu!not-for-mail From: apenal01@fiu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Kermit slow? Date: 4 May 1998 04:09:38 GMT Organization: FIU Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mongoose.aul.fiu.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8676 comp.os.msdos.misc:88400 Hi. I just installed Kermit 3.11 for DOS in my old 286 PC with a 14400 bps modem and UART 8250. When I connect to my dial-up UNIX shell account with it, and try to download a file with Kermit for UNIX to that PC, I only get speeds of 300 bytes/s. I even set both Kermits (UNIX and DOS) to 38400 bps and RTS/CTS. However, when I use other terminal programs, like ProComm with ZMODEM, I get good 1.4 Kb/s speeds. Is Kermit this bad or am I missing any setting(s)? E-mail me. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 10:39:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19358 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA13326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 10:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Re: Kermit slow? Date: 4 May 1998 14:38:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6ikju0$qk6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8677 comp.os.msdos.misc:88410 In article <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu>, wrote: : Hi. I just installed Kermit 3.11 for DOS in my old 286 PC with a 14400 : bps modem and UART 8250. When I connect to my dial-up UNIX shell account : with it, and try to download a file with Kermit for UNIX to that PC, I : only get speeds of 300 bytes/s. I even set both Kermits (UNIX and : DOS) to 38400 bps and RTS/CTS. However, when I use other terminal : programs, like ProComm with ZMODEM, I get good 1.4 Kb/s speeds. Is Kermit : this bad or am I missing any setting(s)? E-mail me. : This is perhaps the most frequently asked question about Kermit protocol, and so the answer can be found in the Kermit Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Briefly: Kermit is slow if you use the default tuning, which is designed to make it work "out of the box" even on very poor connections. You can issue some simple commands to make it go as fast as the connection will allow, provided you have good Kermit software implementations on each end of the connection. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 11:51:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05642 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17179 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 11:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.os.aos,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: parameter btw kermit and aos/vs Date: 4 May 1998 15:51:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6iko5a$t1d$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.aos:1367 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8678 In article , Thierry Wautelet wrote: : I would like to pass a value between an AOS/VS macro and : a Kermit script. : I'll show you how to do it in UNIX and then maybe you or somebody else who knows more about AOS/VS than I do can explain how to do it there. Suppose you have a UNIX shell script called "send" that is supposed to send a file with Kermit. It might look like this: kermit -s $1 If you invoke it like this: send foo.bar the UNIX shell substitutes "foo.bar" for the formal parameter "$1". Now suppose suppose you have a Kermit script program stored in a file called "myscript.ksc", and it uses a variable \%f to represent a filename, and you want to run this script from the UNIX command line, passing the filename to the script. You would do this with a shell script like this: kermit -C "define \%f $1, take myscript.ksc" My guess at an AOS/VS translation of this would be: kermit -C "define \%%f %1%, take myscript.ksc" (I assume the "%" in "\%f" would need to be quoted somehow...) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 22:04:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA20761 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA19240 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.210.64.20!newsfeed.maine.rr.com!not-for-mail From: "Judas" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Xmodem problems in K95... Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 21:56:30 -0400 Organization: Road Runner Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6ilqda$5sq$1@proxye2.maine.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dt054n77.maine.rr.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3007.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3007.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8679 I am trying to download a file via Xmodem with K95 1.1.16 and keep getting an exemption error. The error is "the instruction at '0x0055e9b0' referenced memory at '0x0000000a'. The memory could not be 'read'". At that point the only option is to press OK to exit the dialog box. The message comes up when the download actually starts by the remote site. To duplicate the error fee free to enter this text into a .ini file and call the .ini file with k95 file.ini. Here is the settings that I am calling k95 with... The hwion.dat file can contain any information. Anyone have any ideas on this one? SET FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE SET TERMINAL TYPE TTY SET PORT TAPI SET MODEM TYPE TAPI SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON SET PROTO XMODEM CLEAR INPUT DIAL 1-219-748-5527 define \%e Errors logging in wait 2 send HwiOn.dat if failure goto writerr From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 22:23:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA22600 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA20295 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 22:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Xmodem problems in K95... Date: 5 May 1998 02:23:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6ilt79$nvl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ilqda$5sq$1@proxye2.maine.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8680 In article <6ilqda$5sq$1@proxye2.maine.rr.com>, Judas wrote: : I am trying to download a file via Xmodem with K95 1.1.16 and keep getting : an exemption error. The error is "the instruction at '0x0055e9b0' : referenced memory at '0x0000000a'. The memory could not be 'read'". At : that point the only option is to press OK to exit the dialog box. The : message comes up when the download actually starts by the remote site. To : duplicate the error fee free to enter this text into a .ini file and call : the .ini file with k95 file.ini. Here is the settings that I am calling k95 : with... The hwion.dat file can contain any information. : : Anyone have any ideas on this one? : : SET FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE : SET TERMINAL TYPE TTY : SET PORT TAPI : SET MODEM TYPE TAPI : SET TAPI MODEM-DIALING ON : SET PROTO XMODEM : CLEAR INPUT : DIAL 1-219-748-5527 : : define \%e Errors logging in : wait 2 : send HwiOn.dat : if failure goto writerr : : There is a known problem with 1.1.16 where an XMODEM transfer may crash if the carrier detect signal drops during the transfer. This (and all other bugs we know about) are documented in the newbugs.txt file accessible at ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 23:33:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA02899 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA23900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Error Handling Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 03:31:07 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6im161$mqo@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.74 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8682 Listed below is a code fragment which I hoped would handle modem errors. However, when I turn the modem off, it locks up. Is there a method I can use to handle errors, even if the modem were powered off? set count 3 :LOOP pause output AT\13 input 3 OK if success goto ok if count goto loop Stop 1 Can't communicate with modem at \m(max_speed) :OK ; Initialize the modem. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 4 23:53:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA04742 for ; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24935 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 4 May 1998 23:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Handling Disconnections Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 03:51:52 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6im2cu$5g0@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.24 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8683 I have a script which connects to a remote PC running Procomm+ and downloads two files. If the file(s) don't exist, the remote PC hangs up and the script returns to the C-Kermit@localhost> prompt. An entry regarding the download failure is not written to the session log file until I manualy type quit. How can I handle this situation automatically? -Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 00:31:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA09855 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA26468 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 00:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Error Handling Date: 5 May 1998 04:31:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-ID: <6im4n4$s21$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6im161$mqo@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8684 In article <6im161$mqo@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : Listed below is a code fragment which I hoped would : handle modem errors. However, when I turn the modem off, : it locks up. Is there a method I can use to handle errors, even if : the modem were powered off? : : : set count 3 : :LOOP : pause : output AT\13 : input 3 OK : if success goto ok : if count goto loop : Stop 1 Can't communicate with modem at \m(max_speed) : : :OK ; Initialize the modem. : This doesn't work when the modem is off because you probably have some form of flow control active. If the flow control is hardware (RTS/CTS) then the OUTPUT will block until the Clear To Send signal is high. SET FLOW NONE before the OUTPUT and you shoudl be fine. Just remember to set it back to the real flow control when you are done. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 11:19:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06145 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28630 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.228.4.60!news.cuny.edu!e61bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: wan Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:09:50 EDT Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98125.110950E61BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8685 to whom may concern: Iam computer operation student and Iam interesting in gathering information about wire area networkss. If there is anyone out there who could refer me to a good book or article about this subject, I will be appresiated. thank sincerely; nadia sierra From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 11:32:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09825 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29457 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 11:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.nyu.edu!feed.nntp.acc.ca!torfree!af137 From: af137@torfree.net (Al Aab) Subject: Re: Kermit slow? Message-ID: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Organization: Toronto Free-Net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 07:16:34 GMT Lines: 7 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8686 comp.os.msdos.misc:88439 forget kermit go zmodem go -- =-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- al aab, seders moderator sed u soon it is not zat we do not see the s o l u t i o n -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 12:15:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA18680 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Handling Disconnections Date: 5 May 1998 16:15:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6indun$koh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6im2cu$5g0@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8687 In article <6im2cu$5g0@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : I have a script which connects to a remote PC running : Procomm+ and downloads two files. If the file(s) don't : exist, the remote PC hangs up and the script returns to : the C-Kermit@localhost> prompt. : : An entry regarding the download failure is not written : to the session log file until I manualy type quit. : : How can I handle this situation automatically? : The session log only records what comes in during CONNECT mode. Use LOG TRANSACTIONS and/or IF SUCCESS or IF FAILURE after the C-Kermit file transfer commands. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 12:47:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26246 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03283 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 12:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.si.com!126.28.0.214 From: tillman_brian.no.junk@si.com (Brian Tillman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Re: Kermit slow? Date: 5 May 1998 12:31:09 -0500 Organization: Smiths Industries Lines: 13 Message-ID: <354f3ecd.0@news.si.com> References: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: challenger.si.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8688 comp.os.msdos.misc:88441 In article , af137@torfree.net says... > > forget kermit > go zmodem go Did that make you feel like a man? -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 16:27:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14214 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14379 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!208.134.241.18!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.63.63.70!nwnews.wa.com!brokaw.wa.com!not-for-mail From: trosmus@beaker.nwnexus.com (Tim Rosmus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: redirect on DU 4.0b Date: 5 May 1998 13:11:07 -0700 Organization: NorthWest Nexus Inc. Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6inror$b6$1@beaker.nwnexus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: beaker.nwnexus.com X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #117 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8689 Using the following just results with SZ sending stuff to the screen and not to the open line... ermit> redirect sz -a $file BS******** Then it eventually times out. What am I missing? Does this work with Dec UNIX 4.0b? Version is "C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Digital UNIX 4.0 Alpha" -- Tim Rosmus Postmaster / USENET / DNS Northwest Nexus Inc. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 16:48:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19918 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15449 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!not-for-mail From: Victor Polidoro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HP 48G Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 15:39:31 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois Lines: 10 Message-ID: <354F7903.97049C3B@students.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: rochester-59.slip.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8690 I'm looking to use Kermit to transfer files, via a serial port, from my PC to an HP 48G Graphing Calculator. I've never used Kermit and would be greatly appreciative of advice or help anyone has to offer. -- Victor Polidoro University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 16:53:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA20847 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15693 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: redirect on DU 4.0b Date: 5 May 1998 20:53:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 98 Message-ID: <6inu8i$161$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6inror$b6$1@beaker.nwnexus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8691 In article <6inror$b6$1@beaker.nwnexus.com>, Tim Rosmus wrote: : Using the following just results with SZ sending stuff to the : screen and not to the open line... : : ermit> redirect sz -a $file : BS******** : : Then it eventually times out. : : What am I missing? Does this work with Dec UNIX 4.0b? : : Version is "C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Digital UNIX 4.0 Alpha" : >From the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt 38 Problems Using XYZMODEM External Protocols in C-Kermit From: fdc@kermit.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aix Subject: Re: Kermit Using External Protocols - XYZ modem Date: 21 Nov 1997 14:39:12 GMT In article <3474C6B4.6819@amscomp.com>, Stephen Tait wrote: : I am having problems sendig a file from AIX 3.2/4.X over a modem to : a DOS BBS system using Kermit and XMODEM. Using Kermit I dial the : BBS, connect, enter login and password and the file name that I want : to send to it. At this point the DOS BBS informs me to select a : protocol: : : - for PCPLUS (DOS to DOS), I select PgUp, X for XMODEM, enter the : filename and it all works fine. : : - for AIX, with Kermit 6.0.192 and XYZMODEM protocols from OMEN : Technology site, I cannot send the file to the BBS because I don't : know what the equivilant command for "PgUp"(send) in PCPLUS is in : Kermit. Also I have used scripting to autologin to the BBS send the : file using the (sx) XMODEM command but all I get is a hung : terminal:.( : : I have tried Kermit Support and they tell me, I quote "Omen Tech : versions of sz rz ... do not allow redirection of stdio.You will : need to find public domain versions of these protocols if you want : to use them or purchase appropriate versions from Omen Tech." : : I find this hard to believe, and if somebody knows anything that can : be of help I would be extremely gratefull:.) : By popular demand, C-Kermit 6.0 includes the ability to run external protocols. X-, Y-, and ZMODEM are external protocols to Kermit. External means external, not built-in, and that they come from elsewhere, not from the Kermit Project; you have to find your own source for external protocol modules. You are no doubt using Kermit to run your external protocols because the sz/rz/sx/rx/sb/rb programs that you have will not make connections for you. They were never designed or intended to do that. Furthermore, as you have learned, these programs do not meet the fundamental requirement for an external protocol module: to transfer files over standard input/output, which Kermit can then redirect over the communications connection that it has made. That's because, starting in about 1988, the sz/rz/sx/rx/sb/rb programs were changed to prevent this. In other words, they are not designed or intended to be used as external protocols. This has nothing to do with C-Kermit or the Kermit Project. So you have five choices: 1. Use Kermit protocol instead of X-, Y-, or ZMODEM. No worries with getting software from different makers to mesh. 2. Find old versions of sz/rz/sx/rx/sb/rb that use standard i/o, and can therefore be redirected. These are not, and can not be, supplied by the Kermit Project. 3. License modern versions of sz/rz/sx/rx/sb/rb from Omen Technology that can be used as external protocols. 4. License a monolithic program such as Pro-Yamm from Omen Technology so you won't need to run C-Kermit at all. 5. Something entirely different from 1-4. Personally, I do not like solution (2). Software makers have to eat too, and they don't like being held responsible for 10-year old versions of their software, when they have spent the ensuing years improving it in countless ways. Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 16:54:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21080 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15707 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 16:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HP 48G Date: 5 May 1998 20:54:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6inuag$16r$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <354F7903.97049C3B@students.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8692 In article <354F7903.97049C3B@students.uiuc.edu>, Victor Polidoro wrote: : I'm looking to use Kermit to transfer files, via a serial port, from my : PC to an HP 48G Graphing Calculator. I've never used Kermit and would : be greatly appreciative of advice or help anyone has to offer. : Most Kermit programs have manuals that explain how to use them. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 5 20:04:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA27271 for ; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA25467 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 5 May 1998 20:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: File Download Display Different Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:02:51 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.230 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8693 At work we have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on UnixWare 2.03. At home I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on Linux 2.0.31. Listed below is the the screen which is displayed by CKermit on UnixWare. On my Linux box, there are only about three lines of information displayed during file downloads. Why are they so different? C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, acer Current Directory: /home/oper Communication Device: /dev/term/i1H Communication Speed: 19200 Parity: none RTT/Timeout: 01 / 02 RECEIVING: c980504.zip => c980504.zip File Type: BINARY File Size: 569017 Percent Done: 51 /////////////////////////- ...10...20...30...40...50...60...70...80...90..100 Estimated Time Left: 00:2 Transfer Rate, CPS: 222 Window Slots: 1 of 1 Packet Type: D Packet Count: Packet Length: 8 Error Count: 0 Last Error: Last Message: X to cancel file, Z to cancel group, to resend last packet, E to send Error packet, ^C to quit immediately, ^L to refresh screen. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 00:03:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26034 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA07788 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 00:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!wnfeed!204.127.130.5!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Date Bug? Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 04:01:46 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.168 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8694 There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued from C-Kermit and then the command line. How can I set these to be the same? C-Kermit@localhost> date Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 C-Kermit@localhost> qui /home/super/kermit> date Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 01:52:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA14867 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11247 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 01:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.direct.ca!novia!news.unisys.com.br!news.eskimo.com!eskimo.com!wue From: wue@eskimo.com (Enoch Wu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit & Bidirectional Serial Line Date: 6 May 1998 05:38:09 GMT Organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6iot01$i7d$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: eskimo.com Summary: Kermit 6.0.192 on dial-in /out line Keywords: Linux, Kermit & Serial I/O X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8695 On a bidirectional serial line (dial in & out), OUTPUT command works from the keyboard but refuses to work from a script file (TAKE script.ksc). By removing the dial-in capability attributed to agetty, the script works fine on my Linux box (Slackware 2.00). The simple solution is to use 2 serial ports. But I really need 3 for the remote monitoring system. Can I get away with using just 2 ports ? I'd appreciate any thoughts on this. EW PS. C-Kermit (6.0) Book is very good- well written and easy to follow. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 10:08:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05587 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25688 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Download Display Different Date: 6 May 1998 14:08:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6ipqs3$rm8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8696 In article <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : At work we have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on : UnixWare 2.03. At home I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 : running on Linux 2.0.31. Listed below is the the screen : which is displayed by CKermit on UnixWare. : On my Linux box, there are only about three lines of : information displayed during file downloads. : Why are they so different? : It sounds like you need a manual. File-transfer display options are explained on pages 183-185 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 10:22:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA07744 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26404 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 6 May 1998 14:21:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8697 In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit : 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued : from C-Kermit and then the command line. : : How can I set these to be the same? : : C-Kermit@localhost> date : Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 : : C-Kermit@localhost> qui : /home/super/kermit> date : Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 : I've never seen this before. C-Kermit gets the date and time (as you might expect) by asking the operating system. The DATE command simply prints the string returned by the OS. The exact method for getting the date depends on the operating system. In most forms of UNIX, the method is to call time(0), which returns GMT, and then convert to a local-time string by passing the time(0) result to ctime(), which is supposed to return local time. It looks like there might be some confusion about this on your computer. Locally (in the Eastern USA timezone), the Kermit "date" command returns the local date and time. If you want to look at the code, see function ztime() in ckufio.c. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 10:27:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08651 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26647 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit & Bidirectional Serial Line Date: 6 May 1998 14:27:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6iprvv$sbi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6iot01$i7d$1@eskinews.eskimo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Linux, Kermit & Serial I/O Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8698 In article <6iot01$i7d$1@eskinews.eskimo.com>, Enoch Wu wrote: : On a bidirectional serial line (dial in & out), OUTPUT command works from : the keyboard but refuses to work from a script file (TAKE script.ksc). : : By removing the dial-in capability attributed to agetty, the script works : fine on my Linux box (Slackware 2.00). : : The simple solution is to use 2 serial ports. But I really need 3 for the : remote monitoring system. Can I get away with using just 2 ports ? : : I'd appreciate any thoughts on this. : : PS. C-Kermit (6.0) Book is very good- well written and easy to follow. : Thanks. I suspect you must have included a CONNECT command in your script where you shouldn't have. See the material on the bottom of page 419 that continues to page 420. If you remove the CONNECT command, the OUTPUT commands should work as expected. If this diagnosis is not correct, please follow up by email to: kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 10:52:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15363 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27913 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 6 May 1998 14:52:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-ID: <6iptf6$t8i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8699 In article <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, : Bernie wrote: : : There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit : : 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued : : from C-Kermit and then the command line. : : : : How can I set these to be the same? : : : : C-Kermit@localhost> date : : Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 : : : : C-Kermit@localhost> qui : : /home/super/kermit> date : : Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 : : : I've never seen this before. C-Kermit gets the date and time : (as you might expect) by asking the operating system. The : DATE command simply prints the string returned by the OS. : : The exact method for getting the date depends on the operating : system. In most forms of UNIX, the method is to call time(0), : which returns GMT, and then convert to a local-time string by : passing the time(0) result to ctime(), which is supposed to : return local time. : : It looks like there might be some confusion about this on your : computer. Locally (in the Eastern USA timezone), the Kermit : "date" command returns the local date and time. : : If you want to look at the code, see function ztime() in : ckufio.c. : : - Frank This might provide a bit of a clue. Most Unix system have their hardware clocks set to GMT instead of local time. All of the C runtime library time functions make this assumption. It appears that you have your hardware clock set to local time and somehow the 'date' command knows this but the C run time functions (and therefore C-Kermit) do not. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 10:52:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15373 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27917 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 10:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!camelot.ccs.neu.edu!not-for-mail From: Rich Pieri Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 06 May 1998 10:48:12 -0400 Organization: Prescient Technologies, Inc. Lines: 31 Sender: ratinox@swec-fw-e0.swec.com Message-ID: References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: swec-fw-e0.swec.com X-No-Archive: yes Mail-Copies-To: never X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.4.66/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8700 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Bernie writes: > How can I set these to be the same? > C-Kermit@localhost> date > Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > C-Kermit@localhost> qui > /home/super/kermit> date > Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 They are the same. 03:59:03 GMT = 23:59:03 EDT. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 4.0 Business Edition Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBNVB4KJ6VRH7BJMxHAQH2kAP/X54zSd8eoaOAYJyvxXOP79bZCAJ7m8eL qv1Nhb/ZGpGWg88t117Us8It4TvvCX4O8nhehCD/SM2uwSJ7we3EMmtDampdsFFv Xoqq6SuEs4SgaWHBAbO2eOrWmDq6mnYNe+3xWaiyvOJSKHLs7UhIAJbN/xJUcIss sOzxQaEcrHc= =XgDa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Rich Pieri / Happy Fun Ball may stick to certain Sysmonster, Unix Wrangler / types of skin. Prescient Technologies, Inc. / I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC / From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 11:12:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19471 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29026 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!newsstand.cit.cornell.edu!kimoto From: kimoto@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu (Paul Kimoto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 6 May 1998 15:02:52 GMT Organization: Cornell University Lines: 28 Sender: pk14@cornell.edu (Verified) Message-ID: References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kimoto@spacenet.tn.cornell.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: bayes.tn.cornell.edu X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.5.2 UNIX) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8701 In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: > There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit > 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued > from C-Kermit and then the command line. > > How can I set these to be the same? > > C-Kermit@localhost> date > Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > > C-Kermit@localhost> qui > /home/super/kermit> date > Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 Is this a mixed libc5/libc6 system? The two libraries have their ideas of the correct time zone set independently. If that's the case, then the library to which C-Kermit is linked is set to GMT or is not set to any time zone. (For your _primary_ library, /etc/localtime should correspond to the appropriate file in /usr/{lib,share}/zoneinfo/. On my mixed system, /usr/i486-linuxglibc/etc/localtime corresponds to the appropriate file below /usr/i486-linuxglibc/share/zoneinfo/.) -- ||| "It was not granted you to complete the task, and ||| ||| yet you may not give it up." --Rabbi Tarfon ||| | Paul Kimoto | From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 11:13:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19514 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29037 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 11:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news.magicnet.net!news.lightlink.com!news2.lightlink.com!kimoto From: kimoto@lightlink.com (Paul Kimoto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 6 May 98 15:11:13 GMT Organization: Lightlink Internet Lines: 26 Message-ID: References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> Reply-To: kimoto@lightlink.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.168.1.12 X-Newsreader: slrn (0.9.4.6 UNIX) X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.232.34.99 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8702 In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: > There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit > 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued > from C-Kermit and then the command line. > > How can I set these to be the same? > > C-Kermit@localhost> date > Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > > C-Kermit@localhost> qui > /home/super/kermit> date > Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 Is this a mixed libc5/libc6 system? The two libraries have their ideas of the correct time zone set independently. If that's the case, then the library to which C-Kermit is linked is set to GMT or is not set to any time zone. (For your _primary_ library, /etc/localtime should correspond to the appropriate file in /usr/{lib,share}/zoneinfo/. On my mixed system, /usr/i486-linuxglibc/etc/localtime corresponds to the appropriate file below /usr/i486-linuxglibc/share/zoneinfo/.) -- Paul Kimoto From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 12:03:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01469 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01797 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:03:23 -0400 (EDT) From: dold@17.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Subject: Re: Kermit slow? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Date: 4 May 1998 14:58:06 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6ikl1v$91o$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> <6ikju0$qk6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!cs.uoregon.edu!usenet.cat.pdx.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!news-out.internetmci.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!209.150.160.22!newsfeed.wli.net!news.he.net!news.lava.net!coconut-wireless!news.flex.com!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8703 comp.os.msdos.misc:88477 : In article <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu>, wrote: : : Hi. I just installed Kermit 3.11 for DOS in my old 286 PC with a 14400 : : bps modem and UART 8250. When I connect to my dial-up UNIX shell account Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : This is perhaps the most frequently asked question about Kermit protocol, : and so the answer can be found in the Kermit Frequently Asked Questions : (FAQ): : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt Unless it's obvious in the FAQ... Kermit 3.11 is... 8 years old? Try 3.15. 8250 UART at 14.4 on a 286? Hmmm. It would have been nice to have a 16550 chip. On the other hand, I used to have a 19200 direct link on an 8MHz 286 with an 8250, and kermit at the time transferred about 1800 cps. Frank mentions tuning away from the "works in the jungle" defaults, but some of the best parts weren't in really old kermit. I don't remember if 3.11 has them. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 12:27:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05827 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA03081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: File Download Display Different X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 10:41:17 GMT Lines: 27 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8704 Bernie (bfb@worldnet.att.net) wrote: : At work we have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on : UnixWare 2.03. At home I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 : running on Linux 2.0.31. Listed below is the the screen : which is displayed by CKermit on UnixWare. : On my Linux box, there are only about three lines of : information displayed during file downloads. : Why are they so different? Perhaps you forgot to say: set file display fullscreen or perhaps when you compiled it you did not include the option: -DCK_CURSES which you must do before the first suggestion will work. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- "For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen." ----------------------------- Jude 1:24,25 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 12:58:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13276 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04588 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355094DE.30DEFECF@hp.com> Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 18:50:40 +0200 From: Miguel Angel Turrado Organization: HP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with modems & HP-UX 10.20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: apc1mt09.spain.hp.com Lines: 63 X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!isoit370.bbn.hp.com!apc1mt09.spain.hp.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8705 Hello, We want to use kermit 6.0 in a HP-UX 10.20 machine with a multitech modem. With the 'cu' command all work properly (cu -s9600 -lcul0p7 dir), it responds to 'at' commands, and we can connect to the other machine. We'd like to use kermit. We use: set modem direct set line /dev/cul0p7 set speed 9600 set parity none and then, 'connect'. The system responds: "Connecting to /dev/cul0p7, speed 9600 The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options" and we can't write anything else (for example an 'at' command, atdt 02633340). If we write the scape character with 's' , we see: CD: Off DSR: Off CTS: Off RI: On DTR: On RTS: Off By other way, if we try to use the 'dial' command, kermit answers that we must SET MODEM first, because it seems that with 'direct' it doesn't work. Instead, with 'SET MODEM MULTITECH', we can dial. Kermit answers: "Trying 02633340 ... Device /dev/cul0p7, modem: multitech, speed 9600 Dial timeout: 43 seconds To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C)." But nothing else appears, and after several minutes without answer, we need to press Ctrl-C. If we try now (with the modem defined like multitech, non like direct) the command 'connect', kermit answers: "Connecting to /dev/cul0p7, speed 9600 The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options" and the system hangs, and we need to execute a 'kill' of the process Are we doing anything wrong? Do you know other way to get connection with the other machine? Thanks in advance for your answer. Miguel Angel Turrado e-mail: miguel-angel_turrado@hp.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 15:07:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA11023 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11126 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 15:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with modems & HP-UX 10.20 Date: 6 May 1998 19:07:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 93 Message-ID: <6iqccv$8ip$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <355094DE.30DEFECF@hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8706 In article <355094DE.30DEFECF@hp.com>, Miguel Angel Turrado wrote: : We want to use kermit 6.0 in a HP-UX 10.20 machine with a multitech : modem. : : With the 'cu' command all work properly (cu -s9600 -lcul0p7 dir), : it responds to 'at' commands, and we can connect to the other machine. : : We'd like to use kermit. We use: : : set modem direct : set line /dev/cul0p7 : set speed 9600 : set parity none : : and then, 'connect'. The system responds: : : "Connecting to /dev/cul0p7, speed 9600 : The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options" : : and we can't write anything else (for example an 'at' command, atdt : 02633340). If we write the scape character with 's' , we see: : : CD: Off : DSR: Off : CTS: Off : RI: On : DTR: On : RTS: Off : : By other way, if we try to use the 'dial' command, kermit : answers that we must SET MODEM first, because it seems that with : 'direct' it doesn't work. Instead, with 'SET MODEM MULTITECH', we can : dial. Kermit answers: : : "Trying 02633340 ... : Device /dev/cul0p7, modem: multitech, speed 9600 : Dial timeout: 43 seconds : To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C)." : : But nothing else appears, and after several minutes without : answer, we need to press Ctrl-C. : : If we try now (with the modem defined like multitech, non like : direct) the command 'connect', kermit answers: : : "Connecting to /dev/cul0p7, speed 9600 : The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options" : : and the system hangs, and we need to execute a 'kill' of the : process : : Are we doing anything wrong? Do you know other way to get connection : with the other machine? : If you want to use the DIAL command (which is the recommended method for making a dialed connection), then: set modem type multitech set line /dev/cul0p7 set speed 9600 set parity none set dial display on dial 02633340 if success connect ; or whatever... If you want to CONNECT to the modem and type AT commands it at: set modem type none set line /dev/cul0p7 set speed 9600 set parity none set carrier-watch off connect If these do not work, something is wrong. Let's consider only the DIAL command. Use the sequence above and see what is shown while the DIAL command is working. If the cause of the problem does not become obvious to you, send the details by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. However, there are a few other, non-Kermit, items regarding changes (or bugs) in HP-UX that occurred after 10.00 and after C-Kermit 6.0 was released. These can be addressed by installing HP-UX patches and/or a rebuilt Kermit program. We will be announcing a public Beta test of C-Kermit 6.1 soon that addresses these issues. Watch this space for announcements. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 19:35:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA06684 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA25592 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 19:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!news.cup.hp.com!news-am.pso.hp.com!not-for-mail From: Mark Haas Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 13:59:29 -0400 Organization: Hewlett-Packard, PSO-Americas Lines: 21 Message-ID: <3550A501.BA383379@hp.com> References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: f4417vmh.esr.hp.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (WinNT; I) To: Bernie Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8707 Bernie - Have you considered your time zone? EDT is 4 hours behind UCT (Greenwich). -- Mark Bernie wrote: > > There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit > 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued > from C-Kermit and then the command line. > > How can I set these to be the same? > > C-Kermit@localhost> date > Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > > C-Kermit@localhost> qui > /home/super/kermit> date > Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 6 21:07:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA16678 for ; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA00373 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 6 May 1998 21:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Download Display Different Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 22:45:56 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6iqp79$55e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> References: <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6ipqs3$rm8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.112.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8708 Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, > Bernie wrote: > : At work we have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on > : UnixWare 2.03. At home I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 > : running on Linux 2.0.31. Listed below is the the screen > : which is displayed by CKermit on UnixWare. > : On my Linux box, there are only about three lines of > : information displayed during file downloads. > : Why are they so different? > : > It sounds like you need a manual. File-transfer display > options are explained on pages 183-185 of "Using C-Kermit", > 2nd Edition: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html > > - Frank I have the manual (Second editon) -Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 7 01:24:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA21238 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:24:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11721 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 May 1998 01:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 05:22:08 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 48 Message-ID: <6irge5$a23@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6iq2pb$dd0$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.110.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8709 dold@04.usenet.us.com wrote: > : Bernie wrote: > : : There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit > : : 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued > : : from C-Kermit and then the command line. > > : : C-Kermit@localhost> date > : : Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > > : : C-Kermit@localhost> qui > : : /home/super/kermit> date > : : Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > : I've never seen this before. C-Kermit gets the date and time > : (as you might expect) by asking the operating system. The > > In Unix, the time is kept as GMT, which, with Daylight Savings, is the four > hour difference from EDT that you are seeing. > > I suspect that your TZ variable is not being exported to subsequent shells. > Usually in either /etc/profile or /ect/TZ, your local timezone will be set, > and exported. > > You should see the same effect by entering an editor and invoking date from > within the editor. > > Or, run "env" from the command line, look for TZ, "sh" to invoke a > sub-shell, and "env" again. > > for a bourne sh, the command would look like > TZ=PST8PDT export TZ > > Actually, there is a much fancier new setting for SVR4, but I forget what > it is. Linux might adhere to the new standard. > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. Yes, I had my TZ environment variable set to EDT to correct a bug with BRU2000. -Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 7 03:29:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13689 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA18135 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!europa.clark.net!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: Date Bug? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6iptf6$t8i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 01:53:57 GMT Lines: 31 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8710 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <6iprm7$s4s$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, : : Bernie wrote: : : : There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit : : : 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued : : : from C-Kermit and then the command line. : : It looks like there might be some confusion about this on your : : computer. Locally (in the Eastern USA timezone), the Kermit : : "date" command returns the local date and time. : This might provide a bit of a clue. Most Unix system have their : hardware clocks set to GMT instead of local time. All of the : C runtime library time functions make this assumption. : It appears that you have your hardware clock set to local time : and somehow the 'date' command knows this but the C run time functions : (and therefore C-Kermit) do not. On my Linux system (mostly stock Red Hat 4.1) both the date command and kermit's date command return the same value and my clock is set to local time. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ------------------------ ---- Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom. ----------------------------- Isaiah 40:28 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 7 03:54:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18063 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA19405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 May 1998 03:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!worldnet.att.net!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 05:25:03 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6irgjk$a23@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.110.41 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8711 Paul Kimoto wrote: > In article <6ionbf$s3g@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: > > There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit > > 6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued > > from C-Kermit and then the command line. > > > > How can I set these to be the same? > > > > C-Kermit@localhost> date > > Wed May 6 03:59:03 1998 > > > > C-Kermit@localhost> qui > > /home/super/kermit> date > > Tue May 5 23:59:08 EDT 1998 > > Is this a mixed libc5/libc6 system? The two libraries have their ideas > of the correct time zone set independently. If that's the case, then the > library to which C-Kermit is linked is set to GMT or is not set to any time > zone. > > (For your _primary_ library, /etc/localtime should correspond to the > appropriate file in /usr/{lib,share}/zoneinfo/. On my mixed system, > /usr/i486-linuxglibc/etc/localtime corresponds to the appropriate file > below /usr/i486-linuxglibc/share/zoneinfo/.) > > -- > Paul Kimoto The problem was I had my TZ environment variable set to EDT to correct a bug with BRU2000. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 7 08:41:56 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA09890 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA05287 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 May 1998 08:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Download Display Different Date: 7 May 1998 12:41:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6isa6h$bio$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6ipqs3$rm8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6iqp79$55e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8712 In article <6iqp79$55e@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > In article <6io9bi$mat@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, : > Bernie wrote: : > : At work we have C-Kermit 6.0.192 running on : > : UnixWare 2.03. At home I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 : > : running on Linux 2.0.31. Listed below is the the screen : > : which is displayed by CKermit on UnixWare. : > : On my Linux box, there are only about three lines of : > : information displayed during file downloads. : > : Why are they so different? : > : : > It sounds like you need a manual. File-transfer display : > options are explained on pages 183-185 of "Using C-Kermit", : > 2nd Edition: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html : : I have the manual (Second editon) : OK, good, the referenced pages should answer your question. Assuming your copy C-Kermit on Linux was build with curses support (you would have to go out of your way to make one that wasn't), then the most likely explanation is that your terminal type (TERM variable) is set to something that curses does not recognize. Another might be the familiar confusion among the many and varied curses libraries that ship with Linux and consequent failure to initialize curses. Read the Linux section of the ckermit.bwr file about this, and also see the comments accompanying the Linux entry in the makefile. To begin debugging, tell C-Kermit to "set transfer display fullscreen" and then pay careful attention to the messages. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 7 11:38:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17381 for ; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:38:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 7 May 1998 11:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!128.228.4.60!news.cuny.edu!e61bm From: Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fiber optic Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 11:33:10 EDT Lines: 4 Distribution: world Message-ID: <98127.113310E61BM@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU> NNTP-Posting-Host: cunyvm.cuny.edu Disclaimer: Author bears full responsibility for this post Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8713 coul someone please point me in the right direction to finding web based inform ation and tutorials on x400and x500 protocols. sincerely; nadia sierra From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 10 16:46:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA11618 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:46:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA15560 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 May 1998 16:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.voicenet.com!news3.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Subject: Gnu ls and ansi color Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 51 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:44:02 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:44:02 EST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8714 In mskermit Ansi-bbs color behave differently than vt** color. A dos Ansi image displays different colors when vt** emulation is used - different from ansi-bbs emulation in mskermit or in dos when ansi.sys is loaded ( this has nothing to do with the char set being used (darker/lighter) - the image colors are different even when vt** emulation uses the "transparent" (dos) char set. It is also independent of the terminfo or termcap $TERM and is present when strings are simply typed (cat file) to the screen. That is a correction to a term description would not correct the problem - I _think_ the problem is with the underlying properties of the terminal emulation. The ansi escape sequences gnu "ls" (list program in Gnu file utils) uses, work properly only under ansi-bbs emulation. I have Gnu "ls" working properly by using a sh script that uses the apc escape mechanism to temporarily switch to ansi-bbs emulation before "ls" writes to the screen. This works fine (the time involved in switching emulations occurs quickly and is not noticable). Previous output of "ls" under vt** emulation seems to affect the color of those color strings that come later, and the prompt and all following output after "ls" is done, retain the color of the last color output of the "ls" command. This doesn't happen when ansi-bbs emulation is used. Gnu "ls" was presumably written to be used with vt terminal/emulation or something similar and two of the default term types assumed by the "ls" configuration utility ("dircolors") _are_ vt100 and xterm? I know nothing of ansi or vt standards?/conventions? (I don't think it would be a formal standard, afterall a vt100 is not really a color terminal) and am wondering why this _apparent_ discrepancy exists. Thanks Christopher Mosley From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 10 18:07:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20545 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19535 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 May 1998 18:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!prodigy.com!prodigy.com!not-for-mail From: "Antoni Warczak" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HEY Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 16:52:49 -0000 Organization: Prodigy Services Corp Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6j57u8$6oru$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207.115.33.105.prodigy.net X-Post-Time: 10 May 1998 21:58:32 GMT X-Auth-User: 002763112/f9e3a6a6c8232332 X-Problems-To: abuse@prodigy.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8715 HEY DOES ANYBODY HAVE TRUE BASIC FOR PC WHICH EVER VERSION YOU HAVE EMAIL CYCO23@PRODIGY.NET From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 10 22:48:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA23901 for ; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 10 May 1998 22:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Gnu ls and ansi color Date: 11 May 1998 02:48:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6j5oug$hfn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8716 In article , Christopher Mosley wrote: : : : Gnu "ls" was presumably written to be used with vt terminal/emulation or : something similar and two of the default term types assumed by the "ls" : configuration utility ("dircolors") _are_ vt100 and xterm? I know nothing : of ansi or vt standards?/conventions? (I don't think it would be a formal : standard, afterall a vt100 is not really a color terminal) and am wondering : why this _apparent_ discrepancy exists. What terminal type are you specifying on your host? You are most likely seeing a combination of two completely separate factors: (1) the VT color palette which was defined by the VT340 terminal is different from the color palette used by "ANSI" terminals such as SCO ANSI and AT386. The VT color palette is used by the Linux console. (2) The escape sequences sent when SCOANSI is the current terminal type are different from those that are sent when the terminal type is either VT320 or LINUX. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 01:10:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA13352 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09755 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 01:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.103.147.20!news.voicenet.com!news2.voicenet.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) Subject: Re: Gnu ls and ansi color Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc References: <6j5oug$hfn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 59 Message-ID: <0lv51.114$h05.1551509@news2.voicenet.com> Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 04:42:36 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: omni2.voicenet.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:42:36 EST Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8717 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : Christopher Mosley wrote: : : : : : : Gnu "ls" was presumably written to be used with vt terminal/emulation or : : something similar and two of the default term types assumed by the "ls" : : configuration utility ("dircolors") _are_ vt100 and xterm? I know nothing : : of ansi or vt standards?/conventions? (I don't think it would be a formal : : standard, afterall a vt100 is not really a color terminal) and am wondering : : why this _apparent_ discrepancy exists. : What terminal type are you specifying on your host? : You are most likely seeing a combination of two completely separate : factors: : (1) the VT color palette which was defined by the VT340 terminal is : different from the color palette used by "ANSI" terminals such : as SCO ANSI and AT386. The VT color palette is used by the : Linux console. : (2) The escape sequences sent when SCOANSI is the current terminal : type are different from those that are sent when the terminal : type is either VT320 or LINUX. : Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 : The Kermit Project * Columbia University : 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 : http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org I realize now what the problem was, I had forgotten that I had added some lines to my vt220 TERM info: setab=... setaf=... (set ansi foreground & backround) op=... to allow colors to work in ncurses lynx. This version of lynx only implements color if it explicitly defined in the TERM such as an xterm-color TERM, unlike slang lynx. These changes did odd things to the colors using gnu "ls" in mskermit vt emulation but were ok when mskermit was set to ansi-bbs emulation. Yes, the difference in the way vt220 emulation and ansi-bbs display ansi images is just the difference in the ansi and vt color pallettes and had nothing to do with the "ls" problem. Now the colors in "ls" are correct and the same in both mskermit ansi-bbs or vt220 emulation. Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 02:34:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA00612 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA13598 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 02:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!uunet!in3.uu.net!whiskey.3do.com!not-for-mail From: ruvinsky@yahoo.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 06:32:32 GMT Organization: The 3do Company Lines: 31 Message-ID: <355698e7.8908565@news.3do.com> References: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: lrpool2.3do.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8718 On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:17:39 -0500, "Chris Mumford" wrote: >>Does anyone know where I can get the source code for the Kermit or >>SuperKermit Protocols in either C, Pascal or ADA 83 ? >> >>Any help will be greatly appretiated. >> >>Thanks >> Chris > >You can download some older code for both MS-DOS kermit and C-Kermit at >ftp.columbia.edu. I also think that they have some more source code for sale >at their web page for kermit. I am also interested in finding source code for Kermit, for reference. (I'd like to know the protocol states/procedure(s) to better understand it.) I'd like to write some simple (but safe) transfer code for a serial cable (effectively a NULL cable) between the PC and a different (proprietary) piece of hardware. I looked at the Columbia University's Kermit website for the MS-DOS kermit source code, but could not find it. Perhaps I did not search well enough. Would you mind posting the specific URL where you found it? Do you have any suggestions for a programmer who wishes to implement the Kermit protocol? I don't have tons of serial communications development experience, and would love a simple solution! :) Much appreciated, Eddie From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 03:19:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA07483 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA15798 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 03:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!btnet-peer!btnet!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!server1.netnews.ja.net!bham!not-for-mail From: Brian McCauley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit server directory lists unreadable files as directories Date: 07 May 1998 13:54:47 +0100 Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 29 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8719 The following session using 6.0.192 on Linux talking to itself illustrates the bug. [/home/bam] C-Kermit>rem host id Press the X or E key to cancel. uid=6(bam) gid=1(staff) groups=1(staff),203(guest),32769(oper) [/home/bam] C-Kermit>rem host ls -l Press the X or E key to cancel. total 348 drwxr-xr-x 2 bsmtp bsmtp 346112 May 7 13:46 in -rw-r----- 1 bsmtp bsmtp 0 Jan 25 1996 last-use drwxr-sr-x 2 bsmtp bsmtp 7168 May 7 13:06 out [/home/bam] C-Kermit>rem dir Press the X or E key to cancel. Listing files: "./*" 1998-05-07 13:46 (directory) in 1998-05-07 13:06 (directory) out 1996-01-25 15:43 (directory) last-use Summary: 3 directories, 0 files, 0 bytes -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 10:21:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08110 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27051 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit server directory lists unreadable files as directories Date: 11 May 1998 14:21:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6j71gg$t3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8720 In article , Brian McCauley wrote: : The following session using 6.0.192 on Linux talking to itself : illustrates the bug. : This bug is fixed in the forthcoming C-Kermit 6.1. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 10:26:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08724 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27294 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: 11 May 1998 14:26:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6j71pr$t8b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> <355698e7.8908565@news.3do.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8721 In article <355698e7.8908565@news.3do.com>, wrote: : : Do you have any suggestions for a programmer who wishes to implement : the Kermit protocol? I don't have tons of serial communications : development experience, and would love a simple solution! :) : If you are interested in the Kermit Protocol the proper place to start is not by looking at the source code but to purchase and read the specification "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz. Details on Kermit books are to be found at http://www.kermit-project.org/manuals.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 13:59:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27206 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 13:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!news-penn.gip.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@34.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Wanted: kermit source in C, Pascal or ADA83 Date: 11 May 1998 17:21:51 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6j7c3f$ra$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <354617BC.33F4@westcott.force9.co.uk> <355698e7.8908565@news.3do.com> <6j71pr$t8b$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8722 Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <355698e7.8908565@news.3do.com>, wrote: : : : : Do you have any suggestions for a programmer who wishes to implement : : the Kermit protocol? I don't have tons of serial communications : : development experience, and would love a simple solution! :) : : : If you are interested in the Kermit Protocol the proper place to start : is not by looking at the source code but to purchase and read the : specification "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" by Frank da Cruz. : Details on Kermit books are to be found at : http://www.kermit-project.org/manuals.html And while you're waiting for the book to arrive, the source code is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 14:46:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08839 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA10794 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 14:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!199.125.85.9!news.mv.net!newspump.wustl.edu!rice!not-for-mail From: salevin_@_sep.stanford.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Date Bug? Date: 11 May 1998 18:30:43 GMT Organization: Stanford Exploration Project Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6j7g4j$j6o$1@joe.rice.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: www.trip.caam.rice.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8723 > > Date Bug? > > From: Bernie > Reply to: Bernie > Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 04:01:46 +0000 > Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services > Newsgroups: > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > Followup to: newsgroup(s) > >There's a 4 hour discrepancy between the date in C-Kermit >6.0.192 and my linux box. Below is the date command issued >from C-Kermit and then the command line. > >How can I set these to be the same? > >From the SEP Linux help database http://sepwww.stanford.edu/internal/linux/database/ TITLE: how to get same clock with linux and win95 _________________________________________________________________ SUBMITTED BY: stew _________________________________________________________________ DATE: Sat Jul 19 19:24:28 PDT 1997 _________________________________________________________________ DESCRIPTION: In linux change GMT to PST in /etc/sysconfig/clock. Reboot TITLE: Date and Time Settings - Time Zone _________________________________________________________________ SUBMITTED BY: stew _________________________________________________________________ DATE: Mon Jan 27 05:28:57 PST 1997 _________________________________________________________________ DESCRIPTION: To change to a different time zone than the default PST that is installed on the system, change the symbolic link /etc/timezone to point to the appropriate file. (ls -l /etc/timezone will point you to the current directory and file.) Best of luck, - Stew From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 11 23:29:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA05858 for ; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA08134 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 11 May 1998 23:29:34 -0400 (EDT) From: heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Subject: Re: Kermit slow? Date: Tue, 12 May 1998 03:02:36 GMT Organization: Strategis Consulting Inc. Message-ID: <355f451a.11059914@149.174.211.108> References: <6ijf22$5kj$1@mustang.cs.fiu.edu> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntawwabp.compuserve.com Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8725 comp.os.msdos.misc:88618 apenal01@fiu.edu wrote: >I just installed Kermit 3.11 for DOS in my old 286 PC You might want to get the latest version of Kermit for DOS. >with a 14400 bps modem and UART 8250. This may be implicated. The 8250 has a single octet receive buffer. Much better is to use a 16550A that has a 16 octet receive buffer FIFO. With the modern UART, you would be able to take advantage of additional settings in Kermit to reduce delays and get better throughput. On many (non-notebook) systems, the UART is fairly easily replaced, either via chip replacement or addition of a fairly inexpensive ISA card. Good luck! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 13 05:33:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA14737 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07573 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 May 1998 05:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!194.168.4.5!news7-gui.server.cableol.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Fergus Strachan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connecting to NT Server through UNIX Date: Wed, 13 May 1998 10:20:51 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.120.128 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8726 Excuse my ignorance of UNIX and Kermit (just received K95 after my 6 week wait - 25c they put as postage to Britain! :-)), but I'm wondering if I can log on a remote user to the NT domain here at the office through the UNIX box (on the same TCP?IP network). She's got a leased line connection direct to the UNIX box and uses Kermit to connect to this unix software, but I'd like her to have access to the rest of the network too. How do I do that? Fergus Strachan. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 13 07:42:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA21092 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA05894 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 May 1998 07:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to NT Server through UNIX Date: 13 May 1998 11:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6jc0vp$jvj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8727 In article <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, Fergus Strachan wrote: : Excuse my ignorance of UNIX and Kermit (just received K95 after my 6 week : wait - 25c they put as postage to Britain! :-)), but I'm wondering if I can : log on a remote user to the NT domain here at the office through the UNIX : box (on the same TCP?IP network). : She's got a leased line connection direct to the UNIX box and uses Kermit to : connect to this unix software, but I'd like her to have access to the rest : of the network too. : : How do I do that? : : Fergus Strachan. : Its not clear what you want your user to be able to do. Do you want to have your user TELNET to the NT box and get a command prompt where she can run text mode applications? If so, you need to purchase and install and Telnet Daemon for NT from one of the many companies that sell them. If you want the ability to provide access to a BBS style interface for periodic file access you can configure K95's HOSTMODE. However, if what you want is NT Domain user authentication and file/print services via TCP/IP then this is outside the realm of this newsgroup. Depending on how your network is configured you might be able to do this without changing anything. (Have you tried?) Or you might need to install SAMBA on the Unix system? Or ...? A better place to ask would be in comp.os.ms-windows.nt.admin.networking or microsoft.public.windowsnt.protocol.tcpip. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 13 12:41:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA07571 for ; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25722 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 13 May 1998 12:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to NT Server through UNIX Date: 13 May 1998 16:41:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6jcifj$t29$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8728 In article <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, Fergus Strachan wrote: : Excuse my ignorance of UNIX and Kermit (just received K95 after my 6 week : wait - 25c they put as postage to Britain! :-)) : The technical part of your posting was addressed in a separate reply. I apologize for the dismal state of affairs with international shipping but we try to explain the alternatives very clearly up front. The choices are either Columbia University's standard contract international shipper which costs us $5.00 US per pound of weight and which can take as long as seven weeks, or Federal express, which costs between $32 and $62 US (for a single Kermit 95 shrink-wrapped package) depending on location, and delivers within a few days. This is explained in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/shipping.html which, I hope, is clearly referenced or summarized from every place that you would order Kermit 95 or other Kermit materials. If you found a way to order from our website that did not present the shipping tradeoffs to you clearly, please let us know. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 14 09:28:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11106 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28291 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 May 1998 09:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!194.168.4.5!news7-gui.server.cableol.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Fergus Strachan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to NT Server through UNIX Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:30:50 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6jerad$nv5$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> <6jcifj$t29$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.65.38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8729 Thanks Frank, but I wasn't complaining seriously. :-) Not really, anyway... I did find it strange that one can't download K95 since it's only on 2 disks. If you put the books in pdf format and folk downloaded that too, that might be an option? Fergus. Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6jcifj$t29$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, >Fergus Strachan wrote: >: Excuse my ignorance of UNIX and Kermit (just received K95 after my 6 week >: wait - 25c they put as postage to Britain! :-)) >: >The technical part of your posting was addressed in a separate reply. > >I apologize for the dismal state of affairs with international shipping but >we try to explain the alternatives very clearly up front. The choices are >either Columbia University's standard contract international shipper which From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 14 12:26:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16270 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA07338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 May 1998 12:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connecting to NT Server through UNIX Date: 14 May 1998 16:26:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6jf5ut$fat$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jbp62$l2c$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> <6jcifj$t29$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6jerad$nv5$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8730 In article <6jerad$nv5$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, Fergus Strachan wrote: : Thanks Frank, but I wasn't complaining seriously. :-) Not really, anyway... : : I did find it strange that one can't download K95 since it's only on 2 : disks. If you put the books in pdf format and folk downloaded that too, : that might be an option? : We are considering something like this for future releases, but it's easier said than done. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 14 13:12:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA24736 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA09625 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!island.idirect.com!news.uunet.ca!passport.ca!ftn.net!not-for-mail From: Tom Holden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bad file descriptor - K95/SuperLAT Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:11:45 -0400 Organization: Canadian Broadcasting Corp Lines: 29 Message-ID: <355B17C0.83D4E5B6@toronto.cbc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: 159.33.2.50 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8731 Getting intermittent connect failure with K95 1.16, SuperLAT 3 with error message: "Can't connect to bcpvx1: Bad file descriptor." Successfully connected a couple of times today for the first time but no longer and not with the initial attempts yesterday. I am not aware of anything that I might have done differently on each attempt. Computer re-boot does not help. Here's the command sequence: SET NETWORK TYPE SUPERLAT SET HOST BCPVX1 ...error message Regards, Tom -- Tom Holden Manager, Systems Engineering (Radio) Phone: +1 416-205-3081 Broadcast Engineering FAX: +1 416-205-8500 Canadian Broadcasting Corporation Internet: tholden@toronto.cbc.ca PO Box 500, Station A Room 3C115 Toronto, Ont, Canada M5W 1E6 From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 14 13:43:00 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00104 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11139 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 May 1998 13:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad file descriptor - K95/SuperLAT Followup-To: poster Date: 14 May 1998 17:42:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6jfaev$hvh$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <355B17C0.83D4E5B6@toronto.cbc.ca> Reply-To: kermit-support@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8732 In article <355B17C0.83D4E5B6@toronto.cbc.ca>, Tom Holden wrote: : Getting intermittent connect failure with K95 1.16, SuperLAT 3 with : error message: : : "Can't connect to bcpvx1: Bad file descriptor." : : Successfully connected a couple of times today for the first time but no : longer and not with the initial attempts yesterday. I am not aware of : anything that I might have done differently on each attempt. Computer : re-boot does not help. Here's the command sequence: : : SET NETWORK TYPE SUPERLAT : SET HOST BCPVX1 : ...error message HAve you used previous versions of K95 with your SuperLAT installation? What is the exact version number of the SuperLAT protocol that you are using? And are you using it on Windows 95 or NT? Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 14 17:11:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08908 for ; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22000 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 14 May 1998 17:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit binary for Perkin Elmer 3200? Date: 14 May 1998 21:11:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6jfmlh$p02$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8733 Does anybody out there still have a Perkin Elmer (or Concurrent) 3200 minicomputer with OS32MT72? We have a Kermit program for it, written in Fortran: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/d/perkin.* but no binary. We've had a request for an executable task image from somebody who has one of these systems but no Fortran compiler. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 15 03:26:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA28136 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA22391 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 May 1998 03:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:55:33 GMT Lines: 42 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8734 Surfer (surfer@nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk) wrote: : I am using a terminal emulator called Whizz60 (up-to-date version) on my : PC (NT4, SP3) to conntect to a clients machine, which is running SOLARIS : with the latest (at least it was a couple of months ago) version of : Kermit which I compilled on their machine. : Whizz60 includes Kermit file transfer. : With the SUN boxes (but not ICL for example) I get a problem transfering : files via kermit in that apparently the buffer doesn't get flushed : properly at the end of the transfer, so the file at the remote end is : incomplete. This means I can't send them programs via the fast modem : (28800) on my PC, and have to use the slow modem (2800!) on one of our : UNIX boxes. : Any clues would be most welcome! As I'm sure Frank will tell us, many third-party implementations of the Kermit protocol are broken/incomplete/obsolete. I think the best way for you to do Kermit transfers is to have a "real" kermit on both ends. Kermit 95, a Win32 application which runs on Windoze/95 and NT, provides a wide set of terminal emulations, so it'll probably server your needs adequately in that area, while providing a non-broken implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol. Fred : TIA : -- : Surfer! : http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk : http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash : Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 15 09:34:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05197 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00848 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 May 1998 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <355C524C.CA8CE27C@inxpress.net> Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:33:50 -0600 From: Bob Hartung Reply-To: bhartung@inxpress.net Organization: Wisco Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fine-tuning kermit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d10-19.inxpress.net Lines: 23 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.120.4.15!204.120.4.15!d10-19.inxpress.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8735 I have recently started using Kermit under DOS for telnet access to an RS6000 and it's working fine. My question has to do with refining the MSCUSTOM.INI file. Is there a way when a user exits from the telnet session to have kermit automatically close itself down with out having to type "EXIT" at the kermit prompt? TIA -- Bob Hartung c\o Wisco Industries, Inc. P. O. Box 10 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Phone: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-9644 email: bhartung@inxpress.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 15 10:54:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA19977 for ; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA04900 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 15 May 1998 10:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Fine-tuning kermit Date: 15 May 1998 14:54:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6jhkud$i8a$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <355C524C.CA8CE27C@inxpress.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8736 In article <355C524C.CA8CE27C@inxpress.net>, Bob Hartung wrote: : I have recently started using Kermit under DOS for telnet access to an : RS6000 and it's working fine. : : My question has to do with refining the MSCUSTOM.INI file. Is there a : way when a user exits from the telnet session to have kermit : automatically close itself down with out having to type "EXIT" at the : kermit prompt? : In Kermit 95 or C-Kermit you could use the -J ("be like Telnet") command line option, or the SET EXIT ON-DISCONNECT command, but MS-DOS Kermit does not have these features. If you put a CONNECT command on the MS-DOS Kermit command line, it will exit the first time you escape back, but that's not what you want either. The only thing I can think of would be something like this: define xx pause 0, if success connect, pause 0, if fail exit and then use "XX" instead of "CONNECT". The "PAUSE 0" command should fail if the connection disappeared. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 16 00:22:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA17671 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16637 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 May 1998 00:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!195.99.66.215!news-feed1.eu.concert.net!news.worldonline.nl!not-for-mail From: "apwillig" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem met communication Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 06:15:55 +0200 Organization: news.worldonline.nl Lines: 8 Message-ID: <6jj41c$bq$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: vnlo1-p120.worldonline.nl X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8737 Whith A Wisecom internal Modem I cannot use Kermit 95 in the window there appears set line first, or set host first please help with this problem apwillig@worldonline.nl From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 16 10:11:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18960 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA15070 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: problem met communication Date: 16 May 1998 14:11:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6jk6r1$ft$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jj41c$bq$1@news.worldonline.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8738 In article <6jj41c$bq$1@news.worldonline.nl>, apwillig wrote: : Whith A Wisecom internal Modem : I cannot use Kermit 95 : in the window there appears : set line first, or set host first : please help with this problem : apwillig@worldonline.nl : Make sure you have the latest version of Kermit 95, which is 1.1.16: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html Then use TAPI method of accessing the modem, rather than the COM-port method. For instructions, read Section 6.10 of the UPDATES.TXT file. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 16 10:45:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA26142 for ; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA16850 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 16 May 1998 10:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 6.1 Ready for Beta Test Date: 16 May 1998 14:45:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6jk8qk$1d6$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8739 C-Kermit 6.1 for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, Plan-9, OS-9, the Commodore Amiga, and othe platforms is ready for public Beta testing. The new web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html tells how to get it and lists the new features. The biggest ones are: . Kerberos(TM) and SRP(TM) security . Cross-platform directory-tree transfer . File-transfer command modifiers (switches) . Lots of script programming improvements And of course bug fixes. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 17 18:06:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02222 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA19719 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TAKE command file error problem Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:44:31 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6jni7f$kh6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.111.64 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8740 I have a macro defined as follows: define work - define recipients bernie@cji.com,- define mtype multitech,- define mline /dev/term/i1H,- define mspeed 19200,- define ddir /home/oper Then later in the script, the following is executed: set line \m(mline) if failure goto errhandler set speed \m(mspeed) if failure goto errhandler When the "set line \m(mline)" is executed, it generates the following error: ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters This same script works ok at home with C-Kernmit for linux. I only encounter the error when I run the script on our UnixWare 2.02 server at work, using the same version number, 6.0.192. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 17 18:46:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA10625 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA21694 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 May 1998 18:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Subject: CRC-CCITT in C-Kermit? Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 22:35:52 GMT Organization: Strategis Consulting Inc. Message-ID: <355f6176.22879615@149.174.211.108> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ais.net!WCG!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-ntawwabp.compuserve.com Lines: 48 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8741 Hi! I'm trying to come up with definition and example implementation of CRC-CCITT for a standards effort I'm involved with. I have run across several implementations that claim to implement CRC-CCITT. One of these provided both table-driven and non-table implementations (that resulted in the same values for the tests I ran). Then, there's another table-driven implementation that comes up with a different value, but the same value as is obtained from the MKS Toolkit's "sum -i" command. These two table-driven implementations each use a table of 256 16-bit elements that have different element values. Then, we have the code used by C-Kermit. This code appears to use two tables of 16 16-bit elements each, quite a few less than the other two table-driven implementations, but with more computation, though less computation than the non-table implementation I found. But, this code seems to come up with yet a third value for my test cases. Then, we have information that was quoted to me from an X.25 spec, that indicates that the CRC must be pre-loaded with 0xffff and other complexities, but which never really comes out and gives a step-by-step procedure that someone who hasn't seen "New Math" in many years could hope to follow. I'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a hand with this. The implementations I have from the same person with both table and non-table versions giving the same result are very attractive, as the receiving side can clock in the transmitted (LSB, MSB) CRC through the calculation and get 0x0000 if the frame arrived intact. This seems simpler than cranking octets through two behind, in case these last two are the CRC, then comparing the result of the calculation with those last two octets. But, I want to make sure that what I use will actually work. Here's the non-table code that I'd like to use if I can. unsigned short crcccitt(unsigned short crc, unsigned char c) { unsigned short newcrc; newcrc = (crc & 0xff) ^ char; newcrc = newcrc ^ (newcrc << 4); newcrc = (newcrc << 8) ^ (newcrc << 3) ^ (newcrc >> 4) ^ (crc >> 8); return newcrc; } Thanks much! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 17 19:03:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13560 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 19:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22454 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 May 1998 19:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TAKE command file error problem Date: 17 May 1998 22:57:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-ID: <6jnq14$m06$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jni7f$kh6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8742 In article <6jni7f$kh6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Bernie wrote: : I have a macro defined as follows: : : define work - : define recipients bernie@cji.com,- : define mtype multitech,- : define mline /dev/term/i1H,- : define mspeed 19200,- : define ddir /home/oper : : Then later in the script, the following is executed: : : set line \m(mline) : if failure goto errhandler : set speed \m(mspeed) : if failure goto errhandler : : When the "set line \m(mline)" is executed, it generates the following : error: : : ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters : : This same script works ok at home with C-Kernmit for linux. I only : encounter the error when I run the script on our UnixWare 2.02 server at : work, using the same version number, 6.0.192. : It checks out OK here. Are you sure you invoked the WORK macro after it was defined and before the SET LINE command was given? Try adding ECHO commands to debug: echo SET LINE: "\m(mline)" set line \m(mline) if failure goto errhandler echo SET SPEED: "\m(mspeed)" set speed \m(mspeed) if failure goto errhandler - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 17 19:13:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14954 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 19:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22899 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 May 1998 19:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CRC-CCITT in C-Kermit? Date: 17 May 1998 23:13:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6jnqul$mdi$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <355f6176.22879615@149.174.211.108> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8743 In article <355f6176.22879615@149.174.211.108>, Ron Heiby wrote: : Hi! I'm trying to come up with definition and example implementation of : CRC-CCITT for a standards effort I'm involved with. : : I have run across several implementations that claim to implement CRC-CCITT. : I think they are probably all compatible in the sense that they use the same generating polynomial, i.e. the one prescribed by the CCITT (ITU-T) for the 16-bit CRC. The fact that they arrive at different results most likely indicates different starting conditions, like: : ... the CRC must be pre-loaded with 0xffff ... Kermit's is initialized to 0. Hint: When implementing CRC calculation in C, be sure to use unsigned arithmetic, and to avoid implicit conversion of arithmetic operands to signed. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 17 23:17:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA18374 for ; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA05346 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 17 May 1998 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!uniserve!newsfeeds.sol.net!wn3feed!worldnet.att.net!204.127.130.5!mtf1!newsadm From: Bernie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TAKE command file error problem Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 01:55:41 +0000 Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6jo4eu$h2b@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> References: <6jni7f$kh6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net> <6jnq14$m06$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.68.112.244 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.31 i586) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8744 The problem was an xif statement which evidently was too long. I simply added an additional xif dividing the original in half. -Thanks Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <6jni7f$kh6@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, > Bernie wrote: > : I have a macro defined as follows: > : > : define work - > : define recipients bernie@cji.com,- > : define mtype multitech,- > : define mline /dev/term/i1H,- > : define mspeed 19200,- > : define ddir /home/oper > : > : Then later in the script, the following is executed: > : > : set line \m(mline) > : if failure goto errhandler > : set speed \m(mspeed) > : if failure goto errhandler > : > : When the "set line \m(mline)" is executed, it generates the following > : error: > : > : ?Error in TAKE command file: Line too long or contains NUL characters > : > : This same script works ok at home with C-Kernmit for linux. I only > : encounter the error when I run the script on our UnixWare 2.02 server at > : work, using the same version number, 6.0.192. > : > It checks out OK here. Are you sure you invoked the WORK macro after it > was defined and before the SET LINE command was given? > > Try adding ECHO commands to debug: > > echo SET LINE: "\m(mline)" > set line \m(mline) > if failure goto errhandler > echo SET SPEED: "\m(mspeed)" > set speed \m(mspeed) > if failure goto errhandler > > - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 18 09:10:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA23361 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.174.5.49!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!orion.math.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@orion.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit (K2) slow on screen update in command mode Date: 18 May 1998 12:45:10 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Lines: 21 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6jpagm$mho$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8745 I have recently installed the OS/2 version of Kermit 95. I have noticed a peculiarity that was not in the older (pre-kermit 95) version. Every once in a while, the characters are printed to the screen _very slowly_. This will sometimes happen when I am running a login script, but as soon as I "connect" everything speeds up. I am fairly sure this has nothing to do with the serial connection, because this will also happen every once in a while when I do a "show macros" command. Version of kermit: Kermit 95 1.1.15, 29 September 1997, for 32-bit OS/2 Numeric: 601193 A. Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 18 09:56:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00692 for ; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA25434 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 18 May 1998 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit (K2) slow on screen update in command mode Date: 18 May 1998 13:56:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Distribution: usa Message-ID: <6jpen8$8kp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jpagm$mho$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8746 In article <6jpagm$mho$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : I have recently installed the OS/2 version of Kermit 95. I have : noticed a peculiarity that was not in the older (pre-kermit 95) : version. Every once in a while, the characters are printed to the : screen _very slowly_. This will sometimes happen when I am running a : login script, but as soon as I "connect" everything speeds up. I am : fairly sure this has nothing to do with the serial connection, because : this will also happen every once in a while when I do a "show macros" : command. : : Version of kermit: : : Kermit 95 1.1.15, 29 September 1997, for 32-bit OS/2 : Numeric: 601193 The current version of K/2 is 1.1.16. Updates are available on the web at http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html. You do not describe your system (hardware, OS, timeslice settings, ...) and "_very slowly_" is ambiguous. Are the characters updating one or two at a time? Or is the screen update being interrupted part way and then completing? The big difference in command mode between K/2 and C-Kermit for OS/2 is that in K/2 the command mode has the same screen update and scrollback capabilities as the terminal (connect) mode. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 19 17:31:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23923 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00613 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!206.229.87.25!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!129.174.1.8!portal.gmu.edu!rmalghan From: rmalghan@site.gmu.edu (Ravi Malghan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Paging from Unix prompt? Date: 19 May 1998 21:29:06 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6jstj2$6mc@portal.gmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bacon.gmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8747 Hi, I have a script which takes three variables and I am able to send a page from the C-Kermit prompt. But I need to implement such that I can page from the Unix prompt (possibly from other applications as a system command). right now I have a macro defined as following. Could somebody please help me. ===== define DIAL_PAGE { set modem type usr ; set port /dev/ttya ; set speed 9600 ; set dial display on ; dial \%1 ; } define NPAGE { set dial timeout 240 ; DIAL_PAGE \%1@\%2#\%3##; clear dial-status ; hangup ; } ====== Thank you ******************** Ravi Malghan Tel: (O) (703) 207 7924 (H) (703) 385 0847 e-mail: rmalghan@bacon.gmu.edu WWW : http://bacon.gmu.edu/~rmalghan ********************* From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 19 17:43:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA26760 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01181 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 May 1998 17:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!204.128.247.5!tezcat!not-for-mail From: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu (jeff canar, m.a.) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3270 Emulation Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 21:44:37 GMT Organization: Dept. of Health Systems Management - Rush University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <3561fcce.10180855@204.128.247.5> Reply-To: jcanar@hsmsun.tob.rpslmc.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: freud.tob.rpslmc.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8748 Does Kermit95 support IBM 3270 terminal emulation? I didn't see it mentioned on the web site. If not, are there plans for its support and when would it be available. We need a terminal program here, but it must do the DEC VT's as well as 3270. thanks in advance, jeff From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 19 18:24:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA03982 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03194 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Paging from Unix prompt? Date: 19 May 1998 22:24:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 43 Message-ID: <6jt0ql$67h$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6jstj2$6mc@portal.gmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8749 In article <6jstj2$6mc@portal.gmu.edu>, Ravi Malghan wrote: : I have a script which takes three variables and I am able to send a page from : the C-Kermit prompt. But I need to implement such that I can page from the : Unix prompt (possibly from other applications as a system command). right : now I have a macro defined as following. Could somebody please help me. : ===== : define DIAL_PAGE { : set modem type usr ; : set port /dev/ttya ; : set speed 9600 ; : set dial display on ; : dial \%1 ; : : } : : define NPAGE { : set dial timeout 240 ; : DIAL_PAGE \%1@\%2#\%3##; : clear dial-status ; : hangup ; : } : First of all, since you are sending a numeric page, you should use PDIAL rather than DIAL, since DIAL will fail if the modem does not indicate carrier. So at the C-Kermit> prompt you type something like: npage 7654321 1234 5678 right? There are several ways to do this from the UNIX prompt. One way is to make a shell script containing: kermit -C "def \\%1 $1, def \\%2 $2, def \\%3 $3, take npage.ksc" where npage.ksc is the file that contains the NPAGE and DIAL_PAGE macro definitions. Or, if the NPAGE and DIAL_PAGE macros are defined in your C-Kermit startup files: kermit -C "npage $1 $2 $3" - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 19 18:28:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA04594 for ; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03427 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 19 May 1998 18:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3270 Emulation Date: 19 May 1998 22:28:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6jt12r$6b7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3561fcce.10180855@204.128.247.5> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8750 In article <3561fcce.10180855@204.128.247.5>, jeff canar, m.a. wrote: : Does Kermit95 support IBM 3270 terminal emulation? I didn't see it : mentioned on the web site. : It is mentioned in the section on features planned for future releases. So no, it does not presently support 3270 emulation. : If not, are there plans for its support and when would it be available. : We need a terminal program here, but it must do the DEC VT's as well as : 3270. : I can't give a specific date. What many sites do is use VT or other ASCII emulation to go through an intermediate system that does the 3270 protocol conversion. Such a system might be: . An IBM 7171 accessed via dialup . A Cisco terminal server accessed via dialup or Telnet . A UNIX system that has a tn3270 program, accessed via dialup or Telnet The appropriate key mappings can be easily accomplished. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 20 11:52:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA13211 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14513 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 20 May 1998 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!198.108.1.18!aanews.merit.net!news.si.com!126.28.0.214 From: tillman_brian.no.junk@si.com (Brian Tillman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3270 Emulation Date: 20 May 1998 11:47:32 -0500 Organization: Smiths Industries Lines: 24 Message-ID: <3562fb14.0@news.si.com> References: <3561fcce.10180855@204.128.247.5> <6jt12r$6b7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: challenger.si.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.8 (beta 2) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8751 In article <6jt12r$6b7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... > >I can't give a specific date. What many sites do is use VT or other >ASCII emulation to go through an intermediate system that does the 3270 >protocol conversion. Such a system might be: > > . An IBM 7171 accessed via dialup > . A Cisco terminal server accessed via dialup or Telnet > . A UNIX system that has a tn3270 program, accessed via dialup or Telnet > >The appropriate key mappings can be easily accomplished. Many sites also just download a freeware TN3270, like QWS3270 from Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. Write to Jim Rymerson at rymerson@post.queensu.ca or get ftp://ftp.ccs.queensu.ca/pub/msdos/tcpip/qws3270.zip -- Brian Tillman Internet: tillman_brian at si.com Smiths Industries, Inc. tillman at swdev.si.com 4141 Eastern Ave., MS239 Addresses modified to prevent Grand Rapids, MI 49518-8727 SPAM. Replace "at" with "@" This opinion doesn't represent that of my company From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 04:52:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01267 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04585 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!nntp.news.xara.net!xara.net!server6.netnews.ja.net!server1.netnews.ja.net!bham!not-for-mail From: Brian McCauley Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: REPOST Re: C-Kermit server directory lists unreadable files as directories Date: 21 May 1998 09:33:33 +0100 Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 19 Message-ID: References: <6j71gg$t3l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk CC: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.3/Emacs 19.34 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8752 Posted this before - seems to have vanished... Mailed too this time (sorry if this breaches protocol). jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > This bug is fixed in the forthcoming C-Kermit 6.1. Are you sure? This bug is still present in C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta.05, 7 May 1998. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37... # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | http://wcl-l.bham.ac.uk/~bam/ ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | Finger: bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 04:57:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA01604 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA04914 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 04:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!nevis-view.demon.co.uk!surfer From: Surfer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 09:56:01 +0100 Organization: Nevis View Message-ID: <7mdMuBAhw+Y1EwJi@nevis-view.demon.co.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 895741011 nnrp-02:29669 NO-IDENT nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 58 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8753 Some digging around at the Kermit site reveals that getting Kermit 95 in the UK is fairly expensive. It didn't help much with any UK place to get it. Does anyone have info not on the Kermit site? PS I suspect your answer is correct as kermit transfer from the ICL Unix box works fine - but very slow as it has a 2800 modem! In article , Fred Smith writes >Surfer (surfer@nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk) wrote: > >: I am using a terminal emulator called Whizz60 (up-to-date version) on my >: PC (NT4, SP3) to conntect to a clients machine, which is running SOLARIS >: with the latest (at least it was a couple of months ago) version of >: Kermit which I compilled on their machine. > >: Whizz60 includes Kermit file transfer. > >: With the SUN boxes (but not ICL for example) I get a problem transfering >: files via kermit in that apparently the buffer doesn't get flushed >: properly at the end of the transfer, so the file at the remote end is >: incomplete. This means I can't send them programs via the fast modem >: (28800) on my PC, and have to use the slow modem (2800!) on one of our >: UNIX boxes. > >: Any clues would be most welcome! > >As I'm sure Frank will tell us, many third-party implementations of >the Kermit protocol are broken/incomplete/obsolete. I think the best way >for you to do Kermit transfers is to have a "real" kermit on both ends. >Kermit 95, a Win32 application which runs on Windoze/95 and NT, provides >a wide set of terminal emulations, so it'll probably server your needs >adequately in that area, while providing a non-broken implementation of >the Kermit file transfer protocol. > >Fred > >: TIA > >: -- >: Surfer! >: http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk >: http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash >: Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. > >-- >---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- > But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: > While we were still sinners, > Christ died for us. >------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------ -- Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 10:07:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09894 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA21961 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 10:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem Date: 21 May 1998 14:06:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6k1ce3$5ik$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <7mdMuBAhw+Y1EwJi@nevis-view.demon.co.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8754 In article <7mdMuBAhw+Y1EwJi@nevis-view.demon.co.uk>, Surfer wrote: : Some digging around at the Kermit site reveals that getting Kermit 95 in : the UK is fairly expensive. It didn't help much with any UK place to : get it. Does anyone have info not on the Kermit site? : We would be very happy to have a UK distributor, but so far there is none. Any company that would like to distribute Kermit 95 in the UK, Ireland, or anywhere else is perfectly welcome to contact us to arrange it. : PS I suspect your answer is correct as kermit transfer from the ICL Unix : box works fine - but very slow as it has a 2800 modem! : The modem's modulation speed would tend to be a limiting factor :-) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 13:29:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23367 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA02498 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Andy Fox Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HP 48G Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:16:52 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 15 Message-ID: <35646184.922773B9@theriver.com> References: <354F7903.97049C3B@students.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.123.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895774453 LCXKGXCMT7B9FCE1AC usenet58.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Victor Polidoro Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8755 Hi Victor, Buy "Using C-Kermit" - it is _the_ best Kermit reference available for "how to" and "what is" kinds of questions. If you want to know all about the guts of the Kermit protocol itself, buy "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol." It's _very_ interesting reading. Both books are well worth their cost. The information in chapter 27 of the HP 48G Series User's Guide is sketchy. I have figured out how to get data from the 48 to the PC, but am having trouble transferring it the other way. I'm about to post a question about that very topic... -- 72/73 de Andy, KK7HV - QRP-L #1286 - Benson, AZ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 13:55:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA29818 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03936 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 13:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!128.230.129.106!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Andy Fox Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: One-Way Transfer Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 10:37:41 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 39 Message-ID: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.26.123.159 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895772527 LCXKGXCMT7B9FCE1AC usenet87.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8756 Hi, I purchased an HP-48GX calculator recently, and was delighted that the default file transfer protocol is Kermit. The calculator has a simple serial interface (TX, RX, GND and Shield), so it supports only XON/XOFF flow control. I have verified that the cable is good. I have been able to transfer data from the calculator to my PC, which is running K95 1.1.16. I cannot transfer data in the other direction, though. This is consistent whether the PC is acting as the server and I get the file, and when I send the file and recieve at the calculator. The PC resends, again and again until I cancel the transfer. The PC is set up with the following SET commands: modem type none port com1 speed 9600 parity none carrier off terminal bytesize 8 flow-control none file type text terminal character-set ascii The calculator's "IOPAR" (I/O Parameters) are 9600 "baud" 0 parity 0=none 0 receive pacing 0=none, 1=XON/XOFF 0 send pacing 0=none, 1=XON/XOFF 3 checksum, I think this is same as block-check 1 translate (adds to PC, strips from PC) I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks in advance! -- 72/73 de Andy, KK7HV - QRP-L #1286 - Benson, AZ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 14:11:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03512 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA04891 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way Transfer Date: 21 May 1998 18:11:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8757 In article <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com>, : The PC is set up with the following SET commands: : : modem type none : port com1 : speed 9600 : parity none : carrier off : terminal bytesize 8 : flow-control none : file type text : terminal character-set ascii : : The calculator's "IOPAR" (I/O Parameters) are : : 9600 "baud" : 0 parity 0=none : 0 receive pacing 0=none, 1=XON/XOFF : 0 send pacing 0=none, 1=XON/XOFF : 3 checksum, I think this is same as block-check : 1 translate (adds to PC, strips from PC) : : I would really appreciate any help with this. Thanks in advance! The HP48 can not handle 9600 baud transfers without flow control Turn on XON/XOFF flow control on the calculator and SET FLOW CONTROL XON/XOFF on K95. Also, on K95 use the ROBUST command to configure the file transfer settings. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 14:50:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA12605 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA06804 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 14:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Andy Fox Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way Transfer Date: Thu, 21 May 1998 11:39:47 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 24 Message-ID: <356474F3.A7EF89F9@theriver.com> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.102.192.73 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895775971 LCXKGXCMTC049CE66C usenet52.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Jeffrey Altman Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8758 Hi Jeff et alia, Thank you for the quick response! I set the flow control on both sides to XON/XOFF, and also used the ROBUST command on the K95 side. Still no joy. Here is a little more detail of a typical problem. I start K95 on the PC, then put it in SERVER mode. I then select Transfer, then Choose on the calculator, which is supposed to ask the PC for a list of files on the PC. When I do this, the PC reports "FAILURE: REMOTE HOST disabled." I have read about the remote host command (C-Kermit, p 146) and confused about what is going on. Typically, the client side would instruct the server to perform a command and report the result back to the client, if I remember this correctly. Why would I see this error reported on the server side? I also experimented with the handshaking character to no avail. "None" seems to be the best choice, since nothing at all happens (well, it does time out) if I set the handshaking character to XON or XOFF. Thanks again. -- 72/73 de Andy, KK7HV - QRP-L #1286 - Benson, AZ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 21 16:48:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08884 for ; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12817 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 21 May 1998 16:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way Transfer Date: 21 May 1998 20:48:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-ID: <6k23vh$i36$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <356474F3.A7EF89F9@theriver.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8759 In article <356474F3.A7EF89F9@theriver.com>, Andy Fox wrote: : Thank you for the quick response! : : I set the flow control on both sides to XON/XOFF, and also used the : ROBUST command on the K95 side. Still no joy. : : Here is a little more detail of a typical problem. I start K95 on the : PC, then put it in SERVER mode. I then select Transfer, then Choose on : the calculator, which is supposed to ask the PC for a list of files on : the PC. When I do this, the PC reports "FAILURE: REMOTE HOST : disabled." : So they are communicating. Note the REMOTE HOST is a potentially dangerous command, so it is disabled in the server by default. If you trust your calculator, tell K95 to: ENABLE HOST (See pages 228-230 of "Using C-Kermit" 2nd Ed., and pages 237-242.) It would have made a bit more sense for the calculator to send a REMOTE DIRECTORY command, rather than REMOTE HOST, but unfortunately HP did not consult with us in putting together their Kermit implementation for the HP48. : I also experimented with the handshaking character to no avail. "None" : seems to be the best choice, since nothing at all happens (well, it does : time out) if I set the handshaking character to XON or XOFF. : Conflicting rumors abound concerning the pecularities of the HP48. All I can conclude from them is that there are many models that behave differently. One persistent rumor is that the calculator's serial port can not handle input and output at the same time; thus it is "half duplex". And furthermore, that it takes a perceptible amount of time to switch directions; during this time, it loses incoming bytes. The way to compensate for this in Kermit 95 is with the command: set send pause 100 (or other number) -- how many milliseconds to pause prior to sending a packet to give the HP48's receiver time to wake up. I would like to hear from other HP48 users about their Kermit settings and/or experiences with different models or vintages of HP48s, so we can produce an HP48/Kermit FAQ. Feel free to cross-post here and on the relevant HP48 newsgroup (I don't know what it is offhand). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 09:04:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28174 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA20103 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news.he.net!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Phelan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem Updating for K95 1.10 to 1.16 Date: 22 May 1998 13:03:06 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 11 Message-ID: <01bd8582$29bdf700$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-30-140-217.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8760 I'm having trouble selecting terminal emulation's after updating to 1.16 using the i1110-6 graphical patch file. For example, when I edit Terminal Type on the K95 connection entry screen and select SCOANSI and make a connection my screen comes up in IBM3151 mode. My list box of Terminal Types doesn't even show 3151's. If I do an ALT-X and set terminal type to SCOANSI it works fine. The only strange thing about applying the patch was that K95 is not installed on my boot drive. If anyone has any suggestions I would like to hear them. Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 09:22:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01194 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21064 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: One-Way Transfer Date: 22 May 1998 09:12:11 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 25 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8761 jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > The HP48 can not handle 9600 baud transfers without flow control > Turn on XON/XOFF flow control on the calculator and SET FLOW CONTROL > XON/XOFF on K95. The HP48 Kermit can handle 9600 baud transfers in both directions without flow control. I do it all the time. In fact, the calculator will automatically _disable_ flow control for Kermit transfers even when it is enabled for other serial I/O (I think). There is a 255 character input buffer. The bare bones Kermit on the HP48 does not implement long packets so the buffer is plenty big to handle Kermit packets without flow control. Last month there was an interesting discussion about the limitations of HP48 Kermit on comp.sys.hp48. Search dejanews for Dan Kirkland's posts with the subject "Re: a better kermit". Due to a basic flaw in the HP ROM kermit, throughput in receiving is slower than it should be. Perhaps someone will reimplement the binary receive routing to overcome this problem. As for the original poster's problem, I have no idea. Perhaps he should try mskermit. I works for me. Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 09:26:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01914 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21303 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem Updating for K95 1.10 to 1.16 Date: 22 May 1998 13:26:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6k3uet$83i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8582$29bdf700$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8762 In article <01bd8582$29bdf700$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN>, Jim Phelan wrote: : I'm having trouble selecting terminal emulation's after updating to 1.16 : using the i1110-6 graphical patch file. For example, when I edit Terminal : Type on the K95 connection entry screen and select SCOANSI and make a : connection my screen comes up in IBM3151 mode. My list box of Terminal : Types doesn't even show 3151's. If I do an ALT-X and set terminal type to : SCOANSI it works fine. : : The only strange thing about applying the patch was that K95 is not : installed on my boot drive. If anyone has any suggestions I would like to : hear them. Thanks. : Could this be the explanation? (From BUGS.TXT): 253. HINT: Using SCOANSI emulation with SCO hosts There is a type of terminal emulation commonly called ANSI, which is used by BBS's. It is very simple -- essentially nothing more than what you get with ANSI.SYS on a PC. Then there is the highly evolved and complex version of it used on the SCO (and Unixware) console. Kermit 95 supports both; the first emulation is called ANSI; the second is called SCOANSI. However, the *name* SCOANSI is unknown on SCO systems. They call it just ANSI. So if a Telnet client such as Kermit 95 comes in announcing its terminal type as SCOANSI, the SCO host doesn't recognize it. In Kermit 95 1.1.8 and later, the Telnet terminal-type negotiation feature will cause Kermit 95 to change to another terminal type, most likely "plain old" ANSI. To work around this problem in Kermit 95: set terminal type scoansi set telnet terminal-type ansi set terminal character-set transparent Or on the SCO system: Copy the /usr/lib/terminfo/terminfo.src entry for ansi to an scoansi.src file, changing "ansi" to "scoansi" in that file, and then run tic on it. In /etc/termcap, add "scoansi" as an alternate name in the "ansi" entry. SCO will add "scoansi" as an official terminal type (or, more precisely, a preinstalled synonym for what it now calls "ansi") in its next OpenServer release. (However, as of OSR5.0.4, they have not yet done so). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 09:43:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06421 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22240 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:43:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Cathay Pacific" Subject: Script Problem on AIX 4.1.5 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-ID: <01bd8581$c02ea640$0c17110a@m000658.cathaypacific.com> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 NNTP-Posting-Host: 202.135.150.38 Date: 22 May 1998 13:02:52 GMT X-Trace: 22 May 1998 13:02:52 GMT, 202.135.150.38 Organization: IBM.NET Lines: 47 X-Notice: Items posted that violate the IBM.NET Acceptable Use Policy X-Notice: or otherwise violate the IBM.NET Terms of Service X-Notice: should be forwarded in their entirety to postmaster@ibm.net Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsfeed.atl.bellsouth.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!165.87.194.242!newsm2.ibm.net!ibm.net!news1.ibm.net!202.135.150.38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8763 We were using AIX 3.2.5 plus kermit 5A with the script attached. Recently, we have upgraded our AIX to 4.1.5 and use kermit 6.0.192. We then try using manual input with the same steps inside the script and successed smoothly. However, when we run it by 'kermit -y .kermrc', the script hangs up after ATDT command. By listening to the tone of the modem, we are sure that we have successfully connected to the remote host already. I do not have any clue now, please help. Many many thanks.. /Toby Script .kermrc >> ------------------------------------------------------------- set line /dev/tty3 set input timeout-action quit set handshake none set parity none set speed 9600 set duplex full set file type binary set flow rts/cts output AT\13 input 10 OK output ATZ\13 input 10 OK output ATDTnnnnnnn\13 input 120 CONNECT clear output \13 input 10 First Name: output service\13 input 10 Last Name: output control\13 input 5 (Y/N)? output Y input 10 Password: output mypassword\13 input 10 Your Choice? output Download input 10 Your choice? output Kermit input 10 File name? output myfilename\13 receive /mnt/ascdev/ascs/myfilename input 10 Your Choice? output G quit From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 09:49:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07438 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22497 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 09:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Phelan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem Updating for K95 1.10 to 1.16 Date: 22 May 1998 13:47:57 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 7 Message-ID: <01bd8588$6df28a20$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> References: <01bd8582$29bdf700$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> <6k3uet$83i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-30-140-217.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8764 Thanks but thats not the case. The emulation displayed on the status line is wrong. The example I used was SCOANSI because that is what I use the most. I tried several other terminal types, trying to recognize a pattern. They all come up as something different. I was hoping the fact that IBM3151 doesn't appear in the list box would be a clue as to what may have gone wrong. Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 10:00:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA09013 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem Updating for K95 1.10 to 1.16 Date: 22 May 1998 13:59:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-ID: <6k40cu$8tv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8582$29bdf700$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> <6k3uet$83i$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bd8588$6df28a20$6a01017d@ntserver.cssdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8765 In article <01bd8588$6df28a20$6a01017d@ntserver.cssdomain>, Jim Phelan wrote: : Thanks but thats not the case. The emulation displayed on the status line : is wrong. The example I used was SCOANSI because that is what I use the : most. I tried several other terminal types, trying to recognize a pattern. : They all come up as something different. I was hoping the fact that : IBM3151 doesn't appear in the list box would be a clue as to what may have : gone wrong. Thanks. : What appears in the Status Line is not wrong. There is a rudimentary IBM 3151 emulation built into 1.1.16 that is hidden in the command lists because it is not complete. However, it is there. The problem is that SCO's Telnet Daemon supports Telnet Terminal Type negotiation but does not recognize the names that K95 is providing. You can verify this by: . Starting K95 in command mode . SET TERMINAL DEBUG ON . SET TERMINAL TYPE SCOANSI . TELNET now you can watch in the terminal window as the host continues to ask for another terminal type name trying to find one it recognizes. It happens to recognize "ibm3151" and therefore stops there. To disable the terminal type negotiation specify SET TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE ANSI or in the dialer, specify "ANSI" as the Terminal Type name on the TCP/IP page. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 10:06:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10770 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA23328 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script Problem on AIX 4.1.5 Date: 22 May 1998 14:06:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 58 Message-ID: <6k40pm$959$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8581$c02ea640$0c17110a@m000658.cathaypacific.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8766 In article <01bd8581$c02ea640$0c17110a@m000658.cathaypacific.com>, Cathay Pacific wrote: : We were using AIX 3.2.5 plus kermit 5A with the script attached. Recently, : we have upgraded our AIX to 4.1.5 and use kermit 6.0.192. We then try : using manual input with the same steps inside the script and successed : smoothly. However, when we run it by 'kermit -y .kermrc', the script : hangs up after ATDT command. By listening to the tone of the modem, we : are sure that we have successfully connected to the remote host already. : : I do not have any clue now, please help. Not that the "clear" command is necessary at all, but try changing "clear" to "clear input-buffer". The default clear action is "clear device-and-input" which could be throwing out more than you want. : Script .kermrc >> : ------------------------------------------------------------- : set line /dev/tty3 : set input timeout-action quit : set handshake none : set parity none : set speed 9600 : set duplex full : set file type binary : set flow rts/cts : output AT\13 : input 10 OK : output ATZ\13 : input 10 OK : output ATDTnnnnnnn\13 : input 120 CONNECT : clear : output \13 : input 10 First Name: : output service\13 : input 10 Last Name: : output control\13 : input 5 (Y/N)? : output Y : input 10 Password: : output mypassword\13 : input 10 Your Choice? : output Download : input 10 Your choice? : output Kermit : input 10 File name? : output myfilename\13 : receive /mnt/ascdev/ascs/myfilename : input 10 Your Choice? : output G : quit Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 10:40:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA18531 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA25128 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 10:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 22 May 1998 14:40:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 108 Message-ID: <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8767 comp.sys.hp48:81320 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: : : > The HP48 can not handle 9600 baud transfers without flow control : > Turn on XON/XOFF flow control on the calculator and SET FLOW CONTROL : > XON/XOFF on K95. : : The HP48 Kermit can handle 9600 baud transfers in both directions : without flow control. I do it all the time. In fact, the calculator : will automatically _disable_ flow control for Kermit transfers even : when it is enabled for other serial I/O (I think). There is a 255 : character input buffer. The bare bones Kermit on the HP48 does not : implement long packets so the buffer is plenty big to handle Kermit : packets without flow control. : : Last month there was an interesting discussion about the limitations : of HP48 Kermit on comp.sys.hp48. Search dejanews for Dan Kirkland's : posts with the subject "Re: a better kermit". Due to a basic flaw in : the HP ROM kermit, throughput in receiving is slower than it should : be. Perhaps someone will reimplement the binary receive routing to : overcome this problem. : : As for the original poster's problem, I have no idea. Perhaps he : should try mskermit. I works for me. : Thanks for the comp.sys.hp48 reference. I'm copying this response to that newsgroup. As noted in an earlier posting in this thread, I would like to straighten out the massive confusion about Kermit file transfer with the HP-48. We (at the Kermit Project) are not HP-48 experts, but we do have an early model HP-48 for testing. When we get complaints or questions about file transfer with the HP-48, we check our answers on it. But we usually find that what works for us fails to work for others, or vice versa. No doubt because there are many and varied HP-48 models, ROM versions, etc etc. I would like to set up an HP-48 resource at the Kermit web site where all HP-48 users could look to find answers to frequently asked questions, hints and tips, etc. To that end, first let me suggest that all postings to comp.sys.hp48 be copied to comp.protocols.kermit.misc so that people who might know more about the Kermit program on the other end can help out. Second, a few points of clarification on recent comp.sys.hp48 postings: 1. Kermit is not a slow protocol. The HP-48 implementation of the Kermit protocol is slow. It was written by HP (or whoever HP hired to do it) without our knowledge or advice. For an analysis of Kermit protocol performance, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#perf 2. Whatever Kermit software might have been provided to HP-48 users by HP is not necessarily appropriate. Current versions of Kermit software are found at the Kermit Project website: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ Let's see if we can set up a simple set of guidelines for how to set up Kermit software (on DOS, Windows, UNIX, etc) for communicating with the HP-48, or for each model thereof, when the models make a difference. 1. The top serial speed is 9600, right? 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that it does not (even if it is set to do so). 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. 4. Does the link allow 8-bit data? If not, the client must be given the appropriate SET PARITY command. The HP-48 does not support long packets; thus the maximum packet length is 94, but this should be negotiated automatically. The HP communication port is half duplex, meaning that data can go in both directions, but only in one direction at a time. Therefore sliding windows can not be used (this too should be negotiated automatically). More to the point, I have also heard that (at least some models of) the HP-48 become "deaf" to incoming bytes for some number of milliseconds while switching their serial port from "send" to "receive", so if the client program is too fast, file transfers can fail. The solution to this is to tell the client program to pause for a sufficient number of milliseconds prior to sending each packet: set send pause 100 ; or whatever number works Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's not much that the Kermit client can do about that. Any other hints from HP-48 users will be appreciated; I'll be glad to collect them into an FAQ. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 12:24:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA09570 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA00306 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!newspeer.monmouth.com!nntp.flash.net!excalibur.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Jim Phelan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with K95dial Date: 22 May 1998 16:19:45 GMT Organization: Flashnet Communications, http://www.flash.net Lines: 9 Message-ID: <01bd859d$991fce00$6a01017d@NTSERVER.CSSDOMAIN> NNTP-Posting-Host: 209-30-140-217.flash.net X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8768 In the problem I reported earlier, I was incorrect in reporting it as a K95 problem. The problem is with K95dial. When I add a new connection entry, no matter which terminal type I select, when I connect K95 come up wrong. I mainly use SCOANSI and when I connect with it the status bar shows IBM3151. When I look for IBM3151 is not even a valid type. I reloaded Kermit95 version 1.10 and re-applied the patch and the same thing still happens. If anyone can give me some insight into this I would appreciate it. Thanks! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 12:45:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15729 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01614 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 12:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with K95dial Date: 22 May 1998 16:45:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6k4a38$dsq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd859d$991fce00$6a01017d@ntserver.cssdomain> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8769 In article <01bd859d$991fce00$6a01017d@ntserver.cssdomain>, Jim Phelan wrote: : In the problem I reported earlier, I was incorrect in reporting it as a K95 : problem. The problem is with K95dial. When I add a new connection entry, : no matter which terminal type I select, when I connect K95 come up wrong. : I mainly use SCOANSI and when I connect with it the status bar shows : IBM3151. When I look for IBM3151 is not even a valid type. I reloaded : Kermit95 version 1.10 and re-applied the patch and the same thing still : happens. If anyone can give me some insight into this I would appreciate : it. Thanks! : As stated is a previous reply. The problem is not with K95 or with the Dialer. You need to specify your TCP/IP TELNET TERMINAL-TYPE to be "ANSI". On the TCP/IP page of the Connection Entry Notebook there is a field entitled "Telnet Terminal Type". Put the word "ANSI" in that box. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 13:22:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA22331 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03381 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 13:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 22 May 1998 13:11:56 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 61 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8770 comp.sys.hp48:81325 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But we usually find that what works for us fails to work for others, or vice > versa. No doubt because there are many and varied HP-48 models, ROM > versions, etc etc. I should have noted that I am using an HP48GX with ROM R, the latest. > 1. The top serial speed is 9600, right? As far as the built-in kermit is concerned this it true. But there are user programs that claim to support 19.2k. I have not tried them. > 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have > conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be > exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that > it does not (even if it is set to do so). Why is flow control necessary or even desirable given the maximum packet size is 94 and the receive buffer is 255? > 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the > client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending > to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to > SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. Shouldn't control char unprefixing be a negotiated feature? If it is not, I can see where this might be the cause of many people's problems. Surely it is not the default? I think the physical link is transparent to control characters. But perhaps the hp48 kermit software assumes prefixing. > 4. Does the link allow 8-bit data? If not, the client must be given > the appropriate SET PARITY command. Yes, the link allows 8-bit data. > The HP-48 does not support long packets; thus the maximum packet length > is 94, but this should be negotiated automatically. It is negotiated. As far as I can tell, the only "advanced" feature supported by the hp48 is a choice of block checking options 1, 2, or 3. > The HP communication port is half duplex, meaning that data can go in both > directions, but only in one direction at a time. Therefore sliding windows > can not be used (this too should be negotiated automatically). The serial port is full duplex. The infrared port is only half-duplex because of optical feedback. The hp48 kermit certainly has not implemented sliding windows. There would be very little advantage to doing so for most users who only use a short cable to connect to a PC. > Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation > "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material > from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily > deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 > dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's not > much that the Kermit client can do about that. This is the biggest problem with hp48 kermit. Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 14:00:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA01133 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA05238 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 14:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 22 May 1998 18:00:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 152 Message-ID: <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8771 comp.sys.hp48:81330 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > But we usually find that what works for us fails to work for others, or : > vice versa. No doubt because there are many and varied HP-48 models, ROM : > versions, etc etc. : : I should have noted that I am using an HP48GX with ROM R, the latest. : : > 1. The top serial speed is 9600, right? : : As far as the built-in kermit is concerned this it true. But there are : user programs that claim to support 19.2k. I have not tried them. : : > 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have : > conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be : > exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that : > it does not (even if it is set to do so). : : Why is flow control necessary or even desirable given the maximum : packet size is 94 and the receive buffer is 255? : Theoretically, it would not be necessary. But I don't know how their Kermit implementation works internally. Does it parse incoming packets as it reads them, or does it read them first and then parse them? Can anything else happen during a read? Garbage collection, etc? : > 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the : > client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending : > to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to : > SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. : : Shouldn't control char unprefixing be a negotiated feature? : It would seem so, but no. The reason is that the two parties have no idea what lies between them, and so there is no way they can negotiate a safe set of control characters. : If it is not, I can see where this might be the cause of many people's : problems. Surely it is not the default? : Most Kermit programs prefix all control characters by default when sending a file. Kermit 95 is the exception, since most Windows 95 users demand "high performance". Kermit 95's default is to unprefix a fairly safe subset of control characters. : I think the physical link is transparent to control characters. But perhaps : the hp48 kermit software assumes prefixing. : The cardinal rule of any communications protocol is "be conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you receive". The HP48 has it backwards. There is no prohibition in the protocol definition against sending bare control characters, thus any Kermit receiver should be prepared to get them, in which case they are treated like any other data character. Refusing to accept them is a mistake. Almost every Kermit implementation, no matter how old, accepts bare control characters (assuming they get through the physical link unscathed). The programmer has to go out of her/his way to prevent this from working. : > 4. Does the link allow 8-bit data? If not, the client must be given : > the appropriate SET PARITY command. : : Yes, the link allows 8-bit data. : Good... : > The HP-48 does not support long packets; thus the maximum packet length : > is 94, but this should be negotiated automatically. : : It is negotiated. As far as I can tell, the only "advanced" feature : supported by the hp48 is a choice of block checking options 1, 2, or 3. : : > The HP communication port is half duplex, meaning that data can go in both : > directions, but only in one direction at a time. Therefore sliding : > windows can not be used (this too should be negotiated automatically). : : The serial port is full duplex. The infrared port is only half-duplex : because of optical feedback. : Does this apply to all models? I got my information about dead periods in the serial port from an HP engineer, circa 1990. : The hp48 kermit certainly has not implemented sliding windows. There would : be very little advantage to doing so for most users who only use a short : cable to connect to a PC. : : > Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation : > "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material : > from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily : > deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 : > dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's : > not much that the Kermit client can do about that. : : This is the biggest problem with hp48 kermit. : Can you help clear this up? What is the deal? Text-mode transfers into the HP-48 are the ones that get progressively slower? But binary-mode transfers into the HP-48 are OK? Is it true that incoming text-mode packets are parsed as HP-48 programs? So this means that only HP-48 programs may be sent in text mode, and any other text files sent to the HP-48 are likely to be rejected. One user reported that any text file containing a "-" character would be rejected for "Invalid syntax". This means that non-HP-48-program files must be sent to the HP-48 in binary mode, right? So let's start trying to put together the settings to use with MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and Kermit 95 for transferring files with the HP-48: set modem type direct ; (Skip this in MS-DOS Kermit) set carrier-watch off ; (Does the HP-48 assert DCD? If so, use ON.) set port set speed 9600 ; (The best the HP-48 can do) set flow none ; (or Xon/Xoff) set parity none ; (The HP can accept 8-bit data) set control prefix all ; (Don't send bare control chars) set receive timeout 99 ; (see Note 1 below...) set send pause 100 ; (see Note 2 below...) Items such as packet length and window size are negotiated automatically; there is no need to set them. 1. If it takes the HP-48 a long time acknowledge data packets (e.g. in text mode), tell the file sender to wait a long time for the acknowledgement. (Newer versions of C-Kermit and K95 will adjust their timeouts dynamically according to the actual behavior, in which case the SET RECEIVE TIMEOUT command is not needed.) 2. The SET SEND PAUSE command is needed if the HP-48's serial port is half duplex. The number (100 milliseconds) might need adjustment. I'm sure this is highly dependent on the exact model and ROM version. Finally: set file type text ; For HP-48 programs or: set file type binary ; For all other forms of data Oh, by the way, another peculiarity I noticed... If the HP-48 is set up to be client of a Kermit server, its method for getting directory listings is rather odd. Instead of sending a REMOTE DIRECTORY protocol message, it sends REMOTE HOST DIR/W. Of course, this won't work unless the server: a. Is a DOS or Windows or OS/2 system, and: b. Has HOST ENABLE'd in its Kermit server. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 16:44:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28180 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13722 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!Supernews60!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: Andy Fox Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:40:32 -0700 Organization: All USENET -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 96 Message-ID: <3565E2C0.80AC34A5@theriver.com> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.216.137.223 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: 895869624 LCXKGXCMT89DFCDD8C usenet14.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) To: Frank da Cruz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8772 comp.sys.hp48:81333 Hi Frank, I wanted to thank you and Jeff both for helping me get files transferred in both directions between my HP-48GX and K95 (V1.1.16). The important points seem to be: Run the HP-48 in server mode. HP set up for binary transfers (at least for variables) K95 "SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL" Here is a little more information: > : > Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation > : > "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material > : > from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily > : > deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 > : > dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's > : > not much that the Kermit client can do about that. > : > : This is the biggest problem with hp48 kermit. > : > Can you help clear this up? What is the deal? Text-mode transfers into > the HP-48 are the ones that get progressively slower? But binary-mode > transfers into the HP-48 are OK? > It appears to me that it slows down in binary mode also. > So let's start trying to put together the settings to use with MS-DOS Kermit, > C-Kermit, and Kermit 95 for transferring files with the HP-48: > > set modem type direct ; (Skip this in MS-DOS Kermit) > set carrier-watch off ; (Does the HP-48 assert DCD? If so, use ON.) There are only four wires, TX, RX, GND and Shield. No hardware flow control. > set port > set speed 9600 ; (The best the HP-48 can do) > set flow none ; (or Xon/Xoff) > set parity none ; (The HP can accept 8-bit data) > set control prefix all ; (Don't send bare control chars) > set receive timeout 99 ; (see Note 1 below...) > set send pause 100 ; (see Note 2 below...) > > Items such as packet length and window size are negotiated automatically; > there is no need to set them. > > 1. If it takes the HP-48 a long time acknowledge data packets (e.g. > in text mode), tell the file sender to wait a long time for the > acknowledgement. (Newer versions of C-Kermit and K95 will adjust > their timeouts dynamically according to the actual behavior, in > which case the SET RECEIVE TIMEOUT command is not needed.) > > 2. The SET SEND PAUSE command is needed if the HP-48's serial port is > half duplex. The number (100 milliseconds) might need adjustment. > I'm sure this is highly dependent on the exact model and ROM version. > > Finally: > > set file type text ; For HP-48 programs > > or: > > set file type binary ; For all other forms of data > I'll have to try transferring programs later, maybe this weekend... > Oh, by the way, another peculiarity I noticed... If the HP-48 is set up to > be client of a Kermit server, its method for getting directory listings is > rather odd. Instead of sending a REMOTE DIRECTORY protocol message, it > sends REMOTE HOST DIR/W. Of course, this won't work unless the server: > > a. Is a DOS or Windows or OS/2 system, and: > > b. Has HOST ENABLE'd in its Kermit server. > > - Frank I was able to get a directory listing displayed on my HP, but couldn't receive the file from the server. Jeff recommended, and I concur, that the HP should be the server. Thanks again. I have been impressed with your tech support for several years (since I became aware of it, actually). I have found your manuals to be the best written, along with the "Nutshell" series of books by O'Reilly. -- 72/73 de Andy, KK7HV - QRP-L #1286 - Benson, AZ From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 22 16:51:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29012 for ; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 22 May 1998 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!4.1.16.34!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 22 May 1998 16:47:51 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 100 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8773 comp.sys.hp48:81334 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > Most Kermit programs prefix all control characters by default when sending a > file. Kermit 95 is the exception, since most Windows 95 users demand "high > performance". Kermit 95's default is to unprefix a fairly safe subset of > control characters. If I had to bet on what trips up most K95-HP48 connections I would wager it is control-char unprefixing. I will try it with mskermit when I get a chance. What command should I issue to mimic the K95 default? > : I think the physical link is transparent to control characters. But perhaps > : the hp48 kermit software assumes prefixing. > : > The cardinal rule of any communications protocol is "be conservative in > what you send, be liberal in what you receive". The HP48 has it backwards. > There is no prohibition in the protocol definition against sending bare > control characters, This seems to contradict "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", 1987 ed., which states on page 248, under the heading Encoding Summary: "Prefix encoding for control characters is mandatory." > : The serial port is full duplex. The infrared port is only half-duplex > : because of optical feedback. > : > Does this apply to all models? I got my information about dead periods in > the serial port from an HP engineer, circa 1990. My information comes from HP and apparently applies to all HP48s. You might want to have a look at http://hp48.ml.org/programming/docs/ioguide.zip Perhaps the dead time you mention is an artifact of a poor kermit implementation. If you believe HP, it does not seem to be a limitation of the hardware. > Can you help clear this up? What is the deal? Text-mode transfers into > the HP-48 are the ones that get progressively slower? But binary-mode > transfers into the HP-48 are OK? Both are affected. > Is it true that incoming text-mode packets are parsed as HP-48 programs? > So this means that only HP-48 programs may be sent in text mode, and any > other text files sent to the HP-48 are likely to be rejected. One user > reported that any text file containing a "-" character would be rejected > for "Invalid syntax". > > This means that non-HP-48-program files must be sent to the HP-48 in binary > mode, right? The packets are parsed into an HP48 _object_, which might be a program, or might just be a string variable. I think it tries to parse the incoming stream as if it were being keyed in. So, [1 2 3], if sent in text mode would become vector. If the syntax of the sent object does not make sense as a keyed-in object, it becomes a string. > set carrier-watch off ; (Does the HP-48 assert DCD? If so, use ON.) It has no hardware flow control, if that's what you mean. > set flow none ; (or Xon/Xoff) Should be none. > set control prefix all ; (Don't send bare control chars) Until I see that unprefixing works, I should assume not. > set receive timeout 99 ; (see Note 1 below...) > set send pause 100 ; (see Note 2 below...) I don't think these are needed, your notes notwithstanding. I very rarely see packets retransmitted, which one might expect if there were a serious turn-around problem. > set file type text ; For HP-48 programs Most programs people download to their calcs are compiled binaries. They would be corrupted in text mode. Simple user-rpl programs, such as one might key into the calc itself, can be downloaded in text mode. > set file type binary ; For all other forms of data This is what I use almost exclusively. All the great freeware software out there should be downloaded this way. > Oh, by the way, another peculiarity I noticed... If the HP-48 is set up to As long as you are cataloguing peculiarities, the HP48 sends packet sequence numbers that are larger than 63. One can compensate by doing mod63 before verifying. Is this right? Another place to get more information is the hp48 faq: http://www.engr.uvic.ca/~aschoorl/faq/48faq-6.html > - Frank Skip From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 23 05:02:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA27908 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 05:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA19431 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 May 1998 05:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!Supernews73!supernews.com!nntp.flash.net!scanner.worldgate.com!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca!mmastrac From: Matthew Mastracci Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 02:13:14 -0600 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 102 Message-ID: <6k60eq$cva@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: mmastrac@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: Frank da Cruz In-Reply-To: <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8776 comp.sys.hp48:81349 On 22 May 1998, Frank da Cruz wrote: > As noted in an earlier posting in this thread, I would like to straighten > out the massive confusion about Kermit file transfer with the HP-48. We (at > the Kermit Project) are not HP-48 experts, but we do have an early model > HP-48 for testing. When we get complaints or questions about file transfer > with the HP-48, we check our answers on it. I've written a Kermit program for transferring between the PC and the HP48, so I'd like to offer my discoveries (I've spent a long time getting my client to connect to the calculator). > 1. The top serial speed is 9600, right? Yes. > 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have > conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be > exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that > it does not (even if it is set to do so). The calculation doesn't need flow control, as the size of a packet will never exceed the internal buffer (sliding windows aren't supported). Having XON/XOFF interferes with the transfer, from what I can tell, as the HP48 picks the control characters up as unquoted data. I can tell you *absolutely* that flow control is not required. > 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the > client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending > to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to > SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. The link is transparent to all characters. The HP48 will reject any packet that contains an unquoted control character with a NAK packet (this is probably because the calculator can also send via IR, which may introduce errors). Control-character prefixing must be used to send to the HP48. > 4. Does the link allow 8-bit data? If not, the client must be given > the appropriate SET PARITY command. The default setting for the HP48's serial port is 9600 baud, no parity, 8 bits and 1 stop bit. If it has been set to something else, you can restore it to this default by deleting the IOPAR variable. > The HP-48 does not support long packets; thus the maximum packet length > is 94, but this should be negotiated automatically. This is negotiated properly. > The HP communication port is half duplex, meaning that data can go in both > directions, but only in one direction at a time. Therefore sliding windows > can not be used (this too should be negotiated automatically). Yes. The HP48's info is something like "~* @-#N1". > More to the point, I have also heard that (at least some models of) the > HP-48 become "deaf" to incoming bytes for some number of milliseconds while > switching their serial port from "send" to "receive", so if the client > program is too fast, file transfers can fail. The solution to this is to > tell the client program to pause for a sufficient number of milliseconds > prior to sending each packet: This only happens every dozen packets or so. A client that can resubmit a NAK'd packet will be able to recover from this. If you watch a transfer at high speeds, you'll see every few packets fail (for no apparent reason: the link cable is a very clean line). Setting the flag you mentioned will fix the problem. > Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation > "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material > from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily > deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 > dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's not > much that the Kermit client can do about that. Actually, it has to copy the *entire* received buffer for each packet, from what I understand. > Any other hints from HP-48 users will be appreciated; I'll be glad to > collect them into an FAQ. The '48 is very picky about some aspects of the Kermit protocol. Here are a few additional points about the HP48's server: - The only way to change the working directory is with a command packet that reads: { Relative_directory_name } EVAL - Each command packet will send back data containing a stack dump. - Directory dumps are in the format: --- { Current_directory } Free_space Object_name Object_size_bytes Object_type Object_CRC ... etc ... --- - Error packets should contain CR+LF (#M#J) at the end of the string - You can shut the HP48's server down with a 'G' packet, data "F" /\/\att /\/\astracci mmastrac@acs.ucalgary.ca "Tout choses sont dites deja, mais comme personne n'ecoute, il faut toujours recommencer." From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 23 20:12:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA08167 for ; Sat, 23 May 1998 20:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA06886 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 23 May 1998 20:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ais.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 24 May 1998 00:06:37 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 90 Message-ID: <6k7oad$5ka$1@news.iastate.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8777 comp.sys.hp48:81375 As to the flow-control debate (Xon/Xoff vs. none) with HP48 Kermit, I do not see how it could possibly hurt to leave it set to Xon/Xoff, unless "control-character prefixing" were inadvertently disabled even for Xon/Xoff, since in the absence of a buffer actually becoming filled to the specified point, no Xoff will get sent and no time will be wasted; however, not many people are likely to have enabled Xon/Xoff flow control within the HP48 itself, since to do so requires manually editing the IOPAR variable in the HOME directory per directions in the manual, which no one ever reads anyway :) Being a conservative person, I always enable Xon/Xoff flow control on both sides, just in case the theoretical argument that it's impossible to trigger the condition should ever fail on either side, which certainly would cause a problem if it did, especially if the elected block-check-type was minimal or none on either side. People tend to forget that even "official" Kermit "negotiates down" the "block check" option to the lesser of what both sides propose, and that non-official implementations of Kermit in various "terminal emulators" generally never even state or give the user any option for choosing block checking; at least the HP48 gives the user a choice (unfortunately defaulting to 1, rather than 3, much as flow-control defaults to none). The HP48 does support block-check-type 3, however, as it has the same CRC algorithm built into its hardware. As to parsing of ascii, the HP48 Kermit implementation embeds two extra services not normally considered part of Kermit; if the HP48 is told to send in "ascii mode," it both "decompiles" (translates an internal binary object into ascii words) and translates some or all of the ascii characters having decimal value 128-255 into "backslash-prefixed" codes (some digraphs, some numeric codes); carriage-returns may also be inserted before linefeeds as this occurs. Conversely, if the HP48 is told to receive in "ascii mode," it performs character translation (backslash-prefixed codes into single characters) and then also "compiles" on the fly (translating text words into binary internal objects), in which case any syntax error terminates the transfer immediately (thus compiling is performed per packet, rather than after receipt of the entire file). When sending in "binary mode," no translation occurs, and no slowdown occurs. When receiving in "binary" mode, the entire file is received as a string; however, the appending of each new packet to the string, copying the entire received string each time, is what causes the slowdown (every now and then it may suddenly revert to the original speed, perhaps after storing a large chunk of the received string, or else after an internal "garbage collection"). I do not know for sure, but if the internal 256-byte default HP48 I/O buffer is a fixed area, then no "garbage collection" (or other processing) ought to be required in the middle of a packet; otherwise one would expect to see more re-transmissions, especially with flow-control set to "none," but generally none occur. Only after the entire "binary" file is received does the HP48 take one more step, unrelated to Kermit, in which it checks to see whether the received file begins with a specific prefix "HPHP48-x" and if so, whether all the rest of the received bytes constitutes a valid internal HP48 binary object; if so, the HP48 delivers the extracted binary object as its result, and otherwise it leaves the received string as the result (thus allowing any computer file to be received literally as a string, even if it does not represent anything meaningful to the HP48). As to the version of Kermit supplied by HP, the one I received with my connection kit (and the only one still found posted on HP's FTP and web site) responds as follows to the VERSION command: IBM-PC Kermit-MS: 2.32/A 21 Jan 1989 Copyright (C) Trustees of Columbia University 1982, 1989. I find this version to work perfectly with the HP48 in an MS-DOS window under Win 3.1, although other people may report problems under Win95, possibly due to improper configurations (I can furnish a list of past postings about such failures and successes, if desired). In fact, I am using this very Kermit at this very moment, inasmuch as no other terminal emulator or Telnet program I have yet tried out emulates the VT-100 as perfectly as does Kermit, and my connection is via a login to various systems which require a VT-100 emulation. Congratulations to the Kermit Project for a job long well done, and even for still caring about the HP48 :) ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 24 12:55:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA02149 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25908 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 May 1998 12:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!news-xfer.netaxs.com!netaxs.com!usenet From: "." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automated Communications Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 11:31:48 -0400 Organization: newsread.com ISP News Reading Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <35659A64.5817@randomc.com> Reply-To: lwhite@randomc.com NNTP-Posting-Host: pm-atl-1-77.nbank.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8779 I am interested in obtaining an established, automated, timed utility to make daily connections using Kermit from a WIN 95 / K-95 system to multiple DOS / Kermit-server locations , "GET" a list of files, save them to a directory established for each location, then go get the files from the next location. The "Using C-Kermit" programming book has all the fun stuff to accomplish this, but if a utility already exists... Anything freeware, shareware, commercial, ect will be fine. Larry White lwhite@randomc.com wrc1959@bellsouth.net AAPCO Computers From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 24 13:17:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA04055 for ; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA26907 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 24 May 1998 13:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.gte.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.nyu.edu!nobody From: tick@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Leo J. Tick) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sending some text Date: 24 May 1998 13:10:01 -0400 Organization: New York University Lines: 4 Message-ID: <6k9k99$j4q@merv.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: merv.cs.nyu.edu X-Trace: news.nyu.edu 896029803 32278 (None) 128.122.140.58 X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.nyu.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8780 Is there a simple way of sending some text out at a selected time interval in kermit when connected to some host. The reason is obvious I am using os2 if that matters. Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 09:39:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16536 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 09:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!feeder.qis.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-penn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.belnet.be!news.rediris.es!newsfeed.mad.ibernet.es!news.mad.ibernet.es!not-for-mail From: clizzard@sunnydesert.com (Diego Berge) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 23 May 1998 10:39:44 GMT Organization: Telefonica Transmision de Datos Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6k691g$bn3$2@talia.mad.ibernet.es> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp41.198.redestb.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (16bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8786 comp.sys.hp48:81422 Hi, PFJI In article , collibf1@jhuapl.edu says... > >> set carrier-watch off ; (Does the HP-48 assert DCD? If so, use ON.) The 48 doesn't detect DCD. > >It has no hardware flow control, if that's what you mean. > >> set flow none ; (or Xon/Xoff) > >Should be none. It does have. You can activate Xon/Xoff flow control by editing IOPAR manually { x x 1 1 x } to activate xon/xoff both in transmit and receive. Read the manual, it's in there. Regards, Diego Berge. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 12:07:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05698 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA24216 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 12:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 25 May 1998 16:07:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 54 Message-ID: <6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8787 comp.sys.hp48:81425 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: : > Most Kermit programs prefix all control characters by default when sending : > a file. Kermit 95 is the exception, since most Windows 95 users demand : > "high performance". Kermit 95's default is to unprefix a fairly safe : > subset of control characters. : : If I had to bet on what trips up most K95-HP48 connections I would wager it : is control-char unprefixing. I will try it with mskermit when I get a : chance. What command should I issue to mimic the K95 default? : Something like this: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 : > : I think the physical link is transparent to control characters. But : > : perhaps the hp48 kermit software assumes prefixing. : > : > The cardinal rule of any communications protocol is "be conservative in : > what you send, be liberal in what you receive". The HP48 has it backwards. : > There is no prohibition in the protocol definition against sending bare : > control characters, : : This seems to contradict "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", 1987 ed., : which states on page 248, under the heading Encoding Summary: "Prefix : encoding for control characters is mandatory." : No good deed goes unpunished. The conservative original design of the protocol (to protect users from nontransparent connections) resulted in so much heckling from the ZMODEM contingent that we now allow the user to specify a list of control characters that may be unprefixed. This is, strictly speaking, in violation of the protocol definition, and as such it is not (and, as explained previously, can not be) negotiated at the protocol level. Nevertheless, the sample code that accompanies the protocol definition (op.cit., p.231) allows for bare control characters to be received. : As long as you are cataloguing peculiarities, the HP48 sends packet : sequence numbers that are larger than 63. One can compensate by doing : mod63 before verifying. Is this right? : No. Packets numbers should be 0-63, period. The packet length field is one byte long, and contains a printable character. Even if the receiver chopped off the high bits from an incoming packet number, this would work only up to packet 95, since the packet after that would be out of sequence. Thus if it's true that HP does not wrap packet sequence numbers from 63 to 0, then it would appear that it could never, under any circumstances, send files or objects that do not fit into 64 or 96 packets, depending on how the Kermit receiver is coded. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 16:41:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27234 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA08286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!btnet-peer!btnet!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!uunet!in1.uu.net!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: el@linux.lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Won't echo under Linux Date: 25 May 1998 20:12:01 GMT Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6kcjah$hc6$1@news01.iafrica.com> References: <3568DE4C.1B8E2F88@wfu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.31.228.54 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #116 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8788 Ryan Hatcher writes: >I've just installed Kermit 2.1.13 for Linux (RedHat 4.1). I have a USR >Sportster 28.8 (not a winmodem) and it's on ttyS1. Following setup >directions in a HOWTO linux doc I entered a number of commands: > C-Kermit>set line /dev/ttyS3 > I'm fine up to the point where you enter "c". In the AT command > mode nothing happens. I am able to escape back to the Kermit prompt > but I get no response from the actual command line. Nothing I enter > on the line echos back to the screen. If I try and issue the > commands anyway without seeing it the machine locks up once I press > enter. The only command that doesn't lock it up is the "Ctrl-\ c" > command which returns me to the Kermit prompt. Any help or advice is > greatly appreciated :-) Sounds like an interrupt problem. Remember /dev/ttyS3 is com4: in DOS parlance which shares an interrupt with com2: by default. Have a look with setserial /dev/ttyS1 setserial /dev/ttyS3 and see what it shows. And, I wonder, where is the lock file being parked? I have had kermit conflict with mgetty and/or uucp because of the lock files being in different places eg getty was locking the line but kermit didn't know about it because it could not find the lock file. Common places: /usr/spool/uucp /var/spool/locks /var/lock el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\ / Swakopmund State Hospital * | Resident Medical Officer Private Bag 5004 \ / +264 81 124 6733 (cell) 64 461005(h) 461004(f) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108) Vice-Chairman, Board of Trustees, Namibian Internet Development Foundation, -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\ / Swakopmund State Hospital * | Resident Medical Officer Private Bag 5004 \ / +264 81 124 6733 (cell) 64 461005(h) 461004(f) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 16:56:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA29662 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA09012 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 16:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 25 May 1998 20:56:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6kcluf$7a3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k691g$bn3$2@talia.mad.ibernet.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8789 comp.sys.hp48:81433 There's a preliminary tip sheet for Kermit file transfer with the HP-48 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/hp48.html which is also accessible via the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html If anybody has any corrections, suggestions, or new material for it, please let me know. Thanks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 17:55:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11049 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA11985 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 17:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automated Communications Date: 25 May 1998 21:55:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6kcpd9$8uk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35659A64.5817@randomc.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8790 In article <35659A64.5817@randomc.com>, . wrote: : I am interested in obtaining an established, automated, timed utility : to make daily connections using Kermit from a WIN 95 / K-95 system to : multiple DOS / Kermit-server locations , "GET" a list of files, save : them to a directory established for each location, then go get the files : from the next location. The "Using C-Kermit" programming book has all : the fun stuff to accomplish this, but if a utility already exists... : Anything freeware, shareware, commercial, ect will be fine. The Win95 Plus Pak contains a utlity for automating the execution of processes. In NT, use the AT.EXE command. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 18:16:30 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14739 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA13297 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 18:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: sending some text Date: 25 May 1998 22:16:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6kcqjq$9e0$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6k9k99$j4q@merv.cs.nyu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8791 In article <6k9k99$j4q@merv.cs.nyu.edu>, Leo J. Tick wrote: : Is there a simple way of sending some text out at a selected time : interval in kermit when connected to some host. The reason is obvious : I am using os2 if that matters. : Thanks This is possible with Kermit 95's SET TERMINAL IDLE-SEND Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon May 25 21:48:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA23255 for ; Mon, 25 May 1998 21:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA23750 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 25 May 1998 21:48:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!fastnet!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: joehorn@usa.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 01:30:08 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6kd5v0$kof$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k691g$bn3$2@talia.mad.ibernet.es> <6kcluf$7a3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.17.159.43 X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue May 26 01:30:08 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.01 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8792 comp.sys.hp48:81443 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > If anybody has any corrections, suggestions, or new material for > it, please let me know. Thanks. The HP48's complete list of SERVER responses can be found at http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=109002555 -Joe- Joseph K. Horn (1537) [13] <53> {NaN} http://users.kcyb.com/joehorn/HP48.htm -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 04:32:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA20146 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 04:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA13903 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 04:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!vax1.miu.edu!JHMEYERS From: jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 26 May 1998 08:00:21 GMT Organization: MIU Computer Services, Fairfield, IA 52557. Not Approved. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6kdsql$71n$4@news.iastate.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> ,<6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jhmeyers@miu.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: vax1.mum.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8794 comp.sys.hp48:81454 Someone: : As long as you are cataloging peculiarities, the HP48 sends packet : sequence numbers that are larger than 63. One can compensate by doing : mod63 before verifying. Is this right? Frank da Cruz (who wrote the book:) > Packet numbers should be 0-63, period. The packet length field > is one byte long, and contains a printable character. Could it be that the original writer did not account for "adding 32" to the binary count value? My HP48 transfers files requiring hundreds of packets, without problem, so we can credit HP with not implementing a completely non-functional Kermit, inasmuch as no one has ever reported a file which it could not transfer (if it fits in memory). ----------------------------------------------------------- With best wishes from: John H Meyers From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 09:54:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01502 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA00819 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 09:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 26 May 1998 08:50:05 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 44 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> ,<6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6kdsql$71n$4@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8795 comp.sys.hp48:81461 jhmeyers@miu.edu (John H Meyers) writes: > Someone: (otherwise known as Skip Collins) > : As long as you are cataloging peculiarities, the HP48 sends packet > : sequence numbers that are larger than 63. One can compensate by doing > : mod63 before verifying. Is this right? > > Frank da Cruz (who wrote the book:) > > Packet numbers should be 0-63, period. The packet length field > > is one byte long, and contains a printable character. > > Could it be that the original writer did not account for > "adding 32" to the binary count value? My HP48 transfers files > requiring hundreds of packets, without problem, so we can > credit HP with not implementing a completely non-functional Kermit, > inasmuch as no one has ever reported a file which it could not > transfer (if it fits in memory). The hp48 can send invalid sequence numbers. But I had forgotten the circumstances which can cause the behavior. After searching for my original post in deja news, I now recall that only error packets have this problem. I quote the text of that post below. Skip Collins --- Quoted from http://www.dejanews.com/getdoc.xp?AN=288295828 This is a small, relatively harmless, but nevertheless real bug in ROM R. When sending an error packet, the kermit routine may send an invalid packet sequence number. The sequence number is supposed to be limited to the range 0 to 63. But when generating an error packet after pressing ON during a transfer, the packet number may exceed 63. Apparently someone forgot to do an '& 63' to the internal packet number before generating the error packet. I suppose it is possible that a bad character could be sent out, thereby preventing the error message from being received. Also, some kermit receivers may timeout waiting for a valid packet to arrive. I discovered the problem while writing a quick and dirty kermit. My solution was to do '& 63' on all incoming sequence numbers. Skip From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 10:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13258 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA03409 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 10:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.hp48,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit - PC to HP-48GX Date: 26 May 1998 14:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 78 Message-ID: <6kekdq$75n$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3564B902.637999C3@theriver.com> <6kdnum$71n$2@news.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.hp48:81463 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8796 In article <6kdnum$71n$2@news.iastate.edu>, John H Meyers wrote: : In article <3564B902.637999C3@theriver.com>, : Andy Fox writes: : : > This doesn't work: : > PC running K95 in server mode, HP-48 receive : : Try KGET instead of RECV. : : > PC running K95, type "send filename", HP-48 receive : : Should work; try starting RECV on HP48 just before sending from PC. : : Do you mean that you have to actually type "send xxxx" on K95? : What kind of "Windows program" is that? : What is it supposed to do, use telepathy to figure out which file you want to send? :-) (*) : You could have just used free MS-DOS Kermit and typed the same thing :) : MS-DOS Kermit might or might not work in Windows 95. It certainly won't work for "Windows-Only" communication devices, or with devices that are owned by TAPI, etc. : BTW, how long is that file name? : Is there a maximum? Does HP-48 Kermit choke on filenames longer than a certain length? : If the above is of no help (because that's what you already did :) : then try asking instead; : Frank da Cruz seems in a generous mood towards the HP48 this week :) : We try to be nice to everybody, but we don't necessarily have time to read every newsgroup every day, so it is always a good idea to post questions about Kermit on comp.protocols.kermit.misc, where you will get a prompt and courteous answer. : What about such settings as using the port directly, rather than through : BIOS/PnP etc. (or does K95 take care of all this?)... : K95 lets you do it either way, your choice. : ... you could also try : eliminating Xon/Xoff, just in case one too many of those was sent. : The concensus seems to be that Xon/Xoff is not needed, and in any case might not work at all during Kermit transfers. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/hp48.html for our current attempt at explaining how to use Kermit software with the HP-48. Additional suggestions will be appreciated. : So, will there be a K98 next month? After all, doesn't everyone want : to ride on Mickey Soft's coat-tails and sell upgrades of their own : every time the "big guy" rolls one out? :) : There have been 16 Kermit 95 upgrades since K95 was released, all of them free. This will continue to be our policy for the foreseeable future. : Will new HP calcs work with that new-fangled serial port? : (or, will you have to buy a PC98 to use an HP98?) : What new-fangled serial port are you talking about? Kermit 95 works with any communication port that has a COM or TAPI driver, but if the physical port is not RS-232 (or can't be tricked into behaving like RS-232, as, for example, RS-423 can be) then some kind of converter box will be necessary to make it communicate with RS-232 devices. - Frank (*) Yes, I know you want a dialog box. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 14:44:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA19550 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16583 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sgi.admin,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with kermit, indy, and a sportster 28.8 modem. Date: 26 May 1998 18:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-ID: <6kf2ir$f44$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.sgi.admin:67471 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8797 In article , Jeff Younker wrote: : Scott Henry writes: : > ... : > J> ... but ttyf2 does : > J> not seem to be working with kermit (or minicom for that matter). : > J> However Seyon does a great job with it. : > : > I don't remember which release this happened to, except that it is : > post-5.3 and pre-6.5, but if you use the termios stuff, you must : > explicitely clear the bits you don't want, and set the ones that you : > do want (NOT just "set the modes that you want"), or you will be : > clearing some new bits that are needed. Try recompiling with : > -D_OLD_TERMIOS (which gets the old behavior). : : Hmmmmm. I'll do this. : > J> Now the nugget about the defective motherboard which hoses only ttyf2 : > J> is interesting. (As is the discussion about the not-quite-mac ports.) : > J> Since the Seyon port comes from SGI perhaps it contains a work around : > J> for the indy motherboard defect. I think I'll try a few more hosts... : > : > If ttyf* works for *any* app, then it is OK. There is no software : > workaround, other than not to use the ttyf* port. : : Ah. So my Indy's mother board is therefore not hosed, and the programs : that I'm trying to use should be forced to behave properly. To fix them : I'll either have to recomiple them, or upgrade to 6.5. Both options sound : like a mess, but I guess that I'll try the recompilation first. : Let's start copying this discussion to comp.protocols.kermit.misc since it's about Kermit. For those who don't know, C-Kermit 6.1 is currently in Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html It includes a lot of improvements in IRIX serial-port handling -- higher serial speeds, hardware flow control via API (i.e. now you can "set flow rts/cts"), etc. So my first recommendation would be to try the new version and see if the problems persist. If they do, let's get them fixed -- I'll need the cooperation of IRIX experts, since I don't have an SGI workstation I can put my hands (and a modem, and a breakout box) on. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 15:07:29 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25240 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA17787 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:07:28 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!ix.netcom.com!news From: "James Davies" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 and windows95 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 09:57:05 -0600 Organization: ICGNetcom Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6kf3o3$g2d@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: har-tx1-11.ix.netcom.com X-NETCOM-Date: Tue May 26 2:04:35 PM CDT 1998 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8798 Why does kermit 3.14 work with windows 95 on some systems and not on others? Is there an easy way tofix the problem on those that it does not work on? thanks in advance. -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ www /////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ( ^ ^ )" ///////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ {(6)^(6)}? //////// \\\\\\ \V/ \\\\\\ (_) / ////////// \\\\\\\ (``)? \\\\\\\\ |_~_| /////////// \\\\\\\ \ \ --- ~~ --- //////// \\\\\\ \ \ / | ////// \\\\\\\\ \ \ _ / |Greetings | | ///// \\\\\\\\\\ \__ / | Delphite! | | ////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | | | ////// \\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\\ |==+====( ) /////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | ' ` | ///////// \\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\\ | | | ////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ / /| | /////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ / / | | /////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ \ | | /////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \ __| | //////////// \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ /---\\\\/-- --\\\ ////////// From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 15:17:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27568 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18275 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!wtn-news-feed2.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 26 May 1998 15:11:21 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 38 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8799 comp.sys.hp48:81471 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article , > Skip Collins wrote: > : What command should I issue to mimic the K95 default? > > SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL > SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 17 19 129 141 145 147 I find that setting _any_ unprefixed control characters, in the low or high range, causes problems. A transfer just stops and retries occur until the limit is exceeded. This is one area where a re-implemented hp48 kermit could easily improve performance. > : > There is no prohibition in the protocol definition against sending bare > : > control characters, > : > : This seems to contradict "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol", 1987 ed., > : which states on page 248, under the heading Encoding Summary: "Prefix > : encoding for control characters is mandatory." > : > No good deed goes unpunished. It seems that the programmers at hp took you at your word. While there were plenty of unfortunate choices made in the implementation of the protocol on the hp48, this behavior is at least defensible. If a control character comes along, it is pretty good indicator of a bad packet, assuming control characters are not allowed. Which is not a bad assumption, given the wording of the protocol specification. The hp48 team was just being extra careful about error checking :). I think I remember reading somewhere that there was some sort of problem between the kermit project and the hp48 designers. Is this true? If so, it's a shame that there could not have been closer cooperation between the two parties. These programming problems should have been fixed years ago. Skip From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 15:24:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA29226 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18539 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 and windows95 Date: 26 May 1998 19:24:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6kf4u7$ggj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kf3o3$g2d@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8800 In article <6kf3o3$g2d@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, James Davies wrote: : Why does kermit 3.14 work with windows 95 on : some systems and not on others? : MS-DOS Kermit is not a native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT program. If it works on your PC, fine. If it doesn't, then please use Kermit 95 instead: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html since it is a native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT program that uses only native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT APIs, and has access to Windows-specific devices and features that DOS programs are not allowed to access. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue May 26 15:30:53 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01346 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18851 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 26 May 1998 19:30:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6kf599$gnn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8801 comp.sys.hp48:81472 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : I think I remember reading somewhere that there was some sort of : problem between the kermit project and the hp48 designers. Is this : true? If so, it's a shame that there could not have been closer : cooperation between the two parties. These programming problems should : have been fixed years ago. : HP is a big company with many parts. We have extraordinarily good relations with some parts of HP. For example, C-Kermit is now an offical, supported part of HP-UX. See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/hp.html We have not had such good luck with the calculator and palmtop divisions, even though they put Kermit protocol in their products. We would like to have a better relationship with them. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 27 12:10:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA13256 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11150 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 May 1998 12:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.idt.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!news.monroe.army.mil!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: kirkland@ee.utah.edu (Dan Kirkland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 27 May 1998 08:55:57 -0600 Organization: Univ of Utah Electrical Engineering Dept Lines: 141 Message-ID: <6kh9ht$14i@ee.utah.edu> References: <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.utah.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8802 comp.sys.hp48:81500 Sorry for joining this a bit late, but I don't read news real often. And the university's news feed seems to be screwy, so many articles are very late (so my replies may be out of order). [very many deletions] In article <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >Skip Collins wrote: >: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >: > But we usually find that what works for us fails to work for others, or >: > vice versa. No doubt because there are many and varied HP-48 models, ROM >: > versions, etc etc. >: > 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have >: > conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be >: > exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that >: > it does not (even if it is set to do so). >: >: Why is flow control necessary or even desirable given the maximum >: packet size is 94 and the receive buffer is 255? >: >Theoretically, it would not be necessary. But I don't know how their >Kermit implementation works internally. Does it parse incoming packets as >it reads them, or does it read them first and then parse them? Can anything >else happen during a read? Garbage collection, etc? Flow control is dependant on BOTH sides, is it not? The HP48 should not need flow control for itself, but it sometimes may be needed to work with the OTHER computer (right?). I have never used XON/XOFF with MSKERMIT or C-Kermit on HP-UX. Someone did tell me that they needed XON/XOFF for transfers with C-Kermit on a PC with Linux. (???) >: > 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the >: > client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending >: > to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to >: > SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. >: >: Shouldn't control char unprefixing be a negotiated feature? >: >It would seem so, but no. The reason is that the two parties have no idea >what lies between them, and so there is no way they can negotiate a safe >set of control characters. > >: If it is not, I can see where this might be the cause of many people's >: problems. Surely it is not the default? >: >Most Kermit programs prefix all control characters by default when sending a >file. Kermit 95 is the exception, since most Windows 95 users demand "high >performance". Kermit 95's default is to unprefix a fairly safe subset of >control characters. Sadly, the HP48 REQUIRES control character prefixing. All characters less than character 32, characters 127 to 159, and character 255, ALL MUST BE PREFIXED! If ANY of these characters (0-31, 127-159, 255) are NOT prefixed, it just will NOT work! (Sad huh?) >: > The HP communication port is half duplex, meaning that data can go in both >: > directions, but only in one direction at a time. Therefore sliding >: > windows can not be used (this too should be negotiated automatically). >: >: The serial port is full duplex. The infrared port is only half-duplex >: because of optical feedback. >: >Does this apply to all models? I got my information about dead periods in >the serial port from an HP engineer, circa 1990. The HP48 kermit commands are designed to work with half-duplex. Dead periods??? The poorly written HP48 commands will surely CREATE dead periods such as between packet receiving and acknowledgement (and likely others...). >: > Postings on comp.sys.hp48 indicate that the HP-48 Kermit implementation >: > "parses" incoming text-mode material on the fly, and appends the material >: > from each incoming packet to a "string", resulting in a steadily >: > deteriorating transfer rate, at least up to some point at which the HP-48 >: > dumps the string to storage and starts over with a new string. There's >: > not much that the Kermit client can do about that. >: >: This is the biggest problem with hp48 kermit. >: >Can you help clear this up? What is the deal? Text-mode transfers into >the HP-48 are the ones that get progressively slower? But binary-mode >transfers into the HP-48 are OK? Okay, yes text-mode material is parsed on-the-fly. But, ALL HP48 kermit transfers get progressively slower! That right! BOTH text AND binary transfers get slower and slower! >Is it true that incoming text-mode packets are parsed as HP-48 programs? >So this means that only HP-48 programs may be sent in text mode, and any >other text files sent to the HP-48 are likely to be rejected. One user >reported that any text file containing a "-" character would be rejected >for "Invalid syntax". > >This means that non-HP-48-program files must be sent to the HP-48 in binary >mode, right? No, this is not quite right. Yes text-mode packets are parsed..., into a HP48 user OBJECT!!! It could be parsed into a program, or a list, or a string, or ... For non-HP48 objects you just need to add a string header (C$ $ ) before sending and it will be parsed into a string. One more thing... It seems to me that ASCII mode on the HP48 is an HP48 mode and NOT a kermit mode! (???) Meaning files can pretty much always be sent to the HP48 as binary files, then the HP48 will decide how to decode the file. (It seems that the HP48 always sends starting with an F packet, and when it receives it expects to start with either an F or an X packet...??? Okay, I'm lost here...) Hope this helps, dan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 27 15:29:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28310 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20981 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 May 1998 15:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!news.monroe.army.mil!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: kirkland@ee.utah.edu (Dan Kirkland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 27 May 1998 09:22:56 -0600 Organization: Univ of Utah Electrical Engineering Dept Lines: 41 Message-ID: <6khb4g$1me@ee.utah.edu> References: <6k1qoj$d92$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.utah.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8803 comp.sys.hp48:81502 In article <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > 1. The top serial speed is 9600, right? Right. > 2. Should the flow control setting be NONE or XON/XOFF? We have > conflicting reports (see above). Obviously the HP-48 *should* be > exercising some form of flow control, but some reports indicate that > it does not (even if it is set to do so). The HP48 can use XON/XOFF if needed, but the HP48 itself does not need it for kermit transfers. > 3. Is the link transparent to incoming control characters? Can the > client Kermit program use control-character unprefixing when sending > to the HP-48? If not, the client program must be told to > SET CONTROL PREFIX ALL prior to sending files to the HP-48. No the HP48 requires certian characters (0-31, 127-159, 255) to ALWAYS be prefixed! > 4. Does the link allow 8-bit data? If not, the client must be given > the appropriate SET PARITY command. The HP48 allows 8-bit data, so this will depend on the other end. >More to the point, I have also heard that (at least some models of) the >HP-48 become "deaf" to incoming bytes for some number of milliseconds while >switching their serial port from "send" to "receive", so if the client >program is too fast, file transfers can fail. The solution to this is to >tell the client program to pause for a sufficient number of milliseconds >prior to sending each packet: > > set send pause 100 ; or whatever number works Looking at the poor HP48 code, I say this makes perfect sense. Hope this helps, dan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed May 27 18:43:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13608 for ; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02576 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 27 May 1998 18:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!nntp.abs.net!aplcen.apl.jhu.edu!netnews.jhuapl.edu!usenet From: Skip Collins Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 27 May 1998 13:21:18 -0400 Organization: Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Lab, Laurel, MD, USA Lines: 14 Sender: collibf1@COLLIBF1 Message-ID: References: <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6kh9ht$14i@ee.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: collibf1-2.jhuapl.edu X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8804 comp.sys.hp48:81503 kirkland@ee.utah.edu (Dan Kirkland) writes: > Sadly, the HP48 REQUIRES control character prefixing. > All characters less than character 32, characters 127 to 159, and > character 255, ALL MUST BE PREFIXED! Just out of curiosity, despite the problems it causes on the hp48, is it ever permissible to unprefix 127 or 255? When I do set con unpre all They are not included. When I do set con unpre 127/255 I get the error "Number is not in range of 0..31, 128..159" Skip Collins From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu May 28 00:02:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA27685 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA19234 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 28 May 1998 00:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 28 May 1998 04:01:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6kinjl$6pn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6k42pd$a3m$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6kh9ht$14i@ee.utah.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8806 comp.sys.hp48:81516 In article , Skip Collins wrote: : kirkland@ee.utah.edu (Dan Kirkland) writes: : : > Sadly, the HP48 REQUIRES control character prefixing. : > All characters less than character 32, characters 127 to 159, and : > character 255, ALL MUST BE PREFIXED! : : Just out of curiosity, despite the problems it causes on the hp48, is : it ever permissible to unprefix 127 or 255? When I do : set con unpre all : They are not included. When I do : set con unpre 127/255 : I get the error "Number is not in range of 0..31, 128..159" : : Skip Collins C-Kermit and K95 both allow 127 and 255 to be unprefixed IF and ONLY IFF the characters are not known to be dangerous. For instance 255 cannot be sent unprefixed on a telnet connection. 127 with some forms of parity would be 255 so that is treated the same. The MS-DOS Kermit rules are left over from a more conservative day. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 07:10:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28651 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA16222 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 07:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-lond.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!btnet-peer!btnet!newsfeed.ecrc.net!news.cesnet.cz!not-for-mail From: "CPFZ a.s." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: receive & send problem Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 11:11:52 +0200 Organization: Cesnet Lines: 305 Message-ID: <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: taf7.anet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1F0EF29CA8F22B4FC0D55F4C" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8808 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1F0EF29CA8F22B4FC0D55F4C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I have problem ( who haven't :-) with sending and receiving files. My machine is HP-UX B.10.20 C 9000/859 and modem is ZyXel U-1496. I tried another modem, so modem problem it is not ( but maybe bad default settings od both modems ?:-( ). This problem arised when power supply failed, so HP machine was correctly shutdowned and restarted. The client is Win95 and HyperTerminal. The server is HP of course. I connect to ZyXel, login into HP and run kermit. Everything goes well. Now I write, for exemple, "receive" and kermit say me "Return to your local Kermit and give a SEND command.". So I choose "Send file" and select some file in my Win95 system. Window with transfer informations is opening and ( my Win95 and HyperTerminal are localized in czech language, so I try to translate right :-) ) HyperTerminal is trying send packets. Most of fields is empty in the transmit window. Only "Packet" is 1, "Retrains" is 4 ( field under Packets ) and "Last error" is "To Retry the request". The transmit window is closed after this. The output of remote kermit is: --- KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE... # N3 # N3 # N3 # N3 # N3 # N3 4 EToo many retries.O [/home/adbos] C-Kermit> --- Now the remote kermit is 'frozen'. Only Ctrl-break produces : [/home/adbos] C-Kermit>^C... Now I can disconnect only :-(. I also tried to connect from HP machine to linux machine. In this case I was wonder. Sending and receiving files worked fine. I attached debug.log file from remote HP's kermit. Thanks a lot for any suggestions and excuse my english. 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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: receive & send problem Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 15:24:46 +0200 Organization: Cesnet Lines: 5 Message-ID: <356EB71E.E3E5A499@ms.anet.cz> References: <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: taj5.cesnet.cz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8809 P.S. I just tried to connect via network to HP and receive & send works. Jindra Bosak cpfz@ms.anet.cz From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 10:43:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA02781 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 10:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: receive & send problem Date: 29 May 1998 14:43:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-ID: <6kmhi7$op$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8810 In article <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz>, CPFZ a.s. wrote: : : I have problem ( who haven't :-) with sending and receiving files. : My machine is HP-UX B.10.20 C 9000/859 and modem is ZyXel U-1496. : I tried another modem, so modem problem it is not ( but maybe bad : default settings od both modems ?:-( ). : : This problem arised when power supply failed, so HP machine was : correctly shutdowned and restarted. : : The client is Win95 and HyperTerminal. The server is HP of course. : I connect to ZyXel, login into HP and run kermit. Everything goes well. : Now I write, for exemple, "receive" and kermit say me "Return to your : local Kermit and give a SEND command.". So I choose "Send file" and : select some file in my Win95 system. Window with transfer informations : is opening and ( my Win95 and HyperTerminal are localized in czech : language, so I try to translate right :-) ) HyperTerminal is trying : send packets. Most of fields is empty in the transmit window. Only : "Packet" is 1, "Retrains" is 4 ( field under Packets ) and "Last error" : is "To Retry the request". The transmit window is closed after this. : The output of remote kermit is: : --- : KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE... : # N3 : # N3 : # N3 : # N3 : # N3 : # N3 : 4 EToo many retries.O : Those are NAKs (Negative ACKnowledgements). They show that HyperTerminal either sent no packets at all, or else it sent bad packets. HyperTerminal is not our product. We can't tell you how to use it or debug problems with it. We recommend and support Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html for Windows 95. Its Kermit protocol works, and it supports Czech character sets in terminal emulation and file transfer (in case you are transferring Czech-language text files between your PC and HP-UX). : [/home/adbos] C-Kermit> : --- : Now the remote kermit is 'frozen'. Only Ctrl-break produces : : [/home/adbos] C-Kermit>^C... : Now I can disconnect only :-(. : As explained in the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html ... you can type three Ctrl-C's to get back to the C-Kermit prompt. : I also tried to connect from HP machine to linux machine. : In this case I was wonder. Sending and receiving files worked fine. : Because you are using real Kermit software on both ends. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 11:03:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA06961 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA28326 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.vt.edu!solaris.cc.vt.edu!portal.gmu.edu!rmalghan From: rmalghan@site.gmu.edu (Ravi Malghan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: accesing modem for users other than root? Date: 29 May 1998 14:46:28 GMT Organization: George Mason University, Fairfax, Virginia, USA Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: bacon.gmu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8811 Hi, I am using the C-Kermit to sent pages over a connected modem. I am able to send pages as a root. But when I try sending as any other user I get the following message === mgtserver% ./page_ravi 18885005136 1 536 /var/spool/locks: Permission denied Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttya ?Sorry, you must SET LINE first Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Default file-transfer mode is TEXT Type ? or HELP for help. [/export/home/rmalghan/pager_softwares/C-Kermit] C-Kermit> ====== The permissions for the locks, term/a files are: drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp uucp 512 May 29 10:28 locks lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/ttya -> term/a lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 47 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/term/a -> ../../de vices/pci@1f,4000/ebus@1/se@14,400000:a -- ******************** Ravi Malghan Tel: (O) (703) 207 7924 (H) (703) 385 0847 e-mail: rmalghan@bacon.gmu.edu WWW : http://bacon.gmu.edu/~rmalghan ********************* From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 11:16:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09635 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29146 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!psinntp!pubxfer.news.psi.net!usenet From: "Nashmark" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: receive & send problem Date: 29 May 1998 15:15:47 GMT Organization: CompuData, Inc. Lines: 62 Message-ID: <01bd8b14$82efc3c0$6ac9a126@perryw.compu.com> References: <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz> NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.161.201.106 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1161 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8812 Just a suggestion (it worked for me) Use KERMIT ROBUST mode. That works just about always! Also, use the commands kermit -is [file] (for send binary mode), and kermit -ir (for receive binary mode.) Also, make sure your dialup connection is not converting speed. If your port speed is 9600, make sure you connect @ 9600! Hint - Replace "HyperTerminal" with Kermit95. PW/pw CPFZ a.s. wrote in article <356E7BD8.83278525@ms.anet.cz>... > Hi All, > > I have problem ( who haven't :-) with sending and receiving files. > My machine is HP-UX B.10.20 C 9000/859 and modem is ZyXel U-1496. > I tried another modem, so modem problem it is not ( but maybe bad > default settings od both modems ?:-( ). > > This problem arised when power supply failed, so HP machine was > correctly shutdowned and restarted. > > The client is Win95 and HyperTerminal. The server is HP of course. > I connect to ZyXel, login into HP and run kermit. Everything goes well. > Now I write, for exemple, "receive" and kermit say me "Return to your > local Kermit and give a SEND command.". So I choose "Send file" and > select some file in my Win95 system. Window with transfer informations > is opening and ( my Win95 and HyperTerminal are localized in czech > language, so I try to translate right :-) ) HyperTerminal is trying > send packets. Most of fields is empty in the transmit window. Only > "Packet" is 1, "Retrains" is 4 ( field under Packets ) and "Last error" > is "To Retry the request". The transmit window is closed after this. > The output of remote kermit is: > --- > KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE... > # N3 > # N3 > # N3 > # N3 > # N3 > # N3 > 4 EToo many retries.O > > [/home/adbos] C-Kermit> > --- > Now the remote kermit is 'frozen'. Only Ctrl-break produces : > [/home/adbos] C-Kermit>^C... > Now I can disconnect only :-(. > > I also tried to connect from HP machine to linux machine. > In this case I was wonder. Sending and receiving files worked fine. > > I attached debug.log file from remote HP's kermit. > > Thanks a lot for any suggestions and excuse my english. > > Jindra Bosak > cpfz@ms.anet.cz From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 11:18:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10108 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29174 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: accesing modem for users other than root? Date: 29 May 1998 15:18:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6kmjl0$1r1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8813 In article <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu>, Ravi Malghan wrote: : I am using the C-Kermit to sent pages over a connected modem. I am able : to send pages as a root. But when I try sending as any other user : I get the following message : : mgtserver% ./page_ravi 18885005136 1 536 : /var/spool/locks: Permission denied : Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttya : ... : The permissions for the locks, term/a files are: : : drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp uucp 512 May 29 10:28 locks : You've answered you own question. Please read the UNIX appendix of the manual, "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html or the section "DIALING OUT AND COORDINATING WITH UUCP" in your ckuins.doc file. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 12:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24427 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02952 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!csulb.edu!awabi.library.ucla.edu!207.97.14.174!europa.clark.net!128.158.254.10!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!news.monroe.army.mil!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!not-for-mail From: kirkland@ee.utah.edu (Dan Kirkland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Date: 27 May 1998 09:41:13 -0600 Organization: Univ of Utah Electrical Engineering Dept Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6khc6p$23u@ee.utah.edu> References: <6k4ef6$g6p$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ee.utah.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8815 comp.sys.hp48:81599 In article , Skip Collins writes: >fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >> set receive timeout 99 ; (see Note 1 below...) >> set send pause 100 ; (see Note 2 below...) > >I don't think these are needed, your notes notwithstanding. I very >rarely see packets retransmitted, which one might expect if there were >a serious turn-around problem. This seems to vary from person to person (machine to machine, kermit to kermit, ...). Likely should leave it in for a default. >> set file type text ; For HP-48 programs >> set file type binary ; For all other forms of data I think that binary mode will work for all HP48 transfers...? dan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 12:28:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24425 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02950 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!newsfeed.wli.net!ais.net!news.msfc.nasa.gov!info.usuhs.mil!news.monroe.army.mil!wrdiss1.robins.af.mil!wpdiss1.wpafb.af.mil!oodiss1.hill.af.mil!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu (Roger Ivie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp48 Subject: Re: Kermit on the HP48 (Was: One-Way Transfer) Message-ID: <3FmrftJsqL4F@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 May 98 09:39:21 MDT References: <35646665.EBB3868B@theriver.com> <6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8814 comp.sys.hp48:81598 In article <6kc4vm$ssl$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > No good deed goes unpunished. The conservative original design of the > protocol (to protect users from nontransparent connections) resulted in > so much heckling from the ZMODEM contingent that we now allow the user to > specify a list of control characters that may be unprefixed. This is, > strictly speaking, in violation of the protocol definition, and as such > it is not (and, as explained previously, can not be) negotiated at the > protocol level. > > Nevertheless, the sample code that accompanies the protocol definition > (op.cit., p.231) allows for bare control characters to be received. What's the point in having a spec if the code, not the spec, is correct? -- -------------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Roger Ivie | "You got advice for me. Well I'm telling you, ivie@cc.usu.edu | I know nothing and I like it that way" http://cc.usu.edu/~ivie/ | -- Eggplant From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 12:28:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24429 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA02956 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.sgi.com!news-peer-west.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!news-peer.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!masternews.telia.net!feed1.news.luth.se!luth.se!erix.ericsson.se!newstoo.ericsson.se!news From: Sakchai Hanprasertporn Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How could I add more font into K95? Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 10:11:47 +0200 Organization: Ericsson Hewlett Packard Telecom Lines: 5 Message-ID: <356D1C42.DBA12525@ehpt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ksz-106.gbg.ehpt.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8816 I wanna use the thai font from K95. How could I do? -Ball From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 12:53:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01308 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA04024 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 12:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How could I add more font into K95? Date: 29 May 1998 16:48:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6kmosh$4is$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <356D1C42.DBA12525@ehpt.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8817 In article <356D1C42.DBA12525@ehpt.com>, Sakchai Hanprasertporn wrote: : I wanna use the thai font from K95. : How could I do? : You probably can't. As you may know, each writing system (Roman, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Greek, etc) is represented by many different and incompatible character sets. We must put code into Kermit software to translate between them. Thus Thai terminal emulation is probably not a simple matter of loading a Thai font, since the host is likely to use a different encoding than the PC for Thai. In any case, Windows 95 Console applications (such as Kermit 95) are forbidden to allow you the freedom to load new fonts. Don't ask us why, ask Microsoft (Windows NT does not have the same restrictions). There will be more flexibility in this area when the GUI version of Kermit 95 is released. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 13:16:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06035 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05338 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!gulfsouth.verio.net!not-for-mail From: Fdifulco@communique.net (Francis DiFulco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: setting defaults in mykermrc Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 12:56:06 GMT Organization: Verio Gulfsouth Lines: 25 Message-ID: <356eab93.459994@news.communique.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-207-204-90-124.ne.communique.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8818 Trying to figure how to set the download directory.... I have a linux box with a Equonix 8 port to handle uucp transfers and kermit (ver 6) to handle all non-uucp transfers. I plan to let the user log in and the login script will start kermit and then logout when file transfer completes. So I copied the ckermod.ini to mykermrc in the user direcotry and modified it by adding: SET FILE DOWNLOAD DIRECTORY /var/spool/uucppublic SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM or SET PROTOCOL KERMIT when I startup kermit it takes the protocol setting but not the file download directory - it reports back "Not confirmed - /var/spool/uucppublic" command file:/home/test1234/.mykermrc, line 55 I can not find in the kermit how to confirm this command...can anyone give some pointers on this one - unless my late nights are catching up with me. thanks ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frank DiFulco Fdifulco@communique.net ````````````````````````` From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 13:23:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA07223 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:23:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05677 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting defaults in mykermrc Date: 29 May 1998 17:23:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6kmqu7$5jq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <356eab93.459994@news.communique.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8819 In article <356eab93.459994@news.communique.net>, Francis DiFulco wrote: : Trying to figure how to set the download directory.... : : I have a linux box with a Equonix 8 port to handle uucp transfers and : kermit (ver 6) to handle all non-uucp transfers. I plan to let the : user log in and the login script will start kermit and then logout : when file transfer completes. So I copied the ckermod.ini to : mykermrc in the user direcotry and modified it by adding: : SET FILE DOWNLOAD DIRECTORY /var/spool/uucppublic : SET PROTOCOL ZMODEM : or : SET PROTOCOL KERMIT : : when I startup kermit it takes the protocol setting but not the file : download directory - it reports back "Not confirmed - : /var/spool/uucppublic" command file:/home/test1234/.mykermrc, line 55 : : I can not find in the kermit how to confirm this command...can anyone : give some pointers on this one - unless my late nights are catching up : with me. : You need a dash between DOWNLOAD and DIRECTORY: SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY /var/spool/uucppublic/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 13:53:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA14326 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA07241 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 13:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!gulfsouth.verio.net!not-for-mail From: Fdifulco@communique.net (Francis DiFulco) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: setting defaults in mykermrc Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 17:53:31 GMT Organization: Verio Gulfsouth Lines: 23 Message-ID: <356ef5e3.19486865@news.communique.net> References: <356eab93.459994@news.communique.net> <6kmqu7$5jq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: ppp-204.0.255-79.sl.communique.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.1/32.230 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8820 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <356eab93.459994@news.communique.net>, >Francis DiFulco wrote: >: SET FILE DOWNLOAD DIRECTORY /var/spool/uucppublic >: I can not find in the kermit how to confirm this command...can anyone >: give some pointers on this one - unless my late nights are catching up >: with me. >: >You need a dash between DOWNLOAD and DIRECTORY: > > SET FILE DOWNLOAD-DIRECTORY /var/spool/uucppublic/ > >- Frank thanks, that worked......now time to test the zmodem and xmodem transfers.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frank DiFulco Fdifulco@communique.net ````````````````````````` From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 14:08:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA17342 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08127 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 14:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How could I add more font into K95? Date: 29 May 1998 18:08:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-ID: <6kmtia$71l$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <356D1C42.DBA12525@ehpt.com> <6kmosh$4is$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8821 In article <6kmosh$4is$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <356D1C42.DBA12525@ehpt.com>, : Sakchai Hanprasertporn wrote: : : I wanna use the thai font from K95. : : How could I do? : : : You probably can't. As you may know, each writing system (Roman, : Cyrillic, Hebrew, Greek, etc) is represented by many different : and incompatible character sets. We must put code into Kermit : software to translate between them. Thus Thai terminal emulation : is probably not a simple matter of loading a Thai font, since the : host is likely to use a different encoding than the PC for Thai. : : In any case, Windows 95 Console applications (such as Kermit 95) : are forbidden to allow you the freedom to load new fonts. Don't : ask us why, ask Microsoft (Windows NT does not have the same : restrictions). The rules for Windows 95, NT, and OS/2 are each different. Windows 95 allows console windows to use two fonts: . The OEM bitmap font that matches the current Code Page. So if there is an IBM code page for Thai and Microsoft happens to have included it in Windows 95 then you can use Thai via that mechanism. . A single monospaced True Type font as specified in the Registry as key HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\MS-DOS Emulation\ and text string "Font"="" Replace with the name of the true type font you want to use for the console window. If the font is a Thai font it might be used or might not depending on the encoding. Windows NT allows any number of True Type fonts to be installed for use by console windows. The fonts must be monospaced, unicode encoded, and contain all of the characters necessary for each of the OEM code pages installed on the system. OS/2 only uses bitmap fonts which are stored as a resource on a particular DLL. (I forget the name at the moment.) The fonts can be replaced by editing the resources attached to the DLL. : There will be more flexibility in this area when the GUI version : of Kermit 95 is released. However, even when K95 for Win95 and NT allows a greater variety of fonts to be used there will still be significant restrictions and K95 will have to understand the character-sets in order for the proper translation to Unicode to be performed. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 15:29:58 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA04030 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12301 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: rhardin@my-dejanews.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sending a BREAK in Kermit-95 Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 18:37:53 GMT Organization: Planet Hollywood International, Inc. Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6kmva1$ned$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> Reply-To: rhardin@planethollywood.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.104.194.111 X-Article-Creation-Date: Fri May 29 18:37:53 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 3.02; Update a; Windows 95) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8822 I know a Ctrl+\ B sends a break in C-Kermit, but it does not seem to work in Kermit 95, and I can't find another way of doing it directly from terminal mode. When dialing into a SCO Unix box, I need to be able to send a BREAK to make getty on the answering end sync to the correct baud rate. Any clues? -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==----- http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri May 29 15:35:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07124 for ; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA12752 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 29 May 1998 15:35:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sending a BREAK in Kermit-95 Date: 29 May 1998 19:35:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-ID: <6kn2mt$9nq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kmva1$ned$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8823 In article <6kmva1$ned$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, wrote: I know a Ctrl+\ B sends a break in : C-Kermit, but it does not seem to work in Kermit 95, and I can't find : another way of doing it directly from terminal mode. When dialing into a : SCO Unix box, I need to be able to send a BREAK to make getty on the : answering end sync to the correct baud rate. Any clues? : The default escape character in K95 is Ctrl-], not Ctrl-\. So Ctrl-] B sends a Break and so does Alt-b. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 02:26:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA06436 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA14604 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 02:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!paralynx!news.mindlink.net!paralynx-2!paralynx!paralynx-1!News.Vancouver.iSTAR.net!news.istar.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!nevis-view.demon.co.uk!surfer From: Surfer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem Date: Fri, 29 May 1998 16:22:34 +0100 Organization: Nevis View Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896455408 nnrp-06:15957 NO-IDENT nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 59 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8825 On reflection I'm inclined to agree that Whizz60 has a slightly broken Kermit since I can use the one on our ICL Unix machine. With regard to the problem with getting Kermit 95, is it possible to get an evaluation copy? Then at least I could ensure it really did solve the problem (and that the terminal emulations were satisfactory) before parting with my readies - or my employers readies! In article , Fred Smith writes >Surfer (surfer@nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk) wrote: > >: I am using a terminal emulator called Whizz60 (up-to-date version) on my >: PC (NT4, SP3) to conntect to a clients machine, which is running SOLARIS >: with the latest (at least it was a couple of months ago) version of >: Kermit which I compilled on their machine. > >: Whizz60 includes Kermit file transfer. > >: With the SUN boxes (but not ICL for example) I get a problem transfering >: files via kermit in that apparently the buffer doesn't get flushed >: properly at the end of the transfer, so the file at the remote end is >: incomplete. This means I can't send them programs via the fast modem >: (28800) on my PC, and have to use the slow modem (2800!) on one of our >: UNIX boxes. > >: Any clues would be most welcome! > >As I'm sure Frank will tell us, many third-party implementations of >the Kermit protocol are broken/incomplete/obsolete. I think the best way >for you to do Kermit transfers is to have a "real" kermit on both ends. >Kermit 95, a Win32 application which runs on Windoze/95 and NT, provides >a wide set of terminal emulations, so it'll probably server your needs >adequately in that area, while providing a non-broken implementation of >the Kermit file transfer protocol. > >Fred > >: TIA > >: -- >: Surfer! >: http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk >: http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash >: Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. > >-- >---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- > But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: > While we were still sinners, > Christ died for us. >------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------ -- Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 03:25:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA16866 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 03:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA17635 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 03:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cam-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news-in.ConnActivity.com!fcshome!fredex From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith) Subject: Re: accesing modem for users other than root? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: None! Message-ID: References: <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu> Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 01:11:05 GMT Lines: 38 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8826 Ravi Malghan (rmalghan@site.gmu.edu) wrote: : Hi, : I am using the C-Kermit to sent pages over a connected modem. I am able : to send pages as a root. But when I try sending as any other user : I get the following message : === : mgtserver% ./page_ravi 18885005136 1 536 : /var/spool/locks: Permission denied : Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttya : ====== : The permissions for the locks, term/a files are: : drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp uucp 512 May 29 10:28 locks : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/ttya -> term/a : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 47 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/term/a -> ../../de : vices/pci@1f,4000/ebus@1/se@14,400000:a On most Unix systems the tty device to which the modem is attached will be owner/group uucp. In that case, you would set kermit to owner/group uucp AND set the setuid bit: "chmod u+s wermit" HOwever, your tty port is owned by root, so you might think you would then set kermit to owner/group root and make it setuid. But if you try that you'll find that kermit won't work that way! It's a (security) feature! Unless there is some overwhelming reason why the tty MUST be owned by root, I'd change it to uucp then do as suggested above. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ----------------------------- "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." ------------------------------ Matthew 7:21 (niv) ----------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 11:12:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09971 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12425 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem Date: 30 May 1998 15:12:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6kp7ko$d00$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8828 In article , Surfer wrote: : : On reflection I'm inclined to agree that Whizz60 has a slightly broken : Kermit since I can use the one on our ICL Unix machine. : : With regard to the problem with getting Kermit 95, is it possible to get : an evaluation copy? Then at least I could ensure it really did solve : the problem (and that the terminal emulations were satisfactory) before : parting with my readies - or my employers readies! : We are working on an Internet downloadable demo version, but it's not ready yet. We expect to announce it within a few weeks. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 12:07:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21347 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA15369 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-xfer.netaxs.com!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "Den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: Sat, 30 May 1998 09:04:14 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.99.119.183 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8829 I am running windows nt 4.0 on a workstation connected to a tcp/ip based network. Several PC's with a mixture of win95 and nt, are using Kermit95 to connect to an Alpha 1000 machine running vms 7.0 Everyone elses connections under kermit95 seem to work fine but mine disconnects after 20 seconds, no matter what I am doing. I sent someone here an email with a debugg session attached and they indicated it appeared to be some kind of network error message that was causing the disconnect. I have since been testing my network to see if I could find the problem but with no luck. Can someone look at a debbug session and give me more information on what kind of a network error I am getting. Something that may help me track it down. Thanks Dennis dirvine@psln.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 12:25:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24485 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA16245 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 12:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: 30 May 1998 16:25:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6kpbu6$f2g$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8830 In article <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den wrote: : I am running windows nt 4.0 on a workstation connected to a tcp/ip based : network. Several PC's with a mixture of win95 and nt, are using Kermit95 : to connect to an Alpha 1000 machine running vms 7.0 : : Everyone elses connections under kermit95 seem to work fine but mine : disconnects after 20 seconds, no matter what I am doing. : : I sent someone here an email with a debugg session attached and they : indicated it appeared to be some kind of network error message that was : causing the disconnect. I have since been testing my network to see if I : could find the problem but with no luck. : : Can someone look at a debbug session and give me more information on what : kind of a network error I am getting. Something that may help me track it : down. : You can send it to kermit-support@columbia.edu -- that's what we're here for. Please do the following: 1. Start Kermit 95 on your PC. 2. Tell it to "log debug". 3. Tell it to Telnet to your VMS host. 4. Wait until your connection is broken. 5. At the K-95> prompt, type "close debug". 6. Exit from Kermit 95. Then send us the resulting DEBUG.LOG file. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 16:16:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09282 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28346 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!news-ge.switch.ch!news.rediris.es!news.uniovi.es!condmat01.geol.uniovi.es!sobrado From: Igor Sobrado Delgado Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 6.1 Date: 30 May 1998 20:08:03 GMT Organization: Universidad de Oviedo Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6kpov3$v9v$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: condmat01.geol.uniovi.es Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA release 970202] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8831 Hi All, It is the first time I wrote on this newsgroup. I usually work with Kermit on my workstation (a Pentium with Solaris 2.5.1) because configure aspppd is really hard -I don't have all the parameters I need to configure a PPP connection with my server-. I read on the docs for C-Kermit 6.1 (actually a beta version) that Kermit will support software like Navigator and Communicator. This software will be called from Kermit, and Kermit will be called from this software too. What means it? Kermit will support http protocols from 6.1? It will support some like PPP connections??? Thanks in advance for any help, Igor. -- Igor Sobrado Delgado (SysOp at condmat03) Physics undergrad student E-mail: sobrado@condmat2.ciencias.uniovi.es University of Oviedo ISD@dwarf1.quimica.uniovi.es Asturias (SPAIN) System Manager of the Theoretical Physics and Condensed Matter Clusters From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat May 30 16:34:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13831 for ; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA29233 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 30 May 1998 16:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.1 Date: 30 May 1998 20:34:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-ID: <6kpqgt$ltv$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kpov3$v9v$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8832 In article <6kpov3$v9v$1@sci.cpd.uniovi.es>, Igor Sobrado Delgado wrote: : It is the first time I wrote on this newsgroup. I usually work with : Kermit on my workstation (a Pentium with Solaris 2.5.1) because : configure aspppd is really hard -I don't have all the parameters I : need to configure a PPP connection with my server-. : : I read on the docs for C-Kermit 6.1 (actually a beta version) that : Kermit will support software like Navigator and Communicator. This : software will be called from Kermit, and Kermit will be called from : this software too. : : What means it? Kermit will support http protocols from 6.1? It will : support some like PPP connections??? : Not exactly. Some people use Kermit as their PPP dialer, but it does not execute PPP protocol itself. Hints for doing this can be found in: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html#faq-c-exit The Web browser interface is very simple: if you give C-Kermit a BROWSE command, e.g.: browse http://www.kermit-project.org/ it will invoke your browser (usually Lynx) with the given URL. You can configure this with the SET BROWSER command. In versions of C-Kermit that include terminal emulators (such Kermit 95), you can also Ctrl-click on a URL in the terminal window ask your browser to visit the URL. Conversely, you can configure your browser to use C-Kermit as its Telnet client. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 31 07:43:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA05203 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA15591 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 May 1998 07:43:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!woodstock.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!nevis-view.demon.co.uk!surfer From: Surfer Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SOLARIS & Whizz60 kermit problem Date: Sun, 31 May 1998 12:40:07 +0100 Organization: Nevis View Message-ID: References: <6kp7ko$d00$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 896614971 nnrp-03:26370 NO-IDENT nevis-view.demon.co.uk:193.237.3.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: Turnpike (32) Version 3.05 Lines: 24 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8834 In article <6kp7ko$d00$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz writes >In article , >Surfer wrote: >: >: On reflection I'm inclined to agree that Whizz60 has a slightly broken >: Kermit since I can use the one on our ICL Unix machine. >: >: With regard to the problem with getting Kermit 95, is it possible to get >: an evaluation copy? Then at least I could ensure it really did solve >: the problem (and that the terminal emulations were satisfactory) before >: parting with my readies - or my employers readies! >: >We are working on an Internet downloadable demo version, but it's not ready >yet. We expect to announce it within a few weeks. I look forward with great anticipation. Hopefully it will be announced in this NG! Thanks, Frank. -- Surfer! http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk http://www.nevis-vieww.demon.co.uk/flash Hopeful anti-spam: alter double 'w' to single 'w' to view site & send Email. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 31 16:10:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26609 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA12027 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 May 1998 16:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: accesing modem for users other than root? Date: 31 May 1998 19:48:08 GMT Organization: just by myself, connected through Verio New York Lines: 62 Message-ID: <6ksc5o$8s9$1@post.servtech.com> References: <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6e8@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8835 In article <6kmho4$6ic@portal.gmu.edu>, Ravi Malghan wrote: >Hi, >I am using the C-Kermit to sent pages over a connected modem. I am able >to send pages as a root. But when I try sending as any other user >I get the following message > >=== >mgtserver% ./page_ravi 18885005136 1 536 >/var/spool/locks: Permission denied >Sorry, access to lock denied: /dev/ttya I personally would add some code to the script here along the lines of: if success goto next_step write error set line failed\10 exit 1 :next_step ...but choose some meaningful label other than "next_step". >?Sorry, you must SET LINE first >Sorry, you must SET LINE or SET HOST first >C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x > Copyright (C) 1985, 1996, > Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. >Default file-transfer mode is TEXT >Type ? or HELP for help. >[/export/home/rmalghan/pager_softwares/C-Kermit] C-Kermit> > >====== >The permissions for the locks, term/a files are: > >drwxr-xr-x 2 uucp uucp 512 May 29 10:28 locks > >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/ttya -> term/a > >lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 47 Feb 13 19:41 /dev/term/a -> ../../de >vices/pci@1f,4000/ebus@1/se@14,400000:a Kermit has a lot of code in it that deals with temporarily granting permissions to perform certain operations. If your OS supports it (I think Solaris does), your Kermit binary ("wermit"/"kermit") may be built with such support, and if you make the group owner "uucp" and set the "set group ID" bit (with the chmod command), and make the locks directory group-writable, the lock will be able to be acquired. Depending on other things going on with your system, you may be able to make your modems group writable and make their group owner "uucp" too. If that modem line is bidirectional, some login systems (getty and friends) set up the device node (e.g., /dev/ttya) with a given group, mode/permission bits, and so on, so setting it once may not be sufficient. Also, even if that were so, getty/login usually makes the logged in user the owner of the device, and therefore may change the group owner and permissions of the device node. Hope that works for you, and others with a similar setup. -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun May 31 20:46:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA21226 for ; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA26987 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 31 May 1998 20:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: 1 Jun 1998 00:46:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8836 In article <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den wrote: : I sent someone here an email with a debugg session attached and they : indicated it appeared to be some kind of network error message that was : causing the disconnect. I have since been testing my network to see if I : could find the problem but with no luck. : : Can someone look at a debbug session and give me more information on what : kind of a network error I am getting. Something that may help me track it : down. As I reported to you back on April 8th when you sent me the log, the error being reported by the Network is ECONNRESET. This means that the network has received unexpected data. This MUST be treated by the application as a fatal error. You will see this in Netscape as a dialog box appearing stating that an error occured on the connection but then the rest of the page continues to load. This is because HTTP uses a separate connection for each of the HTML and other linked files. This error is most likely caused by two machines with the same IP address or a cache using an invalid mapping between IP address and Ethernet hardware ID. This can also be caused by by errors in the TCP/IP stack. The SP3 TCP/IP is buggy. As noted in the K95 BUGS.TXT file if you install SP3 you MUST also install the Out of Band (OOB) data fix available as a hotfix from Microsoft. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 1 10:19:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15578 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27944 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3572C5AA.EDB12434@inxpress.net> Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 09:15:55 -0600 From: Bob Hartung Reply-To: bhartung@inxpress.net Organization: Wisco Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for DOS Lockup Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: d10-43.inxpress.net Lines: 38 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!204.120.4.15!204.120.4.15!d10-43.inxpress.net Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8838 HELP! I am trying to use Kermit version 3 with the MSK315 patch on DOS PC's on a Novell 4.11 ethernet LAN running Novell's VLM 1.21 clients. We also use Novell's DHCP to allocate addresses. We want to use Kermit to telnet to an RS/6000 AIX unix host on the same LAN. We have been using Novell's LAN WorkGroup for DOS but we need to retire it. I have been getting numerous and repeated complaints of lockups on several of the PC's using Kermit. By lockup, my users actually mean that they experience both PC lockup (system won't respond to any input and needs rebooting) to loosing the connection to the RS/6000 and ending up at the "Kermit" prompt. I am relying on Kermit to provide TCP/IP connectivity via the Novell ODI driver. Is there some kind of setting in either the MSCUSTOM.INI or MSKERMIT.INI files that need to be set in order to maintain a connection to a local host? TIA -- Bob Hartung c\o Wisco Industries, Inc. P. O. Box 10 736 Janesville St. Oregon, WI 53575 Phone: (608) 835-3106 x215 Fax: (608) 835-9644 email: bhartung@inxpress.net From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 1 10:26:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16834 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28284 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!surfnet.nl!news-ge.switch.ch!news-zh.switch.ch!ubnnews.unisource.ch!news.bluewin.ch!not-for-mail From: "Thomas F. Howald" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tandem Login Date: Mon, 01 Jun 1998 16:08:04 +0200 Organization: Garage Otto Howald AG, Solothurn Switzerland Lines: 30 Message-ID: <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch> Reply-To: howag@bluewin.ch NNTP-Posting-Host: sol14pub83.bluewin.ch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8839 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="untitled.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="untitled.txt" Hi can anybody help me with the login to a Tandem Computer? With our PC's it's no Problem but I'm trying to teach the MicroVax, running VMS 4.7 with C-Kermit 5A(190) to login. When I dial with the Vax-Kermit I get to the Tandem over the telepac line but only get "BA" and after connecting with "set terminal debug on" I see "^D^@^AB^C" and I get no echos from my Input. Every few seconds I get the letters "BA". Thanks for any clues. Thomas F. Howald --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6-- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 1 10:35:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20574 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA28834 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 10:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem Login Date: 1 Jun 1998 14:35:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6kue7m$qkd$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8840 In article <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch>, Thomas F. Howald wrote: : can anybody help me with the login to a Tandem Computer? With our : PC's it's no Problem but I'm trying to teach the MicroVax, running : VMS 4.7 with C-Kermit 5A(190) to login. When I dial with the Vax-Kermit : I get to the Tandem over the telepac line but only get "BA" and after : connecting with "set terminal debug on" I see "^D^@^AB^C" and I get no : echos from my Input. Every few seconds I get the letters "BA". : It sounds like a speed mismatch. Try different speeds until you see something legible. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 1 16:16:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14282 for ; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17696 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 1 Jun 1998 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!infeed.is.co.za!feeder.is.co.za!iafrica.com!not-for-mail From: el@linux.lisse.na (Dr Eberhard W Lisse) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem Login Date: 1 Jun 1998 20:10:54 GMT Organization: UUNET Internet Africa Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6kv1se$p9e$1@news01.iafrica.com> References: <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 196.31.228.54 X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #116 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8841 "Thomas F. Howald" writes: > can anybody help me with the login to a Tandem Computer? With our > PC's it's no Problem but I'm trying to teach the MicroVax, running > VMS 4.7 with C-Kermit 5A(190) to login. When I dial with the > Vax-Kermit I get to the Tandem over the telepac line but only get > "BA" and after connecting with "set terminal debug on" I see > "^D^@^AB^C" and I get no echos from my Input. Every few seconds I > get the letters "BA". Play with the SET PARITY settings? el -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\ / Swakopmund State Hospital * | Resident Medical Officer Private Bag 5004 \ / +264 81 124 6733 (cell) 64 461005(h) 461004(f) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108) Vice-Chairman, Board of Trustees, Namibian Internet Development Foundation, -- Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse\ / Swakopmund State Hospital * | Resident Medical Officer Private Bag 5004 \ / +264 81 124 6733 (cell) 64 461005(h) 461004(f) Swakopmund, Namibia ;____/ Domain Coordinator for NA-DOM (el108) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 2 05:53:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA07770 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA00667 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 2 Jun 1998 05:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news.idt.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!209.90.0.8!alpha.sky.net!newshub.cts.com!newshub.nosc.mil!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS Lockup Problems Message-ID: Date: 1 Jun 98 21:45:27 MDT References: <3572C5AA.EDB12434@inxpress.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8842 In article <3572C5AA.EDB12434@inxpress.net>, Bob Hartung writes: > HELP! > > I am trying to use Kermit version 3 with the MSK315 patch on DOS PC's on > a Novell 4.11 ethernet LAN running Novell's VLM 1.21 clients. We also > use Novell's DHCP to allocate addresses. > > We want to use Kermit to telnet to an RS/6000 AIX unix host on the same > LAN. We have been using Novell's LAN WorkGroup for DOS but we need to > retire it. > > I have been getting numerous and repeated complaints of lockups on > several of the PC's using Kermit. By lockup, my users actually mean that > they experience both PC lockup (system won't respond to any input and > needs rebooting) to loosing the connection to the RS/6000 and ending up > at the "Kermit" prompt. > > I am relying on Kermit to provide TCP/IP connectivity via the Novell ODI > driver. Is there some kind of setting in either the MSCUSTOM.INI or > MSKERMIT.INI files that need to be set in order to maintain a connection > to a local host? ---------- I can say confidently, it's not Kermit. That leaves just about everything else to consider, oh joy. Start with the lan adapter, and its settings. If it is a "parallel tasking" device then please use one that isn't; they have designed-in difficulties. Look at your lan to see if broadcast traffic is well out of control, and if there are stations using the IP address of a Kermit client. And at switches, which if in full duplex mode will drop frames like crazy in the fast to slow direction. And if you are using shim ODIPKT then remove it because MSK is a native ODI speaker. Interrupt (IRQ) conflicts are fatal, so eliminate that possibility too. TSRs that hog the machine are also fatal, the first and most infamous being plain old DOS PRINT; they don't release the system so that other components can respond to real time events. Finally the short list includes not running another TCP/IP stack on the machine at the same time; that's fratracide. We hope you are not running MSK in a Windows DOS box without shims ODIPKT plus WINPKT. That's a mandatory combination for the DOS box environment. VLM 1.21 is normally just fine. There can be memory management troubles, of course, and flakey memory itself, but those normally afflict the IPX side of the house and not Kermit's TCP/IP (the ODI drivers are not loaded above 1MB, but VLMs are). Beyond this standard advice we would need more detail about the systems, after you do fine tooth combing of them. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 11:06:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28695 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22213 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!howland.erols.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!not-for-mail From: "Heath D. Marr" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: K95 Transposing Keystrokes Date: 3 Jun 1998 15:03:28 GMT Organization: SWT Health Center Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 147.26.105.204 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8843 Several of my users are reporting that numbers/letters are being transposed while using Kermit95 (1.16) for terminal emulation. I was skeptical and tried it out. Sure enough - the typed characters are scrambled when typed. It is intermittent and seems to occur only when typing at a relatively quick rate. It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what will solve the problem. I am 99% certain its not hardware. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-Heath Marr From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 11:33:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05152 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:33:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA23736 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 11:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Transposing Keystrokes Date: 3 Jun 1998 15:33:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-ID: <6l3qcb$inc$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8844 In article <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu>, Heath D. Marr wrote: : Several of my users are reporting that numbers/letters are being transposed : while using Kermit95 (1.16) for terminal emulation. I was skeptical and : tried it out. Sure enough - the typed characters are scrambled when typed. : It is intermittent and seems to occur only when typing at a relatively : quick rate. It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what will solve the : problem. I am 99% certain its not hardware. : : Any help would be greatly appreciated. : >From your BUGS.TXT file: 238. Keystrokes might be transmitted out of order in Windows 95 (M) In an interrupt driven system such as Windows 95, Windows NT, UNIX, etc, the keyboard driver is called to handle each event as it occurs. When the system is under heavy load, the events cannot be processed in real time and are placed on an event queue. In Windows 95, CONAGENT.EXE has a bug that causes the event queue to be processed in last-in-first-out rather than the expected first-in-first-out order. Thus fast typists might occasionally see their keystrokes transmitted in reverse order. And (you guessed it) this does not happen in Windows NT or OS/2. (end quote) - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 12:26:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16557 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA26588 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.indiana.edu!ais.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@03.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Transposing Keystrokes Date: 3 Jun 1998 16:17:17 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 19 Message-ID: <6l3sud$93l$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8845 Heath D. Marr (hm04@a1.swt.edu) wrote: : Several of my users are reporting that numbers/letters are being transposed : while using Kermit95 (1.16) for terminal emulation. I was skeptical and : tried it out. Sure enough - the typed characters are scrambled when typed. : It is intermittent and seems to occur only when typing at a relatively : quick rate. It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what will solve the : problem. I am 99% certain its not hardware. I have the same problem, and have had with all versions of K95. This occurs on serial connections as well as PPP connections. The transposed characters are not necessarily just a one-for-one swap; I do that with my own left to right coordination when pecking rapidly. I have seen blocks of three characters displaced by a few spaces, possibly three. The problem has stayed with me through an upgrade from 75MHz to 133MHz. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 12:35:18 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA20211 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27139 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Transposing Keystrokes Date: 3 Jun 1998 16:35:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-ID: <6l3tvv$kje$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu> <6l3sud$93l$1@samba.rahul.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8846 In article <6l3sud$93l$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Heath D. Marr (hm04@a1.swt.edu) wrote: : : Several of my users are reporting that numbers/letters are being transposed : : while using Kermit95 (1.16) for terminal emulation. I was skeptical and : : tried it out. Sure enough - the typed characters are scrambled when typed. : : It is intermittent and seems to occur only when typing at a relatively : : quick rate. It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what will solve the : : problem. I am 99% certain its not hardware. : : I have the same problem, and have had with all versions of K95. : This occurs on serial connections as well as PPP connections. : The transposed characters are not necessarily just a one-for-one swap; I do : that with my own left to right coordination when pecking rapidly. I have : seen blocks of three characters displaced by a few spaces, possibly three. : The problem has stayed with me through an upgrade from 75MHz to 133MHz. : The plain-text interface to Windows 95 and NT, called "Console mode", is deprecated by Microsoft, especially in Windows 95. It has numerous unreasonable restrictions and a shameful number of bugs, many of them show stoppers. Read through the Kermit 95 BUGS.TXT file for a sampling. Plain text, lest we forget, is the one and only user interface that is open and portable among all platforms, and that stands the test of time as other self-proclaimed "standards" come and go with astounding speed. Microsoft customers who would like the plain text interface supported adequately should make their feelings known to Microsoft (good luck). - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 12:41:32 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA21376 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA27405 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 12:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: Wed, 3 Jun 1998 09:18:03 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 47 Message-ID: <6l3tjp$621$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: quincy73.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8847 Thanks very much. I have looked for network errors, ie duplicate ips etc and could not find anything. No other programs are giving me any network problems at all either. I do have SP3 installed. Maybe I need the OOB hotfix. I will try that. Thanks for the tip. Dennis Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den wrote: >: I sent someone here an email with a debugg session attached and they >: indicated it appeared to be some kind of network error message that was >: causing the disconnect. I have since been testing my network to see if I >: could find the problem but with no luck. >: >: Can someone look at a debbug session and give me more information on what >: kind of a network error I am getting. Something that may help me track it >: down. > >As I reported to you back on April 8th when you sent me the log, the >error being reported by the Network is ECONNRESET. This means that >the network has received unexpected data. This MUST be treated by the >application as a fatal error. You will see this in Netscape as a dialog >box appearing stating that an error occured on the connection but then >the rest of the page continues to load. This is because HTTP uses a >separate connection for each of the HTML and other linked files. > >This error is most likely caused by two machines with the same IP >address or a cache using an invalid mapping between IP address >and Ethernet hardware ID. This can also be caused by by errors in the >TCP/IP stack. The SP3 TCP/IP is buggy. As noted in the K95 BUGS.TXT file >if you install SP3 you MUST also install the Out of Band (OOB) data fix >available as a hotfix from Microsoft. > > > > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 13:02:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA25813 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA28442 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 Transposing Keystrokes Date: 3 Jun 1998 17:02:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-ID: <6l3vjc$lbr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd8f00$b0c1ba20$cc691a93@shc204.health.swt.edu> <6l3sud$93l$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: kermit-support@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8848 In article <6l3sud$93l$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: : Heath D. Marr (hm04@a1.swt.edu) wrote: : : Several of my users are reporting that numbers/letters are being transposed : : while using Kermit95 (1.16) for terminal emulation. I was skeptical and : : tried it out. Sure enough - the typed characters are scrambled when typed. : : It is intermittent and seems to occur only when typing at a relatively : : quick rate. It's very frustrating and I'm not sure what will solve the : : problem. I am 99% certain its not hardware. : : I have the same problem, and have had with all versions of K95. : This occurs on serial connections as well as PPP connections. : The transposed characters are not necessarily just a one-for-one swap; I do : that with my own left to right coordination when pecking rapidly. I have : seen blocks of three characters displaced by a few spaces, possibly three. : The problem has stayed with me through an upgrade from 75MHz to 133MHz. : Lets take this off the newsgroup and get it into e-mail where the round-trip time is shorter. This is beginning to sound like it might be different then the bug we documented in Windows 95. Just as a review, the documented bug occurs when Windows 95 is being blocked and CONAGENT in unable to process the key events which are being delivered to it by the Window in which it is executing. The Window stores the key events in a queue but treats it LIFO (as a stack) instead of FIFO. When CONAGENT attempts to process the data the queued events are received in the wrong order. Therefore, it is possible for the user to type abcdefghij but have k95 receive the characters as abcgfedhij depending upon when Windows 95 became blocked. The blocking behavior is due it its 16-bit DOS/Win 3.x heritage and is very well documented in Andrew Schulman's "Unauthorized Windows 95". Windows 95 still has a large amount of 16-bit code which is not safe to be multitasked. Whenever this code is accessed all multitasking must be blocked. This causes delays in the delivery of keyboard events. This blocking may be caused by: . the use of a 16-bit Windows application; . the creation or deletion of a process . the execution of a 16-bit device driver (networking, file i/o, memory management, ...) If the problem you are seeing is not exactly as it is described above please send e-mail to kermit-support@columbia.edu so that we can track it down further. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 3 17:44:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA00228 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA13649 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 3 Jun 1998 17:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp2.dejanews.com!nnrp1.dejanews.com!not-for-mail From: DOUGM@DOR.WA.GOV Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tandem Login Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 21:34:43 GMT Organization: Deja News - The Leader in Internet Discussion Lines: 45 Message-ID: <6l4fhj$goa$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> References: <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch> NNTP-Posting-Host: 192.209.32.225 X-Article-Creation-Date: Wed Jun 03 21:34:43 1998 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/3.03C-P1 (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8849 I've not worked with commicating between a VAX and the Tandem, but I have seen similar results when attempting to dial-in to a Tandem computer, BA appearing at the top left of the screen. The source of my problem was in my connectors, the send and receive were crossed. The problem abated after creating a new connector. This may not be the source of your problem, but it's something worth checking out. -Doug McClellan In article <3572B5C4.61D1E9E@bluewin.ch>, howag@bluewin.ch wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="untitled.txt" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline; filename="untitled.txt" > > Hi > can anybody help me with the login to a Tandem Computer? With our > PC's it's no Problem but I'm trying to teach the MicroVax, running > VMS 4.7 with C-Kermit 5A(190) to login. When I dial with the Vax-Kermit > I get to the Tandem over the telepac line but only get "BA" and after > connecting with "set terminal debug on" I see "^D^@^AB^C" and I get no > echos from my Input. Every few seconds I get the letters "BA". > > Thanks for any clues. > Thomas F. Howald > > --------------79EF0ADA3E78B915BA5CBBD6-- > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 8 18:31:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20095 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA18831 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-raspail.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.medianet.ie!not-for-mail From: "John Dillon" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: false host - vt100 development Date: Mon, 8 Jun 1998 21:27:28 +0100 Organization: Club Internet Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6lhoho$ihj$1@mercury.medianet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: axiom.clubi.ie X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8852 This probably is something simple that i can't figure out. But i'll ask anyway. I am developing low level screen routines on a unix/vt100 (through kermit) system at work. At home I want to try out some things on my Windows95 based PC. I want to c:\> type ascreen.txt > somedevice but I then want Kermit to read this file "ascreen.txt" and display it Is this posssible in win 95? Is there a (small)unix emulator for win95? Or should I really be looking at installing UNIX? jfd From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 8 18:52:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA24468 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA20037 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 8 Jun 1998 18:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: false host - vt100 development Date: 8 Jun 1998 22:52:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6lhpvb$n9q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6lhoho$ihj$1@mercury.medianet.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8853 In article <6lhoho$ihj$1@mercury.medianet.ie>, John Dillon wrote: : This probably is something simple that i can't figure out. But i'll ask : anyway. : : I am developing low level screen routines on a unix/vt100 (through kermit) : system : at work. At home I want to try out some things on my Windows95 based PC. : : I want to c:\> type ascreen.txt > somedevice but I then want Kermit to : read this file : "ascreen.txt" and display it : : Is this posssible in win 95? : It's possible with Kermit 95: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html The method is not immediately obvious, but it's there: 1. Make sure you don't already have an active connection. 2. Give the following commands to Kermit 95: SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 ; (or other desired type) SET NETWORK TYPE FILE SET HOST VIEW 3. Use Page Up / Down to scroll thru the display. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 9 01:01:07 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA17234 for ; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA07923 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 9 Jun 1998 01:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: false host - vt100 development Date: 9 Jun 1998 05:01:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Message-ID: <6lifie$4f3$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6lhoho$ihj$1@mercury.medianet.ie> <6lhpvb$n9q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8855 In article <6lhpvb$n9q$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : It's possible with Kermit 95: : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : : The method is not immediately obvious, but it's there: : : 1. Make sure you don't already have an active connection. : 2. Give the following commands to Kermit 95: : : SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 ; (or other desired type) : SET NETWORK TYPE FILE : SET HOST : VIEW : : 3. Use Page Up / Down to scroll thru the display. Even better is to: SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 SET INPUT PACING 50 SET NETWORK TYPE FILE SET HOST CONNECT This will let you watch the playback. Adjust the packing time to speed up or slow down the display speed. This can be done to play back any file captured with LOG SESSION. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 04:20:34 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA25163 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA03045 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 04:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no> Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 09:51:13 +0200 From: Morten Knudsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Scripts: INPUT timed out Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.18.252.211 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.18.252.211 Lines: 23 X-Complaints-To: abuse@i.telia.no Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!masternews.telia.net!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o202.telia.com!195.18.252.211 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8856 I'm just starting to learn kermit script programming. My problem is that my input commands are all timing out. Also if I type interactivly output AT\13 input 10 OK the input command fails. This .kermrc set line /dev/modem set speed 19200 set modem usrobotics set dial prefix 0 set dial method tone set input timeout-action quit output AT\13 input 3 OK output AT\13 input 3 OK fails on the second input line. Any hints? Best regards, Morten Knudsen. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 05:28:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA28045 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA06758 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 05:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in2.uu.net!news.nts-online.net!not-for-mail From: "Michael S.Sanders" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit faq in txt Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 03:46:49 -0500 Organization: NTS Communications, Inc. Lines: 12 Message-ID: <357E47F9.5876@nts-online.net> Reply-To: mjs@nts-online.net NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-pmp-03.nts-online.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8857 Hi, Just wondering if some could mail me a link to the kermit faq in form. long live kermit. Cheers, Mike -- __/___ _ ____ _\ / /_// / / //_/mjs@nts-online.net ________________//////////////nascar From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 06:35:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA12776 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA00063 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 06:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!portc01.blue.aol.com!audrey03.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: lhlhlh01@aol.com (Lhlhlh01) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit & Windows 95 Lines: 6 Message-ID: <1998061010345100.GAA27471@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ladder03.news.aol.com X-Admin: news@aol.com Date: 10 Jun 1998 10:34:51 GMT Organization: AOL, http://www.aol.co.uk Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8858 Does anybody know how to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (or later) under Windows 95, using networking, we do not want to use a serial port or Kermit 95. Laurence Hart Definitive Computing Ltd. UK. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 10:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00229 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12065 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts: INPUT timed out Date: 10 Jun 1998 14:23:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-ID: <6lm4sa$p24$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8859 In article <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no>, Morten Knudsen wrote: : I'm just starting to learn kermit script programming. My problem is : that my input commands are all timing out. Also if I type interactivly : : output AT\13 : input 10 OK : : the input command fails. This .kermrc : : set line /dev/modem : set speed 19200 : set modem usrobotics : set dial prefix 0 : set dial method tone : set input timeout-action quit : output AT\13 : input 3 OK : output AT\13 : input 3 OK : : fails on the second input line. Any hints? : Most likely, it is behaving as it should -- i.e. not seeing the second "OK" within 3 seconds. I agree you *should* see it within 3 seconds, but if the INPUT command times out, it means the expected text did not arrive within the given interval. Another possibility is confusion with the communications port driver. I notice you are using "/dev/modem", which probably means Linux? And /dev/modem is what? /dev/cua0? /dev/ttyS0? The different drivers behave differently. Unfortunately, this started happening (or was discovered) after C-Kermit 6.0 was released. In that case, you'll have better luck with C-Kermit 6.1: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 10:24:14 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00501 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA12081 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 10:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit faq in txt Date: 10 Jun 1998 14:24:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6lm4ub$p2u$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <357E47F9.5876@nts-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8860 In article <357E47F9.5876@nts-online.net>, Michael S.Sanders wrote: : : Just wondering if some could mail me a link to the kermit faq in : form. : ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/faq.txt - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 10 21:31:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA11671 for ; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA16933 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!newsfeed.wli.net!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!news.ncal.verio.com!not-for-mail From: "den" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:18:34 -0700 Organization: Verio Northern California's Usenet News Service Lines: 56 Message-ID: <6lnbu7$kbc$1@news.ncal.verio.com> References: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6l3tjp$621$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: quincy72.psln.com X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8861 Well I tried the OOB hotfix and it did not do the trick. So I still can't connect for more than 20 seconds. Dennis >Thanks very much. I have looked for network errors, ie duplicate ips etc >and could not find anything. No other programs are giving me any network >problems at all either. > >I do have SP3 installed. Maybe I need the OOB hotfix. I will try that. >Thanks for the tip. > >Dennis > >Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >>In article <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, Den >wrote: >>: I sent someone here an email with a debugg session attached and they >>: indicated it appeared to be some kind of network error message that was >>: causing the disconnect. I have since been testing my network to see if I >>: could find the problem but with no luck. >>: >>: Can someone look at a debbug session and give me more information on what >>: kind of a network error I am getting. Something that may help me track >it >>: down. >> >>As I reported to you back on April 8th when you sent me the log, the >>error being reported by the Network is ECONNRESET. This means that >>the network has received unexpected data. This MUST be treated by the >>application as a fatal error. You will see this in Netscape as a dialog >>box appearing stating that an error occured on the connection but then >>the rest of the page continues to load. This is because HTTP uses a >>separate connection for each of the HTML and other linked files. >> >>This error is most likely caused by two machines with the same IP >>address or a cache using an invalid mapping between IP address >>and Ethernet hardware ID. This can also be caused by by errors in the >>TCP/IP stack. The SP3 TCP/IP is buggy. As noted in the K95 BUGS.TXT file >>if you install SP3 you MUST also install the Out of Band (OOB) data fix >>available as a hotfix from Microsoft. >> >> >> >> >> Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 >> The Kermit Project * Columbia University >> 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 >> http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * >kermit-support@kermit-project.org > > From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 11 10:23:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA25448 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27036 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 10:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit disconnects after 20 secs Date: 11 Jun 1998 14:23:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-ID: <6lop8b$9np$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6kpar1$rhi$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6kstle$afp$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6l3tjp$621$1@news.ncal.verio.com> <6lnbu7$kbc$1@news.ncal.verio.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8862 In article <6lnbu7$kbc$1@news.ncal.verio.com>, den wrote: : Well I tried the OOB hotfix and it did not do the trick. So I still can't : connect for more than 20 seconds. : Then, as noted in previous correspondence: : >>As I reported to you back on April 8th when you sent me the log, the : >>error being reported by the Network is ECONNRESET. This means that : >>the network has received unexpected data. This MUST be treated by the : >>application as a fatal error. You will see this in Netscape as a dialog : >>box appearing stating that an error occured on the connection but then : >>the rest of the page continues to load. This is because HTTP uses a : >>separate connection for each of the HTML and other linked files. : >> : >>This error is most likely caused by two machines with the same IP : >>address or a cache using an invalid mapping between IP address : >>and Ethernet hardware ID. : Can you use other TCP/IP applications on the same PC? If not, then your network configuration (or the network itself) needs fixing. If so, then can you use K95 to make Telnet connections to other hosts without having the same problem? Can you use a *different* Telnet client to make a connection to the *same* host without the same problem? In any case, this is a problem with your particular setup, not a general problem, so please follow up by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 11 21:08:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06679 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA01050 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 21:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!fireeater.panix.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!Supernews73!supernews.com!Supernews69!not-for-mail From: jthompso@iname.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Newbie question about Telnet(tcp/ip) using C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Date: 11 Jun 1998 20:23:09 GMT Organization: The World's Usenet -- http://www.Supernews.com Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-ID: <6lpebd$ids$2@supernews.com> Reply-To: jthompso@iname.com NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.30.201.18 X-Trace: 897596589 YP9B8MBZDC912C61EC usenet76.supernews.com X-Complaints-To: newsabuse@supernews.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8864 I am using C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 and telneting to online BBS's, like Norloffs OS/2 BBS (bbs.os2bbs.com) and I connect just fine but I can't seem to get file transfers to work using the kermit protocol or any other protocol. Is this something that C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 can accomplish? Thanks in advance, Junior Thompson From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 11 22:47:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA26398 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06462 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 11 Jun 1998 22:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Newbie question about Telnet(tcp/ip) using C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 Date: 12 Jun 1998 02:47:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6lq4ri$3kj$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6lpebd$ids$2@supernews.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8865 In article <6lpebd$ids$2@supernews.com>, wrote: : I am using C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 and telneting to online BBS's, like Norloffs OS/2 BBS : (bbs.os2bbs.com) and I connect just fine but I can't seem to get file transfers to work using : the kermit protocol or any other protocol. Is this something that C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 : can accomplish? : : Thanks in advance, : : Junior Thompson Kermit 95 is the successor to C-Kermit for OS/2. It does indeed support file transfers using both Kermit and X,Y, or Zmodem protocols. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 08:48:41 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA08661 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25661 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 08:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!oleane!jussieu.fr!u-psud.fr!not-for-mail From: Michel Caillat Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tektronix emulation Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:40:02 +0200 Organization: Universite Paris-Sud, France. Lines: 16 Message-ID: <358121A2.5DB90366@obspm.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: pc-sio-3.obspm.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en] (WinNT; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8866 Hello Kermit gurus, I am looking for a terminal emulation program offering VT100 (or VTxx) and Tektronix (4010 or 40xx) emulation capabilities to run on my PC under Windows NT connected via TCP/IP to some servers running under Unix or VMS. Can you tell me if kermit offers this kind of services ? Thank you in advance, Michel Caillat chef@obspm.fr From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:17:50 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20840 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00385 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation Date: 12 Jun 1998 14:17:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6lrdac$fj4$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <358121A2.5DB90366@obspm.fr> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8867 In article <358121A2.5DB90366@obspm.fr>, Michel Caillat wrote: : I am looking for a terminal emulation program offering VT100 (or VTxx) and : Tektronix (4010 or 40xx) emulation capabilities to run on my PC under : Windows NT connected via TCP/IP to some servers running under Unix or : VMS. Can you tell me if kermit offers this kind of services ? : The DOS version of Kermit has VT100 and Tek 4014, but is not a native Windows program, and will not be able to access any Windows-specific resources such as long filenames, Winsock, etc: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html Kermit 95 is a native 32-bit Windows program, and has numerous text terminal emulations, including VT100, but not Tektronix: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html We'll be adding Tektronix emulation to it soon. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:19:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21096 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00456 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3581331C.40C21962@eurospill.no> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 15:54:36 +0200 From: Morten Knudsen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.29 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts: INPUT timed out References: <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no> <6lm4sa$p24$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.18.252.211 X-NNTP-Posting-Host: 195.18.252.211 Lines: 50 X-Complaints-To: abuse@i.telia.no Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed.inet.tele.dk!bofh.vszbr.cz!uninett.no!newsfeed50.telia.com!d2o202.telia.com!195.18.252.211 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8868 Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no>, > Morten Knudsen wrote: > : I'm just starting to learn kermit script programming. My problem is > : that my input commands are all timing out. Also if I type interactivly > : > : output AT\13 > : input 10 OK > : > : the input command fails. This .kermrc > : > : set line /dev/modem > : set speed 19200 > : set modem usrobotics > : set dial prefix 0 > : set dial method tone > : set input timeout-action quit > : output AT\13 > : input 3 OK > : output AT\13 > : input 3 OK > : > : fails on the second input line. Any hints? > : > Most likely, it is behaving as it should -- i.e. not seeing the second > "OK" within 3 seconds. I agree you *should* see it within 3 seconds, but > if the INPUT command times out, it means the expected text did not arrive > within the given interval. > > Another possibility is confusion with the communications port driver. I > notice you are using "/dev/modem", which probably means Linux? And /dev/modem > is what? /dev/cua0? /dev/ttyS0? The different drivers behave differently. > Unfortunately, this started happening (or was discovered) after C-Kermit 6.0 > was released. In that case, you'll have better luck with C-Kermit 6.1: > I managed to solve the problem. I had to do: input 3 OK\13\10 for some reason. But just for the AT commands. Apart from that all is normal. This is a USRobotics Courier on Digital Unix. /dev/modem is just a link. I haven't tried C-Kermit 6.1 yet. BTW, do anybody know how to get other speeds than 9600 and 19200 (e.g. 14400, 28800, 33600)? > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html > > - Frank Morten. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:20:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA21383 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00539 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!atl-news-feed1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!axe.netdoor.com!not-for-mail From: eegruynu@aol.com Subject: SOFTWARE TRAINING ON THE NET! Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 5 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 14:19:59 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: port32.mer.netdoor.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 1998 09:19:59 CDT Organization: Internet Doorway, Inc. -- http://www.netdoor.com/ Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8869 Posted By An Unregistered Version Of Newsgroup AutoPoster PRO! --- To see our animated tour, Copy & Paste this URL: http://206.27.190.23/programs/21stCentury/Default.htm From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:28:48 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22603 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA00974 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts: INPUT timed out Date: 12 Jun 1998 14:28:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-ID: <6lrduu$fsg$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no> <6lm4sa$p24$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3581331C.40C21962@eurospill.no> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8870 In article <3581331C.40C21962@eurospill.no>, Morten Knudsen wrote: : BTW, do anybody know how to get other speeds than 9600 and 19200 : (e.g. 14400, 28800, 33600)? : Those are not serial-port speeds, they are modem-to-modem modulation speeds. Here is how to find out what speeds are supported by your operating system: cd /usr/include grep B9600 *.h */*.h Note which file is turned up by this and then read the list of speeds in it. This should be exactly the same as the list of speeds supported by C-Kermit 6.1 on the same platform, which you can see by typing: set speed ? at the C-Kermit> prompt. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:48:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28009 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02084 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!frankfurt.de.uu.net!main.de.uu.net!Ireland.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Liam Cross" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Networking Printing From Kermit Date: 12 Jun 1998 14:47:35 GMT Organization: EUnet Ireland customer Lines: 10 Message-ID: <01bd9611$18a63c80$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.120.11.96 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8871 We are currently using Kermit for VT100 terminal emulation. I would like to be able to print reports from kermit to a network printer in condensed (compressed) format. The printer is a HP LaserJer 4000. I know it's possible to setup PCL commands in the printer to manage this, but I would rather have some initialization string in the ini file. Anyone got any ideas. Thanks! From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 10:59:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29631 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02599 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 10:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Networking Printing From Kermit Date: 12 Jun 1998 14:59:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6lrfnm$gq9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd9611$18a63c80$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8872 In article <01bd9611$18a63c80$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc>, Liam Cross wrote: : We are currently using Kermit for VT100 terminal emulation. : I would like to be able to print reports from kermit to a network printer : in condensed (compressed) format. The printer is a HP LaserJer 4000. I know : it's possible to setup PCL commands in the printer to manage this, but I : would rather have some initialization string in the ini file. : The answer would depend on which Kermit program you are using, and which version of it, on which kind of computer running which operating system and version. In recent versions of Kermit 95 (for Windows 95, NT, and OS/2) you can specify that a given file is to be sent ahead of any print job. This file can contain anything you want: a "burst" (cover) page to identify the job as yours, or printer-specific commands (e.g. PCL, PostScript) to configure the printer in some desired way, e.g. compressed or landscape format, etc. You can also specify a string to be sent to the printer at the end of a job, e.g. to take it out of compressed mode or whatever. More info about Kermit 95 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 11:14:55 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA02684 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03430 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:14:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!fireeater.panix.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!EU.net!Ireland.EU.net!not-for-mail From: "Liam Cross" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Networking Printing From Kermit Date: 12 Jun 1998 15:14:19 GMT Organization: EUnet Ireland customer Lines: 14 Message-ID: <01bd9614$d9d6fea0$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> References: <01bd9611$18a63c80$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> <6lrfnm$gq9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.120.11.96 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8873 > : > The answer would depend on which Kermit program you are using, and which > version of it, on which kind of computer running which operating system > and version. > It's Kermit Version 3.01 running on Windows 95 PC's. Connection to the host is made via a serial cable. The network operating system is Windows NT 4. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 12 11:50:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10720 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA05329 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 12 Jun 1998 11:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Networking Printing From Kermit Date: 12 Jun 1998 15:50:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6lrioe$igk$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd9611$18a63c80$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> <6lrfnm$gq9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <01bd9614$d9d6fea0$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8874 In article <01bd9614$d9d6fea0$1801a8c0@liam-s-pc>, Liam Cross wrote: : > The answer would depend on which Kermit program you are using, and which : > version of it, on which kind of computer running which operating system : > and version. : : It's Kermit Version 3.01 running on Windows 95 PC's. Connection to the host : is made via a serial cable. The network operating system is Windows NT 4. : MS-DOS Kermit does not have the printer configuration features that Kermit 95 does. If you need to do anything special with printers, such as configure them for compressed printing, and you can't do this in the character stream sent by the host, then I recommend you install Kermit 95 and use it instead of MS-DOS Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 13 06:47:27 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA15687 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03173 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 13 Jun 1998 06:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!btnet-peer!btnet!news-lond.gip.net!news-stkh.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed1.funet.fi!128.214.205.17.MISMATCH!news.helsinki.fi!not-for-mail From: Tomas Linden Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tektronix emulation Date: 13 Jun 1998 09:38:56 GMT Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6lthbg$kg$1@oravannahka.Helsinki.FI> References: <358121A2.5DB90366@obspm.fr> Reply-To: Address@MySig.com NNTP-Posting-Host: vesuri.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 unoff BETA 970613; alpha OSF1 V4.0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8876 Michel Caillat wrote: : Hello Kermit gurus, : I am looking for a terminal emulation program offering VT100 (or VTxx) : and : Tektronix (4010 or 40xx) emulation capabilities to run on my PC under : Windows NT : connected via TCP/IP to some servers running under Unix or VMS. Can you : tell : me if kermit offers this kind of services ? Good free Tektronix emulators are not easy to find. Kermit is probably the best choice for MS-DOS. Tera Term Pro is a good program which works under Windows 95 and Windows NT. I use Tera Term which is the Windows 3.x version and I'm quite happy with it. You can find both versions of Tera Term at http://www.rarf.riken.go.jp/archives/pc/misc/terminal/teraterm/ Tomas Lindén ------------ Tomas-Linden-at-Helsinki-FI@No.Spams.To.FI From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 14 08:52:23 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA06032 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23007 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 08:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newshub.northeast.verio.net!newsfeeder.servtech.com!post.servtech.com!hal9000.buf.servtech.com!spamguard!rchandra From: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts: INPUT timed out Date: 14 Jun 1998 12:16:32 GMT Organization: just by myself, connected through Verio New York Lines: 80 Message-ID: <6m0ev0$lg1$1@post.servtech.com> References: <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no> <6lm4sa$p24$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3581331C.40C21962@eurospill.no> Reply-To: rchandra.spamguard@spamguard.letter.com NNTP-Posting-Host: hal9000.buf.servtech.com Originator: 0x804b6e8@0x804b560 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8878 In article <3581331C.40C21962@eurospill.no>, Morten Knudsen wrote: >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >> In article <357E3AF1.E299BFB3@eurospill.no>, >> Morten Knudsen wrote: >> : I'm just starting to learn kermit script programming. My problem is >> : that my input commands are all timing out. Also if I type interactivly >> : >> : output AT\13 >> : input 10 OK >> : >> : the input command fails. This .kermrc >> : >> : set line /dev/modem >> : set speed 19200 >> : set modem usrobotics >> : set dial prefix 0 >> : set dial method tone >> : set input timeout-action quit >> : output AT\13 >> : input 3 OK >> : output AT\13 >> : input 3 OK >> : >> : fails on the second input line. Any hints? >> : >> Most likely, it is behaving as it should -- i.e. not seeing the second >> "OK" within 3 seconds. I agree you *should* see it within 3 seconds, but >> if the INPUT command times out, it means the expected text did not arrive >> within the given interval. >> >> Another possibility is confusion with the communications port driver. I >> notice you are using "/dev/modem", which probably means Linux? And /dev/modem >> is what? /dev/cua0? /dev/ttyS0? The different drivers behave differently. >> Unfortunately, this started happening (or was discovered) after C-Kermit 6.0 >> was released. In that case, you'll have better luck with C-Kermit 6.1: >> >I managed to solve the problem. I had to do: >input 3 OK\13\10 >for some reason. But just for the AT commands. Apart from that >all is normal. This is a USRobotics Courier on Digital Unix. >/dev/modem is just a link. I haven't tried C-Kermit 6.1 yet. > >BTW, do anybody know how to get other speeds than 9600 and 19200 >(e.g. 14400, 28800, 33600)? > >> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html >> >> - Frank > >Morten. My suggestion to you, and to Linux users as well, is, whereever possible, do NOT use /dev/modem, use the device name to which it refers. This keeps the lock files straight. Even if you could set your port speed to 33600, would you really want to? I think there's about a 75% chance you are confusing modem-to-modem speed with serial port speed. Whereever practical, you want to use a speed higher than the carrier rate so that the modem can have data ahead of time to compress it before it is sent. The modem will buffer the data for you, and signal your computer, usually through the CTS line (and your computer signal the modem through the RTS line), when it's ready for data and when it isn't. Of course, your OS or your serial port or your serial cable may not support this "hardware flow control", but if you've got it, it may be worth using. Chances are, it can be done. Even if you're operating a V.32 (9600 bps) modem at 9600 bps, if you're using a protocol for error correction, such as V.42, you need this anyway so that the modem can request that you stop sending data while error correction retransmits are in progress. Therefore, you might as well turn on compression and modem speed buffering, and use a serial cable that supports RTS/CTS, and take advantage of those modem features, if possible. -- Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight. Joe Philipps http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/ You know what you have to do to send email to me successfully :^) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 14 16:47:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21799 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17784 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!ix.netcom.com!news5.crl.com!nnrp2.crl.com!a138009.san1.as.crl.com!user From: (Dennes) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what exactly is kermit? Date: Sun, 14 Jun 1998 12:23:28 -0700 Organization: C.'. C.'. Lines: 6 Message-ID: <-1406981223280001@a138009.san1.as.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: a138002.san1.as.crl.com Organisation: Esoterick http://www.crl.com/~dftflngr/strck.html X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Yet Another NewsWatcher 2.1.8 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8880 all the tutorials at school keep referring to it, is it like a name for the mainframe? i believe we're using an es/9000 mainframe, are they related? or is the name for the PC i'm using? i'm a little confused. sorry, i'm new at this, be patient and don't flame me if you think it's a lame question, ok? you were a newbie once too if you remember.... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 14 16:57:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23208 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 14 Jun 1998 16:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what exactly is kermit? Date: 14 Jun 1998 20:57:48 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-ID: <6m1dgc$kjr$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <-1406981223280001@a138009.san1.as.crl.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8881 In article <-1406981223280001@a138009.san1.as.crl.com>, wrote: : all the tutorials at school keep referring to it, is it like a name : for the mainframe? i believe we're using an es/9000 mainframe, are : they related? or is the name for the PC i'm using? i'm a little confused. : It's the name of a protocol used for transferring files between computers, and also the name of a family of communication software programs that implements this protocol, plus (in many cases) providing additional services such as terminal emulation, dialing, scripting, etc. See the Kermit Project website for additional information: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 15 09:40:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07077 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28797 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!news.cs.utwente.nl!newsfeed.eris.dera.gov.uk!dera!not-for-mail From: "Doug Pickering" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC mode in K95 Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:32:53 +0100 Organization: Defence Evaluation & Research Agency Lines: 21 Message-ID: <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.17.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8882 Hi, I am using the k95 dialer (ver 1.1.15) to access several VMS servers on a WAN. One of the problems I have is that I need to run APC's that create output on the screen using the output command. The K95 dialler only seems to give the option of on or off and not unchecked. It also sets the apc mode after the k95custom script has been run. What is the best way round this? Is it to create a login script and point all entries to it? As a thought, it would be nice to be able to define a macro as 'apc safe'. i.e. after being defined in the initalisation script it could then be called by an APC and perform unchecked tasks even though set terminal apc on is selected. Doug Pickering From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 15 09:47:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08527 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29094 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 09:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC mode in K95 Date: 15 Jun 1998 13:47:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-ID: <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8883 In article <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, Doug Pickering wrote: : I am using the k95 dialer (ver 1.1.15) to access several VMS servers on a : WAN. : : One of the problems I have is that I need to run APC's that create output on : the screen using the output command. The K95 dialler only seems to give the : option of on or off and not unchecked. It also sets the apc mode after the : k95custom script has been run. : Unchecked is not included in the Dialer because it is unsafe and should not be used unless you read about it first, and then only at your own risk -- in other words, it should be simply a checkbox on a GUI. : What is the best way round this? Is it to create a login script and point : all entries to it? : (a) Code your application some other way, so that APC ON will be sufficient. (b) Use a "login script", which is executed at the end of the Dialer-generated commands, that sets APC to UNCHECKED (not recommended). : As a thought, it would be nice to be able to define a macro as 'apc safe'. : i.e. after being defined in the initalisation script it could then be called : by an APC and perform unchecked tasks even though set terminal apc on is : selected. : It's an issue of trust. Who declared it safe, and do we believe them? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 15 10:44:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20945 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02243 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!europa.clark.net!194.162.162.196!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.fh-hannover.de!news-han1.dfn.de!news.tu-bs.de!not-for-mail From: M.Evers@tu-bs.de (Matthias Evers) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for DOS Lockup Problems Date: Mon, 15 Jun 1998 14:42:06 GMT Organization: TU Braunschweig, Germany Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-ID: <358530fd.27262641@news.tu-bs.de> References: <3572C5AA.EDB12434@inxpress.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: mevers.biblio.etc.tu-bs.de X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8884 On 1 Jun 98 21:45:27 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: >> I am trying to use Kermit version 3 with the MSK315 patch on DOS PC's on >> a Novell 4.11 ethernet LAN running Novell's VLM 1.21 clients. We also >> use Novell's DHCP to allocate addresses. >> I have been getting numerous and repeated complaints of lockups on >> several of the PC's using Kermit. By lockup, my users actually mean that >> they experience both PC lockup (system won't respond to any input and >> needs rebooting) to loosing the connection to the RS/6000 and ending up >> at the "Kermit" prompt. > I can say confidently, it's not Kermit. That leaves just about >everything else to consider, oh joy. Start with the lan adapter, and its >settings. If it is a "parallel tasking" device then please use one that Joe is absolutly right. I also have had lots of complains about locked up sessions with kermit 3.15, since we put a new 3com corebuilder 3500 in duty. Working with kermit worked, as long as you did not leave the pc for about 10 minutes. The pc seemed like frozen, but actually was alive, as was the connection on the workstation (DEC Unix) itself. Strange! But on last friday i updated the bios on the corebuilder 3500 (from 1.0 to 1.1.1 from the web site) and all my problems are gone! It was in fact the new switch, we have put up on our lan (btw. otherwise the switch works fine!). Bye, Matthias (M.Evers@tu-bs.de) From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 15 11:24:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA28248 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04334 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC mode in K95 Date: 15 Jun 1998 15:24:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-ID: <6m3ebq$far$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8885 In article <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, : Doug Pickering wrote: : : I am using the k95 dialer (ver 1.1.15) to access several VMS servers on a : : WAN. : : : : One of the problems I have is that I need to run APC's that create output on : : the screen using the output command. The K95 dialler only seems to give the : : option of on or off and not unchecked. It also sets the apc mode after the : : k95custom script has been run. : : : Unchecked is not included in the Dialer because it is unsafe and should not : be used unless you read about it first, and then only at your own risk -- : in other words, it should be simply a checkbox on a GUI. It should NOT simply be a checkbox on a GUI. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 15 11:32:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA01094 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04689 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 15 Jun 1998 11:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC mode in K95 Date: 15 Jun 1998 15:32:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-ID: <6m3eq2$fj7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6m3ebq$far$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8887 In article <6m3ebq$far$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: : In article <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : : ... : : Unchecked is not included in the Dialer because it is unsafe and should : : not be used unless you read about it first, and then only at your own : : risk -- in other words, it should be simply a checkbox on a GUI. : : It should NOT simply be a checkbox on a GUI. : Right, NOT. Without the NOT we have a rather puzzling non sequitur. But then what isn't these days... - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 16 03:49:59 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA27334 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA25725 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 03:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!nntp-out.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!newsfeed.nacamar.de!univ-lyon1.fr!unice.fr!news.cma.fr!not-for-mail From: billiotte@cgi.ensmp.fr (J. Billiotte) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit & Windows 95 Date: 16 Jun 1998 07:47:38 GMT Organization: Ecole des Mines - CGI Lines: 18 Message-ID: <6m57uq$sc3$1@bego.cma.fr> References: <1998061010345100.GAA27471@ladder03.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: cgipc2.ensmp.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.9 (Released Version) (x86 32bit) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8889 In article <1998061010345100.GAA27471@ladder03.news.aol.com>, lhlhlh01@aol.com says... > >Does anybody know how to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (or later) under Windows 95, >using networking, we do not want to use a serial port or Kermit 95. > >Laurence Hart >Definitive Computing Ltd. >UK. You can use a packet driver http://www.danlan.com/ ndispkt3 freeware but you must use a specific IP number for the packet driver (see README) and it can't be used with WIN95 OSR2. ndispkt32.0 shareware and you can use only one IP number. Best regards. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 16 06:07:28 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA19872 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA03341 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 06:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!bore.news.pipex.net!pipex!not-for-mail From: "Kevin Lucas" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for Kermit 6 for Xenix 2.3.4 Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 11:04:03 +0100 Organization: UUNET UK server (post doesn't reflect views of UUNET UK) Lines: 5 Message-ID: <6m5g47$rj2$1@flex.london.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: kl.icos.co.uk X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8890 Can anyone tell me where I might find a copy please? Thanks Kevin Lucas From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 16 09:25:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07006 for ; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13720 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 16 Jun 1998 09:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for Kermit 6 for Xenix 2.3.4 Date: 16 Jun 1998 13:25:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-ID: <6m5rno$ojg$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6m5g47$rj2$1@flex.london.pipex.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8891 In article <6m5g47$rj2$1@flex.london.pipex.net>, Kevin Lucas wrote: : Can anyone tell me where I might find a copy please? : The same place you find any Kermit software: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ For C-Kermit 6.0 for UNIX (including Xenix), specifically: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 17 02:01:40 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA23799 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA05532 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 02:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!gondor!newshub1.wanet.net!uunet!in5.uu.net!newsfeed.xcom.net!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.idt.net!newsfeed.nyu.edu!newsxfer3.itd.umich.edu!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!newsfeed.interlog.com!news.interlog.com!not-for-mail From: James Coe Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.bbs,alt.comp,alt.computer,alt.computer.security,aus.computers.sun,comp.bbs.misc,comp.dcom.modem,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcpip,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sun,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix Subject: Z-Modem vs FTP: Is the following an accurate comparison? Date: Tue, 16 Jun 1998 10:13:53 -0400 Organization: Interlog Internet Services Lines: 78 Message-ID: <35867DA0.A4FB2608@interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.108.70.21 NNTP-Posting-Time: 16 Jun 1998 14:13:59 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.misc:7401 alt.computer:5833 aus.computers.sun:4127 comp.bbs.misc:37886 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:60404 comp.protocols.ppp:22633 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8892 comp.unix.solaris:163559 Z-Modem vs FTP Speed Z-Modem is usually much faster than FTP. This is because most implementations of Z-Modem use internal data compression routines and do not perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks (CRC). FTP is slower than Z-Modem since no data compression is used and CRC is performed. Error Checking/Reliability Since Z-Modem does not use CRC routines, transmission errors are not easily detected or corrected. FTP has full error detection capabilities as well as very good error recovery procedures. Additional Purchasing Z-Modem is not part of the standard Sun Solaris Operating System. Thus, it must be purchased from some third party vendor. FTP is part of the standard Sun Solaris configuration. Customizing for GPS Needs For the GPS system, Z-modem must be customized so that there is some indicator that the file upload is complete and processing can proceed. In order to do this, source code must be available. FTP must also be customized in this way. Oasis customized the FTP daemon so that the file will be transferred to a processing directory when the file upload is complete. Connection In order to use Z-Modem, the user must dial into the UNIX box and be connected as a ‘real’ UNIX user. The user can then initiate a Z-Modem protocol upload. Some sort of server software which allows terminal access is necessary on the UNIX box. In order to use FTP, the user connects to the PPP server and then launches an FTP application. This application is connected as a FTP user. Security Since the user is connected as a ‘real’ UNIX user, there are fewer restrictions that can be placed on them. Since the user is connected as a ‘ftp’ UNIX user, there are many restrictions that can be placed on the account. For example, the ftp account can be restricted such that they can only put the file on the system. They will not be able to ‘get’ files, change from their directory, list files, etc. Also, this method allows the use of 2-levels of authentication. That is, the user must sign into their PPP account and then into their ftp account. Both of these accounts could have different passwords (or even different User ID’s) and the PPP account could use CHAP for password authentication (password not sent ‘in the clear’). UNIX Support Since ‘real’ UNIX accounts need to be created, a UNIX system administrator is necessary to create and manage/maintain the UNIX user accounts. ‘FTP’ UNIX accounts can be generated automatically. PC Support Z-Modem is much easier to support as it is just a terminal connection. That is, no TCP/IP set-up is required. FTP is more difficult to install and support since it requires Win95 dial-up networking to be configured. General Considering the speed and error issues, Z-Modem should only be used when the file is large and can be easily resent. In our case, the maximum size of a single transaction is only 150 kb and we expect a frequency of ½ transaction per merchant per day. FTP is better when file stability is necessary and speed is not an issue as is true in our case. FTP is also preferable in terms of security, availability and support on the UNIX side. The biggest drawback to FTP appears to be the PC support issues. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 17 03:55:26 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA13963 for ; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA11386 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 17 Jun 1998 03:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.misc,comp.bbs,alt.comp,alt.computer,alt.computer.security,aus.computers.sun,comp.bbs.misc,comp.dcom.modem,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.protocols.tcpip,comp.protocols.ppp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.sun,comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix Subject: Re: Z-Modem vs FTP: Is the following an accurate comparison? Date: 17 Jun 1998 07:44:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 174 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6m7s57$s99$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35867DA0.A4FB2608@interlog.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.misc:7402 alt.computer:5834 aus.computers.sun:4130 comp.bbs.misc:37887 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:60407 comp.protocols.ppp:22635 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8893 comp.unix.solaris:163564 In article <35867DA0.A4FB2608@interlog.com>, James Coe wrote: : : : Z-Modem vs FTP : : Speed : Z-Modem is usually much faster than FTP. This is because most : implementations of Z-Modem use internal data compression routines and do : not perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks (CRC). : FTP is slower than Z-Modem since no data compression is used and CRC is : performed. Have you done any real performance testing? If so, with what products? FTP relies on TCP/IP to perform all error correction and data verification. It does not perform any additional data checks. It has no need to. When Zmodem is used over a Telnet or Rlogin connection not only does the data transfer occur on the same TCP/IP link as is used by FTP, the data is also being passed through a psuedo-terminal and the telnetd or rlogind which must perform per-character checking. I would have an extremely hard time believing that Zmodem would be significantly faster unless the data that is being transfered is highly compressible with Run-Length Encoding. The RLE compression is only available in Zmodem-90 implementations and not in the Zmodem implementations available in most non-Omen Technologies implementations. : Error Checking/Reliability : Since Z-Modem does not use CRC routines, transmission errors are not : easily detected or corrected. : FTP has full error detection capabilities as well as very good error : recovery procedures. Since both FTP and ZModem are being used over TCP/IP, neither one needs to worry about data corruption (except that Zmodem needs to know how to properly process data over Telnet protocol or a 7-bit NVT connection if Bidirectional Binary mode is not negotiated.) The only item that FTP and Zmodem have to worry about is the connection being dropped prematurely. Many implementations of Zmodem protocol support a RESUME option to restart pre-maturely terminated connections. Some FTP implementations have similar support but most do not. Zmodem also has a potential problem with TEXT file transfers that require RESUME because of the way it handles end of line translation. : Additional Purchasing : Z-Modem is not part of the standard Sun Solaris Operating System. Thus, : it must be purchased from some third party vendor. : FTP is part of the standard Sun Solaris configuration. Public domain implemenations of Zmodem are available from the Free Software Foundation although the versions from Omen Technology are more feature complete. : Customizing for GPS Needs : For the GPS system, Z-modem must be customized so that there is some : indicator that the file upload is complete and processing can proceed. : In order to do this, source code must be available. : FTP must also be customized in this way. Oasis customized the FTP : daemon so that the file will be transferred to a processing directory : when the file upload is complete. Zmodem source code may be licensed from Omen Technologies. : Connection : In order to use Z-Modem, the user must dial into the UNIX box and be : connected as a ‘real’ UNIX user. The user can then initiate a Z-Modem : protocol upload. Some sort of server software which allows terminal : access is necessary on the UNIX box. : In order to use FTP, the user connects to the PPP server and then : launches an FTP application. This application is connected as a FTP : user. Zmodem can be used over a PPP link via Telnet or Rlogin just as is done with FTP. If you are attempting to compare Dial-Up connections to PPP links then that is the most likely cause for the discrepencies of your comparisions. PPP adds a great deal of overhead. On a dial-up connection there is no additional overhead. So Zmodem will be faster. However, if you are going over a dial-up connection then everything I said earlier about error correction goes out the window. On a dial-up connection Zmodem will have to use CRC checks to detect errors. If it does not, and an error occurs, Zmodem has to wait until the entire file is transfered before it can detect the error and then rollback. This means that even one error will erase all the performance benefits you may have gained. The "user" is the same regardless of whether a dial-up or FTP connection is made. One is given shell access the other is not. That is the only difference. : Security : Since the user is connected as a ‘real’ UNIX user, there are fewer : restrictions that can be placed on them. The user is given a shell. The Shell can be replaced with anything that you wish. : Since the user is connected as a ‘ftp’ UNIX user, there are many : restrictions that can be placed on the account. For example, the ftp : account can be restricted such that they can only put the file on the : system. They will not be able to ‘get’ files, change from their : directory, list files, etc. : Also, this method allows the use of 2-levels of authentication. That : is, the user must sign into their PPP account and then into their ftp : account. Both of these accounts could have different passwords (or even : different User ID’s) and the PPP account could use CHAP for password : authentication (password not sent ‘in the clear’). Since the PPP connection can be made from anywhere you can't trust any aspect of the PPP authentication when the FTP authentication takes place. : UNIX Support : Since ‘real’ UNIX accounts need to be created, a UNIX system : administrator is necessary to create and manage/maintain the UNIX user : accounts. : ‘FTP’ UNIX accounts can be generated automatically. Since the accounts are one and the same there is no difference in administrative overhead. : PC Support : Z-Modem is much easier to support as it is just a terminal connection. : That is, no TCP/IP set-up is required. : FTP is more difficult to install and support since it requires Win95 : dial-up networking to be configured. I would agree that Dial-Up Networking is difficult to automate on Win95. There is no scriptable way to connect and disconnect a PPP connection. The ease of use of the terminal connection is really determined by the application that you are using. : General : Considering the speed and error issues, Z-Modem should only be used when : the file is large and can be easily resent. In our case, the maximum : size of a single transaction is only 150 kb and we expect a frequency : of ½ transaction per merchant per day. : FTP is better when file stability is necessary and speed is not an issue : as is true in our case. FTP is also preferable in terms of security, : availability and support on the UNIX side. The biggest drawback to FTP : appears to be the PC support issues. These conclusions are unwarranted. The comparisons are not equivalent. --- The decision you have to make is whether or not you want to use Dial-Up Networking to make a PPP connection. If the answer to that question is 'yes' then you need to compare FTP, Zmodem, and Kermit over the PPP connection for performance, reliability, and automation. If the answer to the question is 'no', then you have to compare various dial-up packages which implement Zmodem and Kermit for performance, reliability, and automation. I believe that regardless of which way you decide that C-Kermit for Solaris and Kermit 95 for Win95 will provide you with the best solution for your project. See http://www.kermit-project.org/ for details. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 18 08:52:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA14805 for ; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA03651 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 18 Jun 1998 08:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.eecs.umich.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.sollentuna.se!dera!not-for-mail From: "Doug Pickering" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: APC mode in K95 Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 13:00:43 +0100 Organization: Defence Evaluation & Research Agency Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6mavsk$s4f$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> References: <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb> <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 146.80.17.10 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8897 Frank, What I was hoping to put across was the idea that macros that are defined before a connection is made should have the ability to be maked as 'safe'. This would mean that any macros that had been developed to aid the transfer of files or the changing of keymappings in our case could be marked used with APC on rather than UNCHECKED. Doug Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6m38lk$cht$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <6m3858$d8l$1@trog.dra.hmg.gb>, >Doug Pickering wrote: >: As a thought, it would be nice to be able to define a macro as 'apc safe'. >: i.e. after being defined in the initalisation script it could then be called >: by an APC and perform unchecked tasks even though set terminal apc on is >: selected. >: >It's an issue of trust. Who declared it safe, and do we believe them? > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 19 20:37:16 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16150 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA15642 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 19 Jun 1998 20:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!news-peer-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!ix.netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Z-Modem vs FTP: Is the following an accurate comparison? Message-ID: Sender: jhurwit@netcom13.netcom.com Organization: Less and less each day.. References: <35867DA0.A4FB2608@interlog.com> <6m7s57$s99$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Distribution: inet Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 00:57:18 GMT Lines: 20 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8899 In article <6m7s57$s99$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: > PPP adds a great deal of overhead. On a dial-up >connection there is no additional overhead. So Zmodem will be faster. Interesting... I download a fair number of reasonably large compressed .zip files from various software archives. On my Unix shell account, there are generally two ways I do this: 1) run a PPP emulator (SLiRP) on my shell and use Netscape for my FTP client, or 2) use lynx over a terminal session (to bring the file to my provider's machine), then use Kermit to transfer it to my own over the dialup connection. Given that I'm using recent Kermit versions tuned for speed (long packets, sliding windows, 8-bit dialup connection, minimal control character prefixing, block-checking 3), which method would be faster overall? -- jhurwit@netcom.com Jeffrey Hurwit "NETCOM: It's not just an ISP, it's a way of life." From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 20 08:55:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA25166 for ; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA23265 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 20 Jun 1998 08:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Z-Modem vs FTP: Is the following an accurate comparison? Date: 20 Jun 1998 12:55:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Distribution: inet Message-ID: <6mgbfd$307$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35867DA0.A4FB2608@interlog.com> <6m7s57$s99$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8902 In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: : In article <6m7s57$s99$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: : : > PPP adds a great deal of overhead. On a dial-up : >connection there is no additional overhead. So Zmodem will be faster. : : Interesting... I download a fair number of reasonably large : compressed .zip files from various software archives. On my Unix : shell account, there are generally two ways I do this: 1) run a PPP : emulator (SLiRP) on my shell and use Netscape for my FTP client, or : 2) use lynx over a terminal session (to bring the file to my : provider's machine), then use Kermit to transfer it to my own over : the dialup connection. Given that I'm using recent Kermit versions : tuned for speed (long packets, sliding windows, 8-bit dialup : connection, minimal control character prefixing, block-checking 3), : which method would be faster overall? : You should measure it and see for yourself. FTP has less protocol overhead than Kermit, but that's because it relies on the underlying protocols (TCP, IP and/or PPP) to provide the error checking, sequencing, fragmentation and reassembly, and recovery. Kermit has more protocol overhead at the file transfer level, but when you use it over a straight dialup, there is nothing underneath it adding anything extra -- except whatever protocol the modem is using, but that's the same in both cases. The next round of Kermits (K95 1.1.16, already out; C-Kermit 6.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16, both current in Beta test) add a new Kermit protocol option called streaming, that takes advantage of an underlying reliable transport. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sun Jun 21 19:41:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA20716 for ; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA12493 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sun, 21 Jun 1998 19:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 95 1.1.17 Date: 21 Jun 1998 23:41:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6mk5nb$sur$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8904 Kermit 95 1.1.17 is now available as a patch to earlier releases. Full announcement on comp.protocols.kermit.announce. On the Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 22 08:12:04 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA22523 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10270 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 08:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <358E4A03.EB208E59@hp.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jun 1998 14:11:48 +0200 From: Miguel Angel Turrado Organization: HP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with the set of Characters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit NNTP-Posting-Host: apc1mt09.spain.hp.com Lines: 18 X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. X-Disclaimer: All opinions expressed herein are of personal nature and do not reflect the opinion of third parties. Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!sdd.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!isoit370.bbn.hp.com!apc1mt09.spain.hp.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8905 Hello, we are trying to connect our HP-UX machine (with HP-UX 10.20 and kermit 6.1 Beta 05) with a Siemens Hicom 300 PABX . We get the connection, but when we try to write our commands, we only can write some characters (we can´t write characters like ',', ';', 'd', 'I', '1' ...). In fact, only the numbers '0', '3', '5', '6', '9' work, the others don´t appear. Please, write us any suggestion. Thanks in advance, Miguel A. Turrado e-mail: miguel-angel_turrado@hp.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 22 09:33:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06112 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14593 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 09:33:01 -0400 (EDT) From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSkermit and NVT Date: 22 Jun 1998 17:16:46 +0400 Organization: GlasNet Lines: 7 Message-ID: <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: mir.glas.apc.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-peer.gip.net!news-penn.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!news.rosprint.net!news.glas.apc.org!dz Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8906 Hi, just wondering if MSKermit can works as NVT. NVT is a telnet client which works over ipx/spx. I do know that NVT server exist on SCO OSE 5, at least. If so, can it work over Calder DR-DOS ipx stack ? Thanks. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 22 10:21:52 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA15770 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17182 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with the set of Characters Date: 22 Jun 1998 14:21:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mlp9u$gc8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <358E4A03.EB208E59@hp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8907 In article <358E4A03.EB208E59@hp.com>, Miguel Angel Turrado wrote: : we are trying to connect our HP-UX machine (with HP-UX 10.20 and : kermit 6.1 Beta 05) with a Siemens Hicom 300 PABX . We get the : connection, but when we try to write our commands, we only can write : some characters (we can´t write characters like ',', ';', 'd', 'I', '1' : ...). In fact, only the numbers '0', '3', '5', '6', '9' work, the others : don´t appear. : 0 = 48 decimal = 30 hex = 00110000 (2 1-bits) (even) 3 = 51 decimal = 33 hex = 00110011 (4 1-bits) (even) 5 = 53 decimal = 35 hex = 00110101 (4 1-bits) (even) 6 = 54 decimal = 36 hex = 00110110 (4 1-bits) (even) 9 = 57 decimal = 39 hex = 00111001 (4 1-bits) (even) But: 1 = 49 decimal = 31 hex = 00110001 (3 1-bits) (odd) 2 = 50 decimal = 32 hex = 00110010 (3 1-bits) (odd) 4 = 52 decimal = 34 hex = 00110100 (3 1-bits) (odd) etc. Therefore you PABX wants even parity. Tell C-Kermit to "set parity even". - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 22 10:26:24 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16667 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 10:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSkermit and NVT Date: 22 Jun 1998 14:26:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6mlpie$ggb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8908 In article <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org>, Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: : just wondering if MSKermit can works as NVT. NVT is a telnet client : which works over ipx/spx. I do know that NVT server exist on SCO OSE 5, : at least. : If so, can it work over Calder DR-DOS ipx stack ? : You mean MS-DOS Kermit? I think the answer comes from the following hint in MS-DOS Kermit NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC: UnixWare NVT offers an Int 14h interceptor which Kermit may use. Please see your UnixWare documenation for details. Taken in context, this means you would install the aforementioned driver on your PC, and then tell MS-DOS Kermit to use it via "set port bios1". However, if you already have an Ethernet connection between the PC and the SCO server, why not just use MS-DOS Kermit's TCP/IP stack and Telnet client? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 22 16:07:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01050 for ; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA05374 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 22 Jun 1998 16:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.uoregon.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.sgi.com!howland.erols.net!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-east.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!207.20.0.50!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@94.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSkermit and NVT Date: 22 Jun 1998 18:01:27 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 32 Message-ID: <6mm65n$lk$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org> <6mlpie$ggb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8910 : Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: : : just wondering if MSKermit can works as NVT. NVT is a telnet client : : which works over ipx/spx. I do know that NVT server exist on SCO OSE 5, : : at least. : : If so, can it work over Calder DR-DOS ipx stack ? Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : You mean MS-DOS Kermit? I think the answer comes from the following hint : in MS-DOS Kermit NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC: : Taken in context, this means you would install the aforementioned driver on : your PC, and then tell MS-DOS Kermit to use it via "set port bios1". : However, if you already have an Ethernet connection between the PC and the : SCO server, why not just use MS-DOS Kermit's TCP/IP stack and Telnet client? Because you can run MS-Kermit under a Win3.11 icon, and use NVT, whereas TCP connections require more work. If NVT is already there, it's a handy tool. It is highly problematic in it's own right, though, so Kermit-TCP is a better environment, if both are available. As far as the Caldera DR-DOS, that's another wrench. My Novell DR-DOS would not play SPX, which is what I think NVT wants to use, but I don't recall for sure. NVT plus MS-Kermit did work on MSDOS, to connect to a Unixware platform, even invoked from a Win3.11 icon. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 23 02:27:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA09711 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA06047 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 02:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!logbridge.uoregon.edu!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSkermit and NVT Message-ID: Date: 22 Jun 98 22:02:42 MDT References: <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org> <6mlpie$ggb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6mm65n$lk$1@samba.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8912 In article <6mm65n$lk$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@94.usenet.us.com writes: > : Dmitry the Zuryanovich wrote: > : : just wondering if MSKermit can works as NVT. NVT is a telnet client > : : which works over ipx/spx. I do know that NVT server exist on SCO OSE 5, > : : at least. > : : If so, can it work over Calder DR-DOS ipx stack ? > > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : You mean MS-DOS Kermit? I think the answer comes from the following hint > : in MS-DOS Kermit NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC: > > : Taken in context, this means you would install the aforementioned driver on > : your PC, and then tell MS-DOS Kermit to use it via "set port bios1". > > : However, if you already have an Ethernet connection between the PC and the > : SCO server, why not just use MS-DOS Kermit's TCP/IP stack and Telnet client? > > Because you can run MS-Kermit under a Win3.11 icon, and use NVT, > whereas TCP connections require more work. > > If NVT is already there, it's a handy tool. It is highly problematic in > it's own right, though, so Kermit-TCP is a better environment, if both are > available. > > As far as the Caldera DR-DOS, that's another wrench. My Novell DR-DOS > would not play SPX, which is what I think NVT wants to use, but I don't > recall for sure. NVT plus MS-Kermit did work on MSDOS, to connect to a > Unixware platform, even invoked from a Win3.11 icon. > > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. ------------ At one time I considered adding support to MS-DOS Kermit for NVT. I read the specs carefully (under NDA) and decided the protocol was not suitable for production use, and hence I declined to add the necessary code to MSK. TCP/IP is much superior in this instance. Joe D. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 23 16:24:09 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA18511 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA21154 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 16:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.new-york.net!nntprelay.mathworks.com!peerfeed.ncal.verio.net!bug.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!samba.rahul.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: dold@94.usenet.us.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSkermit and NVT Date: 23 Jun 1998 18:13:59 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-ID: <6mor98$h70$1@samba.rahul.net> References: <6mllfu$skt@glas.apc.org> <6mlpie$ggb$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6mm65n$lk$1@samba.rahul.net> Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-Host: waltz.rahul.net NNTP-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] X-Comment: Encoded From: line allows replies that preserve original subject Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8913 Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : At one time I considered adding support to MS-DOS Kermit for NVT. : I read the specs carefully (under NDA) and decided the protocol was not : suitable for production use, and hence I declined to add the necessary code : to MSK. TCP/IP is much superior in this instance. I would agree with that, as a former user of NVT. Junk. Poorly written, poorly documented, proprietary at both ends of the link, with no obvious source for the "other" end of the link, if it's not included by a unix vendor as part of their release. Hangs, disconnects, mysterious hotkeys that invoke features that obviously never worked... Let's see, what can I say nice about it? -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 23 18:49:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09699 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA29011 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 18:49:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "me" Subject: Telnet - COM2 Active Message-ID: <01bd9eec$4ca5b2c0$8c8be0c3@ij> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Internet News 4.70.1155 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Tue, 23 Jun 1998 17:16:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.ecrc.net!arl-news-svc-3.compuserve.com!news-master.compuserve.com!nntp-nih2naab.compuserve.com Lines: 13 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8914 When starting a telnet access on kermit 1.1.17 the message " a session is open on COM2. Close?" (or similar) appears. (There is a modem on COM2) If I don't close the program doesn't connect. What obvious error have I made/ I am running NT4.0 SP3 Thanks From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 23 22:00:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA05402 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09320 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 23 Jun 1998 22:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet - COM2 Active Date: 24 Jun 1998 02:00:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6mpmj4$mff$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <01bd9eec$4ca5b2c0$8c8be0c3@ij> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8915 In article <01bd9eec$4ca5b2c0$8c8be0c3@ij>, me wrote: : When starting a telnet access on kermit 1.1.17 the message " a session is : open on COM2. Close?" (or similar) appears. : : (There is a modem on COM2) : : If I don't close the program doesn't connect. : : What obvious error have I made/ : : I am running NT4.0 SP3 : : Thanks : You have a SET PORT COM2 statement in your K95CUSTOM.INI file and either your modem is configured to always to generate a Carrier Detect signal or you have K95 configured to SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 24 07:26:25 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA23562 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA27949 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 07:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!newsfeed.nyu.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-peer.sprintlink.net!news-backup-west.sprintlink.net!news.sprintlink.net!194.168.4.5!news7-gui.server.cableol.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Fergus Strachan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 to Kermit95 Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 11:30:36 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 12 Message-ID: <6mql3o$qr2$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.124.52 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8918 Oh dear oh dear oh dear... I'm trying to get my system upgraded to Kermit95 from this dos version (which just wil NOT RUN on my P-II system). I can't find any information in the configuration files pertaining to the settings Kermit uses. Is there an easy way to transfer the info to Kermit95? I've been trying to configure 95 for a while with no joy..... Cheers in advance, Fergus. From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Wed Jun 24 18:16:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA17308 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA03541 for kermit.misc@watsun; Wed, 24 Jun 1998 18:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 to Kermit95 Date: 24 Jun 1998 22:16:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6mrts0$lud$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6mql3o$qr2$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8920 In article <6mql3o$qr2$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net>, Fergus Strachan wrote: : I'm trying to get my system upgraded to Kermit95 from this dos version : (which just wil NOT RUN on my P-II system). I can't find any information in : the configuration files pertaining to the settings Kermit uses. : Is there an easy way to transfer the info to Kermit95? I've been trying to : configure 95 for a while with no joy..... : Kermit 95 comes with a pair of manuals that explain everything. If you have specific questions or problems, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu describing them in enough detail for us to be able to help you. What isn't working? - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 25 05:38:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA04942 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07491 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 05:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!worldfeed.gte.net!uunet!in4.uu.net!news7-gui.server.cableol.net!newsfeed.cableol.net!not-for-mail From: "Fergus Strachan" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 to Kermit95 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:32:02 +0100 Organization: Virgin Net Usenet Service Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6mt5dv$cqv$1@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> References: <6mql3o$qr2$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> <6mrts0$lud$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: 194.168.66.210 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8921 I'm just trying to find out which files (in Kermit3.12) are the ones that hold the config info for Kermit, then I can apply this info to Kermit95. F. >Kermit 95 comes with a pair of manuals that explain everything. If you >have specific questions or problems, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu >describing them in enough detail for us to be able to help you. What isn't >working? > >- Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jun 25 10:08:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10969 for ; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22251 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 25 Jun 1998 10:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 to Kermit95 Date: 25 Jun 1998 14:08:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6mtlki$kjn$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6mql3o$qr2$1@nclient3-gui.server.virgin.net> <6mrts0$lud$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <6mt5dv$cqv$1@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8922 In article <6mt5dv$cqv$1@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>, Fergus Strachan wrote: : I'm just trying to find out which files (in Kermit3.12) are the ones that : hold the config info for Kermit, then I can apply this info to Kermit95. : The standard initialization file for MS-DOS Kermit is MSKERMIT.INI. The standard customization file for MS-DOS Kermit is MSCUSTOM.INI. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 26 10:43:47 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22614 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA29261 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!howland.erols.net!news-feed1.tiac.net!posterchild2!news@tiac.net From: "Art L." Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Get port of previous failed set line command Date: Fri, 26 Jun 1998 10:41:08 -0400 Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc. Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3593B304.716C@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ccraft.tiac.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8924 I have a kermit script which then "takes" from a file called kermit.dat. kermit.dat contains "set line /dev/tty1A" (or what ever the local modem port may be). If the modem is not available the parent script is aware of this because \v(line) equals /dev/tty. What I would like to do is add some code to the parent script to keep attempting to set line /dev/ttysomething every 10 seconds until it is available. However the parent script does not know what the ttysomething should be. There does not seem to be a built in variable which contains this information. Currently I have my take kermit.dat command in a loop from which I break out of if \v(line) is something other than /dev/tty. What I really want to do is to read the lock file (ie /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..1a) to get the process ID (and therefore the program and user) of the locking process. I am using CKermit 6.1.192 and 5A(190) under SCO UNIX and XENIX From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jun 26 11:10:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27815 for ; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00696 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 26 Jun 1998 11:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Get port of previous failed set line command Date: 26 Jun 1998 15:09:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 76 Message-ID: <6n0dk4$ri8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3593B304.716C@yahoo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8925 In article <3593B304.716C@yahoo.com>, Art L. wrote: : I have a kermit script which then "takes" from a file called kermit.dat. : kermit.dat contains "set line /dev/tty1A" (or what ever the local modem : port may be). If the modem is not available the parent script is aware : of this because \v(line) equals /dev/tty. : Or because the SET LINE command failed. : What I would like to do is add some code to the parent script to keep : attempting to set line /dev/ttysomething every 10 seconds until it is : available. However the parent script does not know what the : ttysomething should be. There does not seem to be a built in variable : which contains this information. : So define your own variable. The top script can: define deviceiwant /dev/tty1A and the bottom script can refer to it as: \m(deviceiwant) : Currently I have my take kermit.dat command in a loop from which I : break out of if \v(line) is something other than /dev/tty. : Well, I'm not sure why you have two script files, but the normal way to do this kind of thing is: define deviceiwant /dev/tty1A ; Device define \%t 100 ; Number of tries for \%i 1 \%t 1 { ; Loop to try \%t times to open the device set line \m(deviceiwant) if success break pause 10 } if > \%i \%t stop 1 Failed to open \m(deviceiwant) after \%t tries. A refinement on this allows you to cycle through a list of dialout devices until you get one (the one-line array initialization requires C-Kermit 6.1): define \%n 5 ; Number of lines define \%t 100 ; Number of tries per line declare \&a[\%n] = /dev/cua0 /dev/cua1 /dev/ttyS3 /dev/ttyS4 /dev/modem5 for \%i 1 \%t 1 { ; Loop for \%t tries for \%j 1 \%n 1 { ; Loop for each device set line \&a[\%j] if success goto gotit } pause 10 ; Pause probably not needed here } if > \%1 \%t stop 1 Failed to get a line :gotit ... A further refinement would read the available devices from the UUCP Devices file, but that's problematic because (a) this file is normally read-protected, and (b) its format is likely to vary from one UNIX version to another. : What I : really want to do is to read the lock file (ie /usr/spool/uucp/LCK..1a) : to get the process ID (and therefore the program and user) of the : locking process. : That will not be possible if the lock file is read-protected. Also note that the name and location of the lockfile, as well as the format of the PID, will vary from one UNIX version to another. When C-Kermit determines that a device is locked, it displays the pid from the lockfile (using built-in knowledge about the location, name, and format of the lockfile), but this information is currently not available programmatically. I'll add this to the list for C-Kermit 6.1. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 27 12:45:44 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA17612 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA21164 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 12:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!nntprelay.mathworks.com!newsfeed.internetmci.com!164.67.42.145!awabi.library.ucla.edu!137.82.194.1!unixg.ubc.ca!vcn.bc.ca!not-for-mail From: dastow@vcn.bc.ca (David Stow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: dos environment variables Date: 27 Jun 1998 15:09:03 GMT Organization: Vancouver CommunityNet Lines: 9 Message-ID: <6n31uf$l4s@milo.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: opus.vcn.bc.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [UNIX 1.3 BETA-950824-16colors PL0] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8926 I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to make a PPP connection with PPPD for DOS 0.6. The batch program that calls PPPD leaves the IP address of my machine and my gateway as environment variables in DOS. Is there a way for me to call these variables from inside Kermit? I tried SET TCP/IP ADDRESS=%MYIP% but that didn't work. Thanks, David Stow From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jun 27 13:05:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA20757 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22286 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: dos environment variables Date: 27 Jun 1998 17:05:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-ID: <6n38oq$e6f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <6n31uf$l4s@milo.vcn.bc.ca> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8927 In article <6n31uf$l4s@milo.vcn.bc.ca>, David Stow wrote: : I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to make a PPP connection with PPPD for DOS 0.6. : The batch program that calls PPPD leaves the IP address of my machine and : my gateway as environment variables in DOS. Is there a way for me to call : these variables from inside Kermit? I tried SET TCP/IP ADDRESS=%MYIP% but : that didn't work. : As explained in the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kemrit": \$(xxx) where "xxx" is the name of the environment variable. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 29 13:00:37 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA23726 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA11538 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 13:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3597929E.36F3@belgium.ncr.com> Date: Mon, 29 Jun 1998 15:11:58 +0200 From: ghuylebr X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: 'Receive window Full' message Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Lines: 37 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!Supernews60!supernews.com!news-out.internetmci.com!pull-feed.internetmci.com!rpc1283.ncr.com!rpc1286!rpc1285.daytonoh.ncr.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8931 Hi, we are using Kermit as file-transfer mechanism in the following environment The clients dialin to a TerminalServer from within a Powerbuilder application (which contains some kermit code) >From the Terminal Server, there's automatically a Rlogin-session started to a UNIX server where a script starts kermit in Server Mode On the server, we run C-Kermit 6.0.192 Most of the time the clients can transfer files without a problem But still, rather often, the clients need to resend the data because the connection with the (kermit) server dropped. We took some networktraces (captured received and send data at the server side) and found that, when the connection drops, the Kermit Server sent the message 'Receive window Full' I found this message in the 'ckcfn2.c' code with some explanation but I'm no enough familiar with the Kermit code to understand this Remark : we upgraded the previous Kermit release to C-Kermit 6.0 as we got the same type of disconnects. At that time, Kermit sent the message 'Internal Error 18' I found (in the same file that the 'Receive window Full' replaced the 'Internal error 18' Can anyone help us to debug what goes wrong ?? How can we influence the speed between the UNIX server (where kermit is started in Receive mode) and the Terminal Server ? (= a TCP/IP connection) ? Thanks in Advance Geert Huylebroeck 32 2 727 93 57 geert.huylebroeck@belgium.ncr.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jun 29 14:36:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA15074 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA16867 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 29 Jun 1998 14:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 'Receive window Full' message Date: 29 Jun 1998 18:36:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-ID: <6n8mr1$2pq$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3597929E.36F3@belgium.ncr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8932 In article <3597929E.36F3@belgium.ncr.com>, ghuylebr wrote: : we are using Kermit as file-transfer mechanism in the following : environment : : The clients dialin to a TerminalServer from within a Powerbuilder : application (which contains some : kermit code) : From the Terminal Server, there's automatically a Rlogin-session started : to a UNIX server where a script : starts kermit in Server Mode : : On the server, we run C-Kermit 6.0.192 : : Most of the time the clients can transfer files without a problem : But still, rather often, the clients need to resend the data because the : connection with the (kermit) server : dropped. : : We took some networktraces (captured received and send data at the : server side) and found that, when the connection : drops, the Kermit Server sent the message 'Receive window Full' : : Can anyone help us to debug what goes wrong ?? : The best way to deal with bugs and problems in Kermit software is to send a report by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. "Receive window full" can happen when the two sides get out sync, which in turn is likely to happen when one side is restarted without the other's knowledge. "Receive window full" is a real error, and a real cause for failure. You can guard against it, and recover from it, with proper script programming techniques -- always test every important for failure and take appropriate action if failure is detected, as described in Chapters 17-19 of "Using C-Kermit". Certain "Receive window full" conditions, however, were improperly diagnosed in C-Kermit 6.0, and these problems are fixed in C-Kermit 6.1. So I'd recommend you try it and see if there is some improvement: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html : How can we influence the speed between the UNIX server (where kermit is : started in Receive mode) and the Terminal Server ? : (= a TCP/IP connection) ? : Performance tuning is the subject of "Using C-Kermit", Chapter 12. Various types of connections -- such as yours (serial to terminal server, then TCP/IP to host) are discussed throughout the book. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 30 07:32:57 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA27441 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA09933 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 07:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!nntp.abs.net!chippy.visi.com!news-out.visi.com!ptah.visi.com!not-for-mail From: "Teo" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script not working on 95 Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 11:32:45 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.98.4.62 NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 1998 06:32:45 CDT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8935 I have a script that dies on all new Windows95 machines. I apologize for the long post but more info might be of help. Here are the particulars. Kermit for DOS (misc versions) works fine on 386 and 486 and P60,P90s. K-95 version 1.10 thru 1.15 works fine on NT workstations - P200+,and PII-233s We are using Kermit for DG/UX version 5 (but the process dies before connecting) On all P-100 and above in windows95, DOS Kermit and K-95 v1.15 the following happens in the script: 1. we use "OUTPUT AT&Fxxxxxx" (xx is misc RTS info, etc needed for the transfers) to initialize the modem, then "INPUT 15 OK" to wait for the OK prompt. We never get the ok. In our logs that are trapped it appears as if the output is not sent. 2. If step 1 occasionally works (twice) then the next step where we output the number to dial ends up not getting to the modems. If we do this manually with a STOP command to get out - it works fine. We connect and process the information. We have tried different PCs and both versions of Windows95 A and B. We have put in additional PAUSE statements to slow the script down and that still doesn't fix the problems. We have also put multiple output commands, one after the other but it doesn't get to the Modem. We are defining the modems as TAPI but have tried directly to the COM ports also. Any ideas are greatly appreciated. This is a major piece of my customers solution and the users are out in BFE and not intelligent enough to manually enter the output command and then go back to the script. Thanks in advance. Teo leonard iT Business Consulting teo@itbctech.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jun 30 09:36:35 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17880 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16438 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 30 Jun 1998 09:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script not working on 95 Date: 30 Jun 1998 13:36:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-ID: <6napl1$7el$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8936 In article , Teo wrote: : I have a script that dies on all new Windows95 machines. I apologize for : the long post but more info might be of help. Here are the particulars. : : Kermit for DOS (misc versions) works fine on 386 and 486 and P60,P90s. : K-95 version 1.10 thru 1.15 works fine on NT workstations - P200+,and : PII-233s : We are using Kermit for DG/UX version 5 (but the process dies before : connecting) : As you may know, C-Kermit 6.0 is available for DG/UX: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : On all P-100 and above in windows95, DOS Kermit and K-95 v1.15 the following : happens in the script: : : 1. we use "OUTPUT AT&Fxxxxxx" (xx is misc RTS info, etc needed for the : transfers) to initialize the modem, then "INPUT 15 OK" to wait for the OK : prompt. We never get the ok. In our logs that are trapped it appears as if : the output is not sent. : Because you are not using the DIAL command. So the first question is: why aren't you using the DIAL command? If you do not want to use the DIAL command, you have to realize that the modem is not presenting the Carrier Detect signal before a connection has been made, and so Kermit can't communicate with it unless you first tell it to: SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF : Any ideas are greatly appreciated. This is a major piece of my customers : solution and the users are out in BFE and not intelligent enough to manually : enter the output command and then go back to the script. : If you have further questions, send them by e-mail to: kermit-support@columbia.edu for faster service. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Thu Jul 2 17:49:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20286 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA03785 for kermit.misc@watsun; Thu, 2 Jul 1998 17:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.wli.net!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script w/ telnet Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: Thu, 02 Jul 1998 14:41:41 -0700 Organization: Seldom Very Much Lines: 32 Message-ID: <359BFE95.3C09@value.net> References: <359A9A8F.E6F8DB09@shifted-bytes.de> Reply-To: Mark Sapiro NNTP-Posting-Host: d32-ts03.wci.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) To: Michael Agbaglo Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8938 Michael Agbaglo wrote to comp.protocols.kermit: > > How do I make kermit to continue w/ the script after establishing a link > w/ telnet ? > > e.g. > > telnet mail 25 > script foo bar > > kermit stops after executing the 1st line ... I am cross posting this reply to comp.protocols.kermit.misc which is where I think it belongs. The telnet command enters connect mode if successful. Script execution is suspended in connect mode until the user returns to command mode. Thus what you really want is: set network tcp/ip if failure end 1 tcp/ip network not supported set host mail 25 if failure end 1 can't open host: mail 25 ; ; continue script here using 'input' and 'output' commands to communicate ; with host... ; only 'connect' if you really mean it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 3 03:00:31 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA09940 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA01671 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 03:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!worldfeed.gte.net!intgwlon.nntp.telstra.net!vic.news.telstra.net!not-for-mail From: Don Arnison Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 AIX Server Mode idle-timeout doesn't work Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 12:00:02 +1100 Organization: asteris* Lines: 11 Message-ID: <359C2D12.51DB@albury.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.17.235.221 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02Gold (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8939 I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 binary for AIX 4.1 downloaded from your site. According to 2nd edition of Using C-kermit, I should be able to set server idle-timeout, but help set server only has timeout option. What is wrong here, and how can I get the server to timeout if idle more than 60 seconds? Regards, Don From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 3 11:00:20 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04343 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17004 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 AIX Server Mode idle-timeout doesn't work Date: 3 Jul 1998 15:00:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-ID: <6nirm0$3h8$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <359C2D12.51DB@albury.net.au> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8940 In article <359C2D12.51DB@albury.net.au>, Don Arnison wrote: : I have C-Kermit 6.0.192 binary for AIX 4.1 downloaded from your site. : : According to 2nd edition of Using C-kermit, I should be able to set : server idle-timeout, but help set server only has timeout option. : : What is wrong here, and how can I get the server to timeout if idle more : than 60 seconds? : Sorry, this feature is not available in the UNIX version of C-Kermit (as it says in the book "This command, if available in your version of C-Kermit..."). It's still on the list for addition to the UNIX version. Hopefully it will be in C-Kermit 6.1, but no guarantees. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Fri Jul 3 15:18:33 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA20480 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA00640 for kermit.misc@watsun; Fri, 3 Jul 1998 15:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!logbridge.uoregon.edu!su-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!news1.best.com!vnetnews.value.net!not-for-mail From: Mark Sapiro Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - confirm closing of terminal window? Date: Fri, 03 Jul 1998 11:57:54 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Lines: 19 Message-ID: <359D29B2.700C@value.net> References: <359c290f.0@kastagir.senet.com.au> Reply-To: Mark Sapiro NNTP-Posting-Host: op99.value.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8941 arthur.marsh@ties.itu.int wrote: > > Hi, I was typing away writing a letter across a telnet connection > made with K95's dialer and close on disconnect set, when the connection > and my letter disappeared. > > I'd like to be able to have K95 confirm a session close (even "press any > key") so that in the case of unwanted disconnection, the scrollback buffer > could be dumped to a file. Pardon me if I don't understand, but it seems to me you already have what you want. Just don't select "exit on disconnect" in the dialer. Then when disconnect occurs, if you want to exit, type 'q' at the prompt, and if not, type 'view' to return to the terminal screen and capture text or whatever. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 4 01:45:10 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA03356 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA02150 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 01:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: K95 - confirm closing of terminal window? Date: 4 Jul 1998 05:45:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-ID: <6nkfgu$sfc$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <359c290f.0@kastagir.senet.com.au> <359D29B2.700C@value.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8942 In article <359D29B2.700C@value.net>, Mark Sapiro wrote: : arthur.marsh@ties.itu.int wrote: : > : > Hi, I was typing away writing a letter across a telnet connection : > made with K95's dialer and close on disconnect set, when the connection : > and my letter disappeared. : > : > I'd like to be able to have K95 confirm a session close (even "press any : > key") so that in the case of unwanted disconnection, the scrollback buffer : > could be dumped to a file. : : Pardon me if I don't understand, but it seems to me you already have : what you want. Just don't select "exit on disconnect" in the dialer. : Then when disconnect occurs, if you want to exit, type 'q' at the : prompt, and if not, type 'view' to return to the terminal screen and : capture text or whatever. Another approach is the one I use, the "on_exit" macro. Here is my "on_exit" definition. define on_exit { save terminal scrollback d:/kermit/save/terminal-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt save command scrollback d:/kermit/save/command-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt } This saves the command and terminal scrollback buffers whenever the K95 process terminates. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 4 12:18:42 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA01247 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06053 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news-peer.gip.net!news.gsl.net!gip.net!newsfeed.nacamar.de!news.b-1.de.contrib.net!not-for-mail From: Michael Agbaglo Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script programming questions Date: Sat, 04 Jul 1998 18:16:15 +0200 Organization: Ye 'Ol Disorganized NNTPCache groupie Lines: 5 Message-ID: <359E554F.3CF66C56@shifted-bytes.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: yourdan.contrib.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Cache-Post-Path: yourdan.contrib.com!unknown@vanguard.contrib.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8944 1. How can I assign the output of an external command to a variable ? 2. How can I make SCRIPT accepting a string w/ spaces ? e.g. {part two} ? {} will be send :-( 3. How can I log I/O traffic ? TRANSACTION only seems to log my output ... From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Sat Jul 4 12:36:06 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05697 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA06959 for kermit.misc@watsun; Sat, 4 Jul 1998 12:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script programming questions Date: 4 Jul 1998 16:36:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6nllli$gb2$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <359E554F.3CF66C56@shifted-bytes.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8945 In article <359E554F.3CF66C56@shifted-bytes.de>, Michael Agbaglo wrote: : 1. How can I assign the output of an external command to a variable ? : This feature is available in C-Kermit 6.1, currently in Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html and in Kermit 95 1.1.13 and later: \fcommand(external-command). : 2. How can I make SCRIPT accepting a string w/ spaces ? e.g. {part two} : ? {} will be send :-( : See pages 459-460 of "Using C-Kermit". Include ~s or \32 where you want a space. Note: the SCRIPT command is a relic from the very early releases of C-Kermit, kept only for backwards compatibility. It is not very flexible or powerful, or easy to use. The newer methods, documented in chapters 17 through 19 of the manual, are recommended instead. : 3. How can I log I/O traffic ? TRANSACTION only seems to log my output : As explained in the manual, use LOG SESSION for this. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 6 17:08:43 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21532 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA09779 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newspeer.monmouth.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.ra.rockwell.com!sjanich@mke.ab.com From: Petre Scheie Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: sending commands to CONNECT Date: Mon, 06 Jul 1998 14:06:35 -0500 Organization: Rockwell Automation-DataMyte Lines: 23 Message-ID: <35A1203B.165AF584@ra.rockwell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 130.151.18.141 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8947 I'm using Kermit to talk to a device that monitors who goes in and out of the building. The device is designed to talk to a terminal, so I've got a Linux box connected to it. Everything works fine if I connect to the device with Kermit and issue commands to the device when in CONNECT mode. I can run some reports and the output from those scrolls across the screen and are sent to a session log file. But I want to use a cron job to run the reports. I've got the commands all in a file and they seem to get sent to the device, but until I CONNECT, the output from the deivce doesn't seem to go anywhere. If I send the command file to the device, then do a CONNECT, all the commands and responses appear on the screen, as if they are buffered somewhere. If I turn the session log on I can capture this to a file. But to automate this I need to be able to then send a Ctrl-\C to Kermit to get back to command mode. Anyone know how to do this? Or have any idea about why I can't redirect the output from the device that seems to be coming to Kermit into a file? I've tried some redirection to files, but nothing ever gets there. The only way I've been able to get the output to a file is with the LOG SESS FILE command, but CONNECT has to be used for that to work, and then I'm back to my original problem. Thanks for any help. Petre Scheie pmscheie@ra.rockwell.com From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Mon Jul 6 17:21:11 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23884 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA10380 for kermit.misc@watsun; Mon, 6 Jul 1998 17:21:10 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: sending commands to CONNECT Date: 6 Jul 1998 21:21:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-ID: <6nrf42$8o9$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <35A1203B.165AF584@ra.rockwell.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8948 In article <35A1203B.165AF584@ra.rockwell.com>, Petre Scheie wrote: : I'm using Kermit to talk to a device that monitors who goes in and out : of the building. The device is designed to talk to a terminal, so I've : got a Linux box connected to it. Everything works fine if I connect to : the device with Kermit and issue commands to the device when in CONNECT : mode. I can run some reports and the output from those scrolls across : the screen and are sent to a session log file. But I want to use a cron : job to run the reports. I've got the commands all in a file and they : seem to get sent to the device, but until I CONNECT, the output from the : deivce doesn't seem to go anywhere. If I send the command file to the : device, then do a CONNECT, all the commands and responses appear on the : screen, as if they are buffered somewhere. If I turn the session log on : I can capture this to a file. But to automate this I need to be able to : then send a Ctrl-\C to Kermit to get back to command mode. Anyone know : how to do this? Or have any idea about why I can't redirect the output : from the device that seems to be coming to Kermit into a file? I've : tried some redirection to files, but nothing ever gets there. The only : way I've been able to get the output to a file is with the LOG SESS FILE : command, but CONNECT has to be used for that to work, and then I'm back : to my original problem. Thanks for any help. : It sounds like you need the manual, "Using C-Kermit": http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html Chapters 17-19 are devoted to script programming. Chapter 8 is devoted to CONNECT mode. When the CONNECT command is active, C-Kermit acts like a terminal. Scripts execute when the CONNECT command is *not* active. Instead of CONNECT, use the INPUT and OUTPUT commands to interact with the remote device. It's all explained in the manual, with profuse examples. - Frank From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 7 00:22:17 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA24895 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02759 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 00:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!ultraneo.neosoft.com!news-feeder.onramp.net!rice!brazos.is.rice.edu!riddle From: riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) Newsgroups: alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Subject: NT<-> HP100LX serial file transfer with INTERLNK? Alternatives? Date: 7 Jul 1998 04:10:49 GMT Organization: Rice University, Shoal Creek campus Lines: 24 Message-ID: <6ns749$j7l$1@joe.rice.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: brazos.is.rice.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp:10978 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8949 comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc:242282 I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no Connectivity Pack. I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop. I have INTERLNK.EXE and INTERSVR.EXE on my HP100LX, and I've used them in the past for convenient file transfer to desktop DOS and Windows machines. But I haven't been able to use Interlink to connect to the NT. I found a copy of INTERLNK/INTERSVR in an OLDDOS.EXE distribution, but they appear not to work properly under NT. When I try to run INTERSVR or INTERLNK, I get a series of error messages about their inability to access ports COM1 through COM4, followed by a message stating that the program failed because it tried to access 16-bit library files. So, is there an implementation of INTERLNK/INTERSVR which will work on Windows NT? And if not, can anyone suggest alternatives? (The HP100LX also has kermit and zmodem, but I haven't been able to find a free kermit or zmodem implementation for NT that I can make sense of.) Thanks. -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 7 19:08:22 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA24702 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA01705 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 19:08:20 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!fireeater.panix.com!cam-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.bbnplanet.com!europa.clark.net!206.55.3.15!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: mightbe_peterw@clark.net.foo.com (PeterW att clark .net) Newsgroups: alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Solaris<->HP100LX serial file transfer? Date: 7 Jul 1998 23:04:38 GMT Organization: NewsReader/2 for OS/2 Warp v. 4 Lines: 26 Message-ID: <6nu9i6$d55$1@clarknet.clark.net> References: <6ns749$j7l$1@joe.rice.edu> <6ntitj$jq$1@joe.rice.edu> Reply-To: bogus-user@anti-spam.net (PeterW att clark .net) NNTP-Posting-Host: peterw.clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp:10986 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8950 In <6ntitj$jq$1@joe.rice.edu>, riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) writes: >I'm trying to do file transfers from my HP 100LX to my desktop Sun >Ultra running Solaris 2.6. I have CKermit, a serial cable and a spare >serial port on my Sun. So far nothing I've tried has gotten one >machine to show any sign of recognizing the other. It is, I hope, a "null-modem" cable, with appropriate lines crossed (not a straight modem cable). You should be able to point a minicom-like terminal app on the Sun at the serial device and use Datacomm on the HP to confirm operation by typing on the Sun and seeing that it appears on the palmtop. Once that's done, visit my site to get Andreas Garzotto's LXTOOLS, Ed Falk's LXBACKUP, and possibly my Tcl/Tk file manager GUI. Note I've never tried the Solaris binaries, as I don't have a Sparc workstation. You can always grab lxtools-1.1a-Tkb.tar.gz and recompile yourself... http://www.clark.net/~peterw/LXFileman/info.htm -Peter ---------------------------------------------------------------- - OS/2 Warp 4 - peterw*clark.net - Linux/X-Windows - - Technology is only as good as the good it does. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- From news@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu Tue Jul 7 20:13:05 1998 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA02626 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA04928 for kermit.misc@watsun; Tue, 7 Jul 1998 20:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!howland.erols.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!not-for-mail From: Indusekhar Peddibhotla Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for Redhat Linux Date: Tue, 07 Jul 1998 19:06:23 -0500 Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, Iowa, USA Lines: 31 Message-ID: <35A2B7FF.8CBA678B@eng.iastate.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: locutus.ee.iastate.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3CE3C38784E2D75058FF2CD4" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (X11; I; IRIX 6.3 IP32) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:8951 --------------3CE3C38784E2D75058FF2CD4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Can anybody tell me where I can get kermit protocol for Redhat linux? Can I get it at the Redhat site? Thanks indu --------------3CE3C38784E2D75058FF2CD4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi
Can anybody tell me where I can get kermit protocol for Redhat linux? Can I get it at the Redhat site?

