From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 22:43:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 01:00:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!ruhr.de!reswi!postmaster From: ralf@reswi.en.open.de (Ralf E. Stranzenbach) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 29 Mar 1995 22:43:47 GMT Organization: News Server fuer en.open.de Lines: 33 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jodokus.en.open.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file (set file collision discard). How can i decide if kermit has really successfully completed the transmisson? A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if they've worked perfectly well. My logout script looks like finish xif failure { - finish, - if failure finish - } This works, but needs a loooooong time to complete. - ralf -- Ralf E. Stranzenbach at Home: +49 2302 / 96200-3 at Work: +49 231 / 75892-15 "Ich bin auch mit gebrauchtem Denken zufrieden!" - Charlie Brown From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 03:57:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 05:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: script and automatic learning Message-Id: <1995Mar29.095716.45989@cc.usu.edu> Date: 29 Mar 95 09:57:16 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , josef@ltssun1 (Josef Bigun) writes: > I wonder if it is possible to prepare a > script file automatically by letting > kermit watch your actions? > > Alternatively, is there a way to mark > automaticaly what one types in when > connected to a remote host? When I log > the session to a file, it does record everything but > there is no way to know what has been produced by me, > so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, > to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. ----------- No, there isn't. Such utilities capture raw keystrokes, down below DOS and the BIOS on DOS machines, don't even dream of this on non-DOS machines, and stuff them into a file. Clever, and sometimes useful. The recommended drill is to log a session, then write a short script based upon the observed dialogue. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 08:35:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 07:35:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!ian From: ian@bris.ac.uk (Ian Craddock) Subject: Kermit freezes (help!) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: adder.ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 08:35:16 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. In general I have no trouble connecting and once the connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a connection is established but the welcome message from the remote system just _stops_ part way through. When this happens I can't type anything in the terminal window and I can still hear modem data if I pick the phone up. I can give the hangup command from the kermit prompt and that works ok, but I still cant get the modem to respond if I go back to the terminal screen. If I quit kermit and start it again the problem usually remains (and kermit often tells me it can't verify the port). The only solution seems to be to quit and restart Windows. Since the problem is a bit sporadic I haven't been able to work out whats going on but its really starting to annoy me! I'd be very grateful if anyone can offer any opinions/advice on what the problem might be! Thanks, Ian. ian.craddock@bristol.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 21:29:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:18:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-server.ncren.net!mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us!aje From: aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 28 Mar 1995 21:29:08 GMT Organization: MCNC / NC-REN Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it explain how this is accomplished. Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. Ugh. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Andrew Joesph Esposito Systems Administrator Western Carolina Forklift Inc. voice: (910) 668-0959 fax: (910) 668-3833 From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:28:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:28:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:28:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 44 Message-Id: <3lef6r$4s1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, Andrew J. Esposito wrote: >Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. >DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, >MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says >that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it >explain how this is accomplished. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 comes in a special "medium" edition for small systems. The small size is accomplished by removing the network support and the graphics terminal emulation. On its own -- i.e. without a lot of macros defined and screen rollback buffers allocated (hint hint) it occupies about 200K of memory, give or take 5K -- so you might be able to squeeze it in. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. The program you want to try is KERMITE.EXE (not KERMIT.EXE). You might need to run it without the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, which defines a bunch of macros, which add memory: kermite -f nul and you might also need to set the KERMIT environment variable to disable rollback: SET KERMIT=ROLLBACK 0 If it's still too big, we can probably dig up an old pre-3.0 version that would fit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:43:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:43:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Clobbering the Last Line Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:43:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: >1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered >whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: `eval resize` >2. How can I get kermit to take advantage of the data compression >ability the box says it has? > I have a 2400 baud modem; I have tried SET SPEED 4800 or more, >but the modem refuses to respond. . . It does not give me an "OK" >after the AT command. > Use the high-speed modem dialing script appropriate to your modem. It will enable data compression, error correction, speed matching, and RTS/CTS flow control. >3. How can I improve my file transmission rate? > Read our FAQ. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:49:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08693 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:49:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for C-Kermit 5A HPUX binary Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:49:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lege3$8fb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William and Alice Englander wrote: >Is the binary available for C-Kermit 5A for HPUX (HP9000/857)? > No. We have one for the model 700. If somebody wants to send in one for the 800, let me know. >C-Kermit 4E came with our system, but I'd like to use some of the >newer features. I understand that the source is available, but >I'm not well enough versed in C, etc. to know what to do with it. >Also, we just have the C compiler that came with the system, not >the ANSI one. > You don't need to know C to build C-Kermit. anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file cku190.tar.Z (or .gz for gunzip). Uncompress, untar, and then: make hpux90 (assuming you are running HP-UX 9-point-something) which should produce an executable called "wermit". Try it out and if it's OK, install it as "kermit" in the desired location, such as /usr/local/bin. Read the ckuins.doc file for additional installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 14:58:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 09:58:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: PUT returns "illegal" SUCCESS Date: 30 Mar 1995 14:58:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3legu6$9rn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ralf E. Stranzenbach wrote: >i've done a s mple kermit script that does a "put" to transfer some >data files between two systems. But unluckily the PUT command returns >SUCCESS even if the other side's servers decides to discard the file >(set file collision discard). > This should have been fixed in version 5A(190). >A second (minor) problem. "BYE" and "FINISH" do return FAILURE even if >they've worked perfectly well. > It doesn't happen here, at least not with version 5A(190). Please try the current version. If you still have these problems, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 15:05:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 10:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit freezes (help!) Date: 30 Mar 1995 15:05:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3lehbb$aei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ian Craddock wrote: >I've been using the latest version of ms-kermit on my PC to connect >to a remote (unix) system. I run Kermit via a .pif file from >Windows 3.1 (on a 486 PC). I have an USR Sportster 14400 int. modem. >In general I have no trouble connecting and once the >connection is running it is extremely reliable, however about >one time out of ten I run kermit, dial up the remote system, a >connection is established but the welcome message from the >remote system just _stops_ part way through. > It's next to impossible to diagnose problems like this from afar, but the most likely cause is something to do with interrupts: . Two devices are using the same interrupt . Some software besides Kermit is catching the same interrupt . Spurious interrupts are being generated by a flaky device Another likely cause is a buggy modem or motherboard. Internal modems almost always spell trouble. Another likely cause is your Windows configuration -- COM port definitions, memory management, etc etc. Read all of the hints in your KERMIT.BWR file, particularly section 6. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 18:36:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29147 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 30 Mar 1995 23:05:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 18:36:22 GMT Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C "\"pcsend $source $target, quit\""] and set s [system $kermit $flag -y /vol/local/chat/kermrc -C 'pcget $tempname $target, quit'] This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload operation. At that point they can browse rthe system and perform other operations that I do not want them to be able to do. Fortunately, we had taken other measures to prevent users from spawning a shell, so overall system security has not yet been compromised. The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the following gcc -o wermit ckcmai.o ckutio.o \ ckufio.o ckcfns.o ckcfn2.o ckcfn3.o \ ckuxla.o ckcpro.o ckucmd.o ckuus2.o \ ckuus3.o ckuus4.o ckuus5.o ckuus6.o \ ckuus7.o ckuusx.o ckuusy.o ckuusr.o \ ckucon.o ckudia.o ckuscr.o ckcnet.o -lcurses -ltermcap ld: Undefined symbol _gettcs collect: ld returned 2 exit status *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `wermit' Current working directory /vol/local/kermit-5A-190/src *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `sunos41gcc' I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. BTW: I'm running kermit-5A-190 under SunOS4.1.3 and using gcc-2-4-5 for compilartion. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 11:48:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 05:08:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!epflnews!epflnews.epfl.ch!josef From: josef%ltssun1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Josef Bigun) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: script and automatic learning Date: 29 Mar 1995 11:48:58 GMT Organization: Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne Lines: 30 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ltssun1.epfl.ch Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wonder if it is possible to prepare a script file automatically by letting kermit watch your actions? Alternatively, is there a way to mark automaticaly what one types in when connected to a remote host? When I log the session to a file, it does record everything but there is no way to know what has been produced by me, so that I can use this information, say in an emacs macro, to prepare a script file. I use c-kermit 5A. Thanks -- =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. Dr. Josef Bigun Swiss Federal Institute of Technology e-mail: Josef.Bigun@epfl.ch Tel: +41 21 693 2796 Fax: +41 21 693 7600 Mail Address: EPFL; DE-LTS; CH-1015 Lausanne; Switzerland www : http://ltswww.epfl.ch/ =.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=.=. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 07:39:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 07:39:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.joensuu.fi!norssi9.joensuu.fi!norssiyalu From: norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: Thu, 30 Mar 1995 16:45:17 Organization: University of Joensuu Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: norssi9.joensuu.fi X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. Thanks a lot in advance Anja From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:02:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:03:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:02:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: : ... : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload : operation. : ... : The question is this. How do I prevent the users from reaching the : `C-Kermit>' prompt. I tried compiling with KFLAGS=-DNOICP, but got the : following: : : ld: Undefined symbol : _gettcs : That would be a bug -- I'll fix it. : I did a `make clean' ahead of time so I'm guessing that no-one in the : Unix world has bothered trying this option. Even if I solve this : problem, I kind of suspect that it won't work as expected since the `-C : whatever' command probably needs the command line interpreter. : That's correct. : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. : Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. Read about them in ckccfg.doc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 14:08:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 31 Mar 1995 14:08:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3lh2c8$pnj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. > MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does all of this. It has a built-in TCP/IP stack that works in Windows over packet drivers, and it supports display of Finnish text during terminal emulation when the host is using the 7-bit Finnish ISO 646 character set, or 8-bit ISO 8859-1 Latin Alphabet 1, or any of about a dozen proprietary character sets. Furthermore, it also converts the special characters of Finnish (and many other languages) between the host character-set and your IBM PC code page as part of text file transfer. Read Chapter 13, International Character Sets, of the manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" for complete details. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/archives, binary mode, file msvibm.zip. If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other file you might have modified. Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME file for further installation instructions. For complete, step-by-step instructions on using MS-DOS Kermit, please purchase the manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 01:34:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 09:40:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 30 Mar 1995 01:34:46 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ... input 20 login: output peter\13 input 10 sword output xyzzy\13 ... I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) Then the script times out, sends the password, and *now* I see the Pasword: prompt. MS Kermit 3.14 PL 3 SCO UNIX Oh, this works fine on a Sun (Solaris 2.4) Thanks for any help .... -- Peter Renzland Peter@Passport.Ca 416 323-1300 Je danse donc je suis EntP Toronto Traditional Social Dance Calendar: finger/mail dance@passport.ca http://www.passport.ca/~dance From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 17:26:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05024 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:26:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trivial login script fails -- help Date: 31 Mar 1995 17:26:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3lhdvs$4sh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ld1rm$5qb@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >... >input 20 login: >output peter\13 >input 10 sword >output xyzzy\13 >... > >I see the login prompt, then the script says "peter", >then _nothing_ (the script swallows the Password: prompt) > Try doing it like this: input 20 {login: } if fail stop 1 No login prompt output peter\13 input 10 {Password: } if fail stop 1 No Password prompt pause 1 output xyzzy\13 It's always good to have error handling. The other change is to INPUT the *entire* prompt. UNIX login does not permit typeahead, and it is likely that your script started sending the password too soon. (The "pause 1" might not be necessary, but better safe than sorry.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Mar 30 05:04:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 12:51:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!news.intercon.com!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.gasou.edu!gsu!kjb From: kjb%gsu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Keith Barrs) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: frame size? Date: 30 Mar 1995 05:04:57 GMT Organization: Georgia Southern University Lines: 2 Message-Id: <3lde5p$lt4@informer.cc.GaSoU.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsu.cs.gasou.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu looking for kermit protocol for the macintosh From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 19:15:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 16:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!uunet!fonorola!infoshare!passport.ca!peter From: peter@passport.ca (Peter Renzland) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 31 Mar 1995 19:15:21 GMT Organization: Passport Online Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: diplomatic.passport.ca X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #2 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server should work, right? but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. works without security. (i.e. if i leave out the first line above) should it work? (i.e. is it implemented in msdos kermit?) and from which ckermit version on? thanks. -- Peter From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 16:09:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:33:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14515 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 19:32:57 -0500 Date: 28 Mar 1995 16:09:45 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: randys@awinc.com (Randal N. Streilein) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Message-Id: Control: cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Subject: cmsg cancel <3l95np$3jj@kelowna.awinc.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Spam cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 11:14:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17776 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:20:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Message-Id: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Date: 31 Mar 95 17:14:19 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: > I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also > intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. ----------- You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. It's a DOS program with Windows-smarts. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 01:39:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13638 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 31 Mar 1995 20:37:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 02:39:00 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? I would like to se an example-script if you have one. //thanks in advance! Markus From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 17:07:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 12:25:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!nettle.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@nettle.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 1 Apr 1995 17:07:23 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: nettle.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Is anyone using this feature in the new 191 beta release yet? >I would like to se an example-script if you have one. ------ ; PUCC_SLIP.KRM ; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp ; using C-Kermit 5A(191) ;-------------------- ;variable definitions ;-------------------- ;serial port number def \%o 1 ;machine name ;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu ;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) ;def \%a 128.46.161.160 def \%a 128.46.161.85 ;login def \%l laird ;password def \%p secret ;shell prompt def \%r % ;--------------------------------- ;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start set line com0 ;start SLIP.EXE !start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts ;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize !slipwait ;"share" port with SLIP.EXE set line slipcom\%o set speed 57600 ;call PUCC :DIAL dial 496-1440 if error goto DIAL ;get initial prompt output \013 input 5 username> if error goto DIAL ;send bogus userid 'cause it doesn't matter output os2user\013 ;get annex prompt input 10 > if error goto DIAL ;telnet to machine output telnet \%m\013 ;perform login sequence unixlogin \%l \%p \%r if error goto DIAL ;output BREAK to get back to annex prompt output \b ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;get a clean connection output set session passall\013 ;get annex prompt input 5 > if error goto DIAL ;return to telnet session output fg\013 ;get another shell prompt output \013 input 5 \%r if error goto DIAL ;turn off messages and start TIA output mesg n;tia\013 ;get TIA acknowledgement input 10 eady if error goto DIAL ;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port set line com0 ;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. ; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. ; The following is just because I usually want to run ; telnet. ; You could also add lines like ;!start EXPLORE.EXE ; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will ; automatically start after connection. ;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) net tcp/ip \%m ;login to machine (again) unixlogin \%l \%p \%r ;present terminal emulation screen connect From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 19:28:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00953 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 14:28:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking tcp/ip-protocol Date: 1 Apr 1995 19:28:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3lk9h9$tj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <1995Mar31.171419.46228@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , >norssiyalu@joyl.joensuu.fi writes: >> I am looking for Kermit for Windows, that use TCP/IP-protocol. I am also >> intresting any other emulator, which can show Scandinavian letters. >----------- >You have it. MS-DOS Kermit v3.14. It runs fine in Windows, has >it's own internal TCP/IP stack, does all but Norse glyphs. > ^^^ Oops, I think Joe meant "does all Norse glyphs" -- all the accented Roman letters, plus Thorn and Eth for Iceland(*) (and Old Norse). We had Thorn in Old and Middle English too, as anyone who ever had to read "Sir Gawain and the Green Knight" in the original will attest. Kermit does not, however, as yet handle Runes, but I am pleased to announce that a computer encoding for the Futhark has been developed and as soon as somebody makes a code page (or PC font) for it, Kermit will be ready :-) OK, so it's April 1st and you think I'm kidding? Point your Web browser at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/runes.html - Frank (*) Disclaimer: Iceland does not consider itself part of Scandinavia. From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:44:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06180 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 16:44:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!uunet!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!csbh!scvikevich From: scvikevich@mhv.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Bad Press ?? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:44:06 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net Summary: bad press Keywords: kermit, zmodem X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the Frog. ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM recovers from transmission errors more effectively than the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an interruption means downloading the entire file again. I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user community. Serge ........................................................................... . Serge Cvikevich e-mail: scvikevich@mhv.net TEL/FAX: 914-463-3035 . . . . Microanalysis Hardware & Software Support . . 47 Clover Hill Drive . . Poughkeepsie, NY 12603-3201 . ........................................................................... From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 23:20:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29543 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 1 Apr 1995 22:10:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Getting result code from external command? Date: Sat, 01 Apr 1995 18:20:31 -0500 (EST) Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if it worked and send some sort of message... Thanks MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 16:07:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:32:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!Belgium.EU.net!god.bel.alcatel.be!btmp2h!mupp From: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 31 Mar 1995 16:07:15 GMT Organization: Alcatel Bell Telephone, Antwerpen, Belgium Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Reply-To: mupp@btmp2h.be (Manindar Uppal SH37 9612) Nntp-Posting-Host: btmp2h.sh.bel.alcatel.be Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? TIA. M.Uppal From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 1 20:10:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!nntp.darmstadt.gmd.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!cs.tu-berlin.de!byteshif From: byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de (byteshifter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 01 Apr 1995 20:10:24 GMT Organization: TU Berlin Fachbereich Informatik Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.cs.tu-berlin.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Agbaglo | byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de | (this field intentionally left blank) From news@columbia.edu Tue Mar 28 13:34:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 05:56:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit in limited memory environment? Message-Id: <1995Mar28.193440.45947@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Mar 95 19:34:40 MDT References: <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3l9v34$7qq@inxs.ncren.net>, aje@mars.gtcc.cc.nc.us (Andrew J. Esposito) writes: > Please don't laugh. We have a few PC's sitting around with 256K of RAM. > DOS takes up 54K, which leaves me with 202K. Kermit needs 220K (pg. 10, > MS-DOS KERMIT by C.M. Gianone). Now in this nifty little book it says > that KERMIT will run on more or less memory -- but nowhere does it > explain how this is accomplished. > > Work has spent thousands already on their HP server (good support, but > they really need it -- quirky OS) and my "chalange" is to come up with > "miracle" solutions at "K-Mart" prices. > > Ugh. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. > -- > Andrew Joesph Esposito > Systems Administrator > Western Carolina Forklift Inc. > voice: (910) 668-0959 > fax: (910) 668-3833 --------------- Programs invariably grow larger with time, some spectacularly so, alas. MS-DOS Kermit is no exception to the rule but not to the second part. Depending on your needs version 3.14 is offered in three sizes: regular full featured, medium-sized MSK which removes TCP/IP and other networking support and graphics, and BBS sized MSK Lite. The last also omits terminal emulation and is a file mover rather than that plus terminal emulation. I suspect the medium size might be a good choice since the XT's likely have no networking. Please do inspect these variations for the best match at your site. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, binary file msvibm.zip has them all. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 12:48:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10079 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 08:48:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 12:48:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3lm6e4$9qp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: > >when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more >than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's >how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? In C-Kermit the command is SET FILENAME LITERAL. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:29:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:30:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit FAQ ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:29:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqf6$453@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Mar31.180447@btmp2h.be>, Manindar Uppal SH37 9612 wrote: >Can anyone direct me to a kermit FAQ ? > ftp: host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit, file faq.txt Web: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/, then go to "Further information". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:31:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:31:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3lmqib$48u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, byteshifter wrote: :when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more :than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's :how can I convince kermit to keep to filename ? : SET FILE NAMES LITERAL - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 18:35:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04648 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 14:35:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Getting result code from external command? Date: 2 Apr 1995 18:35:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3lmqpc$4h3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lkn74$inq@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: >In Kermit 5A(190), how do I test the return code of an external command? >i.e. If I shell out to execute some script, I'd like to be able to see if >it worked and send some sort of message... > This does not work in version 5A(190) and earlier. This feature will be added to the next release. - Frank x x From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 20:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13879 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 16:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS KERMIT as host? with password? Date: 2 Apr 1995 20:44:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3ln2bk$dhj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhkc9$m8h@vatican.passport.ca>, Peter Renzland wrote: >O.K. I have both editions of Using MS DOS Kermit. >set server login USERNAME PASSWORD >server > >should work, right? > Yes, and it does. >but when i call from a Unix host i don't get any indication that >a username and pasword is required. i just can't get anywhere. > Using the current versions of MS-DOS Kermit -- 3.14 -- and UNIX C-Kermit -- 5A(190) -- everything works as advertised, and I'm pretty sure this is also true of earlier versions. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set server login USERNAME PASSWORD server (as you did) and then if you send any commands to it from the UNIX C-Kermit client without logging in first, it sends back a message saying "REMOTE LOGIN is required". Then if you tell the C-Kermit client to: remote login USERNAME PASSWORD MS-DOS Kermit sends back a message saying "Kermit-MS Server ready", and then accepts REMOTE, SEND, GET, FINISH, etc, commands if they have not been DISABLE'd. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Mar 29 07:52:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:56:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 17:55:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Capture macro Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 13 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Wed, 29 Mar 1995 07:52:28 +0000 Message-Id: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user imput to change this. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 2 23:28:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 2 Apr 1995 19:28:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 2 Apr 1995 23:28:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk>, Michael Bernardi wrote: >Has anyone written a macro which will capture on screen text, to a file, >without ESCape sequences. Invoked by pressing a key combination (eg Alt+C) >you get PROMPTED for a file name, which you can then type. Alternatively >you can be GIVEN a default name which can be edited. > >I'm not even sure if this is possible using MS-Kermit. I think I have >managed to getthis to work for a default filename. BUT I can't get user >imput to change this. > The screen is dumped to a file using the \Kdump verb. This copies the on-screen text (without highlighting, colors, etc) to a plain-text file. No escape sequences. The default file is KERMIT.SCN in the current directory. If it already exists it is appended to. The \Kdump verb is assigned to Ctrl-End by default, and you can move it around with SET KEY. The screen-dump file can be changed with SET DUMP. This is all in the manual. You want a "hot key" that prompts the user for a filename to save the screen text to. Well, we can write a macro to do this, and then assign it to the desired key, along with the \Kdump verb. First let's write the macro. define getdumpfile echo SCREEN DUMP REQUESTED,- :loop,- ask \%9 {File to dump to: },- if not def \%9 goto loop,- if exist \%9 goto done,- open write \%9,- if success goto ok,- echo Error: \%9 can't be created,- goto loop,- :ok,- close write,- delete \%9,- :done,- set dump \%9,- connect This macro not only prompts for the filename, but also checks whether the named file can actually be used; if not it goes back and reprompts. Now to assign the whole process to (say) Alt-C (Alt-Shift-C), do: set key \2862 {\{Kgetdumpfile}\{Kdump}} (The arrangement of braces and slashes is a bit mysterious, but is documented in the KERMIT.BWR file.) Embellish or simplify as desired. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 17:41:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:17:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!goya!tid.tid.es!tid.tid.es!not-for-mail From: leon@tid.tid.es (Jose Leon Gonzalez Alvarez) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help me mix expect and kermit? Followup-To: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 3 Apr 1995 19:41:51 +0200 Organization: Telefonica I+D Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3lpc0v$qit@tid.tid.es> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: tid.tid.es X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27128 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2404 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ajay Shah (ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in) wrote: : I'm trying to automate kermit using expect and many things are : behaving strangely. : Is there something perverse about kermit in this respect? As : long as I do not say "connect" expect and kermit mix perfectly. : The moment I say connect things get hairy. : If you have a expect program, or words of wisdom on this front, : I would love to hear from you. I'm running expect on a Austin : 486 notebook running linux. : Thanks, : -ans. : -- : ------------------------- : Ajay Shah, Centre for Monitoring Indian Economy, Bombay : ajayshah@cmie.ernet.in (9-7 GMT+5:30) http://www.cmie.ernet.in/~ajayshah : <*(:-? - wizard who doesn't know the answer. Finger me for pgp public key Hi, I am using expect to operate a kermit connection and things go smoothly to me. I have a HP workstation running HP-UX 9.0. Do you have kermit controlling a modem line? That's what I have and most of my problems where related to the "Hayes-controlled" setup of the modem. Best regards, Leon _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ ..... 888 888888 Leon Gonzalez Alvarez ..... 888 88888888 TELEFONICA c/ Emilio Vargas, 6 ..... 888 8 888 888 INVESTIGACION 28043 Madrid (SPAIN) ooooo 888 88888 888 888 Y Phone: +34 1 337 4729 ooooo 888 8 88888888 DESARROLLO Fax: +34 1 337 4352 ooooo 888 888888 E-mail: leon@tid.es _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 20:13:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:42:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!bcm!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 16:13:22 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it after it's been successfully transfered. What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but with a macro instead of get. I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping over file names selected by a wild card pattern. It would probably be useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should probably be a different step from the implicit looping. [Right now, I do os specific things to build a kermit script then execute it...] Personally, I have no immediate need for this feature, but I suspect it would make my life simpler next time around. -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 22:22:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19303 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: >I've spent a lot of time and energy on using kermit as a reliable file >mover. Typically, this boils down to sending a file and deleting it >after it's been successfully transfered. > Future releases of Kermit will have a MOVE command that will do this. In fact, the latest OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Beta edit has this feature, but so far no other Kermit programs do. >What I originally wanted to be able to do was something like get * but >with a macro instead of get. > I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? >I think it would be very useful to be able to use implicit looping >over file names selected by a wild card pattern. > We have this in C-Kermit. We don't have it in MS-DOS Kermit. >It would probably be >useful to factor this into two steps: gathering the names should >probably be a different step from the implicit looping. > In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 05:36:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 01:36:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 4 Apr 1995 05:36:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kyler Laird wrote: I hope you don't mind my hacking, but I thought I could add one or two ideas. >; PUCC_SLIP.KRM >; Use this script to SL/IP into PUCC from OS/2 Warp >; using C-Kermit 5A(191) > >;-------------------- >;variable definitions >;-------------------- > >;serial port number >def \%o 1 > >;machine name >;def \%m coastal.ecn.purdue.edu >def \%m nettle.ecn.purdue.edu > >;machine address (use "tia -address" to find out) >;def \%a 128.46.161.160 >def \%a 128.46.161.85 > >;login >def \%l laird > >;password >def \%p secret > >;shell prompt >def \%r % > >;--------------------------------- > >;set to bogus line so that SLIP.EXE can start >set line com0 You could also say SET NETWORK TCP/IP or anything else that changes the port from the one that SLIP.EXE is defined to use. > >;start SLIP.EXE >!start "SL/IP into PUCC" /n /min slip -com\%o -ifconfig 192.0.2.1 \%a +defaultroute -p2 -rtscts > I'm not sure that the -comN variable is needed if you have a properly configured SLIP.CFG file. >;wait for SL/IP connection to initialize >!slipwait > >set line slipcom\%o This could have been done without SLIPWAIT by using the following C-Kermit code: :waiting set port slipcom\%o xif failure { pause 1, goto waiting } >set speed 57600 > >;call PUCC I would replace this whole dialing section with a Services Directory entry. > >;release shared serial port by setting to bogus port >set line com0 I like to use the same port just so I know that the SLIP Driver was released. set port com\%o This will fail after the SLIP Driver is released. If you didn't know the address at dial in time, but instead were told it during the login statement, you would need to parse the incoming data for the IP address and then make appropriate calls to ifconfig.exe and possibly update the RESOLVE file at this point. > >;*Note that you could just put "quit" here. >; The SL/IP stuff is all going on in another session. >; The following is just because I usually want to run >; telnet. > >; You could also add lines like >;!start EXPLORE.EXE >; so that TCP/IP applications (like Web Explorer) will >; automatically start after connection. > Good points. >;connect to machine via TCP/IP (telnet) >net tcp/ip \%m > >;login to machine (again) >unixlogin \%l \%p \%r > Again, this is perfect for a Service Directory entry. >;present terminal emulation screen >connect > Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 16:55:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:44:44 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 16:55:48 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article , > Rick Mallett wrote: > : I'm using kermit for file upload/download in conjunction with a Unix > : restricted shell text-based menu interface that should prevent all > : direct access to Unix shell commands. Files are uploaded/downloaded by > : way of expect scripts where the invokation is as follows: > : ... > : This seems to work OK except that I found the other day that users can > : escape to the kermit prompt by typing several CTRL-C's during the upload > : operation. > : ... [portion deleted] > : Is there another compilation flag that will give me the result I want. > : > Try -DNOPUSH. This should prevent any type of shell access from the > C-Kermit prompt. Or try -DNOCTRLC. This should make Ctrl-C (SIGINT) > exit the program rather than returning to the prompt. I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after issuing a line similar to the following: kermit -C 'pcget file, quit' Any other suggestions would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:44:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 19:44:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to disable C-Kermit CLI Date: 4 Apr 1995 23:44:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3lslkn$qe8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lh21v$mni@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: : I tried using both -DNOCTRLC and -DNOPUSH but that didn't work. I had already : eliminated shell access by other means but I still need to stop users from : getting to a c-kermit prompt and browsing the system at that point. Here is : the make line I issued (after a make clean of course). : : make sunos41gcc "KFLAGS=-DNOCTRLC -DNOPUSH" : : I was still able to type CTRL-C and reach the C-kermit prompt after : issuing a line similar to the following: : Oops, sorry, I meant -DNOCCTRAP. If there are still holes that you need to plug, please email me directly (cuts down on newsfeed delay). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 23:00:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06880 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:42:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mac hebrew support? Date: 4 Apr 1995 17:00:54 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? (and if so how easy is it for novices to use) i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 08:15:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 4 Apr 1995 21:43:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!gs.dfn.de!zam103!min007.min!rolf From: rolf@minvax.min.kfa-juelich.de (rolf skowronek) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad Press ?? Message-Id: <2096@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de> Date: 4 Apr 95 08:15:33 GMT References: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Sender: news@zam103.zam.kfa-juelich.de Reply-To: R.Skowronek@KFA-Juelich.de Organization: KFA-Juelich Lines: 50 Nntp-Posting-Host: min007 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu scvikevich@mhv.net wrote: : May be Columbia U. should sue these publications for misrepresentation. : here are examples: published in "net.speak" (Hayden Books), 1994 : author: Tom Fahey, ISBN: 1-56830-095-6 : Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol : developed at Columbia University. Kermit is the slowest : file transfer protocol, but useful when sending 7-bit : characters. (Naturally, despite its lackluster transfer : speed--or perhaps because of it--Kermit is a favorite : of many educational institutions. Its status as freeware : has also endeared it to thrifty educators everywhere.) : Yes, it's named in honor of Sesame Street's Kermit the : Frog. : ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. ZMODEM : recovers from transmission errors more effectively than : the other popular protocols. In addition because ZMODEM : operates in batch mode, you can download or upload several : several files at a time. Finally, if a transmission is : inerrupted halfway during a file transfer, you can log : and pick up the file transfer where it was cut off, only : downloading the "last" half. With other protocols, an : interruption means downloading the entire file again. : I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user : community. : Serge A couple of weeks ago a fetched the latest versions of Kermit for VAX and for PCs from Columbia. Frank da Cruz had been posting some hints on the various parameters to experiment with (block length, window slots, etc.), which turned out to be really valuable. With a VS3100 on the one end, a PC on the other connected by a 14400 compressing modem on a terminal server I had transfer rates of 1610 chars/sec on precompressed binaries. I am not convinced I've got the optimal setting bacause I did not experiment a lot - just followed Franks hints. When I connect to a local BBS using Zmodem, I dont't get any higher transfer rates either. But Kermit is not only a protocol - its a good terminal with many other facilities. I never had the need to continue an interrupted transfer yet but I am convinced Kermit will handle this condition well also. I have been using Kermit for many years and it turned out to be coping with practically every possible hardware configuration. My believe is if Kermit won't run - nothing else will. Rolf -- e-mail: r.skowronek@kfa-juelich.de From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 17:21:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 04:19:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!godot.cc.duq.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!nova!rockwell From: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu (Raul Deluth Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 4 Apr 1995 13:21:57 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 20 Sender: rockwell@nova.umuc.edu Message-Id: References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 3 Apr 1995 22:22:23 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz: I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for this feature. [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send command.] -- Raul D. Miller From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 04:20:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 08:49:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 08:20:19 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95094.082019HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu To CAPTURE VTxxx session (segments) to a file (E.g., VTXXX.LOG), without the VTxxx escape sequences imbedded, "take" the following MS-Kermit 3.14 script segment (thanks to Joe D.): ; Log session without Esc codes. Hot key toggle is Ctrl-PrintScreen. define WarnApnd Echo Note: Existing Session Log file VTXXX.LOG will, - Echo be appended until it's renamed or erased.\10, - run PAUSE assign \%u \Fsize(VTXXX.LOG) ; 'set printer' does not like null files. if equal \%u 0 RUN ERASE VTXXX.LOG ; So erase any zero byte log file. if exist VTXXX.LOG Do WarnApnd ; Notify about appending if necessary. set printer VTXXX.LOG ; ASCII session logging will be to VTXXX.LOG. Then after this script has been run, to toggle session logging to this file on/off, simply press Ctrl-PrintScreen. The resulting file, VTXXX.LOG in this example, when closed (or MS-Kermit exited) will contain an ASCII session log (excluding full-screens - E.g., VMS EDT screens) without Esc sequences; so (unlike unlike a file produced with 'log session') this ASCII session log cannot be REPLAYed of course. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 3 04:06:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 09:46:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: how to prevent kermit from converting filenames ? Date: 3 Apr 1995 04:06:15 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3lns7n$3a2@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3lk8f2$cul@news.cs.tu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu byteshifter (byteshif@cs.tu-berlin.de) wrote: : when I transfer .emacs it's converted to x.emacs, filenames with more : than one point in the name got the other points subtituted into x's SET FILE NAMES LITERAL in your .kermrc will do what you want, but also has some effect on path names, so that if you try to transfer /etc/passwd, you have to make sure that you specify an output name as well as the input name. And of course, if you transfer files to some system that doesn't know what to do with the filenames that you have under a smarter OS, it won't work. Transferring to/from a variety of systems, I find it easiest to leave the Kermit default as is, and rename the files later. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:50:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08069 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:50:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: macros and wild cards (feature request) Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:50:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3luana$7s0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lpsev$iqm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Raul Deluth Miller wrote: : Frank da Cruz: : I could give you a better answer if I knew which version of Kermit : you were talking about. MS-DOS Kermit? C-Kermit? : : I use C-Kermit, MS-DOS Kermit, and CMS-Kermit. Kermit is my preferred : mechanism for getting files [in and] out of CMS. : Terrific. \\ffiles() works in C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit, but not in CMS Kermit. There is probably some other way to do this in CMS Kermit with REXX or EXEC. : In C-Kermit, you use \ffiles(wildcard) and the fnextfile() to get : each filename, and assign it to an array member. See the example : in ckcker.bwr (search for "ffiles"). : : Thanks, next time I have to tackle this kind of problem I'll look for : this feature. : : [P.S. it would also be nice to have an analogue to \ffiles() which : would get the list of files from a remote kermit server, put or send : command.] : Kind of like what the ftp client and server do. Good idea. We'll add it to the list for future releases. For now, assuming the server is running on UNIX, you can simulate this with something like: remote host echo oofa.* > /tmp/x get /tmp/x and then use OPEN READ, READ, CLOSE READ to read the filenames into an array. Replace the above two lines with the equivalents for VMS, CMS, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 14:54:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 10:54:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mac hebrew support? Date: 5 Apr 1995 14:54:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3luavr$84t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lsj36$ovb@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >is there a mac kermit with hebrew support? > I never heard of one. >(and if so how easy is it for novices to use) >i know nothing about macs, but in a listserv that i subscribe to, >there seems to be the germ of a discussion about whether hebrew >e-mail (and thus a hebrew alphabet list) is practical now... > It's totally practical with MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, both of which fully support Hebrew terminal emulation. Unfortunately, Mac Kermit was orphaned years ago. We don't have access to the services of any qualified Macintosh programmers for further development (and bug-fixing) work. New volunteers (or cash grants to fund a development position) would be most welcome. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 4 22:57:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 19:28:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Rob kings <100443.2263@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: aborting kermit Date: 4 Apr 1995 22:57:25 GMT Organization: Renal Networks Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3lsisl$mmj$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can somebody help. I'm using an visual Basic VBX (PDQComm from crescent) to talk from a PC to a number of hosts (PDP11/VAX/RS6000) and using kermit on the host to transfer files. However if I try to cancel the transfer the host machine just keeps on sending. What character sequence must I issue from my VB code to make the host 'shut up'. I had thought that this sort of thing would be covered by the crescent documentation/support (since they advertise support for kermit protocol) but it isn't. Can somebody help (preferably by e-mail as it's more accessable) as I'm getting rather desperate. Ta Rob Kings -- If you can't laugh at it, what good is it? From news@columbia.edu Fri Mar 31 20:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:31:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 31 Mar 1995 20:51:00 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have the following script to telnet to my provider: log session set input echo on set terminal type vt100 telnet my.isp.com input 5 login: output myname\13 input 5 Password output mypassword\13 The telnet session opens, login: appears and the script just waits. I can manually login, but the script never sees the input. What am I missing? Thanks David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:43:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:43:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 6 Apr 1995 04:43:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3lvrgq$lsi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com>, wrote: Try this: > >log session >set input echo on >set terminal type vt100 set net tcp/ip set host my.isp.com >input 5 login: >output myname\13 >input 5 Password >output mypassword\13 Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:37:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 01:33:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!pcliff Message-Id: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.uic.edu Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:37:26 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Can't open output file" Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago - ADN Computer Center From: pcliff@tigger.cc.uic.edu (Paul Clifford) Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have changed some settings, but can't figure out which. Any suggestions would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 14:39:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08582 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 10:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Can't open output file" Date: 6 Apr 1995 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3m0uep$8c4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <19950405.225622.346792.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu>, Paul Clifford wrote: >When using linux kermit (local) and c-kermit (remote), I get the >message "Can't open output file" when attempting to download a >file to my local machine. I used to be able to download successfully, >but now the transfer always aborts with the above message. I may have >changed some settings, but can't figure out which. > This means that a file was coming in, Kermit got the name of the file from the incoming file header packet, transformed the name (or not) according to your SET FILE NAMES setting, got the attributes from the attribute packet, and then tried to create a new file with the given name, in either the current directory or, if you had SET RECEIVE PATHNAMES ON and SET FILENAMES LITERAL, in whatever directory was included in the incoming filename... and then failed for some reason. Normally the reason is printed using perror(), like: write access denied, disk full, or something like that. To rule out all of the above, run Kermit with its default FILE NAMES and RECEIVE PATHNAMES settings (namely, CONVERTED and OFF, respectively), and make sure your current directory is writeable and your disk or partition is not full. If you still have a problem, then the next question would be: did you install Kermit setuid or setgid? If so, did you follow the instructions carefully for doing this? If you still can't figure out what's wrong, email me directly. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:26:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09151 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:01:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!ddsw1!sparkle!pwolfe From: pwolfe@mcs.com (Patrick Wolfe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:26:57 GMT Organization: Out Of, Inc. Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3m1mb1$619@News1.mcs.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: pwolfe.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Edward Stevens (tstevens@netcom.com) wrote: : I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit : times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I : am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to : /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) : ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. : Any hints ? Thanks. I also get this every time I have just disconnected from a host and want to dial out somewhere else. I've found that if I connect, let the "NO CARRIER" message get displayed, and drop back to the kermit prompt, I can then dial out again. -- Patrick Wolfe (pwolfe@mcs.net) From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 07:44:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09339 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:05:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 13:44:28 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > that is it implies that the equivalent functions > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > When I try the following: > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, > subnetmasks, etc. > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) > 3. run kermit 3.14 > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > I get the error: > Cannot access ip type packets > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting > > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to > initialize other stuff? > ---------- First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate product, MS-DOS Kermit. As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you skipped dealing with NET.CFG. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 21:16:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11051 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 18:37:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news1.digital.com!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!jeeves.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!zykin From: zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get to modem on terminal server? Date: 6 Apr 1995 21:16:45 GMT Organization: University of San Francisco Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.usfca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me how to do this: I need to set default to a directory on my VMS system, start ckermit, and grab MODEM1 on a terminal server named DEC1, then use the modem on that terminal server to dial out. I can't seem to find a way to get to the modem. I tried SET LINE MODEM1, and I get "no such device available". Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? -- |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | | <> _ | | | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | | `--' | | will not grow longer. | ____|_ ___| |___.' | | /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 21:26:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 21:14:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!umn.edu!newsstand.tc.umn.edu!maroon.tc.umn.edu!crhertel From: crhertel@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Christopher R Hertel) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 5 Apr 1995 21:26:12 GMT Organization: University of Minnesota Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: maroon.tc.umn.edu Summary: Dialing into service. Need to echo back. Keywords: script kermit echo X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Inquiry: I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have done. I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information back *as I receive it*. So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). Any info on how to... would be appreciated. I look forward to any replies. Chris Hertel crh@ubiqx.mn.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 13:03:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 22:01:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.190343.46739@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Apr 95 19:03:43 MDT References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > ;In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, > ;Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: > ;>1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered > ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? > ;> > ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. > ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using > ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: > > ; `eval resize` > > By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. > (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? > > (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. > This news server works quite unreliable.) > -- > - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista > Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI ------------- I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:39:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 6 Apr 1995 23:59:36 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tstevens From: tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) Subject: C-kermit on Linux problem Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 00:39:28 GMT Lines: 14 Sender: tstevens@netcom10.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to /dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. Any hints ? Thanks. Ted -- >>>>> ZumaSoft (TEL) V/F 310/457-6263 <<<<< <<<<< OO Analysis & Design, Enterprise Modeling, Training >>>>> >>>>> tstevens@netcom.com <<<<< <<<<< 'Thank you for your wine, California' - Mick Jagger >>>>> From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 03:36:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04976 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 03:48:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 03:36:33 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> References: Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu tstevens@netcom.com (Edward Stevens) wrote: > I keep getting a 'can't initialize modem' complaint after C-kermit >times out after the dial command. My modem is hooked to com2 on dos and I >am trying to use the 1.89 ? version for Linux. I have 'set line' to >/dev/tty2, /dev/ttys2 and my Hayes compatible seems to respond (flash) >ok, but the dial command times out with the 'can't initialize' message. >Any hints ? Thanks. Ted, The dial-out devices in Linux are called /dev/cua0 ... 3 (for COM1 ... 4). [/dev/ttyS0 ... S3 are the dial-in devices (physically the same).] Also, if the port you're using (sounds like COM3) does not have the default address and IRQ, then a "setserial" command should be used in one of the start-up files (/etc/rc.d/rc.local is good) to provide the necessary information. And too, if it's really COM3 (cua2 or S2) you're dealing with, and it does have the default IRQ, then it's using an IRQ also used by COM1 (or maybe it's COM2) and there may be a conflict. See "man setserial"; the syntax is straightforward. I hope it helps. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 02:26:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05671 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:13:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.swt.edu!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 02:26:50 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3m27ta$hqr@pirates.cs.swt.edu> References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <1995Apr6.134428.46690@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: : > : > I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and : > successfully run it over Novell's LANWP : > tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading : > the documentation in seems to imply that you don't : > need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; : > that is it implies that the equivalent functions : > are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? : > : > When I try the following: : > 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in : > my mscustom.ini - such as domain, : > subnetmasks, etc. : > 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) : > 3. run kermit 3.14 : > 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu : > connect : > I get the error: : > Cannot access ip type packets : > Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting : > : > Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to : > initialize other stuff? : > : ---------- : First off, it's not C Kermit that you are running but a separate : product, MS-DOS Kermit. : As the documentation explains, MSK has its own internal TCP/IP : stack, and it can be used as a pure ODI client (same as IPXODI or LWP/DOS). : You need to create a proper NET.CFG file for ODI, and the Kermit docs give : plenty of examples (don't be creative in NET.CFG, please). My guess is you : skipped dealing with NET.CFG. : Joe D. Yes that was the problem all right. I had put the stuff in net.cfg but I had two net.cfgs and either ms kermit wasn't finding it or was getting the wrong one. Thanks for all who responded. BTW this is the best newsgroup I have seen for the 'experts' responding. You are to be congratulated and thanked. tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 06:47:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 04:31:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!jobone!ukma!mik.uky.edu!jpsum00 From: Joey Sum Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How about kermite/2? Date: 6 Apr 95 06:47:46 GMT Organization: University of Kentucky, Dept. of Math Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: nx43.mik.uky.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the next release of C-Kermit/2? Thanks, Joey From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 00:39:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:14:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!clouso.crim.ca!sunqbc.risq.net!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 00:39:54 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit for DOS, How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} Thanks, Gilles Ratel From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 04:13:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 05:18:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!netnews From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-kermit on Linux problem Date: Fri, 07 Apr 1995 04:13:58 GMT Organization: Syracuse University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3m2ena$4uc@newstand.syr.edu> References: <3m2ch6$4id@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-145.syr.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) wrote: ... some stuff, but he had missed the fact that Ted said the modem was on DOS's COM2. If that's the case, Ted, you want to "set line /dev/cua1". /dev/cua0=COM1, /dev/cua1=COM2, et c. You probably won't need the setserial command since it's likely that /dev/cua1 is using the normal address and IRQ. FYI, the devices /dev/ttyS0, /dev/ttyS1, et c. are also COM1, COM2, et c. They're for incoming calls; say you wanted your modem to answer the phone and have the caller be offered a login prompt ... then you'd run a "getty" on one of the /dev/ttyS1 and tell the modem to answer. Sorry I wasn't so precise the first time. - Vince ************************************* Vincent Fatica Syracuse University Mathematics vefatica@syr.edu ************************************* From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 11:44:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 07:44:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How about kermite/2? Date: 7 Apr 1995 11:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3m38jb$qmc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Joey Sum wrote: >Hi, > I run Kermit/2. After helping a friend setup MS-Kermit, I noticed >that the DOS version comes with a Kermite and Kerlite versions, for >people who have no need of TCP/IP support and terminal support, >respectively. I was wondering if such things could be included in the >next release of C-Kermit/2? The real question is: "under OS/2 what do you gain by creating a vareity of version?" The answer is not much. The reason for the different version of MS-DOS Kermit is the DOS 640k memory limit. Under OS/2, this is not an issue. Executable code which is never used is never loaded. OS/2 C-Kermit already does have much of its TCP/IP is separate DLLs. One DLL for each TCP/IP product supported. These DLLs are optional. The savings of some disk space alone is not a good enough reason to have to support multiple versions. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:51:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:51:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: switch: "tektronix mode" <-> "vt100 mode" ? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:51:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3m3g0r$7gi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gilles Ratel 8720 wrote: > With Kermit for DOS, > How do you do change "tektronix mode" -> "vt100 mode" > {what key for togle "textronix" <-> "vt100"} > As explained on page 100 of the French-language manual: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages, ISBN 2-901143-20-2. and on page 85 of the English edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. the key is Alt-minus. That is, hold down the Alt key and press the top- rank minus key (the one that is between 0 and equals sign). This switches between graphics mode and text mode. NOTE: The French edition is also available from Columbia University. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 13:58:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 09:58:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script: (newbie) How to I echo & capture received data? Date: 7 Apr 1995 13:58:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3m3ge5$80b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: script kermit echo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3lv1tk$cha@epx.cis.umn.edu>, Christopher R Hertel wrote: : I am new to Kermit, but I think that it can do what I'm trying to have : done. : Which Kermit program are you talking about? Since there are so many of them, it is always a good idea to say which one. : I want to be able to dial out to a service which, upon connection, will : simply spume information back at me at 1200 baud. I need to capture : about 2000 bytes of that information *and* I need to echo the information : back *as I receive it*. : : So, as the data arrives at my end I need to copy it to a file *and* echo : it back. Oh, and I have to watch for certain characters, too (so that I : know when to stop receiving and hang up the line). : Please pick up a copy of the appropriate manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit". Read the chapters on script programming, especially the INPUT, OUTPUT, and LOG SESSION commands. These will show you exactly what to do. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 12:58:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10614 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 10:24:39 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!emory!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Set Key and LInux ckermit Message-Id: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 12:58:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HI, I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the function keys. Is there a work around this situation? Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 16:54:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 7 Apr 1995 12:54:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit Date: 7 Apr 1995 16:54:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function >keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the >function keys. Is there a work around this situation? > UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level scan codes. So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys, you have to do it outside of Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 04:49:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11894 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 04:49:11 GMT Lines: 232 Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am posting from Japan, and using computers with the programs which support the `kermit' protocol and Japanese Language. We kermit users in Japan have the newsgroup named fj.kermit which looks like this newsgroup in Japan. `fj' means `From Japan', so many articles are written by Japanese language (a Japanese font needs two or more bytes of code) that you can read them with some software which can disp Japanese fonts. About a month ago, some guys started to post silly messages to this newsgroup. We thought that they were mistaking this for the Kermit in the Sesami Street at first, so write them that. But they were not. They have been posting more and more silly and/or sexcial messages, laughing at us because our articles are written by Japanese which they can't read and understand. They ignoring our cautions. We Japanese kermit users are lost in thought. Please somebody stop their act. Do you know what we shall do? Thanks. The guys's e-mail adress are Lemonhead kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Magnolia Thunderpussy Jesus Christ and following are some examples of their messages. ------Ex.1----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!monju!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!newstf01.news.aol.com!newsbf02.news.aol.com!not-for-mail From: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: 4 Apr 1995 16:09:25 -0400 Organization: America Online, Inc. (1-800-827-6364) Lines: 3 Sender: root@newsbf02.news.aol.com Message-ID: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> Reply-To: kermella@aol.com (KERMELLA) NNTP-Posting-Host: newsbf02.mail.aol.com Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP ------Ex.2----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!wnoc-snd-ss2!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Tue, 4 Apr 1995 15:43:23 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> On 4 Apr 1995, KERMELLA wrote: > Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > > just ignore them Kerm, if they don't stop soon will sic Ms Piggy on em HIIIIIIIIIYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.3----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:14:59 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 28 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > >> Kermit the frog reporting for the internet. Computer nerds have taken over > >> my very own newsgroup. No longer do my fans speak of my beautiful green > >> body, they talk about foreign computing. HELP > Why don't you post to: > comp.protocols.kermit.announce > comp.protocols.kermit.misc > More people can hear your report than fj.kermit.:-p > becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit I think I need to repost the FAQ -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ------Ex.4----from here------from here-------------- Path: owani!zws0!akiu!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: fj.kermit FAQ Posting ver. 1.1 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 02:28:31 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 92 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FAQ FOR FJ.KERMIT 1. What does fj.kermit stand for? fj.kermit stands for FrogJelly.Kermit, not- I reapeat- NOT "From Japan" as some frog h-hating detractors would have you believe. 2. What is the purpose of this group? to talk about frogjelly and kermit 3. What's with these pesky people who insist that this newsgroup is supposed to be about some goddamn new-fangled Japanese program thinggy? They're on crack 4. Where can I get me a supply of that crack? It's in the water system of Illinois 5. What happens when you put the largest piece of Cap'n Crunch known to mankind in a testube of water, let it sit there until it decays into dirt, and then put a nice purty flower in said tube? I don't know. 6. Who the hell is this Mujibar Smedjkal? He is the well-dressed styrofoam boy that lives on our bathroom light. He watches me while I shower and it excites me. He also is conducting the Cap'n Experiment. 7. Who put the "bop" in the "bop shoo wop shooo wop?" Mujibar 8. Who is the loudest person in the world? Me. 9. I have a roomfull of empty pizza boxes, what can I do with them? Give them to me. 10. What exactly is "free stuff?" Anything you can grab, especially "slippery when wet" signs in Spanish. 11. What's the best breakfast food ever? Bacon, lots and lots of bacon. 12. If you can fool the mamma, and you can fool the papa, who can you still not fool? "The mirror baby" -Dick Vitale 13. How many people actually read this group? If you are reading this, one. I can't read. 14. What is the most effective put-down ever? "Your Momma", you can't come back from that. 15. What's your favorite line of Zulu poetry, Kevin? "I saw a great man who kissed me on all of my thousand cheeks, and I knew then that I would know him forever." 16. If George Washington and Abraham Lincoln where to get into an all-out fight, who would win? Lincoln, no contest. George was a sickly old man who was so weak he couldn't even keep his teeth in, while Abe was a rugged and scrappy lumberjack/pioneer who could build a log cabin with his bare hands. Abe also has the reach advantage. 17. Who is Yoda? A film star and our maid. 18. I can't seem to understand what the hell this group is about. That's not a question, so I don't have to produce an answer. 19. If God were a musician, who would he be? Bob Mould 20. What is the official language of this newsgroup? Red-blooded American English, and if you don't like it- Dave has a shotgun and a very large knife that might convince you. America also has the Bomb and Japan doesn't :p 21. How many questions are gonna be in this damn FAQ? Umm, tis is good, I'm tired of typing. -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} ----------Ex.s end--------Ex.s end--------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 05:40:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 01:59:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: Re: Help fj.kermit from silly guys. Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr6.054056.11558@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 05:40:56 GMT Lines: 116 References: <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is new example of messages from one of those guys. Plese note that Ex.6 contains Japanese code inside. -----Ex.5-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:38:08 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3lss5p$7pj@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltsql$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <3ltt59$8en@exa.onlab.ntt.jp> > |becuase those groups are obviously about computers and stuff, silly: > |COMP.protocols.etc, etc, etc > | > |This is OBVIOUSLY about frog jelly: FJ.kermit > No. > That's the best come-back you have? "No" ??? > Newsgroups begin with FJ.* means news articles From Japan. > Many other newsgroups which includes many articles from > japan are delivered to the newsgroups under FJ category. > fj.kermit is one of the newsgroup under FJ category > which is intended to discuss about the `kermit' program > used among computers. > # Not the name of frog, you love.:-) > says you. I've got a FAQ backing me, buddy boy. > |I think I need to repost the FAQ > I think that you'd better change your newsgroup to > ALT.FJ.kermit, ALT.FJ.kermit.the.frog or some. > I think YOU better change you group to anal.japanese.computer.geeks -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline -----Ex.6-----from here-----from here-------- Path: owani!zws0!sakunami!katahira!wapiko!fukagawa!wnoc-tyo-news!wnoc-sfc-news!venus.sun.com!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux5.cso.uiuc.edu!karpiak From: Lemonhead Newsgroups: fj.kermit Subject: Re: Kermit the frog Sesame Street News Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 21:41:00 -0500 Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <3ls91l$3c9@newsbf02.news.aol.com> <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: On 6 Apr 1995, KOJIMA Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?= wrote: > <3ltd50$ds3@t-server.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp> $B$N5-;v$K$*$$$F(B > tss@a.u-tokyo.ac.jp (SASABE Tetsuro) $B$5$s$O=q$-$^$7$?(B: > > | In article > | kjm@yonka.ngy.mhi.co.jp (KOJIMA > | Hajime/=?ISO-2022-JP?B?GyRCPi5FZ0glGyhC?=) writes: > | > || $B!!$d$C$Q!"(Bfj.kermit $B$O(B fj.protocols.kermit $B$H$+(B fj.net.protocols.kermit > || $B$H$+!"$=$&$$$&L>A0$KJQ$($?$[$&$,!"$h$$$N$G$O$J$$$G$7$g$&$+!)(B > | > | $B;W$$IU$-$G$9$,!"0l;~E*$K(B moderated $B$K$9$k$H$$$&$N$O$I$&$G$7$g$&$+!#(B I don't know what this is about cuz it's in that Pig Latin/Voodoo Hex language, but I DO know that whoever wrote it was talking about moderating this group or something. I tell you there IS a moderator for this group and it's Kermit D. Frog, with a big jar of frogjelly in his hand about to spread it on his toast- yes TOAST -- {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} {You don't have to be rich to be my girl : Kevin Karpiak } {You don't have to be cool to rule my world : University of Illinois} {Ain't no particular sign I'm more compatible with: at Champaign-Urbana } {I just want you extra time : } {And your kiss : karpiak@uiuc.edu } { - Best Sung by: Tom Jones : lemonhead@bastard.org } {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} KEEP AWAY!!! That is no way to use the vagina! - Tim Cline ----------Ex.s end---------Ex.s end---------- -- ONODA Takeshi : The Seismological Laboratory, Hirosaki University From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 03:51:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 12:05:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can send but not receive? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.095124.46913@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 09:51:24 MDT References: <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr7.121826.6495@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca>, sbrant@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca writes: > Hi, > > I'm trying to set set up a file transfer script using DynaComm > from FutureSoft and C-Kermit on VAX/VMS and am having problems > receiving. > > I can send files in either binary or text format to the VAX > with no problems. However, when I try to receive, the transfer > ends almost immediately. > > I have also tried using Kermit-32 on the VAX with exactly the > same results. The transfer to VAX worked fined, but the > transfer back from the VAX failed immediately. ---------- I've not heard of DynaComm and thus have no idea of what it does. But the symptoms are that it objects to the file transfer to it. The standard diagnosis method is to log packets (LOG PACKET command) on each side so technical people can see who said what to whom. In the end, I think you will need to talk with the FutureSoft people about their program. Joe D. p to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin, get BINARY file msvibm.zip. In there we discuss SLIP, and we also provide a SLIP Packet Driver. There is no TN3270 emulation at this time in MSK. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 11:42:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:36:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 14:35:58 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!peernews.demon.co.uk!