From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 14:32:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08205 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:32:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 14:32:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> baciewj@albnyvms.bitnet writes: > I have two problems: > I have set parity,handshake,flow and duplex at both ends as follows: > parity space > duplex full > flow xon/xoff > handshake none > but I cannot upload! Downloads are great! but I get massive retries until > it dies. I have 0.991(190) on the mac and they are running 5A(188) on > the vax.Any thoughts? > It could be any number of things, most likely a flow control problem. We have discussed this numerous times. Make sure that the most effective means of flow control is enabled at every point along the communication path. Evidently you are using end-to-end Xon/Xoff (software) flow control, which is often the best you can do when VMS is on the other end. But if you are entering VMS through a terminal server, you might do better with hardware flow control (RTS/CTS) if your modem supports, and if the remote modem does too, and so does the terminal server, AND it is enabled in all those places and in Mac Kermit too. Read ckmker.bwr for instructions. Also, be sure to tell VMS to SET TERM /TTSYNC /HOSTSYNC. Also, have the VMS system manager read the CKVINS.DOC file, which includes instructions regarding VMS SYSGEN parameters, buffer allocation, privileges and quotas, etc. > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 16:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06644 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:55:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 31 Oct 1994 16:18:05 GMT Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > Also what doe one name the init file on the mac? Ckermit.ini? and does > > mackermit pick it up like mskermit does? > > > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law, Love under Will. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:14:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Distribution: world Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 17:01:10 GMT Message-Id: References: <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392u8h$hvr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Frank da Cruz writes: > In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: >> (...) would it be very hard to also implements the 'SCO console' emulation, >> a.k.a. SCO-ANSI? > I believe this is basically the current ANSI screen handling, but with the > keyboard handled differently -- instead of transmitting the characters > associated with the keys, the scan codes are transmitted. Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > To the best of my knowledge, this is used only for communicating with the > SCO console driver. True? SCO ansi can be used via the serial driver as well, by using the 'ansi' termcap/terminfo entries. Quite a few terminal-emulation packages have a sco-ansi option now (James River's Ice-ten, for example), which makes it the emulation of choice with these programs. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 22:20:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19844 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24226 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:42:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu!MSIMONDS From: MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu Subject: Windows version of Kermit?? Message-Id: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 22:20:01 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even exist? A nd if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 31 23:03:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16615 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 06:33:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sunic!ugle.unit.no!trane.uninett.no!eunet.no!nuug!gars!not-for-mail From: robert@gar.no (Robert Andersson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: 7-bit access to BBS'es. Was: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready Date: 1 Nov 1994 00:03:07 +0100 Organization: Gallagher & Robertson A/S Lines: 45 Message-Id: <393t3b$7aa@stratos.gar.no> References: <1994Oct30.222715.6932@ais.com> <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stratos.gar.no Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <392um9$ik7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >I am confident that BBSs are completely unconcerned with both 7-bit access >and with character sets. The entire premise of the BBS world is that you >have a totally transparent 8-bit communications link, and there is only >one character set in the world: code page 437. >Can anybody prove me wrong? Is there a BBS anywhere in the world that is >designed to allow 7-bit access, or that supports different character sets, >but still expects the "ANSI" terminal type? I would like to think so, but >I am not hopeful. You're being overly pessimistic. Below is a screen snapshot from the character set configuration in the BBS system we run here. This BBS is also programmed to support both 8bit-none and 7bit-even parity, with detection being done automatically at logon time. All while running in "ANSI" BBS emulation mode. The same BBS software runs at a few hundred sites around the world, with most installations in Norway and Finland. Which character set are you using (type ? for help): ? Character sets: look at these characters... 1:[ 2:] 3: 4:A 5:# 6:^ 7:{ 1) If 1 is a left square bracket then 1a) If 3 is a japanese Yen sign (capital Y) you have IBM 1b) If 3 is a norwegian OE then you are using IBN 1c) If 3 is a small u with an accent you are an Apple MAC 1d) If 4 is a capital A with an accent then you have ISO 1e) If 5 is a number sign (double cross) you have US7 1f) If 5 is a pounds sign then you are in UK7 2) If 1 is a capital A with two dots on it then 2a) If 2 is a U with two dots on it then you have GE7 2b) If 2 is a A with a ring over it then you are using SF7 3) If 1 is a capital AE sign then 3a) If 6 is a U with two dots on it then you are using DE7 3b) If 6 is a caret (hat, circumflex accent) then it's NO7 4) If 1 is a degree sign then 4a) If 7 is a small e with an accent then you have FR7 4b) If 7 is a small a with an accent then you have IT7 5) If 1 is an upside exclamation mark then you have SP7 Regards, Robert. -- Robert Andersson Voice +47 22418551 Gallagher & Robertson A/S robert@gar.no Fax +47 22428922 Kongensgt. 23, 0153 Oslo, Norway From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:56:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21754 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:56:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu writes: > I am looking for a windows versoin of Kermit. Does such a thing even > exist? And if it does, does anyone know where I can find it? > The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 13:59:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03669 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: ANSI (Was: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-9 Ready) Date: 1 Nov 1994 13:59:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395hk2$3ii@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) writes: > Scan codes are optional (settable with stty for scan-code terminals). In > Ascii-mode the function keys send escape sequences. F1 sends ESC[M, > shift-F1 sends ESC[Y etc. Screen handling is PC-Ansi/vt100-like, except for > scrolling, coloring, special things like 'send-screen-to-host'. > You can make MS-DOS Kermit send anything you want with SET KEY, so at least the keyboard part is user programmable. I don't know what you mean by scrolling and coloring -- Kermit already does those things. Send-screen-to- host is an unacceptable security risk. I don't think adding this kind of emulation would serve any particularly pressing need, since SCO has lots of termcaps -- just use a different one, like VT100, VT320, etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:05:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04073 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 1 Nov 1994 14:05:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > is there any way to have the terminal settings _and_ the initialization > commands load at the same time? it seems you can start up mackermit by > clicking on either the commands or settings files, but then have to load > the other from in the program itself. is there perhaps a command that can > be included in the init file that will automatically load the settings? > Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, are dim. Sorry, I wish I had better news. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 11:14:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01798 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 94 09:59:27 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the documentation. Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing ATDT to the modem. And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:30:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 36 Distribution: world Message-Id: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to > receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that > is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I > start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and > then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems > quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen > automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the > documentation. > Yes, there is a way. Please read about the APC command in the KERMIT.UPD file. > Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? > So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing > ATDT to the modem. > Use the DIAL macros and dialing directory that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Read about them in the same KERMIT.UPD file. The DIAL macro does not CONNECT automatically. This is so it can be imbedded in other macros. If you want to DIAL and CONNECT in a single operation, define a macro to do this: define online dial \%1, connect > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? > Somebody else please respond to this one. > > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu > -- > Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 14:09:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18320 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:58:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!gems.vcu.edu!agnew From: agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: More lines per page? Message-Id: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Date: 1 Nov 94 10:09:33 -0400 Organization: Medical College of Virginia Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Netbeings, I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can get on my Decterms in Motif. Jim /^^^\ \ / Jim Agnew | AGNEW@RUBY.VCU.EDU (Internet) / > || Neurosurgery, | AGNEW@VCUVAX (Bitnet) /\_/ ' \ / MCV-VCU | This disc will self destruct in /________________> Richmond, VA, USA | five seconds. Good luck, Jim..." From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:44:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07746 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:44:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 17:44:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <395uqb$m3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> agnew@gems.vcu.edu (Brainwave Surfer) writes: > Dear Netbeings, > I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, > the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such > that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. > Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can > get on my Decterms in Motif. > Just put the video adapter in the desired mode before starting Kermit. Kermit should automatically sense the number of screen lines -- not foolproof, but it usually works (video adapter details vary). This is usually done with a MODE command, like MODE CO80,55 or whatever. - Frank x x x From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:17:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25720 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:17:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Slide Shows Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:17:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3960ni$p3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Henrik Graversen wrote: > Is there a way to control the speed of the REPLAY command > in MS Kermit 3.12? Or maybe even a way to use pagedown, pageup, etc.? > > When I have logged a session to session.log and and want to take a look > at the log-file it is far from easy to read it as it scrolls by at 100 > mph. > There are some tricks. The best trick is to get a more up-to-date version of Kermit (3.13 or 3.14 Beta), which allows *huge* rollback buffers if you put them in Expanded Memory (EMS) via the new command SET TERMINAL EXPANDED-MEMORY ON. Then you can use SET TERM ROLLBACK to allocate as many as 8000 rollback screens. NOTE: This requires that you have a big physical memory (more than 2MB or more) and that you use an expanded memory manager to configure a lot of EMS. See the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with version 3.13 or 3.14. Then you can REPLAY the log file and it will fly past at 100 miles per hour. But after that you can use Home, PgUp, PgDn, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn, and End to view it at your leisure. (You can also use new keyboard verbs to scroll right and left, in case the virtual screen is wider than the physical screen). The second trick would be to transfer the log file to the host and then either run it through something like "more" (not great, since it interferes with the display), or write a little utility program that looks for special "signs" in the log (which you would insert with an editor), at which it should pause until you press a key. For MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 30 02:49:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12655 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28176 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!slip250.phx.primenet.com!mpomey From: mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on stratus vos Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:49:58 MST Organization: Primenet Lines: 7 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: slip250.phx.primenet.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. Can someone tell me where to find it if it exists? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:04:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:04:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on stratus vos Date: 1 Nov 1994 19:04:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 13 Message-Id: <3963gh$t1k@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article mpomey@primenet.com (Morris Pomey) writes: > I'm searching for Kermit on Stratus VOS. > I cannot find any mention of it at kermit.columbia.edu. > C-Kermit 5A(190) is a full-featured version of C-Kermit for Stratus VOS. The files are in the kermit/test/text and kermit/test/bin directories. The VOS-specific files have names that start with "ckl". This is a brand-new addition; prior to this, we did not have a Kermit program for Stratus VOS. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:43:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:43:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!pepmnt From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit-370 beta testing Date: 1 Nov 1994 21:43:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <396cp9$prr@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: jchbn@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit-370 version 4.3.1 is now in beta testing for all the major variants (CMS, TSO, MUSIC, and CICS). 4.3.1 supports the same new protocol features (RESEND and communication of TEXT/BIN types) being introduced with the test versions of MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, as well as some system- specific updates, such as using the transmitted time tag for files uploaded to CMS or CICS, and support for the new expanded file system in MUSIC. People who are interested in trying out the test version can find the updates in files ik*.nup in kermit/b. Please drop me a line if you plan to do some testing, so that I'll know who's doing what. Thanks. John Chandler From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 19:00:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:07:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uknet!comlab.ox.ac.uk!oxuniv!long From: long@vax.ox.ac.uk (NEIL J LONG) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: ACCURA14.4 + Beta10 + rts/cts Message-Id: <1994Nov1.190034.27100@oxvaxd> Date: 1 Nov 94 19:00:34 GMT Organization: Oxford University VAX 6620 Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just been playing with a Hayes ACCURA 14.4 and Ms-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14Beta-10. Could someone explain how to get the best out of it. I have been able to connect with speeds set to 14400 to a v32bis dial in service. Why does ver 3.14 get in to the situation where it sends AT commands at the rate of 1 per 8 seconds for each A...........T......... if I send them with RTS/CTS set but not if flow is none or XON/XOFF. I tried the ultra144 script and that a) took forever and b) gave me a bizarre screen. Most of the codes seemed reasonable. 3.13 doesn't behave this way (not using the scripts and rts/cts doesn't have this effect). Could someone email me a suitable mod to any of the scripts which they know will work with it - I can fool around forever at this rate as the scripts all tend to set rts/cts before sending the codes. I am assuming that the hardware is fine since it works for 3.13 and the 'bundled' smartcom LE for Windows (euggh). Hate Windows. Thanks Neil From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 21:10:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28111 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:01:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: More lines per page? Date: 1 Nov 1994 16:10:18 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 46 Message-Id: <396arq$fqc@chopin.udel.edu> References: <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov1.100933.2067@gems.vcu.edu>, Brainwave Surfer wrote: :Dear Netbeings, : I have a wonderful relationship with MS-dos kermit. apart from dos, :the package is fine. I'd like to figure out how to set the video such :that I can use one of the other modes, like 50 lines per screen, etc. :Everything else is ok, but i'm lusting for more of the page like I can :get on my Decterms in Motif. : :Jim [sig deleted] Okay, here's what you need to do on both ends of the connection. PC--make sure you've got either an EGA card (for 43 line mode) or a VGA card (for 50 line mode). Some cards support some funky things like 60 lines under some Super-VGA setting or another. make sure you load an ANSI driver like ansi.sys or nnansi.sys issue the following mode command `mode con: lines=50'. start kermit. UNIX-connect to host. issue an eval `tset -sQI ` command to set the TERM and TERMCAP environment variables. For example eval `tset -sQI vt220` evaluates and sets the variables for vt220 term. Make sure that you put in the ``I'' argument. If you don't, then you'll see your screen cut in half and only the first 25 lines being drawn on. If this happens, then you'll have to go to the kermit command line and do a `ru mode con: lines=50' command to reset your local terminal. Issue the `stty rows 49' command to set the number of rows (or `stty rows 50' if you don't use the status line at the bottom of the screen), followed by a `reset' command. That should do it. I don't know how to do this if you're connecting to other types of host. I think that for IBM's it doesn't make a difference if they're in fullscreen mode, then they'll use all of the available lines. As for other types of hosts, your mileage may vary. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:39:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!ruuinf!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov1.175821.29608@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <395qf8$ft4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:58:21 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : > And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is : > the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? : > : Somebody else please respond to this one. ;-) My humble opinion is that the book is great and that the online documentation (the files KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.UPD and KERMIT.BWR) are very usefull and better than the 'online documentation' found with some other 'free/share/other-ware' programs. The mentioned files have kept me from sending in many questions and bug-reports to the kermit people because the answer to my questions were there. So even without the book the documentation is there and answers most questions you might have. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:03:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:49:19 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!emory!metro.atlanta.com!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" References: Organization: Mordor International BBS - Jersey City, NJ Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: >I'd like to know if there's any way that I can get (MS-)Kermit to >receive a file "automatically" when the remote end runs a Kermit that >is attempting to send a file. As far as I can tell, right now once I >start the remote Kermit sending, I have to get out of CONNECT, and >then manually issue a RECEIVE command, then reconnect. This seems >quite pointless, so probably there is a way to make it all happen >automatically. But I haven't been able to find it in the >documentation. What version of Kermit are you running? Latest beta test is 3.14, revision 10, available at kermit.columbia.edu under the directory: /kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip To automatically send/receive files via Kermit, please check out the KERMIT.UPD file that comes with the beta. It explains how to engage autoupload/download with Kermit. NOTE: MS-Kermit must be version 3.14, and C-Kermit (assuming that is what is on the host side) must be version 190. >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. To dial, type "dial xxx-xxxx" or edit the DIALUPS.TXT file and add the phone number you wish to dial in the format specified in that file. If I'm not mistaken, if you use the "dial" macro, it will connect you. Otherwise, if you are a purist and want to do ATDT before the phone numbers, then put a CONNECT at the bottom of your MSCUSTOM.INI. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Indeed, you can learn almost everything there is to know about MS-Kermit, programming scripts, macros, etc. (which aren't really all that hard!) simply by using the information provided with the Kermit distribution. >Or is the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? Indeed - it is a rumour. Is it true? No. Ken kudut@ritz.mordor.com LISTOWNER of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.STJOHNS.EDU - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 18:56:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:02:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@microsys3.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 01 Nov 1994 18:56:06 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 23 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: microsys3.engr.utk.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. Thanks for any suggestions, Barry tolnas@utk.edu -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 00:56:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12826 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:56:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 00:56:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Message-Id: <396o3a$cg6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: > >In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set >an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done >automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my >modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. >The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem >and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. > The best way to handle this is to use the built in dial commands: you can either use "set dial init \13ATS28=255\13" or "set dial dial-command \13ATS28=255DT%s\13" move info about the dial commands in "Using C-Kermit" Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 23:04:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20588 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20366 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:32:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Barry Tolnas wrote: : :In order to make my modem connect properly to one site, I have to set :an internal register in my modem. I would like this to be done :automatically in my .kermrc. Is there a way to send commands to my :modem? I didn't see a command listed in the docs which would do this. :The way I do it now is to manually type `c' to connect to the modem :and then type "ATS28=255" which sets the necessary register. : :Thanks for any suggestions, : :Barry :tolnas@utk.edu [.sig deleted] Yeah, just put the line `output ats28=255' in your .mykermit file. This is documented in the book and and you can see examples of it in any of the dialing scripts... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 02:43:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23335 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23502 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:17:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!malgudi.oar.net!news.ysu.edu!yfn.ysu.edu!am856 From: am856@YFN.YSU.EDU (Michael DeCosta III) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Beta MSKERMIT Z100? Date: 2 Nov 1994 02:43:29 GMT Organization: St. Elizabeth Hospital, Youngstown, OH Lines: 8 Message-Id: <396uch$h9r@news.ysu.edu> Reply-To: am856@yfn.ysu.edu (Michael DeCosta III) Nntp-Posting-Host: yfn2.ysu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This is not a prod. I am just curious on how to keep up on the latest Beta releases for MSKERMIT 3.14 for non-PC clones? Basically I stumbled across the one for the Z100 by posting here and getting responses that told me one was available. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:59:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24057 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:30:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cmcl2!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!thecourier.cims.nyu.edu!nobody From: vb1890@cs.nyu.edu (Victor Boyko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Cyrillic in beta 7 Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:59:06 -0500 Organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences Lines: 10 Message-Id: <395s4q$kla@doc.cs.nyu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: doc.cs.nyu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello! There seems to be a problem with cyrillic in Kermit (invoked by command cyrillic). The Russian letters for 's' and 'e' produce the same character 'c'. This is quite inconvenient. Also, if I use both emacsker.scr and koi8.ini it complains that there is not enough memory for key definitions and discards my emacs key bindings. Victor From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 10:12:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Zmodem on kermit Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:12:07 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 11 Message-Id: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities while working in kermit. Examples will be appreciates. Thanks in advance, Itamar From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 07:01:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29507 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:12:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 11 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: marinara.mit.edu In-Reply-To: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu's message of 1 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" you are using upon startup? Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11853 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:48:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: vax/mac Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:38:30 GMT Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398896$u56@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> References: <391b4j$o3h@rebecca.albany.edu> <392v5r$jb4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > You should be able to Open the initialization file from Kermit and then > Save it, which will make it into a Kermit document. After that, clicking > on it should start Kermit and have it execute the commands. hmm.... i have another question. i tried this myself and everything seemed to work ok until i opened up mackermit by clicking on the kermit document (which didn't have an icon...). i got a warning saying that this document had _not_ been created by mackermit (it had! it said KR09 in the Get Info window...) and i had to choose to open it with mackermit manually. then, as soon as it had opened i got an error message - something to the effect of "application 'mackermit' has unexpectedly quit due to unknown error number 28". what am i doing wrong? -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu On the day the wall came down The Ship of Fools had finally run aground Promises lit up the night like paper doves in flight - "A Great Day for Freedom", Pink Floyd. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12290 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:54:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!cs.utk.edu!martha.utk.edu!martha.utcc.utk.edu!tolnas From: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sun1.engr.utk.edu In-Reply-To: fastcart@MIT.EDU's message of 2 Nov 1994 07:01:46 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > you are using upon startup? > > Fast Cart set line /dev/whatever Barry -- _____ ____ ____ /\ _ `. ' __,\ ',__.` \ \ \_\ \ __ _ __ _ __ __ __ | \ \ _ < /'__`\ /\`'__\/\`'__\/\ \/\ \ / \ \ \_\ \/\ \_\.\_\ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \ \_\ \ L_, \ \____/\ \__/.\_\\ \_\ \ \_\ \/`____ \ ._______/ \/___/ \/__/\/_/ \/_/ \/_/ `/___/> \ --- /\___/ \/__/ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:20:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13396 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:09:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 14:20:19 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 18 Message-Id: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to run on startup. Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about it. Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may respond ATZ From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 14:57:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14181 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05405 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:21:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:57:12 GMT Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:32:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15204 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06227 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:32:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:32:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) writes: > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? > Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: SET TAKE ECHO ON SET TAKE-ECHO ON etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: SET DIAL DISPLAY ON MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with the modem. Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using C-Kermit" for complete details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 16:35:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:36:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Manuals and speed Date: 2 Nov 1994 16:35:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 173 Message-Id: <398f5a$6ee@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <398773$5am@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Can anyone tell me the source of information on writing scripts for > kermit. I would like to automaticly upload and download Mail from my > pc to my Unix server. It would be nice if the script could be set to > run on startup. > Kermit is the only modem transfer program and protical on my > university server. It is not the program I normaly use, but appears > to havefeatures that others do not. I would like to learn more about > it. > Information on manuals enclosed below. > Is it possible to make the kermit transfer rate faster. I have a > 14.4 modem. My university runs a 9600 line. My other software will > transfer around 1500 using zmodem. If I get Kermit to run at 260, I > am lucky. What can I do to make my faster. Thank you to all who may > respond > Yes, Kermit will do 1500, 1600 or higher if you use long packets, sliding windows, and control-character unprefixing. Also enable compression and error correction in the modem, and use hardware flow control (our dialing scripts do this for you automatically). For details about long packets and sliding windows, read the manual(s). Control-character unprefixing is a relatively recent addition, documented in the appropriate "update" file, KERMIT.UPD (MS-DOS Kermit) or ckcker.upd (C-Kermit). KERMIT BOOK LIST ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MS-DOS Kermit, full-featured communications software for IBM and compatible PCs with DOS or Windows, is documented in: Christine M. Gianone, Using MS-DOS Kermit, Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Christine M. Gianone, MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1991), 414 pages. Packaged with version 3.12 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette, including German- language help files. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ISBN 3-88229-006-4. And a French-language edition: Christine M. Gianone, Kermit MS-DOS mode d'emploi, Deuxieme edition, Heinz Schiefer & Cie., Versailles (1993), 406 pages. Packaged with version 3.11 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 5.25-inch diskette. Adaption francaise: Jean Dutertre. ISBN 2-901143-20-2. There is also a Japanese book about MS-DOS Kermit, concentrating on the NEC PC9801: Hirofumi Fujii and Fukuko Yuasa, MS-Kermit Nyumon, Computer Today Library 6, Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd., publishers (1993), 160 pages. ISBN 4-7819-0669-9 C3355 P1854E. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- C-Kermit 5A, full-function communication software for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, OS-9, Apollo Aegis, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST is documented in: Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "Using C-Kermit", Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1993, 514 pages, ISBN 1-55558-108-0. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. A German-language edition is also available: Frank da Cruz und Christine M. Gianone, C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz, Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994). ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The Kermit File transfer protocol is specified in the following book, which also includes tutorials on computers, file systems, data communications, and using Kermit: Frank da Cruz, Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Worburn, MA, 1987, 379 pages, ISBN 0-932376-88-6. In computer and book stores, or order direct from Columbia University or from Digital Press. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kermit software for more than 400 different computers and operating systems is available from Columbia University. Contact Columbia for a free Kermit software catalog. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- HOW TO ORDER ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ENGLISH-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: 1. In computer and book stores, or order direct from the publisher, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann with MasterCard, Visa, or American Express: +1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, MA office for USA & Canada) +44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe) +61 2 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & NZ) +65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia) 2. From Columbia University: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Fax. +1 212 663-8202 E-Mail: kermit@columbia.edu Domestic and overseas orders accepted. Add $5 US for shipping outside of North America. Orders may be paid by MasterCard or Visa, or prepaid by check in US dollars. Add $35 bank fee for checks not drawn on a US bank. Price includes shipping. Do not include sales tax. Quantity discounts are available. Single-copy US prices (in US dollars): Using MS-DOS Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Using C-Kermit . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 34.95 Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol . . . . . . . . . . .$ 29.95 All three . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .$ 79.95 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GERMAN-LANGUAGE KERMIT BOOKS: MS-DOS Kermit, das universelle Kommunikationsprogramm: DM 69,00 C-Kermit--Einfuhrung und Referenz: . . . . . . . . . . DM 90,00 Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG Helstorfer Strasse 7 D-30625 Hannover, GERMANY Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0 Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FRENCH: Kermit MS-DOS Mode d'Emploi: . . . . . . . . . . . FF 495,00 Heinz Schiefer & Cie. 45 rue Henri de Regnier F-78000 Versailles, FRANCE Tel. +33 39 53 95 26 Fax. +33 39 02 39 71 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- JAPANESE: MS-Kermit Nyumon: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,800 Y Saiensu-Sha Co., Ltd. Abe-toku Building 2-4 Kanda-suda cho, Chiyoda-ku Tokyo 101, JAPAN Tel. +81-3-3256-1091 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 08:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:10:03 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!rlmix1.rulimburg.nl!ICA.rulimburg.nl!Hans.Verhoeven From: Hans.Verhoeven@ica.rulimburg.nl (H. Verhoeven ) Subject: printing 132 columns Message-Id: Summary: kermit & print controller Sender: news@rlmix1.rulimburg.nl (USENET News System) Organization: University of Limburg, Maastricht, Holland Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 08:00:45 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We use Kermit 3.13 with a VAX-ALPHA HOST application on a Banyan Network (TCP/IP protocol). The application can control the network printer by means of the 'printer controller' sequences (CSI 5 i to turn the hardcopy printer on and CSI 4 i to turn it off again). Of course Kermit will do the trick, however we would like to have the ability of printing in compressed mode (or better: to select a printer driver like HP, IBM etc) because most of the files we print are 132 columns width and we like to print it on a network printer. By the way it is of course not possible to change the printer setting by the well-known printer switchboard. Can anybody give me a suggestion on how to tackle this problem? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:22:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27391 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:22:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 and ISDN Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:22:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <398sed$qnp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have added the following words to the KERMIT.UPD file, but we do not have any verification that these items actually work with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Could somebody -- most likely in Germany or Austria -- with an ISDN interface and a CAPI driver and an ISDN phone please check and report and/or clarify? Thanks! Integrated Services Digital Network (ISDN) boards serve ISDN digital telephones, which provide (among other things) 64Kbps data transmission. ISDN boards are not serial boards, and therefore require special drivers. There is a Common Application Programming Interface (CAPI) for ISDN boards, defined by German Telecom and German ISDN manufacturers. CAPI drivers are supplied by ISDN board manufacturers. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 does not support CAPI directly, but shims exist that allow Kermit to be used with ISDN anyway, by disguising CAPI as the Fossil, Int 14, or Packet Driver interface, all of which are supported by Kermit. Examples: . cFos is a shareware fossil driver for CAPI, written by Martin Winkler & Christoph Lueders of Bonn, Germany. It is available via anonymous ftp from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de:/pub/network/isdn/cfos, or by dialup to the Zaphods BBS in Bonn: +49 228 9111041. It supports both the Fossil and Int 14 interfaces, and presents ISDN controls in the form of Hayes-like AT commands. . PAPI is free software, GNU Public License, providing a SLIP-class packet driver interface to a CAPI driver, written by Dietmar Friede, Friede Consulting, Munich (Muenchen), German . Available via ftpmail to ftp.germany.eu.net (send email to archive-server@germany.eu.net containing the word "help"), or by ftp directly from ftp.dfv.rwth-aachen.de. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:06:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19122 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:08:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 8 Message-Id: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Arcell B. Frazier wrote: >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" >you are using upon startup? I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 20:28:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27472 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:29:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!news.duke.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:28:01 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Note the \v(ttyfd) variable. Is that what you are talking about? Or are you just talking about "set line /dev/ttyp01" type commands? If so, just dump it into your .kermrc --------------------------- my .kermrc -------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx -e \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 23:12:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!psuvax1!news.cc.swarthmore.edu!netnews.upenn.edu!news.drexel.edu!news.ge.com!knight.vf.ge.com!not-for-mail From: tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) Subject: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Message-Id: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Lines: 16 Sender: news@knight.vf.ge.com Nntp-Posting-Host: eng106.psf.ge.com Organization: Martin Marietta Defense Systems Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:12:50 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when running a script with TAKE? I would like to use a script to connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). I would appreciate help with this. Thanks. -Tom From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 00:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Emulation Turned Off In Scripts? Date: 3 Nov 1994 00:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <399b71$33l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3996di$4je@eng106.PSF.GE.COM> tcmayo@eng106.PSF.GE.COM (Tom Mayo) writes: > With Kermit 3.14 does terminal emulation get turned off when > running a script with TAKE? > As the lawyers say, "asked and answered". About once per day on this newsgroup. Again: If the terminal emulator is active, the command parser is not active. If the command parser is active, the terminal emulator is not active. You would not want it any other way, at least not if you cared about speed in the terminal emulator. > I would like to use a script to > connect me to a VAX server that handles TCP/IP connections, > but I can't find a way to have Kermit respond back with the > proper primary DA response. It just hangs with a "c" on the > screen. (Primary DA request is CSI [ c). > Just read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, section 18, Script Programming. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 08:11:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03930 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:28:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!news.datasrv.co.il!zeus.datasrv.co.il!4dsoft From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Date: 3 Nov 1994 08:11:53 GMT Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Nntp-Posting-Host: zeus.datasrv.co.il X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4th Dimension (4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il) wrote: : Hi, : Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities : while working in kermit. : Examples For UNIX platforms will be appreciates. : Thanks in advance, : Itamar From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 05:24:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 06:11:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!wupost!simtel.coast.net!w8sdz From: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET (Keith Petersen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Zmodem on kermit Message-Id: <9411030524.AA13559@SimTel.Coast.NET> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 05:24:58 GMT Organization: SimTel, the Coast to Coast Software Repository (tm) References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) writes: >Im looking for a way to perform file transfer via the Zmodem utilities >while working in kermit. > >Examples will be appreciates. ; ;Thanks to Jason Merrill for this ;define to add zmodem protocol transfers. Add it to your mskermit.ini. define rz run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 rz \%1 \%2, define sz run dsz F ha both est 0 14400 pB4096 sz \%1 \%2, define t run dsz F ha cts est 0 14400 t \%1 \%2, Keith -- Keith Petersen Moderator of comp.archives.msdos.announce and the MSDOS-Ann mailing list Internet: w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET or w8sdz@Vela.ACS.Oakland.Edu Uucp: uunet!umich!vela!w8sdz BITNET: w8sdz@OAKLAND From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 13:44:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17998 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:14:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!cyberspam!not-for-mail From: cisitm@albert.cad.cea.fr Newsgroups: alt.spam,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Control: cancel <39b3jl$b3m@anemone.saclay.cea.fr> Date: 03 Nov 1994 17:44:56 EDT Organization: Just say no to Spam. Lines: 3 Sender: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu. Approved: nospam@nowhere.nohow.edu Message-Id: Reply-To: na48985@anon.penet.fi Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This spam has been cancelled. Comments to: na48985@anon.penet.fi. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 20:31:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08461 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26814 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:08:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!news.physics.purdue.edu!london.physics.purdue.edu!korty From: korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) Subject: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: Sender: usenet@physics.purdue.edu (News Administration) Organization: Purdue University Department of Physics Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:31:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous wonders. 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and execute a Kermit command (of any kind). 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen saver or something to refresh the screen. 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Thanks, Andy From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 16:33:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:30:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Message-Id: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Date: 3 Nov 94 22:33:04 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 42 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: > My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we > have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous > wonders. > > 1. My friend wants to define a key to switch between the modes while > in terminal emulation mode, but we couldn't find a verb that does > this. Is using verbs the only way? Also, we'd like to know if > there's a way to define a key to escape back to command mode and > execute a Kermit command (of any kind). Check the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit" whose details are given on the Kermit HELP screen and the *.UPD files issued since then. You can assign a Kermit macro as the definition of a key. The macro can do anything you could say at the Kermit prompt, including issue SET TERM commands. Syntax is SET KEY keycode {\Kmacroname} and the \K must be inside the curly braces. > 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. > When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back > to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely > screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and > do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go > back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen > saver or something to refresh the screen. It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, however. > 3. Also, Kermit's documentation claims that it can auto-detect the > screen width requested by the host, but doesn't seem to. Maybe you mean the opposite here. Hosts can request 80 or 132 columns from VTxxx terminals, nothing more. Kermit obeys those requests. Perhaps you mean that Kermit can tell the host its current screen size upon request, which is true. There is no "auto-detect" in this arrangement, by either host or terminal emulator. Kermit can also report screen size in Telnet Options packets, if the host agrees to do so. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 00:48:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09022 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06403 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:15:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Date: 4 Nov 1994 00:48:00 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 13:32:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10163 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:31:57 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uknet!bcc.ac.uk!link-1.ts.bcc.ac.uk!uclyjjd From: uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) Subject: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:32:59 GMT Organization: University College London Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9223 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:991 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if off-line and the connection time when on-line. Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be pathched to reset the timer. This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our 'phone bills ! Julian. -- _____________________________________________________ | Julian Daley, j.daley@ucl.ac.uk | | Department Clinical Physics, Guys Hospital, London. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 17:33:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00625 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:43:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!israel-info.datasrv.co.il!not-for-mail From: 4dsoft@zeus.datasrv.co.il (4th Dimension) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: DataServe LTD. (An Internet Access Provider), Israel. Message-Id: <-39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Control: cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> References: <397oln$cp3@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:33:06 GMT Approved: news@israel-info.datasrv.co.il Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <39a609$a11@israel-info.datasrv.co.il> From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 3 21:45:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:42:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 8 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through to the remote side? Thanks -- Jason From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 22:31:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08084 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:56:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!chinook!ken From: ken@chinook.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 4 Nov 1994 22:31:29 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 11 Message-Id: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: chinook.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jason Venner wrote: >I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > >Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >to the remote side? set term byte 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:25:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28413 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13409 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit and PCMCIA Cards Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172545.32061@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:25:45 MDT References: <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39c0c0$g3a@knot.queensu.ca>, mike@ccs.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) writes: > Can anyone offer any general advice on getting Kermit to work with > PCMCIA cards? They are not explicitly mentioned in the beware file > but they seem to be trouble. Is it just that the people I've met > don't have their card installed properly? Is there something about > these beasts that make them nastier to support than an internal modem? ---------- No, those little guys aren't specifically mentioned because we lack any useful information to offer (translation: I have no laptop. $$$) Folks will have to struggle to load the proper mysterious drivers to handle the plug-in card and hope for the best. I can imagine anything requiring user intervention will cause difficulties to tech support persons, but the proper channel for help with such cards is probably the card mfr or the laptop maker. The task is to make the card look like a proper serial port (or Ethernet adapter, etc) and that's the purpose of those drivers. Only afterward does Kermit come into the picture. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 11:28:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13415 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:30:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Message-Id: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: > > I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. > > Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. > Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through > to the remote side? > > Thanks -- Jason --------- There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is wierd this way. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 04:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04843 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 05:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.archives.msdos.d,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Connection timer is MS-Kermit ? Message-Id: <1994Nov4.100241.32014@cc.usu.edu> Date: 4 Nov 94 10:02:41 MDT References: <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.archives.msdos.d:9232 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:996 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov4.133259.43506@ucl.ac.uk>, uclyjjd@ucl.ac.uk (Julian Daley) writes: > Qmodem has a clock on the status line which shows time of day if > off-line and the connection time when on-line. > > Is there any way to get a similar feature with MS-Kermit 3.13 ? Any > sort of timer would do, for instance the 'dial' command could be > pathched to reset the timer. > > This feature is very useful for those of us who have to pay our > 'phone bills ! ------- No timer, thanks. Suggest you use the portable, low maintainence, compact, arm mounted (or even the table top model) time mechanism. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 4 18:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 08:01:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!cs.uoregon.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!dwg5400 From: dwg5400@u.washington.edu (Dale Gombert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: PRIME, Kermit, PCs, & 7-bit: help? Date: 4 Nov 1994 18:54:25 GMT Organization: University of Washington, Seattle Lines: 7 Sender: dwg5400@u.washington.edu Distribution: us Message-Id: <39e011$ej5@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hardy.u.washington.edu Summary: We need help with this combination Keywords: PRIME, kermit, PC, 7-bit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help! We have several dozen users now familiar with ProComm Plus on PCs, and they routinely transfer ASCII and binary files with a PRIME computer. Our TMS-3 Renex communication controller will only recognize M71, but our internal kermit protocol only works with N81. We would like to be able to set our ProComm Pluses to enable this transfer. Email responses would be perfectly welcome, in preference to Usenet. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 5 13:32:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23618 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 09:00:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jzero From: jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) Subject: Re: Echoing modem responses Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) References: <398eue$628@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:32:49 GMT Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: | In article jzero@netcom.com (Jim Nakamura) | writes: | > How does one echo modem responses from a kermit script? | > | Depending on which Kermit version you have, the command is: | SET TAKE ECHO ON | SET TAKE-ECHO ON | etc. If you are using C-Kermit 5A, the command you really want is: | SET DIAL DISPLAY ON | MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts already display all the interactions with | the modem. | Please read the appropriate manuals, "Using MS-DOS Kermit" or "Using | C-Kermit" for complete details. | - Frank Thanks. I have C-Kermit 5A. I also have your book "Using C-Kermit". (Very good book.) Jim. -- jzero@netcom.