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In article <6nu9i6$d55$1@clarknet.clark.net>,
PeterW att clark .net  wrote:
: In <6ntitj$jq$1@joe.rice.edu>, riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) writes:
: 
: >I'm trying to do file transfers from my HP 100LX to my desktop Sun
: >Ultra running Solaris 2.6.  I have CKermit, a serial cable and a spare
: >serial port on my Sun.  So far nothing I've tried has gotten one
: >machine to show any sign of recognizing the other.
: 
: It is, I hope, a "null-modem" cable, with appropriate lines crossed (not a 
: straight modem cable).
: 
What operating system is running on the HP-100LX, and what communications
software are you using on it?  If it is DOS, you can use MS-DOS Kermit and
a null modem cable, and then assuming you have a getty on the Sun serial
port, you should be able to log in on the Sun and transfer files between
C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit in the normal manner.

You can also go in the other direction, using C-Kermit to "set line" to
your spare serial port, where MS-DOS Kermit is waiting in server on the
other end of the wire.

Obviously, the serial speeds on each end must match, and for best results
you should also "set flow rts/cts" on both ends (this requires RTS and CTS
wires in the cable, crossed over).

- Frank

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In article <35A2B7FF.8CBA678B@eng.iastate.edu>,
Indusekhar Peddibhotla   wrote:
: Can anybody tell me where I can get kermit protocol for Redhat linux?
: 
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

In it, you'll find a pointer to a Red Hat install package (RPM).

- Frank

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In article
<_YHUGNXS_081010_JUL_98__jG9ffEVH*/S=YHUGNXS/O=typeb/ADMD=sitamail/C=ww/_@MHS>,
Somebody wrote:
: 
: > While its possible to use a tool like C-Kermit or other scripting tools
: > to send numeric pages it is not very reliable. If the line is busy, the
: > call takes a long time complete, you don't get a clean connection, the
: > modem gets into a bad state and needs to be reset, etc etc you might not
: > get the page. Also some of these things like "quiet" answer work
: > differently on different modems.
:
C-Kermit redials automatically until the call is answered, and it knows
about all different kinds of modems.  C-Kermit can send a numeric page as
well as any other software can.

: > It is much more reliable to use a product like our SFAX product that
: > uses the TAP protocol.
:
Or any other product that can send Alpha pages using TAP, such as C-Kermit.
However, you can't send an Alpha page to a numeric pager, so when somebody
says they need to send a numeric page, they very well might have a good
reason for saying so.

: > This protocol guarantees that the paging
: > service has your message in their system. It includes things like ACKs
: > and NAKs, and checksums. TAP is useful and preferred even for numeric-
: > only pagers; you don't have to have an alpha pager to use it. 
: 
That's exactly what C-Kermit does when you use it to send an Alpha page.

More about C-Kermit at:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

And, specifically about paging:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html#pagers

: I spent my own money to buy the C-Kermit manual and the CD-ROM in an
: attempt to show how paging would improve our service. I can use Expect
: with Linux to do the same thing.
: 
Or C-Kermit.  For those who are not aware, C-Kermit runs not only on VOS,
but also on Linux and all other varieties of UNIX (hundreds of them), as
well as VMS, AOS/VS, and many other platforms, and so therefore the exact
same procedures can be used to send pages, make connections, transfer files,
and so forth, and the scripting language is identical from platform to
platform.  You can use it for serial connections, for TCP/IP connections, 
and X.25 connections.  Learn it once, use it everywhere for many purposes.

If you are having trouble sending pages with C-Kermit, or using any of its
other functions, you are welcome to send a report by email to:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

- Frank

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On the Sun side, you may have to open the box and switch a jumper
to make the serial port RS232 rather than RS432.  I had to do this
to connect a Dell PC to a Sparc IPC (over a null-modem cable).

- Stew

>What operating system is running on the HP-100LX, and what communications
>software are you using on it?  If it is DOS, you can use MS-DOS Kermit and
>a null modem cable, and then assuming you have a getty on the Sun serial
>port, you should be able to log in on the Sun and transfer files between
>C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit in the normal manner.
>
>You can also go in the other direction, using C-Kermit to "set line" to
>your spare serial port, where MS-DOS Kermit is waiting in server on the
>other end of the wire.
>
>Obviously, the serial speeds on each end must match, and for best results
>you should also "set flow rts/cts" on both ends (this requires RTS and CTS
>wires in the cable, crossed over).
>
>- Frank

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In alt.comp.sys.palmtops.hp Prentiss Riddle  wrote:
>I'm trying to do file transfers from my HP 100LX to my desktop Sun
>Ultra running Solaris 2.6.  I have CKermit, a serial cable and a spare
>serial port on my Sun.  So far nothing I've tried has gotten one
>machine to show any sign of recognizing the other.

The command line below is what I use to do file transfer between my hp100
and my Sparc.

kermit -l /dev/ttya -b 9600 -i


I use the built-in comm program on the hp100. I've never gotten xyzmodem
working but I haven't tried very hard either. The hp100 is set for com1,
8N1, 9600 and kermit as the protocol


Cheers

Dale Borgeson dalebor@yuck.net Minneapolis, MN U.S.A. 


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Go to our website and download Transfile Win200. This is free connectivity
and backup SW that works on NT. All you need is the cable. It talks to the
filer on your 100/200LX, no need for client/server tools for your palmtop!

Kevin Havre

In article <6ns749$j7l$1@joe.rice.edu>,
  riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) wrote:
>
> I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no
> Connectivity Pack.  I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT
> Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop.
>
> I have INTERLNK.EXE and INTERSVR.EXE on my HP100LX, and I've used them
> in the past for convenient file transfer to desktop DOS and Windows
> machines.  But I haven't been able to use Interlink to connect to the
> NT.  I found a copy of INTERLNK/INTERSVR in an OLDDOS.EXE distribution,
> but they appear not to work properly under NT.  When I try to run
> INTERSVR or INTERLNK, I get a series of error messages about their
> inability to access ports COM1 through COM4, followed by a message
> stating that the program failed because it tried to access 16-bit
> library files.
>
> So, is there an implementation of INTERLNK/INTERSVR which will work on
> Windows NT?  And if not, can anyone suggest alternatives?  (The HP100LX
> also has kermit and zmodem, but I haven't been able to find a free
> kermit or zmodem implementation for NT that I can make sense of.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
> -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle
>
>


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Prentise-

Download Transfile Win200 from HP for free!

http://www.hp.com/cposupport/nonjsnav/plmtop.html

All you need is a cable and you can copy files or back up your palmtop.
Works on Win95 and NT very well.

Kevin Havre


In article <6ns749$j7l$1@joe.rice.edu>,
  riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) wrote:
>
> I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no
> Connectivity Pack.  I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT
> Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop.
>
> I have INTERLNK.EXE and INTERSVR.EXE on my HP100LX, and I've used them
> in the past for convenient file transfer to desktop DOS and Windows
> machines.  But I haven't been able to use Interlink to connect to the
> NT.  I found a copy of INTERLNK/INTERSVR in an OLDDOS.EXE distribution,
> but they appear not to work properly under NT.  When I try to run
> INTERSVR or INTERLNK, I get a series of error messages about their
> inability to access ports COM1 through COM4, followed by a message
> stating that the program failed because it tried to access 16-bit
> library files.
>
> So, is there an implementation of INTERLNK/INTERSVR which will work on
> Windows NT?  And if not, can anyone suggest alternatives?  (The HP100LX
> also has kermit and zmodem, but I haven't been able to find a free
> kermit or zmodem implementation for NT that I can make sense of.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
> -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle
>
>

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After logging off from my ISP and leaving kermit, I find that each
line prints over the previous, line feeds are lost.

Don't know if this is kermit or the ISP. Or, indeed, what to do about it.
 
Thanks for any help.


Kirill
 

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In article ,
Kirill Sapelkin  wrote:
: After logging off from my ISP and leaving kermit, I find that each
: line prints over the previous, line feeds are lost.
: 
: Don't know if this is kermit or the ISP. Or, indeed, what to do about it.
:  
What kind of computer are you using?  Running what operating system and
version?  Which Kermit program and version?  Are you using Kermit to make
a directly dialed connection to a shell account on your ISP, or are do you
have a PPP or SLIP connection, and are using Kermit as a Telnet client?

- Frank

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You might be able to simply use the Terminal program that comes with
Windows to do what you want to do.
The company that I work for sells a serial communications tool called
the Software Wedge that also might help do the job. If you are
interested, please visit: http://www.taltech.com



On 7 Jul 1998 04:10:49 GMT, riddle@rice.edu (Prentiss Riddle) wrote:

>I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no
>Connectivity Pack.  I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT
>Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop.
>
>I have INTERLNK.EXE and INTERSVR.EXE on my HP100LX, and I've used them
>in the past for convenient file transfer to desktop DOS and Windows
>machines.  But I haven't been able to use Interlink to connect to the
>NT.  I found a copy of INTERLNK/INTERSVR in an OLDDOS.EXE distribution,
>but they appear not to work properly under NT.  When I try to run
>INTERSVR or INTERLNK, I get a series of error messages about their
>inability to access ports COM1 through COM4, followed by a message
>stating that the program failed because it tried to access 16-bit
>library files.
>
>So, is there an implementation of INTERLNK/INTERSVR which will work on
>Windows NT?  And if not, can anyone suggest alternatives?  (The HP100LX
>also has kermit and zmodem, but I haven't been able to find a free
>kermit or zmodem implementation for NT that I can make sense of.)
>
>Thanks.
>
>-- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
>-- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle


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The standard MSK316 and/or MSK315 run just fine under NT.
They are free.  I log onto a Vax system with no problem,
so you shoudl have no problem with the HP200 and NT.
Rgds.

Prentiss Riddle  wrote in article
<6ns749$j7l$1@joe.rice.edu>...
> I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no
> Connectivity Pack.  I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT
> Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop.
> .....
> Windows NT?  And if not, can anyone suggest alternatives?  (The HP100LX
> also has kermit and zmodem, but I haven't been able to find a free
> kermit or zmodem implementation for NT that I can make sense of.)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -- Prentiss Riddle ("aprendiz de todo, maestro de nada") riddle@rice.edu
> -- Webmaster, Rice University / http://is.rice.edu/~riddle
> 
> 

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HP has a free program for transferring files PC<=>HP100/200 which works
flawlessly under Win NT 4.0.  Go to the following URL and download yourself
a copy:
http://hpcc923.external.hp.com/cposupport/handheld_computers/software/tf103.exe.html

Prentiss Riddle wrote:

> I've got an HP 100LX (HP's palmtop DOS box) with a serial cable but no
> Connectivity Pack.  I want to transfer files from the LX to an NT
> Workstation 4.0 box on my desktop...