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/ Token Ring/ ODI Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 14 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 11:42:24 +0000 Message-Id: <797168544snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has ANYONE managed to get MSK314 to work with ODI drivers running over a Token Ring network? In particular genuine IBM cards (TOKEN.COM). In the early BETA versions this worked fine, but since I got the final release the program ceases to connect :-(. I'd appreciate a look at copies of working NET.CFGs if possible. NB if the ODITRPKT shim is loaded THEN MSK314 works fine. But I wan to run it in native ODI mode. Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 14:01:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10207 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:39:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get to modem on terminal server? Message-Id: <1995Apr7.100100.741@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 7 Apr 95 10:01:00 -0400 References: <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m1lnt$gne@noc.usfca.edu>, zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) writes: > Well okay, so it can't see the modem hanging off the server... what do I > have to tell ckermit to get it to see the modem? > your sysadmin has to declare the modem1 on the decserver as a lat service, and gife you access to it... it's in the doccos somewhere. see the dialout com file sniplet in the decserver's load image directory. need more, mail me. > -- > |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. > | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | > | <> _ | | > | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | > | `--' | | will not grow longer. | > ____|_ ___| |___.' | | > /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' i love that sig. /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:40:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10429 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23558 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Capture macro Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:40:26 GMT Organization: S Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3m6e9q$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> References: <796463548snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> <3lnbub$q0d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu where can I download the manual ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 16:45:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23568 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 15:47:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.Direct.CA!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.mindlink.net!news.bc.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!jupiter!aaab From: aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: . logon macros Date: 8 Apr 1995 16:45:10 GMT Organization: S Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.scs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a newbie. How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ? How to automate logons (to several hosts) ? Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ? From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 09:33:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 18:34:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Message-Id: <1995Apr8.153344.46943@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 15:33:44 MDT References: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good > solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix > machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). > > This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, > but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: > > On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows > and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? Yes, of course. Note that Novell's TSU transitory helper simulates COM ports. Just choose another COM port and use SET PORT BIOSx in Kermit. > On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2) > provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP > link? Huh? What's the bottom end have to do with Telnet? PPP could care less about what's in an IP packet; it's just moved to the other end of the wire. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 7 01:04:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09557 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 8 Apr 1995 19:35:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!satisfied.apocalypse.org!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!winternet.com!interactive.net!usenet From: jvs@interactive.net (Joe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help using Kermit via dial up SLIP to telnet TN3270 Date: 7 Apr 1995 01:04:08 GMT Organization: Your Organization Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3m2328$g6f@ns1.interactive.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: user154.interactive.net X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to dial directly by phone and emulate a vt320 and it works fine on the university VM system. However, I would like to use telnet. I have a dial up slip account and I use Trumpet winsock. Is it possible to use Kermit to control the screen and the keyboard while using a SLIP? I have the telnet address of the university computer but regular telnet does not work, they say you need TN3270. I figured Kermit might be able to work and emulate a TN3270. First, is it possible and do I need other software? Second, how do I do it? I tried and it keeps asking me for a "packet driver" but I am not running an ethernet card, I am using a modem. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:11:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:49:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:41:15 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 38 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu dasilva@ccnet.com wrote: : I've got the manual in front of me, and I am trying to learn scripting. I have : the following script to telnet to my provider: : log session : set input echo on : set terminal type vt100 : telnet my.isp.com replace this with set port tcp/ip my.isp.com : input 5 login: : output myname\13 : input 5 Password : output mypassword\13 Add a connect if desired at this stage. telnet my.isp.com is equivalent to: set port tcp/ip my.isp.com connect which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 12:24:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 08:56:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:54:58 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3m8jmq$cdn@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert Ong (onglc@technet.sg) wrote: : Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client : in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer : as an ASCII/dumb terminal? : I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come : with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our : Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP : driver that does the same thing? There are 2 ways you can do this with MS-Kermit and Novell's Client Kit: 1) Run an ODI driver, and define a Protocol Kermit that uses a Frame Type Ethernet_II as described in the docs for MS-Kermit. (I can supply a couple of examples when I'm back at work, so email me if you want them). 2) Run Novell's TCP/IP transport (TCPIP.EXE) and do a SET PORT TELAPI host, where host is the name or IP address of the Unix machine. ftp.novell.com has updates for the Netware clients which are worth considering if your Netware client software isn't current. If your Unix host is running Novell's Unixware or other Unix supporting Novell'sNVT/NVT2, you can also load the client NVT.EXE TSR and use MS-Kermit with a SET PORT BIOS1, but you lose some memory and/or functionality compared with the 2 previously mentioned methods. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 14:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 10:19:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 9 Apr 1995 15:41:40 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. //Markus : Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 : "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." : "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." : OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 02:59:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 11:07:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Message-Id: <1995Apr9.085902.46973@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 08:59:02 MDT References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg>, onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: > > Hi, > > Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client > in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer > as an ASCII/dumb terminal? > > I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come > with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our > Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP > driver that does the same thing? ----------- MS-DOS Kermit has an internal TCP/IP protocol stack. A "driver" is normally a handler of a piece of hardware or similar, rather than a large complex protocol stack. As Arthur Marsh points out in a previous reply, MSK can use its internal TCP/IP stack and it can run over the top of TCP/IP stacks from other vendors: Novell, FTP Inc, Beame and Whiteside. There's no need to be a truely stupid ASCII terminal in this situation. Use the sophisticated terminal emulation capabilities of MSK and have your Unix machine exploit it's terminfo/termcap. The results are worth it. VT320 is recommended, fall back to VT220 if the Unix machine does not know about VT320's. Please do review the documentation accompanying the MSK release because we try to explain many of these things there. Quick start kit is binary file kermit/bin/msvibm.zip on kermit.columbia.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 17:14:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 13:37:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 17:14:06 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in advance, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 19:23:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 16:58:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca!ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca!lloo From: lloo@uoguelph.ca (Leon Loo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Detecting CD via Script Date: 9 Apr 1995 19:23:58 GMT Organization: University of Guelph Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccshst01.cs.uoguelph.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which would let me do this. I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0. Any help would be appriciated. Leon Loo Systems Analysis University of Guelph lloo@uoguelph.ca From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 21:56:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 18:28:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Date: 9 Apr 1995 21:56:23 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when I try to get/send files. If I leave the lines: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect in my mscustom.ini file then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are and the send/get eventually times out. However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. A second problem: When I try to use either the finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit from the alpha after I've started the server there, nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. Any known problems here or is it just me? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 16:37:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 20:50:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!ccnet.com!usenet From: dasilva@ccnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Input / Output in Scripts? Date: 9 Apr 1995 16:37:39 GMT Organization: Silva Consulting Solutions Lines: 9 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3m92gj$mi1@ccnet.ccnet.com> References: <3lhpvk$nb8@ccnet.ccnet.com> <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Reply-To: dasilva@ccnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dasilva.ccnet.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3m8it3$cbe@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: >which puts you directly into interactive mode, and the script that follows >doesn't get executed until the telnet session gets closed. Thanks Arthur - this last bit of info was what I seemed to miss in the manual. David Silva - Silva Consulting Solutions - 510-527-6831 finger dasilva@ccnet.com for information From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 13:02:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02952 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 9 Apr 1995 23:46:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with Get/Send over tcp/ip Message-Id: <1995Apr9.190207.47027@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 19:02:07 MDT References: <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9l67$ans@pirates.cs.swt.edu>, tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) writes: > > I'm able to use ms-kermit to connect to our alpha > which is running c-Kermit 5a(190) Beta . Ms-kermit > terminal emulation works fine - the problem is when > I try to get/send files. > > If I leave the lines: > set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu > connect > in my mscustom.ini file One really ought not do a CONNECT in the startup file because that invokes the TCP/IP session right away, leaving no time to do local setup busywork. The session will timeout if you don't login/password at that point. > then I connect to nyssa just fine, run c-kermit on > the alpha and type server to the alpha. All is ok. > But when I try to then do a send/get no packets are > and the send/get eventually times out. This works perfectly, so we can guess there is more going on at your desktop than what you describe. Once C Kermit is in SERVER mode press ALT-X on your PC, then issue the send/get commands. Make sure no other macros or script commands have intervened to change the comms channel to a serial port. Do a SHOW COM before get/send to verify matters. I'll bet you have a SET PORT in there somewhere after the Connect. > However, if I take these lines out of the mscustom.ini > and type them as commands to ms-kermit after I > start it up, the send/gets work just fine. Can anyone > tell me what's going on here. I would just as soon > leave these lines in my mscustom.ini if I can. > > A second problem: When I try to use either the > finish or bye command from ms-kermit to exit > from the alpha after I've started the server there, > nothing happens and when I quit ms-kermit there > is ALWAYS a hanging communication line to my alpha. > Any known problems here or is it just me? Works fine. But.... If your Alpha is running VMS Virtual Terminals (VT types) then they normally don't sense the end of a session and quit; they persist and persist with C Kermit still running. Best to remove the VT support as a pain. FINISH does not close down connections, but BYE does. VMS VT's don't respond well when the application (C Kermit in this case) tries to shut down the link. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 05:38:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09621 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:38:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: starting SLIP from Ckermit (OS/2 beta) Date: 10 Apr 1995 05:38:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3mag92$9cg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3liark$asl@sunny.bahnhof.se> <3lk18b$dih@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> <3lqlt5$n7v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m8rn4$6go@sunny.bahnhof.se>, Markus Hdrnvi wrote: >Can this be used with PPP.EXE as well? > >My system just upgraded from TIA to PPP. > Sorry, but No. PPP is implemented directly in the IBM Dialer. There is no external interface that I am aware of. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 5 22:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 01:56:48 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!lachman From: lachman@netcom.com (Hans Lachman) Subject: Modem diagnostic program? Message-Id: Organization: Netcom, Silicon Valley Distribution: na Date: Wed, 5 Apr 1995 22:24:44 GMT Lines: 13 Sender: lachman@netcom2.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? Hans Lachman From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:15:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:06:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!saclink1.csus.edu!sac87574 From: sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 03:15:29 GMT Organization: California State University Sacramento Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sac87574%@saclink1.csus.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 06:15:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 02:10:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.14 PL3 - "Locking in" a character set? Message-Id: <1995Apr9.121553.46985@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 12:15:53 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: > I am having serious line noise problems, and I don't have an error > correcting modem. While I realize that I need to solve this problem > eventually, it's causing a secondary problem with terminal emulation > that it would be helpful to solve sooner: There seems to be some > character(s) that, when MS-Kermit (in terminal mode) receives it/them, > it causes Kermit to begin displaying in Greek characters. The screen > still writes from left to right, but now in Greek letters. It occurs > so frequently that I've had to add a macro to 'set term char latin1' > and assign it to a key. Is there a way to disable this, so that the > character set is not changed no matter what Kermit receives? Thanks in > advance, > > Jeff ------- It's not Greek greek but rather IBM PC Code Page greek. That is, the high bit set stuff. The likely cause is reception of SI and SO control codes (^O, ^N) which cause a shift of character sets ("real" VTxxx's do exactly the same). Pressing the \ktermreset key, ALT equals, will put things back together again. The only sure cure is to get rid of the corrupted bytes coming in from the wire. A temp workaround is putting ASCII in character set working buffer G1 (to/from which the ^O/^N guys are toggling) via command SET TERM CHAR ASCII G1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 00:00:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28749 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 03:34:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pirates.cs.swt.edu!astros.cs.swt.edu!tm From: tm@astros.cs.swt.edu (Tom F McCabe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 6 Apr 1995 00:00:57 GMT Organization: Computer Science Department, Southwest Texas State University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astros.cs.swt.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and successfully run it over Novell's LANWP tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading the documentation in seems to imply that you don't need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; that is it implies that the equivalent functions are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? When I try the following: 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in my mscustom.ini - such as domain, subnetmasks, etc. 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) 3. run kermit 3.14 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu connect I get the error: Cannot access ip type packets Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to initialize other stuff? Any help will be appreciated? tom mccabe tm@astros.cs.swt.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 11:32:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 11:47:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit(190) & Aix 3.2.5 (RS/6000)... Date: 10 Apr 1995 11:32:06 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mb4vm$dtt@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sometimes does funny things - Kermit process doesn't allow itself to be killed, it just stays in "exiting" state. This situation can only be resolved by shutting the RS/6000 down. And it sure is not the most elegant way to kill processess when you have dozens of users logged in. Anyone knows why this happens or how to prevent it? Regards, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Systems Manager Analyste Oy / Finland tel.+358-31-2133544 fax.+358-31-2227701 Email: Pasi.Tolonen@cs.tut.fi From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Message-Id: <1995Apr10.093738.47069@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:37:38 MDT References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu>, sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) writes: > It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my > server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and > basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things > up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program > can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! ---------- Nice grumble, but what can we say to help? For openers, what programs (and versions) are being run on each end, what's the comms link like, and all those nasty detail things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 03:40:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27514 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07107 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 12:51:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Message-Id: <1995Apr10.094040.47071@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Apr 95 09:40:40 MDT References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) writes: > Tom F McCabe (tm@astros.cs.swt.edu) wrote: > > : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and > : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP > : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading > : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't > : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; > : that is it implies that the equivalent functions > : are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? > > You've just about answered one of my questions. > > I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but > not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes > with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows? --------- Sad but true. TELAPI and TSU are included only in the full product and not in the Client Kit. Novell management made that decision for reasons not explained to the customer base. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 16:58:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 16:12:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Date: 10 Apr 1995 16:58:04 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3mbo2s$b58@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Scott Hanson (sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu) wrote: : It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my : server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and : basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things : up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program : can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! Sometimes it's the only choice. For our IBM mainframes here, for instance. They have a "one way at a time" communications interface. That means Z-modem can't deal with it. John Price From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:38:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18337 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11935 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:39:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program? Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:38:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3mc8hh$bjp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , Hans Lachman wrote: >Is there a program that will perform simple diagnostics on a modem? >Like, tell you if it's hooked up and if it's accepting AT commands? > >I'm trying to advise a someone on getting a modem working. They >installed the modem and are using an older version of Kermit >that is known to work. They had it working before, to the extent >that the modem was accepting and echoing AT commands, but now >they can't even get that much to work. Something must be different, >and I don't know whether it's the modem or Kermit. I'd like to >verify that the modem is usable before trying anything further >with Kermit. Is there a way I can verify this? > If the modem is hooked up and working, and Kermit is configured corrected to use it, you should be able to CONNECT to the modem, type AT and then press the Enter key, and see the AT letters echo, and see the response from the modem, either "OK" or "0" depending on its response mode -- assuming the modem has not been configured to no-echo, no-response mode. From the MS-Kermit> prompt, you can type "show communications" to see all of Kermit's communications-related settings (comm port, speed, etc) and the status of the modem signals, which are the essential clues. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 21:52:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:52:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script Date: 10 Apr 1995 21:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mc9bc$d44@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, Leon Loo wrote: >I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line >while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. > The command is: wait CD - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:11:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:10:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Tuning Kermit Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:24:44 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine (system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90). When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about all we could do. Any hints? John Price Temple University NOC From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 18:04:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:40:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18703 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:40:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cisco Question... Date: 10 Apr 1995 18:04:14 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3mbruu$du9@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I read the FAQ, and it mentions problems with the cisco software and the tn3270 emulation. It said that ("hopefully") would be fixed in ver 10.3. The question is, when did the the problem start? We are trying to tune kermit speed on an IBM 3090 through a Cisco telnet server. Cisco is running ver 9.1(11). Will an upgrade do us *any* good at all? Thanks John Price From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 10:20:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22833 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:59:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 10 Apr 1995 18:59:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Detecting CD via Script Message-Id: <1995Apr9.162053.47013@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Apr 95 16:20:53 MDT References: <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m9c8e$c48@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca>, lloo@uoguelph.ca (Leon Loo) writes: > I was wondering if there is anyway of detecting the status of the phone line > while in a kermit script? I'm going to a host periodically hangs up. > I've look through the manual but have not been able to find something which > would let me do this. > > I'm using MSKermit version 3.13 patch level 0. > > Any help would be appriciated. ------------- The answer is in the old rule of "only one device driver per device." If a SLIP Packet Driver owns the serial port then Kermit can't without creating a conflict. I presume you unfortunately purchased an internal modem, and hence lack lightblubs to watch on the unit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 10:20:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07307 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 00:11:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22670 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 00:11:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Date: 6 Apr 1995 10:20:56 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <3leg32$75i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> of Frank da Cruz X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: ;In article <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, ;Ken T. Takusagawa wrote: ;>1. How can I keep the last line of my screen from being clobbered ;>whenever I use the UNIX "more" command? ;> ;By making your UNIX screen size agree with Kermit's screen size. ;By default, both are 24 and everything works right. If you are using ;some other screen size on the PC, try telling UNIX to: ; `eval resize` By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. This news server works quite unreliable.) -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 08:50:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:18:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:18:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Bad Press ?? Date: 8 Apr 1995 18:20:10 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3m5io2$ros@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lhbgm$e8i@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu scvikevich@mhv.net wrote: : Kermit - A terminal emulation Program and file transfer protocol [deleted] : ZMODEM - The latest and fastest file transfer protocol. [deleted] : I would be curious to hear responses from the kermit user : community. If someone wanted to seriously cover Kermit and Zmodem, they should do a literature search, obtain the latest versions and documentation, compare them with each other and at least the most popular third party implementations over several hardware and software platforms and save their publishing until they have given the original and third party authors a chance to respond to the investigator's observations. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 09:02:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:49:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01166 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 02:49:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!das-news2.harvard.edu!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Date: 8 Apr 1995 18:32:29 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? On the remote access side, can LAN Workplace (either DOS/Windows or OS/2) provide an environment for supporting multiple Kermit sessions over a PPP link? Thanks, Arthur. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 10:11:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 07:55:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 07:55:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!in1.uu.net!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]Multiple TCP/IP sessions terminated. Date: Tue, 11 Apr 95 13:11:10 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 8 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: x Message-Id: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su Nntp-Posting-Host: news.demos.su X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] X-Return-Path: news.demos.su!kremvax.demos.su!phreak!chermk!chermk.vologda.su!mar Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi ALL ! I have kermit 3.14 . I am starting multiple TCP/IP sessions with SCO Unix . I have "$" on my screen . If I do not work more two ours then my sesssion is terminated . All processes are terminated too. How avoid it ? Michael Reznikov . From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 05:29:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26230 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:37:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00573 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:37:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Thu, 6 Apr 1995 09:29:23 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95096.092924HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Modem diagnostic program? Distribution: na References: Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The Shareware program, Modem Doctor runs some elementary modem diagnostics. Contact info: The Modem Doctor Copyr. 1989, 1990,1991 Hank Volpe P.O. Box 43214 Baltimore MD 21236 410-256-5767 BBS line 410-256-3631 From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 14:31:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02477 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:31:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:31:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Tuning Kermit Date: 11 Apr 1995 14:31:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3me3sd$cb8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3mbt5c$epg@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>, John Price wrote: : We're using kermit to do file transfers from an IBM 3090 through a Cisco : terminal server. After reading the faq, I noticed that Cisco might have : problems with tn3270 emulation, so I tried logging in to a unix machine : (system V release 3 I believe) and using it's tn3270. I get the same : throughput, at about 90 char length packets (oscilates between 89 and 90). : : When I set packet lengths above 100, i get lockup. I suspect that our : tn3270 has a maximum packet lenght around 100, which would mean 90 is about : all we could do. Any hints? : When you go through a 3270 emulator, you're at its mercy. This is a perfect example of why Kermit lets you specify the packet length, and why it uses a short default packet length. If longer packets kill the 3270 emulator, then that's all there is to it. Preliminary reports indicate that Cisco release 10.3 will let you transfer files through its 3270 emulator with packets up to about 1900 bytes in length. That's a big improvement. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 6 17:10:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11609 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:02:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:02:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!netnews.upenn.edu!cronkite.ocis.temple.edu!astro.ocis.temple.edu!jprice From: jprice@astro.ocis.temple.edu (John Price) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: I just read the FAQ... Date: 6 Apr 1995 17:10:16 GMT Organization: Temple University, Academic Computer Services Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3m179p$595@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: astro.ocis.temple.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just read the FAQ, and it mentions under heading 5 (about tn3270 kermit transfers) that there are bugs in the "cisco software" that prevent speedy kermit transfers. (to be fixed in ver. 10.3...) Can anyone tell me more about these bugs? were using kermit to transfer files to/from and IBM mainframe, and the max packet length were getting is 90. (yes, I am checking the max-converter length. John Price From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 23:54:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11351 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:24:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:24:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!concert!lester.appstate.edu!usenet From: JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 11 Apr 1995 23:54:07 GMT Organization: APPALACHIAN STATE UNIVERSITY Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mm.appstate.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit *after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any suggestions? Thanks. McClain Watson JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu Appalachian State University Boone, N.C. 28608 From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 13:36:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:56:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 11 Apr 1995 22:56:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!info.curtin.edu.au!cube.curtin.edu.au!zcookbruc From: zcookbruc@vax3.curtin.EDU.AU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Windoze NT Date: 11 Apr 95 22:36:54 +0900 Organization: Curtin University of Technology Lines: 10 Message-Id: <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: vax3.curtin.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The subject says it all I'm looking for a Kermit for Windoze NT IF there's none, where should I start from MSKER* or C-kermit ? I think C-kermit, because we don't want all the PC fruit, any opinions ...BRU 995Apr6.190343.46739@cc.usu.edu> of Joe Doupnik X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: ;In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: ;> By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. ;> (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? ;> ;> (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. ;> This news server works quite unreliable.) ; I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" ;above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care ;to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix ;host. I noticed that problem first with my program, which uses same kind method than resize for determining screen size. But that problem is visible also with 'resize' -program. With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.10 output of resize is correct: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '24'; unset noglob; With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 output of resize is incorrect: set noglob; setenv COLUMNS '80'; setenv LINES '231'; unset noglob; [ Answer cc'ed to Joe Doupnik. ] -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 16:08:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:07:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:07:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: resize (Re: Clobbering the Last Line) Message-Id: <1995Apr11.220837.47260@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Apr 95 22:08:36 MDT References: <1995Mar28.230356.88847@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <3me4ll$hvf@kronos.fmi.fi> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3me4ll$hvf@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes in comp.protocols.kermit.misc: > > ;In article <3m0fa8$53k@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > ;> By to way. This didn't work correctly with MS-DOS KERMIT VERSION 3.14. > ;> (It works correctly with earlier Kermit version). Is this corrected? > ;> > ;> (I mentioned this somewhere in January 1995, but I missed possible answers. > ;> This news server works quite unreliable.) > > ; I'm not quite sure what the "this" is in "this didn't work correctly" > ;above. Works fine here to Unix machinery and VAXen etc. Perhaps you'd care > ;to repeat the observations after checking the characteristics of your Unix > ;host. > > I noticed that problem first with my program, which uses same kind > method than resize for determining screen size. But that problem > is visible also with 'resize' -program. > > With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.10 output of resize is correct: > set noglob; > setenv COLUMNS '80'; > setenv LINES '24'; > unset noglob; > > With MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 output of resize is incorrect: > set noglob; > setenv COLUMNS '80'; > setenv LINES '231'; > unset noglob; > > [ Answer cc'ed to Joe Doupnik. ] > -- > - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista > Kari.Hurtta@FMI.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.FMI.FI ------------ It's a known problem, a bug if you wish. The problem is the resize program tries to drive the cursor to the extreme lower right by extraordinary amounts. The requested column is greater than 255 and unfortunately the column variable in the calculation is only one byte wide. This results in modulo 255 work, keeping the remainder for the column. There will be a patch for this in the near future. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 11 16:12:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:08:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20056 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 02:08:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Windoze NT Message-Id: <1995Apr11.221233.47262@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Apr 95 22:12:31 MDT References: <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr11.223654@cube.curtin.edu.au>, zcookbruc@cube.curtin.edu.au writes: > The subject says it all > > I'm looking for a Kermit for Windoze NT > > IF there's none, where should I start from > MSKER* or C-kermit ? > > I think C-kermit, because we don't want all the PC fruit, any opinions > > ...BRU --------- Your choice my friend. Right now MS-DOS Kermit is the item which runs in NT out of the box. It also does so in Win95, and OS/2 (for which we also have C Kermit for OS/2). One needs to keep in mind the development effort behind moving to different operating systems, and the number of person-hours available to the project, not to mention money. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 04:29:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:11:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!lantana.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!einstein.technet.sg!onglc From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 8 Apr 1995 04:29:26 GMT Organization: Technet, Singapore Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: onglc@einstein.technet.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer as an ASCII/dumb terminal? I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP driver that does the same thing? Thanks in advance. Robert -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Robert Ong Systems Analyst | | Computer Services Department onglc@technet.sg | | Singapore MRT Ltd (065)-331-1347 | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 8 15:08:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:29:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 03:29:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: . logon macros Message-Id: <1995Apr8.210816.46958@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Apr 95 21:08:16 MDT References: <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 72 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m6eim$10in@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca>, aaab@jupiter.scs.Ryerson.CA (Al Aab - CNED/W94) writes: > > I am a newbie. > > How can I get the manual/FAQ/etc ? > How to automate logons (to several hosts) ? > Other protocols (x,y,z,ansi) available from kermit ? ----------- The manuals for C Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit are books, as indicated below in the MS-DOS Kermit release notes. Please read the appropriate manual and the release notes for how to use script commands. The Kermit project does not provide X/Y/Zmodem protocol programs, and there isn't a protocol named ANSI that I've heard of. For full particulars please use anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for the pre-built programs such as binary file msvibm.zip. The list's FAQ is available from the same site. Joe D. -------------- Documentation: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Includes MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on 3.5" HD diskette. US single-copy price: $36.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: (USA) 212 854-3703 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Price: $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), $47 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. You can also order by phone from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA and Canada) +1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, "MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German-language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 69,00. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, "Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi", Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. Heinz Schiefer & Cie., 45 rue Henri de Regnier, F-78000 Versailles. Tel. +33 39 53 95 26, Fax. +33 39 02 39 71. The user manual is supplemented by KERMIT.UPD, KERMIT.BWR, and other text files on the distribution diskette, but they are not a substitute for the manual itself. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 9 01:52:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02367 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:12:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 05:12:51 -0400 Control: cancel <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!wnoc-kyo-news!kuis-news!kudpc!akiu!sakunami!zws0!owani!ono From: ono@cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Subject: cmsg cancel <1995Apr6.044911.10695@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Sender: ono@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp (Takeshi Onoda) Message-Id: <1995Apr9.015252.5254@owani.cc.hirosaki-u.ac.jp> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 1995 01:52:52 GMT Lines: 3 Organization: Information Processing Center, Hirosaki Univ., Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.17] 1994-01/27(Thu) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I got a email requesting me to cancel my posts. The guys' real name was written in it and It told me how I can stop their acts. So I de ide canceling them. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 14:31:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16794 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:31:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:31:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 12 Apr 1995 14:31:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3mgo85$2pg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu>, Watson, John McClain wrote: >I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit *after* I >retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as the >transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly changes >to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit several >time and have done everything I know. > As explained in the documentation and in our FAQ, the transfer mode -- text or binary -- is generally determined by the file sender. You have evidently put the file receiver into binary mode but not the sender. The sender's file attribute packet contains an indication of the sender's transfer mode -- in this case text -- and the the receiver switches automatically to the sender's mode. By the way, this would not happen if you were using the very latest versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit (see the FAQ for details). Solution: tell the file SENDER to "set file type binary". The FAQ can be found at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 13:54:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:30:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 12:30:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit over ethernet in dos ? Date: 10 Apr 1995 23:24:44 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 69 Message-Id: <3mbdb4$pa8@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3lvavp$tca@pirates.cs.swt.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom F McCabe (tm@astros.cs.swt.edu) wrote: : I recently downloaded the new kermit 3.14 and : successfully run it over Novell's LANWP : tcpip.exe and telapi.exe. However, in reading : the documentation in seems to imply that you don't : need the tcpip.exe or telapi.exe to run ckermit; : that is it implies that the equivalent functions : are in ckermit 3.14. Is that correct? You've just about answered one of my questions. I gather that telapi.exe is in LAN WorkPlace, but not included with the TCP/IP transport that comes with the Netware Client Kit for DOS/Windows? : When I try the following: : 1. Put all the appropriate definitions in : my mscustom.ini - such as domain, : subnetmasks, etc. : 2. Load the lsl and ethernet driver (exp16odi) : 3. run kermit 3.14 : 4. In ckermit type: set port tcp/ip nyssa.swt.edu : connect : I get the error: : Cannot access ip type packets : Unable to initialize tcp/ip system, quitting : Am I doing something obvious that's wrong? Do i need to : initialize other stuff? : Any help will be appreciated? You can either run the LANWP TCP/IP, or someone else's or Kermit's built-in TCP/IP, but only one at a time. A typical net.cfg for a Netware 3.12 client with VLM's and using Kermit's built-in TCP/IP would look like: protocol KERMIT bind NE2000 Link Driver NE2000 Int 5 Port 300 Frame Ethernet_802.2 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II ; Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II ; RARP doesn't work with my host First Network Drive F Link Support Buffers 6 1600 MemPool 2048 ; Change to suit your network card, Interrupt, port address... Then do the SET TCP/IP parameters as required in your MSCUSTOM.INI and a set port TCP/IP to get connected. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 10 14:28:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:39:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 13:08:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Multiple terminals under LAN WorkPlace?? Date: 10 Apr 1995 10:28:32 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3mbfag$muh@panix.com> References: <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m5jf5$rsa@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: >Over the last several months I've been trying to figure out a good >solution for remote and LAN based multi-session terminals to a Unix >machine (and also a connected TBBS bulletin board). > >This may sound like a comp.sys.novell/comp.os.netware.connectivity query, >but Kermit is mentioned in both the following questions: > >On the LAN side, can MS-Kermit support more than one session under DOS/Windows >and the Novell TCP/IP transport (e.g. SET PORT TELAPI)? Under Windows, there's no problem. I have several dos boxes open right now, each of which has TELAPI and MS-KEMRIT 3.13 running. It works just fine, thank yu very much. I'm not sure what the limit is -- I've used a half-dozen simultaneously with no problems. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 18:47:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:47:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC VT terminal manuals needed Date: 12 Apr 1995 18:47:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mh778$1ur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Do you have any old DEC VT100, 102, ... 220, 240, 320, 340, 420 ... technical (programmer) manuals that you don't need? Most of these can no longer be purchased from DEC, and we (Kermit developers) *do* need them, and can make good use of them. If you would like to send your old VT terminal manuals (or for that matter, any working VT terminals of various models) to us, we can use them for developing and testing the terminal emulators that ultimately come back to you in our software. The same goes for Tektronix and other terminal types. If you are interested in donating old terminals or manuals, please send email to kermit@columbia.edu to make arrangements. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 02:49:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:50:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 14:50:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Message-Id: <1995Apr12.084915.47282@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Apr 95 08:49:15 MDT References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu>, JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit > *after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as > the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly > changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit > several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any > suggestions? Thanks. > > McClain Watson > JW2998@conrad.appstate.edu > Appalachian State University > Boone, N.C. 28608 --------------- Which Kermits? We have difficulty answering questions which are vague. The sending Kermit ultimately determines binary/text transfer mode and tells the receiving Kermit about it via file attributes packets which preceed each file. SET FILE TYPE BINARY is the command involved. The latest Kermits have the facility to have clients tell servers (no matter which way the file transfer will go) about their current text/binary state and ask the server to use that state. This is the "whatami" protocol addition, as we call it, and it is discussed in the release documentation for MSK and C Kermit. To ensure there is no misunderstanding you can say SET FILE TYPE BINARY to both sides before conducting a transfer. Servers also normally obey the REMOTE SET FILE TYPE BINARY command (from client, telling the server how to behave). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 06:28:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:30:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 18:30:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Roland A. Ryser <71125.320@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VT emulation on AS400 Date: 12 Apr 1995 06:28:01 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for away to connect my AS400 over X.25 to a DEC VAX. Therefore I need a VT emulator to use my 5250 terminals on the IBM side. Now somebody told me to use C-Kermit. Does anyone has experience or can give me some information about it? Any help is very appreciated. Roland From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 22:06:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:13:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 19:13:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!nntp-hub2.barrnet.net!nntp-ucb.barrnet.net!jeeves.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!noc.usfca.edu!zykin From: zykin@noc.usfca.edu (David Zykin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: It just locks up! Help! Date: 12 Apr 1995 22:06:11 GMT Organization: University of San Francisco Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: noc.usfca.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use ckermit to call the bank through a DECmodem v32 (dmcl) and it does not seem to be working. The modem is hanging off a DECserver 200 on a VAX, and its termial port is lta9013: Here's what I'm doing: ALM> run ckermit C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>set line lta9013: C-Kermit>set speed 9600 _ALM$LTA9013:, 9600 bps C-Kermit>set modem df200-series C-Kermit>c Connecting to _ALM$LTA9013:, speed 9600. The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. <---- at this point it locks up solid the escape character is useless and I have to kill my process from the server prompt to get out of it, and log back on. I can dial the modem by setting host/lat to it and giving it dialing commands, but with ckermit I just lock up and can't say anything to it. Anyone have a clue? I sure don't. -- |\_/| .-------------------------------------------. | @ @ Like... Woof! | Dave Zykin (zykin@noc.usfca.edu) | | <> _ | | | _/\------____ ((| |)) | : A dog may bark all night, but his legs | | `--' | | will not grow longer. | ____|_ ___| |___.' | | /_/_____/____/_______| `-------------------------------------------' From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 00:36:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:36:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT emulation on AS400 Date: 13 Apr 1995 00:36:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3mhrmi$b00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mfrth$8n8$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Roland A. Ryser <71125.320@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >I'm looking for away to connect my AS400 over X.25 to a DEC VAX. >Therefore I need a VT emulator to use my 5250 terminals on the IBM side. >Now somebody told me to use C-Kermit. Does anyone has experience or can >give me some information about it? Any help is very appreciated. > Unfortunately, the AS/400 remains one of the only computer systems that we don't have a Kermit program for (unless it is running AIX). Anyway, you're not going to have much luck using a 5250 as a terminal to a VAX, Kermit or no Kermit. They are two very different worlds. You might have better luck going in the opposite direction: initiate a connection from the VAX to the AS/400 if you can, which depends on the nature of the X.25 hookups, interfaces, and drivers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 00:41:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:41:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 12 Apr 1995 20:41:27 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: It just locks up! Help! Date: 13 Apr 1995 00:41:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3mhrvj$be1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3mhisj$3b0@noc.usfca.edu>, David Zykin wrote: : I'm trying to use ckermit to call the bank through a DECmodem v32 (dmcl) : and it does not seem to be working. : The modem is hanging off a DECserver 200 on a VAX, and its termial port : is lta9013: Here's what I'm doing: : Maybe before the "set line" command, you should give a "set modem" command? It might or might not make a difference. : C-Kermit>set line lta9013: : C-Kermit>set speed 9600 : C-Kermit>set modem df200-series <-- move this to before "set line". : C-Kermit>c : Connecting to _ALM$LTA9013:, speed 9600. : The escape character is ^\ (ASCII 28). : Type the escape character followed by C to get back, : or followed by ? to see other options. : <---- at this point it locks up solid Maybe here you should give a DIAL command, rather than trying to connect directly to the modem. Beyond these meagre bits of advice, I can only suggest you dig deeply into your DECserver documentation, LATmaster, and related items, or maybe repost your query to comp.os.vms, where the real VMS experts hang out. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 13 03:46:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:37:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 05:37:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!jazzmin.vnet.net!not-for-mail From: allbell@jazzmin.vnet.net (AL BELL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit for mac Date: 12 Apr 1995 22:46:05 -0500 Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3mi6pt$a25@jazzmin.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net Keywords: mac Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit for the Macintosh: I downloaded a test version of Macintosh Kermit from Delphi. It seems to work pretty well, except that sometimes, when I start the program, the system freezes and I get an error message that says something like "Write Error to PB -26." Does someone know what this message means? Also, I've had a hard time figuring out a way to erase other than using the backspace key. When using the Pico text editor, Is there a way to select a block of text and delete it? From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 15:09:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:37:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 13:37:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!cygnus.com!cygnus.com!rob From: rob@cygnus.com (Rob Savoye) Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Expect w/ Kermit Date: 13 Apr 1995 08:09:22 -0700 Organization: Cygnus Support Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <1995Apr12.152937.1784@gcm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27544 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2495 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) writes: > I am trying to automate some file downloads (kermiting across, >ftp, transfer, download back to host machine, etc) and I am encountering >some problems. I wrote an expect script, which, when run by hand, works >fine. But, when I try to kick the expect script via filter You might want to look at DejaGnu, the 1.2 release has expect code for talking to Kermit. I use it for talking to embedded systems. - rob - -- Cygnus Support << KERNEL: Panic, core dumped >> Headquarters PO Box 1548 Darkstar crashes, 1937 Landings Drive Nederland, CO 80466 pouring its light into ashes, Mountain View, CA 94043 +1 (303) 258-0506 reason tatters, ... +1 (415) 903-1400 From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 06:48:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:08:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26400 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 16:08:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Message-Id: <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com> Date: 13 Apr 95 11:48:34 EST References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 66 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu>, sac87574@saclink1.csus.edu (Scott Hanson) writes: > It could be my ignorance talking, but kermit is the only file transfer my > server has..I've tried raising packet size, opening more windows, and > basically everything I can think of without guidance to speed things > up..Why would anyone want to use this program? A 100,000 byte program > can take 10 minutes? It's ridiculous! On a connection at 9600 baud or above, this is a rather long time for Kermit to transfer the file. Using Kermit over a 9600 baud modem, I usually get transfers of 100K files taking under 2 minutes (around 900 bytes/sec or so). You need to raise the packet size and increase the number of windows, and preferably also use 8-bit transfers if possible. My guess is that either you haven't increased the parameters on _both_ the client and the server (most Kermit implementations need to have these parameters increased on both sides since the default values are very conservative and setting them on the client doesn't make it request the change in the server as well - it just causes them to negotiate the minimum values between them, which in that case would probably be the server's default values, and which are most likely not very efficient); or that your complete connection isn't as fast as you think it is (for example, there is a modem or machine in the middle somewhere that is a bottleneck and not letting more than about 200 bytes/sec through -- a 2400 baud modem, perhaps? That can appear to be faster than 2400 baud for simple text if it has V.42 bis data compression, but would seem to slow down remarkably for compressed binary transfers). If the problem is the latter, then your only solutions would be to replace the offending hardware or to find another circuit to the host that avoids using it. Moving to another protocol won't help much; properly configured, Kermit and ZModem are within a few % (single digits) of each other. (Kermit's biggest advantage is its ability to work over a much wider variety of host/client/circuit combinations). For sites where I do a lot of transfers, I prefer to put my usual settings in the appropriate .INI file, which saves a certain amount of typing on startup. For example, one CKERMIT.INI file I use for C-Kermit on several VMS systems that I regularly transfer files between is: set block 3 set send packet 1000 set receive packet 1000 set window 2 set terminal byte 8 set comm byte 8 set file type label Note that to be effective this has to be used on both sides!! Also note that it won't work for transferring files to/from PC's or Unix boxes unless you remove the `set file type label' line, and that the other parameters may or may not work (or be optimal if they do work) for your particular connection. 8-bit transfers in particular may fail on some machines that use only 7-bit ASCII, and on some circuits which include slow machines between the two endpoints, packets this long may cause characters to be dropped. Some half-duplex circuits may also not permit multiple windows to be used effectively. For what it's worth, I can configure Kermit to get around these problems but ZModem does not appear to be able to do so (although if the circuit is completely clean it is perhaps very fractionally faster, but about the only way you can tell for sure is with a stopwatch). Good luck, Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 23:11:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:11:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 19:11:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: too slow! Date: 13 Apr 1995 23:11:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3mkb38$fui@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ma7sh$h83@news.csus.edu> <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr13.114834.7576@ais.com>, wrote: : My guess is that either you haven't increased the parameters on _both_ : the client and the server (most Kermit implementations need to have : these parameters increased on both sides ... : Strictly speaking, not totally accurate. But practically speaking, good advice -- since it's easier to remember this way. However, the curious are referred to Table 8-1 on page 168 of "Using C-Kermit" for a quick summary of parameters and whose take precedence. : For sites where I do a lot of transfers, I prefer to put my usual : settings in the appropriate .INI file, which saves a certain amount : of typing on startup. For example, one CKERMIT.INI file I use for : C-Kermit on several VMS systems that I regularly transfer files : between is: : : set block 3 : set send packet 1000 : set receive packet 1000 : set window 2 : set terminal byte 8 <-- Does not affect file transfer : set comm byte 8 <-- Ditto : set file type label : : Note that to be effective this has to be used on both sides!! Also : note that it won't work for transferring files to/from PC's or Unix : boxes unless you remove the `set file type label' line... : You can generally use IF and built-in variables to construct scripts that are portable among the various C-Kermit implementations and also MS-DOS Kermit. In this case, for example: if equal "\v(system)" "VMS" set file type labeled : 8-bit transfers in particular may fail on some machines that use : only 7-bit ASCII... : But in cases where even, odd, or mark parity is being used, modern Kermit programs will detect it and switch to 8th-bit prefixing automatically. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 14:26:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:56:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07388 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 13 Apr 1995 22:56:03 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!maui!gcm.com!weiwen From: weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) Subject: Kermit via filter Message-Id: <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com> Sender: usenet@gcm.com (Cnews Administrator) Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 14:26:45 GMT Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to run kermit from filter, using a this in my .forward : "|/vol/bin/filter -vo /tmp/filter.rr" and my filter rule being : if then execute kermit.sh where kermit.sh is a shell wrapper for an expect script that calls kermit. I do a set host internet and then I try to connect. But, I get this error : Error opening /dev/tty congm: No such device or address If I run the script by hand, I have no problems, it is only when I try to run the script executed from filter that I get this error. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. <------------------------- Expect Script -------------------------> #!/vol/bin/expect -f spawn kermit expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set host internet\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set file type binary\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "set window-size 20\r" expect {*C-Kermit>*} send "connect\r" From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 23:54:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 04:49:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 04:49:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: Starting a DOS Session Hangs OS/2 C-Kermit Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Physics Department, Purdue University Date: Thu, 13 Apr 1995 23:54:25 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using C-Kermit 5A(190) under OS/2 Warp. Whenever I start a DOS session (from a DOS 6.22 VMDISK image), my Kermit terminal emulator misbehaves. Several strange characters are printed on the screen, and the emulator hangs. I can usually regain control by randomly hitting different combinations of ALT-R, ALT-B, ALT-U, and CTRL-C. After that, everything is fine (except for file transfers, which seem to die after a few packets), even if I keep the DOS session open. But, if I open another one, it happens again. Can anybody help? Thanks ... -- Andrew J. Korty Systems Programmer Physics Computer Network Purdue University From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 03:46:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09865 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 06:29:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 06:29:41 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: Set Key and LInux ckermit Message-Id: <1995Apr14.034619.18323@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu> <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 1995 03:46:19 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m3qon$ngv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1995Apr6.125844.22119@mercury.ncat.edu>, > wrote: >>I tried setting the function keys with linux ckermit, but all the function >>keys return two codes \27\xx. What happens is that set key won't take the >>function keys. Is there a work around this situation? >> >UNIX (including Linux) C-Kermit does not have direct access to BIOS-level >scan codes. So if you want to map F keys and other non-character keys, >you have to do it outside of Kermit. > >- Frank Thanks, Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 13:12:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 09:12:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit via filter Date: 14 Apr 1995 13:12:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mlsbj$le0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr13.142645.24475@gcm.com>, Wei-Wen Lee wrote: : I am trying to run kermit from filter ... : where kermit.sh is a shell wrapper for an expect script that calls : kermit. I do a set host internet and then I try to connect. But, : I get this error ... : Don't use expect to feed commands to Kermit. Just run Kermit itself instead of expect, and tell it to read its commands from a command file. It's easier, it's more straightforward, it works. You can even write UNIX C-Kermit script programs as if they were shell scripts by starting them with a line like this: #!/usr/local/bin/kermit and then giving them execute permission. See page 391 of "Using C-Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 13:27:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:42:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.infi.net!larry!btarr From: btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 14 Apr 1995 13:27:20 GMT Organization: InfiNet Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: larry.infi.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or comments will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 15:43:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06660 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 11:43:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Starting a DOS Session Hangs OS/2 C-Kermit Date: 14 Apr 1995 15:43:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3mm56j$6fv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andrew J. Korty wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A(190) under OS/2 Warp. Whenever I start a DOS >session (from a DOS 6.22 VMDISK image), my Kermit terminal emulator >misbehaves. Several strange characters are printed on the screen, and >the emulator hangs. I can usually regain control by randomly hitting >different combinations of ALT-R, ALT-B, ALT-U, and CTRL-C. After >that, everything is fine (except for file transfers, which seem to die >after a few packets), even if I keep the DOS session open. But, if I >open another one, it happens again. Can anybody help? Since OS/2 isolates each application (and session) from each other this clearly is not a C-Kermit bug. However, it might be a bug in Os/2 VMDISK handling. My only thought is that one of the device drivers you are loading in the Virtual Machine that you are creating with VMDISK is accessing some hardware that is causing an IRQ conflict of some kind. What kind of connection are you using? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 16:17:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:18:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10526 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 12:17:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 14 Apr 1995 16:17:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: : I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have : this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and : sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and : the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and : sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and : try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has : never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or : comments will be appreciated. : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling it to SET PORT COM2: SET COM2 \x2f8 3 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 18:35:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:50:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 17:50:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit in background Date: 14 Apr 1995 18:35:23 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a program that dials a modem and connects to a remote system. It then executes a dialog with a kermit on the remote to set it up to transfer a file. Then I want it to receive the file via kermit on my local system. I want kermit to just come up, receive a file via stdin/stdout and then go away. The whole thing will be executed via a crontab, so there will be no /dev/tty. This is on a Sun/Solaris box. The version of kermit we have (C-kermit?), when I run it with -riqd command line options, appears to attempt to open /dev/tty and otherwise behave in an unacceptable manner :-). Is there some way to make it do what I want, or is there a program that just implements the protocol using stdin/stdout as the port, without all the interactive program baggage? TIA Bob From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 22:01:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25128 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 18:01:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 14 Apr 1995 18:01:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 14 Apr 1995 22:01:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mmf9b$ial@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerardy wrote: : The version of kermit we have (C-kermit?), when I run it with -riqd : command line options, appears to attempt to open /dev/tty and otherwise : behave in an unacceptable manner :-). Is there some way to make it do : what I want, or is there a program that just implements the protocol : using stdin/stdout as the port, without all the interactive program : baggage? : All of those. Just read the documentation. : I have a program that dials a modem and connects to a remote system. It : then executes a dialog with a kermit on the remote to set it up to : transfer a file. Then I want it to receive the file via kermit on my : local system. I want kermit to just come up, receive a file via : stdin/stdout and then go away. The whole thing will be executed via a : crontab, so there will be no /dev/tty. This is on a Sun/Solaris box. : This is a roundabout way of doing what you want. You don't need to write a program to do this -- Kermit itself can do all of it. Just make a Kermit command file (script program) that does the dialing, the logging in, the starting of Kermit on the other end, and the transferring of files. It's much more straightforward that way, and it's how C-Kermit was designed to work. See Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". You can also make it work in the setup you have, but it's more complicated. The best way of doing it is by having your program pass the communication line's file descriptor to Kermit in the -l command-line option. Read about this in Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit". Btw, the current version of C-Kermit is 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 05:19:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20382 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 04:47:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 04:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.mindlink.net!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Making SLIP.EXE in OS/2 work woth C-Kermit (191) Date: 15 Apr 1995 05:19:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 10 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cursa.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Someone a while ago posted a message about how to use SLIP.EXE in OS/2 Warp with the beta version of C-Kermit for OS/2 (191). I forgot to save it, and I would appreciate it if that person would send me or post that message again. In particular, i need to know the command line options to use with SLIP.EXE so that it will work with C-Kermit. Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 14 17:14:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 06:00:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 06:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Message-Id: <1995Apr14.231439.47586@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Apr 95 23:14:39 MDT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) writes: > I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have > this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and > sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and > the port defaults to BIOS2. This provides very slow response times and > sometimes hangs the machines. If you simply exit the Kermit program and > try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. The problem has > never appeared under DOS. The machines have COM1 and COM2 ports and no > other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or > comments will be appreciated. ---------- I'd say your COM2 port has troubles of some kind. As Frank da Cruz says, Windows grabs the hardware and only simulates it within Windows (to MSK). Initalizing serial ports is a fine art today with the high varibility of port hardware on the market. Major item to resolve is ensure there are no IRQ or Port conflicts. After that it's between Windows and your hardware. Some internal modems and some big square chip UARTs have difficulties after the system boots and only very careful treatment will make them respond the first time. So you may want to shop the net for a replacment Windows serial port driver. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 07:30:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 07:30:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 07:30:38 -0400 From: mosaic@yiscgw.yonsei.ac.kr (Nas Mosaic) Organization: Nas Lab of EE Dept. in Yonsei Univ. Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!news.dacom.co.kr!news.kreonet.re.kr!usenet.hana.nm.kr!xpat.postech.ac.kr!cyberspam!usenet Message-Id: Control: cancel <3ml68a$t6m@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3ml68a$t6m@exodus.yonsei.ac.kr> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 15:17:38 KST Approved: me Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 13:25:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:25:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 09:25:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Making SLIP.EXE in OS/2 work woth C-Kermit (191) Date: 15 Apr 1995 13:25:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3mohg0$j0a@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mnl0f$1pm@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >Someone a while ago posted a message about how to use SLIP.EXE in OS/2 >Warp with the beta version of C-Kermit for OS/2 (191). I forgot to >save it, and I would appreciate it if that person would send me or >post that message again. In particular, i need to know the command >line options to use with SLIP.EXE so that it will work with C-Kermit. The SLIP.EXE command-line options have no effect on C-Kermit. They only effect the connection you are making with your provider. But a better place to put these options is in your SLIP.CFG file which is located in your ETC directory. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 15:36:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 19:56:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06934 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 19:56:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Date: 15 Apr 1995 11:36:38 -0400 Organization: Iguana Extract Information Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3mop66$c0e@panix.com> References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From somewhere in cyberspace, btarr@infi.net (Bruce Tarr) said: >I have seen several 486 PCs with DOS 6.22, WFW 3.11 and Kermit 3.11 have >this same problem: When Kermit is first executed after rebooting, and >sometimes at other random times, the COM2 port is reported as not found and >the port defaults to BIOS2. >If you simply exit the Kermit program and >try again, it always connects to the COM port correctly. I've had this problem under regular Windows (as well as WFW 3.11). I tell Kermit to "SET PORT COM2" again, and then it works -- I didn't have to exit and restart it. -- Ed Ravin | Theater is life, | eravin@panix.com | Film is art, | The meek are +1-212-678-5545 | Television is furniture. | getting ready. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 14:10:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:54:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 15 Apr 1995 21:54:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Sat, 15 Apr 1995 18:10:59 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95105.181059HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit HATES COM3 ! Distribution: world References: <3mouko$9g5@hustle.rahul.net> Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu COM1 (your mouse) and COM3 (your Modem card) share the same IRQ (4). So since they cannot work together like that it is not usually a good idea to configure a serial port (modem) to COM3 period; that IS possible if borrow IRQ5 which is normally dedicated to LPT2 (second parallel port) if (1) you don't have a second parallel port; (2) your modem card supports configuring the combination COM3 (\x3e8) and IRQ5; and (3) your bios supports four simultaneous serial ports (E.g., some Ambra's, AT&T's, and PS/1's only support two, and combinations like COM3 IRQ5 are not supported). Reconfigure the modem port to COM4 and make sure COM2 software isn't loaded while you're using COM4 (and conversely). Also suggest that you use the the two MS-Kermit (script) subcommands: SET COM4 \x2e8 3 SET PORT COM4 if SET PORT COM4 does not work by itself. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 12 15:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:10:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 06:10:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.lang.tcl,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uunet!psinntp!maui!gcm.com!weiwen From: weiwen@gcm.com (Wei-Wen Lee) Subject: Expect w/ Kermit Message-Id: <1995Apr12.152937.1784@gcm.com> Sender: usenet@gcm.com (Cnews Administrator) Organization: Greenwich Capital Markets, Inc. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 15:29:37 GMT Lines: 35 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.lang.tcl:27621 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2512 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am trying to automate some file downloads (kermiting across, ftp, transfer, download back to host machine, etc) and I am encountering some problems. I wrote an expect script, which, when run by hand, works fine. But, when I try to kick the expect script via filter filter-rule: if then execute kermit gives me this error : Error opening /dev/tty congm: No such device or address Trying 192.9.205.2... C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, SunOS 4.1 (BSD) I don't know if this is a kermit problem or an expect problem. I don't THINK it is an expect problem, since expect seems to run fine. It seems like a kermit init problem, but I am not sure. In my expect script, I just do a : spawn kermit with these lines in my .kermrc set host internet set file type binary set window-size 20 Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 11:55:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23195 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:12:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 09:12:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!nntp.hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!apang From: apang@cs.ust.hk (Albert PANG) Subject: Chinese thru Modem+Kermit+Cxterm Message-Id: <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet@uxmail.ust.hk Nntp-Posting-Host: cssu147.cs.ust.hk Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:55:50 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I have the problem of not being able to display Chinese (Multi-byte) characters when connecting my local cxterm through modem using kermit on my Linux machine at home to the remote host at my school. I can read Chinese using the same modem under the Chinese Windows Terminal program, but not write. So I guess it's not the problem of my modem, but the software that links my terminal to the modem. Anyone knows whether kermit is at all suitable for such purpose? I have played around with various communication parameters in kermit, but without avail so far. Any hint for me, please? Thanks a lot! Albert From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 15:53:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27982 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:53:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 11:53:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Chinese thru Modem+Kermit+Cxterm Date: 16 Apr 1995 15:53:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3mrei9$8nd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr16.115550.7642@uxmail.ust.hk>, Albert PANG wrote: > I have the problem of not being able to display Chinese (Multi-byte) > characters when connecting my local cxterm through modem using kermit > on my Linux machine at home to the remote host at my school. > Can you display Chinese when you are NOT using Kermit? If so, then perhaps there is hope. If your xterm supports Chinese character display and input, there is a good chance Kermit can use it too. I can't test this locally, so I'd appreciate hearing about the results. Anyway, the trick for enabling Chinese character display would be something like this. First, the remote host and your xterm must use the same Chinese character set, such as GB 2312-80 or Big5. Then give the following commands to Kermit: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Hopefully, Chinese characters will be displayed correctly, and you should also be able to send them correctly using whatever keyboard input method is supplied by your Chinese xterm. If not, please send email directly to kermit@columbia.edu with details. By the way, Chinese terminal emulation is also possible using the same technique with MS-DOS Kermit, provided you using a Chinese version of DOS, such as ZWDOS or KCDOS. See the article on pages 15-18 of Kermit News Number 6, which most of our subscribers (at least the ones in the USA) should have received by now. More about this in a separate posting. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 13 16:03:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:31:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:31:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!yama.mcc.ac.uk!io.salford.ac.uk!ais007.salford.ac.uk!ais007 From: ais007@io.salford.ac.uk (Richard Letts) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help Needed With TCP/IP Date: 13 Apr 1995 16:03:48 GMT Organization: University of Salford Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: ais007.salford.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3m53f6$ot@raffles.technet.sg> onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) writes: >Subject: Help Needed With TCP/IP >From: onglc@technet.sg (Robert Ong) >Date: 8 Apr 1995 04:29:26 GMT >Hi, > >Can I install kermit in my PC (which is connected as a Netware client >in our office network), and run kermit to log into our Unix computer >as an ASCII/dumb terminal? yes > >I presume that I need a TCP/IP driver in my PC. Does kermit come >with a TCP/IP driver which will allow me to telnet over to our >Unix computer? Does anyone know if there is a freeware TCP/IP >driver that does the same thing? > nope; If you have ODI drivers installed on your PC then MS-Kermit from 3.12 ( and later) have TCPIP (with bootp, dns etc) built in and you don't need anything extra. You will however need the right thing in your net.cfg: something like: Link Driver .... int .... port .... mem .... frame ethernet_ii protocol IP 0800 ethernet_ii protocol ARP 0806 ethernet_ii {merge this with whatever you have for your Novell setup} Richard ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Network Manager mail: R.J.Letts@salford.ac.uk University of Salford phone: +44 161 745 5252 Great Britain fax: +44 161 745 5888 From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 20:48:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:48:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 16:48:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.dcom.modems,comp.os.aos,comp.os.qnx,comp.os.os9,comp.os.vms,comp.unix.solaris,comp.sys.stratus,comp.sys.hp.apps Subject: Kermit News #6 Available on the Web Date: 16 Apr 1995 20:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3mrvqk$1uf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2516 comp.protocols.tcp-ip:31519 comp.dcom.modems:88713 comp.os.aos:471 comp.os.qnx:4004 comp.os.os9:6327 comp.os.vms:99645 comp.unix.solaris:43327 comp.sys.stratus:1116 comp.sys.hp.apps:3428 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Issue 6 of Kermit News, the printed journal of Columbia University's Kermit project (Kermit = file transfer protocol and communications software), mailed to its subscribers last week, is now also available on the World Wide Web in hypertext (html) format at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Kermit News #6 announces new releases of Kermit software for DOS, Windows, UNIX, VMS, OS/2, QNX, Stratus VOS, DG AOS/VS, Microware OS-9, IBM mainframe operating systems, PDP-11s, etc etc, and even for GNU EMACS. It includes articles on new Kermit features including file transfer recovery and auto up/download. Feature stories include: . How to use Kermit software to access newsgroups and Web pages that are written in non-Roman, non-Latin-1 character sets. . How Kermit software "won" the 1994 Brazilian national election. . How Kermit software is automating US mail delivery. . How Kermit software is being used by mobile market researchers in the UK. . How Kermit software makes life easier for people with print handicaps. Back issues of Kermit News are also available: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/news.html To enter the "Kermit world" at the top, use: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 13:17:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 18:53:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12199 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 18:53:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!news.acns.nwu.edu!cnews.acns.nwu.edu!uicvm.uic.edu!pcliff Message-Id: <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@UICVM.UIC.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: tigger.cc.uic.edu Date: Sun, 16 Apr 1995 13:17:53 +0000 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: set file names Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago - ADN Computer Center From: pcliff@tigger.cc.uic.edu (Paul Clifford) Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu If I try to download a file to my local machine (using Linux c-kermit) from a remote computer (which uses c-kermit), the filename always ends up in uppercase. That is, if I issue the "receive" command from the local computer after telling the remote box to "send foobar.txt", the file will always appear as "FOOBAR.TXT". Typing "set file names literal" on the remote or local, or both, computers doesn't seem to change the result. Only if I tell the remote to "send foobar.txt foobar.txt" will the downloaded file appear in lowercase. Is there any way to configure settings so that I can simply use "receive" or "r" on my local box and no conversion will take place. Thanks for any help. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 16 23:44:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14800 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:44:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 16 Apr 1995 19:44:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: set file names Date: 16 Apr 1995 23:44:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3msa54$flr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <19950416.171305.198951.NETNEWS@uicvm.uic.edu>, Paul Clifford wrote: : If I try to download a file to my local machine (using Linux c-kermit) : from a remote computer (which uses c-kermit), the filename always ends : up in uppercase. That is, if I issue the "receive" command from the : local computer after telling the remote box to "send foobar.txt", the file : will always appear as "FOOBAR.TXT". Typing "set file names : literal" on the remote or local, or both, computers doesn't seem to : change the result. : If you just accept the defaults, here's what happens: The sending C-Kermit uppercases the name, and the receiving C-Kermit lowercases it again. So without any special commands, you should get the result you want most of the time. The only time you need to "set file names literal" is if you do not want pathnames stripped, or if filenames contain multiple periods that you want to keep, or if they contain other "strange" characters that Kermit converts to "X". Note that if "file names" are "converted" (the default, i.e. not "literal") at the sender, but *are* literal at the receiver, you will see the behavior you report. Btw, you can also get some additional control in this area by using the "set { send, receive } pathnames" command, that was added in version 5A(190), and works (mostly) independently of "set file names". You can even achieve nice effects like automatic directory creation. Read about these issues in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", and in the ckcker.upd file for version 5A(190). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 07:21:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:44:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 04:44:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!psgrain!news.teleport.com!news.teleport.com!not-for-mail From: sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Date: 17 Apr 1995 00:21:52 -0700 Organization: I? Organized? Right. :-) Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: kelly.teleport.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.14, 18 Jan 1995, patch level 3. I have not been able to find answers for these in my copy of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, 2nd edition, nor in the docs from the .zip file. Please let me know if there is something I have overlooked. First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the system displays the following: Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? Second: At the library where I work I have installed Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the host sends out escape sequences to change character colors regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to screen out. Is such selective screening possible? The only alternative I can think of would be to get the system administrator to install a modified termcap/terminfo entry -- which I could set up, but I don't think it would be allowed. Thanks in advance for any insights offered. Mail replies more than welcome. I will summarize responses if I get enough. P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! ----------------------------------------------------------------- Augustus was sensible that mankind is governed by names; nor was he deceived in his expectation, that the senate and people would submit to slavery, provided they were respectfully assured that they still enjoyed their ancient freedom. - Edward Gibbon, 1776 Mail: Web: From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 11:26:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:17:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 08:17:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!metro!templar!news From: tregan@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au (Tom Regan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit Pause Screen problem Date: 17 Apr 1995 21:26:41 +1000 Organization: Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney Lines: 28 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just started using MS-Kermit, and everything seems to work fine *except* for a small problem with pausing the screen: I am using Kermit to dial-in to an Ultrix box at 19200 bps with RTS/CTS flow control (vvt100 emulation). Long output from the Unix side comes through OK, unless I try to pause the output. I have tried the Pause key, and also Ctrl-S, but the symptoms are the same: the screen pauses OK, however when I press Pause to restart the display I regularly (not always) get a beep and 1 or 2 characters have been lost. It seems to be some sort of over-run problem(?). Another small problem that could be related to the above manifests itself when I try to edit the command line (e.g. Ctrl-D to delete a character). This often results in spurious characters being inserted into the command line. Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so could you please tell me how you solved it (sorry if this is an FAQ - even a nudge in the right direction would be much appreciated). Thanks, Tom -- Tom Regan (tregan@oac.usyd.edu.au) Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney, NSW, Australia Phone: +61 063 635564 Fax: +61 063 635629 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 12:42:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:35:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 09:35:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 17 Apr 1995 12:42:04 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >This is a roundabout way of doing what you want. You don't need to >write a program to do this -- Kermit itself can do all of it. Just >make a Kermit command file (script program) that does the dialing, >the logging in, the starting of Kermit on the other end, and the >transferring of files. It's much more straightforward that way, and it's >how C-Kermit was designed to work. See Chapters 11-13 of "Using C-Kermit". The program I have is not written just to accomodate Kermit. Kermit is entirely incidental to what I am doing; it justs happens to be the protocol available on the other end. I don't want Kermit to be sophistcated, I just want it to transfer the file and get out of the way. I have asked to have the documentation procured, since that seems to be the only way to get any help, but I thought I might get a hand with getting this going while I wait for the document. Silly me. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:35:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23244 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:35:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:35:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Date: 17 Apr 1995 14:35:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 82 Message-Id: <3mtub9$nvo@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com>, FIGHT THE POWER wrote: : First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP : connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads : the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It : then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the : system displays the following: : : Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' : Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd : : At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter : : Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip : Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd : : and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would : like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; : that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from : the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some : variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) : functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for : this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a : way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? : Yes. These are just hints; you'll have to work out the details yourself. Something like this: INPUT 10 Packet mode enabled for IP address: IF FAIL ... CLEAR INPUT INPUT 5 \13 At this point, the \v(input) variable should have the value of your IP addresss in it, perhaps with leading and/or trailing whitespace and carriage return. Now you should be able to do something like: SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \v(input) or: ASSIGN MYIP \v(input) SET TCP/IP ADDRESS \m(myip) Better yet, if your terminal server supports it (as do, for example, Ciscos), use BOOTP. MS-DOS Kermit can be told to SET TCP/IP ADDRESS BOOTP, and the SLIP server can be configured to pass along BOOTP requests to your university's BOOTP server. Check your terminal server manual to see if this is possible. : Second: At the library where I work I have installed : Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line : catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some : recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the : host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the : host sends out escape sequences to change character colors : regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The : problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much : nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on : black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS : Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem : is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I : can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; : e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to : screen out. Is such selective screening possible? : Long question, short answer: No. : P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The : Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! : Glad you liked it. As noted earlier, those of you who did not receive this issue can look at it on the Web at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html Or can ftp the ASCII or PostScript versions from: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/newsn6.txt or .ps. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:45:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:45:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 10:45:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 17 Apr 1995 14:45:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mmrbs$g0m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mtnms$cnv@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: >The program I have is not written just to accomodate Kermit. Kermit is >entirely incidental to what I am doing; it justs happens to be the >protocol available on the other end. I don't want Kermit to be >sophistcated, I just want it to transfer the file and get out of the >way. I have asked to have the documentation procured, since that seems to >be the only way to get any help, but I thought I might get a hand with >getting this going while I wait for the document. Silly me. > I also said: : You can also make it work in the setup you have, but it's more : complicated. The best way of doing it is by having your program pass : the communication line's file descriptor to Kermit in the -l command-line : option. Read about this in Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit". : I don't know your program so I can't tell you exactly, precisely what to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. Presumably your program has this in a variable -- let's say the variable's name is fd. Then you can form the Kermit command line like this: sprintf(buf,"kermit -l %d -r", fd); and then you can exec Kermit with this command line. Passing it an open file descriptor is necessary because otherwise it would try to get a lockfile, set device modes, etc etc, which would (should) not work if your proram had already opened it in the normal UNIX manner. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 17:53:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 13:53:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 13:53:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.dcom.modems Subject: Dataport Dialing Script for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 17 Apr 1995 17:53:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 159 Message-Id: <3mu9um$ftc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit, Dataport Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2524 comp.dcom.modems:88816 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some people have complained about the Dataport 14400 dialing script that is distributed with MS-DOS Kermit, saying that it fails to work because some of the commands are illegal. We had a Dataport here briefly for testing a year (or two?) ago, and it was OK then (I think :-). So either my memory is faulty, or new Dataport models have a different command set. In any case, with the help of Mike Walsh at Cal State U at Dominguez Hills, we've got a new dialing script for the Dataport Express (which is, perhaps, the postulated new model?) that seems to work. It is enclosed below. I have two questions for Dataport users: 1. Does it work with the Dataport Express? Meaning, not only does it not get errors, but does it indeed set up a high-speed, error-corrected, data-compressing, hardware-flow-controlled, BREAK-transparent connection? 2. If so, does it also work with the old (original?) Dataport model(s)? Please report by email to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks! - Frank ---(cut here)--- ; FILE DPXPRESS.SCR (MSMDPXR.SCR) ; ; An MS-DOS Kermit script program for dialing the AT&T / Paradyne Dataport ; Express modem, internal or external, to be used with MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or ; later. The modem is set for V.32bis, compression, error correction, all ; types of fallback, RTS/CTS flow control, fixed interface speed of 57600. ; ; Rename this file to DPXPRESS.SCR if necessary. ; ; To use: SET MODEM DPXPRESS (in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 or later) ; or: DEFINE _MODEM DPXPRESS (in Kermit 3.13 and earlier) ; and: Make sure Kermit executes the standard MSKERMIT.INI file. ; ; Authors: Christine M. Gianone, Frank da Cruz; Columbia U, September 1993 ; Revised Oct 94. ; Adapted to Dataport Express from DATAPORT.SCR, Apr 95. ; def errfail echo \%1, hangup, goto fail ; Macro to handle failures. if < VERSION 312 errfail {MS-DOS Kermit 3.12 or later required.} define chkerr if fail stop 1 \%1 define chkok input 3 OK, if fail stop 1 \%1 set input echo on ; So we can watch what happens. set input timeout proceed ; Allow IF SUCCESS, IF FAILURE. set input case ignore ; Use caseless string comparisons set parity none ; Avoid parity foulups set flow none ; Avoid flow control deadlocks hangup ; Begin by dropping DTR ; Speed. Don't worry about modem, it autobauds up to 57600 bps. ; NOTE: This modem doesn't seem to have a command for locking the ; interface speed. But it seems to do it anyway. ; set speed 57600 wait 5 dsr ; Time to recover from HANGUP... echo Configuring AT&T DataPort Express on \v(line). :INIT output ATQ0V1\13 ; Enable word result codes chkok {Can't get modem's attention} ; X6 = Verbose result codes, show modulation speed ; &C1 = CD follows RS232 ; &D2 = DTR follows RS232 ; &Q0 = Asynchronous data mode, use AT command set ; L0 = Low speaker volume output AAAT E1 X6 &C1 &D2 &Q0 L0\13 chkok {Can't initialize modem} output AT \92Q3\13 ; RTS/CTS hardware flow control chkok {Can't enable RTS/CTS} ; On modem wait 5 cts if fail errfail {Modem is not asserting CTS!} set flow rts/cts ; And in Kermit too, but only now pause 2 ; This is needed for internal model output AT %B14400 S78=0\13 ; Modulation = V.32bis with fallback chkok {Can't enable modulation fallback} output AT \92N7%C1\13 ; Compression and EC enabled chkok {Can't enable compression and EC} output AT \92K5\13 ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently chkok {Can't become transparent to BREAK} if def \%1 if not equal "\%1" "=" goto BEGIN echo Modem initialization complete, no number to dial end 0 :BEGIN ; Now DIAL. clear ; Clear INPUT buffer. set count 5 ; Dialing retry counter, 5 tries allowed. echo Dialing \%1 on \v(line) at \v(speed) bps, wait... echo pause 1 goto dial ; 1st time, skip pause and Redialing message :REDIAL set alarm 30 pause 30 ; Wait 30 seconds before redialing. if not alarm errfail {Dialing canceled.} echo Redialing... ; Message for redialing. pause 1 :DIAL output ATD\%1\13 ; Dial the number. set alarm 90 ; (For detecting keyboard interruptions.) if > VERSION 312 clear input ; Clear echo from INPUT buffer. if < VERSION 313 clear input 30 \10 ; Wait for the linefeeds... :GETMSG input 60 \10 ; ...that surround the response message. if success goto gotmsg ; Got a message. if alarm errfail {No response from modem.} ; No response in 90 seconds. hangup ; User interrupted from keyboard, output \13 ; cancel dialing by sending carriage return, goto again ; and go try again right away. :GOTMSG reinput 1 CONNECT ; Got a message, was it CONNECT? if success goto done ; If so, we're done. reinput 1 BUSY ; Line is busy. if success goto busy ; Go wait a while and then dial again. reinput 1 ERROR ; Command syntax error. if success errfail {Dialing command error} reinput 1 NO CARRIER ; Phone didn't answer or no carrier. if success errfail {No answer or no carrier} reinput 1 NO ANSWER ; No answer if success errfail {No answer - try again later} reinput 1 NO DIALTONE ; No dialtone when phone taken off hook. if success errfail {No dialtone - Is your modem connected to the phone line\63} goto getmsg ; None of the above, get another message. :BUSY if < \v(count) 2 goto quit ; Don't wait 30 seconds if tries are used up. Echo Line is busy, will dial again in 30 seconds. echo Press any key to cancel... output \13 ; CR cancels dialing hangup ; Hang up. :AGAIN if count goto redial ; Then go redial. :QUIT errfail {It never answers! I give up.} ; Too many tries. :DONE ; Connected. echo \7 ; Celebrate with a beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 0 ; Finished, return success code. :FAIL ; Dialing failed, no beep. define errfail ; Erase local macro definitions... end 1 ; Return failure code. ; End of DPXPRESS.SCR From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 21:29:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:43:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 18:43:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!alpha1.csd.uwm.edu!dbm From: dbm@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Dennis B Meilicke) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and FTP Date: 17 Apr 1995 21:29:00 GMT Organization: University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.169.1 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the following: Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND feature. So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of kermit? Thanks... Dennis From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 23:02:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:02:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 17 Apr 1995 19:02:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and FTP Date: 17 Apr 1995 23:02:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3mus1q$mai@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu>, Dennis B Meilicke wrote: : I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the : following: : : Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can : also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as : with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was : transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the : transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND : feature. : : So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a : reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of : kermit? : One does not do FTP (or Ymodem-G, or Zmodem, ...) transfers in Kermit. (Strictly speaking, one *can* invoke X- Y- or Zmodem as an external protocol from a Kermit program, and use it over the same connection, given the appropriate X- Y- or Zmodem software, such as DSZ for DOS; but one cannot do FTP transfers over the same connection as one's Kermit connection, although one could conceivably invoke ftp from the Kermit prompt to transfer files over a separate connection.) But if one WERE transferring a file in binary mode with ANY protocol -- Kermit or FTP or Ymodem-G, etc -- and if the partially transferred file was not discarded, then you could use Kermit's new recovery feature to continue the transfer from the point of failure, even though the original transfer might not have been done with Kermit. Does that clear it up? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 14:28:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:41:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 02:41:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and FTP Message-Id: <1995Apr17.202839.47761@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 20:28:39 MDT References: <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mumis$voj@uwm.edu>, dbm@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Dennis B Meilicke) writes: > I was just reading the latest issue of Kermit News, and ran across the > following: > > Another interesting property of the RESEND feature is that it can > also be used to recover interrupted non-Kermit transfers, such as > with Ymodem-G or FTP. As long as you have a partial file that was > transferred in binary mode, by whatever means, you can continue the > transfer from the point of failure using Kermit's new RESEND > feature. > > So. How does one do FTP transfers using c-kermit? Or is this a > reference to a feature in one of the other (MS-DOS?) versions of > kermit? -------------- The reference is to FTP, as in the cutout below. It does not mean that Kermit implements ftp (since you already have a large ftp program). Joe D. $ man ftp ftp(1) ftp(1) NAME ftp - file transfer program SYNOPSIS ftp [-c | -C] [dgintv] [hostname] DESCRIPTION The ftp command is the user interface to the ARPANET standard File Transfer Protocol (FTP). ftp allows a user to transfer files to and from a remote network site. USAGE Options may be specified at the command line, or to the command interpreter. etc recv remote-file [ local-file ] A synonym for get. reget Retrieve a file restarting at the end of the local-file. --> restart Restart the transfer of a file from a particular byte- count. rhelp [ command-name ] Request help from the remote FTP server. If a command- name is specified it is supplied to the server as well. etc. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 06:43:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 03:13:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 03:13:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!lamarck.sura.net!news.uky.edu!tso00 From: tso00@ewl.uky.edu (Tze-Sian SO) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: auto-redial & terminal type Date: 18 Apr 1995 06:43:26 GMT Organization: Engineering Workstation Lab Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: woodbine.ewl.uky.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can someone out there tell me how to do auto redial for c-kermit for os/2?? Besides, how can set the permanent terminal type because after I load my c-kermit program it will automatically set to vt220. Thanks in advance... -sian From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 12:55:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:56:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 08:55:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: auto-redial & terminal type Date: 18 Apr 1995 12:55:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3n0cso$286@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mvn2e$c71@service1.uky.edu>, Tze-Sian SO wrote: >Can someone out there tell me how to do auto redial for c-kermit for os/2?? > C-Kermit 5A(191) for OS/2 will announced shortly. It will include a new command (macro), XDIAL, which dials repeatedly until the connection is made or until you interrupt it. In earlier releases of C-Kermit, you can easily construct such a macro yourself, following the directions in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", chapters 11-13, covering the script programming language, something like the one listed in our FAQ: define mydial dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial } >Besides, how can set the permanent terminal type because after I load my >c-kermit program it will automatically set to vt220. > As explained in the manual, you can use the command: SET TERMINAL TYPE to "set" your "terminal" "type". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 15 17:09:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:08:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03152 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 09:08:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!kpapai.a2i!kpapai From: Ken Papai Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help - MSKermit HATES COM3 ! Date: 15 Apr 1995 17:09:44 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3mouko$9g5@hustle.rahul.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: kpapai Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have another question -- I have Kermit v. 3.01 (MAR 1990) and it has a major problem with COM3 port. Basically it will not echo back, unlike COM1 or COM2. This is frustrating as my COM1 is the mouse (I have no choice here dammit) and COM2 is an internal 2400 Baud modem. I *really* would like to use my 9600 Baud external modem on COM3 but MSKERMIT just refuses to obey! (I am using MSDOS 5.0) Is there any help for me? -- Ken Papai, Marin County, Calif. <*> The last, best hope for peace. <*> kpapai@rahul.net <*> The year is 2259... The place, Babylon 5. <*> From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 14:36:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17212 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:34:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 13:34:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 18 Apr 1995 14:36:14 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 27 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the requested transfer fails? Bob PS Here is the debug.log file it produced. Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] 4.2 BSD Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 local=1 action=118 conint process group test=1 conint isatty test=1 conint backgrd=1 Debug Log Closed From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 19:05:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:05:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 15:05:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 18 Apr 1995 19:05:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n12hk$92f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: >Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] > 4.2 BSD >Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 Please get a version of C-Kermit that isn't seven years old. I think we have made some changes since then. Current version is 5a(190), Oct 94. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 20:19:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:10:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 18 Apr 1995 22:10:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!news.ecp.fr!deniel!phil From: phil@deniel.via.ecp.fr (DENIEL Philippe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Urgent !! Kermit format Date: 18 Apr 1995 20:19:57 GMT Organization: Ecole Centrale Paris, France Lines: 18 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Nntp-Posting-Host: deniel.via.ecp.fr X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas ( format , constitution of the packets.....) -- /----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ | | | Philippe Deniel Eleve Ingenieur en 2e Annee a l'ECP | | E-mail: denielp6@cti.ecp.fr irc: Droopy | | | |----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | "The wise man is the one who knows his limits" | | (Clint Eastwood as Harry Callahan in "Magnum Force") | | | \----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 03:19:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00956 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:38:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:38:43 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!fdn.fr!uunet!news.dal.mobil.com!dlpcbc!awful!lerami!ler From: ler@lerami.lerctr.org (Larry Rosenman) Subject: Re: Urgent !! Kermit format Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 03:19:05 GMT Distribution: inet References: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Organization: Larry Rosenman's personal UnixWare 2.0 system Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr>, DENIEL Philippe wrote: >I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas >( format , constitution of the packets.....) Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol Author: Frank da Cruz Digital Press ISBN: 0-932376-88-6 (C) 1987, Larry -- Larry Rosenman Phone: +1 214-399-0210 (voice) Internet: ler@lerami.lerctr.org US Mail: 900 Lake Isle Circle, Irving, TX 75060-7726 From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 00:43:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Automated SLIP logins from MSK...? Message-Id: <1995Apr17.064318.47679@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 06:43:18 MDT References: <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 67 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mt4ug$evh@kelly.teleport.com>, sysone@teleport.com (FIGHT THE POWER) writes: > > Hi, I have a couple of questions regarding MS-DOS Kermit, > version 3.14, 18 Jan 1995, patch level 3. I have not been able > to find answers for these in my copy of _Using MS-DOS Kermit_, > 2nd edition, nor in the docs from the .zip file. Please let me > know if there is something I have overlooked. > > First: I have begun using Kermit over a dial-up SLIP > connection to my local provider. My script for doing this loads > the SLIP8250 driver if necessary, gets my password and dials. It > then handles the login. Once the connection is authorized, the > system displays the following: > > Set IP address of interface 'myname-slip' > Packet mode enabled for IP address: aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd > > At this point, I escape back to my Kermit prompt and enter > > Mykermit>set tcp/ip host myname-slip > Mykermit>set tcp/ip address aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd > > and from there I can TELNET &c. No problem so far. What I would > like to do is to automate the last portion of the transaction; > that is, for Kermit somehow to grab the hostname and address from > the incoming data. If I could get the incoming lines into some > variable(s), I might be able to use some of the new (3.14) > functions on them. INPUT and REINPUT don't seem to be geared for > this job -- at least from what the book and docs say. Is there a > way to retrieve and use information in this way within Kermit? You can move this material into a script. Have a look at the variable \v(input) which reports the "first line" of text still held in the buffer used by the INPUT command. That means up to the first LF, CR, FF seen there. SHOW SCRIPT will display that buffer. From that point you can slice & dice \v(input) as a string with the \f...() commands to extract the desired component. > Second: At the library where I work I have installed > Kermit on several PCs acting as terminals for the on-line > catalog -- these are on an ethernet. There are also some > recently delivered computers which are hooked directly to the > host via 9600-baud lines (COM1). On these latter machines, the > host sends out escape sequences to change character colors > regardless of the terminal type. Even 'TYMONO' does this. The > problem is that the colors used are horrible. It would be much > nicer to stick with basic screen colors; I like to use cyan on > black with green underscore. Is there a way to instruct MS-DOS > Kermit to ignore certain incoming escape sequences? The problem > is not such attributes as 'bold, reverse underline,' as these I > can control. The problem is the actual color change commands; > e.g. ^[[34;40m or ^[[36;40m sequences. It is these I would like to > screen out. Is such selective screening possible? The only > alternative I can think of would be to get the system > administrator to install a modified termcap/terminfo entry -- > which I could set up, but I don't think it would be allowed. Nope. There isn't a way to selectively turn on/off recognition of certain control sequences. Best to talks with the folks who wrote that library software. Joe D. > Thanks in advance for any insights offered. Mail replies > more than welcome. I will summarize responses if I get enough. > P.S. I just received _Kermit News_ No. 6 via snail. The > Brazilian Elections article was fascinating. Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 17 00:51:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:10:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Pause Screen problem Message-Id: <1995Apr17.065100.47680@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Apr 95 06:51:00 MDT References: <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3mtj9hINNpai@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au>, tregan@banjo.oac.usyd.edu.au (Tom Regan) writes: > I have just started using MS-Kermit, and everything seems to work fine > *except* for a small problem with pausing the screen: > > I am using Kermit to dial-in to an Ultrix box at 19200 bps with RTS/CTS flow > control (vvt100 emulation). Long output from the Unix side comes through OK, > unless I try to pause the output. I have tried the Pause key, and also > Ctrl-S, but the symptoms are the same: the screen pauses OK, however when I Control-S is XOFF software flow control and won't do what you want when using hardware flow control. The PAUSE key is a Bios operation invisible to MS-DOS Kermit and grabs the machine from Kermit. You will probably get better results by using the \Kholdscrn keyboard verb to "hold the screen" under Kermit's control. It is not assigned to any key by default, so choose a recognizable key combination (not the PAUSE key which is intercepted by the Bios). Please do note however, overruns can still occur in the overall comms channel if one component does not respond quickly enough to overflowing another's buffer. > press Pause to restart the display I regularly (not always) get a beep and 1 > or 2 characters have been lost. It seems to be some sort of over-run > problem(?). > > Another small problem that could be related to the above manifests itself > when I try to edit the command line (e.g. Ctrl-D to delete a character). > This often results in spurious characters being inserted into the command > line. That's a command line on the remote host because Control-D is not a Kermit command line operation. I can't guess what might be happening in this case. Joe D. > Has anyone experienced this problem, and if so could you please tell me > how you solved it (sorry if this is an FAQ - even a nudge in the right > direction would be much appreciated). > > Thanks, > > Tom > > -- > Tom Regan (tregan@oac.usyd.edu.au) > Orange Agricultural College - University of Sydney, NSW, Australia > Phone: +61 063 635564 Fax: +61 063 635629 From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 01:59:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:54:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 11:54:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uunet!news1.cle.ab.com!iccgcc.cle.ab.com!principe From: principe@beast.cle.ab.com (Tony Principe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 19 Apr 95 06:59:16 EST Organization: Allen-Bradley Co. Inc Lines: 10 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: beast.cle.ab.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on the sending Kermit. Thanks, Tony -- From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 16:08:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:09:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:08:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 19 Apr 1995 16:08:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3n3cii$2l3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, Tony Principe wrote: : I am using MS Kermit 3.12 ... : The current version is 3.14. : ... to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The : VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers : work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either : direction. : Please scrap Kermit-32 and install C-Kermit 5A(190) on your VAX. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. If, after installing C-Kermit and reading the documentation, you have further trouble, send e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu listing the specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 15:01:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:39:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:39:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!mhv.net!bbs.mhv.net!Rodriguez From: Robert.Rodriguez@bbs.mhv.net (Robert Rodriguez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 CKermit through a firewall Date: 19 Apr 1995 15:01:07 GMT Organization: MHVNet, the Mid Hudson Valley's Internet connection Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbh.mhv.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone compiled OS/2 Ckermit with the SOCKS DLLs to support TCP/IP access through a firewall (specifically a SOCKS server)? An AIX version that supports SOCKS would be helpful as well. Robert Rodriguez From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 17:18:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:18:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:18:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 CKermit through a firewall Date: 19 Apr 1995 17:18:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3n3gl8$b9e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n38jj$77m@over.mhv.net>, Robert Rodriguez wrote: > Has anyone compiled OS/2 Ckermit with the SOCKS DLLs to >support TCP/IP access through a firewall (specifically a SOCKS server)? >An AIX version that supports SOCKS would be helpful as well. C-Kermit for OS/2 5a(191) has built in support for SOCKS firewall servers. It does not require use of SOCKS.DLL. C-Kermit AIX 5a(190) may be recompiled on your system for SOCKS support. Just define CK_SOCKS during your compilation and make the necessary libraries available for linking. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 09:58:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:52:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 15:52:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 13:58:56 EDT From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Distribution: inet References: <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com> Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, principe@iccgcc.cle.ab.com (Tony Principe) says: >I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The >VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers >work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either >direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. >Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on >the sending Kermit. > Thanks, > Tony >-- The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 15:04:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02803 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 16:23:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Urgent !! Kermit format Message-Id: <1995Apr18.210416.47876@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Apr 95 21:04:16 MDT References: <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr> Distribution: inet Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n16td$2mh@piston.ecp.fr>, phil@deniel.via.ecp.fr (DENIEL Philippe) writes: > I am looking for information about the way Kermit is transmitting the datas > ( format , constitution of the packets.....) ------------- Then you want the prime reference, the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol", by Frank da Cruz, Digital Press 1988, ISBN0-932376-88-6. Butterworth-Heinemann is handling the DP books, now that DP is out of the book business. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 18:28:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:14:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl!NOORDAM From: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 19 Apr 1995 18:28:40 GMT Organization: CRI, Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Reply-To: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: rulcri.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the screen. After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and which ones are still there. All help is appreciated! Stephan Noordam  From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 00:13:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22524 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:13:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27435 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:13:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 00:13:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl>, STEPHAN NOORDAM wrote: : I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to : communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. : : * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the : screen. : Is it supposed to? : After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt : might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information : that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! : : * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. : : Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for : example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and : which ones are still there. : It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I say) perfectly. Type SHOW TERM at the VMS prompt and see what it says about your terminal type. Compare that with the type shown in Kermit's status line. Are they the same? (Unless you have gone out of your way to defeat the normal VMS login mechanism, they should be!) In any case, it does not sound to me as if you are using the normal VMS shell, which does *not* keep its prompt at the bottom of the screen. If you are running some kind of DCL "front end" that does its own escape sequences, you'd better be pretty sure that it does them correctly. Check these things, and if you still can't figure out what is wrong, send a session log by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 12:20:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:41:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:41:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Apr 95 18:20:25 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to > communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. > > * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the > screen. > > After having given a command from the VAX-prompt, the VAX-prompt > might reappear in the middle of the screen, while the information > that should have scrolled off the screen, is still there! > > * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > > Editing (at the commandline) becomes quite difficult: It is, for > example, impossible to know which characters have been deleted and > which ones are still there. ------------- Stephan, I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit. My first suggestion is to reacquire a fresh copy of MSK from kermit.columbia.edu (cd kermit/bin, get binary file msvibm.zip) and try again. Otherwise there is obviously something quite strange in your machine and/or the high bit of bytes is being chopped, and/or you have TSRs operating (or a very strange video mode) which affect video work, and other guesses. I presume you have chosen terminal kind VT320, and the VAX uses it (add $ SET TERM/INQUIRE to your login.com file if it doesn't). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 14:43:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 00:55:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A problem with PREFIX'ed characters Message-Id: <1995Apr19.204343.48005@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Apr 95 20:43:43 MDT References: <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com>, rusty@btg.com (Rusty Haddock) writes: > > Please let me call the Kermit maintainers' attention to what appears > to have been a problem for me when using the latest version of MS-DOS > Kermit with C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun. This problem has to do with the > differences in which control characters that each version of Kermit can > set/unset as prefixed. In C-Kermit, the command "set control unprefix > all" sets the control characters ASCII 1-31,127-159, and 255 as being > unprefixed. Oddly(?) enough the NULL character, ASCII 0, is always listed > as being prefixed. That cannot be changed, so it appears. Hrumph! > > Now let's look at the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14. > "set control unprefix all" sets even the NULL character as being > unprefixed yet the user can not tell Kermit "set control unprefix 127" nor > "set control unprefix 255" without an error message as one could do in > C-Kermit. > > For me, performing "set control unprefix all" to both C-Kermit and > MS-DOS Kermit before a *binary* file transfer appears to causing the > file not to be transferred because of the differences in what each > version of Kermit considers "all". Is this something that needs to > be coordinated between the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit maintainers? > To me, both versions appear to be incorrect in that if I request all > characters to be unprefixed, then by golly I should get that for ALL > 256 characters. Maybe I've missed something here.... -------------- Yup. Telnet for one thing. When operating across Telnet one must send 0xff (255 decimal) as data by sending 255 255; that's the IAC Telnet escape code. Add parity, as we can do, and that exception includes 127 decimal. Rather than making a special set of code to deal with doubling only for Telnet, and consequently slowing down transfers, we simply don't unprefix it. Both 127 and 0 are often treated as padding throwaways by many systems, so we try to avoid getting into warm water by using them. C strings and functions applied to them get into all kinds of trouble with 0 as data since it's also a string terminator. Thus C Kermit prefers to avoid those problems by not using bare 0 as data. Both MSK and CK should work just fine with mixed unprefixed sets, PROVIDED the comms link as a whole tolerates the treatment. The receivers in both programs are ready to absorb bare control codes from the other side no matter which codes it sends unprefixed the other way. The difference in performance between unprefixing, or not, the very last possible control code is normally far too small to measure in practice. Most likely your choice of unprefixing "all" has simply revealed troubles in the comms pathway, as we strongly warn every time the unprefixing topic arises. Finding the sensitive codes is up to you since a) we don't know your equipment, and b) there isn't any foolproof way of finding out on the fly. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 20:15:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:32:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 07:32:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.btg.com!btg.com!not-for-mail From: rusty@btg.com (Rusty Haddock) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A problem with PREFIX'ed characters Date: 19 Apr 1995 16:15:36 -0400 Organization: 1/entropy Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3n3r18$m3s@pop.btg.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pop.btg.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please let me call the Kermit maintainers' attention to what appears to have been a problem for me when using the latest version of MS-DOS Kermit with C-Kermit 5A(190) on a Sun. This problem has to do with the differences in which control characters that each version of Kermit can set/unset as prefixed. In C-Kermit, the command "set control unprefix all" sets the control characters ASCII 1-31,127-159, and 255 as being unprefixed. Oddly(?) enough the NULL character, ASCII 0, is always listed as being prefixed. That cannot be changed, so it appears. Hrumph! Now let's look at the current version of MS-DOS Kermit, v3.14. "set control unprefix all" sets even the NULL character as being unprefixed yet the user can not tell Kermit "set control unprefix 127" nor "set control unprefix 255" without an error message as one could do in C-Kermit. For me, performing "set control unprefix all" to both C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit before a *binary* file transfer appears to causing the file not to be transferred because of the differences in what each version of Kermit considers "all". Is this something that needs to be coordinated between the C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit maintainers? To me, both versions appear to be incorrect in that if I request all characters to be unprefixed, then by golly I should get that for ALL 256 characters. Maybe I've missed something here.... Thanks for your consideration. -Rusty- -- _____ Rusty Haddock ## KD4WLZ -- Weird Looking Zucchini |\/ o \ o DOMAIN: rusty@btg.com UUCP: uunet!btg!rusty | ( -< O o I planted my antenna farm and aluminum and copper poles |/\__V__/ came up. The strange thing is that I used steel seeds. -- _____ Rusty Haddock ## KD4WLZ -- Weird Looking Zucchini |\/ o \ o DOMAIN: rusty@btg.com UUCP: uunet!btg!rusty | ( -< O o I planted my antenna farm and aluminum and copper poles |/\__V__/ came up. The strange thing is that I used steel seeds. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 05:18:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:01:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 08:01:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!unicorn.it.wsu.edu!f0030893 From: f0030893@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (richard roy drake) Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:18:25 GMT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Washington State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: : : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or : : comments will be appreciated. : : : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See : KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS : communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling : it to SET PORT COM2: : SET COM2 \x2f8 3 : - Frank I am having the same problem as Bruce Tarr and have read the KERMIT.BWR. I put in the SET COM2 \x2f8 3 in the MSCUSTOM.INI file and still get the problem. I've played with the speed and flow control settings but since it is an intermittant problem, its hard to tell if this changes anything. Any other suggestions? Richard D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 13:00:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:49:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10263 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 10:49:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 13:00:56 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >> >> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >> screen. >> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. [...] >Stephan, > I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit [...] This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. Just a thought. Maybe Joe and Frank could comment more? Mike Ciaraldi ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 17:03:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09119 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:03:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 20 Apr 1995 17:03:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 53 Message-Id: <3n645c$okc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net>, Michael Ciaraldi wrote: >In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >>> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >>> >>> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >>> screen. >>> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > >This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. >Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. >Just a thought. > It's always a possibility. But usually when you have flow control problems (and therefore data loss), you see fragments of escape sequences on the screen -- lots of left brackets, numbers, semicolons, etc. But yes, it is always a good idea to be sure that flow control is in effect, but the exact setup depends on how you came into VMS (direct dial, terminal server, etc). On the VMS end, you have to make sure SHOW TERM says TTSYNC and HOSTSYNC, and then everything else is set up as required by the connection (RTS/CTS, hopefully, if dialing into a terminal server / Xon/Xoff if dialing in to a VAX port). I think Stephan said he was using VT102 emulation, so I would not expect 8-bit transparency to be a problem. But since MS-DOS Kermit provides full VT320 emulation, and VMS can take advantage of it, why not use it? Before logging in to VMS, tell MS-DOS Kermit to: set parity none set term byte 8 set term controls 8 ; optional set term type vt320 and then VMS and Kermit should "configure each other" appropriately. If you can't actually make an 8-bit connection, then: set parity even ; or space, or whatever set term byte 7 set term controls 7 set term type vt320 and tell VMS to: set term /noeight But like I said before, all bets are off if you are using some kind of "front end" to VMS with hardwired escape sequences in it. Properly written screen-oriented VMS applications use SMG, which is sort of the VMS equivalent of curses, rather than sending hardcoded escape sequences. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 15:43:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:06:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 13:06:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!meaddata!news From: robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 20 Apr 1995 15:43:43 GMT Organization: Mead Data Central, Dayton OH Lines: 22 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com> References: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Reply-To: robertg@meaddata.com Nntp-Posting-Host: atom.meaddata.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com, robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) writes: >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. > > >I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as >well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. > >BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option >is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the >requested transfer fails? > >Bob > OK. So I fetched the latest version. It produced a larger debug.log file, but still doesn't work. I can send someone the debug.log file if that would be of use. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 18:35:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:35:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 14:35:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Date: 20 Apr 1995 18:35:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3n69hk$5du@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5vff$hue@meaddata.meaddata.com>, Robert Gerdardy wrote: : In article fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com, : robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerardy) writes: : >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, : >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. : > : >I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write : >as well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. : : OK. So I fetched the latest version. It produced a larger debug.log file, : but still doesn't work. I can send someone the debug.log file if that : would be of use. : Can we take this offline, please? I think this is just pilot error, but I'll need to know more details, and there is no point in suffering through the newsgroup propogation delays. Please send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 19:31:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:08:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:07:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!dcsun4.us.oracle.com!news From: asriniva@us.oracle.com (Andre Srinivasan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 and Meta-Control keys? Date: 20 Apr 1995 19:31:02 GMT Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California, USA. Lines: 17 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: asriniva-sun.us.oracle.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone figured out how to get C-Kermit for OS/2 to generate M-C key sequences? Thanks. -andre. -- -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Andre Srinivasan | Oracle Corporation | "...objectively strategizing for the subdivision." California, USA | -Steve Viavant asriniva@us.oracle.com | -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- ***I, not Oracle, take responsibility for everything I say, think, or do.*** From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 22:17:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:17:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:17:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit for OS/2 and Meta-Control keys? Date: 20 Apr 1995 22:17:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3n6mhm$1iq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andre Srinivasan wrote: >Anyone figured out how to get C-Kermit for OS/2 to generate M-C key >sequences? > Any key that generates a unique scan can be mapped to send anything you want. Unfortunately, for historical reasons, in OS/2 C-Kermit, Ctrl-Alt combos generate exactly the same scan codes as Alt combos by themselves. So you can't use the Alt key as a Meta key when control characters are involved. The closest mapping we could come up with is given in the EMACSKEYS.INI file that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit. Yes, it would be possible to expand the range of scan codes, but not without changing some of the current ones, which would break current key mappings. A solution for this problem is on our list for future releases. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 20:37:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:37:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 18:37:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: BPICK@cisti.lan.nrc.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 20 Apr 1995 20:37:33 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control parity, etc.... and nothing worked. The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually do a telnet. Any help is appreciated. Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 23:12:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07021 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 19:13:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 20 Apr 1995 23:12:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3n6ppq$6ra@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, wrote: : Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts : when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. : So this is a linemode telnet, obviously, because Kermit doesn't (yet :-) do 3270 emulation. IBM mainframes in line mode send ^Q as a signal meaning "it's your turn to transmit". Read about "set handshake" in any of the Kermit manuals for a fuller explanation. : This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some : commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control : parity, etc.... and nothing worked. : : The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually : do a telnet. : You just don't see them, that's all. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 13:09:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08802 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:42:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 20 Apr 1995 21:42:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help - MSKermit, WFW 3.11 and missing COM port? Message-Id: <1995Apr20.190924.48083@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Apr 95 19:09:24 MDT References: <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net> <3mm77g$a8r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , f0030893@unicorn.it.wsu.edu (richard roy drake) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > : In article <3mlt7o$hh0@lucy.infi.net>, Bruce Tarr wrote: > > > > : : other devices are using IRQ 4 or 3. Any known solutions, work arounds or > : : comments will be appreciated. > : : > : Windows is running roughshod over the BIOS communications area. See > : KERMIT.BWR for a detailed technical explanation. To fix the BIOS > : communications area, give the following command to Kermit before telling > : it to SET PORT COM2: > > : SET COM2 \x2f8 3 > > : - Frank > > > I am having the same problem as Bruce Tarr and have read the KERMIT.BWR. > I put in the SET COM2 \x2f8 3 in the MSCUSTOM.INI file and still get the > problem. I've played with the speed and flow control settings but since > it is an intermittant problem, its hard to tell if this changes anything. --------------- As we've tried to explain, Windows owns the serial port hardware. Not all hardware is configured as we think, not all works well with Windows (for a long list of candidate reasons). Thus it falls upon the owner of the machine to sort out that part of things, alas. A primary rule in this area is no two pieces of hardware can use the same IRQ wire (whether or not you "intend" to use the device) nor the same i/o Ports (and those are in blocks of typically 8-16 adjacent values, so watch out for overlaps). In addition to these static setup items some serial ports are very sluggish or picky about first use after a cold boot. Windows is the agent initializing them, and such initialization steps may produce a non-functional serial port. See the comments on the SMC big square chip modem as one example. We wish we could cast a magic spell and your machine would work. As close as we can come these days is "spend more money, try other hardware." What a world, and it's not getting better, and it happens to all of us. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 23:45:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:14:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 00:14:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: rmshair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: telnet 3270 Date: 20 Apr 1995 23:45:10 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3n6rm6$rf7@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3n626m$fia@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hecht@ibm.net writes: >how do you get ckermit 190 for os/2 (or the new beta) to emulate a >telnet 3270 session... it seems to only do standard telnet You can't. Kermit provides a lot of function. Not that one. You can use Kermit in conjunction with an external protocol converter (e.g. 3174 AEA, 7171, 3708...). I use it to dial into an RS/6000 running HCON, which does 3270 emulation. You can dial into any Unix system, and TN3270 from there, but Kermit will be emulating, say, a vt220, not a 3270. vt220 on C-Kermit 191 is nice, because you can set terminal width 132 (or 80) set terminal height 28 (or 44) dial into your Unix system, eval resize (so that it will ask your vt220 its screen size) tn3270 to your mainframe and be a 3270 model 5 (or 4) -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue rmshair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 07:23:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:36:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 04:36:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.13 MSKERMIT for Z100 and CTS Date: 21 Apr 1995 07:23:42 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n7mhu$8pj@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying to implement hardware handshaking with the Z100's kermit but the Kermit CTS test fails to work. Wait 0 CTS if succ then ...... Is this just a bug that has to be lived with? It fails on both serial ports to detect when CTS is high. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 02:49:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:34:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 05:34:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995Apr20.084954.48029@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Apr 95 08:49:54 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5lu8$gbq@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > In article <1995Apr19.182025.47998@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3n3koo$ref@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >>> I use MS-Kermit 3.14 (18.1.95) with VT102 terminal emulation to >>> communicate with a VAX/VMS computer, and have the following problems. >>> >>> * The VAX-prompt does not always appear at the bottom of the >>> screen. >>> * The position of the cursor is not always shown correctly. > [...] >>Stephan, >> I assure you, those are not "features" of MS-DOS Kermit > [...] > > This sounds like a possible flow control problem to me. > Losing a few bytes in a control sequence might have effects like this. > Just a thought. > > Maybe Joe and Frank could comment more? > > Mike Ciaraldi > ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com ------------ Yes, Mike. Loss of bytes from inadequate flow control certainly would make a mess of things. The original report didn't indicate the nature of things clearly enough to decide if that's the effect or not, but curing possible flow control problems is the right thing in all cases. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 16:33:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:46:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 12:46:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 21 Apr 1995 16:33:47 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit : terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I : say) perfectly. Please Frank (and Joe D.) feel free to use the word "perfectly". Or maybe not. MSKermit does a better job of VT100 than a DEC VT100 terminal. How is that possible? By definition of the official Digital Equipment Corp VT100 evaluation. While testing various terminals for OEM relabelling, we found that none of them would pass all phases of the DEC VT100 testing. But we also found that the DEC VT100 would fail, if the test was being driven by a fast computer. MSKermit failed the "large character" mode, as noted in the docs, but passed all of the other modes. We finally OEM'd a terminal that was chosen by one of our large customers, and was not the one favored by internal test... Oh well. The MSKermit VT100 has proven to be correct in every case of serial corruption that I encountered while debugging problems with serial handlers and various terminals. If a problem was reported, MSKermit was always my standard for investigation. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 18 05:41:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24591 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:45:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 14:45:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit in background Message-Id: <1995Apr18.114110.47817@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Apr 95 11:41:10 MDT References: <3mtuu4$ov4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Robert, I think it should be fairly obvious that major changes to CKermit have occurred over the past seven years, and to discuss these file descriptor things it would be wise to obtain the current issue. Joe D. -------------- In article <3n0iou$fhc@meaddata.meaddata.com>, robertg@meaddata.com (Robert Gerdardy) writes: >>to do, but the general idea is to invoke Kermit with the "-l n" option, >>where n is the numeric file descriptor of the open communication device. > > > I tried using using -l 0, it still didn't work. I guess it wanted to write as > well as read stdin? I want it to receive on stdin and send on stdout. > > BTW, it also seems to return an exit code of 0 even when the receive option > is used and the transfer fails? Shouldn't it return something else if the > requested transfer fails? > > Bob > > PS Here is the debug.log file it produced. > > Debug Log [C-Kermit, 4E(070) 29 Jan 88] > 4.2 BSD > Tue Apr 18 10:26:29 1995 > > local=1 > action=118 > conint process group test=1 > conint isatty test=1 > conint backgrd=1 > Debug Log Closed > > From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 11:28:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:26:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 20:26:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gweisz From: gweisz@csn.net (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: arrow keys and www? Date: 19 Apr 1995 11:28:38 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, but i am stuck. in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew macro) the arrow keys do not work right. to move among highlighted links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows and to move among levels the left/right keys. however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do you wish to send a comment" if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command to download down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last highlight) how can i get out of this cleftstick? thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 13:19:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15837 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!d-bott From: d-bott@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (bott david m jr) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: No ack errors - any suggestions? Date: 21 Apr 1995 13:19:55 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using a USR Sportster 14.4 modem connecting to a modem bank at the University of Illinois, U-C. I've been uploading uuencoded files for mailing using CrossTalk for Windows' Kermit Protocol with the following settings: Filetype: text Checksum: single Timing: tight Sliding Window: 2 Max Packet length: 1024 and my .kermrc on the Unix account is: block 3 window-size 2 send packet-length 1024 receive packet-length 1024 file collision overwrite I am constantly getting "no ack" errors (the only kind) and they slow down the transfer considerably on uploads (I can use the less robust zmodem transfer on downloads and achieve really high transfer rates). Is there anything I can do to reduce the "no ack" errors or is this a function of the hardware and mainframe "busy-ness?" I realize this is ALMOST a non-kermit question, but KERMIT is the only protocol that allows even 1000-1100 bps transfer rates. All others fail to upload (but they download OK). Thanks for any help. DAve -- David M.Bott, Jr. Please address email to: d-bott@uiuc.edu Sociology Department and Coordinated Science Lab University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 19 12:25:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 21 Apr 1995 21:59:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!phcoms4.seri.philips.nl!ehviec.ie.philips.nl!cvissenb From: cvissenb@emt.ie.philips.nl (C. Vissenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using PgUp/PgDn in OS/2 CKermit Date: 19 Apr 1995 12:25:17 GMT Organization: Philips Industrial Electronics ,Eindhoven Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: aaasun.ie.philips.nl X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using OS/2 C-Kermit 190 as a replacement for TELNET. I don't want to use the PgUp, PgDn, Home and End keys for terminal scrolling. I want the right sequences to be sent to my hostcomputer. How do I do this? -- Con Vissenberg | GCS d-- H- s g- p?>1 a w+ v C+ US+$ cvissenb@aaa.ine.philips.nl | !P L>+ 3 E N++ K W--- M? !V -po+ I don't speak for Philips. | Y+ t !5 !j R G? tv b+ !D B? e++ | u+ h---- f r+++ n+ z+++ From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 07:37:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:46:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 04:46:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.tele.fi!news.csc.fi!news.funet.fi!news.kbfi.ee!kaie.va.ttu.ee!sofia.va.ttu.ee!uuno From: uuno@sofia.va.ttu.ee (Uuno Vallner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Defining functional keys Date: 20 Apr 1995 07:37:43 GMT Organization: Tallinn Technical University, Estonia Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee> Nntp-Posting-Host: sofia.va.ttu.ee X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We try to use KERMIT DOS as terminal. We have Novel and Unix mixed network. We try access to OSF/1 via IPX using Softnet in OSF/1. We defined Kermit port bios3. It works perfectly. We need to use estonian characters. We are resolved this problem too. But ... We use application in OSF/1 (text retrieval system trip), which needs for operating Application keypad (7,8. 9 ..1,0 ...)and some functional keys. But Kermit are using 7 as "home" Kermit interpreted non correct functional keys. After pressing f1, system sends only ESC , after next f1 follows code and new ESC. Same effect is with array keys. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 21 03:27:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 08:26:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 08:26:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!torn!news.uunet.ca!uunet.ca!torrie!gordon From: gordon@torrie.org (Gordon Torrie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Summary: You need a Kermit script. Here it is. Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Apr 95 23:27:37 -0400 References: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Organization: Torrie Communication Services Lines: 185 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu H. D. Knoble writes: | In article <1995Apr19.065916.1@iccgcc.cle.ab.com>, principe@iccgcc.cle.ab.com | (Tony Principe) says: | | >I am using MS Kermit 3.12 to transfer files between my PC and a VAX. The | >VAX Kermit is Kermit-32 version 3.3.128. Although ascii file transfers | >work ok, I haven't had any luck with transferring binary files in either | >direction. I'm not sure if the problem is on the PC end or the VMS end. | >Is there a particular setup that I need? I've set file type is binary on | >the sending Kermit. | | The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. No it is not. While C-Kermit undoubtedly has advantages over Kermit-32, Kermit-32 is not the problem. The solution is to create a Kermit script that MS-Kermit then runs. I have done this and include it below. This script is currently used by several people at work to successfully transfer files between MS-Kermit 3.12 and Kermit-32 3.3.128. These file transfers proceed correctly and quickly even though the users are all connected to the VAX via terminal servers (DECserver 100s). Note that you must have ANSI.SYS device driver loaded otherwise the menus will not display properly. The script could be altered if you really don't want to load ANSI.SYS. ; VAX/VMS Kermit-32 <-> IBM PC File Transfer setup ; Requires MS-Kermit 3.00 ; Gordon Torrie February 1990 ; ; July 10, 1991 - Changed the packet length from 94 to 300. ; Acquired Kermit-32 version 3.3.128 to replace ; version 3.3.117 on the VAX. The new version ; supports long packets so we will make use of them. ; ; June 20, 1992 - Changed the packet length from 300 to 1000. ; ; Sept 11, 1994 - Added Blocksize input for Fixed length files. ; (To upload BACKUP saveset files with the ; correct blocksize). ; ; Note: The VAX is assumed to be at the dollar prompt on entry ; to this procedure. ; This procedure returns the VAX to the dollar prompt on ; exit. SET TAKE-ECHO OFF ; Don't echo this file SET INPUT ECHO OFF OUTPUT \26; ; Ensure we are at the dollar prompt :FTPMENU1 ECHO {\27[2J \27[4mVAX <--> PC File Transfer Setup\27[m\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mA\27[m = Text files (Ordinary ASCII)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mB\27[m = Binary files (No translation)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mF\27[m = Fixed-length-record files\13} ECHO { (Special type of binary file)\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mX\27[m = Exit from this procedure\13\10 :FTPSTART ASK \%z {Which type of file? \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z GOTO FTPSTART SET INPUT CASE IGNORE ; Ignore case of user-input IF EQUAL \%z A GOTO FTPASC IF EQUAL \%z B GOTO FTPBIN IF EQUAL \%z F GOTO FTPFIX IF EQUAL \%z X POP ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Choose one of \27[1\{59}5mA, B, F, \27[mor \27[1\{59}5mX\27[m.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPSTART ; For Text files :FTPASC ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY NONE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE ASCII\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR GOTO SERVE ; For Binary Files :FTPBIN ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY SPACE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE BINARY\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY GOTO SERVE ; For files with Fixed Length Records such as executable images and ; BACKUP savesets. :FTPFIX DEFINE \%z ASK \%z {Blocksize to use? (Default is 512) \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z DEFINE \%z 512 ; Set default blocksize if none specified IF LLT {\%z} 9 GOTO FTPFIX_GO ; Check that a numeric value was specified ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Blocksize must be numeric.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPFIX :FTPFIX_GO ECHO {Wait one moment\13\10} OUTPUT KERMIT\13 ; Start Kermit-32 INPUT Kermit-32> ; Wait for it's prompt CLEAR ; Clear the input buffer OUTPUT {SET PARITY SPACE\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE TYPE FIXED\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE BLOCKSIZE \%z\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR SET PARITY SPACE SET FILE TYPE BINARY :SERVE ; Set parameters common to all file type transfers :FTPCOM OUTPUT {SET BLOCK_CHECK_TYPE 3\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET RECEIVE PACKET_LENGTH 1000\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET SEND PACKET_LENGTH 1000\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET FILE NAMING NORMAL_FORM\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT {SET SERVER_TIMER 0\13} INPUT Kermit-32> CLEAR OUTPUT SERVER\13 ; Put Kermit-32 in server mode CLEAR ; :FTPMENU2 ECHO {\27[2J \27[4mVAX <--> PC File Transfer Setup\27[m\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mG\27[m = Get a file from the VAX\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mS\27[m = Send a file to the VAX\13\10} ECHO { \27[1mX\27[m = Exit to previous menu.