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13683 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:26:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!tequesta.gate.net!not-for-mail From: stickler@tequesta.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 1 Nov 1994 11:35:50 -0500 Organization: CyberGate, Inc. Florida Lines: 20 Message-Id: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: inca.gate.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis throughput. Could someone suggest a possible solution, or perhaps some other UNIX terminal emulator that supports kermit at fast speeds? Any help will be greately appreciated. Thanks, =============================================================================== Patrick Stickler Information Group Senior Computer Systems Engineer Martin Marietta Corporation stickler@.gate.net Orlando, Florida 32825 U.S.A. =============================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 16:58:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14283 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:47:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!natinst.com!xenon.brooks.af.mil!floyd.brooks.af.mil!smd From: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil (Sten Drescher) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-KERMIT (VT320) termcap entry for unix -- what is it? Date: 01 Nov 1994 16:58:08 GMT Organization: Armstrong Laboratory Intelligent Training Branch Lines: 27 Distribution: comp Message-Id: References: <1994Oct15.143200.6064@imada.ou.dk> Reply-To: smd@floyd.brooks.af.mil Nntp-Posting-Host: floyd.brooks.af.mil To: ravn@imada.ou.dk (Thorbjoern Ravn Andersen) In-Reply-To: ravn@imada.ou.dk's message of 15 Oct 1994 09:32:00 -0500 I've cobbled together a termcap entry for mskermit 3.13. I'd welcome any improvements to it. --- cut here --- K7|mskermit313|vt300|vt320|Kermit 3.13 emulation of vt320:\ :am:da:db:es:hs:mi:ms:xn:xo:bs:pt:\ :co#80:li#24:kn#3:\ :AL=\E[%dL:DC=\E[%dP:DL=\E[%dM:DO=\E[%dB:IC=\E[%d@:\ :LE=\E[%dD:RI=\E[%dC:UP=\E[%dA:ae=^O:al=\E[L:as=^N:\ :cd=\E[J:ce=\E[K:cl=\E[;H\E[2J:cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:ct=\E[3g:dc=\E[P:dl=\E[M:\ :ds=\E[2$~\r\E[1$}\E[K\E[0$}\E[1$~:ei=\E[4l:fs=\E[0$}:\ :ho=\E[H:im=\E[4h:\ :is=\E[?1;3;5l\E[20l\E[?7h\E[12h\E[r\E[24;1H:k1=\EOP:\ :k2=\EOQ:k3=\EOR:k4=\EOS:k6=\E[17~:k7=\E[18~:\ :k8=\E[19~:k9=\E[20~:kb=\b:kd=\EOB:ke=\E[?1l\E>:\ :kh=\E[H:kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:ks=\E[?1h\E=:ku=\EOA:l1=pf1:\ :l2=pf2:l3=pf3:l4=pf4:nd=\E[C:r1=\E[?3l:\ :r2=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:rc=\E8:\ :rf=/usr/lib/tabset/vt100:sc=\E7:se=\E[27m:so=\E[7m:\ :sr=\EM:st=\EH:ts=\E[2$~\E[1$}\E[1;%dH:ue=\E[24m:\ :up=\E[A:us=\E[4m:vb=\E[?5h\E[?5l:ve=\E[?25h:\ :vi=\E[?25l:vs=\E[?25h:ko=dl,ho,al: --- cut here --- I hope this helps. -- From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 1 17:12:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14565 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:59:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!not-for-mail From: mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Organization: Currently, _extremely_ disorganized Lines: 27 Message-Id: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >Also, is there a "dial this number and connect me to it" command? >So far, I have been stuck doing a CONNECT and then manually issuing >ATDT to the modem. Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? Or is >the rumor that Kermit is "free" just a front for selling books? They quite freely admit that the books help finance the KERMIT project. And there's nothing wrong with that -- it's a wonderful free program, which you can learn more about (and help support) by buying their books. marshall >Dale > >Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu >-- >Does the name "Pavlov" ring a bell? -- [Marshall G. Flax -- 718-256-3482 -- 8776 16th Ave #2, Brooklyn, NY 11214-5802] From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:00:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15695 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:34:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!das-news2.harvard.edu!fas-news.harvard.edu!husc.harvard.edu!scws4.harvard.edu!mlevin From: mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 6 Nov 1994 15:00:55 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, MA Lines: 11 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: scws4.harvard.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1002 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6156 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. Mike Levin From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 15:52:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:55:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08336 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 10:54:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.csuohio.edu!sledge!cowboy From: cowboy@trans.csuohio.edu (Joe Rosenfeld) Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Message-Id: <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Sender: news@news.csuohio.edu (USENET News System) Organization: Cleveland State University X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> Distribution: usa Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 15:52:42 GMT Lines: 16 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1003 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6157 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Michael Levin (mlevin@scws4.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to get kermit running on a DEC Alpha/OSF-1. I got a : kermit distribution from cc.watsun.columbia.edu, but it seems : like an old one, since the makefile doesn't mention Alphas anywhere, : and when I put it together by hand it doesn't seem to be able to connect : to my workstation's kermit (Ultrix on a Decstation). Does anyone have : kermit running on a DEC alpha, and if so, can you either email me a : compressed, uuencoded executable, or tell me where you got the source : distribution? Please email me at mlevin@husc7.harvard.edu. Thanks. You can get the latest (still test) version of kermit from the following URL: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.gz ftp://kermit.columbia/edu:/kermit/test/cku190.tar.Z From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 17:10:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12115 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:10:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 132-column Mode and MS-Kermit Verbs Date: 6 Nov 1994 17:10:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 50 Message-Id: <39j2lj$bqh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , korty@london.physics.purdue.edu (Andrew J. Korty) writes: >> My friend and I just discovered the world of 132-column mode, and we >> have a few questions for all who are familiar with its numerous >> wonders. >> >> 2. I'm running DOS Kermit under OS/2 in a full-screen DOS session. >> When I use 132-column mode, everything works fine until I switch back >> to the desktop, at which time the video proceeds to get completely >> screwed up. The only way to save things is to go back to Kermit and >> do an Alt-X (which puts the screen back in 80 column-mode) and then go >> back to the desktop (which is still screwed up) and activate a screen >> saver or something to refresh the screen. > > It's between OS/2 and your video driver and your monitor. >Please remember that there is no standard on 132 column video modes so >that OS/2 has no idea of what state the display is in and hence little >idea of what to do about it. Better video drivers could help more, >however. The problem is that by using 132 column mode you have put the display hardware into a state which OS/2 does not understand. Try the following: Start a full screen DOS session. Then execute the command "SVGA ON". If the SVGA command cannot be found, change to the \OS2 directory of your boot drive. This command builds a table of each video mode so that OS/2 can safely restore switch back and forth when full screen programs directly manipulate the screen size. x x x x x x x x x x x x Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:18:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:45:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26368 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:43:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.Gsu.EDU!gsusgi2.gsu.edu!not-for-mail From: isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu (Tom Bowden) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Windows version of Kermit?? Date: 2 Nov 1994 10:18:49 -0500 Organization: Georgia State University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <398akp$i36@gsusgi2.gsu.edu> References: <17060C991S85.MSIMONDS@wsuvm1.csc.wsu.edu> <395hdt$3a8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: gsusgi2.gsu.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #3 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >The only recommended and supported Kermit program for Windows is MS-DOS >Kermit; current version 3.13, with 3.14 in Beta test. It is not a native >Windows program, but it works fine in an Enhanced-mode window. >Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary >mode, file mstibm.zip for 3.14-Beta. PFMJI, but there is something I've wondered about MS-Kermit and Windows: Since you include a kermit.pif in the MS-Kermit package, why don't you include a kermit.ico? The one in /kermit/a/wkkico.boo would do very nicely. -- Tom Bowden in Atlanta isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 21:22:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28055 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:11:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@markov.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 2 Nov 94 11:10:01 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: markov.mit.edu In-Reply-To: mgflax@panix.com's message of 1 Nov 1994 12:12:31 -0500 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395stv$7f9@panix2.panix.com> mgflax@panix.com (Marshall G. Flax) writes: Yes, the "DIAL" macro, quite extensively documented in the text files in the MSKERMIT .zip file. It would have been more useful if you'd mentioned what the command is ("DO DIAL number") and what file it is documented in (KERMIT.UPD). Saying that the documentation is somewhere in the Kermit directory is almost useless -- MS-DOS doesn't come with a grep that can handle wildcards. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- He was the sort of guy who would lie awake at night wondering whether "anal retentive" was hyphenated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 2 15:35:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05597 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:22:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27851 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:07:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!col.hp.com!news.dtc.hp.com!hpscit.sc.hp.com!hpuerci.atl.hp.com!hpuerca.atl.hp.com!johnp From: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com (John Pezzano) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 2 Nov 1994 15:35:26 GMT Organization: Hewlett-Packard NARC Atlanta Lines: 21 Distribution: world Message-Id: <398bju$941@hpuerci.atl.hp.com> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: hpuerca.atl.hp.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Patrick Stickler (stickler@news.gate.net) wrote: : I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) : with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify : a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any : case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis : throughput. READ YOUR MODEM MANUAL. There is no such thing as a 14.4 speed between a modem and the computer. Valid speeds are ... 9600, 19200, 38400, 57600 ... The 14.4 is modem to modem only. The modem, if its DTE speed is fixed, will handle the translation speeds between its effective modem to modem connection speed and the speed you use to communicate to the computer. You will probably get the same answer from your SUN tech support. And they will know the fastest speed you can set the computer port to. -- johnP John Pezzano, HP NARC Email: johnp@hpuerca.atl.hp.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 03:48:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 06:02:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!nts224.dialup.hawaii.edu!user From: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > > > >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, and unless > >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a new volunteer comes > >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh communications programming, there > >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both areas, at present, > >are dim. > > Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to use. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:21:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:21:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: UNIX C-Kermit and 14.4 modem, Help! Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:21:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <39ld4m$26o@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <395qp6$167h@inca.gate.net> stickler@news.gate.net (Patrick Stickler) writes: > I'm trying to use C-Kermit (C-Kermit 5A(162) ALPHA, 3 Nov 90, SUNOS 4.0, BSD) > with a 14.4 V42.bis/MNP5 modem, but the SET SPEED command does not specify > a 14400 baud rate, and the speed between the host and modem should in any > case be at least 57600 bps or faster to fully allow maximum V42.bis > throughput. > The current version of C-Kermit is 5A(189), with 5A(190) to be released any day now. C-Kermit should let you SET SPEED to any speed that is supported by the underlying tty driver. In the case of SunOS, 14400 is not one of the supported speeds. But you can use 19200 or 38400. You can't use 57600. Solaris supports a wider range of speeds. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 16:39:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12795 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:39:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-11 Ready for Testing Date: 7 Nov 1994 16:39:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 61 Message-Id: <39ll88$cfp@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-10 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of 11:15am EST, Monday, 7 November 1994: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-10 include: . Correction of RTS/CTS flow control problems that were introduced in Beta-10. . Addition of full Japanese character-ser support in terminal emulation: a) Additional character sets: JIS-Katanaka (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#13) JIS-Roman (JIS X 201, ISO(ECMA)#14) b) Additional choices in SET TERMINAL OUTPUT-SHIFT (for keyboarding of different Kanji character sets): JIS7-Kanji, EUC-Kanji, and DEC-Kanji. JIS7-Kanji can take the following modifers: JIS83-US (default) JIS83-Roman JIS83-75Roman JIS78-US JIS78-Roman JIS78-75Roman NOTE: This item still needs a bit more work, and should be fully operational in the next Beta edit. . Correction of some subtle bugs in screen management which were evident on Japanese DOS machines. . Pointer safety check added in the BOOTP client routine to ensure trouble does not occur if a BOOTP server fails to send a terminal token (255) in the response packet. . One more quick-action routine in file transfer code to react to loss of modem CD as soon as possible, primarily for BBS operators. . Two bugs corrected in the Wyse-50 terminal emulation, relating to setting of bold/dim/reverse visual attributes and to using a full 132 column screen. . Begin packing the executable files to save space on distribution media. This is the /EXEPACK option in LINK, not PKZIP or similar. Thanks, as always, to Joe Doupnik of Utah State University for this work, and also to Hirofumi Fujii of the Japan National Laboratory of High Energy Physics for the Kanji work, and for noticing and fixing some subtle bugs in the general screen management area. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:34:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15891 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16498 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:21:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news From: mike@ccs-sparc2post.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:34:39 GMT Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 24 Sender: mike%ccs-sparc2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Mike Smith) Distribution: world Message-Id: <39ldtv$jq4@knot.queensu.ca> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: |> |> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple |> years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? It's slow and error prone |> plus a pain to use. I can't offer an opinion on the Mac version. But as a general statement you are wrong. We use Kermit as the recommended communications software at Queen's for our PC users. It is not slow, it certainly isn't error prone, and as for being a pain to use, wrong again. Kermit has a very complete scripting language that made it possible for us to develop homegrown login scripts for our University's dial-in services. This lets us conceal a myriad of idiosyncracies related to our mainframe, PACX, telnet servers, etc. Why would anybody want to use Kermit? Because it does the job, works on all of our systems, is well-documented and supported, and incredibly, is free. -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 15:25:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03206 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 94 14:26:24 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: kudut@ritz.mordor.com's message of Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:03:47 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) writes: >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will magically get help for that command. Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the release notes for it. And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. The HELP command will give you pages of details about "SET BIT-MANGLE FROG-MODE", but there is no simple menu of the half-dozen commands that everybody needs. (Unlike every other terminal emulator I've ever seen.) And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- In the shopping malls, in the high school halls -- conform or be cast out! In the basement bars, in the backs of cars -- be cool or be cast out! -- Rush, "Subdivisions" From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 19:31:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03274 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:25:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 19:31:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:02:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:02:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 63 Message-Id: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) > writes: > >And why is it that Kermit comes with almost no documentation? > > It comes with a *lot* of documentation. The KERMIT.BWR and KERMIT.UPD > file are both sets of documentation. If you issue a HELP at the Kermit > prompt, you get more information. While you are typing in a comment, > but you are not sure what to type in next, press a ?, and you will > magically get help for that command. > > Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're > hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important > feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the > obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" > file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have > been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the > release notes for it. > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > And what is "KERMIT.BWR"? Last I heard, "BWR" stands for Boiling > Water Reactor. Put the documentation in one place, fer crying out > loud, don't scatter it among a half-dozen files. > For the historical-minded, Kermit was first developed in the early 80s when DEC was in its heyday, and every university had a DEC-10 or DEC-20 or a VAX. DEC software releases always included a "beware file", with file type .BWR. The idea was to get peoples' attention when something went wrong, and everybody knew to "look in the BWR file" before reporting bugs, etc. Those days are over, of course, and perhaps it would it be more intuitive (at least to newsgroup readers) to call them .FAQ files, but then we'd have to recast them all in question-and-answer form, like in Jeopardy, to avoid the inevitable rash of complaints. But, given limited resources and time, and an infinite amount of demand, this settles to a rather low rung on the priority ladder. The simple fact is that Kermit, like a great deal of other software, comes with a manual, and then some other files to supplement the manual, either in the form of updates, or technical hints and tips. Unlike a lot of this other software, however, it also comes with a brief help file listing all the commands. I don't think this is something to complain about. > And if you make the mistake of starting Kermit when the current > directory is not the installation directory, then Kermit can't find > its initization files, and voila! DIAL simply disappears. (I don't > know about the PC world, but as a general thing, Unix software is > bright enough to be able to find its initialization files on its own.) > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 22:26:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14343 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:26:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 7 Nov 1994 22:26:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) writes: > > Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my > scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be > nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg > It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. However, you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): define minput set alarm \%1,- :top,- if alarm end 1,- input 1 \%2,if success asg mynput 1,if success end 0,- if not def \%3 goto top,reinp 0 \%3,if succ asg mynput 2,if succ end 0,- if not def \%4 goto top,reinp 0 \%4,if succ asg mynput 3,if succ end 0,- if not def \%5 goto top,reinp 0 \%5,if succ asg mynput 4,if succ end 0,- if not def \%6 goto top,reinp 0 \%6,if succ asg mynput 5,if succ end 0,- if not def \%7 goto top,reinp 0 \%7,if succ asg mynput 6,if succ end 0,- if not def \%8 goto top,reinp 0 \%8,if succ asg mynput 7,if succ end 0,- if not def \%9 goto top,reinp 0 \%9,if succ asg mynput 8,if succ end 0,- goto top and then use it like this: minput 60 CONNECT ERROR {NO CARRIER} BUSY RING if fail errfail {No response from the modem} if eq \v(program) C-Kermit asg mynput \v(minput) goto CASE_\m(mynput) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 6 19:37:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11134 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:46:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:37:47 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the C-Kermit source files? Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 00:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22323 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:00:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 00:00:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: fdc.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article "Archimedes L. Trajano" writes: > Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the > C-Kermit source files? > Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For comparison, look at OS/2 C-Kermit, the closest C-Kermit counterpart to MS-DOS Kermit. The 16-bit executable is 500K, and the 32-bit one is 680K. Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and addressability are at a premium. If somebody should really want to adapt C-Kermit to DOS, however, it should be a mere matter of filling in some communications and file access primitives and writing a terminal emulator. And hooking in to the various networking APIs, if you can find them. Etc etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:45:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13567 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:45:31 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu's message of 02 Nov 1994 14:46:08 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article tolnas@sun1.engr.utk.edu (Barry Tolnas) writes: > In article fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) writes: > > > Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > > you are using upon startup? > > > > Fast Cart > > set line /dev/whatever > > > Barry But, "whatever" changes whenever I log in. Understand? I want something that will know what line I'm using... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:50:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14753 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:07:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:50:22 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 22 Message-Id: References: <396hic$3um@chopin.udel.edu> <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: ken@coho.halcyon.com's message of 2 Nov 1994 20:06:39 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > Arcell B. Frazier wrote: > >Is there a way for C-Kermit to automatically know what line "/dev/whatever" > >you are using upon startup? > > I'm not sure I'm clear on your requirements -- does /dev/tty do what you want? > > --Ken Pizzini I found that on the C-kermit protocol we use, (from '89) /dev/tty is always default at 1200 bps. I want to be able to "set line /dev/whatever" whenever I start C-kermit because I'm not always using the same tty. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 20:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18153 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:16:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17458 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 7 Nov 1994 20:53:50 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pesto.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 4 Nov 94 17:28:40 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You wrote: In article <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how > Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, > it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at > all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is > wierd this way. > Joe D. He is right. I had this problem. What I did was to set key for just about all of the Alt keys. You can email me and I'll send you what I have... Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 07:34:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07448 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18009 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:55:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 07:34:20 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >addressability are at a premium. Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:11:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18168 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:03:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!yeshua.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.terminals Subject: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) - MS-DOS Kermit, Terminal interrogation commands Date: 8 Nov 1994 08:11:13 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1022 comp.terminals:6023 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit respons to query CSI ? Ps $ p with response CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y According of my another docomentation response of this should be CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y (MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) Comments? -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 08:23:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:31:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 08:23:12 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. >Lewenberg) writes: >> >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg Yes, this was the command I was thinking of, that time I posted to ask if the next release of MS-Kermit would have more of the script commands that C-Kermit has. I stumbled across it in the C-Kerm docs, and thought "What a valuable tool for login scripts!" Then I couldn't find it again. This command does me no good in C-Kerm, which I use only as a remote, but would be seriously valuable in MSK! >It is kind of late in the Beta cycle to consider adding this. :( :( :( :( :( :( :( > However, >you might be able to make do by defining an MINPUT macro, something like >this (courtesy of James Sturdevant): [macro and example of how to use it deleted] Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save memory for key settings and screen rollback. Anyway, if you can't, you can't. But I'd be interested in this feature, too. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 15:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15172 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01099 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:37:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!cs.utk.edu!not-for-mail From: shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 10:26:18 -0500 Organization: University of Tennessee, Knoxville--Dept. of Computer Science Lines: 74 Distribution: world Expires: 31 Dec 1994 22:11:33 GMT Message-Id: <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: cetus2e.cs.utk.edu Summary: there are 2 cases, according to VT330/340 documentation Keywords: DECRQM, DECRPM, VT300, VT330, MS-Kermit, mode, setting, report Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6025 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1024 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: > >MS-DOS Kermit responds to query > CSI ? Ps $ p >with response > CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >According of my another docomentation response of this should be > CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y > >(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y > but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) > >- Kari E. Hurtta > Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI > {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair DECRQM and DECRPM. In the Digital documentation "VT330/VT340 Programmer Reference Manual, Volume 1: Text Programming" (EK-VT3XX-TP-001) on page 238 we find MODE SETTINGS (VT300 mode only) Request Mode DECRQM CSI Pa $ p Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) CSI ? Pd $ p Pa = DEC private mode (see table 12-3) Report Mode DECRPM CSI Pa;Ps $ y Pa = ANSI mode (see table 12-2) Ps = mode state 0 = unknown mode 1 = set 2 = reset 3 = permanently set 4 = permanently reset Set Mode SM CSI Pa; ...Pa h Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd h Pd = DEC private mode(s) Reset Mode RM CSI Pa; ...Pa l Pa = ANSI mode(s) CSI ? Pd; ...Pd l Pd = DEC private mode(s) (Notes: the CSI is hexadecimal 9B in 8-bit communication, or the sequence [ in 7-bit communication. Pa, Ps, and Pd are variable parameters. The "l" in the above RM command is a lowercase "L". Spaces in the description are for clarity and are not transmitted.) So one form of the response is appropriate for ANSI/ISO standardized modes, and the other form for DEC proprietary modes. Are you saying that MS-Kermit is generating the ANSI/ISO-mode response to the DEC-mode query? -- ...Richard S. Shuford | "When the righteous triumph, there is great elation; ...shuford@cs.utk.edu | but when the wicked rise to power, men go into ...Info-Stratus contact| hiding." Proverbs 28:12 NIV From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 11:21:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17132 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:21:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 94 11:07:35 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 43 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu's message of 7 Nov 1994 22:02:41 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention the DIAL command in passing at one point. Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of your disks? Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. The installation instructions are excruciatingly simple: Make a directory for the Kermit files, and then add that directory to your DOS PATH. See the READ.ME file in the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 ZIP file. Yes, but I have Kermit 3.13, and the READ.ME doesn't warn you that you have to modify your PATH. I will grant that it does tell you to read KERMIT.HLP, but that is a little long for installation instructions. The preceeding, of course, is for the benefit of those who want to use the software but don't want to consult the manual. We don't get a lot of complaints from Kermit users who *do* have the manual. If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my local software store and buy Procomm. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- The scariest quote I've seen in a long time: There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then [I] look around and see someone white and feel relieved. -- Jesse Jackson, as quoted by Mike Royko From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 16:52:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18817 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 8 Nov 1994 16:52:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > My comments were in reference to version 3.14. I think you will find a lot of improvements in version 3.14 over 3.13. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. > A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go buy Procomm. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:09:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16218 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:13:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!rcwusr.bp.com!learmonthgg From: learmonthgg@rcwusr.bp.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Message-Id: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Date: 8 Nov 94 12:09:41 -0500 Organization: BP Warrensville, Cleveland, OH (USA) Lines: 3 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anybody know where I can get a copy of Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Gaz. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:46:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:22:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Incorrect response to request of terminal mode status (DEC modes) Message-Id: <1994Nov8.104653.32279@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:46:53 MDT References: <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi> <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu> Followup-To: comp.terminals,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.terminals:6026 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1028 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39o5aqINN164@cetus2e.cs.utk.edu>, shuford@cs.utk.edu (Richard Shuford) writes: > In article <39nbr2$rkh@kronos.fmi.fi>, > hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) writes: >> >>MS-DOS Kermit responds to query >> CSI ? Ps $ p >>with response >> CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >>According of my another docomentation response of this should be >> CSI ? Ps; Ps1 $ y >> >>(MS-Kermit's documentation gives that response is CSI Ps; Ps1 $ y >> but I think that this is incorrect for VT -series emulation.) >> >>- Kari E. Hurtta >> Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI >> {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi > > I think that you are referring to the VT300-mode request/response pair > DECRQM and DECRPM. ---------- Kari is correct. A question mark was omitted from the DEC-specific report. I've corrected that (and in msvibm.vt) here this morning and the results will appear in the next beta of MSK. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 04:56:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01018 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21612 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:23:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) writes: > In article <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > But if one looks up the DIAL command in KERMIT.HLP, one sees "See > KERMIT.UPD". So it should not be that hard to figure out. > > Hmmm... Just checked my KERMIT.HLP (version 3.13, gotten from > watsun.cc.columbia.edu, I think, but I can't check right now, its FTP > server is hosed), and it doesn't say that, although it does mention > the DIAL command in passing at one point. > > Like most other DOS programs, Kermit needs to know where its ancilliary > files are so it can behave in a consistent way no matter what directory > you start it from. What would you have it do -- a "find file" over all of > your disks? > > Have KERMIT.EXE know where to look, as is universal in Unix software. > You wouldn't even have to make it configurable, since everything > assumes that Kermit will be in C:\KERMIT. > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. The latter "feature" can be implemented under current versions of DOS but only with trepedition from a non-tree directory system (all those letters, SUBST, network drive mappings, all the things which make it nearly impossible to know a directory as a real directory). Joe D. > Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:52:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02742 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:52:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit for ALPHA VMS ? Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:52:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 6 Message-Id: <39ooes$n3m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.120941.1253@rcwusr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Alpha, VMS, AXP Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit for OpenVMS/AXP can be found on kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/ and its subdirectories. Begin by getting the file kermit/test/ckvaaa.hlp and reading it. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 20:20:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13505 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20113 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:12:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 8 Nov 1994 20:20:48 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 33 Message-Id: <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > >>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>addressability are at a premium. > > Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware > authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in > assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A > program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world > that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- > written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to be critical. Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some unnecessary bells and whistles. --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:30:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08013 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:30:00 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guy is asking for improvement? From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 12:29:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:37:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!news.mcgill.ca!cidsv01.cid.aes.doe.ca!cidsv01!afsypng From: afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. In-Reply-To: phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu's message of Mon, 7 Nov 1994 03:48:19 GMT Message-Id: Sender: @cid.aes.doe.ca (Network News) Organization: Quatrieme etage References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:29:13 GMT Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: In article phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: >> >Mac Kermit is in need of a lot of development and fixing. > >> >Currently, nobody is working on the Mac-specific parts of it, >> and unless >we get funding to hire a Macintosh programmer, or a >> new volunteer comes >forward who is highly skilled in Macintosh >> communications phinely> programming, there >> >will not be much movement in this area. Prospects in both >> areas, at phinely> present, >> >are dim. > phinely> Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in phinely> cyberspace for a couple years? Why would anybody want to phinely> use kermit? It's slow and error prone plus a pain to phinely> use. Glad you asked Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys is asking for improvment? From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 17:00:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:56:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov8.230025.32339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Nov 94 23:00:25 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39omj0$ocs@news.halcyon.com>, ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) writes: > (Sorry for continuing this thread in cpkm...) > > In article , > Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: >>In article <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >>Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >> >>>Although it might be unfashionable these days, there still is quite >>>a lot to be said for assembly language, especially when memory and >>>addressability are at a premium. >> >> Oh, I wouldn't say that (unfashionable, that is). Shareware >> authors often advertise the fact if they wrote their programs in >> assembly, and sometimes go on to point out the advantages: A >> program that's small and fast. There's no compiler in the world >> that can optimize like a knowledgeable programmer. IMHO, well- >> written assembly is definitely a feature that savvy users look for. > > The problem with assembly is that complicated-but-faster algorithms > are less likely to be used, and it is much more likely that arbritrary > limits on data sizes will be introduced in order to simplify programming. > Also modern compilers will do a better job of optimizing than a > mediocre programmer, in most cases. In the optimize-for-speed relm it > is much more fruitful to program in a high-level-language, profile the > resulting program, and hand-code only the routines thus determined to > be critical. > > Then again, modern compilers are usually built to optimize for speed, > not space. If memory is tight hand-coded assembly still has an edge. > If nothing else it will encourage the programmer to leave out some > unnecessary bells and whistles. ------------ May I end this thread as a person with some experience in both assembler and C? There is no way C can beat decent assembler. All those push/pops and stack references (that's touching real memory folks) kill performance. Programs beyond the hobbyist level aren't designed and written by undoing C code to assembler; far from it. They are designed differently from the ground up. I doubt many readers here have any idea of what is involved using C without all the helpful crutches provided by the compiler vendor. Remove the startup routines, and the run time libraries, and mix in near and far code and data, add interrupt routines. That will do for openers. It's not at all like programming "Hello World\n". Yet this occurs in MS-DOS Kermit which is 80% assembler and which uses C for the TCP/IP stack, and that's run partly at interrupt level and never as a "main" program. There is no main() nor any vendor libraries etc. And I wish your last phrase were true, sigh. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:16:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13926 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11327 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:29:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:16:47 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 20 Message-Id: <39qi3v$s7r@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: % Well, it comes with a lot of documentation files, but they're % hellishly organized. The DIAL command, the second most important % feature (the first is terminal emulation), isn't in KERMIT.HLP, the % obvious documentation file, but is banished to the "Release notes" % file for some incomprehensible reason. Since one expects DIAL to have % been is version 1.0000, one does not naturally think of looking in the % release notes for it. I know it's frustrating when you can't get software to work, but I really do think you should modify your tone when asking for help. I'm astonished at how patient people have been in replying to your queries given the way that you phrase them. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:01:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!math.mit.edu!drw From: drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. Worley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 94 08:58:40 Organization: National Institute for Lameness, Cambridge, MA, USA Lines: 29 Message-Id: References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: runge.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jrd@cc.usu.edu's message of 8 Nov 94 10:56:02 MDT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my > local software store and buy Procomm. But then you'd have to read it all by yourself with no way to talk to the developers. So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And the developers do listen to what customers complain about. DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the program is built to look in its startup directory. You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works quite reliably. Dale Dale Worley Dept. of Math., MIT drw@math.mit.edu -- We have ways to make you scream. -- Intel advertisement, in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal (Yeah, like having to write 80x86 assembler code!) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:32:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17712 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:32:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!galileo.cc.rochester.edu!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!mcia From: mcia@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Mike Ciaraldi) Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Message-Id: <1994Nov9.133234.27003@galileo.cc.rochester.edu> Sender: news@galileo.cc.rochester.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: uhura.cc.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester (Rochester, NY) References: <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 94 13:32:34 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39oaco$5us@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article drw@runge.mit.edu (Dale R. >Worley) writes: >> If I wanted to buy the manual for a telecomm program, I'd go to my >> local software store and buy Procomm. >> >A noble attitude. In other words, since you don't want to buy a manual, >you expect real human people to work for you, for free. To develop >software for you AND document it, AND answer your questions, all for >free, and listen to your complaints about how they did it. Please, go >buy Procomm. > >- Frank Well said, Frank! --Mike Ciaraldi University of Rochester From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 14:35:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17971 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15033 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:35:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 9 Nov 1994 14:35:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 57 Message-Id: <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Dale R. Worley wrote: >In article <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >So far, the developers haven't been stunningly useful. I've made one >request, "The DIAL command is the single most important command in a >terminal emulator, so you should make it *easy* to find out how to use >it." and the developers have replied "We don't care." The "we don't care." are your words not Frank's, not Joe's, and not mine. We do care. However, we also do have limited time. 3.14 is still in Beta. There is a ways to go yet. Be patient. Frank and Joe commented in previous messages about your claim that DIAL was not documented anywhere. They correctly pointed out that you were wrong. Granted, with a several hundred page book, and several update files there is a lot to read. But this is *free* software (until you buy the manual.) >And for most commercial software, you *can* talk to tech support. And >the developers do listen to what customers complain about. Hate to tell you. Tech support is a far cry from talking to the developers. Sure Tech Support may be able to tell you where to find the DIAL command in the docs, but in most cases they can't help you with the real world of non-PC to PC based communication. > > DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix > won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the > program is built to look in its startup directory. > >You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works >quite reliably. Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? C:\KERMIT D:\KERMIT F:\MSK C:\BIN\COMM\MSK how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories of init files in order to preserve separate configurations. Maybe for a laptop on the LAN vs. a laptop connected to the LAN via a remote dialup. You can't hard code directory names. Sorry. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version available: ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/bin/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15015 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:39:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!idiom.com!idiom!jason From: jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [ANSWER] Re: C Kermit and meta keys - Date: 09 Nov 1994 19:53:50 GMT Organization: Idiom Consulting / Berkeley, CA USA Lines: 6 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: Nntp-Posting-Host: idiom.com In-Reply-To: jason@idiom.com's message of 03 Nov 1994 21:45:26 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The answer to this question is: set command bytesize 8 Thanks to Ken Pizzini for the answer. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 01:15:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18014 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:44:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!koriel!newsworthy.West.Sun.COM!cronkite.Central.Sun.COM!news2me.EBay.Sun.COM!engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM!peregrine!falk From: falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Date: 9 Nov 1994 01:15:17 GMT Organization: Sun Lines: 8 Message-Id: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: peregrine.eng.sun.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ADVthanxANCE, -- -ed falk, sun microsystems falk@sun.com "Towards the end, the smell of their air began to change" From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 19:46:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07570 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:06:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nwnexus!news.halcyon.com!coho!ken From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys Date: 9 Nov 1994 19:46:33 GMT Organization: What, me? Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39r8up$37e@news.halcyon.com> References: <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: coho.halcyon.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39eco1$h7k@news.halcyon.com>, Ken Pizzini wrote: >In article , >Jason Venner wrote: >>I use C-Kermit on my linux machine and dial into various unix hosts. >> >>Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >>Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >>to the remote side? > >set term byte 8 This was only a partial answer. He also needed to set command bytesize 8 --Ken Pizzini From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 20:01:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!merk!harvee.billerica.ma.us!esj From: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us (Eric S Johansson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Distribution: world Message-Id: Subject: Re: C Kermit and meta keys References: <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us X-Software: HERMES GUS 1.10 Rev. May 3 1993 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 15:01:32 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov4.172840.32062@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik writes: >In article , jason@idiom.com (Jason Venner) writes: >> Kermit does not seem to honor the meta key. >> Is there a way to make it recongnize 8 bit characters and pass them through >> to the remote side? >> > There isn't such a key. Perhaps you are still thinking of how >Emacs chooses to interpret the local keyboard. Hint: ALT sends nothing, >it only modifies other keypresses, and the modification has nothing at >all to do with adding a high bit. Ditto Control and Shift. Emacs is >wierd this way. > Joe D. well, in days long past, in RMS land, there were systems with "meta" key as well as a "hyper" key. if I remember correctly, "meta" did add 0x80 to each char. --- eric -- esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us ka1eec those that do not read history are doomed to repost it From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 23:07:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29928 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:34:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.uwa.edu.au!madvax.uwa.edu.au!watson From: watson@madvax.maths.uwa.edu.au (David Watson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to tell Kermit I have a sun-cmd screen? Date: 9 Nov 1994 23:07:36 GMT Organization: Maths Dept UWA Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: <39rkno$vaj@styx.uwa.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: pandanus.maths.uwa.edu.au Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I run Linux on my 486 and so I have XView and the openwin screens which I have become quite accustomed to. But Kermit doesn't understand them and I have to use the vt100 terminal screen when I use Kermit. How can I tell Kermit that I have sun-cmd screens? Many thanks for any help. -- Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au Department of Mathematics watson@DIALix.oz.au The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 1359 Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028 From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 02:17:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07783 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02613 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:30 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:17:28 GMT Lines: 52 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu wrote: >Hi, >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Are you sure you're getting the right file-- kermit/test/bin/ mstibm.zip? Your executables are right after the readme: Archive: mstibm.zip Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name ("^" ==> case ------ ------ ---- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- conversion) 10577 Implode 4473 58% 10-30-94 15:59 b99272a2 ^read.me 228152 Implode 146491 36% 11-07-94 10:40 cbf6f11f ^kermit.exe <=== 158290 Implode 102723 35% 11-07-94 10:40 533ef169 ^kermite.exe <=== 103274 Implode 66358 36% 11-07-94 10:40 f94fd286 ^kerlite.exe <=== > Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Neither. There's nothing to compile-- the executables are ready to run. You may want to work over the INItialization and script files, depending on how you use Kermit. Since this is a beta, it would probably be better if you were to create a separate directory for 3.14, rather than just dumping the files in (and overwriting files already in) the directory where you have 3.13. > Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you That all depends on what features you want the most. If the Kermit on your host is so old that it doesn't support sliding windows, long packets, control character unprefixing, or uses the old terminalR/terminalS instead of the newer APC, the new Kermit won't help all that much. However, if you want the new script commands, character sets, etc., then get 3.14. I can't speak for other platforms, but if your account is on a Unix host and you have the space in your quota, it's not too hard to get the sources for C-Kermit 190 and build your own copy. (If space *is* a problem, gzexe compresses the executable very nicely to about 1/2 original size.) IMO the new crash recovery feature alone is worth the effort, and if your host's Kermit doesn't have the other features previously mentioned, so much more the reason. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 01:41:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:33:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!ucssun1!gillespi From: gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (gillespie) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! Date: 10 Nov 1994 01:41:11 GMT Organization: San Diego State University Computing Services Lines: 13 Message-Id: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.191.1.100 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading files please do! Wally Gillespie From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:34:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:39:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Message-Id: <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:34:40 MDT References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () writes: > Hi, > Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from > kermit.columbia.edu. > These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the > binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where > mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server > I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit > on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you ---------- Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement then follow instructions in that message. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:52:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09338 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 19:52:21 MDT References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 39 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net>, oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) writes: > fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > >>In article "Archimedes L. >>Trajano" writes: >>> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >>> C-Kermit source files? >>> >>Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >>for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >>possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >>Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >>when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >>MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. > > For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important > features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the > C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible > (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a > way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit > version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not > possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's > scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I > would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability > of MS-kermit scripts. ---------- I'm sorry, but MSK and CK are not code compatible at all. The command parsers which you like so much are extremely complicated sets of code in each program, and they are very different. There will be operations in one which are either awkward to implement in the other or just can't be because of internal design considerations. We try to make the two behave similarly, but there are limits on program effects as well as person time involved (and I want to emphasize that this means a *lot* of concentrated effort). I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then we don't have any idea of what's important to you. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 03:51:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25177 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23959 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:52:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!jwarner From: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 03:51:17 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 22 Message-Id: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Reply-To: jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): set line /dev/ph1 set speed 9600 set log session dial 0000000 connect How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org Thanks, Jack. -- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 09:48:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24437 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:05:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: HELP! Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:48:26 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39rtnn$spo@gondor.sdsu.edu>, gillespie (gillespi@ucssun1.sdsu.edu) wrote: >So I've figured out how to ftp files to my account @ sdsu's ucssun1 >and can even look and see that they are there. I found a handout >at the university computer operations office that gave some insight into >using kermit, but I'm still missing some pieces of the puzzle. Here I >sit at home connected to the sun server, but I can't quite figure out >how to send files to my PC. I tried the send command with one of the >files that I ftp'd to my acct. and kept getting told that the file >I was asking for didn't exist. However, after using the "ls" command >at the c kermit prompt the file I wanted to send was listed. Where am >I going wrong. If anyone could email me a procedure for downloading >files please do! I can think of only one remote possibility (even more remote, considering that you got ftp to work): You are aware, aren't you, that the Unix system on which you have your account is case sensitive? Because it is, so is the Kermit running on it. You have to type in the file name *exactly* as it appears in the "ls" listing, after the send command. Unlike with DOS, filename, Filename, and FILENAME are different names for different files. Other than this guess, I haven't a clue, and I'm sorry if I've told you something so basic as to sound insulting. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 07:59:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26124 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:22:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 7 Nov 1994 15:59:02 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 16 Message-Id: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been written that use kermit's telnet all along) -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 15:56:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27997 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 06:24:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pointer to kermit protocol spec? Message-Id: <1994Nov9.215636.32432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Nov 94 21:56:36 MDT References: <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39p7r5$fo1@engnews2.Eng.Sun.COM>, falk@peregrine.eng.sun.com (Ed Falk) writes: > Hi all; can anybody point me to the kermit protocol spec? It > would be ever so much easier than reading source code. ----------- Sure, no problem. Purchase the book "Kermit, a file transfer protocol" by Frank da Cruz, ISBN 0-932376-88-6, Digital Press (or used to be, Frank?), about $35. It's the formal spec doc to that time. Further extensions are on kermit.columbia.edu in the kermit directory heirarchy. I have two large grad classes using this book as one of two books. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 00:25:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05536 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Message-Id: <1994Nov10.062523.32448@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Nov 94 06:25:23 MDT References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 14 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's > ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some > PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. > So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT > (I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been > written that use kermit's telnet all along) ---------- I replied to this privately but here is a summary. FTP Inc's ODIPKT has a license detection feature in ARP which prevents Kermit or other non-FTP program from accessing ARP packets over their ODIPKT. Both FTP's stack and Kermit will run over Harvard's ODIPKT, but never together. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 16:44:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25744 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:36:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: if busy hangup and try again ... Date: 10 Nov 1994 16:44:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 30 Message-Id: <39til8$b02@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <39s5bl$dqe@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jwarner@prairienet.org (Jack E. Warner) writes: >My .kermrc file looks something like this (from memory): > set line /dev/ph1 > set speed 9600 > set > log session > dial 0000000 > connect >How do I tell C-Kermit for UNIX "if you get a busy signal, hangup and redial >until you get success, then connect"? I have no documentation for this >program and would like to customize it just a bit and get tired of typing >red, ^c, red ^c, red, ^c, red, ^c, red, ... connect. >Please send response to jwarner@prairienet.org >Thanks, >Jack. RTFM. Kermit has a powerful script language. Look at the CCSO Kermit doc in gopher for a full page of references, or ftp to watsun.cc.columbia.edu. Many sample scripts are disctributed with MS-DOS kermit that will do what you want. A trivial one would be: :dial-loop out ATDT xxx-xxxx\13 in 45 BUSY if suc goto dial-loop echo Not Busy, so I assume we're connected! You can define this as a macro, or a take-file. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 18:36:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28007 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:06:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit 3.14 run on PCTCP's ODIPKT Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:36:22 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 23 Message-Id: <39tp76$6ti@chopin.udel.edu> References: <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39kmo6$k82@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, PM Wong wrote: :We have been using Kermit's telnet (over either packet driver or Novell's :ODI, i.e. Da Lancinni's ODIPKT) for quite some time now. Recently some :PCTCP's apps have to be run and we want to keep the user Kermit telnet. :So it'll be handy if Kermit can run on top of PCTCP's ODIPKT :(I don't want to go for the tnglass option as batch files have been :written that use kermit's telnet all along) It'll work, but I don't understand why you would want to do this. Kermit can directly interface with odi packets (has been able to since v3.12 or was that 3.11?) Anyway, just do a set tcp packet odi instead of using the packet driver intrupt. However, if you're still hell bent on using PCTCP's odipkt, then yes, it will run over that too... --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 7 14:47:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11130 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:19:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Date: 7 Nov 1994 14:47:32 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <39lem4$9qc@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <395huk$3uv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu wrote: : Is this a joke, or did this message get lost in cyberspace for a couple : years? Why would anybody want to use kermit? Unequalled emulation, built-in Tektronix support (in the DOS version), and free. > It's slow My own tests indicate very close to the theoretical maximum. Transfer rates are typically 97% to 106% of Zmodem. Have you found something much faster than Zmodem? : and error prone I go weeks at a time without an error. Please elaborate. : plus a pain to use. Ah, no GUI. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 04:46:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:13:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!news.service.uci.edu!rigel.oac.uci.edu!eapu603 From: eapu603@rigel.oac.uci.edu (Michiko Fukada) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.unix.osf.osf1 Subject: Re: anyone got kermit on Alpha? where's the ftp site? Date: 11 Nov 1994 04:46:08 GMT Organization: University of California, Irvine Lines: 3 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <39usug$mt5@news.service.uci.edu> References: <39ir37$gfl@scunix2.harvard.edu> <1994Nov6.155242.2102@news.csuohio.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: rigel.oac.uci.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1056 comp.unix.osf.osf1:6245 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Isn't kermit available on the Alpha Freeware CD? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18331 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:21:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!charon.citicorp.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!kronos.fmi.fi!dionysos.fmi.fi!hurtta From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.msdos.programmer Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 14:21:45 GMT Organization: Finnish Meteorological Institute (FMI) Lines: 34 Message-Id: <39ta9p$5j6@kronos.fmi.fi> References: <1994Nov8.105602.32280@cc.usu.edu> <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: dionysos.fmi.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Article <39qmng$ela@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> of Jeffrey Altman X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5(beta3).0 #6 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1057 comp.os.msdos.programmer:46468 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu [ From newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc ] jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: ;> DOS ain't Unix, in case you haven't discovered that yet. Unix ;> won't necessarily find files either unless the PATH is used or the ;> program is built to look in its startup directory. ;> ;>You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works ;>quite reliably. ;Are you saying hard code a specific directory name into an executable? ;This is nuts. Where do you keep your MS-DOS Kermit? ;C:\KERMIT ;D:\KERMIT ;F:\MSK ;C:\BIN\COMM\MSK ;how are we supposed to know where you keep your files? I have impression, that in MS-DOS 3 (or was it 3.2?) or newer full path from where program was started is accessible to program. ;Then there is the second case, I know where the exe files are but ;where are the initialization files. Many people use separate directories Yes. This is another case, perhaps some environment variable is good in this case. -- - Kari E. Hurtta / Eldmd on monimutkaista Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI puh. (90) 1929 658 {hurtta,root,Postmaster}@dionysos.fmi.fi From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 12 02:02:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:43:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!haven.umd.edu!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (davis robert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 11 Nov 1994 21:02:54 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This afternoon, I hooked up a 14,400 baud modem to my UNIX box, set the line being used to 19,200 bps (the modem's manual suggests setting the speed between the modem and computer to 19,200 bps) in inittab and set C-Kermit's speed to 19,200 bps. Although everything else, such as viewing files on the screen, reading news, etc., is faster, when I attempt to transfer any files, the file transfer is about as slow as it was as 1,200 bps! Am I doing someting wrong, or is kermit supposed to transfer files this slowly? It took almost 4 minutes to transfer a 25K uncompressed text file. Thanks very much for any information that anyone can provide about what, if anything, is wrong here. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:35:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02906 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:35:25 CDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , afsypng@cmcws75.cmc.aes.doe.ca (Jacques Marcoux) writes: >>>>>> "phinely" == phinely babbles: > In article > phinely@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu writes: > > > phinely> In article <39eb19$6sm@tardis.Tymnet.COM>, > phinely> jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM (Joe Smith) wrote: > [snip] > > Me for one, this is the only thing I can use to connect to some remote > site. Yes it is slow, Yes it is error prone, why do you think the guys > is asking for improvment? > Slow? I'm getting about 2300cps w/ a 14.4k modem using compression--if this is slow (I upgraded from a 2400), somebody please tell me what I need to do to increase the speed. As for errors, the only time I get *any* errors is if I forget to set filetype binary on both ends before a non-text transfer. For those of you who might know how to make my transfer speed increase, but need particulars, my *.ini reads: set send pack 4096 ser receive pack 4096 set block 3 set window 2 set retry 63 The terminal server that I connect to suports transfer rates as high as 38400, but no higher (KU is planning on upgrading its servers.) Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. Also, I use a high retry number because my link will sometimes hang for an extended period (not kermit's fault) and start kermit's retry sequence (which has timed out before.) Thanks for any help, and good luck to the poster on getting improved performance. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 11 13:45:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:45:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02910 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:44:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 11 Nov 94 18:45:06 CDT Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, all. I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) There is a native version of Kermit available for this OS, but I'd rather not tie myself to a proprietary implementation of the standard. Will one of the VMS versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how difficult will it be to set up? Thanks for any answers, even negative ones. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 07:17:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:41:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help With Transfer Rate Date: 12 Nov 1994 02:17:27 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 43 Message-Id: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's going on: I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least that's what the status bar on MSK says). MS-Kermit C-Kermit set flow none set flow none set windows 3 set windows 3 set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 set file display none set file names literal However, when I run C-Kermit from my Linux box I don't get anywhere near the same performance. FYI, the two machines are right next to each other, and have the same hardware (actually, they may have different ethernet cards). I connect to the same host. The .mykermit file on the local machine looks the same as the above C-Kermit one except that the file display line reads ``set file display crt''. I found that fullscreen did indeed slow it down a lot, and that there wasn't much difference between crt and serial, and that the improvement over none wasn't so significant that I wanted to give up knowing how the file transfer was going. (Yes, I got all of this from the C-Kermit book--a must get!). So, am I doing something wrong? Is the report generated by MSK wrong, and I should really look at the host's `stat' report? Is there something that I should be setting since I'm going from C-Kermit to C-Kermit? Am I so illiterate that I totally missed something in the book? Thanks in advance for any and all help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 8 23:35:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16341 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:12:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have MINPUT? Date: 8 Nov 1994 23:35:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 21 Message-Id: <39p20m$rn1@blackice.winternet.com> References: <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Jeffrey Hurwit (jhurwit@netcom.com) wrote: : In article <39m9i5$e00@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, : Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : >In article <39lv9v$2s@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. : >Lewenberg) writes: : >> : >> Will the New MS-DOS Kermit have the MINPUT command? I would like my : >> scripts to work in both MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit, so it would be : >> nice if MINPUT was supported n MS-DOS Kermit. Adam Lewenberg : [macro and example of how to use it deleted] : Yes, this would work, but it's a little big, and memory is at a : premium for some of us. I tend to use take files more, and save : memory for key settings and screen rollback. Well, there is no reason that you can't put the text into a take file and then define minput to take the take file. Macros are no more than memory resident take files. JamesS From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 16:23:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28418 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 11:23:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!not-for-mail From: rdavis4@umbc.edu (R. D. Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: cmsg cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Control: cancel <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Date: 12 Nov 1994 11:23:09 -0500 Organization: University of Maryland, Baltimore County Campus Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3a2q5e$7q8@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: f-umbc8.umbc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> was cancelled from within trn. -- R.D. Davis | Eccentrics have more fun! :-) ...uunet!mystica!rdd | rdavis4@umbc.edu | Under construction: http://access.digex.net/~rdd 1-410-744-7964 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 12:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:41:08 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Where to get Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 12 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 12:44:54 +0000 Message-Id: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). Cheers, -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:12:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:12:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:12:39 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 beta 11, and it's been nice being able to help Kermit's progression in any way. However, I have a problem that's been around since at least beta-4. Sometimes when I'm online to here at Columbia things freeze up. By accident I discovered that when I go into command mode and type 'show modem' or run a DOS program or whatever, the RD light on my modem snaps on again, and all's well with the world. For a while this was happening a lot; I thought it went away, but it happened again a couple times today. Any ideas? I haven't been able to reproduce the problem myself, but when it happens the 'show modem' method works every time. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 21:14:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17262 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:14:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!ciao.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Why does Kermit freeze up on me? Date: 12 Nov 1994 21:14:22 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a3b7e$grc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a3b47$gp6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: ciao-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I should also point out that I'm running MS-Kermit on an old Tandy XT clone and an Intel 144/144e external 14.4k modem. Nothing's changed at all configurationwise since when I was using 3.13, and I don't think this happened then. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission 7/92-7/94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 09:21:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:58:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!hk.super.net!news.ust.hk!hpg30a.csc.cuhk.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!ctsc.hkbc.hk!not-for-mail From: s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 9 Nov 1994 17:21:46 +0800 Organization: HONG KONG BAPTIST COLLEGE Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Nntp-Posting-Host: ctsc.hkbc.hk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31601 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1066 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass via Int 14. Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout of the unix host ? -- \\\// (o o) [----------------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------------] PM Wong (Computer Officer) [User User User User User User User User Us] CTSC Hong Kong Baptist College [ser User User User User User User User Use] 224 Waterloo Road, Kln. HONGKONG [er User User User User User User User User] Voice: (852)3397425 Fax: 3397888 [------------------------------------------] Email: pm@ctsc.hkbc.hk From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 18:26:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19917 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:49:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!oberg From: oberg@teal.csn.org (Craig Oberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Date: 9 Nov 1994 18:26:05 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 28 Message-Id: <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article "Archimedes L. >Trajano" writes: >> Is it not possible to create an MS-DOS version of Kermit from the >> C-Kermit source files? >> >Maybe, but why bother? It would be bigger, slower, and do less, except >for some of the script programming features. With some care, it is quite >possible to write script programs that are portable between MS-DOS >Kermit and C-Kermit. I'm not denigrating C-Kermit at all, but really, >when you consider how much functionality is packed into the 200K-or-so >MS-DOS Kermit executable, it's astounding. For my use, the script programming is one of the MOST important features of MS-kermit and C-Kermit. I would love to have the the C-kermit and MS-Kermit scripting interfaces be 100% compatible (except for those limited by the OS). Perhaps there could be a way to link the C-kermit scripting source in to the MS-kermit version with out increasing the size dramaticly. If this is not possible or wise, then I would request to enhance the MS-kermit's scripting features to be compatible with C-kermit. For me, I would trade a lot of the size to get compatibility and readability of MS-kermit scripts. Craig Oberg oberg@hexagon.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 9 13:12:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21298 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 12 Nov 1994 20:25:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!newserve!br00031 From: br00031@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 9 Nov 1994 13:12:34 GMT Organization: Binghamton University, Binghamton, NY Lines: 9 Message-Id: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 128.226.1.2 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from kermit.columbia.edu. These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 23:19:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:31:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28340 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:30:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!cs932070 From: cs932070@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Dept. of Computer Science References: <39mf2a$lpf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <39r47t$pil@burgundy.csn.net> <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:19:32 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: > I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >we don't have any idea of what's important to you. One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my own decisions as to what should be included or not. -- Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 04:16:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:12:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:11:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!reflib From: reflib@enh.nist.gov Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Date: 13 NOV 94 04:16:31 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 6 Message-Id: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >We have to manually press ^] and then type c to ... exit to DOS... I don't know if there's a way to "automate" an exit to DOS, but alt-x should work. reflib@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:10:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07955 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:39:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!athena.mit.edu!fastcart From: fastcart@MIT.EDU (Arcell B. Frazier) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: .kermrc question (UNIX) Date: 13 Nov 1994 06:10:56 GMT Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 10 Message-Id: References: <398rgf$3q9@news.halcyon.com> <3a0lci$c9h@tardis.Tymnet.COM> Nntp-Posting-Host: cacciatore.mit.edu In-Reply-To: jms@tardis.Tymnet.COM's message of 11 Nov 1994 12:49:22 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ok. I'm confused then. Thanks. Fast Cart -- =============================================================================== Fast Cart (Arcell B. Frazier) Phone: (617)225-8945 500 Memorial Drive #372 "But, my friends call me Fast Cart... Cambridge, MA 02139-4326 Well, at least I prefer that anyway!" fastcart@mit.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 14:41:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18133 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:57:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:56:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) Subject: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:41:25 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:995 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1072 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its substitutes. I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? Ran -- Ran Chermesh E - M A I L Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:04:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11551 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:04:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:04:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 8 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5de8$b8t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <13NOV94.04163145@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: TNGLASS Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu TNGLASS does not tell Kermit when the connection is broken, so Kermit can't pop back to the prompt automatically. In fact, Kermit does not even know it's a TELNET connection. Kermit's internal TCP/IP TELNET implementation does exactly what you want, and goes faster and does more things, but you can't run it at the same time as PC/TCP. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:08:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:08:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:08:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3a5dl5$bd7@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu>, wrote: >Could anyone explain what I should do with the files from >kermit.columbia.edu. >These do not seem to be executables. Am I supposed to compile the >binary code or do I just place the files in the directory where >mskermit 3.13 is now. Also before I bother upgrading, if the server >I conncet to, my University, does not upgrade its version of Kermit >on its platform is my upgrading a waste of time? Thank you > It sounds like what you are really asking is, where can I get a newer version of MS-DOS Kermit? MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is in Beta test. The "draft" distribution diskette image is in a ZIP file, including the executables: Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch to preserve the directory structure, read the top-level READ.ME file for installation instructions. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 10 13:20:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11780 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:11:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Receiving files "automatically" Date: 10 Nov 1994 13:20:11 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <39t6mb$kd6@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <39m861$bob@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dale R. Worley (drw@runge.mit.edu) wrote: : You just compile the correct directory into the executable. It works : quite reliably. I *hate* programs with the directory compiled into the executable. 1. The "correct directory" is inevitably under the root directory, so the root directory listing is huge. I prefer to group applications by type. 2. Ever try to share an application across a network that demands to run from "C:\EGOTIST" and to find all of its configuration files there? We have rejected several software packages for this very reason. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 16:12:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18847 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 11:12:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where to get Kermit Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 13 Nov 1994 16:12:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 22 Sender: fdc@columbia.edu Message-Id: <3a5du4$bhv@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <784644294snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >Can anyone tell me where I should go to get the latest version of Kermit >for MS-DOS? What server, filename, etc. is it? > kermit.columbia.edu. The latest version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14 Beta, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. >Also, is the source code available? Is it in 'C'? Will it run on my ICL >DRS6000 and my Siemens Nixdorf RM400 at work? (Nearing in mind I have >minimal skills in 'C' so I couldn't modify the code if I had to). > Aren't those UNIX machines? Then just run C-Kermit on them. I sounds like you would be surprised to find out that Kermit programs are already written to run on most kinds of computers and operating systems. C-Kermit 5A(190) is on the same host, directory kermit/f. Get the file ckaaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 18:34:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24622 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 13:36:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number 2) keep redialing if busy 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. 5) enter the line "slip default" 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use NCSA's telnet Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip connection. I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you Carlos From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 19:38:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:39:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 13 Nov 1994 19:38:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 71 Message-Id: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: christine.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu As of 13 November 1994, C-Kermit 5A(190) is installed for real on kermit.columbia.edu, replacing the previous version, 5A(189) of 30 June 1993. This is the Kermit software for UNIX (all varieties), VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, AOS/VS, OS-9, the Macintosh, the Commodore Amiga, and the Atari ST. Highlights of the new version are: . File transfer recovery from point of failure (binary-mode transfers only): UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, VOS, Amiga. . Massive improvements in the OS/2 version. . Totally new and full-featured implementations for QNX and Stratus VOS. . Support for many new OS releases: Solaris 2.3, AIX 4.1, Unixware 1.1, new releases of Linux, {Free,Net,etc}BSD, OpenVMS 6.x, etc etc... . Auto-upload/download/configuration/anything-else via APC mechanism: UNIX, VMS, OS/2. . Numerous improvements in performance, script programming, client/server protocol, character sets, file transfer display, dialing, etc. C-Kermit 5A(190) is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/f (NOT kermit/b), also known as kermit/c-kermit, and several other directories, as follows: kermit/f (= kermit/c-kermit) - FTP all files in text mode: Source code; Documentation files (.hlp, .nr, .upd, .bwr, .doc, etc); Initialization and script files (.ini, .kdd, .ksd, etc); ASCII-binaries except for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2: ckd190.uue - DG AOS/VS ckiker.boo - Amiga cklker.h68 - VOS 680x0 cklker.h86 - VOS i860 ckm190.hqx - Macintosh cksker.boo - Atari ST cksncp.boo - Atari ST (small version) kermit/bin - FTP all files in binary mode (except READ.ME): True binaries for UNIX, VMS, etc. See the READ.ME for details. kermit/vmshex - FTP in text mode: VMS C-Kermit binaries in hex format, together with the decoding program, ckvdeh.mar. See the READ.ME file for details. kermit/archives - FTP in binary mode unless otherwise indicated: cku190.tar.Z - Compressed tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. cku190.tar.gz - Gzip'd tar of C-Kermit source code & other files. ckvsrc.hex - (TEXT mode) VMS C-Kermit source BACKUP saveset. cko190.zip - OS/2 C-Kermit distribution diskette image. See kermit/f/ckc190.ann for a detailed list of changes in 5A(190). See kermit/f/cko190.ann for new features of the OS/2 version. For overviews of specific versions, see: kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp - General C-Kermit overview kermit/f/ckdaaa.hlp - AOS/VS kermit/f/ckiaaa.hlp - Amiga kermit/f/cklaaa.hlp - Stratus VOS kermit/f/ckoaaa.hlp - OS/2 kermit/f/ckuaaa.hlp - UNIX kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp - VMS The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for further info. A German-language edition is also available. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 04:16:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:16:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help With Transfer Rate Message-Id: <1994Nov12.101642.32608@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 10:16:42 MDT References: <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a1q67$53m@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > > Is it just me or am I missing something plainly obvious? Here's what's > going on: > > I have MS-Kermit (v3.13) on a 386 over an ethernet connection. On the > host side, I'm running C-Kermit (5A(189)) on a Sun 4. With the > following settings I get a average CPS of about 8500 (or at least > that's what the status bar on MSK says). > > MS-Kermit C-Kermit > set flow none set flow none > set windows 3 set windows 3 > set send pack 5000 set send pack 5000 > set rec pack 5000 set rec pack 5000 > set file display none > set file names literal -------- Something is not what it should be Jerry. 8.5K cps over Telnet is far below what I see under similar circumstances. Between MSK and C Kermit on a DEC Alpha I get around 85K cps, MSK to CK on a 386-33 Unix machine I get around 28K cps. 486-66 DX/2 machine for the MSK part. Suggestions are to upgrade the C Kermit side to 5A (190) where significant speed improvments have occurred, and to have a careful look at your Ethernet system to see if packets are being dropped. Note that MSK has a 4KB TCP buffer so Kermit packets smaller than this are a more natural fit (only a minor effect). I use 2KB packets and 4 window slots. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 12 14:04:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06793 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:40:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Message-Id: <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Nov 94 20:04:25 MDT References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31616 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1080 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > We are trying to run kermit.exe (v3.12) on PCTCP (v. 2.3) tnglass > via Int 14. > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) > We have to manually press ^] and then type c to come out. > Is there any method to automate this exit to DOS function at logout > of the unix host ? --------------- The interface provided by tnglass is the standard Bios Int 14h for serial ports, and that lacks the notion of session status. Hence Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 03:33:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:57:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit vs MS-Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov13.093331.32652@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 09:33:31 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ARCHIMEDES L TRAJANO) writes: > In article <1994Nov9.195221.32422@cc.usu.edu>, > Joe Doupnik wrote: >> I don't understand your last sentence. I can say that we won't >>trade lots of program space (memory) for seldom used features. But then >>we don't have any idea of what's important to you. > One of the things I liked with the CKermit source codes is that someone > can compile them with or without the extra nifty features that it has to > offer. In effect we can get a smaller binary by removing all the > unneeded features. The MSKermit distribution contains two other versions > that are "not complete" but I prefer to have the ability to just make my > own decisions as to what should be included or not. > > -- > Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ > cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University > (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science > _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada ------------ We publlish the source code so you then have all the items at your disposal for tailoring. Be aware that the patch file works only on the executables issued from Columbia. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:44:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07915 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:44:16 MDT References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number > 2) keep redialing if busy > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. > 5) enter the line "slip default" > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use > NCSA's telnet > > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip > connection. > > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you > Carlos > --------- Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through hoops with ours to help you run theirs. May I make two serious suggestions? 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your own scripts. 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 06:49:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19707 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:05:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!ivie From: ivie@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Pseudo-VMS C-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Nov13.124903.32662@cc.usu.edu> Date: 13 Nov 94 12:49:03 MDT References: <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov11.184506.77436@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > I'm trying to set up a new OS (TSX-Lite) on my 486. It will run > DOS executables, but so far I have been unsuccessful in getting MS-Kermit > to see the com port (TSX controlls the hardware.) Hmm. I haven't had any trouble with MS-Kermit under TSX-Lite. However, I am using an antique version MS-Kermit: 3.11. (Hi, Joe!) > Will one of the VMS > versions of C-Kermit work with this OS? If so, which one, and how > difficult will it be to set up? I don't think you'll have much luck with the VMS version of C-Kermit. Although the OSes are conceptually similar, they are also quite different. Your best bet for now would be to try to figure out why MS-Kermit won't work on your system. I can ship you a copy of the 3.11 executable that I have been using under TSX-Lite. I suppose I could also download the newer version so that more people are working on the problem... -- ----------------+------------------------------------------------------ Roger Ivie | Don't think of it as a 'new' computer, think of it as ivie@cc.usu.edu | 'obsolete-ready' From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:19:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:19:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:19:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin wrote: >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet This is the third time in a month that I have seen someone ask: "How can I use Kermit so that I can use NCSA's telnet?" Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? Much appreciated. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 23:30:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:34:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 13 Nov 1994 17:30:48 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: mercury.mcs.com Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1085 alt.winsock:21638 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 01:49:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16016 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:00:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!bast!kzinti.Lynx.COM!seibert From: seibert@kzinti.Lynx.COM (Greg Seibert) Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup References: Sender: news@lynx.com (Usenet) Organization: Lynx Real-Time Systems Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <1994Nov14.014915.111@lynx.com> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:996 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1086 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Chermesh Ran wrote: > >Hi, > Well, as you may guess, I managed to find the DOS version of Lynx. >I expected to find a program capable of supplying text retrieval from ANY >DOS machine, but instead, discovered that it requires an Ethernet card or its >substitutes. > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > > Ran > >-- >Ran Chermesh E - M A I L >Behavioral Sciences Dept. =========== >Ben-Gurion University Internet: CHERMESH@BGUVM.BGU.AC.IL >Beer-Sheva 84105 CHERMESH@BGUMAIL.BGU.AC.IL >Israel Bitnet : CHERMESH@BGUVM.BITNET >Phone: 972-7-472-057 Fax: 972-7-232-766 > >URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN And he's not even on AOL !!! -- --Greg (seibert@lynx.com) "In Real-Time You Never Get a Second Chance" From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:37:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11721 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05537 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:08:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.charm.net!news.charm.net!cnordin From: cnordin@charm.net (Craig Nordin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,umbc.unix Subject: Re: S...l...o...w C-Kermit File Transfers. What's wrong? Date: 13 Nov 1994 23:37:17 -0500 Organization: Charm.Net : Baltimore Local Internet Access, Hon Lines: 30 Message-Id: References: <3a17oe$b1k@umbc8.umbc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sowebo.charm.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Heres my .kermrc file, this should make C-Kermit happy. You'll do even better if you tune your local kermit accordingly. With a little tuning you can get almost the same throughput as zmodem. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- set local off set flow rts set buffer 50000 50000 set win 0 set send pac 4096 set rec pac 4096 set window 3 set block 1 set file type bi define rz !rz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sz !sz \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sb !sb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rb !rb \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define sx !sx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) define rx !rx \%1 \%2 \%3 <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See the Emerald on the Matrix? Baltimore, Maryland Access to the Internet That's Charm.Net Hon! E-Mail: info@charm.net Voice:(410) 558.3900 http://www.charm.net/ "guest" login, no password Data:(410) 558.3300 From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 14 04:05:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12065 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06087 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:14:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!usenet.ee.pdx.edu!not-for-mail From: rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Date: 13 Nov 1994 20:05:42 -0800 Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: cruella.ee.pdx.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.4.19 #2 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:998 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1088 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. Roland Kwee From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 16:58:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08642 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:26:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!prairienet.org!somebody From: somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts Date: 14 Nov 1994 16:58:41 GMT Organization: Prairienet, the East-Central Illinois Free-Net Lines: 54 Message-Id: <3a8501$k3b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <1994Nov13.124416.32660@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: firefly.prairienet.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Joe Doupnik (jrd@cc.usu.edu) wrote: : In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, somebody@prairienet.org (Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin) writes: : > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and : > it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am : > search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt : > 1) startup kermit and dial a phone number : > 2) keep redialing if busy : > 3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. : > 4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. : > 5) enter the line "slip default" : > 6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use : > NCSA's telnet : > : > Ok second thing I am looking for is some some .ini files for a slip : > connection. : > : > I am would appreciate and help what so ever thank you : > Carlos : > : --------- : Hmmm. Maybe we should tell you to complain to NCSA about the : lack of scripting etc in their product rather than us jumping through : hoops with ours to help you run theirs. Not really many hopes but the in general I didn't seem to find much insight on using kermit for slip. Yes I did see the article with the docs. I wanted to complain I would do so. BTW this wasn't a complaint if your ego is too fragile to handle it sorry. But it was a request for information. : May I make two serious suggestions? : 1. Read the user's manual. It's there to help you generate your : own scripts. I have read the manual and have gotten a small feel for kermit scripting but I would not consider myself a pro at this and I am sure there many people out there who are very good at this.Ergo instead of trying a hack at it myself I figure I wouldn't post a to a news groups that would know better. If you don't proclaim to know better keep you comments to yourself!: 2. Use MS-DOS Kermit for Telnet. It's better, amongst other things. : Joe D. To this all I can say is I use what works. First I want to get a something working that works and I know. The tinker with something new. I am sure you would agree it's better to have a old car in working order than a new Cadillac (or what have you) sitting in the garage requiring you to figure the firing order for it. Regardless I do plan to evidentually move to ms-dos kermit. "It's better, amongst other things." Lacks any evidence or support if you care to support you claims please do so. I am eager to hear about it's better benefits afterall being new to Kermit some insight you be beneficial. LAST OF ALL. What the point of this news group if not to answer the questions and queries of the less knowledgable. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 00:03:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27752 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12383 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:04:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 Ready Date: 15 Nov 1994 00:03:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3a8ttc$c1u@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-12 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of about 5pm EST, 14 November 1994. kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-11 include: - Additional RTS/CTS and SET CARRIER ON fixes and enforcement. Heavy testing needed (more of it...) - Kanji terminal emulation completed. Use MS-DOS Kermit on regular IBM PCs with EGA or VGA or higher and DOS/V to read Kanji (fj.*) newsgroups, access the Nikkei Telecom database, use other host-based Kanji applications like e-mail, etc. Transfer Kanji text files between PC and host without garbling the characters (Shift-JIS to JIS conversion), etc. Many thanks to Hirofumi Fujii for this work. - Cyrillic font fixed; "e" is no longer displayed as "c" (thanks to Yossi Gil at the Technion for getting this fixed so promptly). Russian keyboard drivers (thanks to Dimitri Vulis) and documentation added. If you have an 8-bit-clean host-based newsreader, simply type "cyrillic" at the MS-Kermit> prompt, and then browse the relcom.* newsgroups (assumes postings are in KOI8, but Kermit can also handle ISO 8859-5 and Short KOI). See CYRILLIC\READ.ME for details. - Compose u-circumflex fixed (required reading in Canada :-) - SET KEY capacity increased to 269 key definitions, 256 string definitions, and 2000 bytes of string space. - WPGGOLD.COM added, an alternative to GOLD.COM, allowing Num Lock to be used as a regular key with its own unique scan code (\325). VT300.INI updated to account for this scan code. Thanks to Novell's new WordPerfect Division for this contribution. - EMACS.INI added: key mappings for EMACS users, primarily allowing the Alt key to be used as the EMACS Meta key. Thanks, as ever, to Joe Doupnik for his skillful work and for integrating the work of the others acknowledged above. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 20:07:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29471 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14850 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!yeshua.marcam.com!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!psgrain!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:33:39 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 25 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1091 alt.winsock:21725 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes: >Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. Well, I've thought about this one, and I'd have to say that the blunt answer is no. I am working on some things like this--you'd have to go the route of running Winsock over a packet driver & then using a shim like pktmux to split off virtual packet drivers. I suppose you could run slp16550 or etherppp packet drivers outside of Windows. Otherwise you'd have to write an implementation of SLIP or PPP that communicates with some kind of TSR stub in the System VM that makes it look like the packets from the dial-up connection are comming out of a packet driver. In short, this is pretty yecchy. Soren From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 13 21:59:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:56:27 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: re msdos kermit 3.14 ... References: <39qhs2$k1j@bingnet1.cc.binghamton.edu> <1994Nov9.193440.32420@cc.usu.edu> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 10 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:59:43 +0000 Message-Id: <784763983snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > Don't touch them! MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 is in beta testing; it is >not release level material yet. Please wait for the formal announcement >then follow instructions in that message. Any idea how far away this will be? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 05:23:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14242 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02239 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:01:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.os.lynx,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: FAQ: Lynx and Dialup Message-Id: <1994Nov14.112347.32738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 11:23:47 MDT References: <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.lynx:1001 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1093 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a6nmm$k5k@cruella.ee.pdx.edu>, rkwee@ee.pdx.edu (Roland Kwee) writes: > chermesh@techunix.technion.ac.il (Chermesh Ran) writes: > >> I wonder, is it possible to use Lynx through dialup communication? >>Is it possible to add it, for example, to kermit? > > I expect that lynx needs TCP/IP, not necessarily ethernet. Therefore, > on a dialup link, you should use SLIP or PPP after you log in with Kermit. > Once the SLIP or PPP link is established, lynx will work. > > Roland Kwee ------------ Greg Seibert @ lynx.com points out that the "lynx" above refers to a WWW browser. That's hardly the business Kermit programs are in. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 14 15:44:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:40:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: The Mac version of Kermit has less features than other OS versions. Message-Id: <1994Nov14.214428.32803@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Nov 94 21:44:28 MDT References: <3935bt$111o@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov14.075525.33863@miavx1>, kacovert@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu (Kent Covert) writes: > In article <1994Nov11.183525.77435@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: >> Note that I've never seen kermit use more than one window, though. > > Actually, I think that the Mac version of Kermit reports this incorrectly. > I've never seen the Mac version report anything higher than 1 also. But, > if you issue the STATUS command on the server after a transfer, you'll > usually find that the server reports using more than 1. > ----------- You are both right, but maybe not for the reasons you think. With Columbia Kermits the receiver shows how many packets have been recognized as packets and are being processed. If packets arrive in order with none missing then one at a time is processed as bytes are read from the comms channel; we see one window slot in use. Other bytes may still be in the comms channel (includes receiver's port buffer) but not yet parsed as a packet. If a packet is damaged or really missing then the out of order packets are recognized and stashed away while the receiver still tries to find the desired (but missing) packet. Then the number of window slots in use grows. Kermit uses "selective repeat" sliding windows so only the missing packet(s) needs to be retransmitted. The status command should show the number of window slots available, rather than just the number used. But I have no Mac to see what's what on it. MS-DOS Kermit shows the "active out of available" number on the formatted file transfer display. The transmitter is given permission to send all window slots worth of packets. It does so, but between each it takes a very quick peek at the comms channel to see if enough bytes have arrived to constitute a possible acknowledgment. If there are enough then it is read and processed on the fly. Thus the transmitter may show many (two or more) window slots in use even under ideal conditions as it waits for ACKs from the other side. Quiz Friday. Homework: what might a receiver say about a missing packet? Hint: as little as possible, but... Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 12:25:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14666 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:45:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Terminal Emulation Date: 15 Nov 1994 12:25:25 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help me with creating them. Thanks. Brian Degregorio degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 21:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06126 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:22:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 15 Nov 94 21:24:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 9 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu Cc: kermit@columbia.edu (Kermit Distribution) X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. The redirectors I use are: FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 NCSA NET14.EXE Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 10:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:43:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: Mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Michael Bernardi) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!demon!childsoc.demon.co.uk!Mike Subject: Re: Kermit Scripts References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Organization: The Children's Society Reply-To: Michael Bernardi X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.29 Lines: 23 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:24:00 +0000 Message-Id: <784895040snz@childsoc.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> somebody@prairienet.org "Carlos Ramirez Pnet Admin" writes: > I just started using Kermit and I like the performance of and >it's flexibility of it. Currently I am using to dialup via slip and I am >search of a sample script that will the following things from a DOS prompt >1) startup kermit and dial a phone number >2) keep redialing if busy The DIAL command already does this >3) once connected enter a username that I will provide. >4) then open a passwd prompt give a passwd that I will provide. >5) enter the line "slip default" I've altered the DIAL so that the last field is NOT a comment but the name of the SCRIPT file which is run AFTER the DIAL has finished. >6) completely exit kermit and return me to a dos prompt so I can use >NCSA's telnet Since you are using MS-Kermit to dial up WHY do you need to use a different telnet program? MS-Kermit has a very good one already! Mike -- Michael Bernardi mike@childsoc.demon.co.uk (Internet) | Making lives The Children's Society, Edward Rudolf House, Margery Street, | worth living London, WC1X 0JL, UK Voice: +44 171 837 4299 Charity Reg. No. 221124 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 19:50:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17426 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13993 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:39:28 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on tnglass logout problem Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:50:50 GMT Message-Id: References: <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk> <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> Lines: 30 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc:31638 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1098 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <1994Nov12.200425.32637@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article <39q4ba$j50@ctsc.hkbc.hk>, s11976@ctsc.hkbc.hk (PM Wong) writes: > > Now when we logout of the unix host, it will not come back to the > > DOS prompt straight-away (though we have put the keyword EXIT or > > PUSH at the end of the called kermit's .ini script) (..) > Kermit does not know the Telnet session has ended. If you use Kermit's > own TCP/IP stack then it knows all about session status; the same is > true with FTP's utilities which are built to work with their stack. > The simple keypress to exit Kermit connect mode is ALT-x, which > is easier to type than ESC ] c (though both work). Putting connect quit in your ini-file, makes Alt-X behave like 'end session & quit'. If you always use the same command to log out from your host, say 'exit' you also can try a sequence like: connect output exit\13 quit very handy for 'canned' sessions. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 11:49:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:09:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:08:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!convex!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:49:48 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill (ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- built a working Kermit with no problems. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 03:39:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01922 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05954 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:31:48 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!ncoast!dchou From: dchou@ncoast.org (David Chou) Subject: Kermit 3.14 beta 10 hangs Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 03:39:26 GMT Message-Id: Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am experiencing periodic hangs with the latest version of MS-Kermit with garbage. I have seen this on two processors which have little in common except that both have 16550 serial UARTS. One board is a 386/33 AMI Mark II based system; the second is a 90MHz Pentium AMI board. Both have had the problem when junk is received. The problem is cleared throug the alt-= reset function in Kermit. Dave Chou From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 08:27:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19381 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:08:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!osi-east2.es.net!cronkite.nersc.gov!dancer.ca.sandia.gov!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Terminal Emulation Message-Id: <1994Nov15.142720.32864@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 14:27:19 MDT References: <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aa9bl$1bva@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu>, degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) writes: > Does any one know where I can find .ini files to setup MSKermit for > IBM3164 and FOX terminal emulations. If they don't exist can any one help > me with creating them. Thanks. > > Brian Degregorio > degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu ------------ Terminal emulation doesn't work via .ini files, as you probably know. There is no support for either of the terminals above, unless they happen to emulate one of the text terminals already present in MS-DOS Kermit: VT320/220/102/100/52, Heath-19, Data General D470/D463, Wyse-50, Honeywell VIP7809, Prime PT200. Adding a new terminal type is generally a fairly serious undertaking, not to mention a memory consumer. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 06:48:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06589 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21963 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:33:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usc!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!caen!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 06:48:16 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: Missing make file Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing from the cku190.tar.gz archive. Sorry for the posting but mail to Frank da Cruz is bouncing. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 21:56:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08236 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:58:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 16 Nov 1994 21:56:20 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3adv64$k37@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> References: <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> <3adsv3$j7o@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) writes: >>In article <3ac9vg$r39@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au>, Ralphe Neill >>(ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au) wrote: >>>Re "C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189)" in >>>comp.protocols.kermit.announce - the makefile appears to be missing >>>from the cku190.tar.gz archive. >> Huh??? I just grabbed that file a few days ago, and everything was >> in it, including the makefile. Everything seemed to be fine-- >> built a working Kermit with no problems. I have re-FTP'd it and the archive is, indeed, complete. Don't ask me what went wrong with the first copy because I have no idea! Apologies if I have misled anybody ... From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 15 16:54:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:06:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Message-Id: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Nov 94 22:54:37 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > I have been using Int 14h redirection with MS-Kermit successfully > up to and including 3.14/Beta-11. However, Beta-12 doesn't connect. > The redirectors I use are: > FTP Software TNGLASS.EXE v2.3 > NCSA NET14.EXE > > Thank you, > Daniel Lewart > d-lewart@uiuc.edu --------------- Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:43:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02364 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 06:47:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-12 breaks Int 14h redirection Date: 16 Nov 94 22:43:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 31 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov15.225437.32927@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Are you really sure? I ask that because it's worked fine before > and I just ran a check with the latest FTP stack and it's TNGLASS, using > MSK beta-12, and it worked perfectly. Yes. My redirectors are FTP 2.3 TNGLASS and NCSA 2.3.08 NET14. MS-Kermit 3.13 and 3.14/Beta-N, where N <= 11, work with both of them. 3.14/Beta-12 connects, but the screen stays blank with both of them. > Recall that with these Int 14h guys Kermit does not TCP/IP work > at all. The underlying TCP/IP stack connects and such. Be sure that the > active port selection for Kermit is BIOS1 and that you do NOT have > SET CARRIER ON (make sure it's OFF). I have kermit.exe (3.14/Beta-12), mskermit.ini (below is a stripped- down version), and msvibm.exe (3.13) all in the current directory. My commands with the FTP stack are as follows: tnglass myhost -e msvibm tnglass myhost -e kermit The first works; the second fails. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- set port bios1 ; Int 14H redirection if not < version 314 set carrier off ; Default anyway connect ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 08:41:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19260 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:06:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit Script for Creatix Modem Date: 17 Nov 1994 08:41:03 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3af4uv$1ck@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anybody made a script for the Creatix modem (Version SG144, maybe an earlier version might work as well)? This modem seems to be quite popular in Germany. -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 22:53:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20834 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:12:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: SET PARITY command-line completion Date: 16 Nov 94 22:53:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 16 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-12, but this command-line completion bug has been around for a while. The following add extra stuff on the end: set parity e set parity m set parity n set parity o set parity s For example, "set parity n" gives: set parity none (8-bit data) _ This should be: set parity none_ where the underscore is the cursor. Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:42:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18004 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:50:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Backspace Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:42:10 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3af8hi$1r0@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3abv77$1cr1@saturn.caps.maine.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu mtdesert@saturn.caps.maine.edu (MDIHS) writes: >Now how do I get backspace key on my DOS machine to actually backpace >instead of printing ^D. I'm on PC, MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12, VT320 >emulation. I've never been able to get backspace to work with previous >Kermits either, though I'm sure it's a very simple thing to do... >It gets old ^Uing all of my command line mistakes. >Thanks for any help. >-mdi The MSKERMIT.INI normally re-defines the backspace key (_bs) as \127, not as \4 = ^D as in your case. You can easily experiment with key definitions by entering "sh key" and "set key" from the MS-Kermit prompt. Maybe there are good reasons for your ^D configuration of the backspace key. If your remote computer runs UNIX, you can simply enter stty erase KEYSTROKE with KEYSTROKE meaning, press your backspace key, and whatever its key definition, it will then work correctly at the command line (without changing the key's function in application programs). -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 09:12:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18059 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23186 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:53:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!jussieu.fr!univ-lyon1.fr!swidir.switch.ch!scsing.switch.ch!news.dfn.de!news.belwue.de!News.Uni-Marburg.DE!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 09:12:18 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >Much appreciated. I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice with NCSA telnet. The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: * Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. * ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC with Kermit (right?) There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of multiple files on different computers. Further comments? Regards, Peter -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 00:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25045 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02650 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Message-Id: <1994Nov17.065416.33073@cc.usu.edu> Date: 17 Nov 94 06:54:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) writes: > Hi, > I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the > kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, > I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a > MSTIBM.EXE file. > My qestions: > 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? > 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE ------------ First, I strongly suggest you go back to MSK v3.13 until v3.14 is released. The current beta period is for shaking out bugs, where changes still occur, and the final bundle of distribution files is still fluid. MSK 3.14 has not yet reached release (but will very soon). Second, the filename you reference is what Windows wants to run when the icon is clicked. Choose a filename that's appropriate. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 15:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26751 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04066 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:14:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: NCSA telnet vs Kermit (Was: Kermit Scripts) Date: 17 Nov 1994 15:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 46 Message-Id: <3afrvi$3ur@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a5m7l$a4j@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> <3a66uq$k9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3af6pi$1iq@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > > >>Question: Could someone please explain to me what it is that NCSA Telnet >>provides that MS-DOS Kermit and/or C-Kermit do not provide? >I'm interested in that question, too, since I'm going to change from >serial-to-terminal-server to full TCP/IP connection shortly. At the >moment I have nearly no practice with Kermit's telnet but some practice >with NCSA telnet. > >The advantages of NCSA telnet I am aware of, are: > >* Copy/Paste function implemented; in Kermit I need Windows to do that. Understood. This functionality is available in C-Kermit for OS/2 but not MS-DOS Kermit. >* ftp: This does not necessitate to start a server program at the remote > computer (if that is a PC it just needs to be in a NCSA telnet > session with ftp allowed). One cannot do anonymous ftp from the PC > with Kermit (right?) Well, of course a server is required. You just don't have to start it. But if the server daemon (ftpd) is not running you won't be able to perform any file transfers at all. But of course you can't perform an anonymous ftp with Kermit. Most tcp/ip stacks come with an ftp program though. However, for remote transfers from the PC, Kermit can always be placed in Server mode. >There are *many* advantages of Kermit, of course, like superb terminal >emulations, automatic character-translations, etc. And, compared to ftp, >Kermit filetransfer has also advantages I specifically appreciate: It >can transfer the time stamps, and with "file collision update" (new for >MS-Kermit in Version 3.14) I can easily update backup copies of >multiple files on different computers. Correct. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:38:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: Kermit 3.14, DOSLYNX and dialup Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:38:50 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, Is it possible to run doslynx through kermit from a dialup connection? Appreciate a reply. Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 07:37:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:35:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!wang!news From: chermesh@bgumail.bgu.ac.il (Ran Chermesh) Subject: MSTIBM.EXE and KERMIT.PIF Organization: Technion, Israel Institute of Technology Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:37:16 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@wang.com Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I tried to run kermit ver. 3.14 thru my win3.1 menu using the kermit.pif from the last release. Well, I failed. When I opened the pif, I saw that it was labelled as a ver. 3.13 pif and that it called a MSTIBM.EXE file. My qestions: 1. Was there a change in pif specification between ver. 3.13 and ver. 3.14? 2. What is this MSTIBM.EXE? Should I replace it with KERMIT.EXE Ran ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ () Ran Chermesh Behavioral Sciences Dept. Ben-Gurion University () ()==) Beer-Sheva Israel (==() () URL: gopher://gopher.bgu.ac.il:70/00/Ben/res/hum/beh/CHERMESH%2c%20RAN () From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 20:07:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03718 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16946 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 05:50:53 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:07:19 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu After checking $status after several C-Kermit sessions I realized that the exit status ends up in ckermit_status. I'm running 5A(190) BETA.17 for OpenVMS AXP (and also a similar version on a VAX). Is this the standard symbol for the result? I couldn't find reference to ckermit_status in the Using C-Kermit book anywhere. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 17 13:03:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13393 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:20:25 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: help w\ kermit send binary Message-Id: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:03:48 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted too quick for me to see the error message. email or post would be appreciated. Joe From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 08:16:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:35:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!spool.mu.edu!darwin.sura.net!mother.usf.edu!soleil!oconnor From: Frank O'Connor Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:16:29 -0500 Organization: University of South Florida Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: soleil.acomp.usf.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: oconnor@soleil In-Reply-To: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1116 alt.winsock:22133 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm looking for the same thing... But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I can find it? Thanks! On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd > like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that > looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the > winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver > below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the > same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. > > Les Mikesell > les@mcs.com > > From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:13:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:13:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:13:52 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1118 alt.winsock:22152 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through WinSock. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 19:10:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:23:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:10:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: help w\ kermit send binary Date: 18 Nov 1994 19:10:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aiu75$p9c@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.130348.1694@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >Can anyone give me a clue about sending a *.zip file from unix host to pc? >I type kermit, at prompt send filename, shell to dos prompt and startup >kermit on pc. Binary 7 bit transfer is set in .kermrc and verified by >show command. Host uses 7 bit protocol so I'm forced to use kermit (if itwas > 8 bit I'd have my choice of software). > >anyway receive works fine (from pc to host), but send gets aborted >too quick for me to see the error message. > What software are you using on the PC side of the connection? If you are not using MS-DOS Kermit, I would suggest that you do. Many other software packages that claim Kermit protocol support are very selective about which parts of the protocol definition they implement. We need more info to help. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 01:12:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:28:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!news.service.uci.edu!ttinews!mosspc.TTI.COM!moss From: moss@tti.com (Les Moss) Subject: Re: source for Zmodem specs? Message-Id: Lines: 17 Sender: usenet@ttinews.tti.com (Usenet Admin) Nntp-Posting-Host: mosspc.tti.com Organization: TTI X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] References: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 01:12:51 GMT Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1119 comp.protocols.misc:3839 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article ennisj@aplcenmp.apl.jhu.edu (Jay Ennis) writes: >Does anyone know where I might find a specification for Zmodem? Is it even >written down? I don't believe there is one (Nothing like the Kermit Protocol Manual, for example). Most people implement it by porting the public domain code by Forsberg available on many FTP sites. You will find some written stuff by Forsberg at those same sites, but it is not complete, you still need to read the code. Thats all I found for my implementation (written from scratch for non-C environment). Tim Kientzle (kientzle@netcom.com) is currently writing a book which should be a complete ZModem spec. Hopefully, that will be available soon. (I reviewed an early version of his spec and it sure would have helped me if I had had it in the beginning of my implementation.) From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 07:18:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04778 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:39:04 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!olivea!news.hal.COM!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news.ucalgary.ca!lkadams From: lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca (Larson Keith Adams) Subject: Help with flow rate Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 07:18:53 GMT Organization: The University of Calgary, Alberta, Canada X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much in the way of settings). If any Kermit wizards out there could mail me and help me speed this thing up, I would be grateful. Keith lkadams@engg.ucalgary.ca ps...our system administrator is no help at all From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 04:14:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 06:53:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.101417.33213@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 10:14:17 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1121 alt.winsock:22228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Frank O'Connor writes: > I'm looking for the same thing... > But right now I'd dettle for the NDIS/PktDrvr shim. Do you know where I > can find it? > Thanks! > > On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. I know you can do this if you have an NDIS driver >> below the winsock layer, but I'd like something that would work the >> same way over the dial-up versions of winsock. >> >> Les Mikesell >> les@mcs.com ------------ The shim comes from me, Les. Dis_pkt9.zip in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, and this will also be in the MSK 3.14 distribution. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 03:19:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26117 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16062 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:00:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!garym From: garym@cc.usu.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit user's manual or FAQ??? Message-Id: <1994Nov18.091931.33200@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 09:19:31 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know where I could get a user's manual or possibly a FAQ for Kermit? -- Gary S. Mortensen GARYM@CC.USU.EDU "You can't achieve the impossible without attempting the absurd." - Unknown "If you know what you're doing, you're not learning anything." - Unknown From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:20:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17387 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:30:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!qmw!vaxb.mdx.ac.uk!ANDREW27 From: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Date: 19 Nov 1994 12:20:54 GMT Organization: Middlesex University, London, England Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Reply-To: andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxb.mdx.ac.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Can anyone help? I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary problems would be greatly appreciatted. Any replies or E-Mail on this subject gratefully recieved. Thanks, Andrew From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 18:02:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26899 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:26:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 18 Nov 1994 10:02:48 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3aiq88$bdc@pacifier.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: > >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > Since your terminal is set to 7N1, I assume that you do not have a full 8-bit path to your host. I would surmise that neither of your Kermits knows this. Have you tried doing a SET PARITY SPACE on both ends before doing the binary transfers? This has the effect of telling the Kermits that the high-bit cannot be used for data and that "8th-bit-quoting" must be used. Hence, you'll get 8-bit data thru your 7-bit data path. Good luck! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... "Innovation is hard to schedule." -- Dan Fylstra From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 05:02:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11285 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:34:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov18.110238.33219@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 11:02:38 MDT References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) writes: > I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through > a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly > is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even > after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to > 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on > port 2. Can someone help? > > Thank You. --------- There was a bug in MSK 3.14 beta prior to 12, a side effect of adding the "whatami" feature. The resulting transmission mode ended up being text no matter what. May I suggest to testers that when you do find a bug please try the current beta to see if it's been fixed. Items underway for the next beta: Certain operations with string substitution were confused when \fname appears and the name isn't one of the \fxxx() functions. Fixed. Still questions on RTS/CTS, to be investigated this weekend. Set Parity blah shows extra "(8 data bits)" tag. Yes, I may change that. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 23:26:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11596 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02034 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:40:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!sgiblab!rahul.net!a2i!dold.a2i!dold From: Clarence Dold Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Date: 18 Nov 1994 23:26:56 GMT Organization: a2i network Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: foxtrot.rahul.net Nntp-Posting-User: dold X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for : further info. A German-language edition is also available. But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) Here I sit, AmEx in hand... Perhaps you meant to say: Tel. +1 212 854-3703 Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 17:01:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:28:11 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:01:10 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi- Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most likely have I once again put my foot in it? Bill From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 18 12:10:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:29 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25417 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:14:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit 5A(190) Replaces 5A(189) Message-Id: <1994Nov18.181009.33272@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Nov 94 18:10:09 MDT References: <3a5q0j$1em@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajd80$2qv@hustle.rahul.net>, Clarence Dold writes: > Frank da Cruz (fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: > > : The user manual, "Using C-Kermit", is recommended for everybody who wants > : to make serious use of C-Kermit and to get the most out of it; remember > : that manual sales are the primary source of support for the Kermit effort. > : Call +1 212-3703 to order, or send email to kermit@columbia.edu for > : further info. A German-language edition is also available. > > But I can't dial that phone number from my location ;-) > Here I sit, AmEx in hand... > > Perhaps you meant to say: > Tel. +1 212 854-3703 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^------ correct. > Oh, bummer, VISA or MasterCard only. Rats. We can't win sometimes. Joe D. > -- > --- > Clarence A Dold - dold@rahul.net > - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 05:26:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:22:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.112618.33306@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 11:26:18 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) writes: > Hi- > > Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid > for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger > than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, > insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > > Is this some cruel hoax or just another example of the complete lack of > respect granted to users of the much maligned UNIXPC. Or did some > overworked programmer overlook the need to change the banner. Or, most > likely have I once again put my foot in it? ------------ C Kermit builds to file "wermit" so you can rename it to a convenient spelling later (without losing your older Kermit). "ls -l" tells all. This C Kermit works ok on my Unix PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 19 01:52:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16272 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:09:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit return status Message-Id: <1994Nov18.205223.7538@eisner> Date: 18 Nov 94 20:52:23 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 5 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I think CKERMIT_STATUS contains the values listed on page 324 in table I-1. scott burns@burns.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 23:48:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29324 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-kermit -ix and binary transfers (not working) Date: 19 Nov 1994 23:48:11 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 33 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3am2rr$ete@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: deneb.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am having some trouble sending binary files from the UNIX machine at school to my OS/2 system at home. Here is what happens: 1. If I type kermit -ix, escape back to my OS/2 Ckermit, and then type 'get file.zip', my OS/2 C-kermit starts receiving the file but announces that the FILE TYPE is "TEXT (no translation)". Huh? 2. If I start kermit with no command line options, type 'set file type binary' at the C-kermit prompt, type 'send file.zip', escape back to the OS/2 C-kermit and then type 'receive' my OS/2 C-kermit recieves the file and tells me the FILE TYPE is BINARY. Why does 2 work while 1 does not? Shouldn't the '-ix' force all file transfers to be binary? I used to have NO trouble (before I installed the current version of the Unix C-kermit). The Unix C-kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, while the OS/2 kermit is C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit Numeric: 501190 Thanks, Adam H. Leweneberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 10:24:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29408 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: <1994Nov19.162440.33322@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 16:24:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) writes: > Hello, > > I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. > > Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. > (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) > > My problem is: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 > Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... > > Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 > Unable to contact the host > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > remark: I test > c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. > c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. > > Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? > > > Thanks in advance, > > Gilles Ratel > Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca ------------- I'll guess you still have Pathworks running over TCP/IP when you used Kermit. One may have only one protocol stack of a given kind running over a board at one time. Try again without the Pathworks TCP/IP stack going, or run Kermit over the top of Pathworks. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 16:18:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:55:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!ratel From: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca (Gilles Ratel 8720) Subject: MS-Kermit: Unable to ARP resolve ... (Pathworks v5.0) Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: ratel@ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca Organization: Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec, Varennes, Canada Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:18:59 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I hope use MS-Kermit [3.14 beta-12 14 nov 1994] with telnet. Actually, I use Pathworks v5.0 and load TCPIP via file STARNET.BAT. (DIS_PKT9 is included into file template CFG*.TPL) My problem is: ---------------------------------------------------------------- MS-Kermit> telnet 131.195.1.28 Resolving address of host 131.195.1.28 ... Unable to ARP resolve 131.195.1.28 Unable to contact the host The host may be down or a gateway may be needed ----------------------------------------------------------------- remark: I test c:\> arp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ping 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> ftp 131.195.1.28 o.k. c:\> SETHOST ... o.k. Do you have hint for my ARP problem with MS-Kermit ? Thanks in advance, Gilles Ratel Email: ratel@toka.ireq-ccfm.hydro.qc.ca From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 19:12:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02068 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28222 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:16:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!insosf1.infonet.net!fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us!mbguest From: mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us (Matthew B. Guest) Subject: Re: Help with flow rate X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Organization: The box in my house Message-Id: References: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:12:25 GMT Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Larson Keith Adams (lkadams@acs.ucalgary.ca) wrote: : I'm having real problems. Transferring via a 14400, I cannot get : above 300cps. Is the problem at the host (packet length set at : 1000) or on my home system (WinComm Pro...doesn't seem to be much : in the way of settings). You may have problems in both . The immediate problem is your WinComm Pro . It is using 64 bit packes and 1 at a time . I would suggest getting MS-Kermit . If WinComm Pro supports external protocols , follow the instructions on how to do that . Otherwise use MS-Kermit as the term program also. -- Matt - Linux Help via e-mail mbguest@fastbox.ridgecrest.ca.us mbguest@worf.infonet.net mbguest@delphi.com mbguest@scfe.chinalake.navy.mil From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 12:27:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:37:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: DEC VAX to home terminal problem Message-Id: <1994Nov19.182744.33330@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 18:27:44 MDT References: <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3akqj6$r8h@beta.qmw.ac.uk>, andrew27@vaxb.mdx.ac.uk writes: > Can anyone help? > > I am trying to download a file from a DEC VAX using KERMIT-32 > to my home Macintosh using the Kermit protocol supplied with > my Comms software, VICOM Connect. I can't seem to get the two > to connect. The direction of a FAQ for this and other elementary > problems would be greatly appreciatted. --------- Common maladies: Wrong parity, so the sides don't match (they must match) Insufficient flow control Specifying the wrong kind (Binary, Text) of file mode Please inform your VAX administrator that everyone would be much better off if Kermit-32 were deleted and C Kermit 5A were installed. See kermit.columbia.edu, cd kermit/bin for ckv*.exe, and cd kermit/b for all text files. I have no Macs, nor have I heard of "VICOM Connect." Joe D. e NO trouble (before I installed > the current version of the Unix C-kermit). > > The Unix C-kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for Solaris 2.x > Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, > > while the OS/2 kermit is > > C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.23, 18 Sep 94, for OS/2 2.11 32-bit > Numeric: 501190 ----------- I believe the release notes for C Kermit explain that the client now controls file TYPE via the SET FILE TYPE command given on the client. It's part of file attributes, named the "whatami" component, where the client informs the server of its binary/text state. It's a step forward, really. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 02:12:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25470 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29295 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:42:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU!minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU!s923796 From: s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: kermit icon Date: 19 Nov 1994 02:12:08 GMT Organization: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology, Melbourne, Australia. Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au Summary: Seeking a kermit icon for the Windows desktop Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest versions of Kermit have this already? Dave. -- David A. Sexton s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.edu.au n From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 14:15:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:09:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: > Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. > Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest > versions of Kermit have this already? > Dave. --------- Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe you want to create your own. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 07:00:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04131 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:01:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 12:00:13 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1139 alt.winsock:22420 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu says... >A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >WinSock. Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. Any takers. Brian. P.S. I was looking into this for Network DOOM. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------ /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 04:58:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:25:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!newshost.marcam.com!usc!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 10:58:34 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1140 alt.winsock:22429 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net>, bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) writes: > > > In article <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu > says... > >>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>WinSock. > > Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP > functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. > You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection > code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows > WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application > would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may > require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I > have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. ------- Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor realistic. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10333 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:47:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!darkstar.UCSC.EDU!news.hal.COM!decwrl!waikato!comp.vuw.ac.nz!zephyr.grace.cri.nz!PeterW!p.waltenberg From: p.waltenberg@irl.cri.nz (Peter Waltenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Industrial Research Ltd Lines: 21 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 161.65.60.3 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1141 alt.winsock:22440 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu ------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. PeterW From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 20:37:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12233 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11871 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:37:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: 20 Nov 1994 20:37:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1142 alt.winsock:22443 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Peter Waltenberg wrote: >------- >> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>realistic. >> Joe D. > >Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. > >I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. > But this doesn't address the original need. The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection made with Windows for Workgroups. In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the real packet driver for the mux to sit on. In the setup you describe there is no need to interface a virtual packet driver with the WinSock API because the DOS session can talk with the real packet driver. In any case, the desired functionality is not available nor is it worth creating. The only thing that makes sense is a telnet redirector. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 16 09:43:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15294 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:01:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!piaget.moe.ac.sg!raffles.technet.sg!nuscc.nus.sg!teosongh From: teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 16 Nov 1994 09:43:06 GMT Organization: DISCS at NUS Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: teosongh@sununx.iscs.nus.sg X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? -- SoNghEnG tHe 25 MiNuTeS lAtE... FoR tHe LaTtEr To CoMe... -=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-< Email : teosongh@iscs.nus.sg or isc30171@nus.sg >-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 22:06:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15628 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:11:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!csulb.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!olivea!decwrl!nntp.crl.com!crl5.crl.com!not-for-mail From: nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 20 Nov 1994 14:06:03 -0800 Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access (415) 705-6060 [Login: guest] Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl5.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when you get right down to it. Any help appreciated. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:25:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Message-Id: <1994Nov20.161625.33380@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:16:25 MDT References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, teosongh@iscs.nus.sg (25 minutes late...) writes: > > Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? ---------- MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program, and it runs fine in an OS/2 DOS box using communications facilities available to DOS programs. It works with OS/2 to relinquish cpu time slices when nothing much is happening and to economize on screen updating overhead. C Kermit for OS/2 is an OS/2 program which uses communications facilities available to OS/2 programs. MSK 3.13 is the current formal release, with 3.14 being in the last stages of beta testing. CK v5A(190) is the current C Kermit release. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 10:40:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19191 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 16:40:15 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 735 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com>, nmiller@crl.com (Norman Miller) writes: > Has anyone successfully installed Hebrew Kermit? I can get Hebrew > characters on screen but only left-to-right. The documentation I got was > not very helpful. It doesn't explain, for instance, the connection between > Kermit and HED (a nice little editor). It doesn't explain _anything_ when > you get right down to it. ------------ We need to understand precisely what you mean by "Hebrew Kermit." MS-DOS Kermit is the vehicle delivering Kermit for Hebrew users of DOS machines, and it works well that way. The user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit", discusses ways of using MSK with Hebrew hosts. The only Kermit command which is specialized for this purpose is SET TERMINAL DIRECTION (LEFT-TO-RIGHT, RIGHT-TO-LEFT); the rest is built upon regular Kermit features. You did not mention which version of Kermit you are using, which would have been helpful. May I suggest you look at the preliminary documentation for the beta MSK 3.14, file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test on kermit.columbia.edu. See the Hebrew subdirectory after you unpack the file. Btw, "beta" means things change before release. I'm afraid that we can't help with HED since that's outside of Kermit. Perhaps the attachment below has enough information to help. For quick general reference I'm going to bloat News with file Hebrew.doc from the archive. Hopefully it will help others get started too. Joe D. -------------- USING MS-DOS KERMIT TO DISPLAY, ENTER, AND TRANSFER HEBREW TEXT Frank da Cruz Academic Information Systems Columbia University E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu April-October, 1994 Beginning with version 3.13 (July 1993), MS-DOS Kermit includes full support for Hebrew text, including Hebrew terminal emulation for mixing Hebrew and Roman characters when using host-based Hebrew software, and translation of Hebrew character sets during file transfer. Earlier MS-DOS Kermit releases do not include Hebrew features. This document assumes some familiarity with DOS and with MS-DOS Kermit. References are listed at the end. This document explains how to use MS-DOS Kermit in Hebrew mode for interacting with other computers. It does not address questions of Hebrew text processing within the PC environment itself. WARNING: As of this writing, I have not been able to find a way to make the techniques described in this document work in a Microsoft Windows window. Even though Kermit itself works perfectly in a window, Windows does not allow the Hebrew font to be loaded. Reportedly, Windows 3.1 ML (Multi-Lingual) supports Hebrew, but perhaps not in a way that can be used by Kermit. Thus, to use Kermit's Hebrew features, you must run Kermit in DOS, or in a Windows fullscreen session, but not in a window. BACKGROUND: HEBREW CHARACTER SETS There are several coded character sets that contain the Hebrew alphabet. Each of these sets uses a different encoding, and therefore they are all mutually incompatible. To interchange Hebrew text between two computers that use different encodings, conversions must be done. Kermit software makes these conversions for you. The character sets are: ASCII - The American National Standard Code for Information Interchange. This is a 7-bit character set, incorporating 128 characters, of which 95 are "graphic" (printable) characters, and 17 are control characters such as carriage return, linefeed, etc. It contains no Hebrew, but it is the basis for all the other character sets discussed here, unless noted otherwise. It includes uppercase and lowercase Roman letters A-Z, digits 0-9, space, and various punctuation marks. ISO 8859-8 - The Latin/Hebrew Alphabet. The international standard character set for Hebrew, adopted by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO), of which Israel is a member body. It is an 8-bit character set, incorporating 256 characters, of which 137 are graphic characters, 65 are control characters, and 22 are undefined. It includes ASCII, some additional punctuation, math, and currency symbols, plus the 22 Hebrew letters and 5 final forms. IBM PC Code Page 862. Similar to Latin/Hebrew, but including many additional characters (line and box drawing, accented Roman letters, etc), and using different encoding. Used only on PCs. IBM Mainframe Code Page 424. An 8-bit mainframe code, totally incompatible with ASCII and everything else, which contains approximately the same repertoire as Latin/Hebrew. DEC Hebrew (or "Hebrew-7"). A 7-bit character set, equivalent to ASCII, but with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters. Used to trick 7-bit applications and communication methods into handling Hebrew characters. ADDING HEBREW FEATURES TO KERMIT To use MS-DOS Kermit's Hebrew terminal emulation features, you must first load a Hebrew code page into your PC. "Code page" is IBM's term for "font" or "character set". An EGA, VGA, or compatible video system that permits text fonts to be loaded is required. The Kermit diskette contains a public-domain Hebrew code page (and several others) and public-domain utilities for loading and displaying code pages, compiled and/or created by Professor Joseph (Yossi) Gil at the Technion, plus additional material created at Columbia University: the Hebrew setups and key mappings for Kermit, various character set tables, documentation, etc. Here is a brief synopsis of the files in the Kermit HEBREW directory: HEBREW.DOC - This file HEBREW.INI - Hebrew initialization file for Kermit HEBREW.HLP - Documentation for HEBREW.INI CP862.TBL - IBM PC Hebrew code page table ISO88598.TBL - ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet table HEBREW-7.TBL - Hebrew-7 table And these are in the Kermit PCFONTS directory: LOADFONT.COM - Program for changing PC code page (font) LOADFONT.HLP - Help text for LOADFONT CHARSET.COM - Program to display current code page (font) CP437.F16 - USA code page CP850.F16 - Multinational (i.e. Western Europe) code page CP852.F16 - Eastern Europe code page CP862.F16 - Hebrew code page CP866.F16 - Cyrillic code page The CPxxx.F16 files are to be used with LOADFONT. For example, to load the Hebrew code page, type the following command at the DOS prompt: C:\> cd c:\kermit\pcfonts ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ C:\> loadfont cp862.f16 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The CP862.TBL file will look right when you have CP862 loaded (for example, when you TYPE it, EDIT it, etc). The other .TBL files are there for reference and practice. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES After you start Kermit, type the command: HEBREW at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt. "HEBREW" is a macro, defined in MSKERMIT.INI, that executes the HEBREW.INI file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. HEBREW.INI sets everything up for you automatically. If you always want to have the Hebrew features available when you use Kermit, use a text editor to add the HEBREW command to your MSCUSTOM.INI file, and then you won't have to type this command at all. The HEBREW.INI file: 1. Activates ISO 8859-8 / CP862 character-set translations. 2. Adds commands to let you change code pages easily. 3. Loads the Hebrew code page. 4. Defines the key maps for Hebrew and English keyboard modes. 5. Sets up commands and hot keys for switching keyboard modes. 