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does someone know a small package that is supporting kermit file transfer
protocol and runs on NT. No need for telnet emulation



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In article <35a9d131.0@145.227.194.253>,
Chris Vergoote  wrote:
: does someone know a small package that is supporting kermit file transfer
: protocol and runs on NT. No need for telnet emulation
: 
Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 14:47:04 GMT
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jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
>define on_exit {
> save terminal scrollback d:/kermit/save/terminal-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
> save command scrollback d:/kermit/save/command-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
>}

That's pretty cool! Is there any way to read the command scrollback file
back in, so that one might more easily re-execute commands from the earlier
Kermit session?

-- 
Ron.

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In article <35a8e6ba.30691536@149.174.211.108>,
Ron Heiby  wrote:
: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
: >define on_exit {
: > save terminal scrollback d:/kermit/save/terminal-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
: > save command scrollback d:/kermit/save/command-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
: >}
: 
: That's pretty cool! Is there any way to read the command scrollback file
: back in, so that one might more easily re-execute commands from the earlier
: Kermit session?
: 
Not without editing it to remove the prompt, outputs from K95, etc.

We might also add a "log commands" feature in a future release.

- Frank

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Im experiencing trouble with my kermit dail-up connections to sco unix
machines. I get garbled data transfers and lost connnections.The easiest
example is after Im connected and logged in, if I hold down a key, say 'f' I
get a series of f's on the screen and a lot of other nonsense characters.

I am relatively new to kermit and was wondering if any settings need to be
implimented for kermit to Sco communications. I have no problems on aix or
other unix connections only sco.

For example, what should my modem settings be, and what terminal settings if
any need to be set on the remote side of the communication.

Any ideas or help would be appreciated.

Victor Sturgeon
vsturgeon@intrsoft.com




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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <6od9ct$1he$1@inet01.emsinfo.com>,
Victor Sturgeon  wrote:
: Im experiencing trouble with my kermit dail-up connections to sco unix
: machines. I get garbled data transfers and lost connnections.
:
This can happen on directly dialed connections using non-error-correcting
modems.  If the line is noisy, you'll see noise (garbage characters), and
if it's really bad, the modem might drop the connection because the carrier
signal is not recognizable.

: The easiest example is after Im connected and logged in, if I hold down a
: key, say 'f' I get a series of f's on the screen and a lot of other
: nonsense characters.
: 
The nonsense characters could be noise, or they could be buffer overruns
occurring because of a lack of adequate flow control.

: I am relatively new to kermit and was wondering if any settings need to be
: implimented for kermit to Sco communications. I have no problems on aix or
: other unix connections only sco.
: 
: For example, what should my modem settings be, and what terminal settings
: if any need to be set on the remote side of the communication.
: 
We'll be glad to help.  Please tell us what kind of computer you are making
the connection from, and which Kermit program and version you are using, and
what kind of modem you have, and the speed and flow-control settings in your
Kermit program.

By the way, since this only happens on one connection and not others, the
problem might be on the far end -- the answering modem, or the "stty"
settings in your SCO session.

- Frank

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In article <35a8e6ba.30691536@149.174.211.108>,
Ron Heiby  wrote:
: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:
: >define on_exit {
: > save terminal scrollback d:/kermit/save/terminal-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
: > save command scrollback d:/kermit/save/command-\v(date)-\v(pid).txt
: >}
: 
: That's pretty cool! Is there any way to read the command scrollback file
: back in, so that one might more easily re-execute commands from the earlier
: Kermit session?
: 
: -- 
: Ron.


Easy.  TYPE 

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"Chris Vergoote"  writes:

> does someone know a small package that is supporting kermit file transfer
> protocol and runs on NT. No need for telnet emulation

I have had pretty good luck compiling C-Kermit with the U/Win
package. Note that U/Win requires a separate compiler to work, either
msvc or the free gcc. Note also that the Kermit folks cannot support
C-Kermit on NT/95.

http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

Skip Collins

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In article ,
Bernard Collins   wrote:
: "Chris Vergoote"  writes:
: 
: > does someone know a small package that is supporting kermit file transfer
: > protocol and runs on NT. No need for telnet emulation
: 
: I have had pretty good luck compiling C-Kermit with the U/Win
: package. Note that U/Win requires a separate compiler to work, either
: msvc or the free gcc. Note also that the Kermit folks cannot support
: C-Kermit on NT/95.
: 
: http://www.research.att.com/sw/tools/uwin/
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

And that U/Win is only freely available for research use.  Use for
commercial endeavors requires the purchase of a license.  U/Win is
from David Korn and company at Lucent (Bell Labs).



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Hi,

     I have a problem with some clients who own recent machine and use MS-
Kermit 3.14...  Kermit set the port to BIOS 2 instead of COM 2 randomly.  It
will do it once in a while and the communication will then be impossible to
establish..!  I think the best thing to do will be to
SET COM2 /x2e8 3
SET PORT COM2

or something like it (with the address and the IRQ changed...)

     Have anybody ever got into this problem and now know how to solve this
once for all.??

     Thank you,

          Guillaume Boudreau
          MediSolution Inc.

P.S.  Please reply to gboudrea@hotmail.com

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In article <6ofp1d$8q2$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
  wrote:
: I have a problem with some clients who own recent machine and use MS-
: Kermit 3.14...  Kermit set the port to BIOS 2 instead of COM 2 randomly.  It
: will do it once in a while and the communication will then be impossible to
: establish..!  I think the best thing to do will be to
: SET COM2 /x2e8 3
: SET PORT COM2
: 
: or something like it (with the address and the IRQ changed...)
: 
: Have anybody ever got into this problem and now know how to solve this
: once for all.??
: 
If your clients are using Windows 95/98 or NT or OS/2, they should switch
to Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

Otherwise, you should read the documentation that comes with MS-DOS Kermit.
Pay particular attention to the KERMIT.BWR file, Section 6.

- Frank

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From: heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby)
Subject: Problems w/ 115Kbps Direct Connect - k95xfer.gif (0/1)
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I am having a problem with Kermit-95 1.1.17. I am seeing numerous CRC error,
Retransmission, Bad Sequence Number, etc. errors on the file transfer.
Sometimes, the transfer aborts. Sometimes it goes to completion and claims
to be successful, but the file on disk is damaged.

I am running over a direct serial cable between my desktop (Pentium) and
notebook (486DX4/100). The desktop is running as "server". When I send from
the notebook to the desktop, I have never seen a problem. When I send from
the desktop to the notebook, I am seeing these problems.

Both systems are running Windows 95. I have the serial ports set for 115200,
mode local, modem none, flow rts/cts, handshake none, block check 3. Both
using COM1 internal serial port. I have tried several receive packet lengths
from 9024 down to 1500, and seen these failures. However, when I set the
receive packet length to 1000, I have run about a dozen tests with no
problem.

I tried adding "set receive padding 94", but that seemed to have no effect
on this problem.

Sooooo... I guess I have a work-around: "set receive packet-length 1000"
when operating at high speeds, at least until I replace my notebook with
something faster.

Questions still remaining:

1) Why would I be seeing these problems? Is it some fundamental limitation
of Win95? Could my serial port not have its buffering set properly? Does
Kermit-95 set port buffering, or do I set it via Control Panel / System /
Device Manager? I tried all four settings, but had problems on every one of
them, so that doesn't seem to be it, at least by itself.

2) When these errors happen, why doesn't K95 realize what is going on, and
refrain from putting garbage into the file? Why does it indicate successful
completion of the transfer when there are bytes missing from the file? This
one is most disturbing.

3) What the heck am *I* doing wrong (if anything)?

Here is a screen capture of my Kermit-95 window from one of the more (but
not completely) successful tests at packet size 8000. Note that K95 reports
that the transfer was successful, but that the number of bytes listed in the
success report does not match the file size. The number of bytes in the
success report is the number K95 wrote to the file. The number of bytes in
the file size is the number of bytes that are *supposed* to be in the file.

Thanks!


-- 
Ron.

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Starman wrote:
> 
> I a looking for a version of XMODEM that will work with KERMIT 6. on a
> SCO 5.2 system. I have tried download the new version of XMODEM from
> www.omen.com. but I can not get it to work.

You need to dowload an earlier version of sz and rz (which are linked to
sx and rx).  
For SCO you can get them in TLS025 at ftp://ftp.sco.com/TLS/tls025.tar.Z

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In article <35acb87b.1654633@149.174.211.108>,
Ron Heiby  wrote:
: I am having a problem with Kermit-95 1.1.17. I am seeing numerous CRC error,
: Retransmission, Bad Sequence Number, etc. errors on the file transfer.
: Sometimes, the transfer aborts. Sometimes it goes to completion and claims
: to be successful, but the file on disk is damaged.
: 
: I am running over a direct serial cable between my desktop (Pentium) and
: notebook (486DX4/100). The desktop is running as "server". When I send from
: the notebook to the desktop, I have never seen a problem. When I send from
: the desktop to the notebook, I am seeing these problems.
: 
: Both systems are running Windows 95. I have the serial ports set for 115200,
: mode local, modem none, flow rts/cts, handshake none, block check 3. Both
: using COM1 internal serial port. I have tried several receive packet lengths
: from 9024 down to 1500, and seen these failures. However, when I set the
: receive packet length to 1000, I have run about a dozen tests with no
: problem.

Sounds like one of the following:

 . the laptop does not have a buffered UART

 . the cable you are using does not have the proper flow control wires

 . one of the UARTs is defective.
 
: I tried adding "set receive padding 94", but that seemed to have no effect
: on this problem.

This would have no impact on the problem.

: Sooooo... I guess I have a work-around: "set receive packet-length 1000"
: when operating at high speeds, at least until I replace my notebook with
: something faster.

That is the correct solution.  Decrease the packet length and increase
the window size.

: Questions still remaining:
: 
: 1) Why would I be seeing these problems? Is it some fundamental limitation
: of Win95? Could my serial port not have its buffering set properly? Does
: Kermit-95 set port buffering, or do I set it via Control Panel / System /
: Device Manager? I tried all four settings, but had problems on every one of
: them, so that doesn't seem to be it, at least by itself.

Port buffering is inherent to the serial device and may be controlled
on a system wide basis from the control panel.  K95 does not attempt
to adjust the hardware settings of the device.

: 2) When these errors happen, why doesn't K95 realize what is going on, and
: refrain from putting garbage into the file? Why does it indicate successful
: completion of the transfer when there are bytes missing from the file? This
: one is most disturbing.

You would need to perform a comparison on the file to see what kind of
damage has occured.  Kermit will notice if there is a damaged packet
such that the block check fails.  However, if the file type is set
incorrectly a binary file will be damaged.  Or a gif file may appear
to be damaged if it is truncated.  Again, an examination of the source
and destination files would be necessary.  If this problem is
reproducible we would also want to see debug and packet logs from both
sides of the connection so that we could fix the problem.

: 3) What the heck am *I* doing wrong (if anything)?
: 
: Here is a screen capture of my Kermit-95 window from one of the more (but
: not completely) successful tests at packet size 8000. Note that K95 reports
: that the transfer was successful, but that the number of bytes listed in the
: success report does not match the file size. The number of bytes in the
: success report is the number K95 wrote to the file. The number of bytes in
: the file size is the number of bytes that are *supposed* to be in the file.

It sounds like K95 is detecting the failure and terminating the transfer
but printing the wrong message to the screen.  What do these commands 
report after an unsuccessful transfer:

  SHOW STATUS       -> should be FAILURE
  STATISTICS        -> should also report failure

: Thanks!

What does the other side of the connection report?  Do they both agree
that the transfer was successful?

All followup to kermit-support@columbia.edu

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I need a copy of K95 immediately.  I placed an order on 7-6-98 with
Bookmasters, but just found out that they don't have any.

I need another copy fast.  Does anyone know who might have some in stock?

-Glenn Sherman


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In article <6oikl5$nhe$1@mozart.jlc.net>,
Glenn Sherman  wrote:
: 
: I need a copy of K95 immediately.  I placed an order on 7-6-98 with
: Bookmasters, but just found out that they don't have any.
: 
: I need another copy fast.  Does anyone know who might have some in stock?
: 
We'll contact you directly about this.

- Frank

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In <35ACCC0A.1DFC@yahoo.com> "Art L."  writes:

>Starman wrote:
>> 
>> I a looking for a version of XMODEM that will work with KERMIT 6. on a
>> SCO 5.2 system. I have tried download the new version of XMODEM from
>> www.omen.com. but I can not get it to work.

>You need to dowload an earlier version of sz and rz (which are linked to
>sx and rx).  
>For SCO you can get them in TLS025 at ftp://ftp.sco.com/TLS/tls025.tar.Z

If you have, or know someone who has the Garth & Nemeth Unix System
Administration book (The new edition with the red cover) the versions of
rs/sz included on the CD that comes with the book are the older versions
that allow their standard input and output to be redirected. I have
successfully compiled and used these versions under C-Kermit on a variety
of platforms....And the Solaris 1 binaries also run sucessfully on Solaris
2 systems...

Regards, 
Mike Gebhardt
ReadQ Systems, Inc.

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Small problem with my arrow keys...

Got direct serial connection to a UNIX box using VT320/220 and everything's
almost fine, except some of the keys...
I tried the standard key 'numbers' at the back of the book to map to the
\KUpArr etc. but to no avail - when I use the arrow keys it asks me if I
want to exit the unix program I'm running.
(Character set used is ISO-Latin1)

WHat are the correct set key commands for this?

Cheers,

Fergus.

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In article <6okifb$ijr$1@nclient1-gui.server.virgin.net>,
Fergus Strachan  wrote:
: Small problem with my arrow keys...
: 
: Got direct serial connection to a UNIX box using VT320/220 and everything's
: almost fine, except some of the keys...
: I tried the standard key 'numbers' at the back of the book to map to the
: \KUpArr etc. but to no avail - when I use the arrow keys it asks me if I
: want to exit the unix program I'm running.
: (Character set used is ISO-Latin1)
: 
: WHat are the correct set key commands for this?
: 
The terminal program should be emulating the same kind of terminal that the
host thinks it is, and then if the host application is coded correctly,
arrow keys should "just work".  However, with VT terminals, there are a
couple extra considerations:

 1. You might need to tell Kermit to "set terminal bytesize 8" (you probably
    have done this already if you are using Latin-1).

 2. The arrow keys can be in one of two "modes".  It is the host
    application's responsibility to ensure that the right mode is selected.
    However, many host applications fail to do this and just assume the
    arrow (cursor) keypad is in a particular mode.

The command to force Kermit's arrow keypad into a particular mode is:

  SET TERMINAL ARROW-KEYS { APPLICATION, CURSOR }

For further details, see the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

Item 23.

- Frank

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Fergus Strachan (fergus.strachan@virgin.net) wrote:
: Small problem with my arrow keys...

: Got direct serial connection to a UNIX box using VT320/220 and everything's
: almost fine, except some of the keys...
: I tried the standard key 'numbers' at the back of the book to map to the
: \KUpArr etc. but to no avail - when I use the arrow keys it asks me if I
: want to exit the unix program I'm running.

That is an indication that the program is seeing the ESC character at the
start of the string, and recognizing it as an escape, without waiting to
see if the next character is part of a control sequence.

I went through some major rewrite of the curses library for SVR3 in this
area when I was in kernel support.  Most Unix boxes have a hard time with
the timing, especially if any buffering is involved, like TCP, or
high-speed modems, or even buffered UARTs in the host box, that might
"split" packets between the ESC and the [

This is aside from the clues that Frank gives in another reply, but it
could be that your Unix box is the problem.  Does it happen at different
baud rates?  I vaguely recall that there were some speed-based parameters
in the code.

Go to a Unix shell prompt.
	od -c 
	 
	ctrl-d

0000000  033   [   C  \r

In my case, this indicates that a right arrow is producing an ESC, followed
by a left bracket and C.

infocmp 	(some lines deleted)
AT386|at386|386AT|386at|at/386 console,
	kclr=\E[2J, kcub1=\E[D, kcud1=\E[B, kcuf1=\E[C,
	kcuu1=\E[A, kdch1=\E[P, kend=\E[Y, kf1=\EOP,

infocmp tells me what Unix is expecting from my terminal, which is defined
as an AT386.  \E[C is for "key-cursor-forward-mode1", you can see A,B,C,D
described as up,down,forward,back.

So my arrow keys match what Unix expects.  If this wasn't true, there would
be work to do.  If it is true, and the keys don't work, especially if they
work intermittently, the curses library is probably at fault.

Function keys have the same problem, a sequence starting with an ESC, which
is used by a lot of programs for escaping from a particular screen.
In the short sample above, kf1 is function key 1.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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Hello,

while trying the script language for connections through
several tcp hosts, isdn dialup devices, etc. i have the
following problem:

Is it possible to drop an expensive connection if the user
(or the line) is idle for n seconds? I am looking for
a command like "set connect idle-timeout 600". The connections
are used for terminal I/O only (no filetransfers).

I've found nothing in the german translated Kermit Book
from Heise, the english version is ordered, but the bookstore
told me to wait several weeks for the book to arrive.

My Kermit is a "C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96".

Thorsten

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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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In article <6on9ha$ulb$1@actisl.actis.de>,
Thorsten Kuehnemann  wrote:
: Hello,
: 
: while trying the script language for connections through
: several tcp hosts, isdn dialup devices, etc. i have the
: following problem:
: 
: Is it possible to drop an expensive connection if the user
: (or the line) is idle for n seconds? I am looking for
: a command like "set connect idle-timeout 600". The connections
: are used for terminal I/O only (no filetransfers).
: 
: I've found nothing in the german translated Kermit Book
: from Heise, the english version is ordered, but the bookstore
: told me to wait several weeks for the book to arrive.
: 
: My Kermit is a "C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96".
: 
: Thorsten

This functionality is not currently implemented in Unix C-Kermit.
It is implemented in Kermit 95 for Win95/98/NT/OS2.  From the online
help:

Syntax: CONNECT (or C, or CQ) [ switches ]

Connect to a remote computer via the serial communications device given in
the most recent SET PORT command, or to the network host named in the most
recent SET HOST command.  Type the escape character followed by C to get
back to the C-Kermit prompt, or followed by ? for a list of CONNECT-mode
escape commands.  You can also assign the \Kexit verb to the key or
key-combination of your choice; by default it is assigned to Alt-x.

Other switches include:

/TRIGGER:string
  One or more strings to look for that will cause automatic return to
  command mode.  To specify one string, just put it right after the
  colon, e.g. "/TRIGGER:Goodbye".  If the string contains any spaces, you
  must enclose it in braces, e.g. "/TRIGGER:{READY TO SEND...}".  To
  specify more than one trigger, use the following format:

    /TRIGGER:{{string1}{string2}...{stringn}}

  Upon return from CONNECT mode, the variable \v(trigger) is set to the
  trigger string, if any, that was actually encountered.  This value, like
  all other CONNECT switches applies only to the CONNECT command with which
  it is given, and overrides (temporarily) any global SET TERMINAL TRIGGER
  string that might be in effect.

/IDLE-LIMIT:number
  The number of seconds of idle time, after which Kermit returns
  automatically to command mode; default 0 (no limit).

/IDLE-INTERVAL:number
  The number of seconds of idle time, after which Kermit automatically
  transmits the idle string.

/IDLE-STRING:string
  The string to transmit whenever the idle interval has passed.

/TIME-LIMIT:number
  The maximum number of seconds for which the CONNECT session may last.
  The default is 0 (no limit).  If a nonzero number is given, Kermit returns
  automatically to command mode after this many seconds.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article <6onime$8ad$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman  wrote:
: In article <6on9ha$ulb$1@actisl.actis.de>,
: Thorsten Kuehnemann  wrote:
: : ...
: : Is it possible to drop an expensive connection if the user
: : (or the line) is idle for n seconds? I am looking for
: : a command like "set connect idle-timeout 600". The connections
: : are used for terminal I/O only (no filetransfers).
: : ...
: : My Kermit is a "C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96".
: : 
: This functionality is not currently implemented in Unix C-Kermit.
:
It's on the list of possible additions for C-Kermit 6.1:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

- Frank

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On 17 Jule 1998, Thorsten Kuehnemann wrote:
>
> Is it possible to drop an expensive connection if the user
> (or the line) is idle for n seconds? I am looking for
> a command like "set connect idle-timeout 600". The connections
> are used for terminal I/O only (no filetransfers).


It would be helpful if you said what kind of system the users
are connected to.  Some operating systems (e.g., Stratus VOS)
can do this sort of thing for you.

If your users are connecting to Unix systems, you might be able
to use Mike Crider's "idled" program to cause dropping of idle
connections:

    http://www.darkwing.com/idled/

 ...Richard S. Shuford
    Stratus Computer, Inc.
    Americas Customer Service
    Marlboro, Massachusetts

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I have created a .ksc file in my home dir on a HPUX system and have
tried with no luck to get it to work.  When I type "list" followed by
the service name I get the following message:

Lookup: "drtn099" - not found
?Macro name required

The following is the contents of my .ksd file:

drnt099 unixlogin rlo7700 net tcp/ip 133.137.185.184

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <35B4DCD6.7F0B@SW.Boeing.com>,
Richard Osborn   wrote:
: I have created a .ksc file in my home dir on a HPUX system and have
: tried with no luck to get it to work.  When I type "list" followed by
: the service name I get the following message:
: 
: Lookup: "drtn099" - not found
: ?Macro name required
: 
: The following is the contents of my .ksd file:
: 
: drnt099 unixlogin rlo7700 net tcp/ip 133.137.185.184
:
The name of the services directory file is supposed to be .ksd (not .ksc).

- Frank

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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
> In article <35B4DCD6.7F0B@SW.Boeing.com>,
> Richard Osborn   wrote:
> : I have created a .ksc file in my home dir on a HPUX system and have
> : tried with no luck to get it to work.  When I type "list" followed by
> : the service name I get the following message:
> :
> : Lookup: "drtn099" - not found
> : ?Macro name required
> :
> : The following is the contents of my .ksd file:
> :
> : drnt099 unixlogin rlo7700 net tcp/ip 133.137.185.184
> :
> The name of the services directory file is supposed to be .ksd (not .ksc).
> 
> - Frank

I don't believe the problem is is the naming of the services directory
file.  While it is not clear from the original report which name was
used, the error message indicates a services directory file is present. 
If not, the message is "Services directory not available." or "?No
kewords match - list".

In the HPUX systems which I have access to, the problem is that the
global ckermit.ini file is a preliminary 5A(190) file dated Aug 20, 1994
which has a LOOKUP macro definition which appears to not work.  The
avoidance is to copy the 6.0.192 ckermit.ini file from
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckermit.ini to $HOME/.kermrc and
start kermit with the command "kermit -y .kermrc".

The following shows the different results:

fog: {16} $ kermit
Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX...
 Services directory is /home_mo/msapiro/.ksd
Executing /home_mo/msapiro/.mykermrc...
Good Afternoon!
C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1996,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
Type ? or HELP for help.
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>list
8 items in services directory:
XXVMA      vmlinelogin olaf     serial /dev/ttyh8 9600
XXVMB      vmfullogin  olaf     call hayes /dev/cua 2400 765-4321
CUMIN      vmslogin    olaf     net  tcp/ip cumin
WATSUN     unixlogin   olaf     net  tcp/ip watsun.cc.columbia.edu
COMPUSERVE cislogin    000,0000 call hayes /dev/cua 2400 876-5432
DJNR       djnrsprint  xxxx     call hayes /dev/cua 2400 741-8100
GEOGRAPHY  nologin     xxxx     net  tcp/ip 141.212.99.9:3000
CONGRESS   nologin     xxxx     net  tcp/ip dra.com
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>list DJNR
 Lookup: "DJNR" - not found
DJNR: Not found
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>q
fog: {17} $ kermit -y .kermrc
Executing .kermrc for UNIX...
 Services directory is /home_mo/msapiro/.ksd
Executing /home_mo/msapiro/.mykermrc...
Good Afternoon!
C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00
 Copyright (C) 1985, 1996,
  Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
Type ? or HELP for help.
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>list
8 items in services directory:
XXVMA      vmlinelogin olaf     serial /dev/ttyh8 9600
XXVMB      vmfullogin  olaf     call hayes /dev/cua 2400 765-4321
CUMIN      vmslogin    olaf     net  tcp/ip cumin
WATSUN     unixlogin   olaf     net  tcp/ip watsun.cc.columbia.edu
COMPUSERVE cislogin    000,0000 call hayes /dev/cua 2400 876-5432
DJNR       djnrsprint  xxxx     call hayes /dev/cua 2400 741-8100
GEOGRAPHY  nologin     xxxx     net  tcp/ip 141.212.99.9:3000
CONGRESS   nologin     xxxx     net  tcp/ip dra.com
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>list DJNR
DJNR       djnrsprint  xxxx     call hayes /dev/cua 2400 741-8100
[/home_mo/msapiro] C-Kermit>q
fog: {18} $

-- 
Mark Sapiro        The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use your sense - B. Dylan

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Hi,

I am using Kermit95 to develop an automated file transfer application.
The application is to be used on machines running WindowsNT Server 4.0
(with Service Pack 3).  The application sits and waits for incoming
files, currently from a remote dial-in source connecting via PPP/RAS.
Since this is an automated application, we want to cause the Kermit
server to time-out and shut down if a connection to it is idle for more
than a specified langth of time.  Under version 1.1.13, the SET SERVER
IDLE-TIMEOUT xxx command worked reasonably well.  Under version 1.1.17,
no matter what value we use for the idle-timeout duration, the Kermit
server on the receiving side stays up until it recieves a hangup or
equivalent command to break the connection.  The server promptly exits
after such a command and registers if  the timeout value was exceded.
Is there some other option that must be set to get this to work in
version 1.1.17?  We are currently exploring whether the tcp/ip KeepAlive
settings under NT Server are causing the Kermit server to remain on.

Also, we cannot get the REMOTE LOGIN userID pwd command (issued on the
side sending files to the remote server) to return a failure on an
invalid login attempt.  Whether the id /pwd used are accepted by the
remote server or not, the command returns a status of SUCCESS.

Any help with these problems would be greatly appreciated.
Michael C. Smith



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In article <35B78140.947E2537@sonalysts.com>,
Michael C. Smith  wrote:
: Hi,
: 
: I am using Kermit95 to develop an automated file transfer application.
: The application is to be used on machines running WindowsNT Server 4.0
: (with Service Pack 3).  The application sits and waits for incoming
: files, currently from a remote dial-in source connecting via PPP/RAS.


I am very unclear about your configuration.  Is K95 listening to 
for incoming connections with 

  SET NET TYPE TCP/IP
  SET HOST * 

or

  K95D

or 

  answering an incoming phone call

Please follow-up to kermit-support@columbia.edu


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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I am having trouble with stuck file transmissions.  I am trying MSKERMIT
(versions 3.15 and 3.16 alpha) between 2 Win95 machines (the intended
machines will probably be MS-DOS).
I am running one in server mode and the other dials in and initiates
transfers.
It seems to work fairly well except when I send a large file to the
server, the transmission
seems to get stuck at the very end with both sides just sitting there
doing nothing.  This will happen about half of the time.  After waiting
for about 45 seconds, I hit  to retry on either side and the
transmission quickly finishes.   As I am trying to write scripts to
completely automate file transmission, this is a little inconvenient.
Any ideas?  I am using a window size of 31 and a packet size of 512,
file type is BINARY.  Following is the debug dump of packets sent
(captured from the caller's side) at the very end of the transmission:
Thanks,
Peter Miller
pm@thedvi.com