\13\10} :FTPFUNC ASK \%z {Which function? \27[K} IF NOT DEFINED \%z GOTO FTPFUNC IF EQUAL \%z X GOTO FTPEXIT IF EQUAL \%z G GOTO FTPNAME IF EQUAL \%z S GOTO FTPNAME ECHO \27[1mInvalid response.\27[m Choose one of \27[1\{59}5mG, S, \27[mor \27[1\{59}5mX\27[m.\13 PAUSE 3 ; Give user time to read ECHO \13\27[1A\27[K\27[2A ; Erase the message GOTO FTPFUNC ; :FTPNAME ASK \%y {Name of file: } IF NOT DEFINED \%y GOTO FTPNAME IF EQUAL \%z G GET \%y IF EQUAL \%z S SEND \%y PAUSE 1 ; Give user a chance to read ; any error messages GOTO FTPMENU2 ; :FTPEXIT FINISH ; Exit Kermit-32 Server mode OUTPUT EXIT\13 ; Exit Kermit-32 GOTO FTPMENU1 ; and go to first menu -- gordon@torrie.org Gord Torrie From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 14:56:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:42:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 11:42:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!steffi.dircon.co.uk!usenet From: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Subject: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Date: 22 Apr 1995 15:56:58 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: steffi.dircon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Gnus(Ding) (Emacs for NeXTSTEP 4.05) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89518 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2568 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE when I try and run it. Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. Any clues? -- "Mary ate a little lamb and punk rock isn't dead" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 16:19:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:25:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:25:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!dircon!steffi.dircon.co.uk!usenet From: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Date: 22 Apr 1995 17:19:32 +0100 Organization: me organized? That's a joke! Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: steffi.dircon.co.uk In-Reply-To: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk's message of 22 Apr 1995 15:56:58 +0100 X-Newsreader: Gnus(Ding) (Emacs for NeXTSTEP 4.05) To: robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89546 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2569 writes: >I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading >to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says >Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE >when I try and run it. >Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. >Any clues? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Appears to have been a memory issue. If I startup up the palmtop without sysmngr it works.. Hope this useful for somebody. -- "Mary ate a little lamb and punk rock isn't dead" (PGP key: send email with Subject: request pgp key) From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 04:32:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21856 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:45:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18729 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 13:45:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Message-Id: <1995Apr22.103227.48266@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Apr 95 10:32:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89549 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2570 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , robert@steffi.dircon.co.uk (Robert Nicholson) writes: > I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading > to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says > > Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE > > when I try and run it. > > Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. --------- Drive F? Did the zip file uncompress properly (and you used the -d option to create subdirectories)? If it did then that's part of the binary/text question. How did the executables get on to your palmtop? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 06:22:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:09:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 15:09:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Defining functional keys Message-Id: <1995Apr22.122257.48276@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Apr 95 12:22:57 MDT References: <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 109 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n5307$jdd@kaie.va.ttu.ee>, uuno@sofia.va.ttu.ee (Uuno Vallner) writes: > We try to use KERMIT DOS as terminal. We have Novel and Unix > mixed network. We try access to OSF/1 via IPX using Softnet in OSF/1. > > We defined Kermit port bios3. It works perfectly. We need to use estonian > characters. We are resolved this problem too. But ... > > We use application in OSF/1 (text retrieval system trip), which needs > for operating Application keypad (7,8. 9 ..1,0 ...)and some functional keys. > But Kermit are using 7 as "home" > > Kermit interpreted non correct functional keys. After pressing f1, system > sends only ESC , after next f1 follows code and new ESC. Same effect is with > array keys. -------------- I think there is some confusion about DEC versus IBM PC keys. The relationship is detailed in distribution file MSVIBM.VT and also in the user's manual book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." The IBM PC numeric keypad keys are not necessarily related to the DEC KeyPad keys. Here is a cutout from my copy of msvibm.vt: 1. VT320/VT102/VT52/Heath-19 EMULATOR IN MS-DOS KERMIT IBM-PC, CODE SUMMARY VT320/VT102 keypads Heath-19 and VT52 Keypads IBM keys IBM Keys +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | PF1 | PF2 | PF3 | PF4 | | Blue | Red | Grey | up arrow | - Vendor | F1 | F2 | F3 | F4 | | F1 | F2 | F3 | up arrow | - Kermit +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 7 | 8 | 9 | - | | 7 | 8 | 9 |down arrow| | F5 | F6 | F7 | F8 | | F5 | F6 | F7 |down arrow| +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 4 | 5 | 6 | , | | 4 | 5 | 6 | rgt arrow| | F9 | F10 | SF1 | SF2 | | F9 | F10 | SF1 | rgt arrow| +------+------+------+------+ +------+------+-------+----------+ | 1 | 2 | 3 | E | | 1 | 2 | 3 |left arrow| | SF3 | SF4 | SF5 | n S| | SF3 | SF4 | SF5 |left arrow| +------+------+------+ t F| +------+------+-------+----------+ | 0------0 | . | e 6| | 0------0 | . | Enter | | SF7 | SF8 | r | | SF7 | SF8 | SF6 | +-------------+------+------+ +-------------+-------+----------+ SF1 means push Shift and F1 keys simultaneously --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Below, the acronyms CSI and SS3 stand for 8-bit control codes in an 8-bit environment or for their 7-bit equivalents "ESC [" and "ESC O", respectively. Command SET TERMINAL CONTROL {8-BIT | 7-BIT}, and an equivalent command from the host, determines the usage for output text; use of parity forces 7-bit mode. CSI is decimal 155, SS3 is decimal 143. Similarly, DCS is decimal 144 or ESC P and ST is decimal 156 or ESC \. APC is decimal 159 or ESC _. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Codes sent by DEC and Heath arrow keys Key Verb IBM VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Cursor Application Cursor or Application up uparr up CSI A SS3 A ESC A down dnarr down CSI B SS3 B ESC B right rtarr right CSI C SS3 C ESC C left lfarr left CSI D SS3 D ESC D Codes sent by DEC editing keys, not preassigned to keys. Key Verb VT320 mode VT102/VT52/H19 mode Find decFind CSI 1 ~ these keys Insert Here decInsert CSI 2 ~ send nothing Remove decRemove CSI 3 ~ Select decSelect CSI 4 ~ Prev Screen decPrev CSI 5 ~ Next Screen decNext CSI 6 ~ ~ is ASCII chart 7/14 Codes sent by DEC Numeric Keypad Key Verb IBM ANSI VT320/VT102 mode VT52/H19 mode key Numeric Application Numeric Application PF1/HF7/Blue Gold,pf1 F1 SS3 P SS3 P ESC P ESC P PF2/HF8/Red pf2 F2 SS3 Q SS3 Q ESC Q ESC Q PF3/HF9/Grey pf3 F3 SS3 R SS3 R ESC R ESC R PF4/HF1 pf4 F4 SS3 S SS3 S ESC S ESC S 0 kp0 SF7 0 SS3 p 0 ESC ? p 1 kp1 SF3 1 SS3 q 1 ESC ? q 2 kp2 SF4 2 SS3 r 2 ESC ? r 3 kp3 SF5 3 SS3 s 3 ESC ? s 4 kp4 F9 4 SS3 t 4 ESC ? t 5 kp5 F10 5 SS3 u 5 ESC ? u 6 kp6 SF1 6 SS3 v 6 ESC ? v 7 kp7 F5 7 SS3 w 7 ESC ? w 8 kp8 F6 8 SS3 x 8 ESC ? x 9 kp9 F7 9 SS3 y 9 ESC ? y comma (,) kpcoma SF2 , SS3 l , ESC ? l minus (-) kpminus F8 - SS3 m - ESC ? m period (.) kpdot SF8 . SS3 n . ESC ? n Enter kpenter SF6 CR or SS3 M CR or ESC ? M CR LF (newline on) CR LF (SFn means hold down Shift key while pressing Function key n.) --------------- Please note that \Kkp0...\Kkp0 are placed on IBM PC function keys by default. You can redefine such things using Kermit command SET KEY, as discussed in depth in "Using MS-DOS Kermit." I don't quite understand why you are using SET PORT BIOS3. Do you have some Int 14h interceptor present to route traffic to the net? For real serial ports BIOS3 is terrible. If you are using Novell's ODI material then Kermit can operate as a native ODI client (using it's internal TCP/IP stack). This is discussed in the release notes. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 20:15:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 16:15:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 16:15:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using PgUp/PgDn in OS/2 CKermit Date: 22 Apr 1995 20:15:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nbo4j$1ul@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n2vfd$905@ehviec.ie.philips.nl>, C. Vissenberg wrote: > >I am using OS/2 C-Kermit 190 as a replacement for TELNET. >I don't want to use the PgUp, PgDn, Home and End keys for >terminal scrolling. I want the right sequences to be sent >to my hostcomputer. >How do I do this? SET KEY look at ckovtk2.ini for examples. also, read the docs. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko190.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 02:09:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:42:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 22 Apr 1995 22:42:38 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.dcom.modems,comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pagesat.net!news.erinet.com!netcom.com!puma From: puma@netcom.com (puma) Subject: Re: msvibm.zip on Columbia not working on my palmtop (HP200LX) Message-Id: Organization: organized?? me? References: Date: Sun, 23 Apr 1995 02:09:49 GMT Lines: 22 Sender: puma@netcom20.netcom.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.dcom.modems:89599 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2573 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Robert Nicholson wrote: >I've made sure that I'm using binary mode for both ftp and uploading >to the palmtop but the kermit.exe in msvibm.zip from Columbia says > >Cannot execute F:\KERMIT.EXE > >when I try and run it. > >Curiously enough both kerlite and kermite report the same error. If the ZIP file unzipped correctly, without errors (and obviously it did) then the problem was not with the original download, it must lie elsewhere. Did you unpack the zip file on the palmtop, or somewhere else and then move the .exe files? If you moved just the .exe files, I would guess that part of the process is where the problem lies. -- puma@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 03:32:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 01:03:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 01:03:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!southwind.net!onyx!css From: css@onyx.southwind.net (CSS Group LLC (Dan Bernstein)) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit ftp sites? -- please help Date: 23 Apr 1995 03:32:30 GMT Organization: SouthWind Internet Access, Inc. Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3nchoe$g6r@onyx.southwind.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: onyx.southwind.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I obtain a copy (source code) of C-Kermit for Solaris 2.x? Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. -- Daniel J. Bernstein ------------------------------------ Computer Science Services Group, LLC css@southwind.net Obligatory quote: "There are two types of people in this world, those with loaded guns, and those who dig. You dig." The Good (to The Ugly) From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 13:28:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 09:37:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 09:37:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 23 Apr 1995 07:28:59 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mskermit with hebrew macro, and vt220, seems to prevent the lynx (www reader) from working properly, since it requires arrow keys. (neither cursor mode nor application mode helps) has *anyone* been able to get their arrow keys to work properly with lynx and this combo?? (i got no answer to my last posting on this subject) thanks, gideon From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 18:29:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:39:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 16:39:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!bnr.co.uk!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Date: 23 Apr 1995 18:29:05 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA wrote: > > Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts > when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. > This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some > commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control > parity, etc.... and nothing worked. > > The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually > do a telnet. > > Any help is appreciated. > > Brad I've read about "set handshake" in the book "using ms-dos kermit" and on page 57 it tells me what ^Q is.But when i try to change it to XON , XOFF ,CR or to the equivalent code I alway end up having "HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: 36" If I say "SET HANDSHAKE XON" should I not see "SET HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: XON" when i do "SHOW COM" or am I doing something seriously wrong here. Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 19:38:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:12:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:12:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!lantana.singnet.com.sg!merlion.singnet.com.sg!raffles.technet.sg!news.np.ac.sg!93202707 From: 93202707@np.ac.sg (Loke Teng Yan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(191): When will Beta end? Date: 20 Apr 1995 19:38:28 GMT Organization: Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Singapore Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3n6d7k$jok@nova.np.ac.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: comet.np.ac.sg Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm now using 5A(190) of C-Kermit, and am undecided as to whether I should try out the new beta or to wait for the official full release of the next version. Can someone provide dates? Thanks. -- Teng Yan, Loke aka Cow | Electronic & Computer Engineering Internet: 93202707@np.ac.sg | Ngee Ann Polytechnic, Republic of Singapore http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?yan_page.html | Quake! ____________________________________________________________________________ From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 10:13:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:56:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 19:56:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why do I get ^Q's when I execute my scripts? Message-Id: <1995Apr23.161338.48371@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Apr 95 16:13:38 MDT References: <3n6gmd$3m0@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 44 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ne69h$oqq@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > BPICK@CISTI.LAN.NRC.CA wrote: >> >> Using ms-dos kermit 3.14 I receive back ^Q's throughout scripts >> when telneting to various hosts, in this case an IBM mainframe. >> This seems to happen when my script pauses after issuing some >> commands. I've played around with the obvious choices of flow control >> parity, etc.... and nothing worked. >> >> The strange part is that I do not get any ^Q's back when I manually >> do a telnet. >> >> Any help is appreciated. >> >> Brad > > > I've read about "set handshake" in the book "using ms-dos kermit" and > on page 57 it tells me what ^Q is.But when i try to change it to > XON , XOFF ,CR or to the equivalent code I alway end up having > "HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: 36" If I say "SET HANDSHAKE XON" should I not > see "SET HANDSHAKE CHARACTER: XON" when i do "SHOW COM" or am I doing > something seriously wrong here. > > Thanks > Brad ------------ Handshake and flow control are different animals. HANDSHAKE is for logical half duplex control exchange ("your turn to talk") and is encountered almost entirely with IBM mainframe frontends these days. The frontend sends a Control-Q to say "go ahead". Flow control can use Control-S/-Q, and will interact badly with the half duplex scheme above (and should never be used with it). Control-S/-Q is for full duplex channels, and it flows in the opposite direction as the data it is trying to regular, and at the same time. This paragraph is for readers who may confuse the two uses. Now in your situation we have an IBM mainframe frontend sending the HANDSHAKE Control-Q, and it is entirely up to it which code it will use (it's not a Kermit protocol negotiation item). MSK will recognize the incoming Control-Q during Kermit packet exchanges, but not otherwise. I think your solution is to put the IBM frontend into VT100 emulation mode, full duplex style. IBM mainframe experts can chime in here with the proper terminology. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 01:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:46:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:46:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 24 Apr 1995 01:46:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3nevua$f0b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu>, Gideon Weisz wrote: >mskermit with hebrew macro, and vt220, seems to prevent the lynx >(www reader) from working properly, since it requires arrow keys. >(neither cursor mode nor application mode helps) >has *anyone* been able to get their arrow keys to work properly >with lynx and this combo?? >(i got no answer to my last posting on this subject) >thanks, gideon ------------------------ I think there is a conspiracy between News agents that causes your message to appear as a header-only at my place, twice now. Darned computers. So I'm trying again via Columbia Univ. Well, let's pull apart the problem. First, the arrow keys do work ok in MSK. But there are two of each: on the numeric keypad and on the small "T", and they can be different. To see what each does use command SHOW KEY and press an interesting key at the resulting prompt. A typical arrow keyboard verb would be \Klfarr for left arrow. The numeric keypad sends numbers if NumLock is on, naturally enough. You can redefine what a key sends via the SET KEY command. Second, my guess is the remote (it is remote, right?) Lynx program is thinking of one kind of terminal and Kermit is behaving as another kind. We have no idea of what that Lynx program is thinking, nor even what kind of host it's running on. So, it's up to you to diagnose that part. Be sure it thinks it is talking to a DEC VTxxx terminal of the same kind that MSK is emulating. If necessary ask the system administrator of the remote system what kind of terminal Lynx is using and how it can be modified to match Kermit (and DEC terminals). Third, we must be careful about high-bit-set bytes traversing the wire. Some systems chop the bit without telling us, and that makes a mess of what's sent for many cases (arrow keys included). If the high bit is chopped somewhere and Kermit is not told about it then use Kermit command SET PARITY SPACE to inform MSK that there isn't a high bit today. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 20 16:30:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:53:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 23 Apr 1995 21:53:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsgate.advantis.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: hecht@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: telnet 3270 Date: 20 Apr 1995 16:30:14 GMT Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3n626m$fia@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hecht@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip38-14.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu how do you get ckermit 190 for os/2 (or the new beta) to emulate a telnet 3270 session... it seems to only do standard telnet thanks in advance gerry hecht hecht@ibm.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 23 17:26:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:11:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!newsfeed.ACO.net!Austria.EU.net!EU.net!Germany.EU.net!zib-berlin.de!zrz.TU-Berlin.DE!fu-berlin.de!cs.tu-berlin.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 Binary file transfer after LYNX retrieval PROBLEM Date: 23 Apr 1995 17:26:05 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3ne2jd$o4p@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3mf4qv$jj@lester.appstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu JW2998@CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU (Watson, John McClain ) writes: > Hello. I am having trouble downloading binary files using Kermit >*after* I retrieved the file using LYNX. I watch the file type status as >the transfer begins and, although it starts out as binary, it quickly >changes to a text transfer. I have checked and double-checked Kermit >several time and have done everything I know. Does anyone have any >suggestions? Thanks. Joe and Frank responded to this question already, explaining how to set binary mode at both sides' Kermit. However, there remains the question of how to configure *LYNX*, since when running Kermit as a downloader function from within Lynx, the user would never see the C-Kermit prompt. The definitions of Lynx-download methods are within the lynx.cfg file, usually found in /usr/local/bin. One can use one's own copy of this configuration file which is then invoked by entering lynx -cfg=FILENAME (with FILENAME being your personal lynx.cfg). The following definitions contained in my lynx.cfg work fine for me (require C-Kermit 5A(189) or higher): DOWNLOADER:Kermit, binary: kermit -i -C "pcsend %s %s, ex":TRUE DOWNLOADER:Kermit, text: kermit -C "pcsend %s %s, ex":TRUE With MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14, and SET TERMINAL APC ON, they provide auto-downloading. Peter S. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 22 13:03:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:59:03 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13620 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 05:59:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!uunet!munnari.oz.au!mel.dit.csiro.au!its.csiro.au!dmssyd.syd.dms.CSIRO.AU!metro!news.cs.su.oz.au!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 22 Apr 1995 22:33:01 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Gideon Weisz (gweisz@csn.net) wrote: : this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, : but i am stuck. : in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew macro) : the arrow keys do not work right. : to move among highlighted links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows : and to move among levels the left/right keys. : however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do you wish to send a comment" : if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command to download : down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last highlight) : how can i get out of this cleftstick? : thanks, gideon lynx with MS-Kermit 3.14 and vt220 with the vt300.ini macro works fine for me. Does lynx work correctly for you with the vt300.ini macro? -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 14:22:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:22:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 10:22:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 24 Apr 1995 14:22:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 77 Message-Id: <3ngc7f$ejh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net>, Gideon Weisz wrote: > this has to be a VEry simple problem, so apologies in advance, but i am > stuck. in www, using lynx, with mskermit 3.14 and vt220 (and hebrew > macro) the arrow keys do not work right. to move among highlighted > links, one is supposed to use the up/down arrows and to move among > levels the left/right keys. however, if i use right-arrow, i get "do > you wish to send a comment" if i use left-arrow it is taken as a command > to download down-arrow moves me up! (up the screen to the last > highlight) how can i get out of this cleftstick? > Kermit is emulating a real VT220 terminal. The VT220 cursor (arrow) keypad can be in one of two modes: cursor mode and application mode. These keys send different escape sequences depending on which mode they are in. When a VT220 is turned on (and when Kermit is started), the arrow keys are in cursor mode. By default (that is, unless you give SET KEY commands to change things), MS-DOS Kermit uses the IBM keyboard arrow keys as the VT220 arrow keys. Each arrow key has a "verb" assigned to it: Up arrow \Kuparr Down arrow \Kdnarr Right arrow \Krtarr Left arrow \Klfarr These verbs track the cursor keypad mode automatically, and send the following escape sequences: Cursor Mode Application Mode \Kuparr CSI A SS3 A \Kdnarr CSI B SS3 B \Krtarr CSI C SS3 C \Klfarr CSI D SS3 D where CSI is ESC followed by left bracket ([) on a 7-bit connection or decimal 155 on an 8-bit connection, and SS3 is ESC followed by O (uppercase letter O) on a 7-bit connection and decimal 143 on an 8-bit connection. How does the cursor keypad mode change? The host can change it by sending special escape sequences, or you can change it yourself by using the command: SET TERMINAL ARROW-KEYS { CURSOR, APPLICATION } So why do the arrow keys not work in Lynx? Or, in general, in any particular application: 1. Because the application expects the keypad to be in one mode when it is in the other mode. This is a deficiency on the part of the application. Applications should never ASSUME which mode the cursor keypad is in, but rather, they should PUT the keypad in the desired mode, or else they should accept arrow-key codes from either mode. Workaround: tell Kermit to SET TERM ARROW CURSOR (or APPLICATION). 2. Because of a terminal-type mismatch. Lynx, in particular, does not seem to use the standard termcap/terminfo database, and so therefore might not understand Kermit's VT220 or VT320 terminal type. Solution: tell Kermit to SET TERM TYPE VT100 and also tell the host your terminal type is VT100, before starting Lynx. 3. Because of a character-size mismatch. If you have been using a VMS-based VT220 or VT320 fullscreen application (such as ALEPH, EVE, etc), you might find that your arrow keys are sending 8-bit codes rather than 7-bit codes, and then when switching to another application like Lynx, the new application might not understand the 8-bit codes. Again, this is a deficiency of the application. Workaround: tell Kermit to SET TERM CONTROLS 7. I put MS-DOS Kermit into Hebrew mode, accessed the ALEPH software, tried the arrow keys and they worked OK. Then I left ALEPH and started Lynx and got the same symptoms you reported. The three steps above fixed the problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 16:45:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09052 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:47:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:45:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit <--> VMS Kermit ? Date: 24 Apr 1995 16:45:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3ngkj3$1aa@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <95109.135856HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Gordon Torrie wrote: >H. D. Knoble writes: >| ... >| The solution is to use C-Kermit for VMS. > >No it is not. While C-Kermit undoubtedly has advantages over Kermit-32, >Kermit-32 is not the problem. The solution is to create a Kermit script >that MS-Kermit then runs. > Kermit-32 can still be used, but use it at your own risk. It is no longer supported, and if there are problems with it -- functional problems or performance problems -- there is nobody to fix it or improve it. It does not go as fast as C-Kermit, it does not have as many features. And C-Kermit, unlike Kermit-32, *is* supported. Thus we recommend people use it instead of Kermit-32. So... "a" solution is to use C-Kermit. Another would be to give some special commands to MS-DOS Kermit and/or Kermit-32, but you do not necessarily have to write a long script in order to accomplish this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 16:52:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:52:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 12:52:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: No ack errors - any suggestions? Date: 24 Apr 1995 16:52:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3ngl0p$28n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n8bdr$34o@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, bott david m jr wrote: : I am using a USR Sportster 14.4 modem connecting to a modem bank at the : University of Illinois, U-C. I've been uploading uuencoded files for : mailing using CrossTalk for Windows' Kermit Protocol with the following : settings: : : Filetype: text : Checksum: single : Timing: tight : Sliding Window: 2 : Max Packet length: 1024 : : and my .kermrc on the Unix account is: : : block 3 : window-size 2 : send packet-length 1024 : receive packet-length 1024 : file collision overwrite : I assume that the real .kermrc file has "set" in front of each of these lines? : I am constantly getting "no ack" errors (the only kind) and they slow : down the transfer considerably on uploads (I can use the less robust : zmodem transfer on downloads and achieve really high transfer rates). : : Is there anything I can do to reduce the "no ack" errors or is this : a function of the hardware and mainframe "busy-ness?" : Who knows. If you were using MS-DOS Kermit on your PC, we could help, and of course we recommend you do so. : I realize this is ALMOST a non-kermit question, but KERMIT is the only : protocol that allows even 1000-1100 bps transfer rates. All others : fail to upload (but they download OK). : Maybe MS-DOS Kermit would not have any problem on this connection. If it did, then we'd begin by asking you lots of questions about your connection -- speed, flow control, etc. What's on the far end? A terminal server? Which kind of terminal server? And what is the host? Running which OS and version? And which version of C-Kermit? Do the errors happen as soon as you start uploading the file, or do they happen at some point well within the transfer? In other words, are we seeing 8-bit transparency problems or do we have buffering / flow- control problems? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 19:45:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01562 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:18:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:18:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!..Optimum EXE trnsf setting & using .ksd file Date: 24 Apr 1995 19:45:21 GMT Organization: McHugh Freeman Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Any hint/help on the following Q's wouls be greatly appreciated. 1) EXE file transfer between VAX sustems on a 9600 baud noisy phone line using C-Kermit 5A(190): Settings tried so far: win = 1 - 30 block = 2 - 3 time send/rec = 20 - 92 type = bin/image fixed speed = 9600 packet send/rec = 1000 - 5000 remote mode = server Result: Times out, too many retries or takes too long. Tried the recommended settings in "Truth about kermit..." did not get the efficiency obtained in the benchmarks..(maybe because they weren't run on a VAX m/c). 2) Error msg: Services directory not available. while trying to access XXXX from ckermit.ksd file of following format: XXXX vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 9,796-1087 Should I edit *.kdd too? 3) Would like to be able to use the arrow keys and map/code commands/macros as key functions. ex: 'F4' <==> atdt ########## etc. thanks a lot for u'r time, anil raman@stimpy.mfa.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 14:22:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:25:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 18:25:29 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!nntp.hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!apang From: apang@cs.ust.hk (Albert PANG) Subject: How To read/write Chinese at a remote host using UNIX C-Kermit Message-Id: <1995Apr24.142214.28377@uxmail.ust.hk> Sender: usenet@uxmail.ust.hk Nntp-Posting-Host: cssu81.cs.ust.hk Organization: The Hong Kong University of Science and Technology X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 14:22:14 GMT Lines: 84 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How to read/write Chinese at a remote host using UNIX C-Kermit ============================================================== Software required: ----------------- 1) cxterm 2) kermit 'cxterm' is available at anonymous ftp ftp://cs.purdue.edu:/pub/ygz/cxterm-??.??.??.tar.Z Linuxers can also get a binary version on Linux at ftp://sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/xutils/terms/cxterm-??.tar.gz C-Kermit 5A for your version of UNIX is available from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku190.tar.{Z,gz} Setup procedure: ---------------- 1. Make sure you have cxterm properly installed and can display/write Chinese characters in your local host. To get cxterm properly installed, the FAQ for cxterm, which is available at anonymous ftp: cs.purdue.edu:/pub/ygz/CXTERM.FAQ will be helpful. There are currently a few encoding methods for Chinese characters. They are Big5, GB and HZ. In HK and Taiwan, Big5 is more popular and in Mainland China, GB and HZ are more popular. 'cxterm' can be configured to support all of them. Anyway, this will not be relevant to kermit, as long as they are 8-bit code. 'cxterm' configured to a particular encoding will recognize that encoding only. 2. Open a cxterm and run kermit. 3. Configure kermit. Before you connect your modem to kermit, you need some parameter settings: set parity none set command bytesize 8 set terminal bytesize 8 set terminal character-set transparent Then connect as usual and log in to your remote host. 4. At your remote host, set the terminal to allow 8-bit character by UNIX-Prompt> stty pass8 This example works on SunOS, but the syntax might differ for other UNIX systems, for example "stty cs8" or "stty -parity". On non-UNIX systems use the appropriate command (like "set terminal /eightbit" on VMS). If you don't do this, you can still read Chinese, but you can't type, since your terminal will truncate the highest bit of your code. (unless of course, your terminal has already been configured) You might like to include the above line in your shell rc script, so that you won't have to type it in every time you log in. 5. Voila! You should now be able to read/write Chinese in your cxterm. Go get a cup of tea or something and try read some Chinese newsgroups. alt.chinese.txt.big5 alt.chinese.txt tw.bbs.talk.joke Make sure you have the right kind of cxterm. cxterm configured to read Big5 will not recognize a passage written in GB, and vice versa. And for information about how to read/write Chinese using MS-DOS Kermit, see "Circumnavigating the Web" in Kermit News #6: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/e/newsn6.{txt,ps} http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 23:28:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05527 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:28:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 19:28:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP!..Optimum EXE trnsf setting & using .ksd file Date: 24 Apr 1995 23:28:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 75 Message-Id: <3nhc7h$h2b@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ngv4i$fn9@homer.alpha.net>, Anil Raman wrote: >1) EXE file transfer between VAX sustems on a 9600 baud noisy phone line > using C-Kermit 5A(190): > >Settings tried so far: > win = 1 - 30 > block = 2 - 3 > time send/rec = 20 - 92 > type = bin/image fixed > speed = 9600 > packet send/rec = 1000 - 5000 > remote mode = server > >Result: Times out, too many retries or takes too long. > Tried the recommended settings in "Truth about kermit..." did not get the > efficiency obtained in the benchmarks..(maybe because they weren't run on > a VAX m/c). > You are on the right track, but it simply can't be emphasized enough: EVERY CONNECTION HAS ITS OWN CHARACTERISTICS or: NO TWO CONNECTIONS HAVE THE SAME OPTIMUM SETTINGS If I really, really wanted to find the absolute optimum settings for a particular connection, I would perform a two-dimensional binary search on a matrix of window size vs packet size -- a time-consuming process. And then, having obtained the optimum window/packet combination, I'd add in control-character unprefixing -- but, again, homing in on the largest set of control character that can be unprefixed without causing trouble is a time-consuming process. The fact that you have a noisy connection, however, narrows down the possbilities -- you really don't want to use very long packets when the connection is noisy, because: . The longer a packet, the greater the chance it will be struck by noise. . The longer a packet, the longer it takes to retransmit. Also, since the line is noisy: . Use SET BLOCK 3. . Increase the retry limit if necessary. You will not get optimimum performance on a noisy line, no matter what protocol you use. >2) Error msg: Services directory not available. > while trying to access XXXX from ckermit.ksd file of following format: > > XXXX vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 9,796-1087 > > Should I edit *.kdd too? > No, that message simply means it can't find your CKERMIT.KSD file. It should go in your login directory. >3) Would like to be able to use the arrow keys and map/code commands/macros > as key functions. > ex: 'F4' <==> atdt ########## etc. > What version of Kermit are you talking about? On what computer? Is this VMS again? If so, the answer is, sorry, no, you can't access F-keys from C-Kermit's SET KEY command. The operating system hides them from Kermit. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit, the answer is yes -- use SET KEY for this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 23:38:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:42:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 24 Apr 1995 22:42:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: hecht@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-KERMIT for OS/2 Date: 24 Apr 1995 23:38:00 GMT Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3nhcoo$c15@news-s01.ca.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: hecht@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip36-88.il.us.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been trying out the various beta versions of the C-KERMIT 191 for OS/2 and love it! There was a notice on Thursday or Friday that the beta test was over and that there would be an announcement today about the production version. Is there going to be a delay? Where can I get more info? Thanks in advance Gerry Hecht From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 21:37:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:12:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 01:12:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!gw2.att.com!oucsboss!snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu!undetermined From: snavelym@oumail1.email.ohiou.edu (Mike Snavely) Subject: Keyboard initiated macro X-Nntp-Posting-Host: snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu Message-Id: Sender: postmaster@snavely-pc.cns.ohiou.edu X-Nntp-Posting-Date: Mon Apr 24 17:37:36 1995 Reply-To: snavelym@oumail1.email.ohiou.edu Organization: Ohio University X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:37:38 GMT Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, This question relates to a MS-Kermit trick that used to work for us with version 3.10 and 3.11, but stopped working when commands were obsoleted in version 3.12 or 3.13. Here's what I used to do, and it worked rather nicely. I have two different keyboard mappings we use with MS-Kermit. One is an IBM mainframe mapping, another is a DEC VAX mapping. I used to program MS-Kermit, such that CTRL-F1 would serve as a toggle. If I pressed it once, it would toggle from IBM to DEC, if I pressed it again, it would toggle back from DEC to IBM. I did that with the use of the pre-defined TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros. See code below. Excerpt from MSKERMIT.INI file: assign \%i ibm.set assign \%v dec.set assign \%p keymap.ini def terminalr take \%v,- echo Keyboard switched to DEC settings \13,- pause 2, connect def terminals take \%i,- echo Keyboard switched to IBM settings \13,- pause 2, connect def product take \%p, connect Furthermore, the KEYMAP.INI file allowed host-triggered ESCAPE sequences to perform the keyboard mapping swap on login and logout from the VAX. Each of the keyboard mapping files then had a definition for CTRL-F1 that pointed to the appropriate macro. IBM.SET had the following line... set key \1374 \Kterminalr ; CTRL-F1 = Swap to DEC settings DEC.SET had the following line... set key \1374 \Kterminals ; CTRL-F1 = Switch to IBM settings ---- Terminalr and Terminals are no longer supported. I have tried a number of possible solutions and have yet to be completely satisfied. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks in advance. /Mike From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 10:43:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:00:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 08:00:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 25 Apr 1995 04:43:00 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3nijnk$hlo@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu it does not, at this point i am in the process of trying out joe doupnik's suggestions (see) gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 13:02:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09828 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:02:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 09:02:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Keyboard initiated macro Date: 25 Apr 1995 13:02:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 67 Message-Id: <3nirss$lt7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mike Snavely wrote: : This question relates to a MS-Kermit trick that used to work for us : with version 3.10 and 3.11, but stopped working when commands were : obsoleted in version 3.12 or 3.13. : : Here's what I used to do, and it worked rather nicely. I have two : different keyboard mappings we use with MS-Kermit. One is an IBM : mainframe mapping, another is a DEC VAX mapping. I used to program : MS-Kermit, such that CTRL-F1 would serve as a toggle. If I pressed : it once, it would toggle from IBM to DEC, if I pressed it again, it : would toggle back from DEC to IBM. I did that with the use of the : pre-defined TERMINALR and TERMINALS macros. See code below. : : Excerpt from MSKERMIT.INI file: : : assign \%i ibm.set : assign \%v dec.set : assign \%p keymap.ini : def terminalr take \%v,- : echo Keyboard switched to DEC settings \13,- : pause 2, connect : def terminals take \%i,- : echo Keyboard switched to IBM settings \13,- : pause 2, connect : def product take \%p, connect : This should still work. TERMINALR and TERMINALS can still be used as macro names, but there is now nothing special about them, and they are no longer tied to an escape sequence. The PRODUCT macro and associated escape sequence should still work as described in "Using MS-DOS Kermit". : Furthermore, the KEYMAP.INI file allowed host-triggered ESCAPE sequences : to perform the keyboard mapping swap on login and logout from the VAX. : As described at length in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit, the escape sequence that was used for this purpose suddenly popped up in DEC software (e.g. DECnotes, DECforms, etc), so we could not use it any more. Rather than "invent" another new escape sequence for this purpose, only to have it usurpred again, and then repeat the process indefinitely, we chose a new path: use an escape sequence that is already defined for the VT320, called Application Program Command (APC). It works differently from the old TERMINALR/S method, however. Instead of requiring each user to have these macros defined, it allows the host application to control everything, even when MS-DOS Kermit is running "bare". From a management standpoint, this is a lot better, right? Procedures are defined (and fixed, if needed) in one place rather than hundreds, etc. : Each of the keyboard mapping files then had a definition for CTRL-F1 : that pointed to the appropriate macro. : : IBM.SET had the following line... : set key \1374 \Kterminalr ; CTRL-F1 = Swap to DEC settings : : DEC.SET had the following line... : set key \1374 \Kterminals ; CTRL-F1 = Switch to IBM settings : : Terminalr and Terminals are no longer supported. I have tried a number : of possible solutions and have yet to be completely satisfied. : Anybody have any suggestions? : Read the section on APC in KERMIT.UPD (section 10 for version 3.14). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 11:37:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:00:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:00:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: arrow keys and www? Date: 25 Apr 1995 05:37:53 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3nimuh$khj@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3n2s56$rb4@news-2.csn.net> <3nauq5$i75@gateway.dircsa.org.au> <3nijnk$hlo@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu update: i have just had a lynx session in which everything worked just fine! over many previous trials, this has never happened, as far as i can remember, or rather not with kermit. i have done nothing different, so i suspect something has been reconfigured at the unix node, but, just in case, i now have joe doupnik's suggestions to try, if i have problems in the future. thanks to all, gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 11:43:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 10:01:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!mnemosyne.cs.du.edu!nyx10.cs.du.edu!not-for-mail From: gweisz@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Gideon Weisz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14+hebrew bug? or lynx limitn? Date: 25 Apr 1995 05:43:34 -0600 Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept. Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3nin96$on9@nyx10.cs.du.edu> References: <3ndkmr$o4v@nyx10.cs.du.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nyx10.cs.du.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu suddenly, everything works: more than one lynx session, the arrow keys work perfectly, and i have done nothing to account for this. presumably something has been reconfigured at the remote unix node. to my knowledge, the arrow keys have never worked properly with kermit and lynx, at either of my full internet access providers, before now... in case of future trouble, i am now armed with joe doupnik's suggestions. many thanks! gideon From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 16:55:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 14:54:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Les Wilson <100271.326@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit in Batch Mode Date: 25 Apr 1995 16:55:03 GMT Organization: 3C Communications Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on VAXes using VMS 5.4-2 and use the VAX C Compiler version V3.0-031 and AXP2100 using OpenVMS v.6 and DecC 4.0 When I try to run kermit in a submitted job, it simply fails. The message I get in the log is : %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! I have borrowed another VMS version that works. So I suspect a compilation problem. I did recompiled the code. No effect. Is there anyone who could give me a clue ? Renny From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 19:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:14:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:14:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit in Batch Mode Date: 25 Apr 1995 19:14:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3njhn3$p0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nj9h7$7qp$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Les Wilson <100271.326@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > I'm working on VAXes using VMS 5.4-2 and use the VAX C Compiler >version V3.0-031 and AXP2100 using OpenVMS v.6 and DecC 4.0 > > When I try to run kermit in a submitted job, it simply fails. >The message I get in the log is : > %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! > When reporting problems with Kermit software, it is always a good idea to be specific about the version number. The inability of C-Kermit to run in batch was fixed in version 5A(190), released last October. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, text mode, get the file ckvaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 19:41:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03978 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 15:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!cmg From: cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Announcing OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) Date: 25 Apr 1995 19:41:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 311 Message-Id: <3njj9t$3s6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2597 comp.os.os2.apps:79482 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:26670 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is to announce the release of OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). If you have a Web browser, you are encouraged to read this notice in hypertext format on the Web at the following URL, because there is a lot more information in it (hypertext links): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html If you are already familiar with OS/2 C-Kermit, feel free to skip past the following fifty lines (about two 24-line screens). OS/2 C-Kermit is Columbia University's full-function native communication software package for OS/2 that works uniformly over: . Serial connections, direct or dialed, all speeds. . TCP/IP network connections, including SLIP. . DECnet PATHWORKS LAT connections. . LAN and/or interprocess connections such as NETBIOS and Named Pipes. . Asynchronous communication servers. Offering: . Faithful ANSI, VT220, VT102, VT100, and VT52 terminal emulations with all the expected add-ons -- rollback, key mapping, color control, printer control, Compose key, screen & session capture, etc. . A complete implementation of the Kermit file transfer protocol, including all the most advanced features for highest performance, the new recovery capability, as well as auto-uplodad and -download. . A powerful and portable script programming language. . A large repertoire of character-set translations. . Dialing and services directories. . Easy access to external protocols (e.g. P.EXE for X/Y/Zmodem). And lots of OS/2-specific features, including: . Advanced user-customizable mouse operations. . Full compatibility with the OS/2 PM Clipboard. . Use of OS/2 System Sounds during command and terminal modes. . Work Place Shell integration through program objects. . Alternative REXX macro programming extensions. . Full support for HPFS and Extended Attributes during file transfers. . SLIPTERM compatibility. . Integration with IBM WebExplorer. . The ability to transfer entire directory trees from one OS/2 system to another, with all file attributes preserved. . Multiple threads for efficient task scheduling and low CPU load. . Fast semaphores for intraprocess communication. With its wide range of features and communication methods, OS/2 C-Kermit is ideally suited to OS/2 users who: . Want to communicate with a diverse assortment of hosts and services. . Want to use the same application for serial and network connections, e.g. for home and office use. . Want a better TELNET (with rollback, key mapping, colors, scripting). . Want a TELNET that can also transfer files. . Want to communicate in languages other than English. . Want to write script programs that are portable to many platforms. Space does not permit listing all the features of previous versions of OS/2 C-Kermit, but if you want to know more, feel free to visit our Web site starting at URL: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/os2.html The rest of this announcement is pretty much a repetition of the Beta Test announcement. Except that the following features were added during the Beta test: . ISO 2022 character-set designation and invocation in VT220 emulation. . Protected fields in VT220 emulation. . New MOVE and MMOVE commands for "moving" files. . Host-initiated autoprint now supported (separate from transparent print). C-Kermit Version 5A(191) is a brand-new 32-bit release for OS/2 2.00 and later, including Warp. It adds the following major new features: . Dramatic speed improvements . Sizeable terminal screens. . New and improved mouse functions. . Improved TELNET client functions. . Incoming TCP/IP connections. . SLIP dialing. . Cyrillic (Russian) terminal emulation. . Soft fonts for Hebrew, Cyrillic, and East European terminal emulation. . The new features that were added during the Beta test, listed just above. . Numerous fixes. And many lesser ones. In more detail: SPEED IMPROVEMENTS CONNECT mode -- terminal emulation -- is now incredibly snappy on both serial and network connections, in both window and fullscreen sessions. C-Kermit 5A(191) processes incoming data in parallel with screen updating. Furthermore, the screen is now updated far more efficiently than before. To give an idea of the speed improvement, we used a ripple-test benchmark that scrolls 1000 80-column lines of text, obtaining the following display timings for various TELNET clients attached to a 10 Mb/sec Ethernet network running on the same PC in a fullscreen session: C-Kermit 5A(190) 24 sec IBM Telnet 22 sec (TCP/IP 1.2.1) MS-DOS Kermit 12 sec (v3.14 under DOS, not under OS/2) C-Kermit 5A(191) 5 sec In an OS/2 window, the same test takes only 7 seconds, compared to 55 seconds in the previous release -- about an 800% improvement. The new display management model has also been used to accomplish several other astounding feats: . Terminal sessions remain active behind popup help screens. . Incoming material is processed even when screen is rolled back. . Copy-and-paste can span multiple screens (more about this below). Meanwhile, serial port handling is now far more efficient, putting less load on the CPU, allowing serial-port intput/output to take place at high speeds without seriously impacting the rest of the system. SIZEABLE TERMINAL SCREENS You asked for VT100 132-column mode, now you've got it and a lot more too. In Warp window sessions, C-Kermit now supports any combination of screen height and width, up to 255 columns and 254 rows with a maximum screen area of 8192 characters. In fullscreen sessions the terminal screen can now use 40, 80, or 132 columns and 24, 42, 49, or 59 rows. Not all combinations are supported by all video hardware. Warp is not required. Host-directed screen-width switching in VT100, VT102, and VT220 emulation is now implemented for 80-column and 132-column modes when the video adapter supports it. Screen dimensions are automatically reported to the host on TELNET connections if the TELNET server supports (and uses) the "NAWS" option. SOFT FONTS C-Kermit 5A knows a lot of character sets and translates between any pair of them. But in OS/2, we have another problem: how to see the right characters on the screen. For example, in version 5A(190) we added support for Hebrew terminal emulation, which works very nicely if you happen to have a Hebrew version of OS/2 (which you can only get in Israel), but is useless otherwise -- e.g. to Hebrew and Yiddish scholars in the USA, because, until now there was no way to get a Hebrew code page onto a US version of OS/2. The new version of OS/2 C-Kermit comes with the following soft fonts that you can load in a fullscreen session, for use in the terminal window: CP437 - Original PC code page CP850 - "Multilingual" (West Europe) code page CP852 - East Europe Roman Alphabet code page (for Czech, Polish, etc) CP862 - Hebrew code page CP866 - Cyrillic (Russian, Belorussian, and Ukrainian) code page So now, no matter what OS/2 National Language version you have, you can use OS/2 C-Kermit to conduct terminal sessions in at least the following languages: Albanian, Belorussian, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Faeroese, Finnish, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Icelandic, Irish, Italian, Ladino, Latin, Macedonian, Norwegian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish, Swedish, Swiss, Ukrainian, and Yiddish. Thanks to Joseph (Yossi (Yogi)) Gil at the Technion in Haifa, Israel, for furnishing these public-domain fonts. CYRILLIC TERMINAL EMULATION OK, we added a Cyrillic font, so now you can read those Russian newsgroups and Web pages. But if you don't have a Russian (or Ukrainian, or Belorussian) keyboard, how do you TYPE Russian characters? The new C-Kermit release adds a Russian keyboard mode that includes: . The Microsoft Russian DOS keyboard layout. . Hot-key switching between Russian and English modes. . Automatic translation to the host character-set (KOI, ISO, etc). This is in addition to the keyboard methods that were already available in earlier releases: . A Compose key for Latin-1-like character sets (for Western European languages like Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, German, French, etc). . A Hebrew keyboard mode for Hebrew and Yiddish. THE MOUSE AND MARK MODE Copy-and-paste capability, as well as mouse-directed terminal cursor steering, were introduced in the previous release. In version 5A(191): . Text selection can now span the entire virtual screen, scrollback buffer included. . You can reassign these functions to different mouse events. . You can assign them to keys. . You can assign keyboard verbs, macros, or text to mouse events. . Copy-and-paste works consistently between C-Kermit and other apps. To get a quick idea of the power of the new "mark mode": after installing the new version, starting it up, and accumulating a bunch of screens in the rollback buffer: . Hold down the left mouse button. . Drag the mouse towards the top of screen, watch text being selected. . Now drag it PAST the top of the screen -- watch what happens. . Push the Arrow, Page Up/Down, or Home/End keys while dragging. Any text that you select this way can be copied to the PM clipboard, printed on your printer, copied to a file, or pasted directly into your terminal session. TCP/IP IMPROVEMENTS TELNET connections are about 500% faster than before. Several TELNET protocol problems were fixed, most notably the ones relating to "firewalls". Connections are now attempted to multiple IP addresses when provided by the name server, until success is achieved. TELNET NAWS (Negotiate About Window Size) capability has been added. Incoming TCP/IP connections are now accepted -- you can TELNET to OS/2 C-Kermit on a pre-arranged socket and have a "chat" session or execute Kermit server functions. OS/2 C-Kermit can now dial your Warp IAK SLIP connections for you, using a special technique to "borrow" the serial port from the SLIP driver. This gives you a lot more flexibility than you get with SLIPTERM. There are new controls for TELNET NVT/binary mode and CRLF mapping, since these areas are so problematic with the proliferation of incompatible (and often confused) TELNET servers: SET TELNET { NVT, BINARY } NEWLINE-MODE { ON, OFF, RAW } SET TELNET BINARY-MODE { ACCEPTED, REFUSED, REQUESTED } SOCKS support added for TELNET'ing through firewalls. OS/2 C-Kermit gives you all the convenience features of a serial communications program integrated with its own internal TELNET protocol implementation. If you do a lot of TELNET'ing to diverse services, especially on non-TELNET ports, you'll begin to appreciate what this means. OTHER CHANGES ...include: . Improved context-sensitive help screens, status lines, and messages. . More key combinations are recognized for SET KEY. . System Sounds can now be used to differentiate "Information", "Warning", and "Error" events. . MOVE and MMOVE commands added = SEND and MSEND, then delete. . REMOTE RENAME and REMOTE COPY (both ends) added. . New and improved hypertext Updates documentation. . Various other new commands, bug fixes, cleanups, etc. NOTE: 5A(191) is an OS/2-only release of C-Kermit. Thanks to Jeff Altman for 99% of the work that went into this new release. DOCUMENTATION C-Kermit 5A is comprehensively and professionally documented in the book, "Using C-Kermit", supplemented by the hypertext CKERMIT.INF file, which covers recent additions up to and including edit 191. If you will be using OS/2 C-Kermit and you have not already purchased this book, please purchase it. It will answer your questions, it will show you how to get the most out of the software, and book sales are the primary source of funding for the Kermit effort. Ordering information for the book is included in the CKERMIT.INF file, which may be accessed from the C-Kermit> prompt with the UPDATES command. HOW TO GET IT OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) may be obtained from kermit.columbia.edu via anonymous ftp, directory kermit/archives, file cko191.zip. Transfer it in binary mode (every step of the way), unzip it on your OS/2 system into a spare directory, then run the INSTALL script. You may also order the new version on diskette from Columbia University. If you already have a copy of "Using C-Kermit", use the tear-out form in back to order the diskette only. If you don't have the book, then order the book+diskette package from us: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025-7721 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 Fax: +1 212 663-8202 Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Book only: US $36.95 (US, Canada, and Mexico), US $47 elsewhere. Book + OS/2 C-Kermit: US $45.00 (US, Canada, Mexico), $55 elsewhere. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or PREPAID by check in US dollars. Add US $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Inquire about quantity discounts. Please note that C-Kermit is copyrighted software, and it may not be redistributed by commercial enterprises (including makers of CD-ROMs) without written permission of the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution, Columbia University, at the address above. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 23:40:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:26:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 19:26:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 23:40:39 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stardust.jj.reshall.columbia.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Did anybody get this combination to work? Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this driver, at least under Win311. I got an error message when trying to load the driver. Can't figure out what went wrong. Jack Jack Huang jch25@columbia.edu http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 22:31:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10845 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:13:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 25 Apr 1995 21:13:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!earlham.edu!earlham.edu!nntp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> From: MARKP@earlham.edu (Mark H Pearson) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 1995 22:31:28 GMT Reply-To: markp@earlham.edu Organization: Earlham College Nntp-Posting-Host: painswick.cc.earlham.edu X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times already, but ... I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what the 'official' line on this is. It's my humble opinion that even though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 / VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. What are the sticky issues in porting Kermit into the Windows environment, apart from the obvious one that it sucketh and hath no development tools .... ? Thanks for any comments. Mark Pearson Earlham College Mark H Pearson Academic Computing Free Agent NoozeReader Earlham College, Richmond, IN 47374 Analog Voice Comms: (317) 983 1279 Analog Bitmap Comms: (317) 983 1253 Slogan-of-the-week: Windows 95 - the nightmare continues From news@columbia.edu Mon Apr 24 21:10:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:16:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27719 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 00:16:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!psinntp!bfm1!newshost!egorman From: egorman%dev27@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Eugene Gorman) Subject: kermit script suspends with escape Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Sender: news@bfm.com Organization: BFM Date: Mon, 24 Apr 1995 21:10:09 GMT Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by hand, I am not suspended. -- Eugene Gorman **************************************************************************** | BlackRock Financial Mgt. | email.............egorman@bfm.com| | 345 Park Avenue | voice.............212-754-5567 | | New York, NY 10154 | fax...............212-754-5397 | **************************************************************************** Good pings come in small packets. -- Eugene Gorman **************************************************************************** | BlackRock Financial Mgt. | email.............egorman@bfm.com| | 345 Park Avenue | voice.............212-754-5567 | | New York, NY 10154 | fax...............212-754-5397 | **************************************************************************** Good pings come in small packets. From news@columbia.edu Tue Apr 25 15:01:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 03:53:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Corruption Message-Id: <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Apr 95 21:01:39 MDT References: <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 65 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com>, glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: > Can someone tell me what the chances are for file corruption in a > Kermit transfer? I always use Block Check 3, as I thought this was > a near-perfect checksum. But today I had a file corrupted during a > transfer, in spite of that. The relevant lines from the fullscreen > display at the end of the transfer are: > > C-Kermit 5A(189), 30 June 93, play > > Communication Speed: 19200 > Parity: none > > File Type: binary > File Size: 1448299 > Window Slots: 1 of 30 > Packet Count: 18054 > Packet Retry Count: 3511 > Packet Block Check: 3 > > Last Error: Timeout > > Once all the issues of flow control, timeouts, retries, etc. are > past, that's when the checksum algorithm should get run. There's > clearly something complex about this file (it's compressed data) > that causes the many retries, but I don't understand why the > checksum algorithm is failing. Is there a stronger alternative > so I can get a better guarantee of correct transmission? Do I > have to run the UNIX "sum" after all transfers to make sure they > got over the wire okay? > > Glenn Herteg > glenn@ia-us.com ------------- Making the best I can of this... First of all, it appears as if the file tranfer terminated early from a timeout. That would, naturally, lead to a "corrupted" file by missing the end. Might this be the case here? Second, the above shows about one packet in six was repeated. That's a fairly high error rate. Then, based on "second" we need to realize that no error checking algorithm can be perfect. The block-3 check is a CRC polynomial method and is as good as they get. But none is perfect. To entertain readers with why I can say this comfortably may I receite a short story from Andrew Tanenbaum's classical book "Computer Networks"? Ok, here goes. Two armies are fighting a final battle. One army is in a valley and the other is split on two hilltops. The hill army can win if and only if its two parts can attack in unison. Messages can be sent from hill to hill, intercepted, faked, misunderstood, and all the foibles we can imagine. The question is: is there an algorithm (messages) which guarantees absolutely the hill army wins? Try it on the person sitting next to you on the plane. The answer is: there isn't such an algorithm. Each message needs confirmation so that each side knows the other side knows what it does, and knows that they know that it knows that they know, and so on. If a last message gave that assurance, just supposing, and it happen to be lost then things would go to pot. Thus, to be sure, we'd need confirmation that the "last message" got through, consituting a "last message + 1" needing confirmation, and hence the "last message" is not sufficient. The problem recurses forever. The moral of the story is add as many check bits as desired, in as clever a fashion as desired, and there still isn't a guarantee of perfection. For a given check algorithm and fixed number of check bits the chances of slipping through increase with the length of the packet. Maybe you can send a copy of the file to us at Columbia Univ for replaying on local equipment. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 04:52:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:23:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 04:23:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!ablecom!ns2.MainStreet.Net!ftp.netgate.net!news From: awu@ftp.netgate.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 26 Apr 1995 04:52:46 GMT Organization: NetGate Communicaitons Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> Reply-To: awu@ftp.netgate.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ng25.netgate.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. Andrew. //--------------------------------------------------------------------// // Andrew Wu // // San Jose, CA, USA // // Internet: awu@scuacc.scu.edu // // awu@netgate.net // // Using OS/2 Warp and NR/2 // //--------------------------------------------------------------------// From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:06:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:06:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script suspends with escape Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:06:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3nlk1e$9gl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Eugene Gorman wrote: >I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the >appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and >escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. >If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just >fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a >way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by >hand, I am not suspended. > This is a variation on a frequently asked question. The question comes in so many forms, I don't really know how to rephrase it in a generic way, but the answer is always the same: DON'T USE THE CONNECT COMMAND IN A SCRIPT PROGRAM UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT TO START THE TERMINAL EMULATOR. Please read the documentation. The CONNECT command "connects" your keyboard and screen to the remote host. The CONNECT command stays active until you escape back to the command processor. Conversely, the command processor is not active during CONNECT mode, and thus your script does not execute while CONNECT mode is active. In a script program, you replace the CONNECT command with INPUT, OUTPUT, and IF FAIL / IF SUCCESS commands to do under program control what you would have done by hand / by eye in CONNECT mode. In this case, your Kermit script stops because you have entered CONNECT mode, the host sends an Escape, and the terminal emulator is waiting for the rest of the escape sequence. Cure: don't do that. Use INPUT. Read the book. Look at the numerous examples of how to construct login scripts. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:21:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:21:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11434 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:21:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:21:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, Mark H Pearson wrote: >I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times >already, but ... > Yes, more times than can be counted, each and every day. >I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. >However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a >pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, >then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the >score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and >uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... > Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the funds or programmer time to do it. We could not possibly be more aware of the demand. >I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what >the 'official' line on this is. > There is no Beta Kermit for Windows from Columbia. >It's my humble opinion that even >though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 >/ VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, >scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. > We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, and because of the rules of PC networking, we can't have Winsock and another TCP/IP stack active at the same time, nor can MS-DOS Kermit "use" Winsock because Kermit is a DOS application -- a "Windows-aware" DOS application, but still not a "native" Windows application. Here is the official response from Kermit headquarters: as much as we do NOT appreciate being jerked around by the Microsoft "standard" du jour, we do appreciate that millions of PC users are hostage to it, and we will do our best to accommodate -- until the next time the rug is pulled out from underneath us. In the meantime, sites that have thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a giant bag of free goodies. If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 14:33:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:34:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 10:34:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: File Corruption Date: 26 Apr 1995 14:33:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3nllkn$ccv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com> <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.210139.48681@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1995Apr25.154059.432@lia.com>, glenn@lia.com (Glenn Herteg) writes: >> Can someone tell me what the chances are for file corruption in a >> Kermit transfer? I always use Block Check 3, as I thought this was >> a near-perfect checksum. But today I had a file corrupted during a >> transfer, in spite of that. The relevant lines from the fullscreen >> display at the end of the transfer are: > To Joe's comments I will only add that, in my opinion, the chances of corrupted data slipping through a Cyclic Redundancy Check are considerably smaller than the chances of a bug in the software. Your posting shows that you were using the previous release of C-Kermit. Obviously, it would be better to use the current version, 5A(190). You did not say which Kermit program was on the other end. Some commercial and shareware Kermit implementations are known to corrupt files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 03:18:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:24:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:23:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit script suspends with escape Message-Id: <1995Apr26.091858.48723@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 09:18:58 MDT References: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , egorman@dev27 (Eugene Gorman) writes: > > I have created a dialup kermit script that will suspend on the > appearance of an escape (ie ^[). The site I connect to sends out and > escape right after the CONNECT message, and my kermit script stops. > If I hit return at this point, the script will continue and work just > fine. I am trying to run this without human intervention. Is there a > way to tell the kermit script to ignore escapes? If I run this by > hand, I am not suspended. --------- I think I understand your situation, and the cure too. The problem is the remote host sends some bytes during the Connect process, and the last of them is ESC. At that point your script halts and you need to intervene to continue. Here's my guess. You are echoing arriving material to the screen and ANSI.SYS is loaded. ANSI.SYS is trying to "parse" (recognize) control sequences and it got the lead-in, ESC, for one. Thus it sits there waiting for more of the sequence before displaying more text. It's running, but we can't see that. The script is running, but ANSI.SYS has suspended screen updates until a control-sequence terminator (typically a letter) has arrived. My suggestions are a) turn off script echoing (SET INPUT ECHO OFF) through the ESC, or b) match on material up to or well after the ESC. I think the ESC is part of a control sequence sent to you and it's best to let Kermit's terminal emulator deal with it. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 03:27:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:31:43 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:31:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <1995Apr26.092730.48725@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 09:27:30 MDT References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, MARKP@earlham.edu (Mark H Pearson) writes: > I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times > already, but ... > > I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. > However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a > pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, > then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the > score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and > uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... > > I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what > the 'official' line on this is. It's my humble opinion that even > though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 > / VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, > scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. What are the sticky issues > in porting Kermit into the Windows environment, apart from the obvious > one that it sucketh and hath no development tools .... ? --------- There isn't a beta Kermit for Windows, at least nothing from the Columbia Univ Kermit project. There is MS-DOS Kermit which while being a DOS program is Windows-aware and tries to get along. Perhaps you are trying too hard above. Since my place uses MSK rather heavily in Windows, and students are also rather fond of Netscape et al, I create two .BAT files for them. One simply brings up Windows normally and MSK runs in it. The other loads Novell's LWP/DOS TCP/IP stack, removes most program icons, adds Netscape, brings up Windows; on exiting it unloads LWP. The cost is small: just a directory with copies of *.ini, *.grp and win.com for the second case. All this material lives on a read-only Novell NetWare fileserver. Creating a solid comms program in Windows is a rather difficult and lengthy task. One doesn't port programs this way. We have commented on the issue about every week in this group. The sticky points are money to pay for people and time, people, and time. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 00:57:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 12:48:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pasture.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta Telnet Problem Date: 26 Apr 1995 00:57:58 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3nk5qm$qtp@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <3njjq7$ptt@news4.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasture.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vincent Greene writes: >I can press Return at the Login prompt and it will display >two more login prompts. If I type my username at the login prompt and >hit Return, it will skip the password prompt and display "invalid login." I experienced *similar* (but possibly completely different) behavior when I recently used COM.SYS instead of SIO.SYS ('cause my Wacom tablet didn't like SIO). I switched back to SIO and all was fine. (Yes, I think I'm finally convinced that SIO is worth hanging on to - and registering!) --kyler From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 07:51:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <1995Apr26.135112.48774@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 13:51:12 MDT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: > Did anybody get this combination to work? > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this > driver, at least under Win311. > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. > Can't figure out what went wrong. ------ Well, Jack, I doubt that we can tell you what went wrong either. Win95 is loaded with funnies which change by the build number, not to mention what the user can do to the mixture. We are not into giving installation advice wrt Win95, as you can understand, and we have no responsibility for the shim. In short, this isn't the place for the problem. However, I will try to remember to have a quick look at the situation this weekend. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 07:57:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15355 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25605 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 16:48:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Message-Id: <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 Apr 95 13:57:49 MDT References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: > Hi, > > Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a > DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit > for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize > the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. ----------- MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs (or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Apr 26 19:54:24 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:08:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27849 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 17:08:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.netins.net!newshost.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!news.xmission.com!news.interpac.net!usenet From: floyd@interpac.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 script question Date: 26 Apr 1995 19:54:24 GMT Organization: InterPacific Networks - Hawaii Lines: 3 Message-Id: <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: s4.interpac.net X-Newsreader: AIR News 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to create a script which will not echo the scripts commands to the remote user. Can this be done? I have tried "set take-echo off" with no luck. Can anyone help? Thanks! From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:23:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:23:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25889 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 26 Apr 1995 21:23:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 script question Date: 27 Apr 1995 01:23:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3nmrn3$p8t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nm8dg$98r@isis.interpac.net>, wrote: : I am trying to create a script which will not echo the scripts commands : to the remote user. Can this be done? I have tried "set take-echo off" : with no luck. Can anyone help? Thanks! : Try "set input echo off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 05:01:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11136 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:01:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 01:01:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 27 Apr 1995 05:01:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 38 Message-Id: <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: >> Hi, >> >> Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a >> DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit >> for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize >> the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. >----------- > MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means >it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the >resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK >should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. > It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, >Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs >(or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into >the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems >represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only >to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. > Joe D. The OS/2 IAK provides an implementation of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for DOS within OS/2 DOS Sessions. However, MS-DOS Kermit does not work in that environment. You can however use MS-DOS Kermit in conjunction with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. I have installed SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS (fossil), and VMODEM (com3). Then I tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT FOSSIL 3, and dial away to my host. VMODEM uses binary telnet connections so sometimes you must use ^J instead ^M. But otherwise it works fine. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:44:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:39:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22078 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 03:39:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TELNET VT220 Support Date: 27 Apr 1995 01:44:07 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. Paul Taylor, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada -- Paul Taylor, Waterloo, Ontario, Canada that I can run C-Kermit at 14400? This must surely be a FAQ, but I can't find the answer in the only Kermit FAQ available to me. TIA, and best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell The "wisdom" of today judges governmental Pixel Analysis organizations only by their failures and (alan@clark.net) private organizations only by their successes. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 03:37:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:55:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 06:55:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 03:37:47 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 28 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cursa.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From that section: "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this paragraph? A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu ituation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a >giant bag of free goodies. Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute kermit? >If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for >a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to >Kermit. This is not a reasonable approach for more than a few people at a site since it also doubles your wiring plant if you are using 10BaseT and the number of IP addresses you need. And it's no help at all for people who want to use a dial-up winsock to connect to a local internet provider, then among other things, run scripted kermit sessions to remote machines. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 01:31:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:55:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 08:55:45 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!granite.ciw.edu!finger From: finger@granite.ciw.edu Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Message-Id: <27Apr95.013131.3009@granite.ciw.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 01:31:31 GMT References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Geophysical Laboratory Lines: 74 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu>, >Mark H Pearson wrote: >>I am sure that this question has been asked a zillion of times >>already, but ... >> >Yes, more times than can be counted, each and every day. > >>I'm an avid user of Kermit and support it on all PCs at our College. >>However, once on the network and using Windows, DOS Kermit becomes a >>pain in the botty department. I have to load a Packet Multiplexor, >>then a packet driver for Winsock, and WINPKT etc etc. You know the >>score - with ODI in there too, it's as stable as a house of cards and >>uses up acres of precious DOS memory. Sooooo .... >> >Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. >This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the >funds or programmer time to do it. > >We could not possibly be more aware of the demand. > >>I gather there's a beta of Kermit for WIndows and I was wondering what >>the 'official' line on this is. >> >There is no Beta Kermit for Windows from Columbia. > >>It's my humble opinion that even >>though we're in the Web age, there's still a need for rock solid VT220 >>/ VT320 terminal emulation, pass throught printing support, >>scriptability, etc and Kermit has it all. >> >We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything >you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, >character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact >built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. > >But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, and because of >the rules of PC networking, we can't have Winsock and another TCP/IP >stack active at the same time, nor can MS-DOS Kermit "use" Winsock >because Kermit is a DOS application -- a "Windows-aware" DOS >application, but still not a "native" Windows application. > >Here is the official response from Kermit headquarters: as much as we >do NOT appreciate being jerked around by the Microsoft "standard" du >jour, we do appreciate that millions of PC users are hostage to it, and >we will do our best to accommodate -- until the next time the rug is >pulled out from underneath us. In the meantime, sites that have >thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because >Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to >help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The >situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a >giant bag of free goodies. > >If you don't like that suggestion, then spring for the $70 or so for >a second Ethernet board and give one to Winsock and the other to >Kermit. > >- Frank Obviously, somebody jumped on Frank today. I would not dismiss the use of a packet driver, PKTMUX and as many PKTDRV stubs as you need. We use that setup with TCP/IP Kermit, NCSA Telnet and winsock compliant apps. If you also use QEMM, none of that takes ANY low memory and it is stable. I too would like a Windows native version of Kermit AND I'm willing to contribute some money. Where do I send the check? Larry W. Finger finger@granite.ciw.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:00:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:00:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20846 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting modem speed Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:00:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3no4hg$kbb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nmpig$e52@clark.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmpig$e52@clark.net>, Alan McConnell wrote: >Hi, everybody! I have a fine US-Robotics modem whose maximum speed >is 14400 -- which it is capable of when I run minicom under Linux. >But when I run C-Kermit, I get a message just after the two modems >have negotiated: "Can't change speed to 14400", and it turns out >they've negotiated to 9600. What I want to know is: what do I have >to change in the C-Kermit source(I have just grabbed C-Kermit190) >so that I can run C-Kermit at 14400? This must surely be a FAQ, >but I can't find the answer in the only Kermit FAQ available to me. > It is indeed an FAQ, and the answer is indeed in the Kermit FAQ, which you can find at: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/moreinfo.html And of course, the answer is also in the manual. Quoting from the FAQ: 15. Q: WHEN C-KERMIT DIALS MY V.32bis (OR V.34) MODEM, I GET THE ERROR "CAN'T CHANGE SPEED TO 14400 (OR 28800)" A: Tell C-Kermit to SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF; explained below. Dialing is covered in Chapter 3 and Appendix II of "Using C-Kermit". To recapitulate very briefly: older modems, like the Hayes 1200 and 2400, that did not do error correction or compression, but that could negotiate their modulation speed, would report the modulation speed upon successful connection, and change their interface speed to match. Thus, the communication software would also have to change its own interface speed, or else the user would see only garbage. Modern modems have two different speeds: the interface speed and the modulation speed. The interface speed can be kept constant even though the modulation speed changes. Or not, depending on how the modem is configured. Kermit has no way of knowing whether your modem is set up to lock its interface speed, or to change it to match the modulation speed, and therefore it has no way of knowing whether to believe the "CONNECT 28800" (or whatever) message. By default, for compatibility with the huge installed base of older modems, it does believe, and therefore changes its interface speed according to the CONNECT message. So if your modem's interface speed is locked (which it SHOULD be if it is an error-correcting, data-compressing modem), you must tell Kermit NOT to change its interface speed by giving it the command: SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING OFF Now to complicate matters, some of the newer modulations report speeds that are not commonly supported by the host operating system, such as 14400 and 28800. Hence the message "Can't change speed to 14400" (or 28800). But even if these speeds were supported, you would not want Kermit changing to them if the modem's interface speed was locked. You would still see only garbage, but you would not get the "Can't change speed" message. See pages 60-61 of "Using C-Kermit" for additional detail. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:10:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:10:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21859 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:10:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:10:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3no53n$lam@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions >of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute >kermit? > There were more user contributions in the past, but that has nothing to do with our redistribution policies, which have not changed. Please don't start this one up again. There are thousands of mirror sites for Kermit software, there are thousands of universities, government agencies, and corporations in which literally millions of people are using Kermit software internally without paying us a dime. What's your complaint? Never mind, don't answer. There were more contributions in the past because the net used to be a hangout for techies who liked trading code. The net has changed. Now it is a commodity exchange. Nobody gives away anything any more. That's mainly because nobody can afford to -- the old subsidies are long gone. It's a different world. Personally, I would prefer to spend more of my time on design and development and less on fund-raising. But I don't have a choice. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 13:12:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:12:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 09:12:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Date: 27 Apr 1995 13:12:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3no582$lhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal >escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The >TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except >for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am >using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the >foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > I'm sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. My VT220 manual does not say a word about fore/background processing. Please send mail to kermit@columbia.edu and explain exactly what you think Kermit should be doing. What are the escape sequences, etc? A session log would help. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 14:28:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:28:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:28:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 27 Apr 1995 14:28:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 62 Message-Id: <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >Maybe you should work out a deal with this guy: > >(from the README file in kaiwan.kaiwan.com:/user/wwarthen) >--------------- >This directory contains the compressed distribution files for >Kermit for Windows. The files are as follows: > > kmw080.zip - Kermit for Windows Version 0.80 (16 bit) > kmn080.zip - Kermit for Windows NT Version 0.80 (32 bit) > >You must have MS Windows NT to use kmn080.zip. You must have MS Windows >Version 3.1 or greater to use kmw080.zip. > >These programs are ditributed as "freeware". You may freely use, copy, >and distribute the programs. However, you must distribute each of the >above zip files in their entirety and without modification. > >Comments or questions should be sent via Internet to the author >wwarthen@kaiwan.com. >----------------- > >This works over the serial ports or winsock, and has most of the >file transfer options. It is limited to vt-102 terminal emulation >and lacks scripting in this version. As you mention there is no scripting, the terminal emulator is not just limited to saying that it is a vt102 but it is not a correct vt102. In addition, the kermit protocol implementation is not complete. Plus, there is no keyboard remapping. I could go on. >Was it just my imagination or weren't there more user contributions >of code back in the days when other sites were allowed to re-distribute >kermit? No this is not the reason for the lack of contributions. The lack of contributions is caused by a lack of time. Nowadays, very few people who are expert programmers are willing/able to donate the thousands of programming hours necessary to implement a good user interface on MS Windows, OS/2 PM, X Motif, .... The amount of time that I have put into OS/2 C-Kermit in the last two years is close to 1200 hours. And this is on top of my full time job. And I still don't have a GUI interface. It just isn't that easy when you want to have a consistent portable code base. While Wayne Warthen has spent two years working on his Kermit program for Windows, he admits that there are still years left of work for him to do if he was to seriously want to donate it and release it as non- Beta software. And even then, it would be completely incompatible with C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. The appropriate approach is to port the C-Kermit code base to Windows and provide it with an Event Driven interface and protocol engine. However, the only feasible way to do this is with threads. So we wait for Windows 95. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 14:39:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:40:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 10:40:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 14:39:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to >Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, >the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From >that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > >Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use >C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use >C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this >paragraph? Pretty straight forward. DO NOT USE KERMIT in an attach.cmd file. In fact do not use an attach.cmd file at all. Here is how I connect to Columbia's SLIP service. STart SLIP.EXE Execute ckermit -C "slip" where the macro slip is defined as: define slip- access slipwatts,- input 5 >,- output login\13,- input 5 login:,- output jaltman\13,- input 5 password:,- output firehorse\13,- input 5 >,- output slip\13,- set port com1,- !bootp sl0,- telnet kermit and slipwatts is a services directory entry: slipwatts nologin xxxxx call hayes slipcom1 57600 1-212-854-3726 > >A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to >dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 >Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options >should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before >reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? >Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit The paragraph above says that SLIP should be started before C-Kermit. You SLIP settings should be defined in your SLIP.CFG file in the ETC directory. And the values of those settings should be received from your SLIP provider. I use BOOTP to get the IP Address information. If your provider does not support it then you must use a series of INPUT commands and the \v(input) variable to capture the necessary IP addresses and then use ifconfig to install them. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 16:19:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:19:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:19:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Control: cancel <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: 27 Apr 1995 16:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 5 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nog68$bc3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3noabv$ie@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> was cancelled from within trn. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 16:22:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14427 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:22:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 12:22:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Date: 27 Apr 1995 16:22:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 69 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3nogce$bnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to >Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, >the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From >that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > >Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use >C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use >C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this >paragraph? Pretty straight forward. DO NOT USE KERMIT in an attach.cmd file. In fact do not use an attach.cmd file at all. Here is how I connect to Columbia's SLIP service. STart SLIP.EXE Execute ckermit -C "slip" where the macro slip is defined as: define slip- access slipwatts,- input 5 >,- output login\13,- input 5 login:,- output jaltman\13,- input 5 password:,- output PASSWORD\13,- input 5 >,- output slip\13,- set port com1,- !bootp sl0,- telnet kermit and slipwatts is a services directory entry: slipwatts nologin xxxxx call hayes slipcom1 57600 1-212-555-1111 > >A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to >dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 >Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options >should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before >reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? >Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit The paragraph above says that SLIP should be started before C-Kermit. You SLIP settings should be defined in your SLIP.CFG file in the ETC directory. And the values of those settings should be received from your SLIP provider. I use BOOTP to get the IP Address information. If your provider does not support it then you must use a series of INPUT commands and the \v(input) variable to capture the necessary IP addresses and then use ifconfig to install them. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 17:25:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26873 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:42:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 15:42:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!jake.esu.edu!falcon.ma.iup.edu!urzntcb From: Kurt Claussen Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CTRL-PrintScr Problem? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 13:25:18 -0400 Organization: East Stroudsburg University, Pennsylvania Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.ma.iup.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heyo! I have sort of a problem here. (Perhaps I just have something configured wrong, but it may be a bug..) I just got C-Kermit 5a(191) for OS/2, and when I type Ctrl-PrintScreen, it will print just fine, but it doesn't send anything to the screen, so if I want a sort of session log to be sent to the printer, I have to do it blindly.. 5a(190) did not have a problem with this.. any suggestions? Cheers.. ]); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:01:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06200 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 16:00:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Message-Id: <1995Apr27.091259.48890@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 09:12:59 MDT References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> writes: > Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal > escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The > TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except > for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am > using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the > foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > ----------- Paul, Ummm, VT220's are real terminals and not computers. They have no concept of foreground/background. There is no VT220 control sequence to do fore/background. Emulators of VT220 emulate that terminal. Even the concept of fore/background is extremely operating system dependent. Consequently, you are looking at someone's hack into an emulator. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 21:29:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:29:41 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CTRL-PrintScr Problem? Date: 27 Apr 1995 21:29:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3np2c0$gm2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kurt Claussen wrote: >Heyo! > > I have sort of a problem here. (Perhaps I just have something >configured wrong, but it may be a bug..) I just got C-Kermit 5a(191) for >OS/2, and when I type Ctrl-PrintScreen, it will print just fine, but it >doesn't send anything to the screen, so if I want a sort of session log >to be sent to the printer, I have to do it blindly.. 5a(190) did not have >a problem with this.. any suggestions? First, for the benefit of others some background information. You are using a Full Screen session. Because if you were using the Windowed OS/2 sessions, Ctrl-PrintScreen would never be seen by C-Kermit. C-Kermit 5a(190) for OS/2 only supported VT Controller (transparent) print mode. The proper functionality of that mode is to not print characters to the screen but to send them directly to the printer. Version 5a(191) also supports Auto-Print. This takes every line that is sent to the screen and prints it when the cursor leave the current line. This is what it sounds like you want to have happen. Add to your CKERMOD.INI file the following line: SET KEY \370 \PrtAuto Remember, this key assignment will only be available during a full-screen session. So you might want to assign it to a different key combination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 21:49:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07190 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:02:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:02:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!parsifal.nando.net!parsifal.nando.net!bkurson From: Zotar Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSKERMIT V3.10 .ini file? Date: Thu, 27 Apr 1995 17:49:02 -0400 Organization: News & Observer Public Access Lines: 19 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: parsifal.nando.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings, All of the .ini files I find for MS-DOS Kermit seem to be for version 3.11 or later. Even the examples in the book, MS-DOS Kermit all seem to be for version 3.11 or later. I am running Rainbow MS-DOS version 3.10 under dos 3.10b and I would really like the ability to dial, and redial. If anyone could point me towards an older version of an .ini file or a newer version of Kermit for the Dec Rainbow I would be all set. Thanks, Bruce bkurson@nando.net b.kurson@genie.geis.com bkurson@mail.zd.ziff.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 22:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09220 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 18:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKERMIT V3.10 .ini file? Date: 27 Apr 1995 22:38:53 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3np6dt$ngq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Zotar wrote: >All of the .ini files I find for MS-DOS Kermit seem to be for version >3.11 or later. Even the examples in the book, MS-DOS Kermit all seem to >be for version 3.11 or later. > >I am running Rainbow MS-DOS version 3.10 under dos 3.10b and I would >really like the ability to dial, and redial. >If anyone could point me towards an older version of an .ini file or a >newer version of Kermit for the Dec Rainbow I would be all set. > Nobody has upgraded the Rainbow version beyond 3.10. The pre-version 3.11 dialing mechanism was rather primitive, requiring you to hardcode your dialing directory into the LOOKUP macro that was defined in MSKERMIT.INI. You can find the version 3.10 MSKERMIT.INI, along with the accompanying HAYES.SCR, in the kermit/old directory on kermit.columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Apr 27 06:35:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:44:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 27 Apr 1995 19:44:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using OS/2 C-Kermit 191 with SLIP.EXE Message-Id: <1995Apr27.123541.48939@cc.usu.edu> Date: 27 Apr 95 12:35:40 MDT References: <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Utah State University Lines: 38 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nn3ib$dut@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > I am a little confused by some of the explanation in the "Updates to > Using C-Kermit" that comes with OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191). In particular, > the section titled "Using C-Kermit to make SLIP connections". From > that section: > > "Note that C-Kermit should not be used as part of an attachment > script, which is started by the SLIP driver itself, but should be > run as a separate command _after_ [emphasis mine] the SLIP driver > is started. Should scripting be required, you can use Kermit > scripts [..] to perform the same tasks as an attachment script." > > > Doen't this paragraph contradict itself? First it says not to use > C-Kermit as part of an attachment script, but then it says you CAN use > C-Kermit as an attachment script. What exactly is meant by this > paragraph? > > > A further but related question: let's say I want to use C-Kermit to > dial-up a slip server, and then start SLIP.EXE that comes with OS/2 > Warp. How does one do this? In particular, what command-line options > should be given to SLIP.EXE? When should SLIP.EXE be started, before > reaching the server or only after starting the remote slip connection? > Maybe someone can give a careful explanation of how all the pieces fit ----------- No need to be careful in the explanation: it's obvious in practice(tm). Initially your remote terminal server agent is NOT speaking SLIP, and it requires human chatter to login etc. Use Kermit for that task. Then you start SLIP on it and escape back to the local PC to start SLIP locally. After SLIP is running happily locally and remotely start Kermit to run over the internal TCP/IP stack. The difference in approach is because part of the time SLIP is not running. And during that part Kermit provides the link between your fingers and the remote machinery. If you have a variation of this then just "let your fingers do the walking" the first time and then turn that much into a script. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 07:32:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29710 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:32:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02531 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 13:32:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit MS-DOS Library... Date: 28 Apr 1995 07:32:44 GMT Organization: EURO-LOG GmbH Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a I/O library for MS-DOS available, which has sliding windows implemented ? If yes, where is it accessable ? Is it for free ? Any hints are very apreceated. Thanks in advance Hans Rehfeld -- Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 18:21:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:22:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07302 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 14:22:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit MS-DOS Library... Date: 28 Apr 1995 18:21:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nrbo6$73r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nq5ms$be8$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, Hans Rehfeld <100125.3631@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Is there a I/O library for MS-DOS available, which has sliding >windows implemented? If yes, where is it accessable? Is it for >free ? > If there is one, it is not from Columbia University, and it is probably not for free. For DOS, we would prefer that you use MS-DOS Kermit itself as an external protocol, which is quite simple and convenient in version 3.14 (the latest version). If this is to be included in a commercial or shareware application, you'll have to license it, just as you would have to license any commercial "comm library". The advantage of doing it this way is that you get the best Kermit implementation and at the same time you help to support the Kermit effort. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 05:58:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:44:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 15:44:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news-m01.ny.us.ibm.net!news From: lennart@ibm.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Using Kermit as an DLL Date: 28 Apr 1995 05:58:58 GMT Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Reply-To: lennart@ibm.net Nntp-Posting-Host: slip137-1.pt.uk.ibm.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm developing an application that is doing som file transfer in the background and I'm today using the Kermit protocol for this. The 'problem' is that I would like to use Kermit as ordinary function calls using DLL's instead of starting it as an .exe file! Is this possible??? From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 20:23:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:23:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19774 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 16:23:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Kermit as an DLL Date: 28 Apr 1995 20:23:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3nrisf$j9q@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nq072$1dl3@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>, wrote: :I'm developing an application that is doing som file transfer in the :background and I'm today using the Kermit protocol for this. : :The 'problem' is that I would like to use Kermit as ordinary function calls :using DLL's instead of starting it as an .exe file! : There is no Kermit DLL. Although you might prefer to have a DLL, those of us who do the work would prefer it if you used the tools at hand, such as KERLITE.EXE, with the normal licensing terms if you are creating a commercial product or otherwise furnishing software to customers or clients, etc, for commercial gain and/or advantage. This way, you get the best Kermit implementation available, and we get some income to pay for our continued existence and further development. Send email to kermit@columbia.edu to discuss this further. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 20:38:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:34:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14653 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 28 Apr 1995 21:34:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!nntp.sei.cmu.edu!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu!rochester!udel!gatech!purdue!yuma!FitzG.LIBRARY.ColoState.EDU!Dfitzgerald From: Dfitzgerald@vines.colostate.edu (Daniel C. FitzGerald) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 20:38:46 GMT Organization: Colorado State University Lines: 18 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: fitzg.library.colostate.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and we don't want users leaving terminal mode. Thanks. ========================================================================= Dan FitzGerald | Network Support - A science of vague DFitzGerald@LTS@Libraries| assumptions, based on debatable figures, danno@holly.colostate.edu| taken from inconclusive experiments, performed Phone: (303) 491-7102 | with instruments of problematical accuracy | by persons of doubtful reliability and | questionable mentality. ========================================================================= Dan FitzGerald From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 08:15:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13839 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 03:29:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 03:29:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!boulder!agate!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 28 Apr 1995 08:15:07 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 47 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2636 comp.infosystems.www.users:25722 alt.hypertext:9067 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 packet driver. I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? If there _were_ a Lynx for MS-DOS, complete with vi keys and local HTML file viewing, I'd use it to solve a problem that has long plagued me at work: how to provide employees with process documentation that combines the power of hypertext with the ready accessiblity of our existing UNIX-like (MKS Toolkit, actually) man pages. Imagine this: J. Random Hacker is editing a simple awk script using vi. Because it's three o'clock in the morning, she forgets the order of parameters to the sub() function, so she types :!man awk/sub( and she's immediately staring at the answer to her question without having abandoned her editing session or having reached beyond the bang (!) key. Now imagine that, with a tap of the vi l (el) key, she's linked to the regexp(3) man page because, instead of the traditional man utility, she's actually running the Lynx/Kermit duo! And her man pages are HTML documents! If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! Any and all comments will be sincerely appreciated. TIA. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 23:24:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:14:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:14:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl!NOORDAM From: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 28 Apr 1995 23:24:44 GMT Organization: CRI, Leiden University, The Netherlands Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,<3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> Reply-To: noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl Nntp-Posting-Host: rulcri.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: >Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >: It sounds to me like you have a mismatch between the VMS and Kermit >: terminal types. I can assure you that the VT102 emulation works (dare I >: say) perfectly. > >Please Frank (and Joe D.) feel free to use the word "perfectly". It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, things get even worse). Frank, Joe, Mike, thanks for your help. Kermit certainly makes me smile now! Stephan From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 22:44:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:45:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 04:45:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!clpd-newsserver!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Date: 28 Apr 1995 22:44:40 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.3 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2638 comp.infosystems.www.users:25727 alt.hypertext:9071 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com says... > >From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >packet driver. Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can be gotten. > I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). > >Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be well enough organized to allow this. >browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems to people. >If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! I'm a soloist, myself. >sincerely appreciated. TIA. No need for profanity here. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 06:47:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:04:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 05:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!world!decwrl!ablecom!ns2.MainStreet.Net!ftp.netgate.net!news From: awu@ftp.netgate.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK Date: 29 Apr 1995 06:47:32 GMT Organization: NetGate Communicaitons Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3nsne4$c4v@ftp.netgate.net> References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: awu@ftp.netgate.net Nntp-Posting-Host: ng23.netgate.net X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3nn8ev$f8c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >The OS/2 IAK provides an implementation of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for DOS within >OS/2 DOS Sessions. However, MS-DOS Kermit does not work in that environment. > >You can however use MS-DOS Kermit in conjunction with Ray Gwinn's SIO drivers. >I have installed SIO.SYS, VSIO.SYS, VX00.SYS (fossil), and VMODEM (com3). >Then I tell MS-DOS Kermit to SET PORT FOSSIL 3, and dial away to my >host. It seems to be the only solution so far. //--------------------------------------------------------------------// // Andrew Wu // // San Jose, CA, USA // // Internet: awu@scuacc.scu.edu // // awu@netgate.net // //--------------------------------------------------------------------// From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 21:18:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:11:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26812 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 07:11:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!davisj From: davisj@acsu.buffalo.edu (Jared Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for the Commodore 64 Date: 28 Apr 1995 21:18:43 GMT Organization: UB Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: destrier.acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-User: davisj Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have tried to download Kermit from ftp kermit.columbia.edu. There are numerous files for the C64. I tried to figure out which one(s) I needed but couldn't. Can somebody please help! Email me if you can. I greatly appreciate it... Thanks JAred From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 14:41:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01143 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:43:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:43:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 29 Apr 1995 14:41:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3ntj6n$d57@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Daniel C. FitzGerald wrote: >Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or >DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and >we don't want users leaving terminal mode. > It might be possible to cook up a custom version of MS-DOS Kermit for you, but with sufficient deviousness and wile, you should be able to find a way to accomplish the same thing with the current version (which is, by the way, 3.14). Your script for invoking Kermit would simply include a CONNECT command on the DOS command line, but no STAY command, e.g. kermit set this, set that, connect If the user attempts to escape back, they exit from the program. At that point your upper level script can do whatever it wants -- restart Kermit, give a message or a menu, etc. How to prevent them from escaping to DOS? Allocate so many rollback screens that memory will be filled up and there won't be any room for the inferior command processor. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 14:47:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:47:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 10:47:42 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for the Commodore 64 Date: 29 Apr 1995 14:47:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3ntjha$dl1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrm3j$pot@azure.acsu.buffalo.edu>, Jared Davis wrote: >I have tried to download Kermit from ftp kermit.columbia.edu. >There are numerous files for the C64. I tried to figure out >which one(s) I needed but couldn't. Can somebody please help! >Email me if you can. I greatly appreciate it... > To get started, read the c64aaa.hlp file. Here's a copy: COMMODORE-64 KERMIT The C64*.* files are for the Commodore 64 and 128. They are in three groups: 1. C644*.* -- This is an old version written in the Forth language, reportedly little-used. 2. C64KER.* -- This is the primary Commodore 64/128 version, for standard configurations. To get started, read the c64ker.aaa file. 3. C64SLK.* -- This version is identical to C64KER.*, but for Commodores with the standard serial interface replaced by SwiftLink-232 interface In addition, C64BOOT.* is provided as a "bootstrapping" method to load the C64KER or C64SLK program onto your Commodore 64 or 128. C64BOOT.BAS is a BASIC program that you run on the Commodore, C64BOOT.C is the other end, which you can run on a UNIX computer or, hopefully, any other kind of (ASCII-based) computer that has a C compiler. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 13:58:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07424 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:02:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22940 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 13:02:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Securing MS-Kermit 3.13 Date: 29 Apr 1995 09:58:20 -0400 Organization: Iguana Extract Information Systems Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ntgls$6me@panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From somewhere in cyberspace, Dfitzgerald@vines.colostate.edu (Daniel C. FitzGerald) said: >Is it possible to secure kermit from users escaping to the command level or >DOS? We are looking at using kermit as public access terminal emulator, and >we don't want users leaving terminal mode. SET ROLLBACK 8000 will, as a side-effect, prevent any subprograms from running via the RUN or PUSH commands, presumably because it causes all of your available low memory to be allocated to the rollback buffer. -- Ed Ravin | Theater is life, | eravin@panix.com | Film is art, | The meek are +1-212-678-5545 | Television is furniture. | getting ready. From news@columbia.edu Fri Apr 28 12:48:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:11:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 14:11:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!genmagic!rahul.net!a2i!news.clark.net!news.clark.net!not-for-mail From: alan@clark.net (Alan McConnell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Setting modem speed Date: 28 Apr 1995 08:48:02 -0400 Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3nqo62$r61@clark.net> References: <3nmpig$e52@clark.net> <3no4hg$kbb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #6 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My face is covered with egg! :-( I've found the passage in the FAQ.TXT, and -- perhaps worse -- I found the reference in "Using C-Kermit", which has long occupied a place of honor on my bookshelf. Thanks for reply, and best wishes, Alan McConnell -- Alan McConnell The "wisdom" of today judges governmental Pixel Analysis organizations only by their failures and (alan@clark.net) private organizations only by their successes. From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 05:59:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25118 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:51:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21096 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 29 Apr 1995 19:51:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: 29 Apr 1995 00:59:53 -0500 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3nskkp$2da@Mercury.mcs.com> References: <1995Apr25.173132.61776@earlham.edu> <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3nn6u2$n6m@venus.mcs.com> <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3no9n2$shg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >No this is not the reason for the lack of contributions. The lack of >contributions is caused by a lack of time. Nowadays, very few people >who are expert programmers are willing/able to donate the thousands >of programming hours necessary to implement a good user interface on >MS Windows, OS/2 PM, X Motif, .... Yes, this is unfortunate. However, most of the places I use kermit I would prefer *no* user interface beyond a way to debug the scripts. Mostly I want a baling wire/chewing gum approach to getting files moved around automatically when the other end isn't sensible enough to have uucp, and kermit's ability to chat over different interfaces with the same script can save a lot of trouble. However, the available interface is increasingly winsock-only. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 15:38:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:39:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23210 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 11:39:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!usenet From: davis@space.mit.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 PL 3 crash Date: 30 Apr 1995 15:38:51 GMT Organization: Center for Space Research Lines: 14 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: davis@space.mit.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: wiwaxia.mit.edu X-Newsreader: S-Lang: slrn (0.3.2.0) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, It seems that MS-Kermit 3.14 Patch Level 3 will crash upon startup if there is less than 270K free memory. Has this been noticed before? I would rather have it abort with an insufficient memory error. One way to verify this is to run Kermit, push to DOS, then using MEM to monitor free memory, keep spawning new command.coms until the memory drops below about 270K. Then run a new kermit. The system is a 486 DX2 running DOS 6.22 with no TSRs loaded. --John From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 16:00:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:00:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 16:00:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!oleane!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Date: Sat, 29 Apr 95 00:42:41 MEZ Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 6 Message-Id: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) I used cslipper. Any idea ? Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 08:59:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 17:04:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 17:04:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 PL 3 crash Message-Id: <1995Apr30.145923.49249@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Apr 95 14:59:23 MDT References: <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o0aub$ipr@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, davis@space.mit.edu writes: > Hi, > > It seems that MS-Kermit 3.14 Patch Level 3 will crash upon startup if > there is less than 270K free memory. Has this been noticed before? I would > rather have it abort with an insufficient memory error. > > One way to verify this is to run Kermit, push to DOS, then using MEM to > monitor free memory, keep spawning new command.coms until the memory drops > below about 270K. Then run a new kermit. > > The system is a 486 DX2 running DOS 6.22 with no TSRs loaded. ------------ MSK does complain if not enough memory is available to complete the startup process. I think the situation maybe that DOS itself is locking up during the attempted load. The reason I suggest this is I tried the experiment twice, once with full networking going and again without. The full networking case yielded a dead machine, interrupts off, no keyboard lights, etc. Kermit itself does not do such things, and that leaves DOS. The second experiment was before networking and Kermit #2 complained about insufficient memory and refused to load; all was well otherwise. This too suggests that in the first experiment Kermit.exe itself did not get fully loaded and did not have a chance to execute any instructions. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Apr 30 10:26:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21010 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 18:45:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 18:45:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu> Date: 30 Apr 95 16:26:21 MDT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: > Did anybody get this combination to work? > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this > driver, at least under Win311. > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. > Can't figure out what went wrong. > > Jack > > Jack Huang > jch25@columbia.edu > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ ----------- Jack, As promised, I brought up the combination of ndis3pkt.386, NDIS 3 protected mode, Win95. Doesn't work at all here. Ndis3pkt says it cannot register for protocol 00c004001 or some such number and that's the end of it. Variations on system.ini info for it did not help. I suggest you talk with the program's author, Dan Lanciani, about the matter. I have run MSK v3.14 in a Win95 window using 16-bit ODI material plus odipkt and winpkt. Readers are cautioned that working or not working depends on the build number of Win95 as much as anything else. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 1 00:42:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:38:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:38:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!library.ucla.edu!unixg.ubc.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!not-for-mail From: eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Help] Reverse/Underline Colours Date: 30 Apr 1995 18:42:40 -0600 Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi! I got Kermit 3.13 for DOS quite some time ago, and got it setup to work with my account very nicely. There's just one thing that could be improved in my setup. I know how to change the foreground and background colours (along with intensity and whatever else), but is there a way to change the colours for reverse or underline or whatever you call it? Right now, I believe it's white on brown, and brown happens not to be one of my favourite colours. :) Does anyone know how to change this? Thanx for any assistance. -- KAME o /~~\_____________ .....................Eric Liu HAME /== ( .........eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca HA!! /> \__/~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.ucalgary.ca/~eliu/ From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 05:09:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 02:34:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27454 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 02:34:37 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: TELNET VT220 Support Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 05:09:42 GMT References: <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com> <3no582$lhc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 27 Apr 1995 13:12:34 GMT, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > In article <3nmst7$q8g$1@mhafc.production.compuserve.com>, > Paul Taylor <75014.216@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > >Will the VT220 TELNET TCP/IP support in kermit support terminal > >escape sequences for foreground and background processing? The > >TELNET that is part of TCP/IP base for OS/2 supports VT220 except > >for this capability. I also need this capability on QNX4. Am > >using both of these systems to access a Unix system that uses the > >foreground background features of VT220's for pop up windows etc. > > > I'm sorry, I don't know what you are talking about. My VT220 manual > does not say a word about fore/background processing. This is just a stab in the dark, but perhaps what Paul Taylor is referring to when he speaks of the VT220's "foreground and background processing" and "pop up windows" capabilities is actually the multiple session and windows capabilities of the DEC VT420 terminal. The VT420 allows one to run two sessions at the same time, to toggle between them with the F4 (Session) key, and even to cut and paste text between sessions (windows). To do this, the terminal must be connected to the host or terminal server using two cables, or to a terminal server that supports multiple sessions, or to a host running Digital Equipment Corporation's Session Support Utility (SSU). If you absolutely, positively can't have a personal computer and a terminal emulator (Kermit!) on your desktop, then a VT420 is the model terminal you beg for. What Mr. Taylor should know is that, whereas the VT420 allows only two simultaneous sessions, Kermit supports six simultaneous TCP/IP connections, even to the same host. (At least MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does. I don't know about the OS/2 version.) One can easily toggle between these multiple sessions by pressing Alt-n (\KnextSession). (Again, I only _know_ this is true for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Check the documentation for your flavor of Kermit.) What _is_ missing from Kermit is the capability to easily cut and paste text between "windows" (sessions). For the model of how this feature, if implemented in Kermit, might ideally work, sit at a DEC VT420 terminal and use the F1 (Copy), Select, Remove, and Insert keys to cut and paste raw ASCII text. (VT420 terminals are designed for those who can type. Don't bother looking for a mouse port.) [C:\] MS-Kermit>set opinion-mode on, connect I, Jim, will continue to use MS-DOS Kermit and support its development through the purchase of supporting documentation even if the capability to cut and paste text within and between sessions is never added to the program. But I shall be very pleased if it is. (If a VT420 can do it without Microsoft Windows, so can Kermit! ;-) [C:\] MS-Kermit>set opinion-mode off, connect --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 12:33:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 08:33:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25221 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 08:33:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Date: 1 May 1995 12:33:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3o2kff$ok3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, wrote: >Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all >the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. >Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) >I used cslipper. Any idea ? > If cslipper is a SLIP-class (6) or Ethernet-class (1) packet driver, it should work. Beyond that, I can only suggest that you (a) check your Kermit version, make sure it is 3.14; (b) read the file NETWORKS\SETUP.DOC; (c) if you still have trouble, send email to kermit@columbia.edu with the specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 14:50:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07645 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 10:53:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08986 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 10:53:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP.. Dial Access using C-Kermit 5A(190) Date: 1 May 1995 14:50:15 GMT Organization: McHugh Freeman Lines: 57 Message-Id: <3o2sf7$f8r@homer.alpha.net> References: <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm re-wording and re-posting again with the hope of getting some help/hint this time... I know it's kinda lengthy but please bear with me.. |> - My remote dial-in (from and to a VAX)work's fine from the C-kermit 5A(190) |> prompt (using a microcom modem through an LTA#### line) as follows: |> |> CK>set line LTA#### |> CK>c |> ath |> OK |> atdt ######## |> Enter term id:* |> Enter login id:**** (Server) |> Enter Password:*****#### |> Login:***_*** (Remote host (VAX)) |> Password:****#### |> HOST_Prmpt> |> Is there a way I can automate it using a 'DEF' or 'ACCESS'. I've tried both without any luck as follows: |> C-Kermit MFA>access LMSCU1 |> 97961087 not in LMS$DISK:[LMS.TEST.MANAGER]CKERMIT.KDD;2 |> Number: 97961087 |> Device: _MCCOY$LTA5401:, modem-dialer: microcom, speed: 9600 |> Dial timeout: 200 seconds |> To cancel: type Ctrl-C. |> Hangup OK |> Initializing: 08:55:11... |> DIAL Failure: 08:55:14: Timed out while trying to initialize modem. |> Will redial in 1 minute: please wait... |> Redialing: try number 2... |> ....... |> |> - I've tried setting the dial-(dial-command, init-string, prefix, directory |> timeout), set delay ### without any luck so far.. |> |> My entry in ckermit.ksd is: |> LMSCU1 vmslogin mfa93; call microcom LTA5401 9600 97961087 |> My entry in ckermit.kdd is: |> lmscu 97961087 9600 none LMSCU 9600 baud line |> |> - Also, since I'm logging in thru' a server should I modify VMSLOGIN to support |> 2 logins and 2 passwords ? |> |> Any help would be greatly appreciated.. Thanx in advance once again, anil -- ====================================================================== | Anil K. Raman | Office Address: | Home address: | | Software Engineer | 20975 Swenson Drive | 2937, N.Newhall Ave | | raman@mfa.com | Suite 400 | Milwaukee, WI-53211 | | Ph.(O) 414-798-8606 | Waukesha, WI 53186 | Ph.(H) 414-332-4710 | | Extension 278 | | | ====================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 13:59:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 11:14:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 11:14:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!newspump.wustl.edu!crcnis3.unl.edu!unlinfo.unl.edu!awhite From: awhite@unlinfo.unl.edu (anne white) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Okay to Upload C-Kermit to Local BBS? Date: 1 May 1995 13:59:16 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska--Lincoln Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unlinfo2.unl.edu Keywords: C-Kermit, Local BBS X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Last week I downloaded C-kermit for OS/2, the new release. I was wondering if it is okay to upload this new C-kermit to a local bulletin board system, or is this something which Columbia University forbids, or at least discourages. A 2nd question concerns the local bulletin board system. The bulletin board software is Maximus version 2.02, operating under OS/2. The system does not at this time provide a Kermit, external file transfer protocol. Can this C-kermit, version 191, be used in this way? What must the operator of the BBS do to use it in this way, if it is possible?  -- Anne L. White "Media Specialist/Teacher/Librarian By Training" 402-479-4316 "Resource Manager By Choice" 402-479-3989 (Fax) NE DEPT ROADS Communications Div NE HWY 2 PO94759 Lincoln NE 68509 From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 03:12:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 12:27:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 12:27:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Help] Reverse/Underline Colours Message-Id: <1995May1.091201.49301@cc.usu.edu> Date: 1 May 95 09:12:01 MDT References: <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o1aq0$30fu@acs4.acs.ucalgary.ca>, eliu@acs.ucalgary.ca (Eric Liu) writes: > > Hi! I got Kermit 3.13 for DOS quite some time ago, and got it > setup to work with my account very nicely. There's just one > thing that could be improved in my setup. I know how to change > the foreground and background colours (along with intensity and > whatever else), but is there a way to change the colours for > reverse or underline or whatever you call it? Right now, I > believe it's white on brown, and brown happens not to be one of > my favourite colours. :) Does anyone know how to change this? ------------- You obtain MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 which provides the appropriate SET TERMINAL UNDERSCORE command. As always, before asking for a new feature it's best to acquire the current release and see if it's present already. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 18:32:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 14:32:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 14:32:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Okay to Upload C-Kermit to Local BBS? Date: 1 May 1995 18:32:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 51 Message-Id: <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: C-Kermit, Local BBS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu>, anne white wrote: > Last week I downloaded C-kermit for OS/2, the new release. I was > wondering if it is okay to upload this new C-kermit to a local > bulletin board system, or is this something which Columbia > University forbids, or at least discourages. > This is a tough one. Without going through all the history and arguments, which have been rehashed a thousand times in this and other fora, our preference is that people get it straight from Columbia for various reasons, including: . "Mirrored" versions quickly become obsolete. . Anything on a BBS is perceived as "free". . There is no quality control -- files can be removed, renamed, altered, viruses injected, etc. On the other hand, we would be very pleased if Kermit software could be distributed on BBS's, mirror ftp sites, CompuServe, AOL, ..., even on CD-ROMs if the above problems did not occur AND there were some chance that the people who wind up getting the software this way would "do the right thing" and purchase the appropriate manuals from us. In our experience, this almost never happens, mostly because the proprietors of these services tend to have no interest in getting our message across for us or of supporting our work in any way. Instead, they want to attract the maximum number of users with loads of "free software". In almost every case, we lose income and our workload goes up because all of these documentationless users want help, and they contact us because our name is on the software. And to add insult to injury, in many cases (CompuServe, AOL, CD-ROMs), the service gets money for distributing our software, while depriving us of income and adding to our workload. So, yes, we "discourage" uploading of Kermit software to BBS's, commercial information services, and FTP sites from which CD-ROMs are made. > A 2nd question concerns the local bulletin board system. The > bulletin board software is Maximus version 2.02, operating under > OS/2. The system does not at this time provide a Kermit, > external file transfer protocol. Can this C-kermit, version 191, > be used in this way? What must the operator of the BBS do to use > it in this way, if it is possible? > There should be no impediment to installing C-Kermit as an external protocol on an OS/2 BBS, in theory, but the deciding factor is how the BBS software expects to interface to external protocols, and how to share the communication device between two processes. C-Kermit offers various methods, described in the accompanying CKERMIT.INF file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 18:16:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 18:16:17 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 18:16:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Date: 1 May 95 17:05:16 ETST References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the > Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, > seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, > things get even worse). > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it fixed the problem. Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me would really, really rather not know at all. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 19:59:56 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 19:59:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 19:59:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 C-Kermit 191 and character set problem Message-Id: <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel> Date: 1 May 95 17:21:04 ETST Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've noticed a tendency for C-Kermit for OS/2 191 (final release) to have special character problems after you exit from any utility based on TPU (edit/tpu, DEC Notes, etc.). My character set is latin-1. Before entering Notes, for example, if I press the compose character key (alt-c) and then enter -: I get the w division sign without any problem. After I enter Notes and exit, the above sequence gives me a / instead of the line with two dots above and below. Other characters give me a ? instead of the proper character. For instance, I get a ? instead of the Icelandic eth character. Not that I use that, in all honesty, it was just an example. If I reset my terminal (alt-=) the problem goes away. Before entering Notes or TPU, my character set is: Terminal character-sets: Local: cp850 Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) G1: latin1-iso (96 chars) GR->G2: latin1-iso (96 chars) G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) After exiting DEC Notes or TPU, we've got: Terminal character-sets: Local: cp850 Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) G1: dec-special (96 chars) GR->G2: dec-multinational (96 chars) G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) I would assume that this change is the root of the problem, since the reset puts it back. I guess my question is whether TPU-based programs don't clean up after themselves, or if C-Kermit should be resetting itself and isn't. This problem does not occur in MS-Kermit 3.14, but for all I know, MS-Kermit may not implement host-directed character set changes the same way. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 23:10:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:57:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:57:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!cello.gina.calstate.edu!cello.gina.calstate.edu!not-for-mail From: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 1 May 1995 16:10:10 -0700 Organization: GINA and CORE+ Services of The California State University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cello.gina.calstate.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it might be nice to have such an option.) Comments? Thanks, -- --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 21:13:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:59:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08091 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 1 May 1995 20:59:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!raman From: raman@mfa.com (Anil Raman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,control Subject: cmsg cancel <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Control: cancel <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Date: 1 May 1995 21:13:44 GMT Organization: Alpha.net -- Milwaukee, WI Lines: 0 Message-Id: <3o3iu8$jv6@homer.alpha.net> References: <3nj162$rss@homer.alpha.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: rocko.mfa.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue May 2 14:44:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:44:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:44:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.apps Subject: Re: OS/2 C-Kermit 191 and character set problem Date: 2 May 1995 14:44:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 95 Message-Id: <3o5gg4$88k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2660 comp.os.os2.apps:80552 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May1.172104.121387@daniel>, Paul Coen wrote: : I've noticed a tendency for C-Kermit for OS/2 191 (final release) to have : special character problems after you exit from any utility based on TPU : (edit/tpu, DEC Notes, etc.). : : My character set is latin-1. : : Before entering Notes, for example, if I press the compose character key : (alt-c) and then enter -: I get the w division sign without any problem. : : After I enter Notes and exit, the above sequence gives me a / instead of : the line with two dots above and below. Other characters give me a ? : instead of the proper character. For instance, I get a ? instead of : the Icelandic eth character. Not that I use that, in all honesty, : it was just an example. : : If I reset my terminal (alt-=) the problem goes away. : : Before entering Notes or TPU, my character set is: : : Terminal character-sets: : Local: cp850 : Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) : G1: latin1-iso (96 chars) : GR->G2: latin1-iso (96 chars) : G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) : : After exiting DEC Notes or TPU, we've got: : : Terminal character-sets: : Local: cp850 : Remote: GL->G0: ascii (94 chars) : G1: dec-special (96 chars) : GR->G2: dec-multinational (96 chars) : G3: latin1-iso (96 chars) : It seems you've answered your own question. The DEC Multinational Character Set (DEC MCS) is similar to, but not identical with, Latin-1. The differences are pretty much as noted -- DEC MCS has "undefined" cells where Latin-1 has Icelandic letters (and a couple others), and MCS has OE/oe "ligature" in place of multiply and divide. : I would assume that this change is the root of the problem, since the : reset puts it back. I guess my question is whether TPU-based programs : don't clean up after themselves, or if C-Kermit should be resetting : itself and isn't. This problem does not occur in MS-Kermit 3.14, but : for all I know, MS-Kermit may not implement host-directed character set : changes the same way. : The session log (that Paul sent under separate cover to illustrate this report) contains the following mysterious control sequences: ESC [ 1 ; 2 ' z ESC [ 1 ; 3 ' { ESC [ 0 ' z I can't find these in the VT220 Programmer Reference Manual or VT220 Programmer Pocket Guide, nor can I find them the VT320 or VT420 manual. However, if the apostrophe (') were changed to dollar-sign ($), they would be VT420 "rectangular area" functions. Prior to VT420, I don't think there were any control sequences whose final characters were "z" or "{". And since the sequences listed above are not valid for the VT420 itself, I can only speculate that either (a) your VMS session was set for an even higher VT level (e.g. 520), (b) TPU is malfunctioning, (c) TPU is using undocumented escape sequences, or (c) there is something wrong with your session log. A further piece of evidence is that your log contains some stray 8-bit ST (String Terminator) C1 controls, which are not terminating any string (such as would be introduced by DCS, APC, etc). In any case, OS/2 C-Kermit is emulating a VT220. A real VT220 does not support the Latin-1 character set, and so there is no way the host application can "save and restore" it. Once it switches your terminal to DEC MCS (as it does, by sending: ESC * < which designates DEC MCS to G2) it has no way of restoring Latin-1. For example, if it sent the proper ISO escape sequence for this, which would be: ESC * A the VT220 would not understand it. One might argue that CSI ! p (DECSTR, Soft Reset), which is supposed to restore the VT200 startup default character sets (G0..G3, GL, GR) should be interpreted by C-Kermit to restore the user's character-set configuration, as specified in the most recent SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET commands, but VAX Notes is not sending this sequence. So in summary, yes, it is not surprising that one needs to push the \Kreset button to get the character sets back to normal after a session like the one that you recorded. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 2 14:50:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:50:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 10:50:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 2 May 1995 14:50:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, Larry Powell wrote: : When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end : (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? : As explained in each one of the Kermit books, both. : In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where : the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is : supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). : Right. Also explained in the books, and in somewhat more detail in our FAQ, question 10: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt : Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the : receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) : have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? : (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does : text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being : controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it : might be nice to have such an option.) : Yes. See the FAQ and the KERMIT.UPD file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and the ckcker.upd file for C-Kermit 5A(190) (and the update notes for IBM Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1). This is a new feature in these new versions, and it works like this: when one of these Kermit is in server mode, then the other Kermit, i.e. the client, controls the transfer mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 00:45:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 2 May 1995 22:35:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19862 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 2 May 1995 22:35:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Date: 3 May 1995 00:45:05 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3o6jmh$cd3@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3n48v0$qp8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,<3n8mpb$9la@hustle.rahul.net> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu STEPHAN NOORDAM (noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl) wrote: : It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the : Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, : seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, : things get even worse). I think I recall something in the docs for the PCMCIA slot modem that I have that says to turn off the power management in the PC. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 04:21:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24439 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 04:21:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 04:21:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Date: Wed, 03 May 95 01:36:24 MEZ Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 57 Message-Id: <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2663 comp.infosystems.www.users:26095 alt.hypertext:9179 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) writes: > >In article , monty@indirect.com says... >> >>From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >>connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >>packet driver. My powerful Toshiba T 1000 SE with Floppy (!) and D:\ Drive, should I buy me another 1 Meg ram-drive ?... > >Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can >be gotten. > >> I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >>establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >>elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >>Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >>having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). >> >>Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >>does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >>addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >>TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, > I think thats about Doslynx, UKansas... Has anybody seen the bitter comment on Cello..? Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... >The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as >Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that >Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously >haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of >the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be >well enough organized to allow this. > >>browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Somebody from Minuet annonced to me, that the next Version of this exellent Dos Programm, with nice gopher-client, will have a web-browser. Anyway, Minuet is our thing, never got Kermit via Slip to work. >You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested >interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems >to people. > >>If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! > >I'm a soloist, myself. > >>sincerely appreciated. TIA. > >No need for profanity here. > > Tralala. PS.: kermit.columbia.edu is terribly slow. Any mirrors ????? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 07:49:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09318 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 09:36:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!zib-berlin.de!informatik.tu-muenchen.de!lrz-muenchen.de!usenet From: Peter Schmolck Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Date: 3 May 1995 07:49:37 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 19 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3o7cih$3j0@sunserver.lrz-muenchen.de> References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: peacockv.paed.unibw-muenchen.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) To: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de wrote: > Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... The following "mono" definition works fine (Lynx, too) with my old laptop. If the external monitor is plugged in, I just enter "color" at the MS-Kermit prompt. define color set term color 0 34 47, - set term under 0 33 47 ; Underscore simulation colors. define mono set term color 20 32 40 ; works with LCD display mono -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Sat Apr 29 11:18:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 10:03:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 10:03:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais3.cais.com!agm From: agm@cais3.cais.com (Adam Guasch-Melendez) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Date: 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service info@cais.com 703-448-4470 Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cais3.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2665 comp.infosystems.www.users:26123 alt.hypertext:9183 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: -- snip, snip -- : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. I can't remember where I picked it up, but here are two places to look: 1) Yahoo (of course) 2) University of Kansas home page (they created Lynx) Here's *my* wish - Lynx for Windoze. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 16:04:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 12:04:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 12:04:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!locarno.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@locarno.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Date: 3 May 1995 16:04:07 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3o89hn$lvs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: locarno.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2666 comp.infosystems.www.users:26133 alt.hypertext:9185 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Adam Guasch-Melendez says: |Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing |my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). The original poster mentioned it (the "TurboVision pretender"). I agree with him in that it is an abysmally bad program; a straight Lynx port to DOS would've worked _far_ better. -- Yeechang Lee | http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ | Nevada Las Vegas Mission'92-'94 From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 22:04:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23656 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:11:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:11:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!boingo.amil.jhu.edu!blaze.cs.jhu.edu!darwin.sura.net!martha.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: rkutai@martha.utcc.utk.edu (Raymond Steven Kutai) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: mskermit 3.14 Date: 3 May 1995 18:04:46 -0400 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: martha.utcc.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am thinking of upgrading from 3.13 to 3.14 for DOS. I tried at kermit.columbia.edu but I can't decide which file I need to download. Also, is 3.14 still in beta? Thank you much. --- rsk 05.03.95 -- +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ Raymond Steven Kutai "Think imaginary!" -- Stephen Hawking rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~rkutai +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-+ From news@columbia.edu Mon May 1 01:47:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:44:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 3 May 1995 20:44:11 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!hookup!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 with Warp IAK X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net> <1995Apr26.135750.48776@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 01:47:07 GMT Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3nkjiu$olb@ftp.netgate.net>, awu@ftp.netgate.net writes: : > Hi, : > : > Does anyone know how to use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a Telnet client in a : > DOS session under OS/2 Warp while using IAK's PPP connection? C-Kermit : > for OS/2 5A(191) works quite well, but MS-Kermit does not recognize : > the existance of TCP/IP connection established by IAK. TIA. : ----------- : MS-DOS Kermit is, as the name says, a DOS program. That means : it has no contact with the resident OS/2 TCP/IP stack, nor with the : resident PPP driver. If there is an Int 14h style presenter then MSK : should work with it, but so far I haven't heard of one. : It's difficult for many people to realize that OS/2, NT, Windows, : Unix, etc are vastly different environments that DOS and that DOS programs : (or programs written for another of the above) simply don't integrate into : the particular protected mode very peculiar environment that these systems : represent. These o/s' hand out system resources, say a TCP/IP stack, only : to programs designed and written specifically for them in toto. : Joe D. -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 02:49:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 03:30:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13745 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 03:30:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!paladin.american.edu!news.ecn.uoknor.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 02:49:20 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 39 Message-Id: <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu> References: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, >Larry Powell wrote: >: When doing a kermit protocol file transfer in text mode, which end >: (sender or receiver) does the actual text translation? >: >As explained in each one of the Kermit books, both. > >: In a related sense, current versions of kermit seem to be setup where >: the sender sets the filetype (TEXT or BINARY) and the receiver is >: supposed to change itself to match (no matter what its current setting). >: >Right. Also explained in the books, and in somewhat more detail in our >FAQ, question 10: > > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/faq.txt > >: Combining these questions, I was wondering if there was some way the >: receiving kermit (probably MS-Kermit 3.14 or CKermit) could (or does ?) >: have an option to force the receive filetype to what the receiver wants? >: (This would be most useful if it is the receiving program that does >: text translation.) (It would be ok to have this setting default to being >: controlled by the sender (as it is now and would ordinarily be) but it >: might be nice to have such an option.) >: >Yes. See the FAQ and the KERMIT.UPD file for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and the >ckcker.upd file for C-Kermit 5A(190) (and the update notes for IBM >Mainframe Kermit 4.3.1). This is a new feature in these new versions, and >it works like this: when one of these Kermit is in server mode, then the >other Kermit, i.e. the client, controls the transfer mode. > >- Frank > Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 09:14:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 05:38:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 05:38:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!thatches.demon.co.uk!graham From: Graham Stokes Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Sudden inexplicable failure Date: 4 May 1995 10:14:43 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 19 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: graham@thatches.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: thatches.