6. Sets up hot keys for switching screen-writing direction. The initial keyboard mode is English. The Hebrew font remains loaded after you exit from Kermit, unless you load another font yourself. After Kermit has executed the HEBREW.INI command file, the following new commands are available at at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt: HKEYS Enter Hebrew keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. EKEYS Enter English keyboard mode upon next CONNECT command. HFONT Load the Hebrew font (done automatically when you TAKE HEBREW.INI) EFONT Load the US font (CP437) MFONT Load the Multinational (West European) font (CP850) And the following function keys are available during terminal emulation (CONNECT mode): F5 "Hot key" to enter Hebrew keyboard mode immediately. F6 Hot key to enter English keyboard mode immediately. F7 Equivalent to DEC VT terminal's F7 key (for use with JTSA catalog). F9 Select right-to-left screen writing. F10 Select left-to-right screen writing. USING MS-DOS KERMIT FOR HEBREW TERMINAL EMULATION The HEBREW.INI file sets Kermit up for an 8-bit connection to hosts and applications that use the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew character set. This is the the international standard Hebrew character set, and the one used by most host-based applications, such as the ALEPH Hebrew library software. But it is not the same as the PC Hebrew code page, so Kermit must translate between the two. There are at least two other possibilities, which you must consider if you access a Hebrew application through Kermit, but the characters look wrong: . On 7-bit connections, "Hebrew-7" -- a 7-bit character set in which the lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters -- is generally used. Hebrew-7 codes are different from Latin/Hebrew and also from CP862. Hebrew-7 is commonly used in e-mail, in which it is difficult or impossible to transmit 8-bit text. To use Hebrew-7: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-7 SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 7 . It is possible that some Israeli BBSs use Code Page 862. In this case, tell Kermit not to translate. SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 . For completeness, here are the commands to use ISO Latin/Hebrew: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET HEBREW-ISO SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 Before accessing the host or service, you must also choose the appropriate type of terminal emulation, one of the following (use the highest model that works): SET TERMINAL TYPE VT320 (this is the default) SET TERMINAL TYPE VT220 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT102 SET TERMINAL TYPE VT100 From this point, Hebrew-aware software on the remote host or service should be able to produce correctly formatted screens containing any mixture of English and Hebrew. ENTERING HEBREW CHARACTERS ON THE KEYBOARD MS-DOS Kermit acts like a Hebrew-model DEC VT terminal. Like your PC, the VT terminal has the normal number of keys; it does not have extra keys for Hebrew. Thus, some keys are "shared" between Roman and Hebrew characters. To send Hebrew letters the keyboard must be in "Hebrew mode", and to send lowercase Roman letters, the keyboard must be in "English mode". The HEBREW.INI file supplies you with commands and hot keys to switch modes: Command Hot-Key Enter Hebrew mode: HKEYS F5 Enter English mode: EKEYS F6 Use the commands (HKEYS, EKEYS) when at the "MS-Kermit>" prompt; use the hot keys (F5, F6) during terminal emulation. MS-DOS Kermit also allows the host application to change your keyboard mode automatically by sending escape sequences (the JTSA catalog application does this); see the Appendix at the end of this file. When Hebrew key mappings are in effect and you press any key to which a Hebrew code is assigned during terminal emulation, Kermit automatically translates the PC Hebrew code into the appropriate code (HEBREW-ISO or HEBREW-7 or TRANSPARENT) for the remote application, according to your TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET setting. In other words, you do NOT need different key mappings for different host Hebrew character sets. HEBREW FILE TRANSFER Hebrew text-file transfer is supported only by MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit (UNIX, VMS, OS/2, Stratus VOS, etc), and IBM Mainframe Kermit (VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS). When transferring Hebrew text files between MS-DOS Kermit and a remote computer or service, use the following commands to ensure that the Hebrew characters are translated correctly: On the PC: On the remote computer: SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET FILE CHARACTER-SET xxx SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW xxx is the name of the Hebrew character-set on the remote host, such as HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7, or (only on IBM Mainframes) CP424. Then send and receive text files in the normal way. PRINTING All files created on your PC's disk by Kermit will record Hebrew letters in the IBM PC Hebrew code page, CP862 (provided you have set up the appropriate translation). If you have a printer that is capable of printing this character set, then all the normal printing facilities of DOS and of Kermit should work as expected: . The DOS PRINT command. . The Print Screen key in DOS or Kermit. . etc etc. NOTE: If you have an IBM printer that is capable of code-page switching, then the Hebrew fonts supplied on the Hebrew disk will probably not print correctly. In this case, you will need the real IBM Code Page 862, prepared and loaded according to the instructions on pages 126-129 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". (Sorry, I do not know how to get it -- try IBM Israel :-) If you do NOT have a printer with a Hebrew font built in, then you must use higher-level software to do the printing. Reportedly, for example, it is possible to import a plain-text CP862 file (such as Kermit would create when you save a screen) into Hebrew WordPerfect and then print it from there. ACCESSING THE ALEPH LIBRARY CATALOG APPLICATION The ALEPH system, in use throughout Israel and also at the Jewish Theological Seminary of America, is designed for use by DEC VT terminals, such as those emulated by MS-DOS Kermit, and it uses the 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew alphabet. The HEBREW.INI file sets everything up for you. If your PC is on a TCP/IP network and your MSCUSTOM.INI (MS-DOS Kermit customization file) is correctly set up for TCP/IP, you can telnet directly from your PC to an ALEPH host, e.g.: MS-Kermit> telnet aleph.huji.ac.il ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If your PC is not on the network, you can dial up with a modem. No matter which way you came in, you should now see the host banner and login prompt, e.g.: ********************************************************************** * The Jewish Theological Seminary of America * * VAX/VMS v.5-4 * ********************************************************************** Username: ALEPH ^^^^^ Respond to the "Username:" prompt by typing the word "aleph" and then press the Enter key. You won't need a password. Now you will see the following greeting and menu: Welcome to VAX/VMS version V5.4 on node THEO Last interactive login on Tuesday, 8-FEB-1994 18:38 Last non-interactive login on Sunday, 4-JUL-1993 18:44 Terminal selection Standard (non soft font) terminals: 3. VT102 (Latin only, unless accessed using Israeli ALEPH KERMIT) 11. VT220 protocol (VT220,VT320,VT340,VT420,V603, etc. Latin only, unless terminal has Hebrew chip installed) Full Latin and SOFT FONT (Hebrew, Arabic, Cyrillic) standard terminals: 17. VT320 18. VT420 English/Hebrew and SOFT FONT (Arabic, Cyrillic) Israeli Hebrew chip terminals: 27. VT320 28. VT420 Select from menu : 11 ^^ Choose 11 (VT220) from the terminal-type menu. That's all there is to it. Now you should see an English menu on your screen with Hebrew writing near the top. Here's a quick demo: 1. In the menu screen, type "?/HEB" (uppercase, without the quotes) and then press the Enter key to switch to Hebrew display mode. The menu should change to all Hebrew, and your keyboard should switch automatically into Hebrew mode. 2. Now type "?/ENG" to switch back to English. Beware: Since the keyboard is in Hebrew mode while you are typing this, the slash character (/) is now mapped to lowercase "q", so to enter "?/ENG", you must type "?qENG". Notice how these characters echo when you type them. Now you should see a help screen whose left side is English and whose right side is Hebrew. 3. Now type "ENG" or "HEB" to select English or Hebrew screens. The host application automatically switches your keyboard to the appropriate mode. If you select Hebrew, the Hebrew key mappings go into effect automatically; if you select English, the English mappings are made automatically. 4. In an English screen, search for (say) authors named Singer by typing: AU/Singer In a Hebrew screen type the Hebrew author-search command, Mem-Chet-slash (njq) and the author's name in Hebrew, for example "zhbdr" (= Zade Yod Nun Gimel Resh = Zinger): njqzhbdr 5. To capture a screen, hold down the Ctrl key and press the End key on the numeric keypad. This copies text on the screen to a file on your disk called KERMIT.SCN. If you do this more than once, it will keep adding new screens to the end of the KERMIT.SCN file, separating each one by a Formfeed. To get back to the main menu at any time, press the PC's F7 key. To leave ALEPH, type the word "STOP" (without the quotes) and then press the Enter key. Some Hebrew library catalogs that use the ALEPH software are: Central ALEPH Computer Telnet RAM2.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Bar-Ilan University Telnet ALEPH.BIU.AC.IL or 132.70.9.36 Ben-Gurion University Telnet BGULIB.BGU.AC.IL Haifa University Telnet LIB.HAIFA.AC.IL or 132.74.1.100 Hebrew University Telnet ALEPH.HUJI.AC.IL or 128.139.4.207 Jewish Theological Seminary Telnet JTSA.EDU Technion Telnet LIB.TECHNION.AC.IL or 132.68.1.20 Tel Aviv University Telnet TAUVAX.TAU.AC.IL or 132.66.32.6 Weizmann Institute of Science Telnet WISLIB.WEIZMANN.AC.IL or 132.76.64.14 In all cases, the username to use is ALEPH and no password is required, and in all cases you should choose "11" from the terminal-type menu. Also, please note that references to Hebrew-University Kermit are obsolete, as are the instructions for using it. All the work done at Hebrew University was incorporated into MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, and upgraded to a much higher level of functionality. Please ignore the instructions about special MSKERMIT.INI files, VT102 emulation, Terminal Type 3, etc. USING KERMIT'S HEBREW FEATURES IN NON-HEBREW APPLICATIONS You can use Kermit's Hebrew features to create or view plain-text documents on a CUNIX or other host computer written in Hebrew (or Yiddish?) (or Ladino?) if you keep the following points in mind: . Hebrew characters are restricted to the basic set of 22 letters and 5 final forms. . Hebrew characters are stored and transmitted left to right, even though they should be displayed right to left. . You can't mix Roman and Hebrew text in a plain-text file unless you are willing to type the Hebrew letters in reverse order (or vice-versa, depending on how the text is to be displayed). That's because non-Hebrew-aware software is not equipped to handle bidirectional text. If you are using Kermit to create or read Hebrew text on a computer that does not have Hebrew-aware software, you can tell Kermit to reverse its screen-writing direction to force characters to be written right-to-left: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION RIGHT-TO-LEFT And, of course, you can also undo this effect: SET TERMINAL DIRECTION LEFT-TO-RIGHT The HEBREW.INI file assigns these functions to F9 and F10, respectively, so you can conveniently switch direction during terminal emulation. If your connection to the host application is "8-bit clean", AND the application itself is also 8-bit clean, you can use the ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew Alphabet, which contains full upper and lowercase Roman, plus Hebrew, plus a variety of symbols. Unfortunately, very few host applications are 8-bit clean (except on VMS -- such as the JTSA Library System). EXAMPLE: Creating a Hebrew text file with the VMS EVE (EDIT/TPU) editor: 1. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to TAKE HEBREW.INI 2. Log in to the VAX. 3. EDIT/TPU . 4. Push F5 to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 5. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 6. Create/edit the file in the normal way. All the English will be displayed backwards, but the Hebrew will look right. IN THE 7-BIT ENVIRONMENT, you'll have to use the Hebrew-7 character set, in which lowercase Roman letters are replaced by Hebrew letters; thus only uppercase Roman letters are available. For example, to send a Hebrew e-mail message with (English) Pine: 1. Access and log in to CUNIX (don't put Kermit into Hebrew mode yet). 2. Start Pine and select COMPOSE MESSAGE. 3. Fill out the To: and Subject: fields of the message using Roman letters. 4. Move to the message body using the down-arrow or Enter key. 5. Press the F5 key to enter Hebrew keyboard mode. 6. Use Alt-x to return to the MS-Kermit> prompt and enter the following commands: take hebrew.ini set terminal character-set hebrew-7 set terminal bytesize 7 connect Remember: you can abbreviate Kermit commands and keywords (but not filenames) to their minimum unique length. So the above commands could also be entered as: ta hebrew.ini set ter ch hebrew-7 set ter by 7 c 7. Push F9 to select right-to-left screen writing. 8. Type Ctrl-L (hold down Ctrl and press the L key) to refresh the screen. 9. Enter Hebrew text into the message body, referring to the keyboard map. If you must type numbers, enter the digits in reverse order. If you must type English text, enter the letters in UPPER CASE and in reverse order. 10. To send the message, type Ctrl-X (hold down Ctrl, press X). 11. To return to English mode, press F6 and F10, then Ctrl-L to refresh the screen. 12. Enter Q to quit from Pine. The person who receives your message must, of course, also be set up for the Hebrew-7 character set and right-to-left display. Remember that when the keyboard is in Hebrew mode, all Roman letters must be entered in UPPER CASE. This includes (of course) Pine commands. OTHER HOST-BASED HEBREW APPLICATIONS There is a version of the text editor EMACS, developed in Japan, called MULE (MUltiLingual EMACS), which is capable of handling Hebrew (as well as almost any other script in the world), fully accomodating mixed Hebrew and Roman (or other) scripts, and (reportedly) handling bidirectionality correctly. It works best with X terminals, but might also work in Hebrew mode with PCs running Kermit. There is a Hebrew version of the UNIX VI text editor, called vi.iv, from the Technion. There is reportedly a Hebrew version of the Pine e-mail software. EPILOG Because Hebrew text is intrinsically bidirectional (since, for example, numbers are written left-to-right, and Roman or other types of left-to-right text are often mixed in), no "plain-text" standard for Hebrew has ever emerged. Hebrew text can only be handled on a "higher" level, e.g. by applications such as the JTSA catalog, Hebrew WordPerfect, and so on. Unfortunately, but not surprisingly, these higher-level applications are incompatible with each other, using different character sets and different methods for indicating and controlling directionality, not to mention other rendering and representation issues (Macintosh vs PC, font selection and style, boldface, italic, etc etc). Thus, widespread system- and application- independent interchange of Hebrew text has never been achieved. Informants in Israel tell me, for example, that Hebrew simply is not used in e-mail; everybody gets by with English. The situation with Arabic is similar, but not identical. The situation with other non-Roman alphabetic scripts, such as Cyrillic and Greek, is far better. These scripts can be handled very easily by a simple font change, and mixtures of Cyrillic and Roman or Greek and Roman letters in a plain text file poses no problems at all. Similar comments apply to other left-to-right alphabetic scripts such as Armenian, Georgian, etc. In the future, there will be a universal coded character set, ISO 10646, capable of representing all of the world's scripts in a single coding system, including both modern and ancient scripts. Presently, ISO 10646 includes only the basic Hebrew repertoire of 22 letters plus 5 final forms. An extension to this standard, proposed by the Israel Institute for Standards, will add vowel points, cantillation marks, and possibly also unique Hebrew forms of punctuation as well as Yiddish digraphs. ISO 10646 (and its precursor, Unicode, which is in most part a compatible subset of ISO 10646) will allow text to contain any mixture of scripts. But massive changes in software, data, as well as in display, printing, and data entry devices will be required, so only time will tell if ISO 10646 will achieve widespread use. APPENDIX I - EDITING FILES ON THE PC Your AUTOEXEC.BAT and CONFIG.SYS are "plain text" files. The same is true of all Kermit command and initialization files. You can modify such files using the DOS EDLIN or EDIT programs. EDLIN and EDIT are documented in your DOS manual. The recommended method for editing these files is to use the DOS EDIT program. Let's suppose you want to modify your AUTOEXEC.BAT file. First, make a backup copy in case something goes wrong: cd c:\ copy autoexec.bat autoexec.bak And then start the editor: edit autoexec.bat This brings up a screen showing the file. You can move through the file with the arrow keys until you find the line you want to change, in our case the line that starts with "PATH=". Use the End key to position the cursor at the end of the "PATH=" line, then type the text you want to add, such as ";C:\KERMIT". To save the file, press Alt-f (hold down Alt, press f) to activate the File menu. Then use the down-arrow key to highlight the Save item, and then press the Enter key. To exit from EDIT, press Alt-f again, use the arrow key to highlight Exit, and press Enter. If you are using a word processing program to create or modify a DOS or Kermit command file, do not include any special effects (bold, underline, italics), and be sure to save the file in text mode. The method for doing this depends on the word processor. In Microsoft Word 5.0, for example, press the Esc key to get to the menu, press T to choose Transfer, press S to choose Save, type the filename, use the arrow keys to get to the "format" line, choose Text-Only, press Enter to save the file, and then leave the program by pressing the Esc key and then Q. In WordPerfect 5.1, use Ctrl-F5 (hold down the Ctrl key and press the F5 key) to save the file, press T to select DOS Text, 1 to Save, type the filename and press Enter, and quit from WordPerfect by pressing the F7 key. APPENDIX II - THE HEBREW KEY MAP (Note: Names of Hebrew letters are from the ISO 8859-8 Standard.) Hebrew Order Roman Order QWERTY Keyboard Order q = Slash , = Taw q = Slash w = Apostrophe . = Terminal Zade w = Apostrophe ' = Comma ' = Comma e = Qoph / = Period / = Period r = Resh t = Aleph ; = Terminal Pe t = Aleph c = Bet a = Shin y = Tet d = Gimel b = Nun u = Waw s = Dalet c = Bet i = Terminal Nun v = He d = Gimel o = Terminal Mem u = Waw e = Qoph p = Pe z = Zain f = Kaph a = Shin j = Chet g = Ayin s = Dalet y = Tet h = Yod d = Gimel h = Yod i = Terminal Nun f = Kaph l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet g = Ayin f = Kaph k = Lamed h = Yod k = Lamed l = Terminal Kaph j = Chet o = Terminal Mem m = Zade k = Lamed n = Mem n = Mem l = Terminal Kaph i = Terminal Nun o = Terminal Mem ; = Terminal Pe b = Nun p = Pe ' = Comma x = Samech q = Slash z = Zain g = Ayin r = Resh x = Samech ; = Terminal Pe s = Dalet c = Bet p = Pe t = Aleph v = He . = Terminal Zade u = Waw b = Nun m = Zade v = He n = Mem e = Qoph w = Apostrophe m = Zade r = Resh x = Samech , = Taw a = Shin y = Tet . = Terminal Zade , = Taw z = Zain / = Period If you have a PostScript printer, you can get a picture of the key map by printing the KEYMAP.PS file from the KERMIT\HEBREW directory. APPENDIX III - Technical Summary Hebrew terminal emulation and file transfer (version 3.13). Commands: SET TRANSFER CHARACTER-SET HEBREW SET FILE CHARACTER-SET CP862 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET { HEBREW-ISO, HEBREW-7 } SET TERMINAL DIRECTION { RIGHT-TO-LEFT, LEFT-TO-RIGHT } SET TERMINAL CODE-PAGE CP862 Terminal direction is controlled in two different ways: (1) by host- generated escape sequences (automatic, see below) and (2) by the SET TERMINAL DIRECTION command. When the writing direction is changed by escape sequences from the host, the cursor-positioning coordinate system is not changed. For example, if Kermit was in left-to-right mode and the host send ESC [ ? 34 h, position (1,1) would still be in the upper left. This is how a real Hebrew-model VT terminal works. If, however, you command Kermit into RIGHT-TO-LEFT mode, the coordinate system flips right to left so the origin (1,1) is at the upper right corner, which is useful for viewing and composing some right to left text. The host can override the user setting, and the user can later override the host setting. Hebrew character sets: . CP862 is the PC Hebrew code page, available from IBM as EGAHE.COM, or perhaps as a hardware code page on Hebrew-model PCs. Distributed on the the Kermit diskette in a public-domain form as CP862.F16, to be used with the (also public-domain) LOADFONT program. . HEBREW-ISO is the 8-bit standard ISO 8859-8 Latin/Hebrew alphabet. . HEBREW-7 is the 7-bit Hebrew "National Replacement Character Set" (NRC), ASCII with the lowercase Roman letters replaced by Hebrew letters, often used in e-mail. MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 supports: . Automatic selection of writing direction by host escape sequence. . ISO 2022-compliant terminal character-set designation and invocation. . Hebrew keyboard mode. Hebrew-specific escape sequences recognized by the VT220 and 320 terminal emulators: ESC ) H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G1 ESC * H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G2 ESC + H Designates right half of Latin/Hebrew to G3 ESC ( % = Designates 7-bit Hebrew NRC to G0-G3 ESC ) " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G1 ESC * " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G2 ESC + " 4 Designates DEC supplement Hebrew letters to G3 DCS 0 ! u " 4 ST Assigns DEC supplement Hebrew as UPSS DCS 0 ! u H ST Assigns Latin/Hebrew as UPSS CSI ? 34 h Sets right-to-left screen-writing mode CSI ? 34 l Sets left-to-right screen-writing mode CSI ? 35 h Sets Hebrew keyboard mapping via Kermit macros CSI ? 35 l Sets Roman (North American) keyboard mapping, ditto CSI ? 36 h Hebrew encoding mode is 7-bit Hebrew-7 "National mode" CSI ? 36 l Hebrew encoding mode is 8-bit ISO Latin/Hebrew Hebrew keyboard mapping: . CSI ? 35 h invokes the macro KEYBOARDS, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Hebrew characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. . CSI ? 35 l invokes the macro KEYBOARDR, which you must define to set up your keyboard for entering Roman (North American) characters. If this macro is not defined, nothing happens. NOTE: do not define KEYBOARDS without also defining KEYBOARDR to undo its effects! The various reports furnished by MS-DOS Kermit also include Hebrew-specific information, and the following host-initiated operations work in both left- to-right and right-to-left mode: Insert/Replace Mode, Autowrap, Backspace, Carriage Return, Linefeed, Formfeed, Vertical Tab, Horizontal Tab. The keyboard mapping sequences invoke the user-defined macros KEYBOARDS (h) and KEYBOARDR (l). Users should define these macros to accomplish the desired keyboard mappings with SET KEY commands. Sample mappings (those used with Hebrew WordPerfect, etc) are supplied in the HEBREW.INI file. In VT100 and VT102 mode, the following functions are supported: ESC ) 1 Enter Hebrew mode ESC ) B Exit Hebrew mode FURTHER READING 1. Your MS-DOS manual, the sections on code pages. For example, Microsoft MS-DOS Operating System Version 5.0 User's Guide and Reference (1992), Chapter 13 and the Appendix, "Keyboard Layouts and Code Pages". 2. Gianone, Christine M., "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Digital Press (1992), Chapter 13, "International Character Sets". Also, for TCP/IP setup, Chapter 16, "Kermit on Local Area Networks". 3. The files KERMIT.UPD and HEBREW\HEBREW.HLP on the MS-DOS 3.13 diskette. 4. The Hebrew character-set tables in the HEBREW directory, and the PC font material in the PCFONTS directory. 5. The Unicode Standard, Worldwide Character Encoding, Version 1.0, Volume 1, The Unicode Consortium. Addison-Wesley (1991). (End of HEBREW.DOC) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:44:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21450 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:44:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Can Kermit run on OS2 Warp? Date: 21 Nov 1994 00:44:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Message-Id: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ack7a$d73@nuscc.nus.sg>, 25 minutes late... wrote: > >Just wondering if kermit can run on Warp or just only in DOS? > There are two versions of Kermit from Columbia U. that work with OS/2 WARP. First there is C-Kermit 5A(190) for OS/2. C-Kermit is certified by IBM as "Ready for OS/2" and "Ready for LAN Systems" C-Kermit provides vt220, vt102, vt52, and ANSI BBS terminal emulations over either serial or network connections (TCP/IP [WARP IAK], NETBIOS, NAMED PIPES, DEC LAT). Full scripting (Kermit and REXX) > 1 million line scrollback buffer Mouse cursor positioning and PM clipboard copy/paste File tranfer supporting OS/2 Extended Attributes OS/2 Long file names supported on FAT file systems and much more. ---- If you must use a VT320 or Tektronics emulation you can still use MS-DOS Kermit in a DOS Window or Full screen session. I would recommend using Ray Gwinn's Serail Fossil Drivers if you are going to use MS-DOS Kermit. MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate network card to that session. If you need more info, post again. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:52:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02989 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:01:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:52:50 GMT Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello: I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit script which prompts the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy of "the book" to arrive. Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) Thank you very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Homdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email preferred, but followups OK too) From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 17:52:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07192 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:40:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!relay.tor.hookup.net!newsadm From: bangus@hookup.net (Brian F. Angus) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 22:52:33 est Organization: hookup.net Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3ap5jm$km8@relay.tor.hookup.net> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hook <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: bangus.tor.hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.0 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1149 alt.winsock:22495 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu says... > > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. > Joe D. Many interesting projects arise from rather pointless objectives, and in this case, I believe we have the perfect example of a truly pointless objective. But, to continue this one step further (yes I know this isn't really attempting to solve the original problem), instead of trying to tie into the Winsock API, would it be feasible or even possible tie a DOS packet driver into the Windows based NDIS3 drivers (I believe MicroSoft's PPP driver is only supplied as an NDIS3 Windows based driver). It seems to me there would still be the problem of multiplexing multiple IP stacks (very undesireable). Brian A. P.S. Just trying to promote some more interesting and irrelevant discussion. -- _---_ ------------------------------------------------------------------- /o o\ Brian Angus Unsupported hack supporter - DEC ( | ) bangus@trooa.enet.dec.com \_=_/ bangus@hookup.net The one with the most shims wins ------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 20 12:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17913 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 05:49:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Question about ASK usage in MS-Kermit script Message-Id: <1994Nov20.184340.33391@cc.usu.edu> Date: 20 Nov 94 18:43:40 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hello: > > I have a question about ASK. I am writing an MS-Kermit > script which prompts > the user to enter a filename, so I "ASK" for it. No problem > there. But I would like to be able to detect if the user merely > hits the ENTER key without typing anything else in first. > > There is probably an obvious answer. I have looked all over & > experimented with no success. I am a new user of Kermit, hence I > am working from .HLP, .UPD, and .BWR while waiting for my copy > of "the book" to arrive. > > Can someone please help? (Examples appreciated) ----------- ask \%a prompt> prompt> if equ "\%a" "" echo The user did not provide text or if defined \%a echo The user did provide text and so on. Don't use {\%a} {} because they will parse out to empty, leaving if equ echo The ... which is not what is wanted. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:39:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18786 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13920 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:39:07 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 14 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start slip going... Thanks for any help! Please if you can respond via email (micah@u.washington.edu) Micah From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 06:46:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18791 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13931 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!saul1.u.washington.edu!micah From: Micah Anderson Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:46:39 -0800 Organization: University of Washington Lines: 12 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: saul1.u.washington.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from experienced folks? Thanks! Micah From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 19 22:03:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18967 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:58:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Keywords: SCO 3.2V4.2, MS-Kermit 3.13, Telnet, Interrupt, Data Mark Summary: SCO Unix sends Data Mark on interrupt. MSK 3.13 P13 displays as r. X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 18 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 22:03:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated by sending the stty interrupt character. This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:28:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19969 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16140 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:28:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!quagga.ru.ac.za!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:26:45 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 24 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3aiudg$pil@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1154 alt.winsock:22527 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>>A packet driver on top of winsock makes no sense since winsock is not >>>protocol independent. The best you could possibly hope for would be a >>>Telnet redirector for Windows DOS Sessions which communicates through >>>WinSock. >> >> Actually, it could probably be done by filtering out the non TCP/IP >> functionality, but it would be a very complicated bit of engineering. >> You would likely have to write some nasty DOS interrupt redirection >> code which would allow the DOS program to communicate directly to a native Windows >> WINSOCK application via the packet driver interrupt. The WINSOCK application >> would act as a type of pass-through tunnel for the DOS application. This may >> require the use of a custom VXD, I'm not sure. I briefly looked into this but I >> have decided that my skill sets are not quite at a level required for this task. >------- > Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >realistic. ...but is similar to what is done inside TIA, if I am not mistaken. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 08:33:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20243 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:33:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!ticsa.com!soren.aztec.co.za!soren From: soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:31:44 Organization: Linkdata Lines: 39 Message-Id: References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov20.105834.33349@cc.usu.edu> <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: soren.aztec.co.za X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1155 alt.winsock:22528 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>realistic. >>> Joe D. >> >>Actually acheiving the required functionality is pretty trivial, just run the >>winsock on top of a packet multiplexor on top of a packet driver instead. >>Using packet mux on top of the packet driver you can get packet drivers for >>DOS boxes plus a packet driver for Trumpet winsock. Pktmux can be found on >>biochemistry.cwru.edu. (and quite a few other sites). >>The system has to be configured at the bottom (DOS) level to use packet >>drivers, but thats possible with nearly all configurations. >> >>I'll admit that going from Winsock to packet driver is nightmarish, but >>actually acheiving whats wanted , which is KA9Q in a DOS box with Winsock >>running isn't. Thats basically how my system is configured now. >> >But this doesn't address the original need. >The original requirement was being able to run MS-DOS Kermit over a >WinSock interface when WinSock is active over a serial line connection >made with Windows for Workgroups. >In this circumstance, you don't have the packet multiplexor nor the >real packet driver for the mux to sit on. And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 00:46:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18713 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:04:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 06:46:42 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson writes: > > I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have > a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set > flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I > am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters > dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from > experienced folks? --------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 15:27:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27760 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:48:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 15:27:54 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3aqe9q$pfl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ycl6@columbia.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.064642.33428@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: | SET FLOW RTS/CTS in Kermit. | Joe D. Also be sure to lower the DTE rate appropriately if you're running a relatively slow computer. On my Tandy XT clone, I can't run my Intel 144/144e 14.4k external modem faster than 19200, even with hardware handshaking. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 16:18:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03071 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05312 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uknet!liv!xchen From: xchen@liverpool.ac.uk (Prof X. Chen) Subject: Help: file transfer problem Message-Id: Sender: news@liverpool.ac.uk (News System) Nntp-Posting-Host: uxg.liv.ac.uk Organization: The University of Liverpool X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:18:01 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do not work at all. Could any expert out there tell me why. I use most default parameters for file transfer. WJ From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:13:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03732 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:14:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:13:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:13:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , william p fulmor wrote: >Last night (11/19/94) I grabbed ckuker.att7300 (don't laugh, it's paid >for & I've got 4 spares) from kermit.columbia.edu. It's about 90K bigger >than the 5A(189) which I have been using for ~~6 months, but when run, >insists that it is 5A(189), not 5A(190) as expected. > We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness of others"... - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:19:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04238 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06734 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:19:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:19:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: >I am running kermit on ultrix 4.3 and I want to be able to call up with >kermit and then quit kermit, but NOT hangup the modem - so I can then run >slattach and start a slip connection. The reason I want to do this is >because I cannot get the chat script for the slip.hosts to work and >figured that if I can just call up with kermit and then get out of kermit >but leave the tty attached but accessable via slattach I could then start >slip going... > Since UNIX is a "real operating system" -- unlike, say, DOS -- processes close all open file handles when they exit. So no, you can't use C-Kermit on UNIX to open a connection and then exit and expect for it to be left open, at least not unless you configure the modem to ignore DTR, and take a few other esoteric steps, none of which are recommended as they pose distinct security risks. But there are several ways for C-Kermit to give access to its connection to other processes, which are covered mostly in section 11 of the file ckuker.bwr, which comes with C-Kermit 5A(190). These include PUSHing from C-Kermit, suspending C-Kermit, and forking (via ! or REDIRECT) other processes from C-Kermit. So read this material, and also read about the new (to edit 190) REDIRECT command in the 5A(190) ckcker.upd file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 03:00:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04509 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07198 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:23:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: winsock, ndis, sundry Message-Id: <1994Nov21.090047.33443@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 09:00:47 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Maybe the last of the winsock discussion here. Just so we are clear on things. Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. We say again, pure Windows programs. And, I am unaware of any winsock implementation yet smart enough to get the heck off the hardware when the last close occurs. They all want to sit and occupy space and attachments whether used or not (not to mention complaining bitterly if one of their friends isn't ready when Windows starts). That puts these things in the category of TSRs rather than upon-demand programs. I think the industry has a step to go yet to clean up this act. NDIS 3 shims. Be my guest. First you need to decode NDIS 2, and then the tangle constituting NDIS 3. Splitting MS-DOS Kermit into pieces. Won't happen, please forget about the concept. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 01:43:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04611 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:24:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:31:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 07:43:13 MDT References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) writes: > When an interrupt signal is generated on our SCO machines > (3.2V4.2), MS-Kermit (3.13, patch about 13, but there are no > obvious fixes listed up to patch 20**) displays an "r". NCSA > Telnet handles this correctly, and examining the event trace > shows that a Telnet Data Mark signal is being sent. > > This happens for both Telnet interrupts, and interrupts generated > by sending the stty interrupt character. > > This is really only a cosmetic problem, and normally results from > being too lazy to change the interrupt character or remap the > backspace key before talking to the machine in question. It > doesn't happen for SunOS 4.1.1. > > ** the patch level 20 file is at home, not in the office. -------- Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed both bytes. If you are still reading along, the way I understand this situation is the SCO machine was trying to flush bytes sent to the MSK client, by sending IAC DMARK in a TCP segment with the TCP URGENT bit set. The recepient is supposed to discard all data up to and including the IAC DMARK. Folks have commented upon this less than clear or desirable "feature" of Telnet, and Kermit does not play that game. Just how much discarding should occur is ambiguous, and I chose not to chase down internal buffers to do the flush. In any case, the commands are really intended to be sent to servers where a job may be blocked unable to read the data stream for the Interrupt Process command pair IAC IP or similar; they ought not be sent to clients. If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:27:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04823 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07530 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:27:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Droped characters - flow control problem? Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:27:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3aql94$7ar@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Micah Anderson wrote: > >I cannot figure out what to set up kermit to use as flow control. I have >a 14.4 ZyXEL modem with a hardware handshaking cable and I've always set >flow control to be Hardware Handshaking... Now that I am running kermit I >am not sure what to set it at and because of this I get characters >dropped and redrawing screens really is messy... Any ideas from >experienced folks? > Modem configuration is always a pain, especially with the newer modems. If you are using MS-DOS Kermit, you can get a Zyxel dialing script for it that sets up the modem and Kermit for optimal performance. This script comes with MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, available via anonymous ftp to host kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. Then just tell Kermit to "set modem zyxel" and DIAL. Remember this is still a beta version; report any problems via e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 17:31:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08008 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:31:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Prof X. Chen wrote: >I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and University >Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is ok to download >files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, if I try to send files >to the remote system, the speed becomes very very slow and often do >not work at all. > This type of question is answered clearly and at length in the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major items to be considered: 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed, lock your modem at that speed, and also enable its error-correction and data compression features. 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means thereof, such as RTS/CTS. 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is *receiving* the file to "set receive packet-length 2000" (or whatever other number works best). 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to "set window 4" (or other number). 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit and MS-DOS Kermit. Items 1 and 2 are handled automatically by the dialing scripts for high-speed modems that come with MS-DOS Kermit. Items 3-5 require some experimentation to obtain the maximum transfer rate possible on any given connection. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 18:11:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:28:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13672 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:27:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu!zinzow From: zinzow@mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark S. Zinzow) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Date: 21 Nov 1994 18:11:24 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3aqnsc$ohs@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> Nntp-Posting-Host: mrcnext.cso.uiuc.edu Keywords: kermit icon Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU (David Anthony Sexton) writes: >Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >versions of Kermit have this already? There are a lot of nifty frog pictures on the World Wide Web. A good source is Sandra Loosemore's Froggy Page http://www.cs.yale.edu/HTML/YALE/CS/HyPlans/loosemore-sandra/froggy.html I've converted one of her drawings to a decent Kermit icon which you can access from my (under construction) kermit page: http://ux1.cso.uiuc.edu/~zinzow/kermit.html From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 21:07:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18264 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:07:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Is there anyway to quit kermit without hanging up? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3aqkqo$6ia@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:07:34 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In VMS you can "exit" C-Kermit and keep the modem allocated. I use the VMS ALLOCATE command and then go into Kermit and exit, then go into Kermit again and when I'm done I DEALLOCATE. Works like a charm and is extremely useful for my particular application (queuing files to send to various "nodes" but keeping the connection up in case the next file queued is for the same node!). Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 22:24:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28371 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:33:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta 14 ready for testing Date: 21 Nov 1994 22:24:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3ar6m0$jmt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-14 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Monday, 21 November 1994, 5:00pm EST: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-12 ( there was no Beta-13 :-) include: 1. Final touches added to SET CARRIER detection for rapid reaction. 2. Found and fixed the recent slowdown for real serial ports (too long a delay when waiting for the UART transmitter to become free). ZIP-file throughput dropped to 600-700 file characters per second, rather than the usual 1600 or so with a 14,400 bps modem (when Kermit protocol is tuned for peak performance and you have a buffered UART, etc). 3. Added new built-in DIAL command. This looks for a macro of the same name (such as the one defined in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file), and executes it with the given phone number as its argument(s). If no DIAL macro is defined then a simple internal macro named __DIAL is run instead. This allows at least some form of dialing to be done under program control even when KERMIT.EXE is run "bare" with no macros defined. The only assumption made by the built-in DIAL macro is that ATD is the dialing command. See (the new) section 1.2 of the KERMIT.UPD file for details. 4. Cured a bug when "\FOOBAR" or other word beginning with \F (upper or lower case), but not one of the \function()s, occurs in certain commands, especially in SET PROMPT. 5. Fixed a bug in sending packets over a seven bit channel with locking shifts active. A packet could be one byte longer than a "regular" one and be sent in long packet format by mistake. 6. Fixed a bug in packet capabilities fields which could prevent a client from requesting file type Binary automatically. 7. Minor fixes to Cyrillic .INI files, addition of a SHORTKOI.TBL file. Still more thanks to Joe Doupnik for his continuing work on this project and his responsiveness to beta testing reports. Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. Let's give this one a good workout in hopes that it might be the final Beta! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 04:54:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!spool.mu.edu!agate!overload.lbl.gov!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Message-Id: <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Date: 21 Nov 94 10:54:30 MDT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 29 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1168 alt.winsock:22603 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , soren@aztec.co.za (Soren Aalto) writes: > In article <3aoc2h$bit@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > >>>> Jeff is correct. The top of a sockets API is a TCP stream channel of >>>>bytes, not packets. "It could be done..." means creating a second TCP/IP >>>>stack feeding from the streams channel and packaging it into TCP/IP over >>>>Ethernet frames to be passed to the application. Not very desirable, nor >>>>realistic. >>>> Joe D. > And _that_ is the real problem. I have wondered at times if the > TCP/IP stack functionality and the Comms/SLIP/PPP functionality > shouldn't be separated into two programs--you could have a > packet driver that "reflects" stuff & attach the comms driver > for SLIP/PPP/whatever to one side and Winsock to the other. ----------- Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 03:26:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21685 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:01:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.dorsai.org!vkwan From: vkwan@dorsai.org (Vito Kwan) Subject: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Message-Id: Organization: The Dorsai Embassy - New York X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:26:02 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi all, I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. Could someone please give me some hints? Thanks in advance. V. Kwan vkwan@dorsai.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:36:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22279 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00208 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:34:33 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!noc.near.net!black.clarku.edu!black.clarku.edu!kdesai From: kdesai@black.clarku.edu (Kamalkumar R. Desai) Subject: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Message-Id: Organization: Clark University (Worcester, MA) Date: 22 Nov 94 02:36:43 GMT Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file should have one line. KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I normally start KERMIT again and now I am at MS-KERMIT> prompt and can do file transfers. I am sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but no avail. Any help is welcome. Kamal Desai Clark Univ. Worcester, MA 01610. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:12:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02936 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:23:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!romulus.ncsc.mil!not-for-mail From: richh@romulus.ncsc.mil (Richard L. Hamilton) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Date: 22 Nov 1994 01:12:33 -0500 Organization: ncsc Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3as24h$q76@romulus.ncsc.mil> References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: romulus.ncsc.mil Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: [...] >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... If whoever provides one would be kind enough to post when it's available, I'd appreciate it. I'd rebuild it myself, having gcc and most other goodies, but the one goody I don't have right now is enough disk space :-( -- I compute, therefore I am. My opinions are strictly by own, and should not be construed to represent anyone else. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 06:56:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28626 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07023 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:06:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!psinntp!barilvm!vms.huji.ac.il!marder.agri.huji.ac.il!MARDER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: kermit icon Message-Id: From: MARDER@agri.huji.ac.il (Jonathan B. Marder) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 06:56:35 GMT References: <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU> <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: The Hebrew University of Jerusalem Nntp-Posting-Host: marder.agri.huji.ac.il X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov19.201531.33339@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >Subject: Re: kermit icon >From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) >Date: 19 Nov 94 20:15:30 MDT >In article <3ajmto$c7o@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, s923796@minyos.xx.rmit.EDU.AU >(David Anthony Sexton) writes: >> Hi all, I am looking for a cute green frog to add to my desktop. >> Preferably with Kermit's looks in face or torso. Does the latest >> versions of Kermit have this already? >> Dave. >--------- > Please wait for the formal release. No, no frogs in the icon. Maybe >you want to create your own. > Joe D. For what it's worth, here's my own icon ... __ Jonathan B. 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Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:00:33 GMT Message-Id: References: <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3aoqi2$1m6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Jeffrey Altman writes: > MS-DOS Kermit's network capabilities > do not work in a DOS session unless you can dedicate a separate > network card to that session. Not entirely true, there are ways to use MS-Kermit's network capabilities. For example, I run multiple MS-Kermit sessions with NVT (Netware Virtual Terminal) over a global IPX/ODI stack on OS/2, talking to a SCO Unix host that's running an SPX/IPX stack. :-) -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 02:23:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29046 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:21:12 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!uhog.mit.edu!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem In-Reply-To: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu's message of 21 Nov 1994 17:31:42 GMT Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 02:23:56 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "Frank" == Frank da Cruz writes: Frank> In article , Prof X. Chen Frank> wrote: >> I use MSKermit 3.13 for the communication between my PC and >> University Unix system. When I use it to transfer files, it is >> ok to download files to my PC in a reasonable speed. However, >> if I try to send files to the remote system, the speed becomes >> very very slow and often do not work at all. >> Frank> This type of question is answered clearly and at length in Frank> the documentation. Very briefly: There are five major Frank> items to be considered: Frank> 1. Interface speed -- use the highest possible speed,....... Frank> 2. Flow control -- use the most effective possible means...... Frank> 3. Use long packets. Tell the Kermit program which is...... Frank> 4. Use sliding windows. Tell *both* Kermit programs to........ Frank> 5. Read about control-character unprefixing in the update Frank> notes files that come with the current releases of C-Kermit Frank> and MS-DOS Kermit. I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor in my host side (only work in ASCII file). From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 19:45:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:48:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!cs.umd.edu!info.usuhs.mil!apgea.army.mil.!jeeisenm From: jeeisenm@apgea.army.mil (Joseph E. Eisenmeier ) Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Message-Id: <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Sender: news@apgea.army.mil (0000-news(0000)) Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda7.apgea.army.mil Organization: apgea References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 19:45:23 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov17.125037@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through >a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly >is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even >after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to >9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on >port 2. Can someone help? > >Thank You. > I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? any ideas? Joe From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:24:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:24:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:24:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 45 Message-Id: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil>, Joseph E. Eisenmeier wrote: >... >I have the same identical problem. I can download from 8 bit systems >using 3 different commercial packages. But everybody says kermit >is the only solution for 7 bit systems. When I d'l a zip file, >pkunzip can read the zipped file directory, but it fails a crc check. >Why can't these people make life simple and switch to 8 bit? > Because of billions of dollars of investment in the installed base of communications equipment, and even in some cases, operating systems. Let's be specific about exactly which Kermit software and which versions of it we are talking about. Released versions of Kermit software *do* *work* in both the 7-bit and 8-bit environments. There was a problem with a couple of the Beta edits of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, but that's Beta software, not released software. The current Beta (14) should not have any problems. Leaving Betas aside for a moment, the standard method for transferring files -- any kind of files -- over a 7-bit connection with Kermit is to tell *both* Kermit programs to: SET PARITY EVEN (or ODD, or MARK, or SPACE). When Kermit's parity is set to anything other than NONE, this enables -- in fact, forces -- 7-bit transfers, meaning that 8-bit data gets encoded in a special 7-bit form that can pass through the 7-bit connection. This should always work. In practice, it is usually only necessary to tell the file *sender* to "set parity ", because then it will tell the receiver. Newer Kermit versions (1990's vintage) will also detect even, odd, or mark parity automatically, even if you don't give a "set parity" command. But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server connections, etc. So to be safe, give a "set parity" command to both Kermit programs. Finally, don't expect this to work with non-Columbia Kermit implementations. In my experience, few of the shareware or commercial packages get this stuff right. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:31:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:32:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27123 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:31:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help: file transfer problem Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:31:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3asvcr$qfg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3aqlhu$7q6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >I also have the file upload problem with MS-Kermit (Also C-Kermit in OS/2), >I can download file with packets length at 5012, but when I use the same >setting to upload file I got lots of timeout and eventually end up too many >retries error and fail to upload file. If I really need to upload file, I >need to increase the retry limit and set the packets length to 92, let the >file crawl from my PC to the host or I will just paste the file into an editor >in my host side (only work in ASCII file). > This is not Kermit's fault. You should be thankful that Kermit lets you adjust these parameters to make the file transfer work at all. Why is this happening? It's hard to say without more information, but the most likely culprit is a lack of buffer capacity in the "upstream" direction, coupled with a lack of effective flow control -- a fatal combination, and a common one. Many communications processors (terminal servers, front ends, host console drivers) are designed on the assumption that traffic *to* the host consists of nothing but keystrokes -- which hardly anybody can produce at more than about ten per second (= 100 bps) -- whereas traffic in the downstream direction is voluminous -- file listings, etc. So they have big output buffers and tiny input buffers. To compound the problem, some communications processors take this assumption one step further and do not even provide flow control in the upstream direction, because they figure they will never need it. A well-known example is the Cisco ASM series of terminal servers. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:40:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:40:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with autodial in MSKERMIT - V3.11 DOS Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:40:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3asvte$r9j@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Kamalkumar R. Desai wrote: >I am using DOS 6.22 and MSKERMIT V3.11 (Yes I will get 3.14 soon), I have >written a small script to call my school using my modem and once connects >types my username and password and logs me in. It works fine but I would >like to start it from DOS prompt, i.e. type "LOGMEIN.BAT" and this file >should have one line. > >KERMIT SCHOOL.TAK > >That does works too i.e. I can start it from C:>/ prompt and would put me >to my school $ prompt on vax. However whenever I hit Alt-X (Escape >sequence) it puts me to DOS prompt rather then MS-KERMIT> prompt. I am >sure there is a way to do it so that it won't kick me out to DOS. I >looked into Manual (Using Kermit.. F. Da'Cruz book) and README files but >no avail. > Actually, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Look on page 202, section Command Line Invocation: Several commands may be given on the command line, separated by commas. ... MS-DOS Kermit will exit back to DOS after completing the specified commands unless you include the STAY commaand on the command line: C> kermit connect, stay (end quote). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 14:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12483 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28144 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:43:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: re-dial in kermit 3.12 Date: 22 Nov 1994 14:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3at022$rfc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Vito Kwan wrote: >I am using MS-DOS kermit on my PC and try to find out how to re-dial a >phone number at a certain time interval, like 5-seconds. >Could someone please give me some hints? > Read the chapter on script programming in the manual? Use any of the standard dialing scripts, which already do this? Once again, the manual is: Christine M. Gianone, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Second Edition, Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann, Woburn, MA, 1992, 345 pages, ISBN 1-55558-082-3. Packaged with version 3.13 of MS-DOS Kermit for the IBM PC, PS/2, and compatibles on a 3.5-inch diskette. US single-copy price: $34.95; quantity discounts available. Available in computer bookstores or directly from: Kermit Development and Distribution Columbia University Academic Information Systems 612 West 115th Street New York, NY 10025 USA Telephone: +1 212 854-3703 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 15:53:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22545 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:49:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11674 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:48:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!interactive.net!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads. Date: 22 Nov 1994 15:53:50 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3at46e$nse@blackice.winternet.com> References: <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: icicle.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kevin Anthony Stanchfield (kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu) wrote: : I use MS-Kermit to call up my Internet account from my house through : a CSUNet local dialup to Cal Poly Pomona, Ca. The system at Cal Poly : is a VAX. I am able to "GET" text files, but not binary files. Even : after I "SET FILE TYPE BINARY" on _both_ ends. My terminal is set to : 9600 7n1 VT102, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 with a USR 14.4 FAX/Modem on : port 2. Can someone help? : Thank You. VMS C-Kermit ignores the binary request for certain file types. To force it to transfer the file as binary, use SET FILE TYPE IMAGE JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 17:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06356 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15419 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:10:05 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!ub!acsu.buffalo.edu!stein-c From: stein-c@acsu.buffalo.edu (Craig Steinberger) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Sender: nntp@acsu.buffalo.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu Reply-To: stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu Organization: SUNY at Buffalo CFD Lab References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:59:22 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. >Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. > >If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit >makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see >where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every >computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness >of others"... > I will be more than happy to biuld 5A(190) for the 7300. I have the stock compilers, and will leave most of the options in. How would I go about submitting this to the archive? -Craig -- Craig Steinberger stein-c@eng.buffalo.edu SUNY at Buffalo, Computational Fluid Dynamics Lab http://cfd20.eng.buffalo.edu/~stein-c/craig.html send email with subject "PGPKEY" for PGP public key From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:36:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:04:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!uunet!dove.nist.gov!enh.nist.gov!lacko From: lacko@enh.nist.gov (Tom Lacko) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for screen dump capability in Kermit 3.12 DOS Date: 22 NOV 94 22:36:21 GMT Organization: NIST Lines: 7 Message-Id: <22NOV94.22362199@enh.nist.gov> Nntp-Posting-Host: enh.nist.gov Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know of a screen dump utility (freeware, shareware, etc.) that I can use with Kermit 3.12? Thank you! Tom Lacko lacko@enh.nist.gov From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 22:35:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA17841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04580 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:06:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 22:35:41 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this version because of the new features and added network support. However, the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes are thus: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, it works in 3.11 version. 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem 4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not getting to the PC. WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. -Darren G. Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 18:24:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:24:52 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:24:19 +0000 Message-Id: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 23:35:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23748 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:28:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 22 Nov 1994 18:35:16 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3atv7k$kp3@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: :We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy :facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this :version because of the new features and added network support. However, :the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes :are thus: : : 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. : : 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. : : 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. : : 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :it works in 3.11 version. : : 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :getting to the PC. : :WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers :to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the :answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so :iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... 1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or do you have a macro handle all of this? 2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... 3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your mscustom.ini after upgrading? 4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do ``one-sided'' file transfers. 5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. Hope this helped a little. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 21 23:03:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15214 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:43:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!usenet.ucs.indiana.edu!indyvax.iupui.edu!indyunix.iupui.edu!rjfortho Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> From: rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () Date: 21 Nov 94 18:03:40 -0500 Nntp-Posting-Host: indyunix.iupui.edu X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL4 Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or some graphical character set - I'm not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 03:37:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29412 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 06:43:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.nevada.edu!homesick.cs.unlv.edu!ftlofaro From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 03:37:06 GMT Organization: University of Nevada, Las Vegas Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: big-twist.cs.unlv.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the communications port then. I know how to do the ioctl's and the break checking, but it is hard to find exactly what file and function I need to add my code to. Just going by the file names and grepping for ioctl isn't as useful as I had hoped. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:25:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12662 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:25:50 MDT References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: > I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol > converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to switch > character sets on me. (I can recreate the problem by picking up the phone > and setting it down quickly.) The character set appears to by Cyrillic or > some graphical character set - I m not sure. I can use Kreset (alt-=) to > restore the character set, but I would like to prevent the switch from > ever happening. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to tell Kermit not to > make this switch? By the way, I am using VT102 emulation in Kermit. I'm > willing to try other emulations if that would help, but VT102 works well with > our protocol converter, in that it provides printer support. Any suggestions > would be greatly appreciated. --------- Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the item, or get your phone line fixed. I can't assist with your mainframe terminal facilties vis VT320's so I wish you luck with that end. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 22 16:28:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12664 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 07:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov22.222848.33621@cc.usu.edu> Date: 22 Nov 94 22:28:48 MDT References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais.cais.com () writes: > We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy > facility that we have not had with 3.1.1. We would like to use this > version because of the new features and added network support. However, > the numerous problems prevent us from doing so. Specificly, the problmes > are thus:
> WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers > to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. If the > answer is to install version 3.1.4 to fix the problems, then we will do so > iff it addresses the problems we have encountered. > > -Darren G. Pifer > Code 431 - NAVMASSO > Phone: (804) 523-8098 > E-mail: pifer@cais.com --------------- I very seriously doubt that Columbia turned a deaf ear. Maybe a little personality clash or things just got lost in the shuffle? As the author of MSK please send me more details directly and I will see if we can understand some of them. jrd@cc.usu.edu. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 12:23:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20271 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:36:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!msuinfo!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au!ran From: ran@daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au (Ralphe Neill) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: fin and stat Date: 23 Nov 1994 12:23:15 GMT Organization: Monash University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3avc7j$ocs@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: daneel.rdt.monash.edu.au X-Nntp-Posting-User: ran Summary: old feature appears again? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have just compiled C-Kermit 5A(190) under SunOS 4.0.2 and have noted what seems to be the re-appearance of an old "feature" - entering "stat" after "fin" gives the results for the "finish" instead of the last file(s). I remember this being noted as a bug years ago but it was then fixed in, I think, (179). It's not the most serious of problems but, if I haven't missed something, I thought that it was worth pointing out. Ralphe Neill From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:08:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21451 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:08:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.csc.fi!news.helsinki.fi!cc.helsinki.fi!jaakola From: jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 22 Nov 94 22:02:04 EET Organization: University of Helsinki Lines: 45 Message-Id: <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hylka.helsinki.fi Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1192 alt.winsock:22840 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Nice idea but not practical here. There are a great many > coupling threads (variables, calls) between the high level and comms > level material in Kermit so that control may be exercised and speed > retained. And there is much more to comms than serial or the internal > TCP/IP stack; SET PORT exhibits the list (and some choices transparently > encompass two or three variations from the same vendor). > Winsock is for pure Windows programs, not for DOS programs. > MS-DOS Kermit removes itself from comms channels when done with > them. Few commercial TCP/IP stacks do so (none that I know of). Were > winsock guys to get off the pot when done the problem would be smaller. > So please consider hounding your winsock vendor to go un-TSR upon last > close and to not be present until an application makes a demand. > Joe D. I can use Trumpet Winsock (version 1, beta 6) and MS-Kermit, but not at the same time, and I can switch back and forth using either one, one at a time. I use WINPKT+ODITRPKT+ODI drivers. A guy from New Zealand says that he is able to use Winsock and KA9Q at the same time without stopping the other one. He is even using the same IP address for both of them! He uses PKTMUX. I think that XFS is a hack which allows you to have NFS and Winsock simultaneously. Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, and both stacks having the same IP number? I see the following problems: Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, do you hear? When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? Can these problems be circumvented? -- Juhani Jaakola, jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:09:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18097 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:09:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:09:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3avpf3$hl8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3audd2$dk0@homesick.cs.unlv.edu>, Frank Lofaro wrote: >Where is actual user input and tty ioctl's handled? > >I want to add some modifications to kermit so when it sets up the tty >it does the equivalent of stty -ignbrk -brkint parmrk, have kermit >detect an incoming break (255 0 0) and send a break out the >communications port then. > Although you did not say so, I assume you are talking about C-Kermit. C-Kermit is a software program that runs on literally hundreds of different platforms, and I am responsible for it, so you should probably contact me directly. Locally hacked versions of C-Kermit are discouraged, as a matter of self-preservation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:16:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19121 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:16:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:16:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3avptj$ila@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk>, Scott Mordecai wrote: >I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix >boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a >problem (using make iclsys5r4). > Running which version of UNIX? (I'd like to confirm that it works on DRS/NX System V R4.2.) >The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what >unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release >4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". > This is a new one on me. Maybe you could send me the compilation log directory (don't post it to the newsgroup). There is a makefile entry for Nixdorf Targon/31 with an operating system called TOS, which is based on System V R3, but that is probably not the same thing. But it is a pretty generic SVR3 version so it might be worth a try. In any case, please let's continue this offline. If anybody else has some feedback about the ICL and/or Nixdorf C-Kermit versions, please come forward. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:31:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20453 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:31:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:31:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3avqoc$jv2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3atrnt$c14@news.cais.com>, wrote: >We have been experiencing problems with using 3.1.3 Kermit at our Navy >facility... >WE are looking for help from anyone on the net. We have tried to get answers >to these problems from Columbia yet they have turned a deaf ear. > We get about 500 tech support requests per day by phone, email, and postal mail. We try to handle all of them. We do not deliberately ignore any queries or requests for help. We do not turn a deaf ear, but (as Joe said) items sometimes do get lost in the shuffle, because sometimes we are overwhelmed by the sheer volume. If features are broken, we want to fix them. If features are poorly documented, we want to improve the documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 16:46:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02074 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:47:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Alternate character set Date: 23 Nov 1994 16:46:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3avrm3$lck@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax> <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov22.222550.33619@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article <1994Nov21.180341.10495@ivax>, >rjfortho@indyunix.iupui.edu () writes: >> I am using MS-Kermit to dial in to an IBM 3090 mainframe, through a protocol >> converter. Periodically, I will get line noise which causes Kermit to >> switch character sets on me. >Those would be control codes SI and SO which change character >sets on you. A real VT100 will do exactly the same. Use VT320 where >these two codes switch amongst the same character sets most of the time... > It is a fundamental limitation of terminal/host communication that noise can be generated on the communication channel that looks to the terminal exactly like a legitimate control function. Control functions can do anything at all -- not just switch character sets. You can avoid this situation by setting up an error-corrected terminal session via SLIP, or making a network connection instead of a serial connection, etc. You can minimize (but no eliminate) the risks of this on a dialup connection by using an error-correcting modem and hardware flow control. When you can't avoid a noisy connection, and you only care about ASCII characters (i.e. you don't ever want to see accented letters, etc), then you can designate ASCII to all four of Kermit's terminal character-set tables as follows: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET ASCII G0 G1 G2 G3 Consult "Using MS-DOS Kermit", Appendix II, "Terminal Character Set Terminology and Mechanics", pp.289-290, for details. For further details, read ISO standards 4873 and 2022, or a VT220 or VT320 Programmer Reference Manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:28:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07882 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29431 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:05:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Followup-To: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:28:07 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1197 alt.winsock:22862 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jaakola@cc.helsinki.fi wrote: % Is it possible to use MS-Kermit and Winsock simultaneously with PKTMUX, % and both stacks having the same IP number? Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! % I see the following problems: % Who answers to ICMP echo (ping, that is)? How about other ICMP messages? % How does one avoid using the same port numbers in both stacks? Could Joe % add a client port range parameter to MS-Kermit, and is the same possible % on the Winsock side, so that the two ranges would not overlap? Of % course, for Winsock this would be stack brand dependent. Peter Tattam, % do you hear? % When MS-Kermit 3.14 sends RARP for its own address (the duplicate % check), will the Winsock answer it and thus trigger a false alarm? % Can these problems be circumvented? I am not competent to answer these questions, but we don't have any problems of this kind. Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 11:19:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10060 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:58:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Path: news.columbia.edu!news.media.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!heifetz.msen.com!zib-berlin.de!fauern!news.th-darmstadt.de!muster!news From: Johannes.Becker@hrz.uni-giessen.de (Johannes Becker) Subject: Re: winsock/pkt dvr hack possible? Sender: news@muster.hrz.uni-giessen.de Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:19:05 GMT References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> Organization: HRZ Uni Giessen X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.5 Lines: 17 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1198 alt.winsock:22872 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >On 13 Nov 1994, Leslie Mikesell wrote: > >> Since a "real" windows kermit seems unlikely in the near future, I'd >> like to know if it would be possible to use some kind of shim that >> looks like a packet driver in a dos session but actually uses the >> winsock interface. Hello, there4s a program called COMt around, that redirects MS-Windows calls to COM-Ports to the internet. Microsoft4s tcpip32 winsockets for Windows for Workgroups come with DOS-programs like ping, that are redirected to the tcpip32 winsockets. Could any programmer put these things together to build the above mentioned shim? Johannes From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 17:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23025 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27436 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:40:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais2.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 17:00:44 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 70 Message-Id: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > >: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on >:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. >: >: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. >: >: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. >: >: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals >:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, >:it works in 3.11 version. >: >: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem >:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not >:getting to the PC. >: >Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... > >1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and > changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or > do you have a macro handle all of this? I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, ie. tput init That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' status line back. This worked in V3.13. >2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. >3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you > sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your > mscustom.ini after upgrading? There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. >4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > ``one-sided'' file transfers. I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? >5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. >Hope this helped a little. > Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Darren G. Pifer NAVMASSO - Code 431 Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 06:29:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10292 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.122910.33675@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 12:29:10 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > > I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the client rather than sending long strings from the host. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 09:04:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05755 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23456 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:12:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!pipex!uunet!emba-news.uvm.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: <1994Nov23.150438.33689@cc.usu.edu> Date: 23 Nov 94 15:04:38 MDT References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) writes: > In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: > :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) > :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. > :>: > :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals > :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, > :>:it works in 3.11 version. > :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here > :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of > :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so > :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Rollback 0 has always meant, and continues to mean, no rollback screens. > Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can > remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a > sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want > to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says > the same thing. > > :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and > :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command > :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch > :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do > :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. > : > :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to > :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on > :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files > :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > > Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: > > define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive > define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- > if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- > set delay 1, apc receive,- > if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name > else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name > > Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think > that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't > send and out. ------------- Both. MSK 3.14 has command APC to send to a host, in addition to VTxxx reception of them. Thanks Jerry, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 01:53:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 21:56:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:53:48 GMT Lines: 34 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com wrote: >I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how >to set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that >same on the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not >have .ini files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of >such? I can help with this one (since I've used both apc and terminalR/ terminalS). There's nothing to set up on the PC side with apc, no terminalR or terminalS macros. That's the idea-- apc is more flexible. You just have the host Kermit execute 'apc comma, separated,list,of,commands', and this list will be sent to the PC, which will execute them as though they were a comma separated list of commands in a macro definition. The PC Kermit automatically goes to command mode when it recieves an apc, and automatically returns to terminal mode after it finishes executing the commands. The only thing that you may want to set on your PC is the 'terminal apc' variable. Default is 'on', which enables "safe" commands. If you want your apc to include delete, run (shell to DOS), or other "unsafe" commands, you need to 'set terminal apc unchecked' first. This itself can be done from the host, with a separate apc command. Note that terminal apc should be reset back to 'on' as soon as possible. The apc from the host can also instruct your PC to execute a macro or take file you want something. One last little note: If you want a backslash sent in an apc command (eg. directory specifications) from a Unix host, it seems to be necessary to escape it with a second one, or it isn't sent. Hope that helps. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 05:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23085 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:20:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:04:30 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu>, Jerry Alexandratos (darkstar@chopin.udel.edu) wrote: >Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think >that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't >send and out. Quickly checking kermit.hlp for 3.13, this seems to be the case. This is probably because if you want to control the host Kermit from the PC end, you put the host Kermit in server mode. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 14:51:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:50:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!clstac!kastanchfiel From: kastanchfiel@csupomona.edu (Kevin Anthony Stanchfield) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 23 Nov 94 22:51:28 PST Organization: California State Polytechnic University, Pomona Lines: 7 Message-Id: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: pinto.is.csupomona.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a 9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, 7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14,... What else it there? From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 11:03:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24654 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:12:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!ibmpcug!kate.ibmpcug.co.uk!alun From: alun@ibmpcug.co.uk (Alun Jenkins) Subject: DPS 6 kermit ! Organization: /usr/lib/news/organiszation Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:03:16 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello!, I have the doubtful honour of trying to get DPS 6 kermit working Unfortunatly i dont have a C compiler can any one help Im running GCOS V2.0 Alun Jenkins -- Alun G Jenkins Tech Support OSICOM UK ----------------------------------------------------------------- Fanatic Viper 3.20 Bic Allegro 2.7 Mosquito 2.55 Neil Pryde 3.5 4.5 5.5 Twin cam ST From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 19:30:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01643 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:23:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 23 Nov 1994 14:30:19 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 101 Message-Id: <3b058b$aeb@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, wrote: :>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) :> :>: 1) The status line at the bottom of the screen comes back on :>:when connecting to the host, even though mode is set to off. :>: :>: 2) Terminals have been known to go dead after some use on the network. :>: :>: 3) "rollback 0" does not work the same as it did in 3.1.1. :>: :>: 4) File transfer does not work. We set terminalr and terminals :>:and execute the local escape sequence but the PC does not see it. Again, :>:it works in 3.11 version. :>: :>: 5) Inverse video does not work with multi-colors. I believe problem :>:4 and 5 are related since they send escape sequences to the PC and are not :>:getting to the PC. :>: :>Hmm, well, here's what I would take a crack at... :> :>1) See if there isn't a macro that connects you to a machine and :> changes something around. Do you connect by hand (set port tcp ...) or :> do you have a macro handle all of this? : :I have removed all macros out of the `take` file. The problem appears :to be the way the UNIX system is initializing the terminal type, : :ie. tput init : :That command seems to reset the terminal which includes adding kermits' :status line back. This worked in V3.13. Okay, what's probably happening is that tput is trying to (and succeeding at reinitializing your screen). What you want to do is tell tput to set the information for the host and just reset the terminal (thus you're assuming everything on the terminal is fine--which it should be). So, just use the ``tput reset'' command in your .login. The ``reset'' argument tells it to just reset the terminal instead of reinitializing it... :>2) Need more information for this one. What type of network, etc... : :I am not sure the real problem behind this -- it could be that our LAN :is just experiencing some traffic problems causing the drop in connection. :I will try to find out more on this as the other problems are ironed out. : :>3) What was the original functionality that doesn't work now. Are you :> sure that you didn't change some local setting somewhere in your :> mscustom.ini after upgrading? : :There might just be a misunderstood idea of how it works; most people here :think by setting rollback to 0 that there will be unlimited amount of :screens to be saved. I will have to clarify this everyone involved here so :that this one can be resolved without any testing involved. Well, I would chalk it up to a misunderstanding. For as long as I can remember, rollback 0 meant to turn off rollback. In fact, give me a sec... Yep, double-checking in my Using MS-Kermit v3.11 (didn't want to use the latest, just in case something may have changed), it says the same thing. :>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and :> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command :> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch :> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do :> ``one-sided'' file transfers. : :I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to :set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on :the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini files :where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? Okay, here are the macros from C-Kermit: define pcget apc {send \%1 \%2}, receive define pcsend asg \%9 \ffiles(\%1),- if = 0 \%9 end 1 {\?File not found},- set delay 1, apc receive,- if = 1 \%9 send \%1 \%2,- ; Single file with as-name else send \%1 ; or wildcard with no as-name Make sure you do ``set term apc on'' to enable this feature. I think that MS-Kermit only accepts and understand APC signals, but doesn't send and out. :>5) Hmmm... I don't know what to say for this one. : :I am not sure either but will get to this one when the others are resolved. : :>Hope this helped a little. :> :Thanks for the suggestions and for any other ideas. Glad to be of help. --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:30:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01932 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05948 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:30:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:30:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >3.14,... What else it there? > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" or thereabouts. Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 15:27:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02002 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!CC.UMontreal.CA!IRO.UMontreal.CA!clouso.crim.ca!hobbit.ireq.hydro.qc.ca!seguin!regie From: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca (Regis Houde) Subject: Xmodem with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@ireq.hydro.qc.ca (Netnews Admin) Reply-To: regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Organization: IREQ - Hydro-Quebec Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:27:59 GMT Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Sorry if this is a trivial question but... I want to download a file from Unix to a BBS using Xmodem. I don't have control over the protocol/software used by the BBS machine. Here is what I did (and it didn't work...) ------- Kermit session ------ set modem hayes set line /dev/cua1 set file type binary set speed 9600 dial BBS_NUMBER connect % Here I placed the BBS software in the recieve mode % % I tried run xmodem -sbk my_file % And !xmodem -sbk my_file ------- End of Kermit session ------ What am I doing wrong? If someone know how to do it using tip, I'll appreciate too. Thank you -------------------------------------------------------------------- Regis Houde regie@ireq-robot.hydro.qc.ca Institut de recherche d'Hydro-Quebec regie@ireq-robot.uucp 1800, montee Sainte-Julie (514) 652-8107 Varennes, Que., Canada J3X 1S1 FAX : (514) 652-1316 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 16:12:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02572 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:48:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!uunet!noc.near.net!saturn.caps.maine.edu!news.ycc.yale.edu!yar.trincoll.edu!nmiller From: nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Date: 24 Nov 1994 16:12:11 GMT Organization: Trinity College, Hartford, CT Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mail.cc.trincoll.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. Norman Miller From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 17:19:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03773 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21358 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:29:01 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!susx.ac.uk!leilabd From: leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk (Leila Burrell-Davis) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,alt.winsock Subject: Re: winsock/MS-Kermit hack possible? (Was: winsock/pkt drv hack...) Date: 24 Nov 1994 17:19:14 GMT Organization: Computing Service, University of Sussex, UK Lines: 73 Message-Id: <3b2hui$4ih@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> References: <3a67j8$j39@Mercury.mcs.com> <3anvci$dut@relay.tor.hookup.net> <1994Nov21.105430.33454@cc.usu.edu> <1994Nov22.220204.1@cc.helsinki.fi> <3avjhn$ae3@infa.central.susx.ac.uk> Nntp-Posting-Host: solx1.central.susx.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1210 alt.winsock:23017 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I (leilabd@central.susx.ac.uk) wrote: % Yes. We do that here. We run MS-Kermit and Trumpet Winsock % simultaneously and it works. (The IP no. and other IP info is % supplied by a bootp server.) I constantly marvel at how clever it is! And I was asked by email for details of the setup we use. In case anyone else is interested: If running over packet drivers I load the following before starting Windows. I use 3 pktdrv's (I had some problems with only 2, though that should have been enough, 1 for Kermit & 1 for Winsock) rmftpat2 0x78 [ packet driver for my ethernet card ] pktmux /i 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv This is the odi solution we use when we also want to connect to a NetWare server: lsl rmodiat2 [ this is odi driver for my ethernet card ] odipkt 1 0x78 pktmux 3 pktdrv pktdrv pktdrv [then NetWare stuff] ipxodi netx login And in my net.cfg I have: Link Support Max Stacks 8 buffers 8 1600 MemPool 4096 Link Driver rmodiat2 Frame Ethernet_802.3 Frame Ethernet_II Protocol IPX 0 Ethernet_802.3 ; I have no idea if I need this next chunk but it works so I leave it in Protocol TCPIP tcp_sockets 8 udp_sockets 8 raw_sockets 1 nb_sessions 4 nb_commands 8 nb_adapter 0 nb_domain show dots = on long machine type = RM_PC file handles = 80 get local target stacks = 10 spx = 20 preferred server = CS06 Then I run Windows. Both Kermit and Winsock are in my path. Both get their IP configuration info from a bootp server running on a unix box. Hope this helps, Leila -- Leila Burrell-Davis, Computing Service, University of Sussex, Brighton, UK Tel: +44 (0) 1273 678390 Fax: +44 (0) 1273 678470 Email: L.Burrell-Davis@sussex.ac.uk PGP Public Key fingerprint: 18 A3 45 D6 40 6D 62 00 E9 71 AD 18 E8 E2 9F 7D From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 23 08:14:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04362 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22108 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 12:43:18 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 08:14:08 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and outputs it to the active com port. The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original text from the file. For example, an 'output aaa\97128bbb' will generate 'aaa\97128bbb' while 'output aaa\47122bbb' generates two strange characters sandwiched between 'aaa' and 'bbb'. Is there any way of disabling the \ translation feature temporarily in a script? -- Antonio Querubin tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu / ah6bw@uhm.ampr.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:12:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23691 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:12:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Antonio Querubin wrote: >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and >outputs it to the active com port. > Using which Kermit program, and what version? When commenting on the behavior of a software program, it is always a good idea to say which program it is, and which version of it. >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation >feature temporarily in a script? > Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you should be able to do something like this: read \%a output \fcontents(\%a) By the way, a similar kind of problem occurs whenever you need to refer to DOS-like pathnames in a Kermit script. The solutions are the same. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 04:54:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:13:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23705 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:12:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help needed with Hebrew Kermit Message-Id: <1994Nov24.105425.33738@cc.usu.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 10:54:25 MDT References: <3aoh8b$hhn@crl5.crl.com> <1994Nov20.164015.33381@cc.usu.edu> <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2e0r$99g@yar.trincoll.edu>, nmiller@trincoll.edu (Norman Miller) writes: > Thanks to Joe Doupnik for his reply. Version 3.14 is up and running > and all is well. There were some problems with the instructions in > hebrew.doc (getting back to English) but not serious. > > The one problem I haven't solved may be with 3.14 itself. I have no trouble > using zmodem when running under 4dos.com. The same command processor, Look at COMSPEC= in your Environment and see "...\4dos.com" which means binary four to Kermit. Had 4dos.com been named fourdos.com there would have been no problem. Joe D. > however, isn't recognized when I run Kermit under Desqview. Other than that, > MS-Kermit continues to be the best I've seen. From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 18:23:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:23:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit WWW Home Page Date: 24 Nov 1994 18:23:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3b2lm7$nsc@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Infobahn surfers, a first cut at a home page for Kermit. The URL is: http://www.columbia.edu/~kermit/ Comments welcome, via email to kermit@columbia.edu -- please let's not clog the newsgroup with discussions about home-page and HTML trivia. I'd appreciate having pointers to this new home page added to home pages in other locations. And yes, I know there are no pictures of frogs. That is on purpose; please don't bother sending frog pictures. Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 10:12:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12512 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:02:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!tdsmith From: tdsmith@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Message-Id: <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 24 Nov 94 15:12:13 CDT References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 33 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > In article <1994Nov23.225128@clstac>, > Kevin Anthony Stanchfield wrote: >>First of all, I would like to thank you all for your help in gitting >>my machine to download binary al well as text files... The "SET PARITY >>SPACE" worked!! No I got a new prob., the transfers are soooo slow! >>And, they never finish, the always fail. I'm using a 14.4 to call up a >>9600 baud telnet site to connect to my university. Hardware flow control, >>7s1, set parity space, windows 4, port speed is 57.6K, I'm using MS-Kermit >>3.14,... What else it there? >> > Long packets. Tell the file receiver to "set receive packet-length 1000" > or thereabouts. > > Control-character unprefixing. Read about this in the KERMIT.UPD file. > > The real question remains: why are your transfers failing? Let's figure > this one out, and then we can make them as fast as possible. > > Tell MS-DOS Kermit to "log packet", then try to transfer a file. Then > tell MS-DOS Kermit to "close packet", and send the resulting PACKET.LOG > file by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu for analysis. > > - Frank Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. Good luck. Troy Smith From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:26:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Slow _binary_ download/fast text download? Date: 24 Nov 1994 22:26:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3b33v1$89m@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Nov23.225128@clstac> <3b2f39$5pq@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Nov24.151213.78500@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, wrote: >Just to add a data point: with a high load on the computer that I'm >posting from (a DEC 7000), transfers will hang sometimes. MS-Kermit >will then go into its retry cycle. I've had it time out, even with >retries set to 63. Fortunately, it's a rare occurrence. > Right. Of course, if the load on one or both systems is hideously high, or the network is horribly congested, then Kermit can time out before the expected packet comes, even though it would have come eventually. Here again, the user has control. The solution is to increase the timeout interval, rather than the retry limit. The trick is to avoid unnecessary retransmissions, not to increase the number of them. The command is "set receive timeout", which should be given to both Kermit programs in advance of the transfer, for example: set receive timeout 20 to increase the timeout interval from the default 5 seconds to 20 seconds. If you know the connection is good, but very slow, you can use "set receive timeout 0", meaning wait forever for each packet, and don't time out. For greater detail, see the Command Summary section of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 01:31:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 24 Nov 1994 20:34:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 01:31:37 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I need it to do. I'm confused. I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Thanks for your help. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com (Internet Direct, Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona) From news@columbia.edu Thu Nov 24 22:34:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07127 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 05:24:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: david@djwhome.demon.co.uk (David Woolley) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!demon!djwhome.demon.co.uk!david Subject: Re: Telnet Data Mark displays as "r" on MSK 3.13. References: <785307785snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> Summary: Problem seems to be DM sequence split across segments. Cc: jrd@cc.usu.edu X-Mailer: cppnews $Revision: 1.42 $ Organization: Demon Subscriber at Home Lines: 76 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 22:34:05 +0000 Message-Id: <785741645snx@djwhome.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk In article <1994Nov21.074313.33432@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > Data Marks are rather rare events, but you ought not have seen >an "r" as a consequence. DMARK is 242 decimal, which after chopping the >high bit yields 114 decimal "r". But the DMARK should have been sent as >IAC DMARK (255 242), and the Kermit Telnet code would (quotes) have absorbed >both bytes. ..... > If you still have the trace I'd appreciate receiving a copy. The original log I had was just the ALT Z screen from NCSA telnet. However, I have now done a trace with KA9Q (I couldn't get the packet driver trace to log anything, although it has worked before - possibly something to do with using ODIPKT now?). There is no kermit involvement in the tracing process. It appears that the data mark is being split between two segments, which appears to me to be a legitimate, although perverse, interpretation of RFC 854. In the following, one delete, the default interrupt character, is entered at the login prompt. I have the kermit option negotiation trace, and the full KA9Q trace, but it seems to me that the options are irrelevant. I've pruned the data from ACKs. Using the login sequence as an example was to reduce the length of the trace. The symptom is easily repeatable. (It's even repeatable on new versions of KEATERM, but not older ones!!!) [ A fuller trace has been sent to JRD ] Thu Nov 24 12:51:30 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 63 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 47 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a5f Ack x2163e01f ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 7 0030 10 00 69 f0 00 00 6c 6f 67 69 6e 3a 20 00 4e ..ip..login: .N >>>>> ACK Backspace and echo sent by mistake. Thu Nov 24 12:51:38 1994 - et0 rec >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 sent: Ether: len 55 00:00:c0:2d:5f:81->00:80:0f:66:bd:8c type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.73->193.130.6.37 ihl 20 ttl 63 prot TCP TCP: 1024->23 Seq x2163e020 Ack xa4559a67 ACK PSH Wnd 11680 Data 1 0030 2d a0 2f 60 00 00 7f - /`... ========================^^=============================================DEL Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a67 Ack x2163e021 URG ACK PSH Wnd 4096 UP x1 Data 1 ==========================================^^^ 0030 10 00 cc dd 00 01 ff 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..L].... ========================^^=============================================IAC <<<<< ACK >>>>> ACK Thu Nov 24 12:51:39 1994 - et0 recv: Ether: len 61 00:80:0f:66:bd:8c->00:00:c0:2d:5f:81 type IP IP: len 41 193.130.6.37->193.130.6.73 ihl 20 ttl 59 tos 16 prot TCP TCP: 23->1024 Seq xa4559a68 Ack x2163e021 ACK PSH Wnd 4096 Data 1 0030 10 00 d9 fd 00 00 f2 00 20 20 20 20 20 ..Y}..r. ========================^^===============================================DM >>>>> ACK -- David Woolley, London, England david@djwhome.demon.co.uk Demon supplies me with IP/SMTP/NNTP. *.demon hosts are independently managed. From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 03:45:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:13:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [?] MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and PPP Message-Id: <1994Nov25.094509.33775@cc.usu.edu> Date: 25 Nov 94 09:45:09 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 43 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > I've been told by my Internet service provider that, for my SLIP account, > I need to use "dynamic" IP addressing in lieu of "static" IP addressing. > I've also been told that, if I switch from SLIP to PPP, I won't need to > worry about dynamic versus static IP addressing because PPP does what I > need it to do. I'm confused. > > I use MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 and its built-in TCP/IP support in tandem with > the SLIP8250 packet driver. Sometimes I can initiate a TCP/IP connection > to a remote host, sometimes I can't. Apparently, the reason for this > intermittent success is that my service provider uses different terminal > servers, some of which only support dynamic IP addressing. > > 1. Does MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 support dynamic IP addressing? If so, what > _is_ "dynamic" IP addressing? And how do I implement it? It is not a client option. It is how the other side may choose to hand out IP addresses to clients. SLIP has no provision to supply this via a protocol transfer so you may need to read it off the screen or similar. Dynamic in this case means drawn from a pool of IP addresses on some server machine. Cicso terminal servers support bootp over SLIP and that will provide the information. I have no idea about other host connections. > 2. If MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 does not support dynamic IP addressing, then it > seems I need to switch from SLIP to PPP. Correct? Is there a PPP driver > for MS-DOS (and not Windows 3.1)? If so, where can I find this driver? See above. PPP can do the same. However, there is no formal way of transferring that information to the overlying TCP/IP protocol stack. Each vendor has different methods (if any). MS-DOS Kermit can obtain that information from the DOS Environment and from Novell's NET.CFG file for the case of Telebit PPP drivers. Bootp may or may not work in your environment. > If none of this inquiry makes any sense, it's because I don't really > understand what I'm asking. I only understand that my service provider > can't help me--they only know and support Winsock applications. They > only pretend to listen to me after I've uttered the word "Kermit". Then you need a better service provider. Winsock means TCP/IP stack, Windows or not, and thus the problem is exactly the same for DOS and Windows. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 00:03:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00728 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12577 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 19:03:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 00:03:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should have a professional look, and should suggest Kermit's use as a communications program (with perhaps a hint at its networking, graphics, and/or international character-set capabilities, and/or speed and flexibility, etc). No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any other kind of animal, puppet, or cartoon character, although graphical puns (not too obscure) on "3.14" might not be ruled out(*). Judging and selection will be arbitrary and capricious. The winner will get full credit in the KERMIT\WINDOWS\READ.ME file. - Frank (*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 03:33:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 22:33:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Character-set stories needed Date: 26 Nov 1994 03:33:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3b6aai$o82@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: Kermit News, Character Sets Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For Kermit News #6, due out soon(er or later), we'd like to collect some stories, testimonials, quotes, and/or evidence of the usefulness of the character-set conversion capabilities found in MS-DOS Kermit, C-Kermit, and IBM Mainframe Kermit. If you are using these capabilities in terminal connection / emulation (i.e. CONNECT mode) or in text-mode file transfer, please drop a note via email to kermit@columbia.edu and let us know. We'd like to hear from everybody, but we'd especially like to hear from people in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union about the Latin-2 and Cyrillic capabilities, since we have received, until now, so little feedback on these: how do people in the Czech Republic or Poland or Hungary deal with the incompatibility of Code Page 852 and ISO Latin-2 in their data communications if not with Kermit? How do Russians, Bielorussians, Ukranians, and Bulgarians convert among the KOI8, Short KOI, ISO Latin/Cyrillic, DKOI, etc, encodings for Cyrillic text if not with Kermit? We know, for example, that Russian newsgroups are in KOI8, but Russian PCs use "Alternative Cyrillic" a.k.a. CP866 -- MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit handle this fine, although the complete package -- fonts, keyboard drivers, complete mappings, etc -- was not included in the basic package until version 3.14. What about Poland -- I see there are some pl.