Spack: ^A YD%=?FG;>~7Ru~p~C#~I#NOR3~v3#~?~6#~@~v~V#~J~V~1#DFRQ#~J~,iRF
"~j2~d#~J#~DiRF"~B~1#F~S~`#~J~M2~m3~R#C~A~9#B#@~w~qYZ#~I#~E#@=#~C~G#B#
~~~I#~~~Iu~N;>ORu~E~C#~I#NOR3~v3#~?~6#~@~v~V#~J~VQ~9#B#@Q#~J~$iR2~@F"~b
3~I~1#G~S~`P2~@#~J~$iRF~1#A~S~hY#K~AP#~J#~DiRF2~dY#K~A#~I#~E#@=GGY~b~M
230          108314 of 31
Spack: ^A ZD"CC+#~?v#N#~?v#F#~P#N~hk~O#~IF~|#~A#~~|~ #@|(#~Z+v~V+#~?v#
N#~Z~(q~V+#~MF~|P#~?v#L#~?v#H#~?v#F3~@P#~P#N~h#~R~d~FF~z#A~k"#~?v#N~8#
Q#@P~8cr#^P#~Z#~Gs~V+#~?v#N#~MF~z#^P#~ZBv~V+~FF~z#@~vF~z#Au#W~8#P#@P~8
urP#~Z~HN~V+#~MF~x#^P#~ZUl~V+#~JF~z#~HF#~~#~KF#~~^_#~K~e]~J#J#@U#~K~l#
5          108415 of 31
                             << LAST FULL PACKET FROM SENDER ABOVE
Spack: ^A%[Z/ &^M            << FINAL PACKET FROM SENDER

Rpack: ^A%MY /<^M            << RECEIVER IS FINISHING UP ACK OF WINDOWED
PACKETS

Rpack: ^A%NY"FT^M
Rpack: ^A%OY#!L^M
Rpack: ^A%PY"8U^M
Rpack: ^A%QY#_M^M
Rpack: ^A%RY!6%^M
Rpack: ^A%SY Q=^M
Rpack: ^A%TY$%5^M
Rpack: ^A%UY%B-^M
Rpack: ^A%VY'+E^M
Rpack: ^A%WY&L]^M
Rpack: ^A%XY.CU^M
Rpack: ^A%YY/$M^M
Rpack: ^A%ZY-M%^M                << THIS APPEARS TO BE THE LAST
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Rpack:                           << I HIT  TO RETRY ON SENDER'S
SIDE

110841 of 31

Spack: ^A%[Z/ &^M                << COMMUNICATION CONTINUES

Rpack: ^A%[Y,*=^M
1085

Spack: ^A%\B"''^M

Rpack: ^A%[Y,*=^M

Rpack: ^A%\Y(^5^M
Completed                         << NOW ITS DONE
 File chars/sec: 1,788  Efficiency (38400 b/s): 47%



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In article <35B8CB68.7C348BE3@teleport.com>,
Peter Miller  wrote:
: I am having trouble with stuck file transmissions.  I am trying MSKERMIT
: (versions 3.15 and 3.16 alpha) between 2 Win95 machines (the intended
: machines will probably be MS-DOS).
:
You will probably get better results if you test it under DOS, where it
is intended to run.  Please do that and if the problem continues, follow
up to kermit-support@columbia.edu.

- Frank

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	I was wondering if there is a way to use the mail command to
send a batch of messages with the To: and Subject: header embedded at
the top of the file.

  eg 
    Kermit>mail *.mai
  where
    1.mai
  was
     To: buffoon@baboon.org
     Subject: Buffooneries

       Dear Buffoon,
         Please Behave!
       Regards
   &cetera


				- = -
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In article <6peqob$1a4@enews4.newsguy.com>,
Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier
 wrote:
: I was wondering if there is a way to use the mail command to
: send a batch of messages with the To: and Subject: header embedded at
: the top of the file.
: 
:   eg 
:     Kermit>mail *.mai
:   where
:     1.mai
:   was
:      To: buffoon@baboon.org
:      Subject: Buffooneries
: 
:        Dear Buffoon,
:          Please Behave!
:        Regards
:    &cetera
: 
There is no built-in way for Kermit to extract the mail headers from 
the file.  The latest versions of C-Kermit and K-95 include an improved
mail-sending command:

  send /mail:user@host.com /subject:{This is the subject} filename

But this assumes the body of the message is in the file; the headers are
supplied in the command.  I suppose you could write a script to pick the
file apart, but it would be rather tedious.

- Frank

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>From: jeffl@comix.santa-cruz.ca.us (Jeff Liebermann)
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Subject: Re: Xenix to 5.0.4 Data Transfer ? Stay with UUCP
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 1998 16:47:53 GMT
Organization: Committee To Maintain an Independent Xenix

On Fri, 24 Jul 1998 06:48:40 GMT, ktf@bc3.gun.de (Klaus ter Fehn)
wrote:

>I totally disagree and so here are some 'pro's for UUCP:

Good analysis. I partially disagree and here are my comments.
Please note that this is in response to a Xenix to OSR5 file
transfer question.

>1. It's standard. I know of no UNIX distribution which does not include
>   at least an old UUCP implementation.

Kermit is available for just about every known operating system
including some rather dead ones.  Zmodem is available as part of
most terminal emulators.  UUCP was an optional module on Xenix
and could be un-installed.  I've blundered into small-office
installations where UUCP was removed in an effort to obtain
diskspace.

>2. It's reliable. Once a Job is queued UUCP will repeatedly retry
>   transmitting the data. Everything is done automatically, success 
>   or failure can be reported via Email. In case of complete failure 
>   data is kept in /usr/spool/uucp/.Failed - so no data is lost and
>   can be re-spooled.

Correct, although the Xenix mechanism is different.  Xenix UUCP
simply reports the failure but does not save the remains.  UUCP
also has the irritating habit of first performing the file copy
to /usr/spool/uucp/system_name, and only then determining if it
has permission to scribble to the destination directory.  If not,
it declares an error and erases the copied file.  Kermit and
zmodem are at least smart enough to check BEFORE transfering
files.

>3. It's failsave. Properly configured UUCP can automatically switch to 
>   alternate transport media (for example switching from TCP to Modem 
>   transfer). This may be very important if your ISP is down (hi AT&T :)

That's very useful for daily email traffic but is of little
importance when copying files between two local machines.  I
would never consider using kermit or zmodem for handling my
email.

>4. Automatic Job execution. Properly configured UUCP can execute remote
>   jobs after the file transfer has succeeded and optionally send
>   results back.

Yes.   That's the way usenet news via UUCP works.  There was a
time when I was using UUCP to do remote tape backups and
printing.  Please note that the same things can be done with
kermit in the server mode and zmodem run from a shell script.
Again, this has no relivance for file transfer between Xenix and
OSR5.

>5. Multiple protocols and login-handshake guarantee that UUCP will use
>   the appropiate protocol to the neighbour system. When s.o. says UUCP 
>   is slow, his problems may lie in his UUCP configuration. Maximum
>   block sizes and transport windows can be configured at least with 
>   SVR4-HDB-UUCP and Taylor-UUCP.

Protocol, window size and packet length are adjustable on most
versions of UUCP.  Some use Configuration files.  Others require
patching.  Some uucico incantations (early 3.2v4.x) will die
horribly by accepting 1KB packets and 7 packet windows, but
refusing to properly send in this configuration.  The selection
of protocols is from a sequential list.  uucico will pick the
FIRST matching protocol without the slightest consideration for
line speed and error rate.  In short, UUCP can be manually
configured to optimize performance.  Zmodem and Kermit adjust
window size and packet length continuously and automagically.

>6. For some people this is important: It's even available for (shudder) 
>   DOS (I don't know of other OSes).

Yep.  UUPC.  See:
	http://www.kew.com/UUPC.download.htm
However, zmodem and kermit are also available for MSDOS.

>7. It's easy to maintain. OK, a clever UUCP layout may be difficult in 
>   the first step (like everything one tries for the first time). But if
>   the links are properly configured you can forget about it. Most 
>   problems people report aren't UUCP problems at all: proper modem 
>   setup is by far the most difficult thing (If you use modems at all - 
>   remember - UUCP can be used over TCP/IP, too).

This may be important for a permanent installation that does
regular file transfers.  Maintenance is important.  However, I
find that UUCP initial setup to be far more complex than kermit
or zmodem.  For example, kermit can be configured and run
interactively to establish optimum parameters and settings.
Pro-Yam (zmodem) can do the same.  UUCP has no interactive
configuration and must be manually configured.

UUCP over tcp/ip works quite well.  However, UUCP, zmodem and
kermit all mangle the permissions and ownership of copied files.
If you're going to use TCP, you might as well use rcp to do the
copying.  It's faster and much easier.

>Stay with UUCP. If you have the time (1 day) you can install Taylor-
>UUCP, which has some nice goodies, like easy to read configuration
>files, lots of implemented protocols and transfer resume after an
>interrupted call.

The transfer will "resume" by starting over.  This is not a
problem if you're moving small files but a major issue if the
files are large.  Some implimentations of zmodem and kermit will
recognize an aborted tranfer and continue from where they left
off instead recopying the entire file.

>If you use modems I recommend mgetty, since it is the
>most reliable getty for dialin/dialout modem communications and can even
>deal with nasty modems who tend forget their settings once in a while.

Well, I've played with about 2000 modems in the last 15 years and
have never seen one that would "forget" its setting that could
not be attributed to a dialer or comm programming making the
changes.  This was especially true with early releases of
3.2v5.0.0(???) that had AT&W (save settings) in the modem dialer
initialization strings or certain Windoze FAX dialers that would
leave the modem in a useless state.  If there are modems that
lose their settings, I would be interested in identifying them.
Note that there are modems that have no NVRAM and therefore have
no way to save their settings.  Whenever there are more than one
program accessing a modem, there is a serious risk that what one
program considers acceptable settings may not be useable to the
others.

>As a free bonus you'll get a fax solution, too. Both are freely
>available as source and as binaries for different platforms.

Kermit can do TAP alpha emulation and paging.

What's necessary here is some perspective.  Each communications
program has its strengths and weaknesses.  These depend upon what
one is attempting to accomplish.  For a Xenix to OS5 transfer,
the relative differences of each approach are marginal.  This is
probably a one time ordeal and maximum efficiency is of little
benifit.  Your analysis is more applicable to a permanent
installation involving shared modem(s) and requireing features
beyond a simple file transfer.

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>From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.sco.misc
Subject: Re: Xenix to 5.0.4 Data Transfer ? Stay with UUCP
Date: 26 Jul 1998 14:45:55 GMT
Organization: Columbia University

In article <35bbffb0.3086687@news.ricochet.net>,
Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
: ...
: UUCP over tcp/ip works quite well.  However, UUCP, zmodem and
: kermit...
:
and FTP...

: ... all mangle the permissions and ownership of copied files.
: 
C-Kermit 6.1 (now in Beta):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

preserves permissions when transferring files UNIX-to-UNIX, and also
to some degree for inter-platform transfers, when the other platform
also supports the notion of permissions (e.g. UNIX-VMS).

: If you're going to use TCP, you might as well use rcp to do the
: copying.  It's faster and much easier.
:
And if the connection breaks in the middle of rcp'ing a huge file,
you can use C-Kermit (or Zmodem) to complete the transfer from the point 
of interruption, provided the partial file was not discarded on the
target end.

- Frank

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Hi,
every time I do a connect I will get a runtime error und MS-KERMIT
program 3.12 under
DOS 6.22 and a Pentium MMX processor. I think it's a problem of the
processor speed.
Is there any patch or workaround avaliable.

TIA
Jo


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.12 and runtime error under DOS 6.22 with Pentium MMX Processor !
Date: 27 Jul 1998 15:02:59 GMT
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In article <35BC8CC2.BD83EFB0@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de>,
Johannes Müller  wrote:
: every time I do a connect I will get a runtime error und MS-KERMIT program
: 3.12 under DOS 6.22 and a Pentium MMX processor. I think it's a problem of
: the processor speed.  Is there any patch or workaround avaliable.
: 
If your PC is running DOS (MS-DOS, PC-DOS, DR-DOS, etc) as its base
operating system, then upgrade your version of MS-DOS Kermit to the current
release, 3.15:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

Windows 95/98/NT or OS/2 users should switch to Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.12 and runtime error under DOS 6.22 with Pentium MMX Processor !
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Johannes Müller (johannes.mueller@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de) wrote:
: Hi,
: every time I do a connect I will get a runtime error und MS-KERMIT
: program 3.12 under
: DOS 6.22 and a Pentium MMX processor. I think it's a problem of the
: processor speed.
: Is there any patch or workaround avaliable.

Yes.  This is a known problem, fixed.  The current release is a few revs
past what you have.

Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host 
watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations.

MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC with DOS or Windows:
  kermit/bin/msvibm.zip.  FTP in binary mode, unzip on your PC.

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From: "Baus" 
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Subject: Putting kermit on a handheld computer
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 16:36:07 -0700
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I am trying to run kermit on a DOS 6.22 handheld computer that needs to have
video go through the bios, or so I am told.  I was also told that since
there are so many versions of kermit running that if one for this computer
does not exist, it may be possible to recompile the kermit source code for
it.

Where do I go to find if an existing version will work and if not what I
need to do to recompile for this hardware.  I would think I could get the
bios libraries for the hardware.

Thanks,
Steve


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Putting kermit on a handheld computer
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In article <6pj2j0$hni$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: I am trying to run kermit on a DOS 6.22 handheld computer that needs to have
: video go through the bios, or so I am told.  I was also told that since
: there are so many versions of kermit running that if one for this computer
: does not exist, it may be possible to recompile the kermit source code for
: it.
: 
: Where do I go to find if an existing version will work and if not what I
: need to do to recompile for this hardware.  I would think I could get the
: bios libraries for the hardware.
: 
The current version of Kermit for DOS is 3.15:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html

Use this command:

SET TERMINAL VIDEO-WRITING {DIRECT, BIOS}
  Whether screen updates during emulation should be performed by going DIRECT
  to the video adapter, or should proceed through the system's video BIOS.
  DIRECT is faster.  Use BIOS if you you have trouble with DIRECT or you have
  a BIOS-level speech device, etc.  Applies to text mode only.

- Frank

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Downloaded 3.15, set terminal video-writing bios and am farther down the
line but still not getting a send or receive.

At the kermit prompt I can type in my s filename command, which is more than
I could do before, but it never goes to the send screen.  It just sits at
the ms-kermit>s system.dbf.  I can toggle shift keys on and off so I am not
officially locked although I have not been able to break out unless I use
the ctrl-alt-del.  FYI I downloaded the medium version as that appears to be
the smallest, and I am assuming less memory hungry that still supports the
bios parameter.

Steve

>The current version of Kermit for DOS is 3.15:
>
>  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
>
>Use this command:
>
>SET TERMINAL VIDEO-WRITING {DIRECT, BIOS}
>  Whether screen updates during emulation should be performed by going
DIRECT
>  to the video adapter, or should proceed through the system's video BIOS.
>  DIRECT is faster.  Use BIOS if you you have trouble with DIRECT or you
have
>  a BIOS-level speech device, etc.  Applies to text mode only.
>
>- Frank



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In article <6pktv1$b4p$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: Downloaded 3.15, set terminal video-writing bios and am farther down the
: line but still not getting a send or receive.
: 
: At the kermit prompt I can type in my s filename command, which is more than
: I could do before, but it never goes to the send screen.  It just sits at
: the ms-kermit>s system.dbf.
:
Is there a Kermit program on the other end of the connection that has been
put into receive mode?  What kind of connection is it?  What's on the
other end?

: I can toggle shift keys on and off so I am not
: officially locked although I have not been able to break out unless I use
: the ctrl-alt-del.
:
Ctrl-C doesn't do it?

: FYI I downloaded the medium version as that appears to be
: the smallest, and I am assuming less memory hungry that still supports the
: bios parameter.
: 
Right, you probably don't need TCP/IP in a handheld computer.

- Frank

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Frank,

There is a true IBM compatible PC on the other end running 3.15 connected
with a serial cable.  Even if I was not connected, all of the hardware I
have used before will simply go to the send screen and attempt to send and
simply retry but not this handheld.


I could not get ctrl-c to abort.  May be I was not shifting the keyboard
correctly.

FYI... this is a Percon Falcon which is running DOS 6.22. which only shows 8
x 20 on the screen at one time but really has a standard screen size.
http://www.percon.com/products/falconfeatures.htm

Steve Baus

Frank da Cruz wrote in message <6pl1ci$393$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>...
>In article <6pktv1$b4p$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
>: Downloaded 3.15, set terminal video-writing bios and am farther down the
>: line but still not getting a send or receive.
>:
>: At the kermit prompt I can type in my s filename command, which is more
than
>: I could do before, but it never goes to the send screen.  It just sits at
>: the ms-kermit>s system.dbf.
>:




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Thanks!



That means I would have to write a Perl script which would write a
Kermit script send the file as well as a DOS BAT file to make it all
run. Too bad I haven't learnt Perl yet. Pity it couldn't be in
SAIL-20 or Burroughs-ALGOL! Maybe I'll try it if August gets too boring!


Kidding aside, thanks again.

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There is a Kermit for the HP palmtops on the MIT site (eddie - I
forget the exact spelling) for palmtops.. I got a barely-used 95LX a
few months ago but I couldn't quite get this to work..

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Hello,
        I have been trying to set up a terminal for my dad. He is using an old
386 with a bootdisk running C-Kermit for MSDOS. I am running Linux 2.0.34
(Slackware 3.4). I am trying to use a null modem cable to connect out two
serial ports together. We are using the 25 pin serial ports. The null modem
adapter I bought at CompUSA did not work, so my dad took apart the serial
cable and rewired it to these specs:

           PC male DB25                            Terminal DB25
           TxD   Transmit Data         2 --> 3     RxD   Receive Data
           RxD   Receive Data          3 <-- 2     TxD   Transmit Data
           RTS   Request To Send       4 --> 5     CTS   Clear To Send
           CTS   Clear To Send         5 <-- 4     RTS   Request To Send
           DSR   Data Set Ready        6
                                       |
           DCD   Carrier Detect        8 <-- 20    DTR   Data Terminal Ready
           SG    Signal Ground         7 --- 7     SG    Signal Ground
                                             6     DSR   Data Set Ready
                                             |
           DTR   Data Terminal Ready  20 --> 8     DCD   Carrier Detect

The connect still does not work! I have Linux using agetty for the serial
connection. It ran for half an hour without any errors, but the terminal
showed nothing on the screen. Is that the right config for a serial PC-PC
connection? How can I test if the serial ports and cable actually work?

Joseph Martin

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When I type "show modem" in C-Kermit this is the output:
        Modem is not ready: DSR is off
        no carrier detect: CD is off (set carrier is off)
        no Clear to send: CTS is off

With the serial config shown above shouldn't I have a modem ready status?

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In article <6pn0jk$7s0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   wrote:
: I have been trying to set up a terminal for my dad. He is using an old
: 386 with a bootdisk running C-Kermit for MSDOS. 
:
You mean MS-DOS Kermit?

: I am running Linux 2.0.34
: (Slackware 3.4). I am trying to use a null modem cable to connect out two
: serial ports together. We are using the 25 pin serial ports. The null modem
: adapter I bought at CompUSA did not work, so my dad took apart the serial
: cable and rewired it to these specs:
: 
:            PC male DB25                            Terminal DB25
:            TxD   Transmit Data         2 --> 3     RxD   Receive Data
:            RxD   Receive Data          3 <-- 2     TxD   Transmit Data
:            RTS   Request To Send       4 --> 5     CTS   Clear To Send
:            CTS   Clear To Send         5 <-- 4     RTS   Request To Send
:            DSR   Data Set Ready        6
:                                        |
:            DCD   Carrier Detect        8 <-- 20    DTR   Data Terminal Ready
:            SG    Signal Ground         7 --- 7     SG    Signal Ground
:                                              6     DSR   Data Set Ready
:                                              |
:            DTR   Data Terminal Ready  20 --> 8     DCD   Carrier Detect
: 
This is about what a commercial null modem cable would do.  So if neither
cable works, it is probably not a cable problem.

: The connect still does not work! I have Linux using agetty for the serial
: connection. It ran for half an hour without any errors, but the terminal
: showed nothing on the screen. Is that the right config for a serial PC-PC
: connection? How can I test if the serial ports and cable actually work?
: 
: When I type "show modem" in C-Kermit this is the output:
:         Modem is not ready: DSR is off
:         no carrier detect: CD is off (set carrier is off)
:         no Clear to send: CTS is off
: 
: With the serial config shown above shouldn't I have a modem ready status?
:
Has Kermit been started on the 386?  Has it been told to SET PORT x, where
x is the appropriate COM port number?

The object is to let the 386 log in to Linux, right?  So until this works,
you don't need C-Kermit on Linux for anything.  As long as you have a getty
running on the port to which the cable is connected, and the cable indeed
does what you say it does (all pins work), and the serial ports are not
broken, and there are no interrupt conflicts, etc etc, it should work.

You can use "show comm" in MS-DOS Kermit to look at the modem signals.
Or, if you have an external modem handy, try plugging each end of the cable
into it, gender permitting, and see what lights do and don't go on.

- Frank

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In article <6pldq3$hnl$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: There is a true IBM compatible PC on the other end running 3.15 connected
: with a serial cable.  Even if I was not connected, all of the hardware I
: have used before will simply go to the send screen and attempt to send and
: simply retry but not this handheld.
: 
: I could not get ctrl-c to abort.  May be I was not shifting the keyboard
: correctly.
: 
: FYI... this is a Percon Falcon which is running DOS 6.22. which only shows 8
: x 20 on the screen at one time but really has a standard screen size.
: http://www.percon.com/products/falconfeatures.htm
: 
Maybe the serial port is not a regular 8250 or 16550 UART.  Try:

  SET PORT BIOS1

Or maybe there is an interrupt conflict.  Or maybe there are cable
problems.  Etc etc etc.

For further advice, read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit,
Section 6.

- Frank

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> The connect still does not work! I have Linux using agetty for the serial
> connection. It ran for half an hour without any errors, but the terminal
> showed nothing on the screen. Is that the right config for a serial PC-PC
> connection? How can I test if the serial ports and cable actually work?

The first thing to check is to make sure that you have the correct serial
ports.  Also make sure that the ports are "alive" in both machines'
hardware configurations and that you do not have other devices (like
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> With the serial config shown above shouldn't I have a modem ready status?

No, since there is no modem affecting line voltages.

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In article <6pn8lf$1p7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
  fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
> In article <6pn0jk$7s0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   wrote:
> : I have been trying to set up a terminal for my dad. He is using an old
> : 386 with a bootdisk running C-Kermit for MSDOS.
> :
> You mean MS-DOS Kermit?

Yes.

> This is about what a commercial null modem cable would do.  So if neither
> cable works, it is probably not a cable problem.

Okay.

> : The connect still does not work! I have Linux using agetty for the serial
> : connection. It ran for half an hour without any errors, but the terminal
> : showed nothing on the screen. Is that the right config for a serial PC-PC
> : connection? How can I test if the serial ports and cable actually work?
> :
> : When I type "show modem" in C-Kermit this is the output:
> :         Modem is not ready: DSR is off
> :         no carrier detect: CD is off (set carrier is off)
> :         no Clear to send: CTS is off
> :
> : With the serial config shown above shouldn't I have a modem ready status?
> :
> Has Kermit been started on the 386?  Has it been told to SET PORT x, where
> x is the appropriate COM port number?

It has been started. I have done set port 1.

> The object is to let the 386 log in to Linux, right?  So until this works,
> you don't need C-Kermit on Linux for anything.  As long as you have a getty
> running on the port to which the cable is connected, and the cable indeed
> does what you say it does (all pins work), and the serial ports are not
> broken, and there are no interrupt conflicts, etc etc, it should work.

The getty is running on Linux. I don't even have C-Kermit for Linux.

> You can use "show comm" in MS-DOS Kermit to look at the modem signals.
> Or, if you have an external modem handy, try plugging each end of the cable
> into it, gender permitting, and see what lights do and don't go on.

I'll see if I can dig one up from a friend somewhere.

> - Frank


Joseph

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In article <6po2hq$kip$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   wrote:
: In article <6pn8lf$1p7$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
:   fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: > In article <6pn0jk$7s0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   wrote:
: > : I have been trying to set up a terminal for my dad. He is using an old
: > : 386 with a bootdisk running C-Kermit for MSDOS.
: > :
: > You mean MS-DOS Kermit?
: 
Yes.

: > Has Kermit been started on the 386?  Has it been told to SET PORT x, where
: > x is the appropriate COM port number?
: 
: It has been started. I have done set port 1.
:
And Port 1 is the right port?

: > : When I type "show modem" in C-Kermit this is the output:
: > :         Modem is not ready: DSR is off
: > :         no carrier detect: CD is off (set carrier is off)
: > :         no Clear to send: CTS is off
:
So when you type "show modem" in MS-DOS Kermit (not C-Kermit), it does not
see any modem signals coming in.  This means:

 1. Port 1 is not the right port.

 2. Port 1 is the right port, but the Linux port is not sending any modem
    signals, which is a Linux configuration problem.  I would expect to see
    at least CTS and probably also DSR on a port waiting for login.

 3. The Linux port is asserting the modem signals, but the cable isn't
    conveying them.

 4. The cable is bringing the modem signals to the PC port, but the port
    is broken.

 5. The port is not broken, but the two serial ports are set to different
    speeds.

It's easy to pin down problems like this if you have a breakout box, but
without one, it's a matter of trial and error, and/or swapping things.

For example: Can the PC with MS-DOS Kermit successfully communication with
anything other than the Linux system in question?  If so, then you can
rule out 1, 3, and 4.

A couple more things to try:

 1. Since you're not seeing CTS from the Linux system, tell MS-DOS Kermit
    to "set flow none" so it won't be blocked on CTS-Off.

 2. Because CD is off, tell MS-DOS Kermit to "set carrier off" so it won't
    require CD.

Now you should be able to give a CONNECT command and get the terminal
emulation screen.  Press the Enter key.  Do you see a prompt (or anything
else legible)?  If not, use Alt-B to send a Break signal.  Repeat this
process up to 15 times.  The Break tells the Linux system to change its
speed and issue a new login: prompt.

- Frank

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In article <35BC8CC2.BD83EFB0@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de>, "Johannes Müller"  writes:
> Hi,
> every time I do a connect I will get a runtime error und MS-KERMIT
> program 3.12 under
> DOS 6.22 and a Pentium MMX processor. I think it's a problem of the
> processor speed.
> Is there any patch or workaround avaliable.
> 
> TIA
> Jo
> -----
	Depends on the precise error. As usual please try the latest version.
	Joe D.

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I have never had an issue running it on a HP Palmtop.  I have had it on the
200LX without a problem for a while.  The problem is this is the Percon
Falcon.

Steve


vjp2@dorsai.org @smtp.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087
Bioengineer-Financier) wrote in message <6pmlu8$k49@enews4.newsguy.com>...
>There is a Kermit for the HP palmtops on the MIT site (eddie - I
>forget the exact spelling) for palmtops.. I got a barely-used 95LX a
>few months ago but I couldn't quite get this to work..
>
> - = -
>Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier,
NYC
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In article <35c1f9d4.5908262@news.ricochet.net>,
Jeff Liebermann  wrote:
: On Wed, 29 Jul 1998 02:21:27 GMT, stephen@bokonon.ussinc.com
: (Stephen M. Dunn) wrote:
: 
: >$Kermit, zmodem etc file transfer performance:
: >$ http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/perf.html
: >
: >Is this the comparison that Chuck Forsberg (the guy who invented
: >Zmodem) declared was garbage?
: 
There was a year-long debate over the Kermit benchmarks in
1993-94, which can be exhumed by anybody who keeps newsgroups that
far back -- comp.dcom.modems was the main one, I think; maybe
even comp.protocols.kermit, before it was split into .announce.
and .misc.

In 1993, the general public believed the party line that Kermit
protocol was instrinsically slow, and "should not be used except
as a last resort".  This was stated in numerous sources,
including telecom dictionaries and modem manuals (in fact, USR
manuals still say this).  The benchmarks were to demonstrate
that Kermit protocol was not intrinsically slow, and to show
where the common misperceptions came from (primarily, minimal
Kermit implementations in 3rd-party software packages).

: I went through this discussion with Chuck many years ago.  As I
: vaguely recall, I wasn't all that convinced by his arguements
: either.  I did a comparision for myself about 4 years ago and
: found that with buffered UART's, proper tweaking and decent
: modems, I can get almost identical performance out of large
: packet UUCP, Zmodem and Kermit.
:
On a good connection.  On a poor connection, note that Kermit
uses selective packet retransmission for recovery, while Zmodem
rewinds to the point of error and starts over, which can be a
rather large hit when there is a lot of latency in the connection.

: The difference is that Zmodem figured out the optimum packet
: size without any configuration or tweaking while UUCP and
: Kermit required parameter juggling.
:
Kermit is a much more pessimistic protocol than Zmodem.  By
default, it *assumes* a poor connection -- lack of transparency,
lack of effective flow control, etc, and therefore is able to
usually work out-of-the-box on these connections, whereas Zmodem
needs parameter juggling (window size, escaping, etc) to work at
all on the same connections.  That's the tradeoff -- in a perfect
world, of course, there would not need to be tradeoffs.

On the other hand, when you tell Kermit to use a particular
packet size (any length up to 9024 is permitted), it treats that
as a maximum.  Modern Kermits use a slow-start algorithm to test
the waters, and when there are errors, uses exponential backoff
with slow regrowth to recover performance in case the errors
were transitory.  Both packet lengths and timeouts are totally
dynamic and constantly adjust themselves to the connection.  You
can watch these algorithms in action on the C-Kermit 6.0 or
Kermit 95 fullscreen file-transfer display.

The point about the 24K binary file travelling at
hyper-lightspeed is somewhat valid, and in retrospect I should
have chosen a longer file (the point of this measurement was to
dramatically illustrate the run-length compression feature).
The results reported were as shown by the software timers, but
in those days we had integer timers with 1-second granularity,
and so for short transfers at high speeds, the rouding error
could be rather significant.  Nowadays we have floating point
timers and much-more accurate time and speed reports, e.g. in
C-Kermit 6.1 (presently in Beta test):

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

- Frank

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In article <35BF2FC2.AB4E3B10@tconl.com>, sosinski   wrote:
: Recently, I have installed Slackware Linux on a PC at my office which is
: a large telemarketing firm.  One of the reasons that we are looking into
: Linux is because of its Unix like capabilities without licensing all
: applications that you would run, not to mention the great features of
: linux such as the 3270 emulation for IBM sessions with mainframes.
: Anyway, I am looking for some kind of scripting for telnet instead of
: the simple telnet .
: 
:     I have some experience with scripting windows 95/NT applications for
: telnet and have a bit of experience with TCL and C++ but I am not sure
: that these languages will be able to provide me with the emulation and
: the type of scripting that I wish to achieve.  The goal here is to get
: Linux to open up at 20 or more telnet sessions with remote servers, and
: pull information off the server (mostly numbers).  The servers are
: running SCO UNIX with SCO Ansi emulation, and unfortunately we are
: unable to add applications to the SCO servers thus having the server
: attempt the "script" command and ftp the results to the Linux box would
: not be a viable solution.  I am fairly certain that telnet can be
: scripted, I am just unsure of how to go about doing this.
: 
C-Kermit 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

is a telnet client with a built-in scripting language AND file transfer.
With it, you can automate your connections and you can save the session, or
you can have the script perform the necessary interactions to find and save
only the appropriate parts, or you can script the interactions on the far
side in a way that creates a file, and then transfer the file if the other
computer also has a Kermit program.

Since it is also a serial communications client, you can use virtually the
same scripts over dialups, in case you can't make a telnet connection.

Since it is a highly portable program, you can also run it on any other
variety of UNIX, or VMS, or Windows, OS/2, DOS, etc, and therefore you can
use the same scripts on all those platforms with little or no alteration.

C-Kermit by itself is superior to (say) a combination of regular telnet 
and expect, because it's integrated.  It uses its own control structures
(FOR, IF-ELSE, WHILE, SWITCH, GOTO, etc), variables, functions, and timers
intrinsically on the actual data that is going back and forth in real time.
Also, C-Kermit is supported -- there's a newsgroup and tech support line
which actually responds to your questions rather than ignoring them or
sending you a 30 page form to fill out.

It's a good alternative ftp also, by virtue of being scriptable, and also
because it can go through firewalls, includes recovery and update features,
etc etc.

Since "how do I script telnet?" is such a Frequently Asked Question these
days, I hope this answer can start finding its way into the appropriate FAQs.

- Frank

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The hardware manufacturer says it is a 16540 UART.

I tried the set port bios1 with no luck.  When I try to send or receive the
cursor goes the the beginning of the line on the screen with the kermit
prompt and just sit there.  At that point I am locked and have to
ctrl-alt-del to get anything to happen.

Steve

Frank da Cruz wrote in message
>: FYI... this is a Percon Falcon which is running DOS 6.22. which only
shows 8
>: x 20 on the screen at one time but really has a standard screen size.
>: http://www.percon.com/products/falconfeatures.htm
>:
>Maybe the serial port is not a regular 8250 or 16550 UART.  Try:
>
>  SET PORT BIOS1
>
>Or maybe there is an interrupt conflict.  Or maybe there are cable
>problems.  Etc etc etc.
>
>For further advice, read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit,
>Section 6.
>
>- Frank



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In article <6pqo6t$nb3$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: The hardware manufacturer says it is a 16540 UART.
: 
: I tried the set port bios1 with no luck.  When I try to send or receive the
: cursor goes the the beginning of the line on the screen with the kermit
: prompt and just sit there.  At that point I am locked and have to
: ctrl-alt-del to get anything to happen.
: 
It's hard to debug this problem remotely, as I've never seen (or
previously heard of) the Percon Falcon before.  A 16540 UART is compatible
with an 8250 (unbuffered) UART.  Again, all the standard questions and
advice apply.  Are you using the right port?  How do you know it isn't
COM2?  Do we know your PC does not have an interrpt conflict?  Are any
TSRs loaded?  Does the cable have null-modem wiring when it needs
straight-through, or vice versa?  Do the serial interface speeds on both
ends match?  Have you told Kermit to use hardware flow control, but no CTS
signal is coming in?  What does the MS-DOS Kermit "show comm" command say
after you have given a SET PORT COM1 or COM2 command?

All of these questions apply equally at each end, except I don't know what
the Kermit implentation in your handheld device is.  Is it a homegrown
version from the manufacturer?  If so, what did the manufacturer test it
against?  Did you follow the manufacturer's instructions?

- Frank

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In article <35C1FFE0.5AFD@fast.net>, Chad   wrote:
: I received a text file from our Mexico facility.  In Notepad I can see
: the Spanish characters.
:
Therefore the encoding is Windows Codepage 1252, "Windows Latin 1".

: I ftp'ed the file to our HP 9000/K260 running HP-UX 10.20.
: When I VI the file, the Spanish characters are missing.
: 
The default character set in HP-UX for Spanish and other west European
languages is HP-Roman8, which is like Latin-1, but with a different
encoding.

Since FTP knows nothing about character sets, it did not perform the
needed translation.

Solution: use a file transfer method that understands how to convert
character sets, such as Kermit:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

C-Kermit is supplied with HP-UX.  The Kermit software for Windows 95/98/NT
is Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

which can make Telnet, Rlogin, or regular serial connections to your HP
server, using HP-2621 or HPTERM emulation (or any of about 35 others,
including VT100, VT320, etc).  During a connection, you can initiate a
file transfer.  The easiest way to do this is as follows:

Tell Kermit 95 that your local character set is Code Page 1252:

  set file character-set cp1252

(This is necessary because it might also have been an OEM code page,
such as 850, and there is no way to tell automatically which one was used 
to encode the file.)  Then make the connection, enter the terminal
screen, and log in to HP-UX.

On the HP-UX server, type "kermit" to start C-Kermit.  At the C-Kermit>
prompt, type:

  set file type text
  set file character-set hp-roman8
  get xxxx

where xxxx is the name of the file.  Kermit 95 automatically recognizes
the "get" request and sends the file, and the character set is converted
from the PC code page to HP-Roman8.

Of course many other conversions are also possible, and any supported
character set may be established as your default (so you don't always have
to give the "set file character-set" commands prior to transfer).

- Frank

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I've got two machines talking happily via Kermit (but no other
protocols -- direct serial connection). I want to back up the DOS
box, including all subdirectories, into a directory on the UNIX
system. However, when I try

GET /recursive /binary c:\*.*

on the UNIX end, it dumps all the files it receives into the current
directory!

Is there some magic switch I can use to tell Kermit to create
intermediate directories as needed, or is there a script somewhere
to do just that? I want to preserve the directory structure of the
DOS box when making the backup ...

-- Charlie (somewhat new to kermit) Stross


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Subject: Re: Q: How to back up a DOS box to UNIX via Kermit?
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In article ,
Charlie Stross  wrote:
: I've got two machines talking happily via Kermit (but no other
: protocols -- direct serial connection). I want to back up the DOS
: box, including all subdirectories, into a directory on the UNIX
: system. However, when I try
: 
: GET /recursive /binary c:\*.*
: 
: on the UNIX end, it dumps all the files it receives into the current
: directory!
: 
: Is there some magic switch I can use to tell Kermit to create
: intermediate directories as needed, or is there a script somewhere
: to do just that? I want to preserve the directory structure of the
: DOS box when making the backup ...
: 
You need C-Kermit 6.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 for this -- both currently
in Beta test.  Is that what you have?  Did you read the release notes
for both Beta versions on recursive transfers?

- Frank

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Charlie Stross (charlie@pc.antipope.org) wrote:
: I've got two machines talking happily via Kermit (but no other
: protocols -- direct serial connection). I want to back up the DOS
: box, including all subdirectories, into a directory on the UNIX
: system. However, when I try

: GET /recursive /binary c:\*.*

There is a separate utility called XSEND which will make a script for
descending a hierachy, making new directories as it goes.
I used this for replicating an MSDOS machine to a Unix box running Kermit.
I don't remember where I got it, if it isn't on 
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
I could make it available for anon-ftp.

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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To Anyone who can help:

I am attempting to use C-kermit 5 on a Sun Sparc, with UNIX, to login to the
uni dialup service. The modem is on port A. The commands I am using at the
moment are:

set line /dev/ttya
set modem hayes
set speed 19200
dial 98371933
connect
exit

I am having two problems. One, it seems to have trouble most of the time
initializing the modem, however it does occasionally work, and start to
dial. Why does it not initialize some times? Two, when it does get through,
I can not get to login, as the screen is still blank, and there is no
response to any commands.

It has been suggested that I not dial the number, but go straight to
'connect', then 'ATD98371933'. However, there is no response from the modem,
so i reverted to dialing.
I have looked at most of the documentation for kermit, but all assume that
the things above have worked, and in this case they dont. What am I doing
wrong? If someone can show me an example of a working script or something
that would help immensely...
thanks


Tim
tdj@student.unsw.edu.au

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dold@37.usenet.us.com writes:

>Charlie Stross (charlie@pc.antipope.org) wrote:
>: I've got two machines talking happily via Kermit (but no other
>: protocols -- direct serial connection). I want to back up the DOS
>: box, including all subdirectories, into a directory on the UNIX
>: system. However, when I try

>: GET /recursive /binary c:\*.*

>There is a separate utility called XSEND which will make a script for
>descending a hierachy, making new directories as it goes.
>I used this for replicating an MSDOS machine to a Unix box running Kermit.
>I don't remember where I got it, if it isn't on 
>http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
>I could make it available for anon-ftp.

I'd look into something like

kermit -k | tar cvfz backup.tgz -

el
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In comp.protocols.kermit.misc, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu wrote:
>In article ,
>Charlie Stross  wrote:
>: 
>: Is there some magic switch I can use to tell Kermit to create
>: intermediate directories as needed, or is there a script somewhere
>: to do just that? I want to preserve the directory structure of the
>: DOS box when making the backup ...
>: 
>You need C-Kermit 6.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 for this -- both currently
>in Beta test.  Is that what you have?  Did you read the release notes
>for both Beta versions on recursive transfers?

I've got C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta 05 at the Linux end, and DOS Kermit 
3.16 Alpha 5 at the Win3.1 end.  

I've checked the release notes; I don't _think_ I've missed anything, but
I still can't get it to create subdirectories on the receiving side.

send /recursive /binary *.*

from the DOS side to a UNIX server (receiving with /pathnames:relative),
still dumps all the incoming files in the same directory, instead of 
creating subdirectories for each transferred file. 

I'm mostly (a) starting kermit on the DOS box, (b) logging into the
Linux server, (c) starting C-Kermit on the Linux side, and (d) issuing
GET commands from there -- however I've also tried just sending files
from the DOS side, with the Linux kermit in receive mode.

Another thing I've tried:

CGET /recursive { cat | tar czf scratch.tar.gz - } *.*

doesn't work either. (This is GNU tar, which can read from standard input,
so I would expect kermit to get files recursively, pipe them through cat,
into tar's standard input, and tar to create an archive called scratch.tar.gz
on the receiving machine.)

Any suggestions?


-- Charlie

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On 1 Aug 1998 02:14:39 GMT, dold@37.usenet.us.com 
 wrote:
>
>There is a separate utility called XSEND which will make a script for
>descending a hierachy, making new directories as it goes.
>I used this for replicating an MSDOS machine to a Unix box running Kermit.
>I don't remember where I got it, if it isn't on 
>http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
>I could make it available for anon-ftp.

I've just spent half an hour searching ftp.columbia.edu for any sign of
it. If you wouldn't mind sticking it on an ftp site somewhere (assuming
that its copyright declaration permits it) ...


-- Charlie

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On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:50:45 +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse 
 wrote:
>
>I'd look into something like
>
>kermit -k | tar cvfz backup.tgz -

Tried it. It didn't work. Wrote a 45-byte header then died, complaining
of something (that disappeared off the screen before I could read it).
I suspect kermit -k just splats a series of bytes out, without any
indication of which file those bytes belong to -- not a very good idea
when the objective is to create a viable backup.

(All I'm trying to do is (a) back up a MSDOS box via kermit onto a Linux
system, and maybe (b) synchronize the contents of a single directory, once
I get backup sorted out.)


-- Charlie

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In article <6puirh$e05$1@phaedrus.zeta.org.au>,
Tim Jelliffe  wrote:
: I am attempting to use C-kermit 5 on a Sun Sparc, with UNIX, to login to the
: uni dialup service. The modem is on port A. The commands I am using at the
: moment are:
: 
: set line /dev/ttya
: set modem hayes
: set speed 19200
: dial 98371933
: connect
: exit
: 
: I am having two problems. One, it seems to have trouble most of the time
: initializing the modem, however it does occasionally work, and start to
: dial. Why does it not initialize some times?
:
As noted in the manual, the necessary sequence is:

  set modem type xxxx
  set line /dev/ttya
  set speed 19200
  dial 98371933

If you SET LINE before you SET MODE, Kermit does not know it is a modem-
control device when it opens it.

: Two, when it does get through,
: I can not get to login, as the screen is still blank, and there is no
: response to any commands.
: 
"hayes" is probably not the right choice.  It means "hayes-1200" or
"hayes-2400", whereas you probably are using something newer, which has
totally different characteristics and behavior.  This is explained in great
detail in the manual.  Type "set modem type ?" to see a list of supported
modems.

By the way, the current version of C-Kermit is 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

- Frank

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In article ,
Charlie Stross  wrote:
: In comp.protocols.kermit.misc, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu wrote:
: >In article ,
: >Charlie Stross  wrote:
: >: 
: >: Is there some magic switch I can use to tell Kermit to create
: >: intermediate directories as needed, or is there a script somewhere
: >: to do just that? I want to preserve the directory structure of the
: >: DOS box when making the backup ...
: >: 
: >You need C-Kermit 6.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16 for this -- both currently
: >in Beta test.  Is that what you have?  Did you read the release notes
: >for both Beta versions on recursive transfers?
: 
: I've got C-Kermit 6.1.193 Beta 05 at the Linux end, and DOS Kermit 
: 3.16 Alpha 5 at the Win3.1 end.  
: 
: I've checked the release notes; I don't _think_ I've missed anything, but
: I still can't get it to create subdirectories on the receiving side.
: 
: send /recursive /binary *.*
: 
: from the DOS side to a UNIX server (receiving with /pathnames:relative),
: still dumps all the incoming files in the same directory, instead of 
: creating subdirectories for each transferred file. 
: 
It turns out that MS-DOS Kermit (unlike C-Kermit or K95) has to be told to
include the pathname on outbound files when it is sending recursively;
otherwise, it leaves off the pathname, which explains why all the files are
ending up in the same directory on Linux.

So before starting the transfer, tell MS-DOS Kermit:

  set send pathnames relative
  cd 
  connect

Then, in MS-DOS Kermit's terminal screen, tell Linux C-Kermit to:

  set file type binary      ; (Transfer mode is governed by the client)
  cd 
  get /recursive *

If MS-DOS Kermit has "terminal autodownload" enabled (as it does by default),
the transfer starts automatically and creates the backup tree on Linux as
expected.

Note the following differences:

 1. In C-Kermit and K95, /RECURSIVE includes an implicit request for
    relative pathnames, whereas MS-DOS Kermit must be told to include
    or use pathnames explicitly.  We'll look into changing this in the
    next MS-DOS Kermit beta edit.

 2. C-Kermit and K95 can do automatic per-file text/binary switching based
    on the filename, but MS-DOS Kermit does not include this feature, and
    so recursive transfers from MS-DOS Kermit should always be done in
    binary mode.

: I'm mostly (a) starting kermit on the DOS box, (b) logging into the
: Linux server, (c) starting C-Kermit on the Linux side, and (d) issuing
: GET commands from there -- however I've also tried just sending files
: from the DOS side, with the Linux kermit in receive mode.
: 
: Another thing I've tried:
: 
: CGET /recursive { cat | tar czf scratch.tar.gz - } *.*
: 
: doesn't work either. (This is GNU tar, which can read from standard input,
: so I would expect kermit to get files recursively, pipe them through cat,
: into tar's standard input, and tar to create an archive called
: scratch.tar.gz : on the receiving machine.)
: 
You've got the operands backwards.  It's:

  cget /recursive *.* { cat | tar czf scratch.tar.gz - }

or:

  get /recursive /command *.* { cat | tar czf scratch.tar.gz - }

or:

  get /recursive /command /as:{ cat | tar czf scratch.tar.gz - } *.*

But it still will not do what you expect.  Leaving Kermit out of it for a
moment...  First of all:

  cat * | gtar czf scratch.tar.gz -

makes the local copy of gtar say "gtar: can't add file - : No such file or
directory", so there's some problem with the syntax.

But assuming the syntax is OK for your version gtar, you'll still wind up
with an undistinguished stream of data fed into tar's standard input.  Tar
can't tell it's really a series of files, and in any case would have no way
to know what the filenames are, let alone where one file ends and the next
one begins, so who knows what it will do?

Section 4.2.4 of ckermit2.upd describes ways to transfer directory trees
using tar (plus gzip or compress if desired), for example:

  send /command:{tar cf - . | gzip -c} /as:{!gunzip -c | tar xf -}

or (in the other direction):

  get /command {!tar cf - . | gzip -c} /as:{gunzip -c | tar xf -}

But these methods won't work with MS-DOS Kermit, because it does not
support file-transfer filters.  (There's only so much you do in 300K!)

- Frank

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In article ,
Charlie Stross  wrote:
: On 1 Aug 1998 02:14:39 GMT, dold@37.usenet.us.com 
:  wrote:
: >
: >There is a separate utility called XSEND which will make a script for
: >descending a hierachy, making new directories as it goes.
: >I used this for replicating an MSDOS machine to a Unix box running Kermit.
: >I don't remember where I got it, if it isn't on 
: >http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
: >I could make it available for anon-ftp.
: 
: I've just spent half an hour searching ftp.columbia.edu for any sign of
: it. If you wouldn't mind sticking it on an ftp site somewhere (assuming
: that its copyright declaration permits it) ...
: 
It's in:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/a/msixse.* (text mode)

The DOS binary is in:

  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/msixse.exe (binary mode)

It's also in the UTILS directory on the MS-DOS Kermit diskette.

This is a program that creates a command file to be executed by MS-DOS Kermit,
the result being to send a directory tree.  The advantage of this approach
is that it works with older Kermit programs that do not support the new
directory-tree transfer features (descent through directory tree, automatic
creation of directories, inclusion of relative pathnames on outgoing files,
automatic per-file text/binary mode switching, etc) themselves.

- Frank

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In article ,
Charlie Stross  wrote:
: On Sat, 1 Aug 1998 09:50:45 +0100, Dr Eberhard W Lisse 
:  wrote:
: >
: >I'd look into something like
: >
: >kermit -k | tar cvfz backup.tgz -
: 
: Tried it. It didn't work. Wrote a 45-byte header then died, complaining
: of something (that disappeared off the screen before I could read it).
: I suspect kermit -k just splats a series of bytes out, without any
: indication of which file those bytes belong to...
:
Exactly.

: ... not a very good idea when the objective is to create a viable backup.
: 
Unless the incoming file is a tar file.  See p.476 of the manual.

- Frank

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dold@37.usenet.us.com wrote:

: There is a separate utility called XSEND which will make a script for
: descending a hierachy, making new directories as it goes.
: I used this for replicating an MSDOS machine to a Unix box running Kermit.
: I don't remember where I got it, if it isn't on 
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
: I could make it available for anon-ftp.

I found that the one on my system now is XSEND32.exe.  I don't remember the
source, but the dates make me believe it is part of ther Kermit-95
distribution, so I don't feel free to post it.

But I did a yahoo search and came up with
http://www1.lu.se/msdosftp/network/termemul/kermit/old
where I found xsend.c, xsend.exe, and xsend.hlp
These are from 1988, and might be the ones I remember, although I think
it was earlier than that when I started using them.

I also used xsend.c, compiled on a little Unix box, to copy files to a
Unix box that had a tape drive, back before there was Ethernet ;-)

-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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On 1 Aug 1998 19:40:02 GMT, Frank da Cruz 
 wrote:

>It turns out that MS-DOS Kermit (unlike C-Kermit or K95) has to be told to
>include the pathname on outbound files when it is sending recursively;
>otherwise, it leaves off the pathname, which explains why all the files are
>ending up in the same directory on Linux.
>
>So before starting the transfer, tell MS-DOS Kermit:
>
>  set send pathnames relative
>  cd 
>  connect

Thanks. Subdirectories now being created and populated correctly.

Oddly, though, doing get /recursive * quits after fetching the first
directory tree (we're talking about a DOS system here, with several
directory trees in its root). I can live with this -- it's pulling
things over and putting them in the right place, even if I have to 
tell it each top-level directory to pull in -- but I can't help
wondering why. Is it some kind of globbing problem? (Time to RTFM, I
think.)

(BTW, can I add that this is about the best support I've ever seen for
a piece of free/semi-free software? Thanks!)


-- Charlie

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 Hello All

 I need to set up a slip connection with a remote network in order
 to ftp to a remote host.

 How can I do that with kermit?
 (do you have examples/scripts?)

 I already ordered the manual "Using C-kermit"
 however time is pressing, and I need to setup the connection
 as soon as possible.

 			Thank You & Greetings
			H.Lieuw
			email: hlaj@samsung.co.kr


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In article ,
Charlie Stross  wrote:
: On 1 Aug 1998 19:40:02 GMT, Frank da Cruz 
:  wrote:
: 
: >It turns out that MS-DOS Kermit (unlike C-Kermit or K95) has to be told to
: >include the pathname on outbound files when it is sending recursively;
: >otherwise, it leaves off the pathname, which explains why all the files are
: >ending up in the same directory on Linux.
: >
: >So before starting the transfer, tell MS-DOS Kermit:
: >
: >  set send pathnames relative
: >  cd 
: >  connect
: 
: Thanks. Subdirectories now being created and populated correctly.
: 
: Oddly, though, doing get /recursive * quits after fetching the first
: directory tree (we're talking about a DOS system here, with several
: directory trees in its root). I can live with this -- it's pulling
: things over and putting them in the right place, even if I have to 
: tell it each top-level directory to pull in -- but I can't help
: wondering why. Is it some kind of globbing problem? (Time to RTFM, I
: think.)
: 
I would say it's a globbing problem.  It should work consistently no matter
where it's rooted.  We'll have to look into this for the next Beta edit.
Thanks for noticing.

: (BTW, can I add that this is about the best support I've ever seen for
: a piece of free/semi-free software? Thanks!)
: 
Thanks for saying so!

- Frank

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In article <6q47u5$c5d$1@nbox.wins.uva.nl>,
H.Lieuw  wrote:
:  Hello All
: 
:  I need to set up a slip connection with a remote network in order
:  to ftp to a remote host.
: 
:  How can I do that with kermit?
:  (do you have examples/scripts?)
: 
:  I already ordered the manual "Using C-kermit"
:  however time is pressing, and I need to setup the connection
:  as soon as possible.
: 
You mean, you want to make a SLIP connection from HP-UX to the remote
network?  You can use C-Kermit for your SLIP dialer in this situation,
and there might be some advantages to that (phone-number translation,
automatic redialing, scripting, etc), but once the connection is made,
you still need a way to hand it over to your TCP/IP stack.

This is covered in item 27 of the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

27 How Can I Exit from C-Kermit without Hanging Up?

Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit,
but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made.  For
example, they want to use C-Kermit as their SLIP or PPP dialer.  But they
quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone
before they can start the other application.

It is a fundamental property of UNIX (and VMS, and Windows 95 and NT, and
most other modern operating systems) that when a process exits, then every
file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by the
operating system.  In most cases, closing a terminal device (such as a
dialout serial port) hangs up the modem (by turning off the DTR signal).
There is nothing the process can do about it.

However, many workarounds are possible.  Here are just a few:

   - If your C-Kermit version supports the REDIRECT command, use it to
     start the desired application (e.g. "redirect pppd").  The REDIRECT
     command runs the given application with its standard input and output
     redirected to the communications channel opened by C-Kermit's most
     recent SET LINE or SET HOST command.

   - Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure
     your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended).  "Using C-Kermit", 2nd
     Ed., p.86.

   - When opening the device first from another application, feed the file
     descriptor for the device to C-Kermit using the "-l" (lowercase
     letter L) command-line option followed by the numeric file
     descriptor, e.g.  "kermit -l 6".  Then Kermit will not attempt to
     open the device, nor to change its characteristics, nor to close it
     when done, and when Kermit exits, it will still be available to the
     invoking process.  "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.469.

   - When opening the device with C-Kermit, find out the file descriptor
     of the open device (it is given by C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and
     then run ("!")  your other program from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding
     it the file descriptor, e.g. through shell redirection or a command
     line option (the method depends on the other program, the
     capabilities of the shell, etc).  "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Ed., p.356

   - In UNIX, after Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find
     out the filename of the lock file.  Then suspend Kermit, delete the
     lock file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same
     tty device.

- Frank

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Does anyone know of a Kermit program that will run on NT 4.0 for
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Thanks

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In article <35c5f773.239673199@news.colostate.edu>,
William Sprouse  wrote:
: Does anyone know of a Kermit program that will run on NT 4.0 for
: direct serial to serial transfer?
: 
Sure, Kermit 95:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html

- Frank

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I am running Kermit 3.15 straight from the Columbia ftp site and have placed
the "medium" version on the handheld (Percon Falcon) which is a AMD 32 bit
processor 386 running ROM DOS 6.22.  The comm port, there is only 1, is a
16540 UART.

I have set the video writing to bios and when I issue the show comm command,
the screen lists the following:

Comm Port 1            Speed 9600
Echo Off                    Parity None 8 bit
Handshake Char: none    Flow xon/xoff
Duplex full                Display regular 7 bit
Debug Off                Exit warning on
Modem is ready DSR is on
no carrier detect CD is off set carrier is off
no Clear to send    CTS is off
Com1 address    Port \x3f8, IRQ 4

The problem is the handheld seems to lock when I try issueing the "server"
or "s filename" command.  It is my understanding that I do not need to be
connected to any sort of PC or modem to issue these commands.  At this point
I need to ctrl-alt-del to get out.  The set port bios1 did not seem to make
any diff.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Steve

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <6q562j$d0g$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: I am running Kermit 3.15 straight from the Columbia ftp site and have placed
: the "medium" version on the handheld (Percon Falcon) which is a AMD 32 bit
: processor 386 running ROM DOS 6.22.  The comm port, there is only 1, is a
: 16540 UART.
: 
: I have set the video writing to bios and when I issue the show comm command,
: the screen lists the following:
: 
: Comm Port 1                 Speed 9600
: Echo Off                    Parity None 8 bit
: Handshake Char: none        Flow xon/xoff
: Duplex full                 Display regular 7 bit
: Debug Off                   Exit warning on
: Modem is ready DSR is on
: no carrier detect CD is off set carrier is off
: no Clear to send    CTS is off
: Com1 address    Port \x3f8, IRQ 4
: 
: The problem is the handheld seems to lock when I try issueing the "server"
: or "s filename" command.  It is my understanding that I do not need to be
: connected to any sort of PC or modem to issue these commands.
:
Perhaps not, but of course they won't do anything -- they will just hang
waiting for a response.

: At this point
: I need to ctrl-alt-del to get out.  The set port bios1 did not seem to make
: any diff.
: 
You should be able to Ctrl-C out of this situation (trying to start a file
transfer through a port that is connected to nothing), and you can do so on
a normal PC.  If you can't on your handheld unit, I think that indicates a
difference between it and a regular PC.

Everything looks OK in your settings above, but that doesn't prove anything.

First of all, I can't tell from your messages whether you have ever had any
kind of successful communication with MS-DOS Kermit on this unit.  For
example, does terminal emulation work?  You said in an earlier message that
you have MS-DOS Kermit on a PC on the other end of the connection.  So did
you follow the instructions on pages 37-40 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit"?  If not,
please do -- they explain exactly how to set up and test this kind of
connection.

If you did, but still make no progress, then I can only refer you again to
the troubleshooting section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and to the KERMIT.BWR
file, that goes into great detail about solving basic communication
problems: the cable, the port, the interface speed, the IRQs, and so on.

- Frank

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mskermit for DOS works for me for simple things like serial
transfer. But if you need long filenames or reliable modem
connections, etc., etc., you probably should buy kermit 95. If you are
adventurous, you could grab ckermit and compile win32 binaries with
uwin. It works. And it's a fun "learning experience."

Skip
edit my email address to reply.

wsprouse@cemml.colostate.edu.nospamplease (William Sprouse) writes:

> Does anyone know of a Kermit program that will run on NT 4.0 for
> direct serial to serial transfer?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bill
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> To reply by e-mail please remove .nospamplease from the end of my e-mail.
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Sorry for provocative Subject...
I'm running Win95-B (Fat32) on Pentium-120.
I have internal Diamond Supra 33.6 Voice modem.
MSKermit 3.14 dials out and connects immediately,  correctly.
MSK 3.15, MSK3.16 and K95(v1.1.8...16)  all seem to behave the same way:
  The modem "dings" as for hangup or busy signal, (Kermit) says
 "busy or no answer" and goes into "wait and redial" loop, then
 usually succeeds, wasting a minute or so...  
  I would like to start my debugging by following the trail from
the changes between MSK 3.14 to 3.15, if that is accessible.
I don't know how to trace the dialog that works well versus the
ones that start badly.

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In article <01bdc047$0e6edf00$a9ae440c@ezhuuvqo>,
Michael Reagan  wrote:
: Sorry for provocative Subject...
: I'm running Win95-B (Fat32) on Pentium-120.
: I have internal Diamond Supra 33.6 Voice modem.
: MSKermit 3.14 dials out and connects immediately,  correctly.
: MSK 3.15, MSK3.16 and K95(v1.1.8...16)  all seem to behave the same way:
:   The modem "dings" as for hangup or busy signal, (Kermit) says
:  "busy or no answer" and goes into "wait and redial" loop, then
:  usually succeeds, wasting a minute or so...  
:   I would like to start my debugging by following the trail from
: the changes between MSK 3.14 to 3.15, if that is accessible.
: I don't know how to trace the dialog that works well versus the
: ones that start badly.

There is absolutely no relationship between MS-DOS Kermit 
and Kermit 95 other than the fact that they are both Kermit programs.
MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 share no dialing code.  In fact, dialing
in MS-DOS Kermit is done with macros whereas Kermit 95 uses built-in
commands.

In both cases you have not specified what commands you are using 
with your modem.  I am assuming that with K95 you are using a
SET PORT COM1 type access method instead of the perfered Microsoft
Telephony mechanisms.  Because of this it would be almost impossible
to provide you additional advice but because you say the initial HANGUP 
and RESET of the modem produces weird affects I would suggest that you
examine the commands that are sent for HANGUP and INIT.

In K95, that would be SHOW MODEM.  In K95, you can also 
  SET DIAL HANGUP OFF
to disable to hangup before dialing.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Charlie Stross wrote:
> 
> BTW, is there any easy/convenient way of doing a synchronise between
> two filesystems? I have in mind a laptop and a desktop machine that
> periodically need to exchange files, overwriting older ones with newer
> where appropriate ...
> 
> -- Charlie


With C-Kermit version 6 you can use "set file collision update"  on the
receiving machine then transfer all files from the remote system.  If
the remote file is older or the same age the file is skipped. I have not
worked with MS-Kermit so I do not know if this feature is implemented.

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In article <35C9E077.ECC@yahoo.com>, Art L.  wrote:
: Charlie Stross wrote:
: > BTW, is there any easy/convenient way of doing a synchronise between
: > two filesystems? I have in mind a laptop and a desktop machine that
: > periodically need to exchange files, overwriting older ones with newer
: > where appropriate ...
:
: With C-Kermit version 6 you can use "set file collision update"  on the
: receiving machine then transfer all files from the remote system.  If
: the remote file is older or the same age the file is skipped. I have not
: worked with MS-Kermit so I do not know if this feature is implemented.
:
It is.

Also, in C-Kermit 6.1 and MS-DOS Kermit 3.16, as well as Kermit 95, now 
both in Beta test, it is possible to use "set file collision update" while
recursively descending through the file system, thus allowing updating of
not just one directory, but an entire directory tree (as noted in earlier
messages in this thread).

- Frank


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Subject: "It's not easy being obsolete"
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August 7th, 1998          

Today's term: Kermit 

Why define a term that's so out of date, you're only likely to 
overhear it as part of a meaningless conversation between reminiscing 
retro-nerds? Because retro-nerds are the last people you want lording 
it over you. So here's one you can throw back at them: Kermit, a 
really old modem protocol that some BBSs used to require but that, 
even in its heyday, played second fiddle to other now-outdated 
protocols such as Xmodem, Ymodem, and (you guessed it) Zmodem (all of 
which we'll cover some other day). Essentially, Kermit was the 
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It is obvious that some dummies are living in the past, and don't have any idea
what Kermit is today.

It scares me sometimes ... the places one finds such ignorance.

 - Vince

   Vincent Fatica
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>Why define a term that's so out of date, you're only likely to 
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>even in its heyday, played second fiddle to other now-outdated 
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On 8 Aug 1998 15:20:39 GMT, Frank da Cruz  wrote:

>Today's term: Kermit 
>
>Why define a term that's so out of date, you're only likely to 
>overhear it as part of a meaningless conversation between reminiscing 
>retro-nerds? 

Hmm. And I suppose next week they're going to define FTP as something
which was made obsolete by the world wide web?


-- Charlie

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We have a client for whom we are implementing a solution where we
believed, due to the existence of multiple platforms, utilizing Kermit
seemed to make the best sense.  A problem we've run into is that for
various security reasons, the client's host does not accommodate Telnet
sessions.  It does, however, accommodate FTP connections.  I've scoured
our docs and Columbia site, but can't seem to find anything addressing
FTP connections.  Has anyone else confronted a similar situation and, if
so, what was the solution.

Thanks in advance.

-- 
Hal W. Hensley
Hensley & Associates, L.C.
15335 San Pedro, Suite A
San Antonio, Texas 78232-3719
(210) 497-4180 (voice); (210) 497-4184 (fax)

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <35CF4F12.5FF6@ibm.net>, Hal W. Hensley  wrote:
: We have a client for whom we are implementing a solution where we
: believed, due to the existence of multiple platforms, utilizing Kermit
: seemed to make the best sense.  A problem we've run into is that for
: various security reasons, the client's host does not accommodate Telnet
: sessions.  It does, however, accommodate FTP connections.  I've scoured
: our docs and Columbia site, but can't seem to find anything addressing
: FTP connections.  Has anyone else confronted a similar situation and, if
: so, what was the solution.
: 
Kermit and FTP are two different protocols.  FTP is the standard Internet
file transfer protocols, but, as many people are learning, it can not (in
general) be used through firewalls, and it is difficult to automate.

When you say your client's host does not accommodate Telnet sessions, this
probably means that they have elected not to run a Telnet server.  Thus
users can not use a Kermit program such as C-Kermit, Kermit 95, or MS-DOS
Kermit to make a Telnet connection to this system and transfer files over
that connection, at least not in the normal fashion.

But there are other approaches, depending on the platform.  If the host is
UNIX-based (for example), the Kermit program for UNIX, which is C-Kermit
6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

can be set up accept incoming TCP connections on the socket of your
choice, just like an FTP server, except using Kermit protocol rather than
FTP.  This is documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition,
pages 127-128.

- Frank

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From: charlie@pc.antipope.org (Charlie Stross)
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Subject: Re: FTP versus Telnet connect
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On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:50:42 -0500, Hal W. Hensley 
 wrote:

[ snip -- client runs an ftpd on their firewall, but not telnetd ]

Have you considered trying to convince your client to run some kind
of secure connection, like ssh or rlogin with something like Kerberos
authentication or DES encryption? Kermit will work over rlogin (though
I'm not sure about encrypted rlogin sessions and/or Kerberos), and 
you can tunnel other protocols through ssh. Indeed, ssh is specifically
designed with encrypted connections in mind so it may be possible
to convince your client that it will not compromise their firewall
security -- if properly configured.


-- Charlie

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Charlie --

Thanks for your speedy reply.  Let me chew on some of your suggestions.

Regards,
Hal

-- 
Hal W. Hensley
Hensley & Associates, L.C.
15335 San Pedro, Suite A
San Antonio, Texas 78232-3719
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
> 
...snip... 
> When you say your client's host does not accommodate Telnet sessions, this
> probably means that they have elected not to run a Telnet server.  

That is correct for security reasons.

...snip... 
> But there are other approaches, depending on the platform.  If the host is
> UNIX-based (for example), the Kermit program for UNIX, which is C-Kermit
> 6.0:
> 
>   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
> 
> can be set up accept incoming TCP connections on the socket of your
> choice, just like an FTP server, except using Kermit protocol rather than
> FTP.  This is documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition,
> pages 127-128.

The host platform is a Sun box running Solaris for which we spec'd
C-Kermit 6.0.  Refering to your cite pp.127-28, what are the security
implications revolving around this type of open port?

Thanks for the speedy reply.
  
Hal

-- 
Hal W. Hensley
Hensley & Associates, L.C.
15335 San Pedro, Suite A
San Antonio, Texas 78232-3719
(210) 497-4180 (voice); (210) 497-4184 (fax)

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In article <35CF8EC5.650E@ibm.net>, Hal W. Hensley  wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: > 
: ...snip... 
: > When you say your client's host does not accommodate Telnet sessions, this
: > probably means that they have elected not to run a Telnet server.  
: 
: That is correct for security reasons.
: 
: ...snip... 
: > But there are other approaches, depending on the platform.  If the host is
: > UNIX-based (for example), the Kermit program for UNIX, which is C-Kermit
: > 6.0:
: > 
: >   http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: > 
: > can be set up accept incoming TCP connections on the socket of your
: > choice, just like an FTP server, except using Kermit protocol rather than
: > FTP.  This is documented in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition,
: > pages 127-128.
: 
: The host platform is a Sun box running Solaris for which we spec'd
: C-Kermit 6.0.  Refering to your cite pp.127-28, what are the security
: implications revolving around this type of open port?
: 
C-Kermit 6.0 allows can be told to await a connection on a specific port and
then enter server mode when the connection comes in.  This would be done by
having it execute the following commands (using port 3000 to illustrate):

  set port * 3000
  server

Since the "set port" command blocks, these commands should be executed from
a command file or macro.

C-Kermit offers a number of security measures when used as a server:

 . A login ID and password can be set.
 . Its services can be selectively disabled.

These measures are described in detail in Chapter 11 of the manual.

The next release of C-Kermit will have some additional features in this
area -- watch this space for announcements.

- Frank

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I am trying to use Kermit95 (version 1.1.17) on W95 to
telnet to a Linux machine running the DOS emulator (dosemu
version 0.66.7) to run a Clipper application.

I have made some progress with this but I still have a
few problems.

DISPLAY:

I've tried various terminal emulations but the best seems
to be K95's LINUX.  Dosemu has a configuration file where
I can set the character set.  The choices seem to be 'ibm'
or 'latin'.  When I set dosemu to 'ibm', the box drawing
characters show correctly but all the text is unreadable.
When I set dosemu to 'latin', the text is readable but the
box drawing characters are substitutes.  I suppose it is
dosemu that decides on the substitutes (?).  For example,
what should be a double horizontal line comes over as an
equal sign (0x3D) and what should be a vertical double
line comes over as an "I" (0x49).

The best I've come up with so far is this:

  K95  LINUX,  25x80, no status line, latin1-iso

  Linux/dosemu   latin

this produces a readable display, but isn't pretty enough.

Any suggestions?  I had thought of trying to translate
the substituted box characters to something else, but
that probably wouldn't work since an "I" as a double
vertical line should be converted, but an "I" as part
of a text string should be left alone.

KEYSTROKES:

Most of the keys seem to work ok.  The exceptions are
Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp and alt-C and other alt- keys.

I've managed to turn on Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp by
putting the following in a CLIPPER.KSC file and then
'taking' it:

   set key \1314 \30     ; Ctrl-PageDown
   set key \5410 \30     ; Gray-Ctrl-PageDown
   set key \1313 \31     ; Ctrl-PageUp
   set key \5409 \31     ; Gray-Ctrl-PageUp


With that, the Ctrl-PgUp keys work perfectly but the
Ctrl-PgDn keys requires pressing them twice (any idea
why or how to fix that?).  (I discovered the numbers
30 and 31 by looking in the CLIPPER INKEY.CH include
file.)

When I try a similar approach for alt-C
    set key \2147 \302    ; Alt-C

it doesn't work right.  Alt-C gets set to \46 instead.
(I note that 302 mod 256 is 46, so I assume that the
codes are limited to a single byte.)  The reason I
wanted to set it to \302 is that is the code used
by the Clipper application for testing whether an
alt-C key was pressed.  I suppose I'll run into the
same problem with all the alt- keys.  Any ideas on
how to work around this?

I tried turning on PCTERM by typing Ctrl-CapsLock while
connected.  It didn't seem to do anything (and alt-X
still returned me to command mode).  I also tried typing

  SET TERM PCTERM

in command mode, but got the error "?No keywords match -
pcterm".  I wondered if I might have seen a mention that
PCTERM wasn't working in K95 1.1.17, but couldn't find
such a mention when I tried to find it again.  Even if
I could turn PCTERM on, I'm not sure whether the Linux
box and/or dosemu would be set to cope with it.

SUMMARY:

So very much is working well that I am hopeful some
or all of the remaining problems can be solved or worked
around.  The most important probably is the box drawing
character problem  (better to look good than to work good,