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Kermit all the time for occasional machine-machine transfers. Suddenly, after upgrading one system from SYS5R4 to 4.2 Kermit has developed an unhealthy attitude. It starts a transfer fine, but invariably enters a retry phase which terminates with the message "Too many NAKs". Every time, even with small files and small packet sizes. I've recompiled it of course, and also tried different physical ports at both ends. Same thing. Every time. Has anybody ever seen this message before (and found a solution) ? Any help appreciated. Regards -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graham Stokes EMail graham@thatches.demon.co.uk | From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:43:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:43:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10687 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:43:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: mskermit 3.14 Date: 4 May 1995 12:43:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3oai5f$adr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o8ulu$bvl@martha.utk.edu>, Raymond Steven Kutai wrote: : I am thinking of upgrading from 3.13 to 3.14 for DOS. I tried : at kermit.columbia.edu but I can't decide which file I need to : download. : Also, is 3.14 still in beta? : It was released in January. : Raymond Steven Kutai "Think imaginary!" -- Stephen Hawking : rkutai@utkux.utcc.utk.edu http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/~rkutai : ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Since you are a Web user, just visit our Web site: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ You'll find everything very easily this way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:46:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28962 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:46:35 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10895 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:46:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 12:46:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3oaib1$akb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu>, Michael DeCosta III wrote: > Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank > is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. > Try looking up "text" and "binary" in the index. But again, the "whatami" (client/server) business is new, and so you'll also have to consult the update file (or FAQ) about it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 12:51:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:51:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11179 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 08:51:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Sudden inexplicable failure Date: 4 May 1995 12:51:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3oaik5$at4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <792124718wnr@thatches.demon.co.uk>, Graham Stokes wrote: >We use Kermit all the time for occasional machine-machine transfers. >Suddenly, after upgrading one system from SYS5R4 to 4.2 Kermit has >developed an unhealthy attitude. It starts a transfer fine, but >invariably enters a retry phase which terminates with the message "Too >many NAKs". Every time, even with small files and small packet sizes. >I've recompiled it of course, and also tried different physical ports >at both ends. Same thing. Every time. > In general, it is always a good idea to recompile your non-vendor- supplied applications (the ones for which you have source code) when installing a new OS release. You can't expect software to keep working when the world changes out from underneath it. If you do, and you are disappointed, then it's the OS vendor's responsibility, not the application's. For Kermit, you might need a different makefile entry. If you had been more specific about your exact platform, I might have been able to be more specific about which makefile entry to use. But it's not hard to locate it yourself. Just read the comments at the top of the makefile. And make sure you have the latest release, which is 5A(190). If you still have problems after doing that, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu with the detailed specifics. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 15:10:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 09:07:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 09:06:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.tamu.edu!monk.austin.cc.tx.us!monk.austin.cc.tx.us!not-for-mail From: tsecrest@monk.austin.cc.tx.us (Tom Secrest) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP .. C-Kermit upload Date: 3 May 1995 10:10:50 -0500 Organization: Austin Community College Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3o86dq$a5l@monk.austin.cc.tx.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: monk.austin.cc.tx.us X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any C-Kermit gurus out there, I need help. I use ProComm Plus for windows v2.11. THE PROBLEM: When I get to the kermit prompt and type "receive" the computer ask that I return to local kermit and issue a send command. Before I can do that, "#N3" appears on the screen and everything seems to lock up. When I try the send command ProComm prints an "abort, file read error" notice on the bottom of the screen. Eventually, the C-kermit prompt returns with the message "ny retries 0". As far as I can tell, the file is formated correctly, and the kermit protocol in ProComm is setup correctly. If you have any suggestions I sure would like to hear from you. Just thread'm here. Thanks for your help. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 18:27:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 20:54:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 20:54:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol text translation? Date: 4 May 1995 18:27:28 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3ob6ag$68j@news.ysu.edu> References: <3oaib1$akb@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o5gs5$8pu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3o3poi$b81@cello.gina.calstate.edu> <3o9f Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) says: >In article <3o9fbh$eg1@news.ysu.edu>, >Michael DeCosta III wrote: >> Could anyone post the page numbers in the MSKermit 3.13 manual that Frank >> is referring to? I too would like to read up on this dry stuff. >> >Try looking up "text" and "binary" in the index. > >But again, the "whatami" (client/server) business is new, and so you'll >also have to consult the update file (or FAQ) about it. > >- Frank > Thanks Frank, that was where the info I wasn't finding was. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 13:12:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 4 May 1995 22:07:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01185 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 4 May 1995 22:07:06 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!newsfeed.ed.ac.uk!ainews!news From: Alasdair MacLean Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Sender: news@aisb.ed.ac.uk (Network News Administrator) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Dept AI, Edinburgh University, Scotland References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:12:12 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2676 comp.infosystems.www.users:26217 alt.hypertext:9209 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sure Miss Piggy will have something to say about it for starters ! -- -Alasdair [ The opinions expressed are my own and are therefore undeniably correct] [ beyond a shadow of a doubt. ] Alasdair MacLean, University of Edinburgh, Dept. of Artificial Intelligence, 5 Forrest Hill, Edinburgh, EH1 2QL tel. (+44) 0131 650 4497 fax. 0131-650-6899 email alasdair@aifh.ed.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 14:08:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02697 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:05:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:05:31 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maybe YOU can help me ? Message-Id: <1995May4.200852.49785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 May 95 20:08:52 MDT References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il>, eilon ginsburg writes: > Hey Frank, > > Seems that you know what you'r talking about, so here is my story > :-) > I'm using Internet to log on into various BBS systems. I do this > using Telnet from FTP. Problem is that when I want to download a > file from one of those BBS - the Telnet application does not > support upload download protocols like Zmodem etc. Is there any > Telnet package that does support file transmissions ? any other > udea ? -------------- You didn't say, and these days one can't be sure, but I will presume you are on a DOS PC. Right? In that case obtain binary file msvibm.zip from directory kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. On the other hands, if you are using OS/2 then you can use MS-DOS Kermit above but you would probably be happier with native OS/2 Kermit. Look in the c-kermit directory and kermit/bin for those files. Unix flavoring is available with C Kermit for zillions of Unix boxes, see the same place. What these will give you in your situation is Kermit file transfer over Telnet, as well as over serial lines and so forth, plus Telnet with very good terminal emulation. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 00:50:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:58:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19026 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 02:58:35 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.tamu.edu!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!nott!cunews!boris!rmallett From: rmallett@boris.ccs.carleton.ca (Rick Mallett) Subject: Problems with remote cd in server mode X-Nntp-Posting-Host: boris.carleton.ca Message-Id: Sender: news@cunews.carleton.ca (News Administrator) Organization: Carleton University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 00:50:23 GMT Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to automate download to a given directory for my users. I have a TCL script that produces the following `take' file. set delay 1 apc server set command quoting on remote cd c:\rick\junk set command quoting off send autoftp aaaa fin Assuming this script is stored in a file called blotto, I invoke kermit as follows: kermit -C "take, blotto, quit" I'm using C-Kermit-5A(190) and MS-Kermit 3.14 with `apc on', and server `cd/cwd' enabled. The file is automatically downloaded but not to the specified directory. Can anyone see what I am doing wrong? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Mallett Carleton University Email address: rmallett@ccs.carleton.ca ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:22:58 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:23:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:23:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with remote cd in server mode Date: 5 May 1995 13:22:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3od8ri$ja0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Rick Mallett wrote: This should be > > set delay 1 > apc server > set command quoting OFF > remote cd c:\rick\junk > set command quoting ON > send autoftp aaaa > fin > Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 21:11:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:38:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21175 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 09:38:15 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!omnifest.uwm.edu!not-for-mail From: wlinden@omnifest.uwm.edu (Wynne Linden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: download command Date: 4 May 1995 16:11:35 -0500 Organization: Omnifest Lines: 9 Distribution: na Message-Id: <3obfu7$brk@omnifest.uwm.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.89.70.58 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Having used comm software before I understand the process of downloading. I am trying out c-kermit on my RS-6000 because of problems I had with a previous software. Anyhow, I can't find anything that tells me how to get to my end/kermit to issue the receive command. Do I type ctrl-something? I know I need to type "receive file" but what do I type to get to the prompt so I can type "receive file"? I tried to down load a file and boy was I embarassed when I realized I didn't know what to do after I received the go ahead from here (omnifest) and I didn't know what to press or type. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 05:48:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 18:35:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 18:35:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Message-Id: <1995May5.114847.49869@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 11:48:47 MDT References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 94 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: > In article <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>> In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>>>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>>>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>>>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>>>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>>>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>>>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. >> Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit >>server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make >>a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs >>now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are >>powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't >>use unless *really* needed. > > I know all this and I agree that my client may not take the ideal > approach to attempting to recover the situation. This is not the issue > here, what I want to know is why C-Kermit is ignoring the GF packet in > the first place. > >> C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as >>your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. > > No it does not. Look again. > >> Your E packet also shows. > > And like I said this was sent to force a reset *after* the server failed > to respond to the GF packet. After this reset the next GF packet worked. > >> Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. > > What happened to the first GF packet? Not the one I sent after > resetting the server. > >>>>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (long data packet truncated). >>>> >>>>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>>>r-00-01-% GD S >>>>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>>>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>>>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>>>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>>>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>>>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>>>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>>>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>>>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>>>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>>>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>>>r-05-09-$%Y"B > > This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is > reproducable, it's not a comms problem). > >>>>r-00-19-# N3 >>>>#-00-19- > > What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! Well, it means two things. First, the obvious one is a NAK was received and C Kermit declared it to be an echo of what it sent. This makes more sense as we look at the receive packet sequence numbers, the second pair of digits in the debug log. There is a gap of about ten of them above and that suggests C Kermit went back to being a quiet server and sent NAKs out now and then. The log picks up one echo and CK ignores it. Could your program be sending the NAK by any chance? Taken together with your earlier comments on flow control problems and extra padding etc (see the MS-DOS Kermit log for details) it does appear that the wire part of the circuit is not behaving well. Given that, CK may never have heard your first GF packet or if it did then maybe the packet was mangled to be a non-packet and hence not logged by CK. MSK logs everything, rational or not, as we have noticed. Beyond this I think Frank da Cruz needs to plug in his crystal ball and beam it in this direction. Joe D. > OK my client is desparate now so it sends an E and I packet to reset > the server. > >>>>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>>>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX > > OK the server is listening again so let's try the GF command. > >>>>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>>>s-00-31-# Y> > > This time the GF packet worked. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 18:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 21:44:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 21:44:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!news.zynet.co.uk!news From: imclark@westexe.zynet.co.uk (Ian M Clark) Subject: Please Help - Kermit closing under Windows X-Nntp-Posting-Host: westexe.zynet.co.uk Message-Id: Sender: news@zynet.net (Zynet News Admin) Organization: Zynet Ltd X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.46 Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 18:52:00 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have a 486 PC (Elonex 450/I) which runs Kermit 3.14 as a DOS window under Windows 3.1. When the user runs Kermit, it will occasionally close the window as soon as a key is pressed. The Kermit session is programmed to 'Connect' immediately via the MSKERMIT.INI. The F9 has been programmed to 'exit' the session when pressed and close the window. This PC is the only one to misbehave from a batch of five identically configured. Any ideas very welcome, thanks in advance. ---------------- Ian M Clark - Tiverton, England -------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 08:52:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:02:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:02:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 04 May 1995 08:52:28 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 104 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk's message of 21 Apr 1995 16:12:36 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Don't you just hate people who follow-up there own articles just to keep them alive? :-) Well I'm sorry but I feel that since may posting was one of the few on comp.protocols.kermit.misc that actually was a question about the Kermit *protocol* it should not be allowed to die without a second chance. Maybe it didn't get out, I just noticed that my mad news software had given it a "Distribution: local" In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >I suspect that C-Kermit 5A(190) server may require "I" packets where >the protocol says they are optional. > >I have my own software implementing Kermit protocols to allow a host >application (written in M) to access the terminal's filesystem. > >This is what is does to read the directory > * Issue an APC command "SERVER" > * Initialise exchange parameters > * Issue a Kermit generic directory command > * Receive the reply > * Issue a Kermit generic finish command > >When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. > >Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (lond data packet truncated). > >r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >r-00-01-% GD S >s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >r-01-00-$!Y"> >s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >r-02-00-$"Y"? >s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >r-03-08-$#Y"@ >s-04-08-$$Z"B >r-04-09-$$Y"A >s-05-09-$%B"+ >r-05-09-$%Y"B >r-00-19-# N3 >#-00-19- >r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >r-00-31-$ GF4 >s-00-31-# Y> > >Here is MS-KERMIT's packet.log under similar circumstances (please >ignore the retrys caused by the lame flow contol). > >Rpack: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S#^M >Spack: ^A0 Y~% @-#Y2 N!"\6^M >Rpack: ^A% GD S^M >Spack: ^A0 S~( @-#Y2~N?"\-^M >Rpack: ^A0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S(^M >Spack: ^A(!Xdir ( ^M >Rpack: ^A$!Y">^M >Spack: ^AG"A1#588!!1#119950421 17:06:18."U8""B8=O^M >Rpack: ^A$"Y"?^M >Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial > Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG > 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^A$#N"5^M >Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial > Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG > 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >Rpack: ^A$#Y"@^M >Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB > 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^A$$N"6^M >Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB > 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >Rpack: ^A$$Y"A^M >Spack: ^A %D!!. 20/06/94 14:54#M#JPENT > 19/04/95 10:08#M#JPFE (/^M >Rpack: ^A$%Y"B^M >Spack: ^A &D!8F 19/04/95 11:59#M#J 9 fil >e(s) 644,567 bytes#M#J 10,100,736 ::^M >Rpack: ^A$&Y"C^M >Spack: ^A2'Dbytes free#M#J5C^M >Rpack: ^A$'Y"D^M >Spack: ^A$(Z"F^M >Rpack: ^A$(Y"E^M >Spack: ^A$)B"/^M >Rpack: ^A$)Y"F^M >Rpack: ^A$ GF4^M >Spack: ^A, Y Goodbye!Q^M -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 06:08:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07816 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:30:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:30:40 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!crash!cwr From: cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Distribution: inet Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 06:08:54 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 45 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2684 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:27847 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale E. Reed (Dale.Reed@ab.com) wrote: : Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: : Dale.Reed@ab.com : Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems : changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears : that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE : (the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save : my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) : D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? : D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? : D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! : D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) : (I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) : I keep a shadow of D:\TCPIP\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD in my Startup folder. : Thus changing configuration doesn't change what gets started. : Here's the weird part: the TCPSTART.CMD file written to BOTH places : (D:\CKERMIT and D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN) has in it: (my emphasis again!) The whole thing is wierd, if you ask me... I haven't seen anything like this at all. There are no tcp/ip related command files in my kermit directory, and I can't see how the install script would produce them. I have a mess of command files in the TCPIP\BIN directory, none of which refer to kermit, and two files, setup.cmd and tcpstart.cmd in TCPIP\DOS\BIN which are identical to those in TCPIP\BIN. TCPSTART.CMD refers to B4TCP.CMD and TCPEXIT.CMD files that are in TCPIP\BIN already. And the TCP/IP notebook settings can be changed without any problem. I have Kermit run from a desktop icon, and it's dlls and so on aren't on the path - perhaps this makes a difference. But I'd be inclined to try editing the command files to take out the ckermit directory before trying anything else. Good luck - Will cwr@crash.cts.com From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:21:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:37:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 22:37:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!warwick!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 05 May 1995 13:21:49 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 82 Message-Id: References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 4 May 95 17:33:22 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >> In article B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: >>>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. > Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit >server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make >a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs >now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are >powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't >use unless *really* needed. I know all this and I agree that my client may not take the ideal approach to attempting to recover the situation. This is not the issue here, what I want to know is why C-Kermit is ignoring the GF packet in the first place. > C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as >your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. No it does not. Look again. > Your E packet also shows. And like I said this was sent to force a reset *after* the server failed to respond to the GF packet. After this reset the next GF packet worked. > Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. What happened to the first GF packet? Not the one I sent after resetting the server. >>>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (long data packet truncated). >>> >>>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>>r-00-01-% GD S >>>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>>r-05-09-$%Y"B This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is reproducable, it's not a comms problem). >>>r-00-19-# N3 >>>#-00-19- What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! OK my client is desparate now so it sends an E and I packet to reset the server. >>>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX OK the server is listening again so let's try the GF command. >>>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>>s-00-31-# Y> This time the GF packet worked. -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 13:41:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09273 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 5 May 1995 23:07:24 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 5 May 1995 23:07:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!hookup!noc.tor.hookup.net!news From: gborges@geoware.com (George Borges) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 2 Kermits on RSX-11M? Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 13:41:14 GMT Organization: GeoWare Software Design Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net> Reply-To: gborges@geoware.com Nntp-Posting-Host: nlsis.dylex.com X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's a question for you... Are there any caveats I should be aware of (or can it even be done) regarding running two Kermit servers on one ancient PDP-11 (running RSX-11M)? Thanks for any help. George. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 22:33:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18037 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 08:36:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 08:36:09 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!news.demon.co.uk!conn From: shaun@conn.demon.co.uk (Shaun Conn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where to get latest kermit for Vax 400? Date: 5 May 1995 23:33:38 +0100 Organization: Demon Internet Lines: 10 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <3oe942$qvk@imp.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: newnews.demon.co.uk X-Nntp-Posting-Host: conn.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Please email me if you have any ideas where to get the latest kermit for the vax. TIA. ------------------------------------- Shaun Conn Email : shaun@conn.demon.co.uk Compuserve : 100277,1324 ------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 16:15:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 09:07:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 09:07:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!clp From: clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VJ compression Date: 5 May 1995 16:15:01 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does the program that is included in the MSK .zip which provides packet driver support for SLIP connections handle VJ compression? I tried MSK 3.14 with a SLIP connection for the first time recently and while it seemed that it was sending properly, nothing was ever displayed. My recollection is that this is a symptom of failing to handle compression. The .doc file for the program notes a couple of switches which are not explained. Do any of these turn on compression handling? CLP From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 02:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19359 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:47:39 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24564 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:47:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!pasture.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: turn Kermit into an HTTP proxy server? Date: 6 May 1995 02:41:40 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3oenl4$d1s@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pasture.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems to me that Kermit offers a darn nice base of features for building an HTTP proxy on. What I'm thinking of is a way to let people browse the Web with their choice of browsers, but without an IP connection. It could work by starting a Kermit server on the host side, then putting the remote Kermit into an "HTTP proxy" mode. The remote Kermit would then listen on a local port (80) for queries, package those queries, send them to the host Kermit and wait for a response. The host Kermit could use a command line browser to process the query, and then send the result back to the remote Kermit. The remote Kermit would then echo this result to the browser. This requires a server-mode data connection, the ability to send and receive binary files over 7 and 8 bit "dirty" connections, and the ability to run external programs. It seems to me that Kermit has all of this already. So...is it feasible? Is anyone working on such a project? --kyler From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 13:41:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:54:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25072 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 11:54:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!clp From: clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Date: 6 May 1995 13:41:40 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3ofual$nbp@sundog.tiac.net> References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > There are other SLIP Packet Drivers around and some do support >VJ compression. > Joe D. Can you recommend a specific driver or a source for drivers? TIA, CLP From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 16:49:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 12:49:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 12:49:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!manila.cc.columbia.edu!ylee From: ylee@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Date: 6 May 1995 16:49:47 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3og9bb$s77@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> <3ofual$nbp@sundog.tiac.net> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: manila.cc.columbia.edu X-Disclaimer: I sure as heck don't speak for Columbia or AcIS. Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Clifford Pelletier says: |Can you recommend a specific driver or a source for drivers? Try slipper.exe and cslipper.exe, available at ftp://oak.oakland.edu/SimTel/msdos/pktdrvr/slippr15.zip. Better performance and reliability than slip8250. -- Yeechang Lee | http://www.columbia.edu/~ylee/ | Nevada Las Vegas Mission'92-'94 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 16:15:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 15:52:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11576 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 15:52:28 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (Internet Direct Admin) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 16:15:54 GMT References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT, Adam Guasch-Melendez (agm@cais3.cais.com) wrote: > Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > -- snip, snip -- > : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or > : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- > : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some > : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for > : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of > : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in > : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it > : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these > : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems > : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web > : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing > my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). DOSLYNX is the "TurboVision pretender" to which I alluded in my post. At least on the surface, DOSLYNX isn't the same program as Lynx at all. The TurboVision ANSI-graphic menu interface of DOSLYNX is wholly unlike the curses-based ASCII Lynx browser. In a nutshell, I like Lynx a lot, but I don't like DOSLYNX at all. > Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run > DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. A mistaken assumption. It hardly works at all. DOSLYNX "hangs" my system almost every time I try to use it. And it's dog slow. And butt-ugly. (Did I mention I don't like DOSLYNX?) I was actually hoping to see a response from Frank and/or Joe to my post. I'm mostly interested in knowing the answer to the question, "Is it possible to port the curses-based Lynx browser to MS-DOS?" I'm not asking them to do it; I'm just posing the question of its feasibility. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com Tempe, Arizona USA From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 16:32:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 16:13:56 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 16:13:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!salliemae!uunet!news1.cle.ab.com!usenet From: Dale.Reed@ab.com (Dale E. Reed) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Date: 4 May 1995 16:32:14 GMT Organization: Allen-Bradley Company, Highland Heights, Ohio Lines: 63 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Reply-To: Dale@columbia.edu, Reed@ab.com (Dale E. Reed) Nntp-Posting-Host: wd8mln.cle.ab.com X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2693 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:27971 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: Dale.Reed@ab.com Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE (the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) (I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) I keep a shadow of D:\TCPIP\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD in my Startup folder. Thus changing configuration doesn't change what gets started. Here's the weird part: the TCPSTART.CMD file written to BOTH places (D:\CKERMIT and D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN) has in it: (my emphasis again!) echo CONFIGURING TCP/IP ..... IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\B4TCP.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\B4TCP.CMD !!!! IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\SETUP.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\SETUP.CMD !!!! echo ..... FINISHED CONFIGURING TCP/IP and: echo ..... FINISHED STARTING THE TCP/IP PROCESSES IF EXIST D:\CKERMIT\TCPEXIT.CMD CALL D:\CKERMIT\TCPEXIT.CMD !!!! echo ..... EXITING TCPSTART.CMD ..... 1.) Since B4TCP.CMD, SETUP.CMD and TCPEXIT.CMD are not in the D:\ckermit directory, they never get executed by the TCPSTART.CMD created by TCPIPCFG.EXE. (SETUP.CMD just has useless stuff in it like "ifconfig", "route", etc.!!!!! Nothing important!!!) 2.) How did C-Kermit manage to change the path used by TCPIPCFG.EXE to store its files? There's no environment variable that points to D:\TCPIP\BIN; do I need one? Or is there a .DLL that is found and its path used? Why is the storage path for TCPSTART.CMD changed but not the path for SETUP.CMD? Are there any command-line parameters to TCPIPCFG.EXE to tell it explicitly the path to use for SETUP.CMD, TCPSTART.CMD, etc.? I tried changing the "Working Directory" in the program object, but that didn't change anything. I have it configured manually, but it would be nice to be able to use the Settings Notebook and have the changes work! Regards, Dale Reed WD8MLN This post represents my own views and Allen-Bradley Company not those of Allen-Bradley or its Highland Heights, Ohio parent, Rockwell International. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 21:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 19:20:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26987 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 19:20:40 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.datasrv.co.il!usenet From: eilon ginsburg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maybe YOU can help me ? Date: 4 May 1995 21:15:40 GMT Organization: datasrv.co.il Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3obg5s$qj8@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <3o2pfk$t3b@crcnis3.unl.edu> <3o39f0$vn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: comft.datasrv.co.il Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1b3 (Windows; I; 16bit) To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hey Frank, Seems that you know what you'r talking about, so here is my story :-) I'm using Internet to log on into various BBS systems. I do this using Telnet from FTP. Problem is that when I want to download a file from one of those BBS - the Telnet application does not support upload download protocols like Zmodem etc. Is there any Telnet package that does support file transmissions ? any other udea ? Thanks in advance Eilon Ginsburg From news@columbia.edu Thu May 4 10:02:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! (Why not?) Message-Id: <1995May4.160246.49747@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 May 95 16:02:46 MDT References: <3nt79a$b7a@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > On 29 Apr 1995 11:18:02 GMT, Adam Guasch-Melendez (agm@cais3.cais.com) wrote: >> Jim Monty (monty@indirect.com) wrote: > >> -- snip, snip -- >> : Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >> : does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >> : addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >> : TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, I'd never ask Santa for >> : anything else ever again. Am I the only luser who sees the wisdom of >> : porting Lynx to MS-DOS and using it in tandem with Kermit and its built-in >> : TCP/IP? Is it simply not possible? Is there no curses for MS-DOS? If it >> : is possible, would the port be a huge undertaking? I read these >> : newsgroups regularly, and I've never seen anyone even mention what seems >> : to me the logical next step in the development of text-based Web >> : browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > >> Lynx *is* available for DOS - I have a copy, which I use for previewing >> my own HTML docs (along with three or four graphics browsers). > > DOSLYNX is the "TurboVision pretender" to which I alluded in my post. At > least on the surface, DOSLYNX isn't the same program as Lynx at all. The > TurboVision ANSI-graphic menu interface of DOSLYNX is wholly unlike the > curses-based ASCII Lynx browser. In a nutshell, I like Lynx a lot, but I > don't like DOSLYNX at all. > >> Since I use Windoze software for my PPP connection, I haven't actually run >> DOSLynx (yes, that's the name) on the net, but I assume it works fairly well. > > A mistaken assumption. It hardly works at all. DOSLYNX "hangs" my system > almost every time I try to use it. And it's dog slow. And butt-ugly. (Did > I mention I don't like DOSLYNX?) > > I was actually hoping to see a response from Frank and/or Joe to my post. > I'm mostly interested in knowing the answer to the question, "Is it > possible to port the curses-based Lynx browser to MS-DOS?" I'm not asking > them to do it; I'm just posing the question of its feasibility. -------------- I'll take a stab at answering. Curses for DOS? Surely you gest my good man. I have no idea of what the Lynx packages are like beneath the covers or what they want for low level transport services, and all that jazz. In short, I've never looked at them. From what I can infer you want a vastly different terminal emulation, one which also reads the screen and/or data stream to gather pointers to places and such. That is a serious undertaking and not something I'd recommend to casual programmers; MSK is intricate and tight code, as anyone can see by looking at the sources. We have no intention of isolating the TCP/IP stack from the rest of the program, though that's what I deduce you want to do. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 3 17:41:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:20:32 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!uwvax!newssinet!news.u-tokyo.ac.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!news.join.ad.jp!aoba!akiu!sakunami!yagi!uchid12 From: uchid12@ec.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp (Ryuichiro Isobe) Subject: Where is the source of `OS/2 C-kermit5A(191)'?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: <1995May3.174119.25721@ecei.tohoku.ac.jp> Lines: 14 Sender: news@ecei.tohoku.ac.jp Nntp-Posting-Host: eiai3 Organization: Departments of Electrical Engineering, Electrical Communications, Electronics Engineering, and Information Engineering, Faculty of Engineering, Tohoku University, Sendai, 980 Japan X-Newsreader: mnews [version 1.18PL3] 1994-08/01(Mon) Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:41:19 GMT Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where is the source of `OS/2 C-kermit5A(191)'?? I searched at `/pub/kermit/f' in `kermit.columbia.edu'. I found 5A(190),but I couldn't find 5A(191). Please tell me. ----- Sorry for my broken english. :-) Ryuichiro ISOBE uchid12@ec.ecei.tohoku.ac.jp ermit 5A(190) server may require "I" packets where >>the protocol says they are optional. >> >>I have my own software implementing Kermit protocols to allow a host >>application (written in M) to access the terminal's filesystem. >> >>This is what is does to read the directory >> * Issue an APC command "SERVER" >> * Initialise exchange parameters >> * Issue a Kermit generic directory command >> * Receive the reply >> * Issue a Kermit generic finish command >> >>When the terminal is MS-KERMIT 3.13.0 it works fine when the terminal >>is C-Kermit 5A(190) then the generic finish command is ignored (it's >>not even logged in the packet log). My software first sends a "N" >>packet (in case the server had send a "S" and I had missed it) >>followed by an "E" packet and finally sends an "I" packet, after which >>C-Kermit will accept the "GF" packet. Hmmm. I don't think you want to do all that. First, a Kermit server sits around waiting for a client to start a session and make a request. It does NOT send S packets while waiting. It may send NAKs now and then to stimulate old clock-less Kermit clients. E packets are powerful things because they terminate a file transfer operation; don't use unless *really* needed. C Kermit did see the GF packet, ACK'd it, and logged both, as your C Kermit packet log below clearly shows. Your E packet also shows. Now then, I've lost track of what was the real question. Joe D. >>Here is C-Kermit's packet.log (lond data packet truncated). >> >>r-00-00-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>s-00-00-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>r-00-01-% GD S >>s-00-01-5 S~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___AP >>r-00-01-0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S( >>s-01-01-*!Xls -l ); >>r-01-00-$!Y"> >>s-02-00-2"A."U1"#AMJ*!A@ -T >>r-02-00-$"Y"? >>s-03-04- #D08Rtotal 5349#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staff 1024 Apr 5 12:54 backup.home#M#Jdrwxr-xr-x 2 bam staf >>r-03-08-$#Y"@ >>s-04-08-$$Z"B >>r-04-09-$$Y"A >>s-05-09-$%B"+ >>r-05-09-$%Y"B >>r-00-19-# N3 >>#-00-19- >>r-00-29-E EToo many retries (expecting SXBFY)U >>r-00-30-0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S# >>s-00-30-5 Y~* @-#Y2~^!5$0___CX >>r-00-31-$ GF4 >>s-00-31-# Y> >> >>Here is MS-KERMIT's packet.log under similar circumstances (please >>ignore the retrys caused by the lame flow contol). >> >>Rpack: ^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^A0 I~\ @-#Y2 J 5S#^M >>Spack: ^A0 Y~% @-#Y2 N!"\6^M >>Rpack: ^A% GD S^M >>Spack: ^A0 S~( @-#Y2~N?"\-^M >>Rpack: ^A0 Y~\ @-#N2 J 5S(^M >>Spack: ^A(!Xdir ( ^M >>Rpack: ^A$!Y">^M >>Spack: ^AG"A1#588!!1#119950421 17:06:18."U8""B8=O^M >>Rpack: ^A$"Y"?^M >>Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial >> Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG >> 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >>:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >>Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^G^A$#N"5^M >>Spack: ^A #D"W #M#J Volume in drive K is OTHER #M#J Volume Serial >> Number is 0B01-07F7#M#J Directory of K:\TEMP#M#J#M#JPACKET LOG >> 0 21/04/95 17:04#M#J$KERMIT$ TMP 0 21/04/95 17 >>:06#M#JXXX RTN 644,567 21/04/95 14:H,^M >>Rpack: ^A$#Y"@^M >>Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >>IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB >> 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >>Rpack: ^G^G^G^G^A$$N"6^M >>Spack: ^A $D![$07#M#JLANNFS 20/02/95 13:36#M#JPR >>IMED 19/04/95 8:54#M#JQEDVB >> 27/02/95 9:48#M#JWGPO YB^M >>Rpack: ^A$$Y"A^M >>Spack: ^A %D!!. 20/06/94 14:54#M#JPENT >> 19/04/95 10:08#M#JPFE (/^M >>Rpack: ^A$%Y"B^M >>Spack: ^A &D!8F 19/04/95 11:59#M#J 9 fil >>e(s) 644,567 bytes#M#J 10,100,736 ::^M >>Rpack: ^A$&Y"C^M >>Spack: ^A2'Dbytes free#M#J5C^M >>Rpack: ^A$'Y"D^M >>Spack: ^A$(Z"F^M >>Rpack: ^A$(Y"E^M >>Spack: ^A$)B"/^M >>Rpack: ^A$)Y"F^M >>Rpack: ^A$ GF4^M >>Spack: ^A, Y Goodbye!Q^M From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 11:00:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:55:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06951 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 6 May 1995 21:55:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Please Help - Kermit closing under Windows Message-Id: <1995May5.170025.49902@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 17:00:25 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , imclark@westexe.zynet.co.uk (Ian M Clark) writes: > We have a 486 PC (Elonex 450/I) which runs Kermit 3.14 as a DOS window > under Windows 3.1. When the user runs Kermit, it will occasionally > close the window as soon as a key is pressed. The Kermit session is ^^^^^-- Any key, or only certain ones or under certain conditions? > programmed to 'Connect' immediately via the MSKERMIT.INI. The F9 has > been programmed to 'exit' the session when pressed and close the > window. This PC is the only one to misbehave from a batch of five > identically configured. Don't forget to groom memory management on the unhappy machine and also check the Kermit.PIF file on it. Otherwise could you provide just a little more blow-by-blow information? I'm having difficulty sorting out the F9 case from other possibilities, and knowing what communications channel is being used, and all those messy details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 5 10:56:03 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20229 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 00:15:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 00:15:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VJ compression Message-Id: <1995May5.165603.49901@cc.usu.edu> Date: 5 May 95 16:56:03 MDT References: <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3odiu5$2tc@sundog.tiac.net>, clp@max.tiac.net (Clifford Pelletier) writes: > Does the program that is included in the MSK .zip which provides packet > driver support for SLIP connections handle VJ compression? I tried MSK > 3.14 with a SLIP connection for the first time recently and while it > seemed that it was sending properly, nothing was ever displayed. My > recollection is that this is a symptom of failing to handle compression. > The .doc file for the program notes a couple of switches which are not > explained. Do any of these turn on compression handling? ------------- SLIP8250.COM does not do Van Jacobson IP header compression. The switches are explained in the general Packet Driver installation file and in the build-in "using" blurb of the program. It is also possible that you have Kermit stepping on the Packet Driver by telling Kermit to use COM1 or similar hardware comms port. There are other SLIP Packet Drivers around and some do support VJ compression. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 6 19:16:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21540 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 05:37:32 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02440 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 05:37:31 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Message-Id: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 19:16:09 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I noticed a variable named _tid for setting up the terminal mode in login scripts. However, I found no reference to this variable in the ckermit book or in the update docs. Could someone give an example of a script using this code. Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 13:23:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19411 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 16:12:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20569 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 16:12:20 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!agate!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta Telnet Problem Date: 7 May 1995 22:53:31 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3oihkj$40c@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3njjq7$ptt@news4.primenet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Vincent Greene (vgreene@amo.com) wrote: : I have been testing C-Kermit 5A (191) Beta for OS/2 and I believe I have : found a bug in the TELNET support. Invariably on my first telnet attempt, : kermit will repeat typed CR-LF's twice. When I log on to my Internet : Service Provider, I can press Return at the Login prompt and it will display : two more login prompts. If I type my username at the login prompt and : hit Return, it will skip the password prompt and display "invalid login." : I can work around the situation by doing a >telnet indirect.com followed : by a second >telnet indirect.com. After the second telnet attempt everything : works great. : Other than this small bug - This is a GREAT program! I had similar problems with C-Kermit 5A(191), and the solution was to to: SET TELNET NEWLINE OFF this was to telnet to esoft.com and use Kermit for file transfers. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 03:19:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 17:03:13 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24584 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 17:03:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ndis3pkt.386 + Win95 Message-Id: <2641@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 7 May 95 03:19:00 GMT References: <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Internet Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995Apr30.162621.49256@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: | In article <3nk0fe$orp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jch25@columbia.edu (Jack C Huang) writes: | > Did anybody get this combination to work? | > Someone said earlier that one can run MS-Kermit TCP/IP with this | > driver, at least under Win311. | > I got an error message when trying to load the driver. If you could try it again and post or send the actual message I might be able to tell you what's going on. | > Can't figure out what went wrong. | > | > Jack | > | > Jack Huang | > jch25@columbia.edu | > http://www.cc.columbia.edu/~jch25/ | ----------- | Jack, | As promised, I brought up the combination of ndis3pkt.386, NDIS 3 | protected mode, Win95. Doesn't work at all here. Ndis3pkt works fine with the last few Windows 95 releases but it may or may not work outside this range. Beware that Microsoft changed the calling convention of the NDIS3 functions (!) from _cdecl to _stdcall a few releases ago. Current versions of ndis3pkt support both formats by examining the version number returned by the ndis3 VxD. I'm a bit skeptical about the reliability of this test, though, because the number changed by very little between WfWG 3.11 and the first Win95 with the different calling convention _that I could examine_. There may well be Win95 versions with the different calling convention that fail my version check. Perhaps some of this will be documented in the Win95 DDK, but Microsoft won't send me a replacement for the copy that never arrived until I wait umpteen days to be absolutely sure it isn't lost in the mail. (Oddly, my April dev platform was also lost.) Gripe: If Microsoft wants to use unreliable shipping mechanisms to save money, they could at least be prepared to send out replacements without a full extra month's wait. I mean, gee, I'd be happy to send back any extra copy if/when it arrives. And if the guaranteed time to ship (or get lost) is 14 days as they say, why is the mandatory wait one month? | Ndis3pkt says it cannot | register for protocol 00c004001 or some such number and that's the end | of it. Actually, there isn't a ``for'' in there. It's saying that it can't register and the error is xxx. If you find the actual number I can look it up and tell you what's wrong. (Or you can; they are in ndis.h.) Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 02:12:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 7 May 1995 23:07:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP .. C-Kermit upload Date: 8 May 1995 02:12:25 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3ojum9$d7k@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3o86dq$a5l@monk.austin.cc.tx.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tom Secrest (tsecrest@monk.austin.cc.tx.us) wrote: : Any C-Kermit gurus out there, I need help. I use ProComm Plus for : windows v2.11. THE PROBLEM: When I get to the kermit prompt and type : "receive" the computer ask that I return to local kermit and issue a I use PCPlus/Win 1.02, and with the "Protocol" from the setup screen set to Kermit, and the User Defaults set to automatically start a download, I have no touble feeding kermit to or from C-Kermit 190 on a UNIX box. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 06:13:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29717 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 05:01:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 05:01:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!crash!cwr From: cwr@crash.cts.com (Will Rose) Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Organization: CTS Network Services (CTSNET), San Diego, CA Date: Mon, 8 May 1995 06:13:31 GMT Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Sender: news@crash.cts.com (news subsystem) Nntp-Posting-Host: crash.cts.com Lines: 22 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2704 comp.os.cpm:10129 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Decosta III (bq063@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: : Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? : I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation : for the Heath Z100 module. I don't think there's any specific manual for this product, tho' the C-kermit manual 'Using C-kermit' (ISBN 55558-108-0) has some stuff. But this is a much later version of Kermit, and has a lot of things not included in the CP/M versions, which (as far as I know) were all written in assembler. The docs with the CP/M kermit I used were around 50-100 pages as I recall. If you don't have them, it might be worth digging in kermit.columbia.edu. Will cwr@crash.cts.com From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 18:43:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:52:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15146 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:52:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!torn!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Reading and Writing Line by Line Date: 7 May 1995 18:43:13 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line individually so I can read line by line. Thanks Brad From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 13:55:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:55:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 09:55:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Date: 8 May 1995 13:55:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu writes: > I noticed a variable named _tid for setting up the terminal mode in login > scripts. However, I found no reference to this variable in the ckermit book > or in the update docs. Could someone give an example of a script using this > code. Thanks, > It's the terminal ID string that the terminal sends in response to a What Are You? query, normally ESC Z, from the host, which can vary according to terminal type. It is not actually used in any of the login scripts, but it can be. It would be particularly handy for logging in to VMS. It is not a built-in variable, but is defined in the CKERMOD.INI file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 20:13:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09321 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:14:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:14:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 8 May 1995 20:13:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3olu27$ltm@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2707 comp.os.cpm:10133 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Decosta III (bq063@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote: > Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? > Yes. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/a: ASCII: cpkerm.doc PostScript: cpkerm.ps - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 19:22:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:16:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22878 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:16:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!rs7.loc.gov!jogr From: jogr@loc.gov (John B. Graves) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Date: 8 May 1995 19:22:34 GMT Organization: Library of Congress Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: rs8fi0.loc.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Folks, I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. I don't see anything obvious in the manual or INF files, and the CAPS LOCK key seems to be one of the few keys that doesn't have a key number. I need to do this for a TCP session to a Data General where the application requires all uppercase. I suppose my fallback is to find a way to set CAPS LOCK ON within the OS/2 session before starting C-KERMIT. Any ideas? Thanks, John ----------------------- John Graves Library of Congress Washington, DC Internet: jogr@loc.gov Phone: 202-707-5480 From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 20:43:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:43:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25550 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 16:43:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Date: 8 May 1995 20:43:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3olvq1$otq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov>, John B. Graves wrote: >I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. I don't see >anything obvious in the manual or INF files, and the CAPS LOCK key seems >to be one of the few keys that doesn't have a key number. I need to do >this for a TCP session to a Data General where the application requires >all uppercase. I suppose my fallback is to find a way to set CAPS LOCK >ON within the OS/2 session before starting C-KERMIT. > Caps Lock is a modifier key and does not generate a scan code at the level at which Kermit (MS-DOS Kermit or OS/2 C-Kermit) reads them. You can see this by typing SHOW KEY at the prompt and then pressing Caps Lock. However, the Caps Lock itself should do exactly what you want. Press it once, the Caps Lock light comes on, and all letters entered at the keyboard come out in upper case. If your Caps Lock key does not work this way, then you must have changed it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 23:32:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 19:32:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 19:32:22 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(191) and TCPIPCFG.EXE problem? Date: 8 May 1995 23:32:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: inet Message-Id: <3om9m0$a88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2710 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:28243 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oavie$mb4@news1.cle.ab.com>, Dale E. Reed wrote: >Thanks in andvance for any help! Please reply to me by E-mail at: > Dale.Reed@ab.com > >Since I installed C-Kermit 5A (191) for OS/2, I have had problems >changing the configuration of IBM TCP/IP 2.0 for OS/2. It appears >that C-Kermit somehow affects the paths used by TCPIPCFG.EXE >(the TCP/IP Configuration Notebook object). When I edit and save >my TCP/IP configuration, the files written are: (my emphasis) > > D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\TCPSTART.CMD ???? > D:\TCPIP\DOS\BIN\SETUP.CMD ???? > > D:\CKERMIT\TCPSTART.CMD !!!! > > D:\TCPIP\BIN\SETUP.CMD (OK) > >(I expected both files to be written only to D:\TCPIP\BIN.....!!! ) The rest of the note is somewhat unimportant because there is clearly something configured wrong with this machine separate from any CKERMIT install issues. The first two lines should both point to D:\TCPIP\BIN not DOS\BIN. So we start to ask questions: (1) Do you have an ETC variable defined in your CONFIG.SYS file? If yes, to where does it point? (2) If no, was this your first installation of CKERMIT or were you using CKERMIT 5a(189) at somepoint. 189 had a fake dll tcpipdll.dll which TCPIPCFG might be using to determine the TCPIP path if either no ETC variable is definied or it points to an invalid path (like DOS\ETC). Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 02:27:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05360 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:31:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:31:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.rain.org!usenet From: towle@ceo.sbceo.k12.ca.us (Tom Towle) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 02:27:48 GMT Organization: Santa Barbara County Education Office Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: 204.48.128.9 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.99.2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2711 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:284 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available for binary file transfer. Is there anyone that might suggest settings for our users .kermrc files? SET PACKET LENGTH? SET LINE? Remember, Telnet on the host end, asynch on the users end. TIA -- Tom Towle towle@ceo.sbceo.k12.ca.us (805)964-4711 x447 Santa Barbara County Education Office Computer Center From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 19:08:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:32:45 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 8 May 1995 23:32:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!stc06.ctd.ornl.gov!isis.epm.ornl.gov!zhou From: zhou@isis.epm.ornl.gov (Honbo Zhou) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 7 May 1995 19:08:04 GMT Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, TN Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: isis.epm.ornl.gov X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to dial, I got: can't initialize modem Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 7 08:02:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 02:46:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 02:45:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading and Writing Line by Line Message-Id: <1995May7.140204.50030@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 May 95 14:02:04 MDT References: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines > from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. > Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a > hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines > one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with > a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" > "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat > the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I > tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line > individually so I can read line by line. -------- Well, as they say, "don't do that." Instead end the line with something else, say a space after your hyphen. There is no way of turning off line continuation with a trailing hyphen. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 05:01:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 03:35:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14581 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 03:35:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!classic.iinet.com.au!news From: bobogden@iinet.net.au Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q].Z-modem hanging Date: 9 May 1995 05:01:04 GMT Organization: TPC Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au> Reply-To: bobogden@iinet.com.au Nntp-Posting-Host: classic46.dy.iinet.net.au X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.03 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running the OS/2 version (191) and am finding that Zmodem transfers are not completing correctly. The file arives ok, but then the sessiion doesn't terminate, or at least tlii I give the local session a Ctrl C and then give the remote a string of Ctrl X's. Anyone have any pointers to this? Oh, I'm using the P200 protocol under Warp IAK slip. Thanks /-----------------------------------------------------------/ Bob Ogden Prefered: bobogden@iinet.com.au /---------------- Alternate: bobo@mugin.DIALix.oz.au--/ From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:41:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29933 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:41:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:41:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 9 May 1995 12:41:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3onnue$bdk@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Honbo Zhou wrote: >I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment >and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to >dial, I got: can't initialize modem > >Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. > I don't think anybody could possibly tell what the problem is based on the evidence you have given. "Can't initialize modem" means that Kermit sent the modem initialization string (usually ATQ0V1) and did not receive a reply. The possible explanations for this are numerous. Please read pages 50-67 (yes, 17 pages) of the manual, "Using C-Kermit" -- the section on dialing and troubleshooting of dialed connections. Also the ckcker.bwr file, section "Dialing Hints and Tips". If you still have trouble after consulting the documentation, send a problem report to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:50:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:51:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 08:51:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Re: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 12:50:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3onoff$c4i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2716 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:287 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org>, Tom Towle wrote: : Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a : card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users : come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the : same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines : to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet : connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems : to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available : for binary file transfer. : So what's the problem? : Is there anyone that might suggest settings for our users .kermrc files? : SET PACKET LENGTH? SET LINE? Remember, Telnet on the host end, asynch on : the users end. : Maybe you could be more specific about what you want the settings to accomplish. If everybody is coming *in* to the BSDI system, then obviously you don't want a SET LINE command in your .kermrc file. And you can also make Kermit start up a lot faster by removing all of the local-mode-only items from it -- dialing and services directory setup, etc. This can be done without editing the file by including the -R (uppercase) (= "remote only") command-line option. You can do this with an alias, such as: alias kermit="kermit -R" As far as file transfer goes, you can increase the default packet and window sizes to the maximum levels that seem to be safe for your equipment. Some trial and error will be necessary -- no single collection of settings applies to every situation. If it did, we would use it! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 13:35:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 09:35:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 09:35:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q].Z-modem hanging Date: 9 May 1995 13:35:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3onr2c$ftf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3omsug$97i@classic.iinet.com.au>, wrote: >I'm running the OS/2 version (191) and am finding that Zmodem transfers >are not completing correctly. The file arives ok, but then the sessiion >doesn't terminate, or at least tlii I give the local session a Ctrl C and then >give the remote a string of Ctrl X's. Anyone have any pointers to this? >Oh, I'm using the P200 protocol under Warp IAK slip. >Thanks This appears to be a negotiation error between P and sz on the Unix host. Unfortunately, I do not have access to the sources for the DLL. So you will have to take this problem up with the author to whom I have cc'd this note. Sorry. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 03:02:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 12:20:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 12:20:30 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!psuvax1!news.ecn.bgu.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!cleveland.Freenet.Edu!bq063 From: bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael Decosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 8 May 1995 03:02:30 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Reply-To: bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu (Michael Decosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: kanga.ins.cwru.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2718 comp.os.cpm:10145 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation for the Heath Z100 module. -- Michael DeCosta III bq063@cleveland.freenet.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 17:33:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 9 May 1995 13:43:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 9 May 1995 13:43:38 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.cpm Subject: Re: CP/M Kermit 4.11 Date: 9 May 1995 10:33:13 -0700 Organization: Pacifier, a public access Internet site. (360-693-0325) Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3oo90p$15v@pacifier.com> References: <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2719 comp.os.cpm:10147 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ok1k6$ct6@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, Michael Decosta III wrote: > >Is there a manual in print for this version of Kermit? > NOne of which I am aware. As Frank da Cruz says, grab kermit/a/cpkerm.doc -- this is about as definitive documentation as exists for CP/M Kermit. > >I am trying to figure out how to install or enable VT100 emulation >for the Heath Z100 module. > CP/M Kermit does not presently support VT-100 emulation. I'm working on it in between beaucoup other projects :-) :-). One problem in setting up a generic VT100-emulator in CP/M Kermit is that the program supports a wide variety of terminals, not all of which have sufficient capabilities to allow good VT-100 emulation. Your terminal *does* have sufficient capabilities but, as I say, CP/M kermit is designed, insofar as the terminal interface is concerned, to be relatively general. To add VT-100 emulation, you'll have to modify at least CPSCOM.ASM, CPSDAT.ASM and CPSTT.ASM and probably other modules. AS I say, I'm looking at the problem. In the meantime, have you tried David Goodenough's comm program QTERM for the CP/M environment? It supports a subset of kermit functionality and has quite good VT-100 emulation insofar as interpretation of received escape sequences is concerned. Files are in oak.oakland.edu in /pub/cpm/qterm. You'll have to use David Goodenough's ZSM assembler and ZPATCH patch utility to assemble and merge the appropriate overlay into QTERM's object code. Also, I've fixed a couple ofminor QTERM bugs; I plan to release some patches ASAP. If you need more help re either CP/M Kermit and/or QTERM, please do not hesitate to E-mail me. I can be reached at the address shown or (among others) at "freeman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu". Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Pushing 40 is exercise enough! From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 14:53:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 11:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06600 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 11:48:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!ggranger From: ggranger@cybernetics.net (Greg Granger) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]Problem with scr width OS2 ckermit 191 Date: 10 May 1995 14:53:06 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: server0.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is this a bug or a feature ;-) ? I'm running OS/2 v2.11 and ckermit v191, under the fullscreen sessions with vt220 emulation the screen (seems) to be only 78 chars wide (by this I mean the first and last colums of the screen are not used). It has some really strange effects when I use facetterm (like shifting the screen left and dropping the first column when I switch sessions). This did not occur under v190. Perhaps, there is a new setting that I have missed ? -- Greg Granger ggranger@cybernetics.com From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 13:42:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:41:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 12:41:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 2 Kermits on RSX-11M? Message-Id: <1995May8.094219.875@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 8 May 95 09:42:19 -0400 References: <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3od9vj$efq@noc.tor.hookup.net>, gborges@geoware.com (George Borges) writes: > Here's a question for you... > > Are there any caveats I should be aware of (or can it even be done) > regarding running two Kermit servers on one ancient PDP-11 (running > RSX-11M)? > > Thanks for any help. > > George. > > Being an ex-rsx sysadmin, i *think* i can tell you there will be no sweat. i'd rank them in order of priority, and set one about 5 priorities higher than the other one... that way, there will be less chanch of a resource deadlock. rsx is the best system there is for handling interrupts.. I know! we used one for years ot monitor an ICU. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 20:03:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:03:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:03:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) server mode problem Date: 10 May 1995 20:03:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3or65p$59f@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May4.173322.49759@cc.usu.edu> <1995May5.114847.49869@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk writes: ... : >>>>r-05-09-$%Y"B : > : > This is where I sent the GF packet. What happened to it? (BTW this is : > reproducable, it's not a comms problem). : > : >>>>r-00-19-# N3 : >>>>#-00-19- : > : > What does this mean? This looks nothing like the last packet! : ... And Joe Doupnik writes: : Beyond this I think Frank da Cruz needs to plug in his crystal : ball and beam it in this direction. : Let's take this offline -- I seem to have lost some of the context. E-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 20:53:55 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11155 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:54:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10093 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 16:54:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: XIF for MS-DOS Kermit Date: 10 May 1995 20:53:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 107 Message-Id: <3or953$9q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The MS-DOS Kermit script programming language has an IF command that looks like this: IF which executes the if the is true. The C-Kermit language has this too, but also has an "extended IF", or XIF, command: XIF { } [ ELSE { } ] in which the are one or more commands separated (if more than one) by commas, and there is an optional ELSE part to be executed if the is not true. This is handy for grouping commands together to be executed conditionally without resorting to lots of ugly GOTOs. Here is a macro that you can use in MS-DOS Kermit to get the XIF effect. It is *almost* totally compatible with C-Kermit's XIF command, but not quite. The difference is that, when using this macro, you must enclose the in curly braces, whereis in C-Kermit, you must *not* enclose the in curly braces. Left as an exercise to the reader: eliminate this incompatibility :-) ---(cut)--- define XIF - _assign _then\v(cmdlevel) \%2,- if def \%3 if not eq "\%3" "ELSE" end 1 "\%3" should be "ELSE",- if def \%4 _assign _else\v(cmdlevel) \%4,- if \%1 do _then\v(cmdlevel),- if def \%4 if NOT \%1 do _else\v(cmdlevel) ---(cut)--- Aside from the { } business, you should be able to use this macro exactly as you would use C-Kermit's XIF. Here is a script to give it a workout: ---(cut)--- ec Testing XIF... xif { = 1 1 } { echo THEN part works. } xif { = 1 0 } { echo This should not appear } else { echo ELSE part works. } echo Multiple commands in THEN part... xif { = 1 1 } { echo Line 1 of 3 OK, ec Line 2 of 3 OK, ec Line 3 of 3 OK } echo Same thing, with line continuation... xif { = 1 1 } { - echo Line 1 of 3 OK,- echo Line 2 of 3 OK,- echo Line 3 of 3 OK - } echo Multiple commands in THEN and ELSE parts, THEN part true... xif { = 1 1 } { - echo THEN 1 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 2 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 3 of 3 OK - } else { - echo ELSE 1 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 2 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 3 of 3 OK - } echo Multiple commands in THEN and ELSE parts, THEN part false... xif { = 1 0 } { - echo THEN 1 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 2 of 3 OK,- echo THEN 3 of 3 OK - } else { - echo ELSE 1 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 2 of 3 OK,- echo ELSE 3 of 3 OK - } echo Testing nested XIFs... xif { = 1 1 } { - xif { = 2 0 } { - echo This should NOT appear - } else { - echo This SHOULD appear - } - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } echo And again... xif { = 1 0 } { - echo This should NOT appear, - xif { = 2 2 } { - echo This should NOT appear - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } - } else { - echo This SHOULD appear, - xif { = 2 2 } { - echo This SHOULD appear - } else { - echo This should NOT appear - } - } ---(cut)--- - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 00:52:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22950 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 10 May 1995 20:52:59 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 10 May 1995 20:52:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q]Problem with scr width OS2 ckermit 191 Date: 11 May 1995 00:52:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3orn53$qlg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oqk0i$bna@news0.cybernetics.net>, Greg Granger wrote: >Is this a bug or a feature ;-) ? > >I'm running OS/2 v2.11 and ckermit v191, under the fullscreen sessions with >vt220 emulation the screen (seems) to be only 78 chars wide (by this I mean >the first and last colums of the screen are not used). It has some really >strange effects when I use facetterm (like shifting the screen left and >dropping the first column when I switch sessions). This did not occur under >v190. > >Perhaps, there is a new setting that I have missed ? Well, an 80 column screen that only uses 78 cols is pretty strange. This is definitely not the intended behavior and is not the behavior on my system. Can you please create a session log and mail it to me uuencoded? Also, do you get the same effects while using C-Kermit in a window? What does SHOW TERM say for the Height and Width? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 19:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07193 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 01:38:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 01:38:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.ecn.bgu.edu!feenix.metronet.com!brit From: brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit as a server Date: 10 May 1995 19:29:06 GMT Organization: BRIT Systems Summary: Keywords: Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: fohnix.metronet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using PROCOMM Plus "host" mode to allow me to login to a server and send and receive files. It works well but I'd like to go to kermit. Here's the problem. How do I setup Kermit to act as a server with some kind of password protection? It seems that if I use the "set server login" command on MS-Kermit that I would be protected but if I drop the connection and re-connect from elsewhere it will still show up as logged on. In other words, instead of "server [time]", I want "server until CD goes away". I looked through the faqs and found nothing. Robbie Barton -- BRIT Systems, Medical Imaging 3626 N. Hall Street, Suite 616, Dallas, TX 75219 (214) 528-4446 fax: (214) 528-4916 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 06:26:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 02:16:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16835 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 02:16:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!library.ucla.edu!info.ucla.edu!news.bc.net!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!newsflash.concordia.ca!csbn2.concordia.ca!cabilio From: cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal emulation in script Date: 11 May 1995 01:26 -0500 Organization: CSBN Concordia University Lines: 48 Distribution: world Message-Id: <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: csbn2.concordia.ca News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): First, suppose you have an automated login procedure to a VMS host. The script sends the appropriate information in response to the Username: and Password: prompts, then waits for the $ prompt before it resumes. Now our system SYLOGIN.COM issues a SET TERMINAL/INQUIRE to set the terminal characteristics upon login, which works fine if Kermit is in CONNECT (emulation) mode, but not if it is executing the script command INPUT 30 $. After the INQUIRE times out, VMS issues an error message and thenceforth treats the terminal as a dumb TTY. One can get around the first problem by including a post-login script command like OUTPUT SET TERMINAL/DEVICE=VT300\13, but this is a kludge. And here is a second, more difficult example. Suppose an MS-Kermit script includes an OUTPUT command that invokes a VMS .COM procedure. Among other things, the .COM issues an escape sequence to the terminal to put it into autoprint mode, so that some information should come out on the printer attached to the PC. Again, works fine if Kermit is in CONNECT mode, but if it is executing an INPUT command at the time then the host's escape sequence is ignored. At first I thought I was missing something, since MS-Kermit's developers seem to have thought of everything in this mature product. Yet I could not find this problem addressed in my copy of "Using MS-Dos Kermit" 2nd ed. by Christine Gianone, nor in KERMIT.UPD, nor in the FAQ, nor in any articles current in this newsgroup. It is all the more surprising because one commercial product I have used in the past includes the equivalent of an INPUT command with terminal emulation while it waits. Christine does note that no terminal emulation occurs during the INPUT command, but I found this to be equally true with the PAUSE command, leading me to infer that terminal emulation occurs only in CONNECT mode. Is this correct, or am I just misunderstanding something? There is only one way I can see of accomplishing the kind of thing I described. I have not yet studied the new APC feature in detail or tried it out, but I can see how it might be used to trade control back and forth between the host and MS-Kermit: the Kermit script starts up a .COM on the host and goes into CONNECT mode, while the .COM does its thing and then issues an APC to transfer control back to a Kermit script, and so forth. Does this sound feasible? If so, it is better than nothing, but it seems a cumbersome solution to what appears to be a simple problem. Much obliged for any observations you might have. Steve Cabilio (cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 18:29:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:31:18 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01112 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:31:16 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: absolute exit from kermit telnet session Date: 11 May 1995 18:29:06 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to avoid the "a session may be active" message and simply do a absolute exit from a kermit telnet session? This "safety" feature is a bother in scripts where kermit runs as a server but most exit at certain points without regard to the state of the line in order for other programmes to run. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 18:10:21 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05449 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:35:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01357 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 18:35:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.bluesky.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Term Underline Color Date: 11 May 1995 14:10:21 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3otjud$3k6@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14p3. Here's the deal. I want my underline color to be bright yellow on blue. Okay, not a problem. I put set term under 1,33,44 in my mscustom.ini file and I get brown on blue. 8( If I type the same command from within kermit, then I do get bright yellow on blue. So, is there something else I should be doing? Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 12:46:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:08:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:08:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!gt-news!prism!prism!not-for-mail From: gt6935e@prism.gatech.edu (Kurt Chirhart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit on Linux Date: 9 May 1995 08:46:09 -0400 Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia Lines: 21 Sender: gt6935e@prism.gatech.edu Message-Id: <3ono6h$15p@acmey.gatech.edu> References: <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: acmey.gatech.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oj5qk$oig@stc06.ctd.ornl.gov>, Honbo Zhou wrote: >I started C-Kermit on my PC Linux environment >and set modem, line, etc., but when I tried to >dial, I got: can't initialize modem > >Could someone tell me what's the problem? Thanks. What sort of start_up files are you using? Could you post them? kermit -y start_up? What device is your modem in /dev? Is it /dev/modem(a link to your serial port /dev/cua*)? Does your startup file have and references to your modem in it? Such as BAUD, LINE and etc? The .kermrc should have some info such as this in it. If you post these details we may be able to help. -- Kurt Chirhart Internet: gt6935e@acme.gatech.edu Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 ``It should be easy to see, the crux of the biscuit is the apostophe.'' - Frank Zappa From news@columbia.edu Mon May 8 21:06:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:36:06 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07868 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 20:36:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!gatekeeper.us.oracle.com!inet-nntp-gw-1.us.oracle.com!news From: asriniva@us.oracle.com (Andre Srinivasan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Kermit doesn't support Meta-Cntrl keys??? Date: 08 May 1995 21:06:34 GMT Organization: Oracle Corporation, Redwood Shores, California, USA. Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: asriniva-sun.us.oracle.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The emacskey.ini file that comes with OS/2 Kermit only has key codes for Meta keys. There doesn't seem to be a way to define key codes for Meta-Cntrl keys as there was in the MSDOS version. I'm missing something right? Tell me there is a way to define the codes for Meta-Cntrol keys. -andre. -- -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- Andre Srinivasan | Oracle Corporation | "...objectively strategizing for the subdivision." California, USA | -Steve Viavant asriniva@us.oracle.com | -----------------------+----------------------------------------------------- ***I, not Oracle, take responsibility for everything I say, think, or do.*** From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 01:38:53 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:01:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:01:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BackSpace key? Date: 12 May 1995 01:38:53 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3oue7d$bom@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeff Tomich (jtomich@news.IntNet.net) wrote: : Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and : hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. At the kermit prompt ( or in mscustom.ini) set key \270 \127 (to send DEL) set key \270 \8 (to send backspace) set key \270 Hello (to send "Hello") -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 14:11:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14332 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 22:50:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit as a server Message-Id: <1995May10.201137.50463@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 May 95 20:11:37 MDT References: <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3or462$d1a@feenix.metronet.com>, brit@metronet.com (Brit Systems) writes: > I've been using PROCOMM Plus "host" mode to allow me to login to a > server and send and receive files. It works well but I'd like to go > to kermit. > > Here's the problem. How do I setup Kermit to act as a server with > some kind of password protection? It seems that if I use the > "set server login" command on MS-Kermit that I would be protected > but if I drop the connection and re-connect from elsewhere it will > still show up as logged on. > > In other words, instead of "server [time]", I want "server until CD goes > away". I looked through the faqs and found nothing. ------------- Try this experiment. Bring up Kermit normally, dial another modem anywhere by hand from Connect mode to watch the action. After the CONNECT message has appeared type ALT-X to leave Connect mode. At the Kermit prompt then give commands SET CARRIER ON, SERVER. Now reach over and manually hang up the phone or switch off the modem or remove the telephone cord. The instant CD drops Kermit pops out of Server mode and the Kermit prompt shows. It's at the Kermit prompt that one has a tiny looping script which invokes Server mode, and possibly other refinements. This is for version 3.14 of MS-DOS Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 12 01:15:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 11 May 1995 23:40:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 11 May 1995 23:40:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: absolute exit from kermit telnet session Date: 11 May 1995 21:15:40 -0400 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3oucrs$h7l@panix.com> References: <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3otl1i$384@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, Earl H. Kinmonth wrote: >Is there a way to avoid the "a session may be active" message and simply >do a absolute exit from a kermit telnet session? MS-Kermit 3.14 introduced the "SET EXIT WARNING OFF" command, which does exactly this. marshall -- [Marshall G. Flax -- mgflax@panix.com] From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 20:07:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 12 May 1995 02:23:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24574 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 12 May 1995 02:23:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!utnut!nott!nrcnet0.nrc.ca!ratilal From: Bradley Pick Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Reading and Writing Line by Line Date: 9 May 1995 20:07:00 GMT Organization: National Research Council, Canada Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3ooi14$d6c@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> References: <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca> <1995May7.140204.50030@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ws55.cisti.nrc.ca Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote: > > In article <3oj4c1$51e@nrcnet0.nrc.ca>, Bradley Pick writes: > > Using Ms-dos kermit 3.14 I have a script that reads specific lines > > from one file and then writes it to second file line by line. > > Sometimes my main text file will contain lines that end with a > > hyphen ("-") and as a result when I start to read and write the lines > > one by one I get an error when I encounter any lines that end with > > a hyphen (-) The error say "TEXT EXCEEDED AVAILABLE BUFFER CAPACITY" > > "WORD XXXX IS NOT USABLE HERE". I know that the hypen means to treat > > the line and the line below it as one continuing line. But how do I > > tell kermit to ignore what that hypen(-) means and to treat each line > > individually so I can read line by line. > -------- > Well, as they say, "don't do that." Instead end the line with > something else, say a space after your hyphen. There is no way of turning > off line continuation with a trailing hyphen. > Joe D. I can't end the line with anything else as the file that I'm capturing is edifact coding and it is fixed at 80 characters per line. The reason I was reading line by line and writing to a second file was that at the end of my captured file I have a few lines that I need to get rid off. The first line starting with "ALL REQUESTS HAVE BEEN PRINTED"and few others would follow. What I would do was using the FINDEX function I would stop writing to my second file when I encountered that magic line and then I would have pure coding in my second file. Can someone please tell me how I can the accomplish the same thing (getting rid of unwanted lines at the bottom of my captured file) without running into the problem of reading line by line and getting caught by a line that ends in a hypen and overflowing the buffer. thanks again Brad From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:45:59 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12619 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 12 May 1995 08:46:11 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 12 May 1995 08:46:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Kermit doesn't support Meta-Cntrl keys??? Date: 12 May 1995 12:45:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ovla7$ion@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Andre Srinivasan wrote: >The emacskey.ini file that comes with OS/2 Kermit only has key codes >for Meta keys. There doesn't seem to be a way to define key codes for >Meta-Cntrl keys as there was in the MSDOS version. > That's right. >I'm missing something right? Tell me there is a way to define the >codes for Meta-Cntrol keys. > There isn't, sorry. OS/2 C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit have distinct family trees. We are working to bring them together, but this particular issue is difficult, because there is no way to allow Ctrl-Alt combos to generate unique scan codes without changing some of the other ones, thus breaking everybody's current key settings files. In the future, we'll probably need to have a command that selects among two or more different scan-code regimens. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 02:39:45 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11646 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in script Message-Id: <1995May11.083945.50507@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 May 95 08:39:45 MDT References: <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca>, cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca writes: > Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script > is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was > using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): ---------- Briefly put, no there isn't. Script commands are executed at the Kermit prompt, Connect mode (terminal emulation) is invoked from the Kermit prompt too. Terminal type responses, such as to SET TERM/INQ, can be made from scripts using canned response sequences listed in text file msvibm.vt. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 02:41:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 13 May 1995 03:38:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: BackSpace key? Message-Id: <1995May11.084128.50508@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 May 95 08:41:28 MDT References: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net>, jtomich@news.IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) writes: > Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and > hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. ------------ Please do read the documenation accompanying the Kermit you are using. Then also try commands SHOW KEY and SET KEY. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 13:01:28 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:05:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07944 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:05:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!ftel.co.uk!bham!B.A.McCauley From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: A _current_ protocol reference? Date: 10 May 1995 13:01:28 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 15 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I already have "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (1987). I'm looking for documentation of the current protocol. (I'm fairly sure it's moved on a bit since 1987). I know I can trawl through the mail archive for all the protocol extensions but what I really want is a later edition. Is there anywhere I can look? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 15:03:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:08:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 11:08:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.sprintlink.net!demon!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!umdac!fizban.solace.mh.se!vampire.xinit.se!newsfeed.tip.net!news.bahnhof.se!news.bahnhof.se!not-for-mail From: marvi@bahnhof.se (Markus Hdrnvi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Connect cost report in OS/2 ckermit? Date: 9 May 1995 16:03:05 +0100 Organization: Bahnhof Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3oo079$6l9@sunny.bahnhof.se> Nntp-Posting-Host: sunny.bahnhof.se X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone done a script (in Ckermit or in REXX) that can analyse a logfile and count the connect cost? //Markus From news@columbia.edu Wed May 10 16:56:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:14:04 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:14:01 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!sunews!suma3!suqstmbl From: John Stumbles Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for Winsock Date: Wed, 10 May 1995 17:56:31 +0100 Organization: University of Reading, U.K. Lines: 40 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: suma3-e2.reading.ac.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In-Reply-To: <27Apr95.013131.3009@granite.ciw.edu> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nlksr$b4k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: (I hope I got the attribution right!) > >Everybody wants Kermit for Windows but nobody is willing to pay for it. > >This is a massive development effort, and we presently do not have the > >funds or programmer time to do it. > > ... > >We have put 15 years into developing MS-DOS Kermit. It does everything > >you want. It has the best VT terminal emulator around, scripting, > >character sets, etc etc. It even has its own incredibly fast and compact > >built-in TCP/IP protocol stack. > > ... > >But that's got good enough because now there is Winsock, ..... > >...................In the meantime, sites that have > >thousands of MS-DOS Kermit users that are suffering grievously because > >Kermit is not "Winsock compliant" should feel free to send money to > >help fund the work that would be needed to solve this problem. The > >situation now is that we have much more work on our plates than we can > >ever do, and less income to pay for it because of the rapid expansion > >of the Internet and the universal perception that the Internet is a > >giant bag of free goodies. Well I don't have a big pot of money to throw at the Kermit folks ... neither have I anything but praise to lavish on them for the effort they've put into Kermit so far ... however I have a suggestion: the people at Univ. of Washington who develop PINE (another fine public-domain application that knocks spots off most of the commercial offerings :-) have a winsock version of PC Pine - maybe they have some code that could be reused for a Win/kermit? Just my $0.02 worth :-) John Stumbles j.d.stumbles@reading.ac.uk Computer Services Centre 01734 318435 University of Reading Whiteknights Reading RG6 2AF UK +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 17:25:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:25:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17075 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 13:25:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: A _current_ protocol reference? Date: 14 May 1995 17:25:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3p5eem$glc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: >I already have "Kermit: A File Transfer Protocol" (1987). >I'm looking for documentation of the current protocol. (I'm fairly >sure it's moved on a bit since 1987). I know I can trawl through the mail >archive for all the protocol extensions but what I really want is a >later edition. > You'll have to wait for us to find time to write it. Meanwhile, the protocol specification in the book is augmented by the following files in kermit/e on kermit.columbia.edu: isok7.txt -- Character sets lshift.txt -- Locking shifts mail.90a -- File collision actions, REMOTE SET - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 04:38:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 14:00:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 14:00:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows95 Message-Id: <1995May14.103829.50860@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 May 95 10:38:29 MDT References: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au>, cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) writes: > Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? > > I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on > Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. > > If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications > under Windows95 please let me know how. ---------- You are asking much too soon. Win95 is hardly a stable target; it changes almost by the day. Comms material is highly variable in the context of what does or does not work in any build. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 9 16:51:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 18:55:27 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 18:55:26 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.provo.novell.com!park.uvsc.edu!usenet From: Terry Lambert Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc Subject: Re: Kermit D/L through a hybrid Asynch-to-Telnet card Date: 9 May 1995 16:51:02 GMT Organization: Utah Valley State College, Orem, Utah Lines: 41 Message-Id: <3oo6hm$s00@park.uvsc.edu> References: <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org> <3onoff$c4i@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hecate.artisoft.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2743 comp.unix.bsd.bsdi.misc:303 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: ] ] In article <3omjv4$qjc@news.rain.org>, ] Tom Towle wrote: ] : Here's a weird one. We have a BSDI Pentium hooked up over Ethernet to a ] : card called a VLAN card by a company named Penril. Our dial-in users ] : come in over an asynchronous connect ports to multiplexers, (made by the ] : same company), and then are trunked over hi-speed synchronous data lines ] : to this half-serial, half-ethernet card, and then they get a Telnet ] : connection to our Unix box. For the dial-up connection, everthing seems ] : to work fine, however, Kermit appears to be the only method available ] : for binary file transfer. ] : ] So what's the problem? The problem is that he's effectively got a multidrop board with a controller that looks like an ethernet card (but is probably actually and RS422 card) and that he needs to make the connection between the fan out unit on the other end of the cable from the PC and the modems *binary* so he can do transfers with something *other* than kermit. Probably so he can get SLIP or PPP going as well. Most likely the problem is that the card is set for in band (XON/XOF) flow control when it should be set for out of band (RTS/CTS) or the modem is set that way or they both are. I'm not sure if you could reset the card or not. Some of these cards are mighty stupid. It might, in fact, be a jumper setting in the fan out unit itself. Note that this type of setup is typically done to make it cheap, so it's entirely possible that there is insufficient buffering without flow control to keep the fan out unit from losing data before it gets shoved down the wire to the card in the box. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 01:12:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:14:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15818 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:14:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Maxium size for string to output? Date: Thu, 11 May 1995 01:12:14 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've seem to run across an interesting thing in CKermit 190 for XENIX. If I try to output a string that is 320 characters long, the receiving system acts as if a partial string was sent. It also appears as if there are some control characters being sent. (There are none in the string.) If I split the line into 79 character chunks, all is well. Is there some sort of buffer being used for the output command? Thanks MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Thu May 11 00:52:22 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:55:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 19:55:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!nntp.cs.ubc.ca!news.UVic.CA!sol!klassen From: klassen@sol.UVic.CA (Melvin Klassen) Subject: Re: CAPS LOCK in OS/2 CKERMIT Message-Id: <1995May11.005222.10768@sol.UVic.CA> Sender: news@sol.UVic.CA Nntp-Posting-Host: sol Organization: University of Victoria, Victoria B.C. CANADA References: <3olr1q$1rg6@rs7.loc.gov> Date: Thu, 11 May 95 00:52:22 GMT Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jogr@loc.gov (John B. Graves) writes: > I need a way to SET CAPS_LOCK ON in OS/2 C-KERMIT 191. > I need to do this for a TCP session to a Data General > where the application requires all uppercase. Any ideas? Use Kermit's "SET KEY" command, repeatedly, to send upper-case letters, when the lower-case keys are pressed. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 11 03:47:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12599 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 14 May 1995 20:51:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22401 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 14 May 1995 20:50:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!news.IntNet.net!news.IntNet.net!news-path From: jtomich@IntNet.net (Jeff Tomich) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: BackSpace key? Date: 10 May 1995 23:47:47 -0400 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3os1d3$t3r@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any help on changing the backspace key? When I'm at my vt prompt and hitting the backspace I just get literal escape codes looks like it anyway. thanks, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 00:54:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 00:54:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 00:54:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.unb.ca!nbt.nbnet.nb.ca!newcastle14.nbnet.nb.ca!roadrunner From: roadrunner@darwin.nbnet.nb.ca (Jody Glidden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Protocols for winsock? Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 01:00:04 Organization: NB*Net Lines: 3 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: newcastle14.nbnet.nb.ca X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there any popular protocols for winsock available on ftp sites? kermit,zmodem,xmodem,ymodem etc. Please reply via e-mail at roadruner@nbnet.nb.ca From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 05:40:06 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29884 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 03:57:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 03:57:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!news3.near.net!sun3.ipswitch.com!ddl From: ddl@harvard.edu (Dan Lanciani) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under Windows95 Message-Id: <2661@sun3.IPSWITCH.COM> Date: 15 May 95 05:40:06 GMT References: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Organization: Internet Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au>, cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) writes: | Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? | | I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on | Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. | | If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications | under Windows95 please let me know how. NDIS3PKT works with (at least) the last two Windows 95 betas (i.e., the ``final'' beta and the January beta). It may or may not work with previous betas. I haven't tried kermit under Windows 95; however, unless there is some weird compatibility problem with the Windows 95 DOS box, it should work fine. Dan Lanciani ddl@harvard.* From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 13:19:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:19:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:19:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Maxium size for string to output? Date: 15 May 1995 13:19:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3p7kcb$c6u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3oroce$opq@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: >I've seem to run across an interesting thing in CKermit 190 for XENIX. If >I try to output a string that is 320 characters long, the receiving system >acts as if a partial string was sent. It also appears as if there are some >control characters being sent. (There are none in the string.) If I split >the line into 79 character chunks, all is well. > >Is there some sort of buffer being used for the output command? > Well, yes. And it is 80 indeed bytes long. However, unless I'm badly mistaken, the buffering algorithm (see dooutput() and oboc() in ckuus5.c) is sound. It was tested successfully with strings considerably longer than 80 bytes (and longer than 320). Failures like the one you report have been observed for various lengths, most commonly 256. Generally, this indicates a flow-control or buffering capacity problem at the receiving end, and not a failure of the OUTPUT command. It could also, however, be indicative of a buffering capacity in the local device drivers. A good way to locate the culprit would be to test the OUTPUT command for success or failure. If it succeeds, the problem is most likely on the far end. If it fails, that means it was not able to send all the bytes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 05:49:47 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15104 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:36:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 09:36:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation in script Date: 12 May 1995 05:49:47 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3oustr$mkn@news.ysu.edu> References: <1995May11.083945.50507@cc.usu.edu> <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In a previous article, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) says: >In article <11MAY199501261479@csbn2.concordia.ca>, cabilio@csbn2.concordia.ca writes: >> Is there no way to have MS-Kermit perform terminal emulation while a script >> is running? Here are two examples of where this would be desirable (I was >> using MS-Kermit 3.14 under DOS 6.2 and VMS 5.5-2): > >---------- > Briefly put, no there isn't. Script commands are executed at the >Kermit prompt, Connect mode (terminal emulation) is invoked from the >Kermit prompt too. Terminal type responses, such as to SET TERM/INQ, >can be made from scripts using canned response sequences listed in text >file msvibm.vt. > Joe D. > The closest that you could get would be to use an outside console driver such as ANSI. I have noted that the script handler processes all its stuff through the outside driver when it is active. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 05:29:04 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 14:03:42 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10852 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 14:03:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!sunserver.insinc.net!cuugnet!bhardwaj From: bhardwaj@cuug.ab.ca (Dharam Bhardwaj 282-6486) Subject: Kermit 190-5A install problems Message-Id: Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 05:29:04 GMT Organization: Calgary UNIX User's Group X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I downloaded this version from columbia for my machine, it is a NeXT platform running a unix flavor compatible with at least BSD4.2. The file I downloaded was named ckuker.Next and it is binary. I renamed the file to Kermit in order to use it but it does not work, Can someone please explain how I can upgrade to this version from a previous version (4E - 070). Thanks in advance. Email preferred if possible. -- E-mail: bhardwaj@cuug.ab.ca | NeXTMail: (under construction) | Fax: 403-282-8969 Canada | From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:57:09 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16866 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:29 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15533 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:26 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: OS/2 Ckermit and Rexx don't mix? Message-Id: <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:57:09 GMT Lines: 59 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Can't use ckermit commands or in a Rexx script that runs under ckermit. Can anyone help out please. Here is a little program to run under ckermit for OS/2 version 191. First is the program, the output from the program and lastly an explanation for the error from OS/2. Does the same thing happen on your OS/2 system. Just for historial purposes the same thing happens in ckermit 190. Also the rexx scripts work fine as long as don't call any ckermit commands. :-( --------------------- Below in the program --------------------------- /* This is a test of ckermit. */ /* TRACE "?R" */ SAY "Ckermit will crash when it gets a command that rexx cannot" SAY "process correctly and sends ckermit. Even ckermit commands" SAY "will cause the system to crash." SAY "Currently running in" Address() 'set terminal type vt220' /* end of test */ -------------------- Output from the program in ckermit ------------- CKermit> rexx call test.cmd Ckermit will crash when it gets a command that rexx cannot process correctly and sends ckermit. Even ckermit commands will cause the ckermit to terminate. Currently running in CKermit SYS1808: The process has stopped. The software diagnostic code (exception code) is 0005. ------------------- What sys1808 means ------------------------------ help sys1808 SYS1808: The process has stopped. The software diagnostic code (exception code) is ***. EXPLANATION: The program generated an exception that the system cannot resolve. The soft ware diagnostic code allows determination of what type of exception was generated. ACTION: Correct the problem or try a different version of the program. --------------------------------------------------------------------- According to the error I should try a different version. Any clues to the new version, or I'm doing something wrong? Thanks, Helen hkennedy@ncat.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:55:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:37:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!concert!mercury!hkennedy From: hkennedy@mercury.ncat.edu Subject: Re: _tid variable in OS/2 Ckermit 191 Message-Id: <1995May12.125500.28479@mercury.ncat.edu> Organization: North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University References: <1995May6.191609.9845@mercury.ncat.edu> <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 1995 12:55:00 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ol7s7$evg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >It is not actually used in any of the login scripts, but it can be. It would >be particularly handy for logging in to VMS. > >It is not a built-in variable, but is defined in the CKERMOD.INI file. > >- Frank Thanks, I see how to use it now. Helen From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 12:56:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:42:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 18:42:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.IntNet.net!news.IntNet.net!news-path From: kcole@IntNet.net (Kyle Cole) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Disable push Date: 12 May 1995 08:56:20 -0400 Organization: Intelligence Network Online, Inc. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.IntNet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: xcalibur.intnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to disable push or any other method of escaping to a shell prompt. I am using c-kermit for unixware. Thanks, Kyle From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 00:26:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 15 May 1995 20:26:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 15 May 1995 20:26:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit and Rexx don't mix? Date: 16 May 1995 00:26:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3p8rg3$2se@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May12.125709.28676@mercury.ncat.edu>, wrote: >Hi, > >Can't use ckermit commands or in a Rexx script that runs under >ckermit. Can anyone help out please. This appears to be a bug in the parameter passing order specified in the OS/2 header REXXSAA.H. IBM left out an APIENTRY definition for use with non C++ compilations. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 18:17:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04779 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 01:28:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06875 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 01:28:05 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!flatlndr From: flatlndr@vnet.net () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 15 May 1995 18:17:50 GMT Organization: Vnet Internet Access, Inc. - Charlotte, NC. (704) 374-0779 Lines: 74 Message-Id: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. Thanks for any help. Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net flatlndr@cyberspace.com danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us SET MODEM-DIALER hayes SET LINE /dev/cua0 SET SPEED 57600 SET PARITY none SET DUPLEX full SET FLOW rts/cts SET FILE TYPE bin SET FILE NAME lit SET REC PACK 1000 SET SEND PACK 1000 SET WINDOW 5 SET INPUT CASE ignore SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION proceed SET OUTPUT PACING 10 SET PROMPT Termnet> SET DIAL DISPLAY on SET DIAL HANGUP on SET DIAL MNP on SET DIAL MODEM-HANGUP SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING off SET DIAL TIMEOUT 45 SET DIAL INIT-STRING AT &F &C1 &D0 M0 \13 ; Somehwere in here is where I think it is bombing :BEGIN CLEAR DIAL 5551234 INPUT 10 CONNECT IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE GOTO LOGIN :LOGIN INPUT 10 ogin: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT username\13 INPUT 10 assword: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT password\13 INPUT 10 $ IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT rlogin jazzmin.vnet.net -l flatlndr -8 -L\13 INPUT 10 assword: IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN ELSE OUTPUT jazzminpassword\13 OUTPUT \13 PAUSE 2 OUTPUT net\13 PAUSE 1 QUIT ; ; If modem not working exit. ; :END ECHO Modem Initialization Failure... ECHO Exiting Program... QUIT ; Done! From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:35:26 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:35:38 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:35:36 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Disable push Date: 17 May 1995 00:35:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3pbgce$bum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.intnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ovltk$15o@xcalibur.intnet.net>, Kyle Cole wrote: >I need to disable push or any other method of escaping to a shell prompt. >I am using c-kermit for unixware. > make unixware (or unixwarenetc) KFLAGS=-DNOPUSH See ckccfg.doc for details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:39:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:39:44 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14722 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 16 May 1995 20:39:43 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 17 May 1995 00:39:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3pbgk8$e9o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net>, wrote: >I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials >fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call >Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. > >SET this, SET that... >... >DIAL 5551234 >INPUT 10 CONNECT >IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN > DIAL handles dialing. You don't need script commands for this. DIAL already read the CONNECT message, so your INPUT command will always fail. Change to: SET this, SET that... ... DIAL 5551234 IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN - Frank x From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 00:49:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 02:32:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04937 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 02:32:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!news.mathworks.com!uunet!george.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Mark Murphy <72351.3036@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit for AOS/VS Date: 17 May 1995 00:49:17 GMT Organization: Interactive Systems, Inc. Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where can I get C-Kermit for DG AOS/VS in dumpfile format? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 23:57:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:10:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06027 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:10:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!citicorp.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!newsjunkie.ans.net!news0.cybernetics.net!usenet From: mbaucom@cybernetics.net (Milton A. Baucom) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Script works under 189 not under 190 (SCO UNIX) Date: Sun, 14 May 1995 23:57:38 GMT Organization: Cybernetx, Inc. Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: catfish.cybernetics.net X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent v0.55 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script that works fine under 189 build, however whenever I try to run it with 190, I get memory faults. This ONLY happens with the UNIX version. AIX & Xenix 190 will run it fine. I have tried recompiling with different settings but no go. I even tried the precompiled UNIX version from Columbia, but got the same results. (Using sco32v4 para in the makefile) It somehow is related to the size of a while success loop because if I start taking stuff out, it starts working. I realize that I am no giving much information. I didn't want to burden the net with my script & sample data (the script reads a file and outputs it), I am looking for possible solutions. Thanks for any help. MAB ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Milton A. Baucom - WA4NES | mbaucom@cybernetics.net From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 06:26:05 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:20:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 03:19:58 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!ralph.vnet.net!!root From: root@.com (System Administrator) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP Call Complete but it isn't Date: 16 May 1995 06:26:05 GMT Organization: LittleToNone Lines: 100 Message-Id: <3p9ghu$5ab@ralph.vnet.net> References: <3p85se$khb@ralph.vnet.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazzmin.vnet.net X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2+color] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Me again :) I managed to get the script to work so I am showing what I changed in case anyone else would want to use the script. flatlndr@vnet.net wrote: : Hi, : I'm having some trouble with a kermit script. The phone dials : fine but after the modem's train and connect kermit spits out "Call : Complete" and ignores the rest of the script. The script I'm using is below. : Thanks for any help. : Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net : flatlndr@cyberspace.com : danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us : root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us : SET MODEM-DIALER hayes : SET LINE /dev/cua0 : SET SPEED 57600 Cahnged this to 38400 : SET PARITY none : SET DUPLEX full : SET FLOW rts/cts : SET FILE TYPE bin : SET FILE NAME lit : SET REC PACK 1000 : SET SEND PACK 1000 : SET WINDOW 5 : SET INPUT CASE ignore : SET INPUT TIMEOUT-ACTION proceed : SET OUTPUT PACING 10 : SET PROMPT Termnet> : SET DIAL DISPLAY on : SET DIAL HANGUP on : SET DIAL MNP on : SET DIAL MODEM-HANGUP : SET DIAL SPEED-MATCHING off : SET DIAL TIMEOUT 45 : SET DIAL INIT-STRING AT &F &C1 &D0 M0 \13 added Q0 to the init string : ; Somehwere in here is where I think it is bombing : :BEGIN : CLEAR : DIAL 5551234 : INPUT 10 CONNECT : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE GOTO LOGIN Commented out the above 3 lines : :LOGIN : INPUT 10 ogin: Changed this to the very first thing my remote host spits out. Also added a PAUSE 3 line after this. : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT username\13 : INPUT 10 assword: : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT password\13 : INPUT 10 $ : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT rlogin jazzmin.vnet.net -l flatlndr -8 -L\13 : INPUT 10 assword: : IF FAILURE GOTO BEGIN : ELSE OUTPUT jazzminpassword\13 : OUTPUT \13 : PAUSE 2 : OUTPUT net\13 : PAUSE 1 : QUIT : ; : ; If modem not working exit. : ; : :END : ECHO Modem Initialization Failure... : ECHO Exiting Program... : QUIT : ; Done! That's it! :) I'm going to now poke around and try to add this to my .profile file so the connection is made whenever I login. And then add some crontab entries to get and send the mail. If anyone is interested drop an e-mail to me and I'll get back to ya. Dan Compton The Flatlander flatlndr@vnet.net flatlndr@cyberspace.com danc@bigsky.dillon.mt.us root%bvhd@bigsky.dillon.mt.us From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 12:38:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 04:04:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 04:04:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!nova.umuc.edu!not-for-mail From: jreveyos@nova.umuc.edu (Jean Paul Reveyoso) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit for OS/2 and Slipterm Date: 16 May 1995 08:38:50 -0400 Organization: University of Maryland University College Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nova.umuc.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can Ckermit 191 for OS/2 be used as the front end terminal program for IBM's IAK. And if so how do you do it? Is the documentation for this feature in "Using C-Kermit?". TIA From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 12:32:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:02:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00326 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 07:01:59 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!argus!bll From: bll@argus.mh.nl (Ron Bollen) Subject: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Message-Id: Organization: Multihouse Automatisering b.v. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 15 May 1995 12:32:35 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I hope anyone can help me with this problem. I am using a DECsystem running Ultrix as a sort of BBS. Client can call this system and retrieve information. Also the downloading of files using kermit of z-modem is possible. The modems I am using are hooked on a Netblazer (Telebit) and can be accessed throught an ip-address. (So the modempool can be reached via a telnet-session.) Now I want to transfer files using Z-modem and Kermit to the client-systems during the night in a batch-way. I can use C-kermit (190) which does this perfectly using the "set host Ip-address" to connect to the modempool and so on. But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. Is it possible to use Z-modem within C-kermit and how can I set it up? Maybe anyone knows a product that contains this functionality. (Connecting the modempool throught an Ip-address, making the connection to the customer and transfering files using the Z-modem-protocol.) I hope to hear from anyone soon. Thanks in advance Ron ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ Ron Bollen E-Mail: bll@mh.nl Technisch Specialist Tel: +31-1820-62722 Multihouse Networking, Doesburgweg 7, 2800 AT Gouda, The Netherlands ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 13:20:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 09:20:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 09:20:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for OS/2 and Slipterm Date: 17 May 1995 13:20:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3pct7e$gnt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pa6cq$66e@nova.umuc.edu>, Jean Paul Reveyoso wrote: >Can Ckermit 191 for OS/2 be used as the front end terminal program for >IBM's IAK. And if so how do you do it? Is the documentation for this >feature in "Using C-Kermit?". C-Kermit 5a(191) can indeed be used instead of SLIPTERM. It is not documented in "Using C-Kermit" as the book was published before this release. The specific method for using this support is dependent upon the SLIP porivder you are using. Try the UPDATES SLIP command from the C-Kermit prompt. ---- In general though, you need to edit your SLIP.CFG file (ETC directory) to specify the proper settings for SLIP.EXE. Then you start SLIP.EXE. Then start C-Kermit, say SET PORT SLIPCOMx where the x i s replaced by the port number being used by SLIP.EXE. Set the speed, flow control, etc. Dial, make your connection, start SLIP. Now if your provider has BOOTP support, run BOOTP to configure your IP addresses and routes. If not, you must use the INPUT command and the \v(input) variable to capture the IP addresses and call IFCONFIG to setup your IP address and routes. Since this would be automated, you must understand the C-Kermit scripting language fairly well. And for that you should get a copy of "Using C-Kermit". Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 16 05:01:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20764 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 14:13:02 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 14:12:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Faster file transfers Message-Id: <1995May16.110133.51079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 May 95 11:01:33 MDT References: <3pag7g$os4@uwm.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pag7g$os4@uwm.edu>, brodg@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Beth L Rodgers) writes: > > Some of my colleagues have been talking about a way to have kermit work > with x-modem and z-modem type file transfers, which is supposed to be > faster than even changing the parameters within kermit. I'm working with > Kermit 3.14 and Ckermit on a Unix mainframe, connected with a direct > hardwire. I have worked with faster parameters in the kermit program, but > would appreciate any additional information regarding incresing the > performance to do z-modem type transfers. > > > -- > Beth Rodgers, PhD, RN University of WI-Milwaukee > Associate Professor email: brodg@csd.uwm.edu > School of Nursing Fax: 414/229-6474 ------------ Beth, This is pretty much a stale topic by now. Kermit (MS-DOS and C) can operate just as fast as the X/Y/Zmodem transfers and with a heck of a lot more robustness. The matter is discussed in some detail in the Summer 94 issue of Kermit News. Communications isn't simple or plug and play, no matter how much we might wish it to be so. Adjustments are always needed to achieve higher than standard performance or to even converse at all. The Kermit protocol is designed to be robust and flexible, and it's easily adjusted to be as fast as anything else. We have no interest in providing X/Y/Zmodem protocols in our products because we firmly believe we have superior solutions all around. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 03:52:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 16:08:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 16:08:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!netline-fddi.jpl.nasa.gov!nntp-server.caltech.edu!almach.caltech.edu!shoppa From: shoppa@almach.krl.caltech.edu (Timothy D. Shoppa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 17 May 1995 11:52 PST Organization: California Institute of Technology Lines: 46 Distribution: world Message-Id: <17MAY199511524255@almach.caltech.edu> References: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: almach.krl.caltech.edu News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de>, PETER@EMBL-HAMBURG.DE (Peter Bendall) writes... >The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference >Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being >sent to Compuserve as Binary. > >I would be grateful if somebody could help, please! Is this a Compuserve > problem? > > > Before uploading, I gave the following settings: > SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 > SET TERMINAL CHAR TRANSPARENT > SET FILE TYPE BINARY ^^^^^^ > SET SEND PACKET 2000 > SET BLOCK 3 > SET WINDOW 4 > I've been bitten by this one before, myself. Look at the file CKVKER.BWR that should've come with your distribution; here's the applicable excerpt: FILE TRANSFER File transfer modes (TEXT vs BINARY) are set automatically for each file when sending. The SET FILE TYPE BINARY and SET FILE TYPE TEXT commands are ignored when sending files. To force binary-mode transmission, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE. See the VMS appendix of "Using C-Kermit". The automagic file mode works most of the time, actually. In particular, a file will always be sent in Binary if the file being transferred has the attribute "Fixed length 512 byte records". But files created with the "Stream" attribute will be sent as Text, even if Binary is more appropriate. Changing SET FILE TYPE BINARY to SET FILE TYPE IMAGE will make things work like you would expect. [Actually, I find the automatic file mode detection to often be more of a hazard than a convenience, in many cases.] Tim. (shoppa@krl.caltech.edu) Kellogg Radiation Lab, Caltech. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 22:53:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 18:53:16 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 18:53:14 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script works under 189 not under 190 (SCO UNIX) Date: 17 May 1995 22:53:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3pduon$pop@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p65gj$kbi@news0.cybernetics.net>, Milton A. Baucom wrote: : I have a kermit script that works fine under 189 build, however whenever I : try to run it with 190, I get memory faults. This ONLY happens with the : UNIX version. AIX & Xenix 190 will run it fine. I have tried recompiling : with different settings but no go. I even tried the precompiled UNIX : version from Columbia, but got the same results. (Using sco32v4 para in : the makefile) : : It somehow is related to the size of a while success loop because if I : start taking stuff out, it starts working. : : I realize that I am no giving much information. I didn't want to burden : the net with my script & sample data (the script reads a file and outputs : it), I am looking for possible solutions. : The net is not going to be very helpful with problems like this. Your best bet is to send your report direct to Kermit tech support at kermit@columbia.edu. Much faster than news, and gets to the right people (i.e. me). Send specifics. But don't expect miracles, because (a) I'm on jury duty at the moment :-), and (b) I don't have an SCO UNIX system of my own for experimentation. Begin by sending a copy of the offending script and the last few K of a debug log taken in a session that crashes. If you have a core dump analyzer on SCO UNIX, see if you can get a traceback. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 23:04:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:04:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27114 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:04:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Date: 17 May 1995 23:04:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ron Bollen wrote: : I hope anyone can help me with this problem. : : I am using a DECsystem running Ultrix as a sort of BBS. Client can call : this system and retrieve information. Also the downloading of files : using kermit of z-modem is possible. : : The modems I am using are hooked on a Netblazer (Telebit) and can be : accessed throught an ip-address. (So the modempool can be reached via : a telnet-session.) : : Now I want to transfer files using Z-modem and Kermit to the client-systems : during the night in a batch-way. : I can use C-kermit (190) which does this perfectly using the : "set host Ip-address" to connect to the modempool and so on. : Thank you for acknowledging this in public. So few people take the trouble to notice such things :-) : But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. : Is it possible to use Z-modem within C-kermit and how can I set it up? : Maybe anyone knows a product that contains this functionality. : (Connecting the modempool throught an Ip-address, making the connection : to the customer and transfering files using the Z-modem-protocol.) : This is a rather strange question to appear in the Kermit newsgroup. Why are there are so many questions of like this? "I have a very complicated setup and Kermit works perfectly, but I want to use Zmodem..." Kermit is good at these things because it is designed to be flexible. It is independent of particular communications media. It has a scripting language. It is one of the very few, if not the only, communications software programs for UNIX that can dial a modem that is connected to a terminal server that can only be reached by TELNET. We went to a lot of trouble to give you this functionality. You will also find that file transfers tend to work over such connections, and even stranger ones than these. In other words, Kermit is not only a robust file transfer protocol, but also a good communications software program. The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same connection where Kermit works fine are: . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. . Kermit protocol, or a good version of it, is not available on the other end. The latter should be addressed by installing decent Kermit implementations on BBSs and other dialup services. With the advent of Kermit Lite for DOS and Windows and C-Kermit for OS/2, UNIX, VMS, and numerous other operating systems, both of which are designed for easy use as "external protocols", there is no reason not to have fast and reliable Kermit service everywhere. For example, see the article on Kermit and BBS's in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 23:07:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:07:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27444 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 19:07:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit for AOS/VS Date: 17 May 1995 23:07:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3pdvka$qpi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3pbh6d$38$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Mark Murphy <72351.3036@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >Where can I get C-Kermit for DG AOS/VS in dumpfile format? > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/ckd190.uue Uudecode it and poof, it's an AOS/VS dumpfile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 03:15:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16319 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!toads.pgh.pa.us!icarus.lis.pitt.edu!xuj From: xuj@icarus.lis.pitt.edu (Jie Xu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Date: 17 May 1995 03:15:00 GMT Organization: University of Pittsburgh Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: icarus.lis.pitt.edu Keywords: RPI Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I installed a ZOOM 14.4 PC model 110 faxmodem and MS-Kermit 3.14 patch 0, but could not get error crrection (V.42, MNP2-4) or compression (V.42bis, MNP5) work. Here's what I did. I added an entry in dialups.txt, with speed set at 57600. Because the command AT &Q5 in modems\zoom.scr is not supported by this modem, I changed to AT &Q6 to select asynchornous mode with speed buffering. Then I dialed a V.32bis/LAMP/V.42bis modem using dial macro, the connection was 14400 without any protocols. The manual of this faxmodem says: "This faxmodem uses RPI, the Rockwell Protocol Interface, to implement V.42 and MNP 2-4 error correction as well as V.42bis and MNP 5 data compression. The RPI-based implementation works just like built-in or harware-based V.42, V.42bis and MNP when you use it with RPI-compatable data communucations software. If you have a specific use that requires error correction and you can't use RPI-compatable software, you will need a faxmodem with built-in V.42 or MNP2-4 error cor rection." My question is if MS-Kermit 3.14 is RPI-compatable. If it is, what did I do wrong or what should do? If it is not, will it be? From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 07:59:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 17 May 1995 22:54:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!news.dkrz.de!dscomsa.desy.de!usenet From: PETER@EMBL-HAMBURG.DE (Peter Bendall) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 17 May 1995 07:59:57 GMT Organization: EUROPEAN MOLECULAR BIOLOGY LAB. HAMBURG Lines: 78 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: gelert.embl-hamburg.de X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS 1.22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being sent to Compuserve as Binary. I would be grateful if somebody could help, please! Is this a Compuserve problem? Wolfgang Zander, , asks:= ================================================================================ Note 135.0 CKERMIT upload to COMPUSERVE 7 replies DECUS::ZANDER "Wolfgang,BTS GmbH,ICC Weiterstadt" 29 lines 10-APR-1995 12:42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [Ich habe ein Problem mit CKERMIT 5A (189) beim Upload von Bindrdateien] [zu Compuserve. Der connect erfolgt ueber den Port TTA2: einer VAX ] [4000/100A auf ein Standard 14,4K Modem. Die Terminalemulation ist ok. ] I have a problem with CKERMIT 5A(189) when uploading Binary Data to Compuserve. The connect is made over port TTA2 of a VAX 4000/100A using a standard 14.4K Modem. Terminalemulation is OK. [Ich habe vor dem Upload folgende Einstellungen gemacht:] Before uploading, I gave the following settings: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHAR TRANSPARENT SET FILE TYPE BINARY SET SEND PACKET 2000 SET BLOCK 3 SET WINDOW 4 [Auf Compuserve im Mail-Forum starte ich den Empfang mit] [Kermit-Protokoll und Filetype binaer. Dann sende ich vom CKERMIT aus] [das File mit SEND filename. Der Transfer erfolgt problemlos ohne eine] [Fehlermeldung.] I start the receive in the Mail-Forum with Kermit Protocol and BINARY file type. The transfer completes without error messages. [ Wenn ich mir jedoch das empfangene File auf COMPUSERVE [ansehe, ist es laenger geworden. Bei einem Byte-fuer Byte-Vergleich [stellt sich heraus, dass bei der Uebertragung nach 238 Zeichen, in [denen kein 0x0a vorkam, die zwei Zeichen 0x0d, 0x0a eingefuegt werden When I look at the received file on Compuserve, I see that it has increased in size. By a Byte for Byte comparison, it appears that when - after 238 characters no Hex 0A character has appeared - a pair has been inserted. [und wenn ein 0x0a vorkommt, wird ebenfalls dahinter ein 0x0d,0x0a] [eingefuegt. Dadurch wird natuerlich jedes Binaerfile unbrauchbar. Whenever a Hex 0A occurs, a pair has been inserted. The binary file is therefore useless. [Es sieht so aus, als ob die Aenderungen fuer ein Textfile gemacht werden,] [obwohl waehrend des Uploads der Filetype mit "binary" angezeigt wird.] * It looks exactly as though the file type has been changed to TEXT, although throughout the upload, type "Binary" is shown. [Das Terminal TTA2: habe ich auch mit /passall probiert-ohne Erfolg.] Setting the VAX terminal to /passall brings nothing! [Hat vielleicht jemand einen Tip fuer mich ?] [Vielen Dank im Voraus !] [Wolfgang Zander] Thanks! -------------------------------------------- --- Peter Bendall Computer Manager European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Hamburg Outstation. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Internet: Peter@EMBL-Hamburg.de | Tel: +49 40 - 899 02 133 Home: http://www.embl-hamburg.de/~Peter | FAX: +49 40 - 899 02 149 == GAT d@(-) -p+ c+(++) l@ u-() e? m@ s+/+ n+ h?(---) f- g@(+) w+ t r y?(@) == From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 00:00:49 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19386 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:49 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!sunic.sunet.se!erinews.ericsson.se!eua.ericsson.se!news.sics.se!ifi.uio.no!nntp.uio.no!nntp.uio.no!tarjeij From: tarjeij@ulrik.uio.no (Tarjei Jensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: bug in OS/2 ckermit 191, 24 april 1995? Date: 16 May 95 11:11:22 Organization: University of Oslo, Norway Lines: 33 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: ulrik.uio.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I do a "show term" command I get the following display regardless of wheter the bytesize is 7 or 8. The displayed value for the bytesize is 8 regardless of actual value. Terminal parameters: Bytesize: command: 8 bits terminal: 8 bits Type: VT220 ID: [?62;1;2;6;9c Echo: remote Locking-shift: off Newline-mode: off Cr-display: normal Cursor: underline : Arrow-keys: cursor Keypad-mode: numeric Answerback: off response: OS/2 C-Kermit 501191 VT220 Bell: beep Wrap: on Transmit-timeout: 15 Output-pacing: 0 Roll-mode: insert Scrollback: 2000 APC: off Font: (full screen only) Code-page: active: 850 available: 850, 0, 0, 0 Height: 24 Width: 80 Screen-update: mode: fast (fast) update freq: 100 Debug mode: off Session log: (inactive) Greetings, -- // Tarjei T. Jensen // tarjeij@ulrik.uio.no || +47 51 563411 // Support you local rescue centre: GET LOST! // Working, but not speaking for the Norwegian Hydrographic Service. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 05:30:17 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24688 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 01:37:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 01:37:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!davidlee.demon.co.uk!david From: david lee Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ftp site for Kermit to run on SCO unix Date: 18 May 1995 06:30:17 +0100 Organization: None Lines: 17 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: david@davidlee.demon.co.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Newswin Alpha 0.7 X-Posting-Host: davidlee.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Does anybody know of Kermit free/shareware that can run on Sco unix and its ftp site. Regards -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | david lee EMail david@demon.co.uk | | Work phone 01494 878531 | Post Computer Systems Dept, | S.S.V.C. | Chalfont Grove, | Narcot La., | Gerrards Cross, | Bucks | England SL9 8TN --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 06:03:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25832 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 02:03:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 02:03:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: bug in OS/2 ckermit 191, 24 april 1995? Date: 18 May 1995 06:03:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3penvt$ip9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tarjei Jensen wrote: > >When I do a "show term" command I get the following display regardless of wheter >the bytesize is 7 or 8. The displayed value for the bytesize is 8 regardless of >actual value. > > >Terminal parameters: > Bytesize: command: 8 bits terminal: 8 bits These values represent the current settings of SET {COMMAND,TERMINAL} BYTESIZE When I set command bytesize 7, Show Terminal shows me: Terminal parameters: Bytesize: command: 7 bits terminal: 7 bits Type: VT220 ID: [?62;1;2;6;9c Echo: remote Locking-shift: on Newline-mode: off Cr-display: normal Cursor: full : Arrow-keys: cursor Keypad-mode: numeric Answerback: on response: OS/2 C-Kermit 501192 VT220 Bell: system sounds Wrap: on Transmit-timeout: 15 Output-pacing: 0 Roll-mode: insert Scrollback: 20000 APC: on Font: (full screen only) Code-page: active: 850 available: 437,850, 0, 0 Height: 49 Width: 80 Screen-update: mode: fast (fast) update freq: 100 Debug mode: off Session log: (inactive) Colors: border helptext selection statusline terminal-screen underlined-text fore: blue black black black lgray yellow back: brown red cyan blue blue CONNECT-mode escape character: 29 (Ctrl-], GS) See SHOW CHARACTER-SETS for character-set info [G:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit>c [G:\CKERMIT] C-Kermit> Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 15:24:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06659 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 15:11:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23000 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 15:10:59 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ftp site for Kermit to run on SCO unix Date: 18 May 1995 15:24:13 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3pfoqt$gh2@hippo.shef.ac.uk> References: <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <25279016wnr@davidlee.demon.co.uk> you wrote: : Hi : Does anybody know of Kermit free/shareware that can run on Sco unix : and its ftp site. kuso.shef.ac.uk, src.doc.ic.ac.uk, kermit.columbia.edu on kuso.shef.ac.uk I currently have ckuker.sco32v4.gz ckuker.sco32v4gcc.gz ckuker.sco32v4net.gz ckuker.sco32v4netc.gz ckuker.sco32v4netgcc.gz ckuker.sco3r2netnd.gz ckuker.sco_odt30.gz ckuker.sco_xenix_2.3.gz in the directory /ftp/pub/tools/KERMIT/CKERMIT -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 22:47:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18821 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:47:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:47:12 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Date: 18 May 1995 22:47:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 122 Message-Id: <3pgipc$9o7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: RPI Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us>, Jie Xu wrote: : I installed a ZOOM 14.4 PC model 110 faxmodem and MS-Kermit 3.14 patch : 0, but could not get error crrection (V.42, MNP2-4) or compression : (V.42bis, MNP5) work. Here's what I did. I added an entry in : dialups.txt, with speed set at 57600. Because the command AT &Q5 in : modems\zoom.scr is not supported by this modem, I changed to AT &Q6 to : select asynchornous mode with speed buffering. Then I dialed a : V.32bis/LAMP/V.42bis modem using dial macro, the connection was 14400 : without any protocols. : : The manual of this faxmodem says: "This faxmodem uses RPI, the Rockwell : Protocol Interface, to implement V.42 and MNP 2-4 error correction as : well as V.42bis and MNP 5 data compression. The RPI-based : implementation works just like built-in or harware-based V.42, V.42bis : and MNP when you use it with RPI-compatable data communucations : software. If you have a specific use that requires error correction and : you can't use RPI-compatable software, you will need a faxmodem with : built-in V.42 or MNP2-4 error correction." : I'm afraid you did not read this carefully enough when you purchased the modem. I don't blame you, unless you are a lawyer. : My question is if MS-Kermit 3.14 is RPI-compatable. If it is, what did I do : wrong or what should do? If it is not, will it be? : From the Kermit FAQ: 18. Q: KERMIT DOESN'T WORK RIGHT WITH MY ERROR-CORRECTING MODEM! A: Kermit and "RPI" modems -- you might want to read this... When you buy a modern error-correcting, data-compressing, speed-buffering modem, you probably expect the modem to perform those functions, and most do. Unfortunately, some modems that claim to have these features do not have them at all, but rather come with software that implements them in your computer, rather than in the modem where they belong. Such software is said to "comply" with the Rockwell Protocol Interface (RPI), a proprietary "standard" from Rockwell International Company that allows modem companies to sell modems at a lower price by incorporating Rockwell chips that do not include error-correction or compression capabilities. This "standard" must be licensed from Rockwell, hence you will only find it implemented in commercial software, such as on the diskette that came with your modem. If your modem documentation says it requires "RPI-compatible" software for error correction and compression, and you want to use it with Kermit, then you bought the wrong modem. Hopefully, you can return it. If not, you can still use it without error correction, but then: . Noise is not filtered out on the modem-to-modem connection, as it would be with a real error-correcting modem, and noise bursts will interfere with your online sessions and your file transfers. . There is no modem-to-modem compression, because that requires error correction. . There is no flow control, because that too requires an error-correction protocol between the modems. . There is no speed buffering, because that requires flow control between the modems. Thus, if the two modems have different interface speeds, vast amounts of data are likely to be lost. Thus, none of the modem's "advanced features" are really there. Why RPI is a bad idea: . It requires every communications software program in the world to be rewritten. . It drives up the cost of communication software. . It slows down your computer by consuming a vast amount of CPU cycles over and above what would be used if error-correction and compression were done in the modem. . It increases the memory requirements of the communication software. . It seeks to replace open communication method (the one that is universally used by serial communication software) by a closed, proprietary, licensed one, and potentially hold hostage all communications software developers to nondisclosure agreements. . It precludes publication of source code. . Since MNP 2-5 and V.42 and V.42bis are complex protocols, the software implementations will inevitably be buggy and are unlikely to be consistent, especially since the "standard" is not an open one, and the implementations themselves will not be open. . Since not all software in the world will be "upgraded" to "support" the RPI "standard", your modem will not be usable in many of the ways you might have expected to use it. . Many people will buy these modems under the mistaken impression that they can use their high speeds and advanced features with their favorite software. The average mass-market consumer is unlikely to understand the implications of "requires RPI-compliant software" in tiny print on the box. What are the benefits of RPI? . Lower-cost modems? It's hard to imagine that this could be true, at least not in 1995, with full-function V.34 modems on the market in the $200 range. The place for a modem-to-modem protocol is IN THE MODEM. Expecting it to be implemented in each and every software program that uses modems is like expecting each automobile driver to build their own oil well and refinery rather than going to a gas station for gas. If you have unwittingly bought an RPI modem, your response should not be to pressure the maker of your communication software to support it, but rather to get your money back from the vendor and put it towards a real modem. Communication software developers should be spending their time adding REAL functionality to their programs, not compensating for the cynical marketing ploys of modem manufacturers, whose behavior should not be rewarded. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 22:51:32 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:51:40 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10164 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 18:51:37 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS Kermit cant upload to Compuserve Date: 18 May 1995 22:51:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3pgj1l$9ti@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article <3pcadt$8o4@dscomsa.desy.de>, Peter Bendall wrote: >The following question is unanswered on the German DECUS Notes Conference >Relating to an apparent conversion of a file from Binary to Text after being >sent to Compuserve as Binary. > > [Ich habe ein Problem mit CKERMIT 5A (189) beim Upload von Bindrdateien] > [zu Compuserve. Der connect erfolgt ueber den Port TTA2: einer VAX ] > [4000/100A auf ein Standard 14,4K Modem. Die Terminalemulation ist ok. ] > The problem is that the user did not read the documentation. Luckily, it is available in German: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Price: DM 88,00. Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover. Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29. The answer (already pointed out by somebody else on this forum) is given on page 463 of the German edition. To recapitulate, the problem is that VMS ZIP files are stored in a text format (Stream_LF), and so Kermit transfers them in text mode. You must use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE to override this. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 00:53:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00421 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:38:25 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 18 May 1995 23:38:23 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!moggie.acs.wmich.edu!tucker From: "John D. Tucker" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MAIL command of MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 15:53:46 -0900 Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 22 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: moggie.acs.wmich.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: tucker@gumby.cc.wmich.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Under MSKERMIT version 3.13 (patch level 21), I could issue a command of mail c:\$temp$\bmail.* john.tucker@wmich.edu and all BMAIL files would be mailed. The BMAIL files would be parts 1 to N parts of a UUENCODED binary. This works successfully. Under MSKERMIT version 3.14 (patch level 3), issuing the same command results in a report of all parts being successfully mailed but only part 1 is received. The mainframe is running CKERMIT 5A(189) in server mode under Sun OS 4.1.4 (Unix) for both tests. Initialization and other files for both Kermits are the same (only the MSKERMIT.EXE and MSKERMIT.PCH files are changed). Anyone have any insights or solutions? Thanks. John D. Tucker Phone: (616) 387-5448 Systems Programmer Internet: john.tucker@wmich.edu University Computing Services Ham Radio: WB8ZVV/AA Western Michigan University ICBM Addr.: 42 17 30 N 85 35 14 W Kalamazoo, Michigan USA 49008 Audio Addr.: "Hey Tucker!" From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 14:04:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15145 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 05:32:10 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 05:32:08 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!tonydev From: tonydev@cmhcsys.com (Tony - Development) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and MS TCP/IP Date: 18 May 1995 14:04:36 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems, Dublin, Ohio Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3pfk5k$6em@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cmhcprd.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone been able to use kermit and Microsoft's TCP/IP at the same time without having to use 2 IP addresses? If so, I would appreciate some info on how you accomplished this. Thanks, Tony tony@cmhcsys.com From news@columbia.edu Wed May 17 17:35:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!newsserver.pixel.kodak.com!newsserver.rdcs.Kodak.COM!spoelhof.OLP From: spoelhof@kodak.com (Gordon Spoelhof) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to get return code from C kermit? Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 13:35:12 -0400 Organization: Eastman Kodak Company Lines: 26 Distribution: world Message-Id: <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.OLP> Reply-To: spoelhof@kodak.com (Gordon Spoelhof) Nntp-Posting-Host: spoelhof.itc.kodak.com Summary: C Kermit does not return exit code Keywords: c kermit, exit code X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am setting up a shell script on a Sun workstation which uploads and/or downloads specific files from a PC client for a prototype application. The C Kermit utility does not return an invalid exit code when the transfer fails... Is there a simple way to do this, or do I have to hack the C Kermit source? Please respond to spoelhof@kodak.com Thanks in advance! Gordon Spoelhof Eastman Kodak Company / Image Management Platform Center 25 Edendery Circle / Fairport, NY 14450-1013 USA Email: spoelhof@kodak.com Phone: +1 716 726 0118 / FAX: +1 716 726 7619 Secretary: +1 716 726 7502 (Laurie Saunders) Where there's smoke -- there's smoke... Gordon Spoelhof Eastman Kodak Company 25 Edendery Circle / Fairport, NY 14450-1013 USA Email: spoelhof@kodak.com / Phone: +1 716 726 0118 / FAX: +1 716 726 7619 Secretary: +1 716 726 7502 (Laurie Saunders) From news@columbia.edu Thu May 18 08:25:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:15 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 07:09:13 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!xlink.net!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!uni-regensburg.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!muster!pippi!gk72 From: gk72@pippi.hrz.uni-giessen.de (Arthur Teschler) Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Sender: news@muster.hrz.uni-giessen.de Message-Id: Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 08:25:12 GMT Reply-To: Arthur.Teschler@informatik.med.uni-giessen.de References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Inst. f. Med. Informatik, Uni Giessen X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On 17 May 1995 23:04:18 GMT Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In other words, Kermit is not only a robust file transfer protocol, but also : a good communications software program. Agreed ! : The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same : connection where Kermit works fine are: : . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read : our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. : . Kermit protocol, or a good version of it, is not available on the other : end. : The latter should be addressed by installing decent Kermit implementations : on BBSs and other dialup services. With the advent of Kermit Lite for DOS : and Windows and C-Kermit for OS/2, UNIX, VMS, and numerous other operating : systems, both of which are designed for easy use as "external protocols", : there is no reason not to have fast and reliable Kermit service everywhere. I wish that would be common sense, but in fact not all BBS admins think the same way. And then I'm off. I did not succeed to get minicom nor seyon, which include xyz-modem _and_ kermit capabilities, running on my system (SunOS4.3). I would like to use kermit only but there _are_ some sites, which cannot handle it. -- Arthur.Teschler@uni-giessen.de From news@columbia.edu Fri May 12 17:07:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 11:29:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 11:29:00 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!fu-berlin.de!dtp2.arts.qub.ac.UK!not-for-mail From: ajs@clio.arts.qub.ac.uk (A.J. Sheehan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Date: Fri, 12 May 95 17:07:42 GMT Organization: Arts Computing Unit, Q.U.B. Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3p014e$pba@fu-berlin.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: dtp2.arts.qub.ac.uk (143.117.8.39) X-Access: 16 26 46 X-Newsreader: News Xpress Version 1.0 Beta #3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu testing... A.J. Sheehan Arts Computing Unit Queen's University, Belfast Ireland From news@columbia.edu Sun May 14 12:42:35 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17476 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 15:22:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 15:22:55 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.chnt.gtegsc.com!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!news.mira.net.au!nitro.apana.org.au!not-for-mail From: cpt@nitro.apana.org.au (Con Tassios) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under Windows95 Date: 14 May 1995 22:42:35 +1000 Organization: Nitro - Private Linux site. Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3p4trr$muf@nitro.apana.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: nitro.apana.org.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone successfully used Kermit's TCP/IP capabilities under Windows95? I have heard about NDIS3PKT which is a Windows VxD, it apparently works on Windows for Workgroups but I'm not sure if it I'll work under Win95. If someone has been able to run packet driver based TCP/IP applications under Windows95 please let me know how. Con. -- Con Tassios cpt@nitro.apana.org.au From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 22:28:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 19:28:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 19:28:18 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au!csuvax1!anson From: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Date: 19 May 1995 22:28:31 GMT Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3pj62fINNnuu@newsman.murdoch.edu.au> References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , Ron Bollen wrote: >: But I want to use Z-modem filetransfer too. >This is a rather strange question to appear in the Kermit newsgroup. >Why are there are so many questions of like this? "I have a very >complicated setup and Kermit works perfectly, but I want to use Zmodem..." - I think because a number of modems sold with associated software (communication software) in which, Kermit transfer is not available. I don't know why ! >Kermit is good at these things because it is designed to be flexible. It is >independent of particular communications media. - When I first came to the world of modem and Internet 2 yrs ago, I tried a number of communication programs. After I tried Kermit, I liked it so much that I never use any others ... :)) Regards, Bi`nh. -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Binh Anson Perth, Western Australia Email: anson@csuvax1.murdoch.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 15:38:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:00:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:00:04 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.belwue.de!news.belwue.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Message-Id: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Date: 19 May 95 15:38:10 GMT Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 6 Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) I used cslipper. Any idea ? Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko From news@columbia.edu Mon May 15 02:29:39 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:46:08 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 19 May 1995 20:46:07 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu!ee!dpd From: dpd@ee.wustl.edu (David P. Discher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Help ... Date: 15 May 1995 02:29:39 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ee.wustl.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I nee some help finding a new kermit program, I thought this newgroup looked like some out there can help me. I use C-Kermit (C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, SUNOS 4.x {if that info helps}) to transfer usually binary files from my SunUnix account to my local macintosh, now over a 28.8 Fax/Modem. I am looking for a kermit program on the Unix side to go to a packet-length longer that 2048. My Macintosh Kermit program will, so I assume that a Unix program will. This sould speed up transfers a bit. (By the way, the modems I dial into are only 14.4 v.42bis) I am trying to get every second out of the transfer. If there is something better than kermit to, please point me there. If there is a better newsgroup to post to, tell me, I get them all. And if there is a better kermit ... please point me that way ... one with an auto install shell(one that will install stuff for idiots, though I am not, I don't know the finer points of Unix). Also DON'T TRASH MY MAC. I've heard it all from the PC users (DOS users). ..... or most of it anyway. Thanks for give this your time ... One More thing ---- Please respond E-mail dpd@ee.wustl.edu -thanks. -- David P. Discher dpd@ee.wustl.edu http://www.ee.wustl.edu/~dpd/ "To be great is to be misunderstood ..." -Ralph Waldo Emerson,"Self-Reliance" From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 18:29:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 05:35:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 05:35:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!simtel!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: making APPEND default LOG SESSION behaviour? Date: 20 May 1995 03:59:37 +0930 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm running C-Kermit 5A (190) under Unixware 1.1.2 and wonder if there's either a command I could put in the .kermrc or even a simple source code change that will make the default LOG SESSION behaviour APPEND? If one is logging onto a support bbs and capturing messages, there is a risk of not remembering to type APPEND every time and losing previously captured messages )-:. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:33:16 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11407 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 07:23:20 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05497 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 07:23:17 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news-e1a.megaweb.com!newstf01.news.aol.com!uunet!whoami-file-missing!caf From: caf@whoami-file-missing.uucp (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) Subject: Re: Using Z-modem within C-kermit. Organization: Omen Technology INC Date: Sat, 20 May 1995 10:33:16 GMT Message-Id: References: <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pdvdi$qf7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >The most common reasons for people wishing to use Zmodem on the same >connection where Kermit works fine are: > > . They think Zmodem will go faster. This is rarely true. Please read > our FAQ at http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt. For a second opinion, please get knewstru.zip from TeleGodzilla or the FTP site. After one has digested the information in knewstru.zip, the question of who is accurate may arise. Consider this: Frank da Cruz was invited to the Protocol Shootout described in knewstru.zip. The Protocol Shootout was held in public (references in knewstru.zip). On the other hand, neither Columbia University nor Frank da Cruz have given me the same courtesy. They have not answered my repeated challenges to repeat the so-called "True-Life Benchmarks" tests in public while allowing me to supervise the fairness and legitimacy of the testing. -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX caf@omen.COM 503-621-3406 FAX:-3735 Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software" Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-621-3746 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 16:24:25 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09348 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 12:55:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 12:55:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!oleane!pipex!warwick!news.shef.ac.uk!kusogari From: kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit 3.14 with SCO UNIX DOS MERGE hangs Date: 20 May 1995 16:24:25 GMT Organization: Centre for Japanese Studies, Univ. of Sheffield Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Reply-To: cck@kuso.shef.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: kuso.shef.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When I try to run kermit 3.14 under DOS MERGE, there is no screen response even if I start kermit with a null initialization file. I am starting dos with the command dos +adcom1 to give kermit hardware access to the com port. Why, you might ask, am I trying to run MS Kermit under DOS under UNIX when there is a perfectly good C-Kermit for SCO UNIX? The answer is that MS-Kermit has better support for Japanese, and my version of SCO UNIX supports DOS/V and Windows 3.1J under UNIX. -- Earl H. Kinmonth, Centre for Japanese Studies, University of Sheffield, Sheffield, England S10 2TN jp1ek@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 19:15:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 15:43:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00102 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 15:43:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!warp.cris.com!viking.cris.com!Mskreis From: Mskreis@cris.com (Mark Kreisberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Telnet D'load prob w/OS2 C-kermit Date: 20 May 1995 19:15:48 GMT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: viking-fddi.cris.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi I'm using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) as a telnet client and am having problems when downloading files. Throughput is good initially (around 1200 cps for binary files) but often after some time has elapsed the transfer rate steadily decreases. I initially thought that the problem was from timing out and based on recommendations increased both the 'set receive timeout' and the 'set send timeout' parameters. I thought that this had solved the problem but I noticed the same slowdown the other day when downloading multiple files (app 2MB total) via get *. The transfer rate decreased by about 200% and yet no timeout was indicated. Any suggestions? Thanks Mark K From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 20:15:54 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 16:16:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01694 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 16:16:03 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet D'load prob w/OS2 C-kermit Date: 20 May 1995 20:15:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3plilq$1kf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3plf54$jtm@warp.cris.com>, Mark Kreisberg wrote: >Hi > >I'm using OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191) as a telnet client and am having problems >when downloading files. Throughput is good initially (around 1200 cps >for binary files) but often after some time has elapsed the transfer rate >steadily decreases. I initially thought that the problem was from >timing out and based on recommendations increased both the 'set receive >timeout' and the 'set send timeout' parameters. I thought that this had >solved the problem but I noticed the same slowdown the other day when >downloading multiple files (app 2MB total) via get *. The transfer rate >decreased by about 200% and yet no timeout was indicated. Any suggestions? > There's a very strong possiblility that it is just network load. Especially if you are using a SLIP connection. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Sat May 13 00:05:40 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18616 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 17:32:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 17:32:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.boxhill.com!news.sprintlink.net!gatech!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!ames!news.hawaii.edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Starting OS/2 Kermit from DOS batch file X-Nntp-Posting-Host: mpg.phys.hawaii.edu Message-Id: Sender: news@news.hawaii.edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Sat, 13 May 1995 00:05:40 GMT Lines: 6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way to start OS/2 C-Kermit from a DOS session BAT file, run a script, and then return to the calling point in the DOS batch file? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:11:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit 3.14 with SCO UNIX DOS MERGE hangs Message-Id: <1995May20.161132.51658@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 95 16:11:31 MDT References: <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pl53p$ohm@hippo.shef.ac.uk>, kusogari@shef.ac.uk (Earl H. Kinmonth) writes: > When I try to run kermit 3.14 under DOS MERGE, there is no screen > response even if I start kermit with a null initialization file. > > I am starting dos with the command dos +adcom1 to give kermit > hardware access to the com port. > > Why, you might ask, am I trying to run MS Kermit under DOS under > UNIX when there is a perfectly good C-Kermit for SCO UNIX? The > answer is that MS-Kermit has better support for Japanese, and my > version of SCO UNIX supports DOS/V and Windows 3.1J under UNIX. ----------- It's DOS Merge. I tried the same thing with my UnixWare 2.01 machine and received the same session hang. I had to open another Telnet session to kill off items. True whether MS-DOS Kermit is run from the console or from across the net. Killing either of Merge's processes crt or tkbd clears up the matter. MSK is doing only very legit DOS and Bios work during startup (and throughout actually), no undocumented or cute tricks. Conclusion: Merge has problems. Perhaps the Locus folks will get this message and see if things can be fixed. [MSK does run fine with all versions of DOS 2 and above, in DOS boxes of OS/2, NT/Daytona, Windows 2&3, Windows 95, and with DESQview.] Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat May 20 10:14:41 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20747 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:14 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 20 May 1995 18:48:13 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet / Slip with Kermit ? Message-Id: <1995May20.161441.51659@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 May 95 16:14:41 MDT References: <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1738FA01S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de writes: > Hi, I don't need it, but I tried it once and it didn't work. I set all > the tcp/ip things, dns etc.., a tcp/ip host, but this host didn't come. > Nobody knows it here, the only guy who knew has left the university ;-) > I used cslipper. Any idea ? > > Greetings from the Rhine, Heiko ------- Heiko, I can't quite make out what you did do, and with what packages. If it's MS-DOS Kermit v3.14, the current release, then it works fine over SLIP. But you need to have your SLIP driver working properly and the other end of the wire needs to have its SLIP driver working well too. And the remote host has to route IP traffic for you. That is a lot of places where things can go wrong. Perhaps you can tell us the full details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 19 15:59:20 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06080 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 02:17:22 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 02:17:21 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!genmagic!rahul.net!a2i!kaiwan.kaiwan.com!news.claremont.edu!nntp-server.caltech.edu!draco.macsch.com!madrid!campbell From: doug.campbell@macsch.com (Doug Campbell) Subject: Long filenames Message-Id: Sender: campbell%madrid@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Doug Campbell) Organization: PDA Engineering Distribution: pda Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 15:59:20 GMT Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a kermit available for DOS, NT or Win95 that supports long filname transfers? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 10:23:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 06:36:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 06:36:56 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Is MS-Kermit 3.14 RPI-compatible? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3pbpnk$h5l@toads.pgh.pa.us> <3pgipc$9o7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sun, 21 May 1995 10:23:10 GMT Lines: 26 Sender: jhurwit@netcom9.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank and Joe, Thank you for your **VERY** timely responses. I just today bit on one of these RPI modems myself, and it took me most of the day to figure out what I have. The RPI bit is hidden out on the back of the box: "*Error Control* V.42 and MNP RPI software," and "*Data Compression* V.42bis RPI software." The box design is such that, unless you happen to already know what RPI is, you think you're getting a modem with MNP/ V.42 LAPM/V.42.bis compression built in. Truely deceptive. I had to 1) install the modem in my PC (I hope that doesn't invalidate the 30 day return policy of the place I bought it from!), 2) study the owner's manual and the Comit (comm program bundled with the modem) manual, and 3) spend some time in comp.dcom.modems before I realized what's going on. I was also about to ask about Kermit support for RPI modems (until I saw this thread), but with a difference: In comp.dcom.modems, I noticed some mention of RPI drivers (loaded from config.sys as device drivers, or as TSR's?), which supposedly can be used with any comm package. I was going to ask where such drivers could be found, and if they would be compaible with Kermit. That's what I *was* going to do. Now, I think I'll see if I can just return the cheezy thing, and inquire about the package, too. This isn't my first experience with Rockwell (they make power tools, too)... :-/ Jeff From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 12:20:44 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 08:59:58 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 08:59:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!UZS106 From: UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.infosystems.www.users,alt.hypertext Subject: Re: Lynx Marries Kermit! Message-Id: <1739316A3S85.UZS106@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de> Date: 21 May 95 12:20:44 GMT References: <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> Organization: RHRZ Uni-Bonn Lines: 57 Nntp-Posting-Host: ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:2799 comp.infosystems.www.users:27266 alt.hypertext:9568 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrr4o$p2m@nntp.crl.com> tailor@crl.com (Victor Schneider) writes: > >In article , monty@indirect.com says... >> >>From my powerful 20 MHz i80386 PC with the deluxe 40 MB hard drive, I >>connect to my local ISP using MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 PL3 and the SLIP8250 >>packet driver. My powerful Toshiba T 1000 SE with Floppy (!) and D:\ Drive, should I buy me another 1 Meg ram-drive ?... > >Do us all a favor, will you, and post URLs where these two programs can >be gotten. > >> I then telnet to my BSD/OS 2.0 UNIX shell account, usually >>establishing several simultaneous sessions. From there, I read mail with >>elm, USENET news with tin, and, most importantly, browse the Web with >>Lynx--all at breakneck speed, _sans_ annoying pictures, and without ever >>having to take my fingers off the home row keys (like to click a mouse). >> >>Ah, MS-DOS Kermit and Lynx! Life doesn't get any better than that! Or >>does it? If I could run Lynx on my PC--the _real_ Lynx for cursor- >>addressable, character-cell, "curses-oriented" display devices, not some >>TurboVision pretender--over a SLIP connection, > I think thats about Doslynx, UKansas... Has anybody seen the bitter comment on Cello..? Kermit and Lynx are nice, if you have colors... >The problem is that the TurboVision pretender isn't the same program as >Lynx and was developed as some kind of afterthought, with the notion that >Dos is obsolescent and UNIX is not. What they need to do, and obviously >haven't done, is to use the Lynx UNIX code to generate the Dos version of >the program. And, if they are an academic outfit, the code ought to be >well enough organized to allow this. > >>browsers: a Lynx for the little guy. What am I missing? > Somebody from Minuet annonced to me, that the next Version of this exellent Dos Programm, with nice gopher-client, will have a web-browser. Anyway, Minuet is our thing, never got Kermit via Slip to work. >You're not missing anything except the lobby of those people with a vested >interest in selling constantly larger and more elaborate computer systems >to people. > >>If I'm preachin' to the choir, let me hear ya sing! > >I'm a soloist, myself. > >>sincerely appreciated. TIA. > >No need for profanity here. > > Tralala. PS.: kermit.columbia.edu is terribly slow. Any mirrors ????? From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 13:59:48 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27905 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 13:59:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11775 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 13:59:47 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nntp.earthlink.net!usenet From: tbev@earthlink.net Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SERIAL PC-to-SPARC PROBLEM(s) Date: Sun, 21 May 95 10:16:00 DT Organization: Earthlink Network, Inc. Lines: 40 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tbev.earthlink.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Newsreader: NEWTNews & Chameleon -- TCP/IP for MS Windows from NetManage Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm a reasonably experienced KERMIT user and have successfully connected PC together via serial cables, but have encountered some problems when trying to link a PC to a Sparc station with a direct serial connection. Here's the context: I have MS-KERMIT 3.14 on my PC running WFW 3.11 and C-KERMIT (190) 5A on my Sparc running SUN OS 4.1.4. The db-25 male cable ends from both the PC and Sparc cables have each been individually (and successfully) connected to a modem and then Kermit used as a terminal to various BBS systems. This would seem to verify the integrity of the two computer cables as well as the respective Kermit to machine port paths. When trying to use Kermit to connect my PC to my Sparc I did the following: 1) I set both PC and Sparc kermits to 9600, modem=none/direc, and RTS/DTS. My PC is using COM2, my Sparc /etc/ttya. 2) I connected the two db-25/male cable ends from the PC and Sparc serial cables together with 1) a 25 pin straight through gender changer, i.e. a module having two female db-25 connectors wired pin-to-pin. I then ran connect on both machines but could never get them to connect. Furthermore, my PC kermit hung entirely while emitting a continous series of beeps. 3) Thinking I had wired both machines directly, I then added a null-modem adapter to te db-25 gender changer mentioned in (2) above. I got the same results. Any suggestions. Am I doing/omitting something really brain dead? Thanx in advance for any help. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 03:22:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14988 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 21 May 1995 23:22:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 21 May 1995 23:22:28 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Starting OS/2 Kermit from DOS batch file Date: 22 May 1995 03:22:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3pp01b$a1e@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >Is there a way to start OS/2 C-Kermit from a DOS session BAT file, >run a script, and then return to the calling point in the DOS batch file? What happens when you try it? Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 07:11:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06984 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 07:11:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16636 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 07:11:48 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!decwrl!pa.dec.com!jac.zko.dec.com!i4get.enet.dec.com!henning From: henning@i4get.enet.dec.com (John L. Henning) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NT kermit? Date: 22 MAY 95 06:49:13 Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3ppntb$88p@jac.zko.dec.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: I4GET Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been using "WIN100" V2.3 for the last year under Windows, and have been happy with it. The executable is dated 10/27/91, and the author is William S. Hall. After upgrading my 486 to Windows/NT this weekend, it seems to work fine, but has a side effect that it makes the screen savers run very slowly. (For example, "Starfield Simulation". Checking with Performance Monitor shows that the CPU is always 100% busy when it is running (even if iconified). Various attempts to write PIF files (something I've never attempted before) have not yet been successful. My question: is there something I should do to increase the compatibility between WIN100 and NT? Alternatively, assistance tracking down a newer WIN100 would be great (I got mine from a shareware CD). Thanks much /John Henning CSD Performance Group Digital Equipment Corporation henning@zko.dec.com Speaking for myself, not Digital From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 13:49:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:49:55 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:49:53 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to get return code from C kermit? Date: 22 May 1995 13:49:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3pq4ph$qei@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.olp> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: c kermit, exit code Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <9505171335.AA12799@spoelhof.olp>, Gordon Spoelhof wrote: : I am setting up a shell script on a Sun workstation which uploads and/or : downloads specific files from a PC client for a prototype application. : The C Kermit utility does not return an invalid exit code when the : transfer fails... : It should. The current version is 5A(190). Maybe you have an earlier version. If it doesn't send details by email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 13:55:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:56:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 09:55:46 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: making APPEND default LOG SESSION behaviour? Date: 22 May 1995 13:55:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3pq54o$qvl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pio2h$7mm@gateway.dircsa.org.au>, Arthur Marsh wrote: : I'm running C-Kermit 5A (190) under Unixware 1.1.2 and wonder : if there's either a command I could put in the .kermrc or even : a simple source code change that will make the default LOG SESSION : behaviour APPEND? : No, sorry. However, you can make a macro to use instead of "log session append", which also has the advantage of being shorter than the original LOG SESSION command. For example: define ALOG - if not def \%1 def \% ~/logs/session.log, - log session \%1 append So now "alog" by itself appends to your ~/logs/session.log file if there is one, or creates it if there isn't, and also allows you to specify a different file, as in "alog foo.log". Maybe we'll add a command to make "new" or "append" the default action for logs (on a per-log basis) in a future release. Thanks for the suggestion. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 14:05:19 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12106 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 10:05:28 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 10:05:25 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SERIAL PC-to-SPARC PROBLEM(s) Date: 22 May 1995 14:05:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <3pq5mv$roq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I'm a reasonably experienced KERMIT user and have successfully connected PC : together via serial cables, but have encountered some problems when trying : to link a PC to a Sparc station with a direct serial connection. : : Here's the context: : : I have MS-KERMIT 3.14 on my PC running WFW 3.11 and C-KERMIT (190) 5A on my : Sparc running SUN OS 4.1.4. : : The db-25 male cable ends from both the PC and Sparc cables have each been : individually (and successfully) connected to a modem and then Kermit used as : a terminal to various BBS systems. This would seem to verify the integrity : of the two computer cables as well as the respective Kermit to machine port : paths. : : When trying to use Kermit to connect my PC to my Sparc I did the following: : : 1) I set both PC and Sparc kermits to 9600, modem=none/direc, and RTS/DTS. : My PC is using COM2, my Sparc /etc/ttya. : : 2) I connected the two db-25/male cable ends from the PC and Sparc serial : cables together with 1) a 25 pin straight through gender changer, i.e. : a module having two female db-25 connectors wired pin-to-pin. : This could never work. : 3) Thinking I had wired both machines directly, I then added a null-modem : adapter to te db-25 gender changer mentioned in (2) above. I got the : same results. : This should have made it work. The method for directly connecting two computers back to back is documented in detail in all three Kermit books, including diagrams, etc. The most common mistake, for me at least, is mistaking a gender changer for a null modem or vice versa -- many of mine are not labeled. Another common mistake is mistaking a modem cable for a terminal cable, but you already checked for that. Assuming your hookup is physically correct, I can only guess that you did not give the right sequence commands to C-Kermit. You should have given the following commands in exactly this order, as documented in "Using C-Kermit": set modem none set line /dev/ttya set speed 9600 set flow rts/cts set duplex half ; You need local echo for "chat" connections. set term newline on ; You also need this for chatting. connect Finally, if you want to log in on your Sun from the PC, then you have to enable logins on the Sun port. See your Sun documentation for how to do this. If you have any further trouble, send email direct to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon May 22 20:35:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04203 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 16:35:47 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 16:35:45 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Help ... Date: 22 May 1995 20:35:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3pqsiq$5n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3p6eaj$ju4@bigfoot.ecl.wustl.edu>, David P. Discher wrote: : I use C-Kermit (C-Kermit, 4E(072) 24 Jan 89, SUNOS 4.x {if that info helps}) : to transfer usually binary files from my SunUnix account to my local : macintosh, now over a 28.8 Fax/Modem. I am looking for a kermit program : on the Unix side to go to a packet-length longer that 2048. : Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f, file ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 01:47:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 22 May 1995 22:48:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23375 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 22 May 1995 22:48:05 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!noc.netcom.net!netcom.com!wbresler From: wbresler@netcom.com (William Bresler) Subject: Problems with OS/2 ckermit 5A(191) and AIX Message-Id: Summary: Telneting to an AIX box connects but does not display anything. Keywords: AIX telnet OS/2 kermit Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Tue, 23 May 1995 01:47:10 GMT Lines: 28 Sender: wbresler@netcom8.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using OS/2 ckermit for quite some time, especially for telnet connections, into many differnet systems, without any problems. Until now. I have just inherited an RS/6000 running AIX (downlevel at 3.2.0). I needed to telnet into it to kill a runaway X server process, so I fired up ckermit 5A(191) golden, and it looked like it connected, but nothing appeared on the screen. Characters I entered were displayed, but nothing coming from the AIX end was displayed. I turned on terminal debug and the signon panel displayed. I then turned off debug, and everything seemed normal. Obviously, there must be some setting which is needed, but is not a ckermit default, but I can't seem to find it. Any ideas or suggestions? BTW, both character mode and PM telnet from the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 base kit work correctly without changing any settings. I also want to thank Jeffrey Altman for including SOCKS support in the latest build. I finally can break through our corporate firewall, and with his special telnet stub, can even get WebExplorer to do the same with telnet links. Many thanks. Any help on the above problem greatly appreciated. -- ============================================================= William Bresler Internet: wbresler@netcom.com PAR Microsystems Corp. Phone: (404) 448-6135 3770 Data Drive Suite B FAX: (404) 368-4152 Norcross, GA USA 30092 From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 06:23:30 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 02:23:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03293 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 02:23:35 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with OS/2 ckermit 5A(191) and AIX Date: 23 May 1995 06:23:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3prv12$36n@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: AIX telnet OS/2 kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , William Bresler wrote: >I have been using OS/2 ckermit for quite some time, especially for telnet >connections, into many differnet systems, without any problems. Until now. >I have just inherited an RS/6000 running AIX (downlevel at 3.2.0). I >needed to telnet into it to kill a runaway X server process, so I fired up >ckermit 5A(191) golden, and it looked like it connected, but nothing >appeared on the screen. Characters I entered were displayed, but nothing >coming from the AIX end was displayed. Its probably the default terminal type on the AIX server. Be sure it is set to VTxxx something and not one of IBM's proprietary hacks. >I turned on terminal debug and the signon panel displayed. I then turned >off debug, and everything seemed normal. Obviously, there must be some >setting which is needed, but is not a ckermit default, but I can't seem to >find it. Any ideas or suggestions? BTW, both character mode and PM telnet >from the IBM TCP/IP 2.0 base kit work correctly without changing any >settings. That's because IBM supports their own private terminal emulations. Check the terminal type in use with PM Telnet after making the connection. >I also want to thank Jeffrey Altman for including SOCKS support in the >latest build. I finally can break through our corporate firewall, and with >his special telnet stub, can even get WebExplorer to do the same with >telnet links. Many thanks. You are welcome. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 NEW: OS/2 C-Kermit 5A(191): ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cko191.zip http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/cko191.html From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 14:25:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 10:26:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 10:25:54 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MAIL command of MSKERMIT 3.14 Date: 23 May 1995 14:25:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3psr9a$8es@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , John D. Tucker wrote: : Under MSKERMIT version 3.13 (patch level 21), I could issue a command of : mail c:\$temp$\bmail.* john.tucker@wmich.edu : and all BMAIL files would be mailed. The BMAIL files would be parts : 1 to N parts of a UUENCODED binary. This works successfully. : : Under MSKERMIT version 3.14 (patch level 3), issuing the same command : results in a report of all parts being successfully mailed but : only part 1 is received. : This appears to be a bug in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. It will be fixed either in a patch or, if that is not possible, in the next release. Meanwhile, you can work around it like this: set count \ffiles(c:\$temp$\bmail.*) assign \%i 1 :loop mail c:\$temp$\bmail.\%i fdc increment \%i if count goto loop finish to send bmail.1 through bmail.n. The other Kermit must be in server mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun May 21 22:09:11 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 19:38:57 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 19:38:56 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!tcsi.tcs.com!uunet!in1.uu.net!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.production.compuserve.com!news From: Jeff Richard <75032.3356@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit protocol for bbs use? Date: 21 May 1995 22:09:11 GMT Organization: via CompuServe Information Service Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am pretty new to this news groups so bare with me if I am not following the typical trend... I need to set up kermit on a DOS based bbs and have it do batch and single file transfers.... Is this possiable with MSKERMIT? If not does anyone know of a external Kermit protocol? It will be operating on a Syncrhronet bbs system that uses the typical batch file that contains locations and file names of files to send and receive. Thanx in advance to anyone who canhelp! From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 12:46:50 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29249 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 23 May 1995 23:11:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 23 May 1995 23:11:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Underline Color! Message-Id: <1995May23.184650.52006@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 May 95 18:46:50 MDT References: <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Okay, I tried posting this about two weeks ago, but I think it got lost > in the shuffle. > > I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14 patch level 3 to connect to a unix host. > I've got the following lines in my mscustom.ini: > > set term color 10,37,44 > set term under 1,33,44 > > So, everyone can assume that I use a blue on white screen on a vga > monitor and I want my underlined characters to be bright yellow on > blue. > > However, that's not the behavior I get from set term under. It sets > the color to yellow on blue (this means that it comes up brown looking > on blue). > > It's like it doesn't interpret the 1 at the beginning of the string. > > But here's the really unusual part. If I go back to the MS-Kermit> > prompt after I've connected and I type the command in by hand, the > colors come out as typed in! > > Am I missing something, or is this a bug in the way it's determining > the colors? ------------ It's not a bug that I know of, and it works fine here. But let me add some things to consider at your end. Intensity during terminal emulation tries to follow your DOS screen, in that a DOS bold white on blue screen shows the remote host text also bold white on blue unless the host says otherwise. That's equivalent to DEC dim white on black, or DEC "normal." If the host says do a bold operation then MSK flips intensity and you see dim but that's now DEC "bold." All this to look nice initially. So the results depend on how you got started and what the host said as well as what you said. [This reads like one of those intelligence tests where Mary is 5 years older than Jane was before Jane stopped counting.] The other mention is it could be that screen color sequencing in your startup files overrides the lines you added, so try moving yours around to double check. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue May 23 18:40:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07135 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 02:02:36 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11973 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 02:02:33 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Underline Color! Date: 23 May 1995 14:40:34 -0400 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3pta72$9s1@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Okay, I tried posting this about two weeks ago, but I think it got lost in the shuffle. I'm using MS-Kermit v3.14 patch level 3 to connect to a unix host. I've got the following lines in my mscustom.ini: set term color 10,37,44 set term under 1,33,44 So, everyone can assume that I use a blue on white screen on a vga monitor and I want my underlined characters to be bright yellow on blue. However, that's not the behavior I get from set term under. It sets the color to yellow on blue (this means that it comes up brown looking on blue). It's like it doesn't interpret the 1 at the beginning of the string. But here's the really unusual part. If I go back to the MS-Kermit> prompt after I've connected and I type the command in by hand, the colors come out as typed in! Am I missing something, or is this a bug in the way it's determining the colors? Thanks in advance... --Jerry -- 8) Jerry Alexandratos % "Nothing inhabits my (8 8) darkstar@strauss.udel.edu % thoughts, and oblivion (8 8) darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu % drives my desires." (8 From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 07:57:23 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13171 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 05:12:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 05:12:49 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!doc.news.pipex.net!pipex!warwick!bsmail!tlw From: tlw@bris.ac.uk (Tim Whitlock) Subject: MSkermit send problem.... Message-Id: Sender: usenet@ncs.bris.ac.uk (Usenet news owner) Nntp-Posting-Host: cobra.ccr.bris.ac.uk Reply-To: tlw@ccr.bris.ac.uk Organization: University of Bristol, England X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 07:57:23 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been using MSKermit 3.13 successfully for some time to send files from my Toshiba portable to a ISC Unix box running C-Kermit until the other night when I tried to send a file it appeared to transmit one packet of data to the Unix box and then failed saying can not read file. Trying to use TYPE to look at the file produced a Sharing Violation error and the usual Abort Retry etc. Perhaps its because share is installed me thinks and so I remove it....but I get the same error except I can now type the file from in kermit. Perhaps its the file I think so I try few others in various directories all with the same result. Upto this point I had already successfully transmitted files with no problem. I now find this situation appears to be permanent in that I always get this when I transmit from PC to Unix. The system still receives OK. The only time previously I have had similar problems was when I tried sending files from a floppy using the harddisk cured this. Can anyone offer any clues as to why this should suddenly occur and how I might correct this problem. Thanks in advance Tim Whitlock From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 07:52:52 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14990 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 06:03:31 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20699 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 06:03:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!knmi.nl!usenet From: vdberg Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Z-modem in Kermit Date: 24 May 1995 07:52:52 GMT Organization: KNMI, de Bilt, The Netherlands Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3puokk$s6@bdyis1.knmi.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: btp069.knmi.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu hello everyone, We have a small (big) problem. Recently we acquired a Netblazer system with Telebit modems as a modempool. This modem pool is reacheable via our LAN and from an Ultrix system we can do a 'TELNET' to this modempool. With Kermit this works fine, but some of our users still want to communicate with a Z-modem protocol. Now there is our problem, because we cannot find a xyz-modem application which supports a telnet to the Netblazer on an Ultrix (or OSF1) machine. It should be possible, however, to use a Z-modem protocol under Kermit and do a redirect of input and output. The only restriction is that the version of the Z-modem protocol should be a pre-1988 version. I have been looking around in many places, but up to now I did not encounter such a version. Is there anyone who could tell me: - where I can find such a version of the Z-modem protocol - who has had similar problems a modem pool and Z-modem (for Ultrix and OSF1) Please let me know. Kees van den Berg From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 08:40:34 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:36:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14768 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 09:19:50 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!argus!bll From: bll@argus.mh.nl (Ron Bollen) Subject: Using Z-modem in C-kermit. Message-Id: Organization: Multihouse Automatisering b.v. X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 24 May 1995 08:40:34 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi Is it possible to use an alternative filetranferprotocol in c-kermit (190)? I want to transfer files using z-modem in stead of kermit as a filetransfer protocol? My DECsystem has rz/sz installed and filetranfer using the commands is possible but i want to create a scriptfile for c-kermit, (so a batch-procedure is possible) and use z-modem as a filetranfer! Who has tried this before? Ron ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ Ron Bollen E-Mail: bll@mh.nl Technisch Specialist Tel: +31-1820-62722 Multihouse Networking, Doesburgweg 7, 2800 AT Gouda, The Netherlands ----------------------- "<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>" ------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 14:39:57 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:49:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 10:49:10 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit protocol for bbs use? Date: 24 May 1995 14:39:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3pvgft$lds@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3podm7$k4m$1@mhade.production.compuserve.com>, Jeff Richard <75032.3356@CompuServe.COM> wrote: >I am pretty new to this news groups so bare with me if I am not following >the typical trend... I need to set up kermit on a DOS based bbs and have >it do batch and single file transfers.... Is this possiable with >MSKERMIT? If not does anyone know of a external Kermit protocol? It >will be operating on a Syncrhronet bbs system that uses the typical batch >file that contains locations and file names of files to send and receive. > As of version 3.14, MS-DOS Kermit is perfectly suitable as an external protocol for BBS software, and there is even a small-size Kermit module specifically intended for that purpose, called Kermit Lite. See the relevent articles in Kermit News #6: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html And see the BBS Operators Guide in the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Every Sysop of every DOS-based BBS in the world is welcome and encouraged to install Kermit Lite as its Kermit protocol. Makers of BBS software may also contact us for licensing the Kermit module. Note that this is the real thing -- the most advanced, robust, and high-performance Kermit implementation available for PCs. There is no longer any reason for BBS's to lack Kermit protocol or to suffer with a substandard or buggy implementation of it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 16:59:38 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25701 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 16:19:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21604 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 16:19:52 -0400 Date: 24 May 1995 16:59:38 GMT Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!news.utdallas.edu!corpgate!bcarh189.bnr.ca!bcarh8ac.bnr.ca!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: 2024543.42663942@columbia.edu(Your Lifetime Health Planner) Newsgroups: control,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc,comp.protocols.nfs Sender: 2024543.42663942@columbia.edu (Your Lifetime Health Planner) Approved: trasoff@rtd.com Message-Id: Control: cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> News-Posting-Software: Cyberspam Subject: cmsg cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Approved: clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Excessive multi-posting (aka spam) cancelled by clewis@ferret.ocunix.on.ca From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 23:32:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 24 May 1995 19:32:46 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 24 May 1995 19:32:44 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Patches for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 24 May 1995 23:32:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 125 Message-Id: <3q0fmk$63t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Patches Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Some minor corrections have been made to MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 in the form of patches, new executables, and documentation. Thanks, as always, to Professor Joe Doupnik for this work. Please note that there is nothing earth-shaking here. Most of the problems corrected were reported by only one or two people, so they all qualify as obscure. The new files are available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/msdos. The binary files are: kermit.exe - New full-featured Kermit program with ARP correction. kermit_p.exe - Ditto, but with Portuguese file-transfer screen legends. The text files are: READ.ME - Reproduced below, so you don't have to ftp it. ms*.pch - The various patch files. These corrections will be folded into the base product after a period of public testing. So please test and send results to kermit@columbia.edu. Thanks! Here is the READ.ME file: MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 UPDATES Wed May 24 19:22:09 1995 These files are updates to the release product MS-DOS Kermit v3.14, dated 18 Jan 1995. There are two classes of changes in these files. The first is an updated patch file for each program of the MS-DOS Kermit suite, and the second is a modified executable for the regular (KERMIT.EXE) and the Portuguese (KERMIT_P.EXE) full products. The executables are modified to correct a TCP/IP networking problem in ensuring ARP response packets have the local hardware address included, causing some hosts (not very many of them) to reject the reply. Due to the structure of the code, the problem could not be patched and required issuing a new executable (one each for the English and Portuguese versions). If you had problems making TCP/IP connections from Kermit, you should pick up the new executable. It still bears the version number 3.14, but is dated 21 May 95. PATCHES Patches apply to both the 18 January and the 21 May executables: Patch file For executable MSR314.PCH KERMIT.EXE Full version MSRM314.PCH KERMITE.EXE Medium version MSRL314.PCH KERLITE.EXE Lite version MSRP314.PCH KERMIT_P.EXE Full version, Portuguese legends The patches are as follows: 1. Optional Orchid Designer Professional VGA board video-mode patch. Allows patching in the appropriate video mode, since different models use different modes, but identify themselves the same way to Kermit. 2. Fix for file names given on the command line in the -F option (alternate initialization file) not always being parsed correctly. 3. VT220/320 terminal emulator patch for correctly recognizing OSC and PM sequences. Without this patch, such sequences (which are rarely used) could cause Kermit to hang until reset. 4. Patch to prevent MS-DOS Kermit from improperly encoding its response to the A packet. The most notable symptom was failure to properly receive RESENDs. 5. Patch to the READ command to prevent it from improperly treating "-" at the end of a line as a continuation character. 6. Patch for TES networking: preserve TES LAT ID around restarts. 7. Optional patch for Hebrew-model VT100 terminal emulation. Described below. 8. Patch to make the MAIL command once again work properly when sending multiple files. Without this patch, the MAIL command only works for one file; e.g. "mail foo.*" would send all foo.* files, but only the first one would be mailed; the rest would disappear. THE HEBREW PATCH Certain applications are hardcoded for the DEC Hebrew-model VT100 terminal, and can't use Kermit's VT420-level Hebrew features. Reportedly, MS-DOS Kermit 3.14's interpretation of the Hebrew VT100 was incorrect. Diagnosis: ESC ) 1 selects the "Alternate ROM" character set. When this is Hebrew, it also has the side effect of switching writing direction to right-to-left, but Kermit didn't do this. ESC ) B switches back to ASCII, and resets screen writing to left-to-right. Cure: Enable Patch 7 but uncommenting it (i.e. remove the semicolon from the front of each line). Do NOT enable patch 7 if you do not require VT100-level Hebrew, because other Alternate ROMs do not have this same side effect. In the next release, we will add a SET COMMAND to control the Alternate ROM side effects. Patch 7 is available only for KERMIT.EXE because it is a difficult patch to create. If there is a strong need then a patch can be created for Portuguese and Medium versions. PROBLEM RECEIVING RESENDS If MS-DOS Kermit has its FILE COLLISION set to UPDATE, it won't be able to receive RESENDs as advertised. Instead, it will refuse the RESEND with "Refused: Date". This problem is too complex to be patched, and so a workaround must be used, one of the following: . MS-DOS Kermit's FILE COLLISION should be set to OVERWRITE when receiving RESENDs. Or: . Tell MS-DOS Kermit or the other Kermit to SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF when RESENDing. For example, here is a macro that can be used in place of RESEND in C-Kermit or MS-DOS Kermit to get around this problem: define XRESEND set attr date off, - resend \%1 \%2, - assign \%9 \v(status), - set attr date on, - end \%9 A fix will appear in the next release. (End) From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 19:44:18 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:09:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26305 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 08:09:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.starnet.net!wupost!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!falcon.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.004418.93710@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> From: tdsmith@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (SMITH TROY D) Date: 25 May 95 00:44:18 CDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: falcon.cc.ukans.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : "unknown hardware for port, using..." : - or - : "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" I see this every time I use Trumpet Winsock on the port. If Kermit is the first thing I use, it's fine. If I start Trumpet Winsock, exit, then try Kermit, I see the above message. Just exit from Kermit and restart it. It's not Kermit's fault, it's the way that Windows handles serial ports. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 20:26:08 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:34:37 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:34:34 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!newsjunkie.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!Lehigh.EDU!Lehigh.EDU!not-for-mail From: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 24 May 1995 16:26:08 -0400 Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: ns2-1.cc.lehigh.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our users will get a message similar to either of these below: "unknown hardware for port, using..." - or - "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" Please note... 1) the same script will work fine when run under DOS without these messages. 2) we are running Kermit via the .PIF file provided with the software (unmodified). 3) I cannot personally reproduce the above but several of our users now have come to me with the same problem (so I can no longer dismiss them as nuts!). Any ideas? Many thanks in advance! --------------------------------------------------------------------- John M. Troiano phone: (610)758-5060 Lehigh University Computing Center fax: (610)974-6436 Bethlehem, PA internet: jmt7@lehigh.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 14:27:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13907 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:37:48 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12402 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 11:37:46 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!csus.edu!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 14:27:46 GMT Lines: 16 Sender: helios@netcom21.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our : users will get a message similar to either of these below: : "unknown hardware for port, using..." When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 02:54:46 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15496 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 12:06:34 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 12:06:32 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May25.085446.52214@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 08:54:46 MDT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel>, pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) writes: > In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: >> It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the >> Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, >> seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, >> things get even worse). >> > > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE > caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it > fixed the problem. > > Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me > would really, really rather not know at all. ----------- Lacking a laptop computer and all the fun associated with them I must restrict myself to guesses. But if I were writing a Power.exe program I'd hook interrupts left, right, and center. Then I'd grab the timer tick interrupt (Int 8). Each "interesting" interrupt would pass through my code, I'd get the time of day (slow) and update a time of last use table, and then pass on the interrupt to the previous owner. The keyboard would be in that chain too, and DOS itself polls the heck out of the keyboard (to which we've added our overhead now). Each of these interceptions is at interrupt level and typically has interrupt recognition turned off to prevent total disaster. Int 8 ticks 18.2 times/sec. Windows uses interesting interrupts at an incredible rate. Excellent programmers can pull off these stunts with little overhead; other folks plod along. Add screen saver busywork, add DOS PRINT spooler cpu hogging, add SMARTDRIVE cpu hogging, MOUSE driver polling, delays changing between real and protected mode (above 1MB stuff) and here we are: a 486 working at XT 8088 speeds. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 18:47:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24560 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 14:47:53 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28474 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 14:47:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 25 May 1995 18:47:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 47 Message-Id: <3q2jcf$rpj@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Thomas David Nichols wrote: >jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > >: We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything >: works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our >: users will get a message similar to either of these below: > >: "unknown hardware for port, using..." > >When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the >second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have >used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your >mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS >and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to >branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. >-- >David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems Windows and/or Windows communications programs tamper with the PC BIOS, where Kermit goes to find out what ports are available and what their addresses (and IRQs) are. The solution to this problem is to supply this information to Kermit yourself. Here is a macro you can use to set your port under Windows. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is required. define PORT - if not = \v(argc) 2 end 1 Port number required, - if not = 0 \findex(:\%1:,:1:2:3:4:) forward PORT\%1, - end 1 \%1 - bad port number, - :PORT1, set com1 \x03f8 4, set port 1, end \v(status), - :PORT2, set com2 \x02f8 3, set port 2, end \v(status), - :PORT3, set com3 \x03e8 4, set port 3, end \v(status), - :PORT4, set com4 \x02e8 3, set port 4, end \v(status) Put this macro definition in your MSCUSTOM.INI file and then just tell Kermit "port 1", "port 2", "port 3", or "port 4" instead of "set port 1", etc, and everything should work as expected. IMPORTANT: The addresses and IRQs are the most common ones, but they are not going to work on every machine. PS/2s have different addresses and IRQs for COM3 and COM4. Many add-on cards -- especially internal modems -- might use different IRQs altogether, like 5. Again, see KERMIT.BWR for the gruesome details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 16:15:31 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 18:03:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 18:03:19 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!malgudi.oar.net!chemabs!usenet From: "Steven W. Layten" Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Message-Id: <1995May25.161531.13230@chemabs.uucp> To: jmt7@Lehigh.EDU Sender: usenet@chemabs.uucp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Chemical Abstracts Service References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 16:15:31 GMT X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 32bit) Lines: 42 jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > >Hello, > > We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS > everything >works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our >users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > - or - > > "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" > [other stuff deleted] I've seen the same on my home machine - a dx2-66 with an internal supra faxmodem v.32bis. I always get that message when trying to start ms-kermit AFTER an incoming call has come on my line. There appears to be something about the modem trying to send the "RING" indicator, but no application active to get it. When kermit starts, then, it cannot verify the modem properly, and decides that it must use BIOS1 instead of talking directly to the modem. If I tell kermit to "set com2 (address) (irq)" and "set port 2", then things seem to be okay again. I don't have a fix -- just this work-around. I've defined the above as a macro, and if I see the above messages (cannot use RTS/CTS, etc.), then I interrupt the dialing, run my macro, and re-do the dial command. Hope this helps. Steve Layten -- Steven W. Layten, Senior Research Scientist Chemical Abstracts Service PO BOX 3012, Columbus, OH 43210 +1 614 447 3600 INET: slayten@cas.org FAX: +1 614 447 3813 # # Speaking only for myself, and NOT for Chemical Abstracts Service! # # # From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 14:46:29 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 21:45:54 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 21:45:52 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!news.eden.com!arlut.utexas.edu!geraldo.cc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sgiblab!wrdis02.robins.af.mil!oodis01!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!newsserver.jvnc.net!daniel!pcoen From: pcoen@daniel.drew.edu (Paul Coen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal emulation incorrect? Message-Id: <1995May1.170516.121386@daniel> Date: 24 May 95 14:46:29 GMT References: <3n3koo$ref@highway.leidenuniv.nl> <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Drew University Academic Technology Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3nrtfs$aoh@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, noordam@rulcri.LeidenUniv.nl (STEPHAN NOORDAM) writes: > It looks like the problem has been solved. Not loading the > Compaq device 'power.exe', which came with my laptop, > seems to do the trick. (If I load it low, instead of high, > things get even worse). > We had some similar problems with DEC notebook computers here. POWER.EXE caused no end of problems, including dropped characters. Removing it fixed the problem. Part of me really wants to know what power.exe is doing, and part of me would really, really rather not know at all. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 09:34:27 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 22:32:01 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 22:31:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.mindlink.net!vanbc.wimsey.com!ddsw1!news.rtd.com!news From: mark@rtd.com (Mark Beeson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Control: cancel <3pujel$jq6@baygull.rtd.com> Date: 24 May 1995 09:34:27 GMT Organization: RTD Internet Access, a division of RTD Systems & Networking, Inc. Lines: 8 Approved: mark@rtd.com Message-Id: <3puuj3$2fo@baygull.rtd.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: seagull.rtd.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is a perl-generated script that is cancelling spam from trasoff@rtd.com. --Mark -- Mark Beeson | Same Broken (MB178) President, Neural InterNetworking "I've seen the enemy, and the enemy is me." -- Sister Machine Gun URL: here. - If you have to ask, you'll never know. - From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 00:59:07 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 25 May 1995 23:12:30 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 25 May 1995 23:12:29 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.nyc.pipeline.com!uunet!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.065907.52210@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 06:59:07 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>, jmt7@Lehigh.EDU writes: > > Hello, > > We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything > works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our > users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > - or - > > "cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports" > > Please note... > > 1) the same script will work fine when run under DOS without these > messages. > > 2) we are running Kermit via the .PIF file provided with the software > (unmodified). > > 3) I cannot personally reproduce the above but several of our users > now have come to me with the same problem (so I can no longer dismiss > them as nuts!). -------------- The messages indicate that Kermit found the serial port to be slightly distasteful and it did not pass inspection. Windows is emulating the serial port hardware and thus there exist problems in the client's Windows configuration. That leaves a great many Windows items to explore, plus checking that the underlying hardware is really free of conflicts. I wish I had a short list of things to check, but it comes down to "Windows" items. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed May 24 13:24:36 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 02:43:07 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10975 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 02:43:06 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike From: Michael Bernardi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 / ODI / Token Ring Date: 24 May 1995 14:24:36 +0100 Organization: The Children's Society Lines: 13 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: <801317419snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Michael Bernardi Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 X-Posting-Host: childsoc.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has ANYONE in the world SUCESSFULLY managed to get MS-Kermit 3.14 to work using ODI drivers on a Token Ring Network. Using the SAME script files worked perfectly with version 3.13, and if I load the ODITRPKT shim then it works fine. I've email JRD and neither of us can see anything wrong with my NET.CFG but if anyone else has any idea or if you HAVE suceeded please let me know. I'd like to upgrade but since it won't work... Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Thu May 25 13:53:10 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23224 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 07:25:41 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06481 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 07:25:39 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hookup!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 May 95 19:53:10 MDT References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: > jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: > > : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything > : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our > : users will get a message similar to either of these below: > > : "unknown hardware for port, using..." > > When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the > second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have > used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your > mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS > and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to > branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. ------------ Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 10:49:02 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 17:01:12 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27769 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 17:01:11 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swrinde!emory!cssun.mathcs.emory.edu!hobbes.cc.uga.edu!UGA.CC.UGA.EDU From: "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Date: 26 MAY 95 15:49:02 EST Organization: The University of Georgia Lines: 8 Sender: usenet@music.cc.uga.edu Message-Id: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: uga.cc.uga.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. My local site at UGA only has the Beta version. I would greatly appreciate any help someone could give me in finding the final version. Thanks, Brian A. Clark From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 14:47:37 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 26 May 1995 21:05:50 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 26 May 1995 21:05:49 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!gatech!news.sprintlink.net!demon!roentgen.demon.co.uk!keith From: Dr Keith Howells Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit cron job Date: 26 May 1995 15:47:37 +0100 Organization: Wansbeck Radiology Department Lines: 36 Sender: news@newnews.demon.co.uk Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: dispatch.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 X-Posting-Host: roentgen.demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Any assistance with the following problem would be greatly appreciated. I have written a command file to automate connection to a remote computer for a specific period in order to allow collection of mail. The command file works fine if I run it thus: kermit kermit_command_file from the command line, hanging up at the end and exiting kermit, but will not run as cron job. The error: ------ Your "cron" job kermit blah > /home/me/junk produced the following output: sh: 25421 Memory fault - core dumped -------- is mailed to me. I have tried running the command from a shell script with all the environmental variables - still no luck. Redirecting the standard output as above does not help either. Is this because I am not invoking kermit with the correct flags in the cron job so that it does not have to be connected to a terminal? Is my command script lacking some essential set command that is required when not invoked from a terminal? Any help and suggestions would be gratefully received. I'm using C-Kermit 5A for SunOs 4.1. Regards Keith. -- Keith Howells email: keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Department of Diagnostic Radiology, Wansbeck General Hospital Ashington, Northumberland, UK From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 04:56:42 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 27 May 1995 16:50:00 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17501 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 27 May 1995 16:49:57 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!unixg.ubc.ca!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca!dddau From: dddau@acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca (Doug Dau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 26 May 1995 04:56:42 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3q3n2a$j7u@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acs3.acs.ucalgary.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: :>In article , helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) writes: :>> jmt7@Lehigh.EDU wrote: :>> :>> : We use Kermit 3.14 very heavily on our campus. From DOS everything :>> : works great. From MS-Windows, however, sometimes it works but often our :>> : users will get a message similar to either of these below: :>> :>> : "unknown hardware for port, using..." :>> :>> When I get this, I just repeat the "take mscustom.ini" command, and the :>> second time, it works. I don't know why. The error occurs after I have :>> used a Windows comm program, never when I start with Kermit. Your :>> mscustom.ini script can test \v(port) to see whether it is a COM or a BIOS :>> and stop in case of an error, but I haven't been able to find a point to :>> branch back to in order to fix the problem automatically. :>------------ :> Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because :>MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an :>artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a :>bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might :>help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. :> Joe D. I'm still using msk3.13 and first noticed this problem with the advent of 3.13. Assuming that this is a carryover from 3.13 to 3.14 there seems to be a pretty consistent behavior pattern on my PC that I hope might provide clues as to what is going on here. My configuration is a Gateway 2000 486/33C with and external USR Sportster 14.4 modem. What I see is that the port check never fails if 1. The modem is powered up BEFORE the system unit is booted 2. I don't power up the modem until AFTER I launch Kermit Conversely the port check fails more often than not if I power up the modem after I boot the system unit but before I launch Kermit. -- Doug Dau Internet: dddau@acs.ucalgary.ca University Computing Services Phone: 403-220-6217 University of Calgary Fax: 403-282-9199 From news@columbia.edu Sat May 27 19:04:12 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16914 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 02:39:09 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29587 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 02:39:08 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!csus.edu!netcom.com!helios From: helios@netcom.com (Thomas David Nichols) Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Message-Id: Organization: Heliotrope Quality Systems X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 19:04:12 GMT Lines: 41 Sender: helios@netcom7.netcom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Date: 25 May 1995 18:47:43 GMT >Windows and/or Windows communications programs tamper with the PC BIOS, >where Kermit goes to find out what ports are available and what their >addresses (and IRQs) are. The solution to this problem is to supply this >information to Kermit yourself. Here is how I test in MSCUSTOM.INI. The reset operation has never helped. The error occurs only after I use the CompuServe Information Manager for Windows, then run Kermit in a full-screen window. In the PIF, I set exclusive execution, lock application memory, retain video memory, video memory text, 512 kbytes requested. (I see I've overlooked emulate text.) This allows Kermit to run almost fast enough to keep up with a 14.4 kbps modem with compression. There's never a problem running Kermit outside of Windows. set modem intel14 ; Change this to your modem type, see MODEMS\READ.ME. ; set printer nul ; Uncomment this if you do NOT have a printer. set com4 \x2e8 3 set port 4 ; Change if desired. If COM3 or 4, read KERMIT.BWR. if equal \v(port) Bios4 - echo {Trying "set port 4" again}, - set com4 \x2e8 3, set port 4 if equal \v(port) Bios4 - fatal {Try repeating TAKE MSCUSTOM.INI} From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Date: 25 May 95 19:53:10 MDT > Thanks for the info guys. It's all rather puzzling actually because >MSK goes some lengths to "reset" the UART before starting tests. That's an >artifact of dealing with the new-breed of internal modems. Maybe it is a >bug in the Windows comm.drv emulator. If so trying the Delrina driver might >help: copy on netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, wfxcom.zip. I'm using wvxcomm.drv dated 4-1-93 12:14a. I could not reach netlab2 by anonymous ftp. -- David Nichols Heliotrope Quality Systems From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 20:03:14 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 07:06:51 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 07:06:50 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Date: 26 May 1995 20:03:14 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3q5c62$er5@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" writes: > I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu; look in kermit/a. From news@columbia.edu Fri May 26 11:53:33 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 28 May 1995 15:24:05 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 28 May 1995 15:24:02 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!nntp.et.byu.edu!news.provo.novell.com!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I get Kermit 3.14? Message-Id: <1995May26.175333.52475@cc.usu.edu> Date: 26 May 95 17:53:33 MDT References: <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <26MAY95.17082896.0041@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU>, "CLARK, BRIAN ALEXAND" writes: > Hello, > I am looking for a site from which I can get Kermit 3.14. My local > site at UGA only has the Beta version. I would greatly appreciate any > help someone could give me in finding the final version. > Thanks, > > Brian A. Clark ----------------- Quick start kit: binary file msvibm.zip in dir kermit/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. Please, tell your people NEVER POST BETAS! Please, Never. Not only are customers mislead and bothered, but the folks in the Kermit Project are left dealing with the aftermath, and we don't enjoy that. Have a nice long holidy weekend, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 17:25:01 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 02:14:23 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11534 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 02:14:21 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!msunews!news From: Yao-Chiang Kan Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Date: 28 May 1995 17:25:01 GMT Organization: Case Center, Engeering College Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: via-annex3-62.cl.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (Windows; I; 16bit) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, there: I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. Please help me if you know how to set it up. Thnak you very much. Kan kan@egr.msu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 18:35:15 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 04:14:52 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16254 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 04:14:51 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.bluesky.net!news.sprintlink.net!wizard.pn.com!Germany.EU.net!Dortmund.Germany.EU.net!not-for-mail From: jh@germany.eu.net (Joerg Heitkoetter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for remote software configuration? Date: 28 May 1995 20:35:15 +0200 Organization: EUnet Deutschland GmbH, Research & Development Lines: 68 Message-Id: <3qafp3$qi1@Germany.EU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jazz.germany.eu.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear folks, I would like to get in contact with people who have used Kermit for remote configuration purposes, more specifically, I want to have your opinion on the usefulness of Kermit for the following (special) purpose: I have a Kermit server (actually a whole bunch of servers behind a modem rack) for customers that have received an Internet access kit, and now want to register with us... So the story goes like this: after purchasing an IAK you unpack the software on your PC/Mac/Linux box/whatever and start a registration client; this client prompts you for some information, that begins with your name, and ends with your (hopefully valid) credit card information; then you press the "send" button, and a modem connection is established from the PC to an Internet provider's registration server; this server checks in the infos the client sends; (e.g., credit card validity); and from a set of generic configuration files, it creates a bunch of special purpose configuration files that are then copied onto your hard disk; you can now re-boot your machine (if it's a PC), and use the IAK to "surf" the Internet. C'est ca. * Now--What's the deal? Well--more and more Internet Access Kits (IAK) providers realize that an initial installation via a simple dial-in connection is the easiest way to pre-install their software with an Internet provider's (IP) set-up; e.g. the provider's DNS server address, POP server, local phone numbers for various POPs (points of presence/dial-in nodes), et cetera. (e.g. NetManges' Automatic Internet, that comes with their latest Chameleon IAK). * What's the problem? All of these IAK provider's systems use their own configuration protocol, hence they are incompatible. As an Internet provider, we would like to see a general purpose solution to this remote configuration problem. (Otherwise we would have to set up dozens of servers for various IAKs...) * What's Kermit gotta do with it? Personally, I would like to see such a solution being realized on "top" of the Kermit protocol being released either as a freeware or low-fee solution, for various reasons; I think the top two points are: (a) a relatively short developmental effort, since Kermit is more than well-tested; it would only need some macro programming on the client and server side. (b) Kermit runs on almost any OS, hence, remote configuration would be possible due to portability for all these OSs; not only for a single OS, like today's special purpose solutions. * Drawbacks? The only drawback I could think of would be (a) the legal problems that arise iff IAK providers would bundle Kermit versions wih their kits without prior checking with the Kermit Software, i.e. Columbia U; or (b) is the "Kermit community" at large (or FdC in particular) is uninterested in this idea. Thanx in advance for your comments! -- Have fun, -joke ====== ____ == Jvrg Heitkvtter ===== / / / __ __ _/_ === Research & Development ==== /---- / / / ) /___) / ==== EUnet Deutschland GmbH === /____ (___/ / / (___ ( ===== Emil-Figge-Str. 80, D-44227 Dortmund == ====== Tel/Fax +49-231-972 -00/-1111 "Failure is perhaps our most taboo subject." --John Gall, "Systemantics" From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 22:41:43 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11571 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:37:26 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 07:37:24 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!spool.mu.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mtholyoke.edu!news.umass.edu!news.amherst.edu!not-for-mail From: jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 28 May 1995 18:41:43 -0400 Organization: Amherst College, Amherst MA, USA Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: amhux3.amherst.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu What we have diagnosed in this "unable to find hardware, using BIOS" situation is that it's a timing related thing. If we try to access the port via a SET PORT command or a CONNECT right after Kermit starts up, it fails fairly reliably. But if we wait two or three seconds after Kermit starts, the connection works just fine. It looks for all the world as if Windows is just taking to long to "let go" of the serial port (or initialize its emulation). The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. So what we finally did, for those machines where this happens (and it happens by no means to all of them) is insert a "Press RETURN to continue" message at the beginning of the MSKERMIT.INI file, which seems to provide enough time for Windows to do whatever it needs to do for Kermit's SET PORT command to work. I thought about just writing a counting loop, but decided it wasn't worth the hassle since I would have to worry about the relative speed of the machine to make sure it didn't take too long on slow machines, but didn't complete too quickly (before SET PORT would work) for fast ones. - John W. Manly Amherst College From news@columbia.edu Sun May 28 06:38:13 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24961 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 13:50:21 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05723 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 13:50:19 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!newshost.marcam.com!zip.eecs.umich.edu!umn.edu!spool.mu.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!oracle.pnl.gov!mica.inel.gov!pmafire!mars.poci.amis.com!cwis.isu.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to setup a tn3270 connection by using kermit 3.13 Message-Id: <1995May28.123813.52580@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 May 95 12:38:13 MDT References: <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qabld$1c2c@msunews.cl.msu.edu>, Yao-Chiang Kan writes: > Hi, there: > I use the kermit 3.13 and packet driver to connect my office > pc to campus hosts. There is no problem to connect to a Sun > machine. However, I cannot connect to IBM mainframe. It might > because I don't use the correct 3270 mapping. > Please help me if you know how to set it up. ----------- 3270's are vastly different animals than VTxxx's. Don't even try it. See if your IBM mainframe has a VT100 class entry point and go from there. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 21:32:00 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06797 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:12:33 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02715 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 20:12:30 -0400 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.nic.surfnet.nl!sun4nl!news From: avdpeijl@inter.nl.net Subject: Kermit-32 (VAX) problems?? X-Nntp-Posting-Host: asp98-7.amsterdam.nl.net Message-Id: Sender: news@inter.nl.net (News at news) Reply-To: avdpeijl@inter.nl.net Organization: NLnet X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 v1.09 Date: Mon, 29 May 1995 21:32:00 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello everybody, I would like to upgrade Kermit on my VAX. At the moment I have a stone-aged version of Kermit-32 (1984 or something like that). With MS-Kermit 3.14 I tried to upload some programms to the VAX with settings like: - packetlength 94 - no linking shift (or something simular) - set block 1-bit (also tried 2-bit) - file type binary (of course) The uploads went fine. I reached a 23% troughput at a 9600 bps line (VT220), found no particular errors (only at the end Kermit-32 complained about bad packets). When I run the program, I get: "error activating image zip.exe" and "image header description length is invalid" (in this example I uploaded unzip.exe for VAX/VMS, 54k). Anybody any idea? Regards, Arthur van der Peijl From news@columbia.edu Mon May 29 15:21:51 1995 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09916 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 29 May 1995 21:59:19 -0400 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 29 May 1995 21:59:17 -0400 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newshost.marcam.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit under MS-Windows Date: 29 May 1995 11:21:51 -0400 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3qcoqf$4km@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> References: <3q04p0$1ldu@ns2-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU> <1995May25.195311.52307@cc.usu.edu> <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3qau77$d4g@amhux3.amherst.edu>, jwmanly@unix.amherst.edu (John W. Manly) writes: |> ... good explanation deleted ... |> |> The really frustrating thing is that you can't just put a PAUSE or WAIT |> command in the MSKERMIT.INI file to cause the necessary delay -- those |> commands don't work either -- Kermit just zips by them as if they weren't |> there during this period before the serial interface is enabled. |> |> ... more good stuff deleted ... John would the SLEEP command added in v3.14 work where PAUSE/WAIT do not? The kermit.upd file describes SLEEP, "like PAUSE, but does not sample the communications device." This sounds like it might be just the ticket. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024