as Billy Crystal might say).  Users could live with having
to type Ctrl-PgDn twice.  I might substitute alternate
keystrokes for whatever functions are now invoked by alt-
keys.

Suggestions gratefully accepted.  When/if I get it
all working, I'll be glad to post the final dosemu.conf
and CLIPPER.KSC files.

I also hope to install a later (non-stable?) version of
dosemu in case that changes anything for the better.

I note that if I log into the Linux box from another Linux
box and use Linux's telnet, the display does have both
proper box drawing characters and readable text (in that
case I set dosemu to 'ibm').  There, though, I haven't
found a solution yet to turning on the Ctrl-PgDn and
Ctrl-PgUp keys, however the alt- keys work ok.  Is that
a clue that PCTERM would be useful from K95?  However,
for the application I have in mind, it is very unlikely
that running Linux on all the workstations will be
acceptable, so I'm really hoping for a K95 solution.


  -- Frank
  frank.sergeant@pobox.com



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charlie@pc.antipope.org (Charlie Stross) writes:
> 
> [ snip -- client runs an ftpd on their firewall, but not telnetd ]
> 
> Have you considered trying to convince your client to run some kind
> of secure connection, like ssh or rlogin with something like Kerberos
> authentication or DES encryption? Kermit will work over rlogin (though

Kermit already supports SRP for authentication and encryption on the
Telnet side; making this work for FTP might be an excellent option.  This
would integrate cleanly with ftpd and doesn't require any additional
configuration on the firewall end.
-- 
Tom Wu                        * finger -l tjw@xenon.stanford.edu for PGP key *
 E-mail: tjw@cs.Stanford.EDU          "The box said 'Requires Windows 95, NT,
  Phone: (650) 723-1565                   or better,' so I installed Linux."
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In article ,
Thomas Wu   wrote:
: charlie@pc.antipope.org (Charlie Stross) writes:
: > 
: > [ snip -- client runs an ftpd on their firewall, but not telnetd ]
: > 
: > Have you considered trying to convince your client to run some kind
: > of secure connection, like ssh or rlogin with something like Kerberos
: > authentication or DES encryption? Kermit will work over rlogin (though
: 
: Kermit already supports SRP for authentication and encryption on the
: Telnet side; making this work for FTP might be an excellent option.  This
: would integrate cleanly with ftpd and doesn't require any additional
: configuration on the firewall end.

Although, Kermit is not an FTP client.  And that is the problem that 
the user is struggling with.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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In article ,
Frank Sergeant  wrote:
: I am trying to use Kermit95 (version 1.1.17) on W95 to
: telnet to a Linux machine running the DOS emulator (dosemu
: version 0.66.7) to run a Clipper application.
: 
: I have made some progress with this but I still have a
: few problems.

: DISPLAY:
: 
: I've tried various terminal emulations but the best seems
: to be K95's LINUX.  Dosemu has a configuration file where
: I can set the character set.  The choices seem to be 'ibm'
: or 'latin'.  When I set dosemu to 'ibm', the box drawing
: characters show correctly but all the text is unreadable.
: When I set dosemu to 'latin', the text is readable but the
: box drawing characters are substitutes.  I suppose it is
: dosemu that decides on the substitutes (?).  For example,
: what should be a double horizontal line comes over as an
: equal sign (0x3D) and what should be a vertical double
: line comes over as an "I" (0x49).

So what does the documentation say that the "ibm" character-set
is?  Is it CP437 or CP850?

And what is your Code Page set to on Windows 95?  
Most likely it is CP437.

The SHOW CHARACTER-SETS command will tell you what the code
page is set to in K95.

: The best I've come up with so far is this:
: 
:   K95  LINUX,  25x80, no status line, latin1-iso

:   Linux/dosemu   latin

My guess would be "ibm" on dosemu and "set term remote cp437"
in K95.  I would also try "SCOANSI" instead of "Linux" since
it is a PC based terminal emulation unlike the Linux console
with is VT terminal based.
 
: KEYSTROKES:
: 
: Most of the keys seem to work ok.  The exceptions are
: Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp and alt-C and other alt- keys.

That is because these keystrokes are mapped to K95 functions.
The linux console and scoansi do not define these keys.

: I've managed to turn on Ctrl-PgDn and Ctrl-PgUp by
: putting the following in a CLIPPER.KSC file and then
: 'taking' it:
: 
:    set key \1314 \30     ; Ctrl-PageDown
:    set key \5410 \30     ; Gray-Ctrl-PageDown
:    set key \1313 \31     ; Ctrl-PageUp
:    set key \5409 \31     ; Gray-Ctrl-PageUp

This defines the keystrokes to be Control characters, RS and US.
This is not a normal mapping.  If this is what they are supposed
to be then you will need documentation for this as part of dosemu.

: With that, the Ctrl-PgUp keys work perfectly but the
: Ctrl-PgDn keys requires pressing them twice (any idea
: why or how to fix that?).  (I discovered the numbers
: 30 and 31 by looking in the CLIPPER INKEY.CH include
: file.)

This doesn't make any sense unless you have also redefined the 
K95 escape character to be Control-Underscore.  The normal 
escape character is Control-Right Bracket.

: When I try a similar approach for alt-C
:     set key \2147 \302    ; Alt-C
: 
: it doesn't work right.  Alt-C gets set to \46 instead.
: (I note that 302 mod 256 is 46, so I assume that the
: codes are limited to a single byte.)  

What is \302 supposed to be? 

: The reason I
: wanted to set it to \302 is that is the code used
: by the Clipper application for testing whether an
: alt-C key was pressed.  I suppose I'll run into the
: same problem with all the alt- keys.  Any ideas on
: how to work around this?

Try 

  SET KEY \01\46

: I tried turning on PCTERM by typing Ctrl-CapsLock while
: connected.  It didn't seem to do anything (and alt-X
: still returned me to command mode).  I also tried typing
: 
:   SET TERM PCTERM
: 
: in command mode, but got the error "?No keywords match -
: pcterm".  I wondered if I might have seen a mention that
: PCTERM wasn't working in K95 1.1.17, but couldn't find
: such a mention when I tried to find it again.  Even if
: I could turn PCTERM on, I'm not sure whether the Linux
: box and/or dosemu would be set to cope with it.

As documented in the New Bugs file:

  ftp://ftp.kermit-project.org/kermit/k95/newbugs.txt

PCTERM functionality was left out of 1.1.17 due to a fluke
compile flag error.  However, PCTERM is not the solution to your 
keyboard problem.  You need to read your INKEY.CH file and
create an appropriate keymap file for K95.

: SUMMARY:
: 
: So very much is working well that I am hopeful some
: or all of the remaining problems can be solved or worked
: around.  The most important probably is the box drawing
: character problem  (better to look good than to work good,
: as Billy Crystal might say).  Users could live with having
: to type Ctrl-PgDn twice.  I might substitute alternate
: keystrokes for whatever functions are now invoked by alt-
: keys.
: 
: Suggestions gratefully accepted.  When/if I get it
: all working, I'll be glad to post the final dosemu.conf
: and CLIPPER.KSC files.
: 
: I also hope to install a later (non-stable?) version of
: dosemu in case that changes anything for the better.
: 
: I note that if I log into the Linux box from another Linux
: box and use Linux's telnet, the display does have both
: proper box drawing characters and readable text (in that
: case I set dosemu to 'ibm').  There, though, I haven't
: found a solution yet to turning on the Ctrl-PgDn and
: Ctrl-PgUp keys, however the alt- keys work ok.  Is that
: a clue that PCTERM would be useful from K95?  However,
: for the application I have in mind, it is very unlikely
: that running Linux on all the workstations will be
: acceptable, so I'm really hoping for a K95 solution.

Its a clue that you should be using "ibm" and CP437.

What is the TERM type when you Telnet from Linux?

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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Hi,

Is there an upper limit to the size of a file that Kermit (K95 running
on NT4.0) can transmit?  Our application uses Kermit to transfer files
between two computers using TCP/IP over a dial-up PPP connection.  We
are conducting stress tests of the application by sending very large
files (100+ MB) between the systems.  We have noticed that the reception
of some files finishes even though the whole file has not been
completely sent.  In one test, a 180 MB file was only received as a 112
MB file.  Obviously, dial-up connections using such large files take a
long time.  Could line noise, static, etc.. cause this to occur?  Or is
there an internal limitation that we are runnng into?

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
-Michael C. Smith-




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In article <35D1B7CD.597FAF56@sonalysts.com>,
Michael C. Smith  wrote:
: Is there an upper limit to the size of a file that Kermit (K95 running
: on NT4.0) can transmit?  Our application uses Kermit to transfer files
: between two computers using TCP/IP over a dial-up PPP connection.  We
: are conducting stress tests of the application by sending very large
: files (100+ MB) between the systems.  We have noticed that the reception
: of some files finishes even though the whole file has not been
: completely sent.  In one test, a 180 MB file was only received as a 112
: MB file.  Obviously, dial-up connections using such large files take a
: long time.  Could line noise, static, etc.. cause this to occur?  Or is
: there an internal limitation that we are runnng into?
: 
There should be no limitation.  We routinely transfer files with Kermit 95
that are much larger than that.  If the file is not completely transferred,
the completion status should be "failure".  That is:

 . An IF FAILURE statement after the transfer command should succeed, or:
 . An IF SUCCESS statement after the transfer command should fail, or:
 . A SHOW STATUS command after the transfer command should say "FAILURE".

If this is not the case, please contact our help desk directly at:

  kermit-support@columbia.edu

The partial file is kept on the receiving end to allow recovery from the
point of failure (RESEND or SEND /RECOVER).  If desired, you can tell the
file receiver to SET FILE INCOMPLETE DISCARD to discard partially received
files instead of keeping them.

- Frank

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In article <6qseea$53f$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz  wrote:
: In article <35D1B7CD.597FAF56@sonalysts.com>,
: Michael C. Smith  wrote:
: : Is there an upper limit to the size of a file that Kermit (K95 running
: : on NT4.0) can transmit?  Our application uses Kermit to transfer files
: : between two computers using TCP/IP over a dial-up PPP connection.  We
: : are conducting stress tests of the application by sending very large
: : files (100+ MB) between the systems.  We have noticed that the reception
: : of some files finishes even though the whole file has not been
: : completely sent.  In one test, a 180 MB file was only received as a 112
: : MB file.  Obviously, dial-up connections using such large files take a
: : long time.  Could line noise, static, etc.. cause this to occur?  Or is
: : there an internal limitation that we are runnng into?
: : 
: There should be no limitation. 

Not exactly true.  There is a limitation caused by the use of a 32-bit
unsigned int to store the file size.  The Win32 APIs support files up
to 64-bits in length.  So for the time being you are limited to files of 
2GB in size.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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On 12 Aug 1998 16:29:53 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
wrote:
>use of a 32-bit unsigned int to store the file size.

vs.

>you are limited to files of 2GB in size.

Could you clarify? I would expect the clarification to be "4GB", though I
would understand "32-bit signed int" also. Of course, there may also be
something a good deal more esoteric!

-- 
Ron.

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In article <35d5e9cc.18839990@news.compuserve.com>,
Ron Heiby  wrote:
: On 12 Aug 1998 16:29:53 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
: wrote:
: >use of a 32-bit unsigned int to store the file size.
: 
: vs.
: 
: >you are limited to files of 2GB in size.
: 
: Could you clarify? I would expect the clarification to be "4GB", though I
: would understand "32-bit signed int" also. Of course, there may also be
: something a good deal more esoteric!

oops, I lost a bit. :-)

Its a 4GB limitation.



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                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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I know I'm missing something simple here, but when K95 runs (or just a
plain old DOS window), I never get a toolbar under the title bar. I've
looked everywhere obvious, but can't find the magic place that let's
you select Toolbar On/Off

Anybody know where I can find it?  Thanks!!

John M. Ritter

PS: I know the Windows version of K95 is due out this year, has
anybody heard of a date yet that narrows it down to a quarter or
month? I couldn't find an update on the web site...

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In article <35D04DFD.70684179@snowhite.mto.allied.com>,
John M. Ritter  wrote:
: I know I'm missing something simple here, but when K95 runs (or just a
: plain old DOS window), I never get a toolbar under the title bar. I've
: looked everywhere obvious, but can't find the magic place that let's
: you select Toolbar On/Off
: 
In Windows 95/98, click on the little icon in the upper left of the title
bar.  In the little menu, click on Toolbar.

In Windows NT, there is no Toolbar.

: PS: I know the Windows version of K95 is due out this year, has
: anybody heard of a date yet that narrows it down to a quarter or
: month? I couldn't find an update on the web site...
:
It will be ready as soon as we can get it ready.  I don't think this will
be any less than six months from now.

- Frank

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From: Ross Irvine 
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Hi All,
	I have just patched my fully working k95 1.1.15 up to the latest
1.1.17.

I now have a problem where I'm getting:
Executing I:\K95NEW\k95.ini for WIN32...
Done stuff
BEFORE OUT
?Connection on Crusader ISDN Digital Modem is not open.
BEFORE IN
?Connection on Crusader ISDN Digital Modem is not open.
BEFORE IF
Done init

The problem is the ?Connection on Crusader etc etc. (The name of the
modem is Crusader ISDN Digital Modem"

The INIT script is :

set modem type none
set tapi line Crusader_ISDN_Digital_Modem
set modem type tapi

set printer {HP LaserJet 5/5M - Letter}
set modem command init-string ATZ\{13}
set modem flow-control rts/cts
ECHO BEFORE OUT
OUTPUT \13ATZ\13
ECHO BEFORE IN
INPUT 3 OK
ECHO BEFORE IF
IF FAILURE ECHO Init Failed??


>From the above information you get the idea of what's happening. The set
tapi and set modem lines are not returning any errors. Put when you try
and access the modem you get the "modem not open" error.

Swapping back to 1.1.15 works fine (as it has for 6 months).

Ideas??

Regards..

--
Ross Irvine B.App.Sci(Comp.Sci.) CNA   
rirvine@breastscreenDOT.org.DOTau
Communications & Network Administrator  Ph : +61 3 9349-2744
BreastScreen Victoria                   Fax : +61 3 9349-2711
NOTE: E-mail address changed due to spam, humans will work it out.

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In article <35D28F36.6B6AFAA2@breastscreendot.orgdot.au>,
Ross Irvine   wrote:
: Hi All,
: 	I have just patched my fully working k95 1.1.15 up to the latest
: 1.1.17.

1.1.17 is stricter than 1.1.15 about enforcing the rules.  The rules
state that if SET CARRIER-WATCH is ON no data can be sent to the 
device unless a CD (RLSD) signal is dectected.  When it is set to 
AUTO the DIAL command may be issued before CD is active.

: I now have a problem where I'm getting:
: Executing I:\K95NEW\k95.ini for WIN32...
: Done stuff
: BEFORE OUT
: ?Connection on Crusader ISDN Digital Modem is not open.
: BEFORE IN
: ?Connection on Crusader ISDN Digital Modem is not open.
: BEFORE IF
: Done init
: 
: The problem is the ?Connection on Crusader etc etc. (The name of the
: modem is Crusader ISDN Digital Modem"
: 
: The INIT script is :
: 
: set modem type none
: set tapi line Crusader_ISDN_Digital_Modem
: set modem type tapi
: 
: set printer {HP LaserJet 5/5M - Letter}

This syntax is not necessarily going to be supported in the future.
Use:

  SET PRINTER /WINDOWS-QUEUE:HP_Laswerjet_5/5M_-_Letter

: set modem command init-string ATZ\{13}
: set modem flow-control rts/cts


SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF

: ECHO BEFORE OUT
: OUTPUT \13ATZ\13
: ECHO BEFORE IN
: INPUT 3 OK
: ECHO BEFORE IF
: IF FAILURE ECHO Init Failed??

Or you can use the DIAL command.


    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Is there any procedure to go through in order to get Kermit running on a new
hardware platform?  I have looked long and hard and can not get kermit to
work.  I am told that if I can get kermit compiled with the appropriate
hardware specific libraries, that I can get, it will probably work.

Is the source code available?  If so where do I go?

Thanks,
Steve



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In article <6r0c1p$sbu$1@sparky.wolfe.net>, Baus  wrote:
: Is there any procedure to go through in order to get Kermit running on a new
: hardware platform?  I have looked long and hard and can not get kermit to
: work.  I am told that if I can get kermit compiled with the appropriate
: hardware specific libraries, that I can get, it will probably work.
: 
: Is the source code available?  If so where do I go?
: 
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/

What is the new hardware, and what is the operating system?  Maybe there
already is a Kermit program for this platform that you don't know about,
or maybe work is already in progress.

- Frank

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	I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me how to send a
break in kermit to the other end of a serial line.  I use kermit and
freeBSD as a serial head for my SUN systems and would like to get to a
PROM promt, of which I need to send a break (same as stop-A on SUN
keyboard).  Any info would be helpfull.


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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <35d4c36e.167086078@news.csu.net>,
Toby Brinck  wrote:
: I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me how to send a
: break in kermit to the other end of a serial line.  I use kermit and
: freeBSD as a serial head for my SUN systems and would like to get to a
: PROM promt, of which I need to send a break (same as stop-A on SUN
: keyboard).  Any info would be helpfull.
: 
As stated in the manual, type the CONNECT-mode escape character (normally
Ctrl-Backslash) followed by the letter B to send a regular 250-msec Break,
or by the letter L to send a 1.5-second Long Break.  On a Telnet connection,
these send the Telnet Break command.

- Frank

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Do you think maybe the file got chopped in size due to newline
conversion?
-- 
Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Oooooo-oooo-oooo-ooooo, Ooooo-weem-oh-wum-ooo-ayyy
In the jungle, the silicon jungle, the process sleeps tonight.
Joe Philipps  http://www.servtech.com/~rchandra/
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In article <6r488b$kd7$1@post.servtech.com>,   wrote:
: Do you think maybe the file got chopped in size due to newline
: conversion?
:
Not if it was transferred in binary mode.  If sending from a CRLF system
(like DOS or Windows) to a NL system (like UNIX, OS-9, or AOS/VS) in text
mode, the new file will be shorter than the original.  When sending
*to* a CRLF system in text mode, the new file will be the same size (if
coming from another CRLF system) or longer (if coming from a NL system).

Therefore it is more likely that the transfer was interrupted in some
other way, and the receiving Kermit kept the partially received file.

If this happens consistently, of course, there's a problem.  If not, then
the explanation is probably in the connection rather than in the Kermit
software.

- Frank

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From: "Nashmark" 
Subject: An open letter of praise for KERMIT 95 SUPPORT
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Firstly, KERMIT95 is the best terminal emulation software for Windows you
will ever find! This note is not about that, however. It is about the
SUPPORT for the software, which, if you didn't know, is the MOST IMPORTANT
PART!

If you have never dealt with the people at Kermit support, take note.
KERMIT is supported by the people who wrote it!!! And they are the
greatest! 

If you EVER have a problem with KERMIT 95, just contact them. They will
solve the problem -- QUICKLY! I think it actually bothers them when there
is a problem to the point where they won't sleep until it's resolved! I'm
not lying!

Through the last year, when we were introduced to KERMIT, I have had a
variety of problems. I have been dealing with ancient systems with very old
terminal emulations (such as Hazeltine 1500). 

These guys have taken every problem, and solved it. This sometimes had to
be done by them writing a 'patch' -- within hours of me submitting the
problem! Try that with James River Corp, Quarterdeck (PCPLUS) or Microsoft
support. You MIGHT get a RESPONSE in a couple of days. But usually, they
will never admit a bug in their software, and you will NOT get the problem
resolved!

I recommend KERMIT95 for anyone who has a need for terminal emulation
through modems, telnet sessions, or even LAT connections. KERMIT95 beats
out the competition. Note the following:

1. KERMIT95 - price is <$100 !
2. KERMIT95 - MORE TERMINAL EMULATIONS THAN ANY OTHER CHOICE. THEY ALL
WORK!!!
3. KERMIT95 - More communication protocols. All work FAST!
4. ICETCP (James River) - VERY LIMITED, Horrible support. 
5. PCPLUS 4.0 - Way overblown, too expensive (If I am buying emulation
software, why do they include IE?)

And to Frank da Cruz and Jeffery Altman - THANK YOU!!!

-NASHMARK a/k/a PERRY WOLFE, COMPUDATA INC.

P.S. If you want to ask me anything about KERMIT, e-mail me. But don't be
afraid to contact them. Like I said, they are the greatest! And I do not
work for them.

http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html


 





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ALT-B = break in KERMIT95

Have a nice day!

PW/pw


Toby Brinck  wrote in article
<35d4c36e.167086078@news.csu.net>...
> 	I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me how to send a
> break in kermit to the other end of a serial line.  I use kermit and
> freeBSD as a serial head for my SUN systems and would like to get to a
> PROM promt, of which I need to send a break (same as stop-A on SUN
> keyboard).  Any info would be helpfull.
> 
> 

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Brainwave Surfer (agnew@gems.vcu.edu) wrote:

: I have a setup designed to work with windows for workgroups., but w3.11 is
: unavail.  We used to have dos pc's utilizing Ethernet kermit all over the
: place, but now the knowledge is lost.  I can get drivers, but how to link
: it all together is where it's bogging me.

The good news is, if it's been a while since you did it, it has gotten
easier.  MS-Kermit has TCP/IP built in.

Retrieve the latest MSKermit and go for it.
When you get stuck, I'll email my setup to you, but I don't use it anymore,
so I'll have to find it.
I was running the Client-32 driver set from Novell, with a couple of
changes to the net.cfg file to add the protocols needed by Kermit.

Kermit is available on the Internet via anonymous ftp from host 
watsun.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2]
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit

kermit/read.me kermit/bin/read.me explain file locations.

MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC with DOS or Windows:
  kermit/bin/msvibm.zip.  FTP in binary mode, unzip on your PC.
-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In my on-going quest for using Kermit's telnet from DOS or W95
to run a DOS Clipper application under the DOS emulator (dosemu)
on Linux, I have been doing some more experimenting.

Under Kermit95 (1.1.17), if I set the terminal type to linux
and if on the Linux box I set dosemu to use terminal 'ibm'
rather than 'latin', I _can_ get proper box drawing characters
and legible text but only if after starting dosemu I break
out to Kermit with alt-X and type

       set term char cp437

or

       set term char transparent

then re-enter telnet by typing c.

It doesn't work if I 'set term char cp437' prior to starting
dosemu.  This is very strange, isn't it?  Does anyone have
any idea what is going on?  It is as if Kermit and Linux
are in agreement about the protocol and then starting dosemu
changes that agreement.  (I'll also post this question to the
dosemu mailing list.)  Any idea how to fix this?  It is rather
inconvenient to use the above work around.

There is better news on the DOS Kermit (version 3.15) front.
I have given up on putting DOS Kermit into 25 row mode.  (Can
anyone tell me how to do it?)  Instead, I have changed the
Clipper application to write no more than 24 rows.  This does
work.  I set DOS Kermit to VT320 or to ANSI-BBS (it doesn't
seem to make a difference) and set dosemu to 'ibm'.  I get
legible text and proper box drawing characters.  With SET KEY
statements I can turn on PgDn, PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp.
The only funny thing here is that Ctrl-PgDn must be pressed
twice to work (same problem under Kermit95).  I can turn on F1
with

     set key \315  \28  ; F1

but I cannot get any of the other function keys to work.  They
all seem to need to be set to negative numbers, (that is, Clipper
compares the character code to the value -1 to see if it is the F2
key), so I would need to write something like

     set key \316  \-1  ; F2

but that doesn't work.  The function keys do work in Kermit95
with settings such as

     set key \316 \Kansif02  ; F2

but there doesn't seem to be the verb Kansif02 under DOS
Kermit.  Can anyone suggest a way to get the function keys
working (with Clipper) under DOS Kermit?

I still have some minor problems, such as the cursor flashing
in the upper left corner when Clipper thinks it has turned
the cursor off, and perhaps some graphic characters such as
diamond and downarrow not displaying just right.  I'd like
to cure these also, but could live with them.

There is no real urgency about any of this.  At this point
it is mainly a matter of curiosity.  I've gone this far
with it that I'd like to see if working all the way.


  -- Frank
  frank.sergeant@pobox.com


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In article ,
Frank Sergeant  wrote:
: In my on-going quest for using Kermit's telnet from DOS or W95
: to run a DOS Clipper application under the DOS emulator (dosemu)
: on Linux, I have been doing some more experimenting.
: 
: Under Kermit95 (1.1.17), if I set the terminal type to linux
: and if on the Linux box I set dosemu to use terminal 'ibm'
: rather than 'latin', I _can_ get proper box drawing characters
: and legible text but only if after starting dosemu I break
: out to Kermit with alt-X and type
: 
:        set term char cp437
: 
: or
: 
:        set term char transparent
: 
: then re-enter telnet by typing c.
: 
: It doesn't work if I 'set term char cp437' prior to starting
: dosemu.  This is very strange, isn't it?  Does anyone have
: any idea what is going on?  

More than likely dosemu sends escape sequences changing the
character-set.  SHOW CHARACTER-SET will show you the currently active 
characters sets.  Or it may be that during the initial telnet 
negotiations the terminal type is being negotiated to something other
than "linux".  There are many possibilities.

Why don't you use the debugging capabilities of Kermit 95 to 
generate a session log and a debug log so that we can determine 
exactly what is going on.

Before connecting to the host

  LOG SESSION
  LOG DEBUG

when you have disconnected from the host

  CLOSE SESSION
  CLOSE DEBUG

then zip the "session.log" and "debug.log" files and send them
to kermit-support@columbia.edu so that they may be examined.

: It is as if Kermit and Linux
: are in agreement about the protocol and then starting dosemu
: changes that agreement.  (I'll also post this question to the
: dosemu mailing list.)  Any idea how to fix this?  It is rather
: inconvenient to use the above work around.

If there is no other way to get it working you can always script 
the operation and assign it to a key for quick access.

: There is better news on the DOS Kermit (version 3.15) front.
: I have given up on putting DOS Kermit into 25 row mode.  (Can
: anyone tell me how to do it?)  Instead, I have changed the
: Clipper application to write no more than 24 rows.  This does
: work.  I set DOS Kermit to VT320 or to ANSI-BBS (it doesn't
: seem to make a difference) and set dosemu to 'ibm'.  I get
: legible text and proper box drawing characters.  With SET KEY
: statements I can turn on PgDn, PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp.
: The only funny thing here is that Ctrl-PgDn must be pressed
: twice to work (same problem under Kermit95).  

Is the character that you are assigning to Ctrl-PgDn an escape
character of some kind for "dosemu"?

: I can turn on F1
: with
: 
:      set key \315  \28  ; F1
: 
: but I cannot get any of the other function keys to work.  They
: all seem to need to be set to negative numbers, (that is, Clipper
: compares the character code to the value -1 to see if it is the F2
: key), so I would need to write something like
: 
:      set key \316  \-1  ; F2
: 
: but that doesn't work.  The function keys do work in Kermit95
: with settings such as
: 
:      set key \316 \Kansif02  ; F2
: 
: but there doesn't seem to be the verb Kansif02 under DOS
: Kermit.  Can anyone suggest a way to get the function keys
: working (with Clipper) under DOS Kermit?

MS-DOS kermit does not have the same level of built-in keymap
support that K95 does.  You will have to create your own keymap
file for MS-DOS Kermit that assigns the escape sequences sent 
by the ANSIFxx kverbs in kermit 95.  

However, I would be very surprised if the ANSIFxx kverbs did 
anything in Kermit 95 when you are using the Linux terminal 
type.  The Linux terminal type uses the DEC VT function keys
and not the ANSIFxx keys.  Therefore, ANSIFxx kverbs are disabled 
during Linux emulation and the DECxx kverbs are disabled during
general ANSI X3.64 based emulations such as AT386 and SCOANSI.

This confirms me thought that perhaps a different terminal
type is being negotiated by the linux box via telnet.

: I still have some minor problems, such as the cursor flashing
: in the upper left corner when Clipper thinks it has turned
: the cursor off, and perhaps some graphic characters such as
: diamond and downarrow not displaying just right.  I'd like
: to cure these also, but could live with them.

is this refering to MS-DOS Kermit or Kermit 95?  

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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Dear Netbeings, -- 

Due to circumstances I need to set up a 386sx 16Mhz pc with dos ethernet
kermit to use to replace dumb terminals...

I have a setup designed to work with windows for workgroups., but w3.11 is
unavail.  We used to have dos pc's utilizing Ethernet kermit all over the
place, but now the knowledge is lost.  I can get drivers, but how to link
it all together is where it's bogging me.

can anyone help with pointers, wisdom (sarcastic or otherwise ;-) )

or what?

Jim

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In article <1998Aug17.120544.1@gems.vcu.edu>,
Brainwave Surfer  wrote:
: Due to circumstances I need to set up a 386sx 16Mhz pc with dos ethernet
: kermit to use to replace dumb terminals...
: 
: I have a setup designed to work with windows for workgroups., but w3.11 is
: unavail.  We used to have dos pc's utilizing Ethernet kermit all over the
: place, but now the knowledge is lost.  I can get drivers, but how to link
: it all together is where it's bogging me.
: 
Look in your MS-DOS Kermit directory, subdirectory NETWORKS, file
SETUP.DOC.  It should all be in there.

- Frank

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Anyone know where I can get a modem script for a HAYES Accura 28800 V.34 +
FAX modem for Kermit 3.14?  Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Don



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In article <6rcgp9$3og$1@news.duq.edu>, Don Sullivan  wrote:
: Anyone know where I can get a modem script for a HAYES Accura 28800 V.34 +
: FAX modem for Kermit 3.14?  Any help would be appreciated.
: 
Look in the MODEMS subdirectory of your KERMIT directory.  ULTRA144.SCR
is for the Hayes Ultra 14.4, but should work just as well with the Accura
or Optima.

- Frank

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In article <6ra5d6$esj$1@samba.rahul.net>, dold@79.usenet.us.com writes:
> Brainwave Surfer (agnew@gems.vcu.edu) wrote:

Thank you both, Clarence and Frank, i'll wander off and do my homework now..

thanks!!!!

Jim
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I just installed RedHat Linux 5.1
I wanted Kermit.
As I went to fetch the most recent source from
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
I noticed that there was a Linux RPM, from RedHat.

I downloaded it, and tried to install, but it wanted libncurses.
so I installed libncurses from the RedHat CD-ROM #1.
(Maybe I didn't get the version that Kermit wanted...)

Now Kermit runs, but it complains that it doesn't know about 
set terminal type linux
It also doesn't seem to know about vt102...

Did I miss something fundamental?

I could fetch the source, and build it myself, but if there is already an
RPM sitting there, from RedHat, it seems sensible to try it.

-- 
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In article <6rfbf3$giv$1@samba.rahul.net>,   wrote:
: I just installed RedHat Linux 5.1
: I wanted Kermit.
: As I went to fetch the most recent source from
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
: I noticed that there was a Linux RPM, from RedHat.
: 
: I downloaded it, and tried to install, but it wanted libncurses.
: so I installed libncurses from the RedHat CD-ROM #1.
: (Maybe I didn't get the version that Kermit wanted...)
: 
It wouldn't have linked successfully if that were the case.

: Now Kermit runs, but it complains that it doesn't know about 
: set terminal type linux
: It also doesn't seem to know about vt102...
: 
C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator.  When you gave it a "set terminal type"
command, it should have said something like:

$ kermit
[/home/me] C-Kermit>set terminal type
 Sorry, this version of C-Kermit does not support the SET TERMINAL TYPE
 command.  Type "help set terminal" for further information.
[/home/me] C-Kermit>

Terminal emulation is supplied by the console or xterm window in which you
are running C-Kermit.

(n)curses uses the terminfo entry for your Linux terminal type (TERM value) 
to control the formatting of C-Kermit's fullscreen file-transfer display.

- Frank

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In article <6rfbf3$giv$1@samba.rahul.net>,   wrote:
: I just installed RedHat Linux 5.1
: I wanted Kermit.
: As I went to fetch the most recent source from
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit
: I noticed that there was a Linux RPM, from RedHat.
: 
: I downloaded it, and tried to install, but it wanted libncurses.
: so I installed libncurses from the RedHat CD-ROM #1.
: (Maybe I didn't get the version that Kermit wanted...)
: 
: Now Kermit runs, but it complains that it doesn't know about 
: set terminal type linux
: It also doesn't seem to know about vt102...
: 
: Did I miss something fundamental?
: 
: I could fetch the source, and build it myself, but if there is already an
: RPM sitting there, from RedHat, it seems sensible to try it.

C-Kermit does not provide terminal emulation services.
Therefore, there is no SET TERMINAL TYPE command.
Your terminal is the window (or console) in which C-kermit is executing.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
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I recently upgraded from Redhat Linux 5 to 5.1.  With the upgrade 
however, kermit now gives the following message when starting up

Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"

I'm using the ckermit-6.0.192-7.rpm installation.  The terminal emulation 
seems to work fine but transfers no longer use fullscreen mode so it's 
a minor annoyance.  If anyone has any ideas on why the warning is 
being given, please let me know.

Thanks,

-- Dzung

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Terminal warnings with RH5.1
Date: 20 Aug 1998 13:24:32 GMT
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In article <6rfhje$jun@news.jhu.edu>,
Dzung Pham  wrote:
: I recently upgraded from Redhat Linux 5 to 5.1.  With the upgrade 
: however, kermit now gives the following message when starting up
: 
: Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"
: 
: I'm using the ckermit-6.0.192-7.rpm installation.  The terminal emulation 
: seems to work fine but transfers no longer use fullscreen mode so it's 
: a minor annoyance.  If anyone has any ideas on why the warning is 
: being given, please let me know.
: 
C-Kermit uses (n)curses to format the fullscreen file-transfer display.
(n)curses, in turn, uses the terminfo database.  When C-Kermit starts, it
checks your TERM environment variable and asks (n)curses if this terminal
type is acceptable.  If (n)curses says "no", it usually means your terminfo
database lacks an entry for the terminal whose name is the value of the TERM
variable, "xterm" in this case, and in that case C-Kermit disables its
fullscreen file-transfer display.

- Frank

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit file transfer with AMSOFT RS232
Date: 20 Aug 1998 14:36:13 GMT
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In article <1998081820424500.QAA29192@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
Zilog324  wrote:
: I've got a problem to transfer files from a PC (WIN95) to a CPC6128 by
: using a RS232C from AMSOFT (which is dated from 1985). So I've got some
: questions about that.
: 
: 1) How could I extract real files from a '.dsk' ? In order to transfert
: them one by one.
: 
: 2) I find a utility (PIP) in CPM+ which allow me to transfer text files,
: however I need to transfert binary files :)
: 
: 3) With hyperterminal on PC you can transfert files with the Kermit
: protcol.
: 
: So what I need is a CPM+ program which could allow me to transfer binary
: files.  I think that the '.COM' program from CPM are ASCII files so It
: shouldn't make any problem to transfert this one.
: 
Look for Kermit software in the Kermit Project archive at Columbia
University:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/

For CP/M:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cpm.html

Among the CP/M Kermit versions, you'll find one for the Amstrad CPC 6128.

- Frank

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From: dold@87.usenet.us.com
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Subject: Re: Terminal warnings with RH5.1
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: Dzung Pham  wrote:
: : I recently upgraded from Redhat Linux 5 to 5.1.  With the upgrade 
: : however, kermit now gives the following message when starting up
: : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"

Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: C-Kermit uses (n)curses to format the fullscreen file-transfer display.
: (n)curses, in turn, uses the terminfo database.  When C-Kermit starts, it
: checks your TERM environment variable and asks (n)curses if this terminal
: type is acceptable.  If (n)curses says "no", it usually means your terminfo
: database lacks an entry for the terminal whose name is the value of the TERM
: variable, "xterm" in this case, and in that case C-Kermit disables its
: fullscreen file-transfer display.

This is the problem I mentioned a few days ago.  RedHat 5.1 is my first try
at RedHat, so I didn't know that the kermit.rpm worked on any previous
version.

A program of my own construction that references curses works fine, so
there is apparently something wrong with the variety of curses that is
installed (there are several available), or the kermit.rpm needs to be
adjusted to correspond to some other change in RedHat 5.1

It doesn't matter what TERM is set to.  It doesn't find any of them.

In my program, I told it -lcurses and -lncurses.  Both worked.
It also didn't matter whether -DMINICURSES was included.

I tried to "make linux" from the fresh source for kermit, but that gave a
pile of errors.  I haven't looked at what, yet.

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Terminal warnings with RH5.1
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In article <6rhnfi$qu$1@samba.rahul.net>,   wrote:
: : Dzung Pham  wrote:
: : : I recently upgraded from Redhat Linux 5 to 5.1.  With the upgrade 
: : : however, kermit now gives the following message when starting up
: : : Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"
: 
: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : C-Kermit uses (n)curses to format the fullscreen file-transfer display.
: : (n)curses, in turn, uses the terminfo database.  When C-Kermit starts, it
: : checks your TERM environment variable and asks (n)curses if this terminal
: : type is acceptable.  If (n)curses says "no", it usually means your
: : terminfo database lacks an entry for the terminal whose name is the value
: : of the TERM variable, "xterm" in this case, and in that case C-Kermit
: : disables its fullscreen file-transfer display.
: 
: This is the problem I mentioned a few days ago.  RedHat 5.1 is my first try
: at RedHat, so I didn't know that the kermit.rpm worked on any previous
: version.
: 
: A program of my own construction that references curses works fine, so
: there is apparently something wrong with the variety of curses that is
: installed (there are several available), or the kermit.rpm needs to be
: adjusted to correspond to some other change in RedHat 5.1
: 
: It doesn't matter what TERM is set to.  It doesn't find any of them.
: 
: In my program, I told it -lcurses and -lncurses.  Both worked.
: It also didn't matter whether -DMINICURSES was included.
: 
: I tried to "make linux" from the fresh source for kermit, but that gave a
: pile of errors.  I haven't looked at what, yet.
: 
OK, then it appears something is wrong:

 1. C-Kermit 6.0 predates Red Hat 5.1, as well as the newer Linux
    releases, glibc, etc etc.

 2. The C-Kermit RPM predates Red Hat 5.1.  It was made by a person
    at Red Hat who is no longer there.  Reportedly this RPM references
    ncurses 3.0.  I suspect that Red Hat 5.1 has some other version of
    ncurses and perhaps this is what is causing the trouble.

 3. C-Kermit 6.1, now in Beta test:

      http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck61.html

    is compatible with newer Linuxes, glibc, etc, and does not (itself)
    require any particular version of ncurses.  Grab the source from 
    op.cit., unpack it, and "make linux".  It should go smoothly.

If somebody would like to send in a replacement for the C-Kermit 6.0
RPM that works with all versions of Red Hat, including 5.1, be my guest.
I also hope somebody will be able to make RPMs for the next version of
C-Kermit when it is released.  If you're interested, please contact me.


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From: Tim Randles 
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Subject: DEC VT "DO" key
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I recently downloaded C-Kermit for Linux to use primarily as a dialup
terminal emulator for work.  The first thing I noticed however was the
lack of a key sequence for the DEC "DO" key.  Being able to send this is
essential for me because I use EVE as my text editor on VMS and this key
accesses the editor's command line.  To investigate this problem, along
with the many other outstanding features of Kermit, I purchased "Using
C-Kermit" which I have found to be an EXCELLENT reference.  I highly
recommend that all users of C-Kermit purchase this book.  For all of
it's great qualities however, the book did not provide me with an answer
to my "DO" key dilemma.  Can anyone out there tell me how to SET KEY for
this, or at least point me towards any info that may be of help?

Thanks in advance.
Tim


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In article <35DCB26E.4F67EEAD@megsinet.net>,
Tim Randles   wrote:
: I recently downloaded C-Kermit for Linux to use primarily as a dialup
: terminal emulator for work.  The first thing I noticed however was the
: lack of a key sequence for the DEC "DO" key.  Being able to send this is
: essential for me because I use EVE as my text editor on VMS and this key
: accesses the editor's command line.  To investigate this problem, along
: with the many other outstanding features of Kermit, I purchased "Using
: C-Kermit" which I have found to be an EXCELLENT reference.  I highly
: recommend that all users of C-Kermit purchase this book.  For all of
: it's great qualities however, the book did not provide me with an answer
: to my "DO" key dilemma.  Can anyone out there tell me how to SET KEY for
: this, or at least point me towards any info that may be of help?
: 
: Thanks in advance.
: Tim
: 


C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator.  Therefore, in addition to
not interpretting terminal escape seqeunces for screen display 
it does not provide keyboard verbs for terminal specific keyboard
escape sequences.  Unlike MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 which run 
as stand alone applications, C-Kermit runs within a X Window or
console environment.  It is this environment that provides your
terminal type including both screen display and keyboard input.

The C-Kermit SET KEY command may be used to map single character
values to other values, but it cannot recognize any of the special 
keys such as F1, Home, or PgUp.

    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
              612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025
  http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org

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From: Rob Irvine 
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Using server mode with K95 and TCP/IP network
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I am trying to have a PC using K95 startup in server mode, and then
allow a Unix system use Kermit to send it files in separate kermit
sessions, and for the PC to stay in server mode continuously.

I have disabled bye and finish on the server PC but get a screen of Ts
at the end of the first Unix kermit session.  Then I cannot start
another Unix kermit session successfully and have to abort the K95 job.

If I don't disable bye and/or finish I get the K95 server session
stopping at the end of each Unix kermit session or at the end of the
file send command.

I have been successful in using this concept with a PC using Dos Kermit
and a com1 port being in server mode to a Unix kermit session/s.

Any advice would be appreciated.


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Subject: Re: Linux - RedHat - ncurses - TERM?
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: In article <6rfbf3$giv$1@samba.rahul.net>,   wrote:

: : Now Kermit runs, but it complains that it doesn't know about 
: : set terminal type linux
: : It also doesn't seem to know about vt102...

Jeffrey Altman (jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: C-Kermit does not provide terminal emulation services.
: Therefore, there is no SET TERMINAL TYPE command.
: Your terminal is the window (or console) in which C-kermit is executing.

I did lead myself down the wrong path there.  I realized it a little
later.  What it is complaining about is the inability to do a
full-screen display for the file transfer indicator, due to not knowing
about TERM types vt102, or linux.
As I tried to follow the logic, it....

Wait a minute.  Maybe it's just a bad line in the ckermit.ini supplied from
Redhat.  Nope, I just checked.
It first says that full screen file transfer display is disabled, due to
the unknown terminal type, then it complains about not being able to set
the terminal type, which is a bogus line in one of the kermit.ini files
supplied from RedHat.

The line in the .ini file lead me to believe that it was supposed to be
able to set terminal type...  I should know better after all these years,
with different flavors of Kermit ;-)


Seems like this is purely a Linux-ncurses problem.  I did use kermit to
make a TCP connection to another box, and that works fine, with the native
screen controls (no emulation, as you note) working just fine.

-- 
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                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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In article <35DB7B52.FCC7A319@uq.net.au>,
Rob Irvine   wrote:
: I am trying to have a PC using K95 startup in server mode, and then
: allow a Unix system use Kermit to send it files in separate kermit
: sessions, and for the PC to stay in server mode continuously.
: 
: I have disabled bye and finish on the server PC but get a screen of Ts
: at the end of the first Unix kermit session.  Then I cannot start
: another Unix kermit session successfully and have to abort the K95 job.
: 
: If I don't disable bye and/or finish I get the K95 server session
: stopping at the end of each Unix kermit session or at the end of the
: file send command.
: 
: I have been successful in using this concept with a PC using Dos Kermit
: and a com1 port being in server mode to a Unix kermit session/s.
: 
: Any advice would be appreciated.

It is one thing to lock a Kermit in SERVER mode when you have a 
direct serial port connection that is not going to come and go.
However, this is a very bad idea when accepting incoming TCP/IP 
connections.  You do not provide a lot of information but I assume
you are attempting to perform the following:

  SET NETWORK TYPE TCP/IP
  WHILE TRUE {
    SET HOST /SERVER * 6000
    HANGUP 
  }

This answers an incoming connection on port 6000 and auto-starts 
SERVER mode.  When the connection drops, it waits for the next
call.  This is necessary because each new connection is going to
be on a different incoming TCP/IP port.  So the old port must be 
closed.  

There is a bug related to SET SERVER TIMEOUT and SET SERVER IDLE-TIMEOUT
in 1.1.17 that is producing the 'T's that you are seeing.




    Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
                 The Kermit Project * Columbia University
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: DEC VT "DO" key
Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:24:37 GMT
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: In article <35DCB26E.4F67EEAD@megsinet.net>,
: Tim Randles   wrote:
: : I recently downloaded C-Kermit for Linux to use primarily as a dialup
: : terminal emulator for work.  The first thing I noticed however was the
: : lack of a key sequence for the DEC "DO" key.  Being able to send this is
: : essential for me because I use EVE as my text editor on VMS and this key
: : accesses the editor's command line.  To investigate this problem, along
: : with the many other outstanding features of Kermit, I purchased "Using
: : C-Kermit" which I have found to be an EXCELLENT reference.  I highly
: : recommend that all users of C-Kermit purchase this book.  For all of
: : it's great qualities however, the book did not provide me with an answer
: : to my "DO" key dilemma.
:

The first paragraph of the Terminal Connection chapter (8) begins, "Most
versions of C-Kermit -- UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, VOS, etc -- provide terminal
connection without emulation.  These versions act as a 'semitransparent
pipe' between the remote computer and your terminal, terminal emulator,
console driver, or window, which in turn emulates (or is) a specific kind 
of terminal."

: : Can anyone out there tell me how to SET KEY for this, or at least point
: : me towards any info that may be of help?
:
In article <6riduv$3s1$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Jeffrey Altman  wrote:
: C-Kermit is not a terminal emulator.  Therefore, in addition to not
: interpretting terminal escape seqeunces for screen display it does not
: provide keyboard verbs for terminal specific keyboard escape sequences.
: Unlike MS-DOS Kermit and Kermit 95 which run as stand alone applications,
: C-Kermit runs within a X Window or console environment.  It is this
: environment that provides your terminal type including both screen display
: and keyboard input.
: 
: The C-Kermit SET KEY command may be used to map single character values to
: other values, but it cannot recognize any of the special keys such as F1,
: Home, or PgUp.
: 
In a regular xterm window, you can use xmodmap to set key values, as
described in the ckuker.bwr file.  But if you need VT220 emulation, perhaps
you'd do better with Thomas Dickey's Xfree86 xterm, which is, indeed, a
VT220 emulator:

  http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html

- Frank

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From: rchandra@hal9000.buf.servtech.com ()
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In article <6r49b1$3ec$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz  wrote:
>In article <6r488b$kd7$1@post.servtech.com>,   wrote:
>: Do you think maybe the file got chopped in size due to newline
>: conversion?
>:
>Not if it was transferred in binary mode.  If sending from a CRLF system
>(like DOS or Windows) to a NL system (like UNIX, OS-9, or AOS/VS) in text
>mode, the new file will be shorter than the original.  When sending
[...]

Yep, Frank, that's basically what I was thinking; one end (likely
receiving) was in text mode, and the other (likely sending) was in
binary mode.  When sending, there were some 13 10 or 10 13 (decimal)
combinations in the file, and the receiving end was dropping out the
13.  Or it was just summarily dropping all 13's.
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From: rchandra@hal9000.buf.servtech.com ()
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Subject: Red Hat Linux/Intel 5.1 and ncurses: suggestions
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Summary: There are several things that can be tried if "linux" is not recognized
Keywords: RedHat RPM 5.1
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Several factors can influence whether "linux" is recognized as a
terminal type on many Linux systems.

1.) Your program, or the libraries it linked with (if statically
  linked), or the libraries it dynamically links with at runtime, are
  looking for an entry in /etc/termcap that isn't there.  (not likely,
  but possible...I believe but am not certain that this is a very old
  practice in very old [n]curses library implementations to use a
  single file for all terminal descriptions.)

2.) Your program, or the libraries...are looking for a terminfo file
  that just plain isn't there.  (also not so likely, since many people
  in other recent message threads said that other programs work OK).

3.) Your program, or the libraries...are looking for a terminfo file
  that is stored at a pathname that isn't expected by your program,
  the libraries--and so on.  I forgot if I read this in the errata Web
  page or where exactly I discovered this (Netscape install?  Acrobat
  install?), but it may just be that one libc (let's say for sake of
  argument, libc5, but I don't know this to be true) expects your
  terminfo to be in /usr/share/terminfo, and the other (let's say
  libc6/glibc) expects /usr/lib/terminfo.  I remember that the
  specific instructions in this bugfix/workaround were to do the
  following or equivalent:

      cd /usr/lib
      ln -s ../share/terminfo ./terminfo

	 - or -

      ln -s /usr/share/terminfo /usr/lib/terminfo

  So what this says is that the terminfo database/directory structure
  can be accessed by either path.  When something goes to reference
  /usr/lib/terminfo, the symlink redirects it to essentially
  /usr/share/terminfo, which is where it really resides on your
  system.  I personally prefer wherever possible to use relative
  symlinks, because they still hold, more often than break, across
  mount points, particularly NFS mounts, where the directory structure
  may be different on the different systems.


  Hope this helps some folks.

  Any corrections to this/suggestions?
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From: patric jaeger 
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Subject: mac terminal
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 15:58:27 -0400
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hello folks,
unfortunatly networking is not supported by the kermit version mac 0.993. 
please, can somebody give me an idea of how to connect a mac-laptop to a
linux-box via serial connection using tcp?
please respond tp pjaeger@compugrafia.com, if any.
thanks a lot.
patric
ps: i use your book, frank. great!



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Hi,

Trying to use kermit in a Unix environment attached to self contained
a specialized fax server with its own built in OS.  I should be able to
download internal files from it using xmodem or ymodem.  I have had
difficulty performing this functions successfully with kermit.  I have been
able to download using xmodem using hyperterminal.

As you might gather this is straight communication through kermit through a
serial port and interacting directly to the fax servers built in command
sets.  Can anyone help me with some tips?


Thanks,


Emil Rivas



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <6rjvrb$rop$1@news1.cftnet.com>,
Emil Rivas  wrote:
: Trying to use kermit in a Unix environment attached to self contained
: a specialized fax server with its own built in OS.  I should be able to
: download internal files from it using xmodem or ymodem.  I have had
: difficulty performing this functions successfully with kermit.  I have been
: able to download using xmodem using hyperterminal.
: 
: As you might gather this is straight communication through kermit through a
: serial port and interacting directly to the fax servers built in command
: sets.  Can anyone help me with some tips?
: 
The current version of Kermit for UNIX is C-Kermit 6.0:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html

As you probably know, C-Kermit does not include X, Y, or Zmodem protocol.
However, it does allow you to select these as external protocols, provided
you have the appropriate modules (such as rz/sz, etc), which come from other
sources.  The procedure for using external protocols is given in Chapter 14
of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd Edition:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html

You should also read Item 38 in the Kermit FAQ:

  http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
  ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt

- Frank

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From: drepasky@inreach.com (Dick Repasky)
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How do I send curly braces {} using the output command in IBM-PC
MS-DOS kermit 3.14?  This is driving me crazy because I have a script that
works fine in C-kermit but won't work in ms-dos kermit.

Thanks,

dick

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In article <6rc32t$sap$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote:

 

     Thank you very much.  I have sent the log files
and answers to the other questions to the support email
address as you suggested.  I don't see that any of this
is related to bugs in Kermit.  I'll look forward to any
further suggestions you can make and will be glad to
post a summary to the newsgroup later.


  -- Frank
  frank.sergeant@pobox.com


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From: dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich)
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Art L. (art1958@yahoo.com) wrote:
: Starman wrote:
: > 
: > I a looking for a version of XMODEM that will work with KERMIT 6. on a
: > SCO 5.2 system. I have tried download the new version of XMODEM from
: > www.omen.com. but I can not get it to work.

Try to find lrzsz package. Omen's Z/Y/X modem will not work if you're
dialing out.

Ciao!

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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:

> 
> Today's term: Kermit 

Nice one.  Too bad C-Kermit is the only solution we've found for
telnet access to OS/390 Unix services.  I guess "obsolete" ==
"works"

- David

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David J Fiander writes:

> Nice one.  Too bad C-Kermit is the only solution we've found for
> telnet access to OS/390 Unix services.  I guess "obsolete" ==
> "works"

Today's term: legacy system

n. a system that works.

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Rich Pieri  / Warning: pregnant women, the
Sysmonster, Unix Wrangler                / elderly, and children under 10
Prescient Technologies, Inc.            / should avoid prolonged exposure to
I speak for myself, not PTI or SWEC    / Happy Fun Ball.

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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article ,
Dick Repasky  wrote:
: How do I send curly braces {} using the output command in IBM-PC
: MS-DOS kermit 3.14?  This is driving me crazy because I have a script that
: works fine in C-kermit but won't work in ms-dos kermit.
: 
Curly braces are special only when at the beginning and end of the OUTPUT
string:

  OUTPUT {foo}    sends  foo
  OUTPUT {{foo}}  sends  {foo}

As you have noticed, this is different from C-Kermit, which does not strip
braces from the OUTPUT string at all, and so in C-Kermit:

  OUTPUT {foo}    sends  {foo}
  OUTPUT {{foo}}  sends  {{foo}}

So yes, this is an inconsistency.

When braces are other positions, the behavior is consistent:

  OUTPUT foo{}bar sends  foo{}bar

- Frank

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In article ,
charlie@pc.antipope.org (Charlie Stross) wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:38:38 -0500, Frank Sergeant 
>  wrote:
> Ahem. Isn't there a Clipper clone for Linux (called Flagship, IIRC)?

     There certainly is.

> Have you considered porting to it?

     I have considered it and am still considering it.
However, there is a certain amount of work involved in
converting to the point that I could test it to see
how well it works.  The FlagShip people talk like there
is essentially no work involved in converting the DOS
Clipper code to FlagShip, but past experience with
similar claims makes me disbelieve this.  I haven't
given up on it, though.  I do have the FlagShip demo
installed and have compiled and run one of their small
test programs.  The test program is ugly, to my eyes,
so at the very least, FlagShip is not showing off their
product to best advantage.  At least with dosemu, my
exact same DOS executable runs, without requiring any
recompiling or relinking whatsoever.  The FlagShip
compiler would cost $620 (including shipping).  Naturally,
I'd like to avoid that cost, all else being equal.

     I'm happy to hear other opinions and/or experience
in this area.

     Right now Kermit and Linux/dosemu is looking pretty
good, and Kermit support is helping me work out a few
remaining kinks (which aren't really Kermit problems,
as far as I can tell).  When things stabilize, I'll post
the details of how I get it all to work together.


  -- Frank
  frank.sergeant@pobox.com


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I'm using SCO 3.2.4 with sz/rz:
Send file(s) with ZMODEM/YMODEM/XMODEM Protocol
        (Y) = Option applies to YMODEM only
        (Z) = Option applies to ZMODEM only
sz 1.14 09-06-86 for SYS III/V by Chuck Forsberg

These commands work great the ckermit's "redirect" command.

Matthew

In article <6rrlp8$l0f@glas.apc.org> dz@mir.glas.apc.org (Dmitry the Zuryanovich) writes:
>Art L. (art1958@yahoo.com) wrote:
>: Starman wrote:
>: > 
>: > I a looking for a version of XMODEM that will work with KERMIT 6. on a
>: > SCO 5.2 system. I have tried download the new version of XMODEM from
>: > www.omen.com. but I can not get it to work.
>



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rchandra@hal9000.buf.servtech.com wrote:
: 3.) Your program, or the libraries...are looking for a terminfo file
:   that is stored at a pathname that isn't expected by your program,
:   the libraries--and so on.  I forgot if I read this in the errata Web
:   page or where exactly I discovered this (Netscape install?  Acrobat
:   install?), but it may just be that one libc (let's say for sake of
:   argument, libc5, but I don't know this to be true) expects your
:   terminfo to be in /usr/share/terminfo, and the other (let's say
:   libc6/glibc) expects /usr/lib/terminfo.  I remember that the
:   specific instructions in this bugfix/workaround were to do the
:   following or equivalent:

:       cd /usr/lib
:       ln -s ../share/terminfo ./terminfo

: 	 - or -

:       ln -s /usr/share/terminfo /usr/lib/terminfo


Winner!
I did the link.

Now kermit, as supplied by RedHat as an RPM, now works.
It is apparently looking for /usr/lib/terminfo.

How stupid of RedHat not to have included the link, if they changed the
location of /usr/lib/terminfo between version 5.0 and 5.1


-- 
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

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From: chris@athena.ibex.co.nz (chris burgess)
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hi,

i have to upload a ROM file to a modem to go from flex to v.90. the process
is this:
 - wake up modem
 - say "AT**"
 - get "Download initiated"
 - upload file 1 in text mode to modem
 - get "Upload flash rom"
 - upload file 2 in text mode to modem

i've tried to replicate the steps (instructions written for NT/mac and all
clicky draggy) but it gives me "too many retries" and dies. i'm doing:

[root@corky /root]# kermit
 Warning: terminal type unknown: "xterm"
 Fullscreen file transfer display disabled.
 Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX ...
 Sorry, terminal type unknown: "xterm"
 Executing /etc/kermit/ckermit.local.ini ...
  Adding system dialing directory /etc/kermit/ckermit.phone ...
 Good Afternoon!
 C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux
  Copyright (C) 1985, 1996,
   Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
 Default file-transfer mode is TEXT
 Type ? or HELP for help.
 C-Kermit@corky> set line /dev/ttyS1
 C-Kermit@corky> set file type ascii
 C-Kermit@corky> connect
 Connecting to /dev/ttyS1, speed 57600.
 The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
 Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
 or followed by ? to see other options.

 Download initiated ..

 (Back at corky.ibex.co.nz)
 C-Kermit@corky> send /home/archives/files/hardware/rockwell/LOAD4IN1.S37 
         0  100%       0      23  [OK] <- prints "S%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%"
 Z
 ?Too many retries.
         0  100%       0      23  [OK]
 Z
 C-Kermit@corky> 

can someone point me in the right direction here, please?

cheers!

chris
==========================================================================
http://garage.ibex.co.nz  -  buy, sell, trade computer equipment for free!
==========================================================================
                    chris burgess  



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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article ,
chris burgess  wrote:
: i have to upload a ROM file to a modem to go from flex to v.90. the process
: is this:
:  - wake up modem
:  - say "AT**"
:  - get "Download initiated"
:  - upload file 1 in text mode to modem
:  - get "Upload flash rom"
:  - upload file 2 in text mode to modem
: 
: i've tried to replicate the steps (instructions written for NT/mac and all
: clicky draggy) but it gives me "too many retries" and dies. i'm doing:
: 
: [root@corky /root]# kermit
: ...
:  C-Kermit@corky> set line /dev/ttyS1
:  C-Kermit@corky> set file type ascii
:  C-Kermit@corky> connect
:  Connecting to /dev/ttyS1, speed 57600.
:  The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
:  Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
:  or followed by ? to see other options.
: 
:  Download initiated ..
: 
:  (Back at corky.ibex.co.nz)
:  C-Kermit@corky> send /home/archives/files/hardware/rockwell/LOAD4IN1.S37 
:          0  100%       0      23  [OK] <- prints "S%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%T%"
: 
It is sometimes a bit tricky to decode modem manuals and tip sheets.
When they say "upload in text mode", they might not mean what you think.

In the "send" command above, try replacing the word "send" with with
"transmit".

And be sure to set C-Kermit and the modem to RTS/CTS (hardware) flow control.

- Frank

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Plant Monitoring System
System Health Monitor


Written By:    Robert S. Kennedy
Date:         August 14, 1998



   I work for a utility company, and one of my many functions here is to
maintain a Plant Monitoring System (PMS).

   This PMS is a complex, redundant system.  It uses a high-speed,
intelligent, distributed Data Acquisition System (DAS) to collect and
produce plant data, and transmit this data to host processors.  The data is
manipulated and validated by application programs, and then presented to
operations personnel and other pertinent users on video terminals, plotters,
and printers.  The key to configuring, controlling, and maintaining this
complex configuration is knowledge of the hardware, peripheral components,
applications, and the software design and implementation.

   The PMS runs on two VAX 4000-600 host computers per unit, on ethernet
nodes.  There are 24 additional 4000-90a micro-vax workstations.  We use VMS
ver. 6.1 on our 4 main hosts.  Because of the major complexity of this
system, it can fail in many ways; Disk Drive space is usually at a premium;
printer queues consistently fail, or stop; or the DAS shuts-down.  Any one
of these failures is highly visible to the users of this system, therefore
it is important to resolve  these failures in a timely manner.  In the past,
we had a pager for which the operations department could call in the event
of a computer emergency.  We would respond as quickly as we could to resolve
the problem, but many times the effort was too late.  The need to respond
more quickly or to look for emerging issues was becoming more and more at
hand.

   After a brainstorming session with other individuals from my group, we
came up with a solution.  This solution was that a DCL Command procedure
could run once an hour and check various items in the system, like disk
space, stopped queues, or if the DAS were down.  If there existed any
problem on any hour, any one of the four host nodes could call us on our
digital pager with some form of numeric code describing the problem.  That
solution worked, and worked well, until we started adding more functions to
this "System Health Checker".  The more we added, the more codes were
needed, and pretty soon, we needed to carry around a "cheat sheet" with a
description of all the codes.  What we needed was one of those new "fancy
dancy" alphanumeric pagers, so the system could call us and tell us in
"English", not numbers, what has gone wrong.

   While 'surfing' the Internet one day, when I happened upon a website,
'www.columbia.edu' and found a 'Kermit' page there.  I was familiar with the
use of "Kermit" through our VAX/VMS systems, and started reading about the
new release of "C-Kermit".  Being a programmer who knows how to read and
program in "C", I became more curious.  I downloaded the newest version of
"C-Kermit" for our VAX/VMS system and installed it, and found that it ran
perfectly and without a hitch.  As I went on to read the miscellaneous
documents, I found that this version of "C-Kermit" was not freeware, but
shareware and that I should purchase the book as payment for the program.
After receiving the book, I breezed through it and found a section on
"Calling an Alphanumeric Pager".  This was just what the "doctor ordered".
After talking to the people whom we use for our pagers, I was able to
receive all the necessary documents on how to use their Telocator
Alphanumeric Protocol (TAP).  Using, as a guide, the example macro in the
C-Kermit book on "sending a one-line alpha page using TAP", I was able to
send the alpha messages to our newly acquired on-call alpha pager.  Loaded
with this new technology, I was able to apply this to our "Health Checker".

   Our "Health Checker" now performs approximately 17 separate functions on
an hourly basis per host node.  The system monitors Disk Space; Queues; the
DAS;  other systems attached to our PMS through a serial link; miscellaneous
applications; as well as monitoring itself.  One of the four nodes is
responsible for checking the other three to see if the "Health Checker" is
running in the "SYS$BATCH" queue or not.  Each of these separate sub-modules
has the ability to call the alpha pager with a message describing the
problem.  This is done by a system-wide logical pointing to a DCL command
procedure, that basically runs "C-Kermit" with script code using the TAP.
Once an hour all four nodes check their respective functions, and twice a
day, the system will page us with a message that each of these four nodes is
"AOK".

   C-Kermit opened up the door for us to perform this proactive search for
problems and a means by which to contact us in the event of an emergency
with a well-defined "English" message.  This is most effective around 03:30
in the morning when the system calls to tell us that DAS is down, or any
other type of problem.  If we were still using that "Digital pager", we
would need to find, then lookup the code describing the problem.  This, for
most of us, is difficult at three in the morning.

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hello,

it seems the mac version of kermit is not that popular.
however my task is to connect a mac laptop (1400cs/166) via serial
connection to a linux box, to simulate the login procedure and the
communication with the apache server, etc.
i'd like to connect with kermit to the getty-process running on the
linux box, because it seemed to me that kermit is a great thing with all
that features.
i was pretty disappointed when i realized that kermit for mac doesn't
deal with the tcp-protocol.
who can give me an idea what to do?
for example 'how do i hang up without quitting the connection?', or 'how
can i use tcp with kermit for mac at all?'
i cannot believe that it is impossible!
thanks for your time.

regards
patric jaeger



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In article <35E868AB.A0F10B8A@compugrafia.com>,
pj   wrote:
: it seems the mac version of kermit is not that popular.
:
Primarily because we have not been able to find a Macintosh programmer
to work on it since about 10 years ago.  Volunteers are always welcome.

: however my task is to connect a mac laptop (1400cs/166) via serial
: connection to a linux box, to simulate the login procedure and the
: communication with the apache server, etc.
: i'd like to connect with kermit to the getty-process running on the
: linux box, because it seemed to me that kermit is a great thing with all
: that features.
: i was pretty disappointed when i realized that kermit for mac doesn't
: deal with the tcp-protocol.
: who can give me an idea what to do?
:
A Macintosh programmer would have to adapt the C-Kermit TCP/IP networking
module for MAC TCP.

Sorry I don't have a better answer.  We'd be very happy to support the
Macintosh at the same level we support DOS, Windows, OS/2, UNIX, VMS, etc,
but where are the Macintosh programmers?

- Frank

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In article <6rsai6$n7e$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz  wrote:
>In article ,
>Dick Repasky  wrote:
>: How do I send curly braces {} using the output command in IBM-PC
>: MS-DOS kermit 3.14?  This is driving me crazy because I have a script that
>: works fine in C-kermit but won't work in ms-dos kermit.
>: 
>Curly braces are special only when at the beginning and end of the OUTPUT
>string:
>
>  OUTPUT {foo}    sends  foo
>  OUTPUT {{foo}}  sends  {foo}
>
>As you have noticed, this is different from C-Kermit, which does not strip
>braces from the OUTPUT string at all, and so in C-Kermit:
>
>  OUTPUT {foo}    sends  {foo}
>  OUTPUT {{foo}}  sends  {{foo}}
>
>So yes, this is an inconsistency.
>
>When braces are other positions, the behavior is consistent:
>
>  OUTPUT foo{}bar sends  foo{}bar
>
>- Frank

I know this would require you to revise your existing scripts, but for
portability, would it be possible to use \123 ( == "{" ) and
\125 ( == "}" )?  It has the disadvantage of not being as
straightforward, and it would therefore need comments to explain what
they are (for well-written scripts, anyway).  Or you may need to use
\{123} and \{125}, depending on context.

I can't run MSK, so I couldn't tell ya if it works...just a caveat
emptor suggestion.
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Does C-Kermit 6.0 have some sort of built-in support for SOCKS4 protocol?

Alternatively, has anyone had any success packing up the appropriate 
SOCKS4 request, using SET HOST to connect to their SOCKS4 server, 
transmitting the request there, and so obtaining a connection through 
such a server?  If so, I'd like to see an outline of the script.

Thank you for your kind attention.

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I'm humiliated to write this because I was transferring files using
Kermit back in the mid-80's.  But K95 is a lot fancier and my brain
cells have dried up.  Anyway, here's my setup:

desktop running NT, null modem cable in com2
laptop running NT, null modem cable in com1
both machines have K95 installed

I've tried (from the K-95> prompt on my desktop ) to "set line 2") and
then to set speed.  But when I type "dir" I get the contents of my
desktop directory.   What I hoped I'd get is a prompt asking me to log
into the laptop.

Anyway, you get the picture.  Any advice?  Thanks in advance.

Norman Miller




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In article ,
  wrote:
: Does C-Kermit 6.0 have some sort of built-in support for SOCKS4 protocol?
: 
Yes, if you build it in a certain way, described in Section 8.1.1 of the
ckccfg.doc file:

8.1.1. Firewalls

There exist various types of firewalls, set up allow separate users of an
internal TCP/IP network from the great wide Internet.  Of course, this could
be accomplished most easily and safely by simply not connecting the internal
network to the Internet, but in many cases some restricted forms of access are
needed.  Thus a "firewall" is set up to allow only authorized accesses.

One firewall method is called SOCKS, in which a proxy server allows users
inside a firewall to access the outside world, based on a permission list
generally stored in a file.  SOCKS is enabled in one of two ways.  First, the
standard sockets library is modified to handle the firewall, and then all the
client applications are relinked (in systems where linking is not dynamic)
with the modified sockets library.  The APIs are all the same, so the
applications do not need to be recoded or recompiled.

In the other method, the applications must be modified to call replacement
routines, such as Raccept() instead of accept(), Rbind() instead of bind(),
etc, and then linked with a separate SOCKS library.  This second method is
accomplished in C-Kermit by including -DCK_SOCKS in your CFLAGS, and also
adding:

  -lsocks

to LIBS, or replacing -lsockets with -lsocks (depending on whether the socks
library also includes all the sockets entry points).

Explicit firewall support can, in general, not be a standard feature or a
feature that is selected at runtime, because the SOCKS library tends to be
different at each site -- local modifications abound.

The ideal situation occurs when firewalls are supported by the first method,
using dynamically linked sockets-replacement libraries; in this case, all your
TCP/IP client applications will negotiate the firewall transparently.

(end quote)

- Frank

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After reading some of the posts I plugged a modem tester into the null
modem cable.  The following lights are on: TD, RD, RTS, DTR.

Norman Miller



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In article <35EAE447.DECCA625@mail.trincoll.edu>,
Noyekh Miller   wrote:
: I'm humiliated to write this because I was transferring files using
: Kermit back in the mid-80's.  But K95 is a lot fancier and my brain
: cells have dried up.  Anyway, here's my setup:
: 
: desktop running NT, null modem cable in com2
: laptop running NT, null modem cable in com1
: both machines have K95 installed
: 
: I've tried (from the K-95> prompt on my desktop ) to "set line 2") and
: then to set speed.  But when I type "dir" I get the contents of my
: desktop directory.   What I hoped I'd get is a prompt asking me to log
: into the laptop.
: 
You probably have NT confused with some other operating system like UNIX,
that lets people log in from serial ports :-)

: Anyway, you get the picture.  Any advice?  Thanks in advance.
: 
You have to make the two Kermits talk directly to each other.  It's easy.
Tell each Kermit to:

  set port 1       ; (or 2, as appropriate)
  set speed 57600  ; (or other, but both the same)
  set flow rts/cts ; (assuming you've wired your cable correctly)
  connect  

at this point, whatever you type on one keyboard should show up on the
other's screen.  If not, you've probably got cable problems (see the Data
Communications appendix in your "Using C-Kermit" book).

Now Alt-x on each.  Put one of them in server mode by typing "server"
at the K-95> prompt.  Then type all further commands at the other one's
K-95> prompt: remote directory, remote cd, remote pwd, get, send, finish.
See the Client/Server chapter of the book.

This is pretty much the same as you would have done with MS-DOS Kermit back
in the good old simple days.

- Frank

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In article <6sfhis$4hi$1@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>,
jeff l sue  wrote:
: In article <6s1kq5$65p$1@client3.news.psi.net>,
: Bob Kennedy  wrote:
: >
: > [...]
: >
: >   C-Kermit opened up the door for us to perform this proactive search
: >for problems and a means by which to contact us in the event of an
: >emergency with a well-defined "English" message.  This is most effective
: >around 03:30 in the morning when the system calls to tell us that DAS is
: >down, or any other type of problem.  If we were still using that "Digital
: >pager", we would need to find, then lookup the code describing the
: >problem.  This, for most of us, is difficult t three in the morning.
: 
: I totally agree that C-Kermit is a good product.
: But, what do you do if someone doesn't receive a page for an error message?
: This happens for lots of reasons in my world.
: 
That's the good thing about alpha paging.  TAP is a protocol that lets the
page sender know whether the page was delivered successfully -- at least to
the paging service.  Of course it is the paging service's responsibility
to deliver it to the pager.  And of course it is also the responsibility of
the person carrying the page to read the page promptly and respond to it,
but that's somewhat beyond software control.

When TAP says the page was not delivered, the Kermit script can be coded to
retry until it is, requeue for later transmission, send the page to an
alternative destination, or any other desired recovery procedure.

This is in sharp contrast to beepers and numeric pagers, for which no
feedback is available, which makes it impossible for Kermit (or any other
software) to know whether a page was sent successfully.

- Frank

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