* Polish newsgroups, but I can't get access to them from here. What character sets are used, etc? But like I said, more commonplace stories are welcome too, from Western Europe, Latin America, Canada -- anywhere. Japan and Israel are pretty well covered, but if are using Kermit's Hebrew and Kanji capabilities and we haven't heard from you, feel free to jump in! And if you have any other Amazing Stories involving Kermit software, send them in too -- get published! Thanks. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 02:54:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07709 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:03:47 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!hookup!ames!news.Hawaii.Edu!mpg.phys.hawaii.edu!tony From: tony@mpg.phys.hawaii.edu (Antonio Querubin) Subject: Re: disabling \ translation Message-Id: Sender: news@news.Hawaii.Edu Organization: University of Hawaii X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3b2l1p$n49@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 02:54:11 GMT Lines: 35 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article , : Antonio Querubin wrote: : >I have a kermit script which reads a line at a time from a text file and : >outputs it to the active com port. : > : Using which Kermit program, and what version? Kermit 3.14, latest beta downloaded today. : >The problem I have is that some of the text in the file consists of the \ : >character followed by numbers. When the line is output to the com port : >it will sometimes transmit translated characters rather than the original : >text from the file. ... Is there any way of disabling the \ translation : >feature temporarily in a script? : > : Yes. In C-Kermit 5A(190), there is "set command quoting off". Also, in : both C-Kermit 5A (188-190) and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (but not earlier), you : should be able to do something like this: : read \%a : output \fcontents(\%a) Actually I have something like this in a loop: read \%l output \Fcontents(\%l)\13 and the file contains: 94BQ011XXX UAR\47122 OSAN AB 94BQ011XXX UAR\47142 TAEGU The \47122 and \47142 get sent as two control characters. From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 10:40:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22438 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13036 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 05:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!news.cc.utah.edu!atmos.met.utah.edu!jgmiles From: "John G. Miles" Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 03:40:44 -0700 Organization: University Of Utah Computer Center Lines: 34 Message-Id: References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: atmos.met.utah.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu In-Reply-To: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed without problem. However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've tried has been unsuccessful. Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as often as I'd like). --John Miles jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Nov 25 09:17:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23029 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14047 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 06:10:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc From: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk (Scott Mordecai) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!demon!betanews.demon.co.uk!musicman.demon.co.uk!scott Subject: Re: Trouble compiling C-Kermit References: <785528659snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Organization: home Reply-To: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk X-Newsreader: Demon Internet Simple News v1.27 Lines: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:17:41 +0000 Message-Id: <785755061snz@musicman.demon.co.uk> Sender: usenet@demon.co.uk Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to get the latest version of C-Kermit going on a couple of Unix boxes at work. One is an ICL DRS6000 - I have compiled on there without a problem (using make iclsys5r4). The other box is a Siemens Nixdorf RM400, but I'm not completely sure what unix version it is. On loggin in it reports "UNIX(r) System V Release 4.0". After loggin in, it reports "SINIX Version 5.41". Unfortunately there is no Siemens Nixdorf, or SINIX entry in the makefile. I've tried compiling with "make sys5r4", but I just get a bunch of warnings and finally and fails completely. I was going to include all the messages here, but thought better to save bandwidth and get some suggestions first. Any ideas? -- \|||/ Scott Mordecai / A BAD DAY SKYDIVING < o,o > Internet: scott@musicman.demon.co.uk \ IS BETTER THAN A GOOD DAY \_/ CompuServe: 70374,2246 / AT WORK From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 15:45:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28379 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28480 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!news-4.nss.udel.edu!chopin.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 26 Nov 1994 10:45:47 -0500 Organization: Broken Toys Unlimited Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3b7l7b$l6d@chopin.udel.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: chopin.udel.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : :Needed: The perfect Windows 3.x icon for MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. Should [stuff deleted] :No frogs of any kind will be considered, nor (but not necessarily) any [stuff deleted] So the no frog rule, is this because we want kermit to appears more ``professional'' or is it to avoid and form of lawsuit (or both)? :(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit : will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Isn't this the naming scheme that all of us TeX/LaTeX users have grown to love when it comes to Knuth's TeX engine. Hey, couldn't hurt here too! 8) --Jerry -- |> Jerry Alexandratos ** "vengo de la tierra del <| |> darkstar@strauss.udel.edu ** fuego ten cuidado cuando <| |> darkstar@canary.pearson.udel.edu ** llamas mi nombre..." <| From news@columbia.edu Sat Nov 26 20:10:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07555 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 15:14:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news2.near.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 20:10:39 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 32 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. (etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit 3.13, patch level 17, and do this: MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... Unable to contact the host. The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. ?Cannot start the connection. MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com MS-Kermit>connect Resolving address of host indirect.com ... trying name indirect.com Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com ?Cannot start the connection MS-Kermit> I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. --- Jim Monty monty@indirect.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 02:08:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19475 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21017 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 26 Nov 1994 21:08:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jrd From: jrd@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Joe R. Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,indirect.help.slip.ppp Subject: Re: [?] PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 Date: 27 Nov 1994 02:08:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 55 Message-Id: <3b8pmk$kgn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >I am able load the PPP packet driver from Merit Network, Inc. >(etherppp.exe, version 1.9.37 beta) and successfully make a connection to >my Internet service provider. Once connected, I start MS-DOS Kermit >3.13, patch level 17, and do this: > >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip 165.247.1.10 >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host 165.247.1.10 ... > > Unable to contact the host. > The host may be down or a gateway may be needed. >?Cannot start the connection. >MS-Kermit>set port tcp/ip indirect.com >MS-Kermit>connect > Resolving address of host indirect.com ... > trying name indirect.com > Cannot read name server 165.247.1.3 > Cannot resolve address of host indirect.com >?Cannot start the connection >MS-Kermit> > >I _can_ successfully connect using the SLIP driver SLIP8250. Is it not >possible to use PPP instead of SLIP with MS-DOS Kermit? If it is >possible, how can I determine what is causing the problem? > >Any suggestions or assistance will be greatly appreciated. ------------------ PPP is, um, a Point to Point protocol. Only two stations on such links, this one and the other one. Thus the only way off the wire is through the "other one." This in turn implies two important things: 1. ARP doesn't work or even apply because that's a physical layer broadcast to obtain the physical address of other stations on the wire (having the same IP "network" number but different IP "host" numbers). 2. All, and that means ALL, stations are reached via the "other one", and hence the "other one" is the IP Gateway for all outbound traffic. 2 corollary. The IP network is confined to two stations, us and the "other end." Thus the wire can hold 165.247.1.us and 165.247.1.them and that's it. All other stations must be on a different IP network number and reached via the "other end" as a gateway. This includes name servers etc. The "other end" must be prepared as an IP router, or else you will need to log into the other end and create a Telnet session there which goes onward. I'm happy to hear that you got the Merit PPP driver to work at all. It hangs my machine during its startup every time I'm tried it, well before Kermit is started. I have no idea of what's inside that serial driver or how it really represents itself to programs (it hangs my machine...). So, I suggest you talk with your service provider about IP numbers of your link and tell Kermit about the gateway IP number and proper subnet mask. Nameservers can be anywhere in the world. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 17:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19898 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18771 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 12:21:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!aloha.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@aloha.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.sys.palmtops,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP: HP95 Kermit Date: 27 Nov 1994 17:21:08 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3baf64$iah@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: aloha-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.sys.palmtops:19572 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1228 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3babi9$3j0@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>, Hajo Brunne wrote: |i want to use kermit for filetransfer from HP to unix (ckermit) | |I run ckermit on unix in server mode, but i can not send multiple |files (c:\_dat\*.txt or something like that), the send command |in the HP built in option will not allow me to select more than one |file. | |The other way starting HP95LX kermit in server mode and trying to |get more than one file by a get command from ckermit fails also | |i.e get c:\123\*.wk1 results in an error: | |File does not exist! | |Transfering one file only or using wildcards in c:\ |(i.e. get c:\*.*) works fine! Is HP's Software buggy? Seeing as how the HP95 is essentially an XT-compatible computer, I would download MS-Kermit 3.13 from ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit. Lean, fast program; rock-solid terminal emulation and (more importantly) the definitive implementation of the Kermit protocol. I've crossposted this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc for more info. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|The Celestial Kingdom has Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Sun Nov 27 19:53:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29610 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:54:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!usc!nic-nac.CSU.net!jupiter!cselkin From: cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu (Carl Selkin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: delete Date: 27 Nov 1994 19:53:03 GMT Organization: Information Resources and Technology Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3bao2v$knf@nic-nac.CSU.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: jupiter.calstatela.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I cant seem to delete in vt100 emulation. When I hook up, I can delete letters, but after the link is established I cannot delete. Can anyone help me? -- -Eli Selkin C/O Carl Selkin Acting Dean of the School of Arts and Letters Please Respond to me (e-MAIL ADDRESS ): cselkin@jupiter.calstatela.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 07:59:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29635 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24855 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 05:13:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!highway.LeidenUniv.nl!rulxho!VDK From: vdk%rulxho@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu (Peter - INL) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 07:59:27 GMT Organization: Institute for Dutch Lexicology Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Reply-To: VDK@RULXHO.LeidenUniv.NL Nntp-Posting-Host: rulxho.leidenuniv.nl Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Kermit people, I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? FYI: MS-Kermit 3.13, patch level 12 Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) Parity: none, databits: 8, one stopbit MS-DOS 6.0 Computer: Compaq Contura 4/25 Hope someone can put a light on this problem. Thanks! Peter van der Kamp vdk@rulxho.leidenuniv.nl From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 11:40:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 06:40:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!uunet!news.inhouse.compuserve.com!news.compuserve.com!news From: Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 11:40:02 GMT Organization: Eu-Log-System Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Help ... Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the filed ?? Any comment is appreciated. Thanks's in advance, Hans Rehfeld From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:22:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03443 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04877 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:30:30 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!concert!news.wfu.edu!matthews From: matthews@wfu.edu (Rick Matthews) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:22:34 GMT Organization: Wake Forest University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bcliq$k76@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu> References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: acg60.wfunet.wfu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu John G. Miles (jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu) wrote: : Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using : MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the : university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics : graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) : to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed : without problem. : However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I : prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my : graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the : tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an : IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. You application may not generate the necessary codes to invoke the Tektronix mode. Here is the sequence of codes I have my applications send to invoke Tek emulation on a variety of emulators. It is a bit more than MS-Kermit needs, but will work with MS-Kermit, NCSA Telnet, and Xterm (on an X server). All codes in decimal: 27,91,63,51,56,104,27,12 Try launching your application from a script file that first sends the above codes. If you need any help in generating the above codes, let me know. -- Rick Matthews matthews@wfu.edu Ham radio: Wake Forest University 910-759-5340 (Voice) WA4GSP Winston-Salem, NC 27109-7507 910-759-6142 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 13:50:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04317 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:50:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Date: 28 Nov 1994 13:50:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3bcn7r$627@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.leidenuniv.nl>, Peter - INL wrote: > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN > machine). The terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as > Pine, NN and Lynx, my screen becomes a mess. I think because they use > reverse video codes. With 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another > guy on this group had the same kind of problem and he was advised to set > flow control to rts/cts. I tried this too, but it didn't help. I tried a > lot of other things like reliable link with compression, reliable link > without compression, flow control none, flow control xon/xoff, flow > control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal to VT 100, but the problem > still exists. The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and > [27m. Is there a way to let Kermit interpret these sequences > correctly? > Kermit does interpret these sequences correctly, as all of its users will testify. I, for one, use it every day in exactly the same environment as you (dialup thru high-speed modem to a Sun, running applications like trn, Lynx, MM, and EMACS) and it works perfectly. So something else must be wrong. Are you sure that Kermit and the Sun are both set to the same terminal type (vt220)? Does your PC have a buffered UART? If not, then you probably should not try to use interface speeds above a certain level, depending on (a) how fast your CPU is, and (b) whether your PC is running DOS or Windows. If you are running Kermit under Windows, you REALLY need a buffered UART. > What must be the settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun > machine? > Flow control is probably the correct answer. Remember, flow control is a game that needs two players. Telling Kermit to "set flow rts/cts" is not enough -- you have to tell your modem to do it too. > Modem: Victory 14400E (14K4) > I never heard of this kind of modem, so I can't tell you how to operate it. My best advice is: 1. Get MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch. Install according to directions in the top-level READ.ME file. 2. Look at one of our high-speed modem dialing scripts in the MODEMS subdirectory; say, ZYXEL.SCR. Sit down with your Victory modem manual and adapt the script to use Victory modem commands. Assuming your modem works right, this will ensure that Kermit and the modem have optimal settings for each other. If you wind up with a good dialing script, you might want to post it for the benefit of other Victory modem users. Also, be sure to read the KERMIT.BWR file that comes on the diskette -- it contains troubleshooting instructions for just about every imagineable problem. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 09:02:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit AS400 implementation ??? Date: 28 Nov 1994 14:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bcnt4$6v8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: AS/400 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcfii$mgq$1@mhadf.production.compuserve.com>, Helmut Stoecklin <100303.1604@CompuServe.COM> wrote: > Is there a Kermit implementation for a IBM AS400 out in the field? > Of all the computers and operating systems in the world, there are only a couple for which nobody has ever written any Kermit software, and the AS/400 (and its predecessors, the Systems /34, /36, and /38) is one of them. Evidently this line of computers must be very hard to program; from what little I know about them, everything is "different" -- the text character set (it's not ASCII), the file system (probably record- oriented), the communication methods (some kind of bizarre proprietary "twinax" block-mode affair). But we have hurdled such obstacles before in the IBM mainframe world, thus we have the experience and know what is required. We get this question frequently, so there is definitely a big demand. But we do not have an AS/400 ourselves for development, and even if we did, we don't have a programmer to do the work. Back in the early days of the Kermit project, there were dozens of sites developing Kermit software for every imagineable platform. Maybe it's time to revive that early spirit. Anybody who is seriously interested in developing a Kermit program for the AS/400 (or porting an existing program, such as C-Kermit) should contact me. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 16:10:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26316 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:34:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!calvin.cc.duq.edu!SIMEONE From: SIMEONE@calvin.cc.duq.edu (Simeone Stephen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 16:10:03 GMT Organization: Duquesne University, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: calvin.cc.duq.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2 [VAX/VMS]] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to use it instead. Thanks ! -- __ _-==-=_,-. /--`' \_@-@.--< Stephen R. Simeone `--'\ \ <___/. \ \\ " / PROJECT GENESIS >=\\_/`< Center for Communications and Technology ____ /= | \_|/ Duquesne University _' `\ _/=== \___/ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. USA = -_ __/=================================================================== From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 19:43:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01092 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:43:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Super Kermit Date: 28 Nov 1994 19:43:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bdbsi$o3l@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bcvcr$beg@godot.cc.duq.edu>, Simeone Stephen wrote: >Could anyone please give me any information on Super Kermit. I'm not >familiar with it - but if it's superior to regular Kermit, I'd like to >use it instead. Sorry, but SuperKermit is just a non-Columbia University implementation of sliding windows protocol. The best Kermit protocols are those included within MS-DOS Kermit 3.14, C-Kermit 5A(190), and VM/CMS Kermit (version ?). These packages implement sliding windows, extended length packets, WHATAMI negotiation, and RESEND for binary files. - Jeff Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 20:52:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09974 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09297 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:52:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.cais.com!cais.cais.com!pifer From: pifer@cais.cais.com () Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 28 Nov 1994 20:52:18 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3avsfs$iq2@news.cais.com>, pifer@cais2.cais.com () writes: >>>From: darkstar@chopin.udel.edu (Jerry Alexandratos) >>>4) Terminals and Terminalr don't exist anymore. Check the *.upd and >>> *.bwr files. Their funcionality has been replace by using apc command >>> codes. If you look at the C-Kermit ini files, you will see a bunch >>> of macros that use apc to send sequences down to the pc to do >>> ``one-sided'' file transfers. >> >> I have looked up the apc in the kermit.upd but have not come upon how to >> set it correctly on the PC side. There are examples on to do that same on >> the host side but do not relate equivalently. I also do not have .ini >> files where they are defined. Do you have any examples of such? > SET TERMINAL APC ? to see the only thing one can do on the clients. > It's that simple this time. The host's APC command has the text strings > (client Kermit commands) to be executed on the client. Creative folks may > wish to invoke macros on the client, and have those macros defined on the > client rather than sending long strings from the host. > Joe D. When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of the mskermit.ini file: define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, FINISH, CONNECT The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we have to get V 189? Darren Pifer Code 431 - NAVMASSO Phone: (804) 523-8098 E-mail: pifer@cais.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Nov 28 14:46:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18463 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:30:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSK 3.13 tektronics terminal emulation w/ vt320 mode.A Message-Id: <1994Nov28.204615.33951@cc.usu.edu> Date: 28 Nov 94 20:46:15 MDT References: <1994Nov3.223304.31997@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 50 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , "John G. Miles" writes: > Sorry if this is an obvious question, but I have been using > MSKermit 3.13 on a 486/DX33 and often connect to my computer at the > university to run graphics programs which support the tektronics > graphics terminal. If I set Kermit (before entering terminal mode) > to emulate the tektronics terminal, then the graphics are displayed > without problem. > > However, if I set my terminal to VT320 (which I > prefer since I also use the Unix system extensively besides my > graphics needs) and then enter terminal mode with the "c" command, the > tektronics mode is *not* automatically invoked when the Unix box (an > IBM RS/6000 system) starts sending the tektronics graphics commands. > It *does* seem to try (i.e., I get the little square cursor), but > immediately begins echoing the ascii text, itself, of the graphics > commands. Once I return to VT320 emulation mode, I no longer get > anything readable, but rather my color monitor displays solid > multi-colored gibberish (though I can tell that the keystrokes I type > are still getting through to the Unix box). I end up having to type > "exit" as normal (even though the echo to my screen is the gibberish as > indicated above) and redial the Unix box in VT320 mode. > > I've looked over the on-line documentation, and believe that I > understand correctly the fact that the tektronics emulation is > seemless when using the VT320 emulation mode. But everything I've > tried has been unsuccessful. > > Is it at all possible that the problem sits on my end (e.g., my video > card which is a Trident SVGA)? I'm not Kermit-proficient so any > pointers, however basic, would be helpful. Please e-mail me personally > as well as posting to the newsgroup as I don't get to read the news as > often as I'd like). > > --John Miles > jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu ---------- I recall replying to you privately John. I can't help from the above description alone. The Kermit documentation explains which commands in VT320 mode will trigger a change to Tek mode, and it's a necessarily restrictive set. ESC Control-L (ESCape Form Feed) is the most common mode, meaning Tek screen clear. ESC [ ? 38 h will too, as will starting a DEC Sixel graphics command. My suggestion is to capture a sample session to a log file via LOG SESSION filename. Then send me the uuencoded file with commentary on what should have happened when so I can dig into the bits. I will also repeat a warning which results from seeing those funny colored blobs in VT320 mode. It is to never let anything use video memory, A000-BFFF, because it's video territory. I will guess that you may have let a memory manager sneak down there by mistake. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 00:33:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:25:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!eff!news.umbc.edu!haven.umd.edu!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 00:33:35 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 7 Message-Id: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? Is there a script that does this? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 06:00:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15633 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02280 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:22:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 06:00:44 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 07:37:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16428 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:50:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!news.uoregon.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!news.u.washington.edu!wirt From: wirt@u.washington.edu (Brian Wirt) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 07:37:43 GMT Organization: University of Washington Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: stein2.u.washington.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello all, It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, the time is here yet again. My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about 200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain this speed or even better? Please respond via email, and thanks for any replies! -- Brian Wirt wirt@u.washington.edu Seattle, Washington From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:02:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26425 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:02:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-DOS 3.1.3 problems Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:02:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3bfc8p$e68@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdfu2$qe6@news.cais.com>, wrote: > When we used V 3.11 we set up two macros for two purposes: 1) to > download a file using the terminalr define and 2) to download a file > and execute a local PC application. The following two lines are out of > the mskermit.ini file: > > define terminalr RECEIVE, CONNECT > define terminals RECEIVE graph.dat, RUN type graph.dat | grafdraw.exe, > FINISH, CONNECT > > The first define, it appears, can be easily be done by the new > built-in command. However, I do not see how the second would be done. > You can do absolutely anything with APC, but there are always risks when computer A lets applications on computer B issue commands to it. That's why we have three levels of security on APCs. By default, they are not allowed at all, for paranoia's sake, since almost any command, when issued maliciously, might be harmful. So the MS-DOS Kermit user must issue "set terminal apc on" to enable the APC mechanism at all. This is a change from version 3.13, where TERMINAL APC was ON by default, due to user feedback. However, TERMINAL APC ON only allows what are deemed "safe" commands (such as file transfer commands), and disallows commands that are by their very nature unsafe (such as DELETE and RUN). That's why your second example doesn't work. To allow RUN commands in APCs, the MS-DOS Kermit user must SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED, which is obviously risky. There is, however, still a TERMINALR/TERMINALS-like mechanism in MS-DOS Kermit, namely the PRODUCT macro, which allows the host application to invoke a user-defined macro, and even pass arguments to it. See pages 181-182 of "Using MS-DOS Kermit". >Also, does C-Kermit V 188 contain the APC command set or will we >have to get V 189? > Any application can issue an APC command. It just sends ESC, underscore, text, ESC, backslash. In C-Kermit 5A(188) you can easily define a macro to do this: define apc echo \27_\%1\27\92 which you can use like this: apc { first command, second command, etc } Of course it's always better to run an up-to-date version of C-Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:05:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26668 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:37 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:05:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:05:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. > If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:16:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27228 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16030 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:16:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:16:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 32 Message-Id: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeffrey Hurwit wrote: > I have a pair of scripts (one on the host, one on my PC) for > downloading a compressed backup archive. I usually keep terminal > apc set to on, but need it to be set to unchecked for this one > script. I was able to do this automatically with MS-Kermit 3.13, > because it would accept a 'set term apc unchecked' command sent as > an apc from the host. With 3.14, trying to do this produces a > '?Word "unchecked" not usable here' error. Isn't this a little bit > too much security? Can someone suggest a workaround (besides > manually changing the settings, which defeats the point of having a > script to do it all automatically)? TIA for your help, > We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from malicious attacks. If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, then there would *be* no security. On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less than disaster. You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back to ON afterwards. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:21:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27500 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16414 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:21:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Optimizing speed using C-Kermit Date: 29 Nov 1994 14:21:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 180 Message-Id: <3bfdco$g07@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3belo7$aqc@nntp1.u.washington.edu>, Brian Wirt wrote: >It's been quite a long time since I've had to use kermit to transfer >files from a remote Unix machine to my home PC and vice-versa, but alas, >the time is here yet again. > >My problem is that I can't remember exactly what options I used to >optimize download speed. I seem to recall setting the packet length or >something. If anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I remember >two or three things I used to type that would boost the speed from about >200 CPS to 900 CPS on a 14.4k modem. Can anyone tell me how to obtain >this speed or even better? > Reposting (and slightly updating): Path: news.columbia.edu!usenet From: fdc@fdc.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [HELP] Slow Kermit Transfer ?! Date: 19 Sep 1994 14:15:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 153 Keywords: Kermit, Performance, Slow, Fast In article <35jrgsINNdq2@newsman.csu.murdoch.edu.au> anson@csuvax1.csu.murdoch.edu.au (Binh Anson) writes: > I used Kermit 3.13 for my PC, my modem has a speed of 14.4 K, but I found > that the downloading rate from the mainframe to my PC was still very slow! > I tried Telix with SZ (Z-Modem Protocol), and it was very fast compared to > Kermit. Is there a way to accelerate Kermit transfer ? > Yes. But first, welcome to comp.protocols.kermit.misc. This is the first day of operation of this unmoderated newsgroup. I hope it will prove beneficial to all Kermit users. To answer your question, somewhat longwindedly, since this Question is Asked so Frequently :-) ... Zmodem is optimized for speed on the assumption that it has a clear 8-bit transparent channel with no blockages (small buffers, etc), and so, out of the box, when it works it goes fast. The tradeoff is that it often does not work at all, in which case you have to configure it in various ways -- escaping of control characters, changing window size, etc. In some cases it can't be made to work at all, either because of the nature of the connection, or because of one or both of the computers on the two ends. Kermit, on the other hand, is configured to work -- i.e. transfer files -- out of the box, even under hostile conditions. By default, it does not assume that control characters pass through transparently, nor that large buffers are available. It does not even assume a full-duplex connection. The tradeoff is speed. In a perfect world, there would be no tradeoffs, but the world is far from perfect. 7-bit transmission is still extremely common, small buffers are very common, even in modern terminal servers and other communications processors, flow control is rarely implemented correctly and effectively, telephone lines are still noisy, and we still have a bewildering array of communication methods needed for accessing different kinds of hosts and services. Most PCs are still shipped with non-buffered UARTs; many PCs have interrupt conflicts, noisy buses, etc; many modern modems are buggy. The list goes on. This is by way of demonstrating that Kermit's default tuning is not crazy, and goes a long way towards explaining its justified reputation for dependability. Unfortunately, because of the tradeoffs necessary to achieve its reliability, Kermit has a reputation for slowness: Yes, Kermit transfers are slow if you use the default tuning. However, you can make Kermit go as fast the communication path will permit by changing a few parameters. But first, here are some general principles that apply to all communications software: 1. Ensure that you have an effective means of flow control enabled at every juncture along the communication path (this applies to any file transfer protocol). For example, when using high-speed, error-correcting modems, you should use some form of hardware flow control, most commonly RTS/CTS. You have to tell the software to use it, AND you have to tell the modem to use it too -- if the flow control methods of the PC and the modem do not agree, then data will be lost. 2. If your modem is capable of data compression, use it. Fix the interface speed of the software to four times the connection speed if possible -- e.g. for a V.32bis 14400 bps connection, use an interface speed of 57600, or else the modem's compression capacity is likely to be wasted. 3. On network connections (e.g. TCP/IP), it is usually best to turn off flow control entirely, because the underlying networking method supplies fully effective flow control. Now, to make Kermit go fast, follow these steps: 1. Use real Kermit software, not the many shareware and commercial packages, most of whose Kermit protocol implementations lack the performance features listed below and/or the means for the user to control them. 2. Use long packets. Kermit's default packet length is 94. You can increase it to a theoretical maximum of 9024. Give the following command to the file receiver: SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000 ; (or other length) The longer you make the packets, the more efficient the file transfer will be... IF IT WORKS. If you make packets longer than some buffer somewhere along the line, and effective flow control is lacking, the transfer might not work. Also, the longer the packet, the greater the chance it will be hit by noise, and the longer it takes to retransmit. 3. On full duplex connections, use sliding windows. Sliding windows allow packets to be transmitted in a continuous stream, rather than "stop and wait" style. The command is: SET WINDOW 4 ; (or other number) The maximum is 32 (or less, depending on the implementation). Give this command to *both* Kermit programs. For text files and uncompressed binary files, this should give you very good performance -- efficiencies in the 85%-100% range. For compressed files, and certain other types of binary files, you can squeeze out another 20-25% efficiency by telling Kermit not to prefix a given list of control characters. A typical sequence might be: SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL ; Unprefix all control characters. SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 13 129 141 ... ; Add back prefixes for these. This requires a lot of trial and error because there is no way that a communication software program can know what characters are safe and which ones are not on a particular connection. For example, you might be going through an X.25 PAD where Ctrl-P will pop you back to the PAD prompt. Or you might be going through a TELNET terminal server where Ctrl-] or Ctrl-^ will pop you back to the terminal server prompt. Or the connection might be using Xon/Xoff flow control, and sending Ctrl-S as a data character might freeze the connection. If you take all of these steps, using optimal packet lengths, window sizes, and unprefixing, you should achieve transfer rates comparable to, and often better than, the Zmodem implementations that you find in Telix, Procomm, and similar shareware and commercial packages; for example, on a V.32bis/V.42/V.42bis connection, RTS/CTS flow control, no parity, 57600 bps interface speed: Typical text files: 3500 cps (characters per second) Uncompressed binary files: 2400 cps (e.g. PC KERMIT.EXE) Compressed files: 1600 cps (e.g. ZIP files) These figures come from Kermit News #5, June 1993, which is available via anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, file newsn5.txt (ASCII) or newsn5.ps (PostScript). Also see newsn4.txt (.ps) for a detailed discussion of long packets and sliding windows. Kermit software is available via anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2], directory kermit and its subdirectories. There are literally hundreds of different Kermit programs for *almost* every machine and operating system imaginable. The most widely used Kermit programs are: . MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 for DOS and Windows. No, this is not a native Windows application, but yes, this is the Kermit software we recommend for Windows. File: kermit/archives/msvib.zip. MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip. Unzip with "-d" switch. . C-Kermit 5A(190) for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS, the Commodore Amiga, etc. UNIX: kermit/archives/cku190.tar.Z (or .gz) VMS: Get kermit/f/ckvaaa.hlp, read it, take it from there. OS/2: kermit/archives/cko190.zip. Others: Get kermit/f/ckaaaa.hlp, read it, go from there. . IBM Mainframe Kermit-370 for VM/CMS, MVS/TSO, CICS, and MUSIC. kermit/b/ik*.*. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 20:10:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25594 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 94 20:10:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 12 Message-Id: Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here is a weird MS-DOS Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug: MS-Kermit>set duplex f MS-Kermit>set duplex f The first time "f" properly expands to "full ", but the second time it expands to "full\13". How's that for an esoteric one? By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? Thank you, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 14:39:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23277 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:57:21 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!wpfulmor From: wpfulmor@netcom.com (william p fulmor) Subject: Re: C-KERMIT 5A(190) Message-Id: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3aqkgi$5q8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:39:55 GMT Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : We will have to round up a new Kermit binary for the AT&T 7300. : Until then, we kept the old one there rather than having none at all. : If you build one yourself (using one of the many AT&T-specific C-Kermit : makefile entries), you could submit it yourself; otherwise I'll see : where else I can get one made. (No, we do not have an example of every : computer in the world here at Columbia, so we "must rely on the kindness : of others"... : - Frank To the unknown (to me) person who placed the 3B1 Kermit binaries for 5A(190) in kermit/bin: THANK YOU Enjoy. Bill From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:33:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00484 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20019 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 17:33:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta-14 command-line editing bug Date: 29 Nov 1994 22:33:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bga8d$jhe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , >... >By the way, do others fail or succeed when running 3.14/Beta-14 over >NET14.EXE or TNGLASS.EXE? > Yes. This will be fixed in Beta-15. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 22:21:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05925 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 18:53:00 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!cornhead From: cornhead@netcom.com (Jeff Miller) Subject: Need interactive Kermit to exit completely on modem disconnect Message-Id: Followup-To: poster Sender: cornhead@netcom.com Organization: Netcom Online Communications Services (408-241-9760 login: guest) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:21:19 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I run kermit on my UNIX system as a replacement for tip. I typically start up kermit "from the keyboard", the .kermrc points it at my modem attached to one of my machine's serial ports, I type "c" to connect to the modem and it's straightforward terminal interaction from their. When I log out of my remote host and my modem disconnects, I am bounced back to the the local Kermit> prompt. Fine for many years. But now I would like to use that same line and modem for uucp dial-outs and dial-ins as well. I could quit Kermit, and kermit would remove its lock files and give up the line and I'd be all set. But I've been doing that for months now, and seem to forget to exit Kermit explicitely all too often. It would be nice if Kermit automatically exited gracefully on loss of carrier detect: nicer still (I think?) if it relinquished the tty line and removed its lock but did not exit upon loss of carrier. Can I configure kermit to behave this way? If not "out of the box", any pointers toward hacking a solution? I'd bet there's a one-line solution. Thanks in advance! -Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 00:14:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10696 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05465 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:07:48 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!nntp.crl.com!usenet From: Marco Papa Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Long packets Date: 30 Nov 1994 00:14:21 GMT Organization: CRL Dialup Internet Access Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3bgg4t$jav@nntp.crl.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: crl2.crl.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am looking for informatioin on implementation of Kermit long packets. Where should I look at? Thanks. -- Marco Papa From news@columbia.edu Tue Nov 29 21:52:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11455 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:21:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!uhog.mit.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!cs.umd.edu!jujube.cs.umd.edu!rgc From: rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 29 Nov 1994 21:52:01 GMT Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jujube.cs.umd.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : In article <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu>, : Ross Garrett Cutler wrote: : >Anyone know how to redial until you get a connect in kermit? : >Is there a script that does this? Thanks. : > : If you are talking about MS-DOS Kermit, all you need to do is : install it according to instructions. The DIAL macro that is : supplied in the standard MSKERMIT.INI file, together with the : appropriate dialing script, does redial automatically. Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. -- Ross Cutler University of Maryland, College Park Internet: rgc@cs.umd.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:12:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA18187 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: Yeechang Lee Newsgroups: news.newusers.questions,comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Assorted MS-Kermit questions Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:12:27 -0500 Organization: Columbia University Lines: 86 Message-Id: References: <3beh0j$dm5@news.sas.ab.ca> <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Sender: ycl6@sawasdee.cc.columbia.edu In-Reply-To: <199411300248.VAA06939@acmez.gatech.edu> Xref: news.columbia.edu news.newusers.questions:41077 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1252 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu On Tue, 29 Nov 1994 gt7611a@prism.gatech.edu wrote: > The only complaint I have, is > that you cannot scroll back like you can with some other packages. (Or can > you? I don't know how.) First, make sure you're running the latest version (3.13 is the latest production version; 3.14 is in solid beta. Both are available at ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit, or http://kermit.columbia.edu/) To turn screen rollback on, put SET TERM ROLLBACK ON in your mscustom.ini file. Then put SET ROLLBACK xxxx (where xxxx=# between 1 and 8000) to govern how many screens will be remembered. By default, the grey PageUp and PageDown keys will be used to scroll up and down--if you don't like this, you can redefine the keys. > I use GSZ, a Zmodem implementation, to download files -- I find it faster > than Kermit. On the other hand, I have frequently had difficulty > downloading using Zmodem, and then I download the same file effortlessly, > although more slowly, using Kermit. Why is it more robust? Kermit is a very cautious protocol. It "escapes" or sort of specially-marks all unusual control characters so they'll cross any link, whether a dialup to a BBS, dialup to a university Unix system through a terminal server, or whatever. (This is one of the reasons for Kermit's slower performance compared to Zmodem.) By contrast, ZModem was originally designed for 8-bit clean lines (e.g., the kind of connection you get calling a BBS over the phone). It escapes no control characters at all (though this can be changed--see your ZModem docs). You can experiment with only escaping the control characters on Kermit that cause problems for your system; this will help your throughput a lot. Get the Kermit 3.14 beta--it has a document, PERFORM.DOC, that details all this and more. > * I have heard, and you mention the same, that Kermit is only marginally > slower than Zmodem "if the settings are right". I have tweaked the packet > sizes, but I'm really only shooting in the dark. I have seen faster > transfers with longer packets, and my Unix machine, from which I sometimes > down / upload, prompts me to change BLOCKS. What are all these > parameters, and what do I set them to? (And how do I know that is what I > need to set them to?) Blocks, for Kermit, refer to checksum schemes. Type SET BLOCK 3 on both your side and on the university's side; it'll help accuracy. The 3.14 beta makes big improvements on all these fronts--not only is there the PERFORM.DOC, plus more discussion of this "Most Frequently Asked Question" in the main documentation (KERMIT.HLP, KERMIT.BWR), but there are also some basic macros that will set things to go a lot faster than normal automatically. > * I currently PUSH out of Kermit, and then run a batch file to download > using Zmodem. It works fine, but is cumbersome. I have had many problems > uploading, though, and I have a feeling it may be due to the PUSHing. Is > there a way to use Zmodem straight out of Kermit's bowels? What Zmodem > protocol implementation do you use? Is there a freeware version? (Where > do I find it?) Yes. I have these lines in my mscustom.ini file; define rz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha on port 1 G rz -mrr define sz run c:\kermit\dsz\dsz.exe F ha both port 1 G sz -Q^ -m \%1 \%2, Type the above lines _exactly_, including the case; just substitute in the filepath of your ZModem program (I'd recommend you find and use dsz.exe; it's quicker than gsz.com or dsz.com.). The '-Q^' is required on my system to escape a control code that causes problems for my server; it tells ZModem to escape ASCII code 30, '^^'. It probably won't be the same with your system; take that part out and see how things work out. Talk to your sysadmins about what control characters need to be escaped on uploads and downloads. Anyways, with these commands you can just type 'sz xyz.txt' and 'rz' to up/download right from the MS-Kermit command line. > I look forward to hearing from you soon. Hope this helps. I'll also crosspost this to comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Kermit HQ on Usenet. -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 05:51:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03447 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10676 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:58:41 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: MSKerm 3.14 BETA 14- APC security too strong? Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:51:00 GMT Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bfd3p$fkg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: >We get this complaint a lot, but there is no easy solution. There is >a basic conflict between the need for host-directed operations such >as your script and the need to protect all MS-DOS Kermit users from >malicious attacks. >If SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED could be issued by the host application, >then there would *be* no security. >On balance, I think most would agree that inconvenience weighs less >than disaster. >You should think of SET TERMINAL APC UNCHECKED the same way you think >about passwords. You don't put passwords in scripts because the risk >far outweighs the convenience. Thus whenever you run your login >script, you have it prompt you for your password. Similarly, you shoul >SET TERM APC UNCHECKED before running your script and then put it back >to ON afterwards. Um, ok, I can accept this argument as far as it goes. But, problem is, if a macro or take file is invoked with an apc command, any "unsafe" operations called for in those are also disabled. So, while I can understand wanting to protect some innocent user from a malicious script or some such, what about having apc commands invoke scripts that others are unlikely to know about? Example: The script on my host account sends a compressed backup file, backup.tgz, as backup.tmp. The script on my PC receives the transfer and, *if the transfer succeeds*, deletes the already existing backup.tgz and renames backup.tmp to backup.tgz. Would an option to set apc unchecked for scripts only make any sense? If not, I guess I could always put the command in a macro and then bind it to a key... Jeff From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 20:49:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17561 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:18:51 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!newsgate.watson.ibm.com!watnews.watson.ibm.com!bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com!news From: timur@vnet.ibm.com (Timur Tabi) Subject: can't get this script to work Sender: news@bocanews.bocaraton.ibm.com (News Admin ID) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:49:09 GMT Lines: 16 Nntp-Posting-Host: timur.bocaraton.ibm.com Organization: IBM Boca Raton X-Newsreader: NetSuite News for OS/2 [version: 3.4beta] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that comes in. Here's the script: telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 -- Timur "too sexy for my code" Tabi, timur@vnet.ibm.com, using UltiMail/2 Speaking as a member of Team OS/2, not as an IBM'er MMPM/2 MIDI Device Drivers From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 03:27:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28992 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:52 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:27:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: can't get this script to work Date: 1 Dec 1994 03:27:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3bjfrl$sum@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Timur Tabi wrote: >I'm using ckermit for OS/2 as a telnet substitute so I can use the scripting >feature to automate logins. Unfortunately, it's not working. The "telnet" >line is executed, but the "input" line doesn't see the "login:" text that >comes in. > >Here's the script: > >telnet tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com >input 10 login: >output timur\13 > Use: set host tollbooth2.cwp.ibm.com input 10 login: output timur\13 connect Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 18:16:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29750 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01287 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:46 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!news.ultranet.com!newsie.dmc.com!spdcc!hsdndev!cfanews!cheimets From: cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) Subject: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Sender: news@cfanews.harvard.edu Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL0] Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:16:01 GMT Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file in 28 seconds). Is that fast? What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. thanks -- Peter Cheimets Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory ,__o- Smithsonian Institution _-\_<, 60 Garden St. (*)/'(*)- Cambridge, MA 01238 cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (617)495-7384 X134 (voice) (617)495-7098 (FAX) From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 01:32:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01001 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03532 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:10:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!news.duke.edu!concert!bigblue.oit.unc.edu!lla From: lla@med.unc.edu (Lance Arnder) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Autodialing Script? Date: 30 Nov 1994 01:32:46 GMT Organization: UNC-CH School of Medicine Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: jason.med.unc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call failed 'line BUSY'") - therefore I can't test to see if the line I'm dialing is busy. I realize that this is a solved problem but it is frustrating me beyond its importance. Thanks a priori, Lance Arnder Imaging Physics Laboratory, Duke University Dept. of Radiology, UNC-CH From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 22:54:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19556 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01552 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:03:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: C-Kermit weirdness Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:54:07 GMT Lines: 51 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I wrote a C-Kermit script for someone here at work to log onto a machine via modem and send a mail and then log back off to minimize the time on the modem. A command procedure (DCL) builds the commands that get executed by C-Kermit. To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like ":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is a test I performed that gives me the same error. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {123},show macro arglist} 1=(123) 2=() 3=() arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} ?No keywords match - glist ----------------------------- I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate this weirdness? Also I noticed that my version of C-Kermit doesn't perform a LF when it does its first output (the above was slightly edited). It really would have looked like this on my screen. C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>def arglist echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) 1=(123) 2=() 3=()ess {arglist {123},show macro arglist} ------------------------ Where after the "def arglist..." I did the same "xif" as shown above. I imagine this is a small bug and not big deal to fix. Just wanted to point it out. Thanks for your help in advance. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:23:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20479 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:23:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!fonorola!alpha.vaxxine.com!pcbrad.vaxxine.com!brad From: brad@vaxxine.com (Brad Bell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Discard Date Question. Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:19:42 UNDEFINED Organization: Public Access at Vaxxine Computer Systems Lines: 9 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pcbrad.vaxxine.com X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? Thanks in advance.... Brad. From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 17:50:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04090 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:41:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!convex!constellation!news.uoknor.edu!news.ualr.edu!news.ach.uams.edu!news From: bruce@mail.uams.edu (Bruce Hulsey) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 30 Nov 1994 17:50:41 GMT Organization: UAMS-Computing Services Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 144.30.1.66 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.91.6 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Greetings! We're currently running C-Kermit 5a(189) under OpenVMS 1.5. We have a number of users who are using older versions of Persoft's comm programs SmarTerm 220 and SmarTerm 240 on their pc's. Unfortunately, these programs' implementations of kermit don't work properly when trying to GET a file from C-Kermit when it is in server mode. Every other kermit file transfer appears to work ok between SmarTerm and C-Kermit, i.e., interactive (non-server mode) send/receive operations work fine in both directions. SEND transfers with C-Kermit in server mode seems to work ok as well. Only GETs from C-Kermit fail. I understand from a post that I received from Frank da Cruz regarding this that many comm packages simply don't follow the kermit protocol the way they should, but I'd still like to try to get it to work if possible. I do have packet logs from attempted GET transfers using SmarTerm 240 (which doesn't work) and SmarTerm 340 (which does work), and SmarTerm 240 does send a strange packet up front which SmarTerm 340 does not (the strange packet is #N3 ). Quite a few users are a little concerned about this since everything worked fine before we moved from Kermit-32 version 3.3.111 on a VAX to C-Kermit on an Alpha processor. If anyone has found a workaround for this problem, please let me know. At this point, I don't want to tell everyone they have to upgrade their comm software or switch them over to something else, but I suppose that I will if I have to... Also, I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a 'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? All help is greatly appreciated...thanks! Bruce Hulsey Univ. of Arkansas for Medical Sciences bruce@mail.uams.edu bbhulsey@life.uams.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 13:30:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.clark.net!reichera From: reichera@clark.net (A. Reichert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 13:30:41 GMT Organization: Clark Internet Services, Inc., Ellicott City, MD USA Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkj61$r5j@clarknet.clark.net> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: clark.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Peter Cheimets (cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu) wrote: : I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved : things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, : and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file : in 28 seconds). Is that fast? : What is the interaction between kermit and inline compression, the modem was : supposedly running at 38kbaud with compression. : thanks I have Kermit set to a packet size of 1024 with sliding windows set to 4. Running on a 9600 line, I regularly get transfer rates of about 1150 cps. -- ______________________ _________________________________________________ | Alan Reichert | The Noble Blades' 1994 Gratuitous Violence Tour | | reichera@clark.net | ----- | |----------------------| "Of course he has a knife. He always has a | | "Acrophobic Lighting | knife. We all have knives. It's 1183 and | | Designer for Hire" | we're barbarians." -A Lion In Winter | |______________________|_________________________________________________| From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:22:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23698 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07473 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:22:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Autodialing Script? Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:22:42 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 23 Message-Id: <3bkm7i$798@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bgknu$1n3l@bigblue.oit.unc.edu>, Lance Arnder wrote: >Does anyone know where I might find a simple autodialing script for >C-Kermit? I've written one myself that works using MS-DOS Kermit >but doesn't work using C-Kermit on an RS6000. The input command >intercepts messages from the computer I'm dialing to but it >doesn't seem to intercept messages from the modem (like "call >failed 'line BUSY'") > Here is a very simple one: define keep_on_dialing dial \%1, while fail { sleep 30, redial } You should also be able to adapt MS-DOS Kermit dialing scripts very easily. If the INPUT command is not reading messages from the modem, then maybe the modem is not issuing the messages. For example, it might be in "silent mode" or numeric-response mode. Or maybe you need to add the following command to your script program before attempting to do i/o with the modem's command processor: SET CARRIER OFF - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:34:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24452 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08363 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:34:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:34:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Brad Bell wrote: >I am using Kermit to transfer files between from an MS-DOS machine to a VMS >VAX. I am using version 5A(189) on both ends. > The current version is 5A(190). >When files are transferred, the date attached to the file on the PC is >brought over to the VAX. I would like the date/time of transfer to be kept on >the files (IE creation time on the VAX). Is there any way to do that? > If you don't want this to happen, then tell either one of the two Kermit programs to: SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF It's in the manuals (both of them). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:40:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24789 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:40:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with SmarTerm 2xx and C-Kermit Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:40:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bkn8b$8qi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bie1h$1dp@alvin.ach.uams.edu>, Bruce Hulsey wrote: >... I can't find any mention of Kermit-32 in the listing of Kermit >software versions in the "Using C-Kermit" book. Is Kermit-32 a >'legitimate' member of the Kermit family? > It used to be, but the people who wrote and maintained it -- Bob McQueen and Nick Bush of Stevens Institutue of Technology -- disappeared about eight years ago. The program is not supported, it's written in a language (Bliss-32) that nobody has and that even DEC has dropped support for, etc. So I'd say no, it is no longer recommended or encouraged. There is hardly anything it can do that C-Kermit for VMS can't do, and C-Kermit can do thousands of things that Kermit-32 can't. And C-Kermit is fully supported. If you have some old commercial software that does not implement the Kermit protocol correctly, you probably won't get any sympathy from that quarter either -- they will tell you, just like I will, to use the up-to-date versions that fix older bugs and that are supported. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 14:46:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25209 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09478 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:46:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: C-Kermit weirdness Date: 1 Dec 1994 14:46:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3bknkh$984@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >To make a long story short, he is trying to put things like >":-(" in the subject and it is causing problems. Below is >a test I performed that gives me the same error. >... >arglist = echo 1=(\%1) 2=(\%2) 3=(\%3) >C-Kermit>xif success {arglist {(},show macro arglist} >?No keywords match - glist > >I realize that the "(" is potentially bad and that is exactly >what is causing the problem. What can I do to alleviate >this weirdness? > Quote the parentheses by giving the ASCII character value: xif success {arglist {\40},show macro arglist} - Frank x x x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 03:08:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27714 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13082 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 10:25:38 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:08:38 GMT Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm working on an application that is sending from VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running version 190). I need to have the server side rename a file when it receives it, but I want to be sure that this operation is secure (meaning that a malicious user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file in the same directory to which it was sent. So I assume that enabling host is out. Can I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). What are some other options or things to consider in this application? Thanks for any and all help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Nov 30 23:26:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03939 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21575 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 11:53:52 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!ux2.cso.uiuc.edu!shair From: shair@uiuc.edu (Bob Shair) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How do you redial in kermit? Date: 30 Nov 1994 23:26:48 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3bj1no$794@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <3bdssv$qhb@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> <3bfcf9$eio@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3bg7q1$6ae@mimsy.cs.umd.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: shair@ux2.cso.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu rgc@jujube.cs.umd.edu (Ross Garrett Cutler) writes: > >Actually, I use c-kermit. Any scripts for that? Thanks. > dial mary; while failure {dial mary} -- Bob Shair Open Systems Consultant 1018 W. Springfield Avenue shair@uiuc.edu Champaign, IL 61821 217/356-2684 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:13:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25005 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22606 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 16:47:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!travelers.mail.cornell.edu!newstand.syr.edu!cockpit.syr.edu!vefatica From: vefatica@cockpit.syr.edu (Vincent Fatica) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Fast file transfer Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:13:29 GMT Organization: none Lines: 59 Message-Id: <3bl07p$e74@newstand.syr.edu> Reply-To: vefatica@mailbox.syr.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: sudial-147.syr.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Those who are really serious about getting the very fastest file transfer should have some standard by which to measure their own Kermit's performance and compare it to others. By this I mean an utterly uncompressible file of significant length. It's easy to make one: using your favorite language, write characters in the range 0 to 255 AT RANDOM to a file. When you're done, try zip or gzip on it ... it'll get bigger ... it's really uncompressible. I keep a 100,000 byte such file (called "tight") around for testing purposes. I routinely achieve 1635 cps on a 14400 dialed connection and 1090 cps on a 9600 dialed connection. I believe this is pretty darned close to optimum for uncompressible data. How do you do it? As has been said, long packets and sliding windows do a great deal in speeding up file transfer, but you won't approach the speeds above with long packets and sliding windows alone; the key to squeezing out that last 20-25% of speed is CONTROL CHARACTER UNPREFIXING. By default, Kermit "prefixes" (adds a byte to) a fairly large number of characters; this is so intervening hardware and software won't misinterpret them and do something undesirable. For example, if there is xon/xoff flow- control in effect (anywhere along the way), an unprefixed ^S will be interpreted as a "stop" (probably not as desired). In addition, the characters which Kermit prefixes are among those which appear frequently in compressed data. So by default, Kermit does it as safely as possible. But in any given situation there's probably only a few characters which need to be prefixed; so in general you want to tell the sending Kermit to: set control unprefixed all set control prefixed [only the necessary ones] As Frank da Cruz has pointed out, precisely which ones are necessary is very much connection-dependent, and so experimentation is the only way to find out what you need. On a dialed connection where there's no xon/xoff (anywhere) and where I know the dial-up server is in transparent mode, I need only "set control prefixed 0 1 3". If there were xon/xoff in effect, I'd add to the list 17 19 145 147 (^Q, ^S, and their 8-bit counterparts). When I use Kermit to make a network connection, I add 13 141 255. So ... experiment. Upon first connecting to my dial-up server (a Cisco, I think) I have the opportunity to issue commands (only a few) to it. I can say, for example, "terminal download" which puts it in transparent mode, or "terminal flow hardware in out" which I imagine does just what it says. I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about such server issues, so if anyone would care to elaborate, I would appreciate it. Also by default, Kermit tries to do a little compressing of it's own by simply replacing strings of repeated characters with something shorter. This is probably futile for data that's already compressed. Even though it's not clear that Kermit's actually wasting time trying to do this, I tell the sending Kermit to "set repeat count off" whenever I know the data is already compressed. Respectfully, Vincent Fatica From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 04:00:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10965 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05756 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:56:17 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Alternative to ansi printing Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 04:00:45 GMT Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu For whatever this is worth to anyone... It'll probably work on other host systems, bus since Unix is what I'm familiar with... I got the idea while reading through some of the documentation for MS-Kermit 3.14 BETA that ansi printing does no packet checking, but simply switches output from your screen to your printer. If you have a modern error-correcting modem, this is probably fine, but if your modem is old (like mine) and lacks that feature, there is the potential for characters to be lost, bursts of line noise showing up in your printout, etc. If you're using MS-Kermit 3.13 or later as your comm program, you can use it with C-Kermit (preferably 5A(190)) to print with full error correction. Pipe whatever you want printed into this: /usr/5bin/echo '\033_rec\033\\\c'; kermit -s - -a PRN The echo command simulates an apc command to MS-Kermit (kermit -C "apc rec" doesn't work; check your man page for echo to make sure it supports the special functions), which puts MSK into receive mode (be sure you have apc on-- SET TERM APC ON). The options for C-Kermit tell it to send from the standard input (from a pipe), and send it as PRN. MS-Kermit will accept PRN as a valid name; MS-DOS will send it to your printer. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 17:26:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01261 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06003 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!netnews.CC.Lehigh.EDU!CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU!cdl0 From: cdl0@CS1.CC.Lehigh.EDU (CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: what are blocks? Date: 1 Dec 1994 17:26:41 GMT Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cs1.cc.lehigh.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? what are they blocks of? any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) B*B, -Smoke. -- bye! :) -- pgp2 key available - just ask. or finger cdl0@cs1.cc.lehigh.edu "Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do." -- Bertrand Russell From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 04:56:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20897 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08040 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 06:53:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant Lines: 2 Sender: news-server@news.demos.su Distribution: z Message-Id: Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su Nntp-Posting-Host: news.demos.su X-Mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 09:38:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14350 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 08:47:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!news.iij.ad.jp!wnoc-tyo-news!aist-nara!odins-suita!alice!taeko!ocuhep!apple!duan From: duan@tama.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: test Message-Id: Date: 1 Dec 94 09:38:30 GMT Sender: news@apple.info.osaka-cu.ac.jp Distribution: fj Organization: Faculty of Engineering, Osaka-City Univ., Japan Lines: 3 Nntp-Posting-Host: katsuo Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu You are girl! From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 20:24:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05921 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:10 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15433 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:02:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!delphi.cs.ucla.edu!twinsun!not-for-mail From: eggert@twinsun.com (Paul Eggert) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Discard Date Question. Date: 1 Dec 1994 12:24:43 -0800 Organization: Twin Sun Inc, El Segundo, CA, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3blbeb$cii@tattoo.twinsun.com> References: <3bkmsv$857@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 192.54.239.40 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: > SET ATTRIBUTE DATE OFF This is an excellent command to put in your .kermrc if you transfer data across time zone boundaries. The current Kermit protocol does not understand time zones, and it can munge dates by several hours when transferring data from one time zone to another. I've had this problem, for example, when copying files between Unix hosts and then using `make' -- the bogus timestamps screw up the build, sometimes in subtle ways. Perhaps a future Kermit protocol extension can address this issue, so that time stamps are handled properly when both hosts know about time zones (as is the case with Unix or, for that matter, any Posix-compliant OS). From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 14:10:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06342 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16257 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 09:10:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: what are blocks? Date: 2 Dec 1994 14:10:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3bn9t7$frg@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bl10h$kdc@fidoii.cc.lehigh.edu>, CONRAD DANIEL LLOYD-KNIGHT wrote: >when i download using kermit, i set receive packet to 4096 for a faster >transfer. i then get a message on the screen saying something like "remember >to set BLOCKS 2 or 3 for longer packets". so i set them to 3. i have no idea >what they are, though. should i use 2 or 3? does it really make a difference? >what are they blocks of? > >any enlightenment would be greatly appreciated :) SET BLOCKS 1,2,or3 determine what kind of checking is used to determine that packet that was received contains proper data. On today's fast machines Block Check 3 (16-bit CRC) should always be used. Just place it in your INI file. Also, it must be issued on both sides for it to be used. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 19:29:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28493 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18781 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:30:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 2 Dec 1994 19:29:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 37 Message-Id: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm working on an application that is sending from >VMS to VMS (either VAX or Alpha) C-Kermit (running >version 190). >I need to have the server side rename a file when >it receives it, but I want to be sure that this >operation is secure (meaning that a malicious >user could NOT send a SYSUAF.DAT and rename it >to the system one, etc). I.e. rename the file >in the same directory to which it was sent. > >So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? > DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server program, before putting it in server more, then the client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". It's all in there. >Can I use APC from VMS to VMS? (I've only seen >it mentioned that APC is for MS-DOS Kermit). > MS-DOS Kermit as well as C-Kermit 5A(190) for VMS, UNIX, and OS/2 all support APC, but this only is effective during CONNECT mode. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 18:26:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29432 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 14:46:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!dziuxsolim.rutgers.edu!caip.rutgers.edu!not-for-mail From: halasz@columbia.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 13:26:55 -0500 Organization: caip.rutgers.edu Lines: 10 Sender: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> Nntp-Posting-Host: caip.rutgers.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): : But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable : from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server : connections, etc. Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. -*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-**-*-**-*-**-**-*-**-*- Everything is controlled by a small evil group to which, unfortunately, no one whom we know belongs From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:15:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05634 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29904 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:15:51 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Message-Id: <94120257161@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:52:41 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu HELP! I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. Usually, it will not let me set line. SET LINE gives a "permission denied" or "access to device denied" error with /dev/term/b, /dev/tty/b , /dev/cua/b whether I am in as root or an ordinary user, with all the permissions on the /device file and /dev links set to 777, it does it no matter what. Now tip does fine with dial outs. But kermit won't do it. This seems so strange. A user can call in and start a kermit server on the same line. but no dice with the dial out. It is maddening. Has anyone else had similar problems? Any suggestions, ideas, snyde remarks? Any help will be most appreciated. Byron.Chandler@microserve.com From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:03:38 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01266 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:26:27 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!news.pop.psu.edu!news.cac.psu.edu!newsserver.jvnc.net!cmi.hahnemann.edu!news From: BRENNAN@HAL.HAHNEMANN.EDU (A. Andrew Brennan) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 'contrib' directory? Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:03:38 GMT Organization: Hahnemann University Lines: 11 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3bo23a$k7i@cmi.hahnemann.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hal.hahnemann.edu X-News-Reader: VMS NEWS v1.25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Perhaps this is crazy, but has anyone setup a contrib directory for scripts, front-ends, etc? We have the Kermit books here and I'll admit I've only used them as reference resources, but I was curious if anyone had an archive of .INI scripts, interface programs, etc?? If not ... I suppose I could offer to create one? Unless I'm the only one in the world too lazy to sit down and write my own scripts from scratch? :^) I do like indexing archives - maybe it's the librarian in me trying to creep out. andrew. (brennan@hal.hahnemann.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 21:54:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09161 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:54:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help with binary downloads Date: 2 Dec 1994 21:54:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3bo522$45t@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3asuug$pij@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Nov17.125037@clstac> <1994Nov21.194523.4841@apgea.army.mil> <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnotf$c4p@caip.rutgers.edu>, wrote: >From fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz): >: But they can't detect "space" parity, which is indistinguishable >: from no parity at all, and which is increasingly common on terminal-server >: connections, etc. > >Huh??? You mean "mark", no? "Space" means that the word looks like an >eight-bit word with the highest bit alwais 0. Frank means what he says. Kermit can auto-detect mark, even and odd parity. But it is unable to detect space parity. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 1 08:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11202 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 17:24:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!ucsnews!newshub.sdsu.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!taliesin From: taliesin@netcom.com (Glenn R. Stone) Subject: Re: Speeding up file transfer with kermit Message-Id: Organization: The Group W Bench References: Date: Thu, 1 Dec 1994 08:08:33 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In cheimets@cfa.harvard.edu (Peter Cheimets) writes: >I am trying to speed up kermit. I changed the packet length and that improved >things greatly. I don't have a benchmark though. I was on a 9600baud line, >and a packet length of 1000, I was getting a speed of around 620cps (15kB file >in 28 seconds). Is that fast? You could probably tune it a bit... I usually end up with 720-730cps for 9600 baud and a decent line... if you're getting retries, cut the packetsize, otherwise up it a bit... I get good results with 1200 byte packets on a clean line.... -- warp eight bot, kermit kinda guy From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 12:01:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28759 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 12:01:32 -0500 From: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!nuclear.microserve.net!microserve.com!BYRON.CHANDLER Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Emp Message-Id: <94120256676@microserve.com> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 15:44:36 Reply-To: Byron.Chandler@Microserve.com (Byron Chandler) Organization: Microserve Information Systems (800)380-INET Lines: 22 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >Path: nuclear.microserve.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!demos!dnews-server >From: mar@chermk.vologda.su (Reznikov Michael) >Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc >Subject: [Q]How I may take kermit's files from KERMSRV(columbia). Empty. >Date: Fri, 2 Dec 94 07:56:25 +0300 >Organization: Cherepovets Steel & Iron Plant >Lines: 2 >Sender: news-server@news.demos.su >Distribution: z >Message-ID: >Reply-To: mar@chermk.vologda.su >NNTP-Posting-Host: news.demos.su >X-mailer: BML [MS/DOS Beauty Mail v.1.27] > >How I may take kermit's files from kermit server ? > From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 08:43:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26665 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13964 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 15:10:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!usc!math.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problems with Kermit VT220 emulation Message-Id: <1994Dec2.144312.34369@cc.usu.edu> Date: 2 Dec 94 14:43:12 MDT References: <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 26 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bc2kv$8sc@highway.LeidenUniv.nl>, vdk@rulxho (Peter - INL) writes: > Hello Kermit people, > > I use Kermit to connect to my Internet service provider (a SUN machine). The > terminal type is set to VT220. When I use programs as Pine, NN and Lynx, my > screen becomes a mess. I think because they use reverse video codes. With What might you mean by "mess"? > 'normal' screens everything is fine. Another guy on this group had the same > kind of problem and he was advised to set flow control to rts/cts. I tried > this too, but it didn't help. I tried a lot of other things like > reliable link with compression, reliable link without compression, flow control > none, flow control xon/xoff, flow control rts/cts, display 8-bit, set terminal > to VT 100, but the problem still exists. > The host sends sequences like [7m, [m and [27m. Is there a > way to let Kermit interpret these sequences correctly? What must be the > settings of my modem and Kermit to let it talk to a Sun machine? These are fine. MSK supports all of them and far more. May I suggest you look at the Sun machine to understand what terminal type it thinks it is using. Try a man page to see the visual effects too (though most man pages make a hash of the visual part). Then I will repeat the often stated Requirement that flow control be effective all the way through the comms chain. That means the host end must support an effective flow control which its modem understands... all the way to your desktop PC. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 20:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 17:48:09 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!EU.net!sun4nl!news.nic.surfnet.nl!ruu.nl!jansen From: jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: usenet@cc.ruu.nl Reply-To: Xander.Jansen@surfnet.nl Organization: SURFnet bv X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 20:37:30 GMT Lines: 28 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that : the command processor is unavailable. : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of 3.13. -- Xander. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 02:09:48 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09518 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:04:36 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!hopi.dtcc.edu!hobbes.dtcc.edu!bob From: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu (Bob Rahe) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Icon contest Date: 3 Dec 1994 02:09:48 GMT Organization: Delaware Technical & Community College Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3bok1c$e9m@hopi.dtcc.edu> References: <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: hobbes.dtcc.edu Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit, Icon, Windows Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3b5u0p$c8v@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: ... >(*) There is no truth to the rumor that future releases of MS-DOS Kermit > will be be 3.141, 3.1415, 3.14159, 3.141592, 3.1415926, 3.14159263... Careful, I think that last one is one of the values that triggers the Pentium bug.... ;-)) -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- |Bob Rahe, Delaware Tech&Comm College | AIDS, Drugs, Abortion: - | |Computer Center, Dover, Delaware | - Don't liberals just kill you?| |Internet: bob@hobbes.dtcc.edu |Save whales; and kill babies? | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 22:17:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04397 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12159 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 3 Dec 1994 18:39:02 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!eff!news.umbc.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!udel!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>So I assume that enabling host is out. Can >>I disable "cd" and do a "remote kermit rename x y"? >> >DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >program, before putting it in server more, then the >client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) > >Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >It's all in there. There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. I'm running both an Alpha... C-Kermit 5A(190) BETA.17, 8 Aug 94, for OpenVMS AXP Type ? or HELP for help C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And a VAX machine... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York. Type ? or HELP for help. C-Kermit>remote rename ?No keywords match - rename And neither allow REMOTE RENAME! Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames without allowing renames across directories, or is there something missing in my version of C-Kermit?! What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT to work? I want to enable as little as possible. Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 00:24:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25740 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16251 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 04:27:36 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!zip.eecs.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: "OPEN READ file" Problems Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 00:24:09 GMT Lines: 82 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank et al, I apologize that everything I post to this newsgroup are problems I'm experiencing with C-Kermit. I truly love the product and have little complaints! Now to the problem... I'm running... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX And created a text file called param.dat containing three small lines of text. Then went into C-Kermit and did this... C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open C-Kermit>type sys$login:param.dat username password e-mail@address --------------------------- I checked all the docs I have (THE book, the beware file for VMS, etc). I didn't find any exceptions for READ for VMS. The !READ works fine when I do this... C-Kermit>open !read type sys$login:param.dat C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a username C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a password C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a e-mail@address C-Kermit>read \%a C-Kermit>echo \%a C-Kermit>read \%a ?Read file not open ----------------------- So why won't READ work in this case? Is it possible my file attributes are what it needs to be for it to read the file correctly? They are... MV80:[]$ dir /full sys$login:param.dat Directory SYS$USERS:[HATCHER] PARAM.DAT;1 File ID: (8847,19,0) Size: 1/3 Owner: [HATCHER] Created: 3-DEC-1994 17:49:44.15 Revised: 3-DEC-1994 18:46:26.02 (2) Expires: Backup: File organization: Sequential File attributes: Allocation: 3, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0, No version limit Record format: Variable length, maximum 14 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes: None Journaling enabled: None File protection: System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RWED, World:RWED Access Cntrl List: None Total of 1 file, 1/3 blocks. Thanks for the help. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 2 16:10:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04980 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:10:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.bu.edu!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 16:10:24 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi --- I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works fine (Text xfers are text, and binary xfers are binary). But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. Here is the troubleshooting I tried to narrow it down.... Looked at "show file" on both sides...it says "Text" Get the above result when I pcget from UNIX. Tried set file type text explicitly on both ends before pcget. Still get same result. Wrote a little script to rule out error in pcget macro: apc server pause 2 remote set file type text set file type text get dosfile.txt finish Ran the script from UNIX side, and still the file was xferred as Binary not Text! What am I missing here ? I would appreciate any suggestions, insights, criticism, etc. As far as RTFB goes :-), I'm still working from .HLP/.UPD/.BWR as my copy of the book hasn't arrived yet :-( Thanks very much, Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker at hodcs.att.com (email OK, followups OK too) 908-949-4926 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 3 21:43:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29549 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 07:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!newspump.wustl.edu!bigfoot.wustl.edu!news.ecl.wustl.edu!jxh From: jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu (James C. Hu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: TCP/IP, NE2000 and Kermit Date: 03 Dec 1994 21:43:40 GMT Organization: Washington University, St. Louis, MO Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: pride.cs.wustl.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I have been attempting to use Kermit 3.14 on my PC with an NE2000 network card. I run the Crynwr packet driver, and the parameters shown after execution are: packet-intr: 0x7e hardware intr: 9 i/o address: 0x300 I configured the parameters correctly in mscustom.ini, and then attempted to connect to a host. Kermit claims it cannot reach the gateway. I had my network admin snoop the subnet for me, and I saw that my requests to the gateway were reaching it, and that the gateway was responding. After a while, my PC would request a again, and the gateway would again respond. For whatever reason, my PC does not seem to acknowledge the responses from the gateway. Any hints, pointers to the porblem? I had a theory that perhaps Kermit was responding the hardware interrupt delivered by the network card, but I think it more likely that the network card may not be recognizing packets that are meant for itself. -- James From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 14:22:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29404 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 09:30:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!csn!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Lockup problem Date: 4 Dec 1994 14:22:26 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old kermit did: it locks up. I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". It never unhangs until I hit ^C. I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. What else would cause Kermit to lock? Please **EMAIL** replies, as I will be offline for most of the next week. Thanks! Gary From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 16:48:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07958 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 4 Dec 1994 12:04:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Warp: Can Ckermit and TCPIP work together? Date: 4 Dec 1994 16:48:31 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 8 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3bsrsv$37b@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying to get CKermit for OS/2 to work with the TCPIP stuff that comes in the OS/2 Warp Bonus Pack, but I have not been successful. Is this at all possible? If anyone has done this, please let me know how they did it. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 23:36:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13609 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24838 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 02:23:32 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!pipex!uunet!spcuna!ritz!kudut From: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Sender: kudut@ritz.mordor.com (Ken Udut) Organization: SOUP Bayleaf off of ritz.mordor.com (Jersey City, NJ USA) Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 23:36:28 GMT Message-Id: Lines: 49 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, jansen@surfnet.nl (Xander Jansen) wrote: > Norman Miller (nmiller@trincoll.edu) wrote: > : When I ran ms-kermit 3.13 under 4dos I had no trouble with zmodem. Nor > : when under desqview with 4dos.com in charge. > > : When I run ms-kermit 3.14 under 4dos I have no trouble with zmodem. Only > : when I run under Desqview do I get an error message to the effect that > : the command processor is unavailable. > > : That it's a 3.14 Desqview problem becomes more likely when one considers this: > : I can run ms-kermit 3.14 under Windows3 (still with 4dos) and zmodem works. > > Which version of 3.14 do you use (the 'full' version or one of the > 'lite' versions) ? With my plain old MSDOS3.3 PC with various TSR's > loaded (and thus not much free memory) I cannot PUSH or RUN commands > from within the full version of kermit (KERMIT.EXE) giving more or > less the same error message you have. The medium one (KERMITE.EXE) > let's me go to whatever command processor I'm running (including 4dos). > > If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might > wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview > probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to > run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. > > Note that memory usage of 3.14 (full version) is a bit more than that of > 3.13. > > -- > Xander. To get more memory when shelling to MS-DOS, use a program called "Shroom" - Short for "Shell Room". Waffle BBS folks swear by it. It shells the program you are using out to disk or memory, and gives you the greatest possible memory in that situation. Ask on comp.bbs.waffle for the place to find it. (It also works great with programs like Deskmate, compilers, and every other program that shells to DOS). -- Kenneth Udut kudut@ritz.mordor.com Listowner of Y-RIGHTS@SJUVM.BITNET - discussion on the rights of kids/teens From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 18:45:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 09:10:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!vanbc.wimsey.com!news.bc.net!infomatch.com!infomatch.com!not-for-mail From: blaak@infomatch.com (Ray Blaak) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 4 Dec 1994 10:45:22 -0800 Organization: InfoMatch Information Services Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Summary: see subject Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' instead of a serial device. Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Cheers, Ray Blaak blaak@infomatch.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:07:06 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18815 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:07:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Dial out problem with Solaris 2.3 Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:07:06 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3bvaaq$ibl@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94120257161@microserve.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94120257161@microserve.com>, Byron Chandler wrote: >I'm having a problem with kermit on a Sparcstation 2 with Solaris 2.3. I >have a serial line set up with the admintool's serial port manager for a >bidirectional modem. It works fine with dial ins. By the way, the modem is >a Telebit T2500.) Problems arise when I go to dial out. > UNIX bidirectional ttys are a big problem for C-Kermit. That's because every version of UNIX, and every release of every version, handles this issue differently. It's no surprise that tip and/or cu on a particular UNIX version, such as Solaris 2.3, handle bidirectional ttys OK, because these are vendor-provided utilities. They are probably also installed suid to root or somesuch. There is no way C-Kermit, which runs on over 400 different UNIX variations, can account for bidirectional ttys on all of them (or for that matter, any of them!) without introducing thousands of lines of code, security risks, and insurmountable maintenance headaches. The standard advice (found in all the relevant documentation) is: before using C-Kermit to dial out on a bidirectional tty, use your system utilities to make it non-bidirectional. For example, make a shell script wrapper that kills the getty and restarts init, or that runs admintool, or whatever, then runs Kermit, and then when Kermit exits, puts the line back the way it was. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:21:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20183 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:21:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:21:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , -M.BAKER wrote: >I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: > >PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) > >When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. > This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta release, Beta-14. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:28:13 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05178 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:28:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:28:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 42 Message-Id: <3bvbid$kce@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >>DISABLE CD and DISABLE HOST to the Kermit server >>program, before putting it in server more, then the >>client can REMOTE RENAME X Y (not REMOTE KERMIT...) >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > Oops, sorry. I should have looked before I leapt. I really thought it was there! Oh well, it will be in the next release. >Will REMOTE KERMIT allow server side file renames >without allowing renames across directories... > The only Kermit server that supports REMOTE KERMIT commands is Kermit-370 on IBM mainframes. There are no plans to add REMOTE KERMIT server-end support to C-Kermit, even though the C-Kermit client can send REMOTE KERMIT commands. So for now the only way to get a C-Kermit server to rename a file is to send it a REMOTE HOST RENAME (or REMOTE HOST MV, or whatever, depending on the operating system) command. >What do I ENABLE to get REMOTE KERMIT >to work? I want to enable as little as possible. > Unfortunately, this requires that you ENABLE HOST, which is what you were trying to avoid. Of course, there are other solutions, such as sending the file with the desired name in the first place. But if this is to include a directory part, then you have to ENABLE CD. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:37:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05770 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21809 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:37:46 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "OPEN READ file" Problems Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:37:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3bvc3q$l92@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I'm running... >C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX > >And created a text file called param.dat >containing three small lines of text. > >Then went into C-Kermit and did this... > >C-Kermit>open read sys$login:param.dat >C-Kermit>read \%a >C-Kermit>echo \%a > >C-Kermit>read \%a >?Read file not open > I dunno. I tried this locally and it works fine, assuming the file really exists and really has three lines in it, and OPEN READ was given the correct file name. The typescript above makes it look like your PARAM.DAT file consisted of one empty line, and the second READ command got an end-of-file. - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:45:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06253 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22488 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:45:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:45:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net>, Gary Fritz wrote: >I just downloaded the latest/greatest Kermit (binaries for HP-UX/700) >from kermit.columbia.edu, but it still has the same problem my old >kermit did: it locks up. > >I recently tried to get Kermit running on my system. At first it worked, >though not at all well, and it caused some strange problems with accessing >the modem line (sorry, though, I can't remember the specifics). Then >it started locking up as soon as it tried to access the modem. If I >started it with "kermit -l /dev/cul01" it would lock; if I started it >with "kermit" it would give me a prompt until I said "set line /dev/cul01". >It never unhangs until I hit ^C. > >I cleared the /usr/lib/uucp locks on the line, but that's not the problem. >What else would cause Kermit to lock? > Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and modems"), as described in the HP manual, "Configuring HP-UX for Peripherals: HP 9000". If you attempt to use a serial device before it has been configured this way, it will not work properly; typical symptoms are (a) no communication at all; (b) nonfunctional modem signals; and/or (c) massive amounts of character loss in both directions. (end quote) Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), etc. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 15:47:25 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22641 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 10:47:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 5 Dec 1994 15:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com>, Ray Blaak wrote: >I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' >instead of a serial device. > The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations VMS C-Kermit OS/2 C-Kermit AOS/VS C-Kermit Stratus VOS C-Kermit - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 16:54:24 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25595 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 5 Dec 1994 14:49:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news2.near.net!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!pacifier!pacifier!not-for-mail From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 5 Dec 1994 08:54:24 -0800 Organization: none Lines: 22 Message-Id: <3bvgk1$f7i@pacifier.com> References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: pacifier.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. > C-Kermit hasn't implemented Remote Rename yet. I called attention to this many moons ago in a message to, I think, Terry Kennedy. Here is one instance wherein old Bliss Kermit outshines C-Kermit; Bliss Kermit implements Remote Rename. Whether one can rename across directories is a function of the privs allotted to the account wherein the remote Kermit is run. What Frank was saying, I think, was that you could rename the file(s) locally before you sent them via Kermit. Ciao! -- Mike Freeman | Internet: mikef@pacifier.com GEnie: M.FREEMAN11 | Amateur Radio Callsign: K7UIJ ... Virtue is its own punishment. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 6 03:13:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07804 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:51:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Date: 5 Dec 1994 22:13:17 -0500 Organization: United Fashions of Texas, Ltd. Lines: 29 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- The expected result, which Crosstalk did provide, is a blank screen with the shell prompt toward the top, and the word "background" twice on some line of the screen. Kermit however, responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. The "background" words are erased as well, which should not happen. Kermit did respond correctly to a couple other small tests. I hope this can be fixed for this version, it's the only vt220 feature I need which Kermit does not support. Yet :-). -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 4 21:34:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA07995 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10675 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 04:59:37 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jhurwit From: jhurwit@netcom.com (Jeffrey Hurwit) Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 under Desqview and 4DOS Message-Id: Organization: Organization? What organization? X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <3bqd94$71b@yar.trincoll.edu> <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 1994 21:34:26 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec3.203730.5482@cc.ruu.nl>, Xander Jansen (jansen@surfnet.nl) wrote: >If you don't need the graphic or network capabilities of MSK you might >wanna try the medium version (KERMITE.EXE). If that works Desqview >probably doesn't leave enough free memory for your Kermit session to >run both the full version AND a spawned command processor. If memory's a problem, another option is setting the screen rollback buffer smaller. Setting it to 5 instead of the default 10 would (according to the docs) save about 20K or more. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:20:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08706 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 05:18:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!news.cs.su.oz.au!news.adelaide.edu.au!yoyo.aarnet.edu.au!goliath.camtech.com.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!gateway.dircsa.org.au!not-for-mail From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:50:40 +1030 Organization: DIRCSA - Disability Information and Resource Centre Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3c0e98$5a4@gateway.dircsa.org.au> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: gateway.dircsa.org.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Ray Blaak (blaak@infomatch.com) wrote: : I need a kermit which points to a telnet session for its remote ``line'' : instead of a serial device. : Does such a things exist? I seem remember some threads about it before. : Could someone tell me where such a kermit is available? Yes. kermit.columbia.edu. I have used the telnet built into MS-Kermit, C-Kermit for AIX, and C-Kermit for Unixware. On newer kermits with TCP/IP, one can telnet from the kermit prompt or a kermit script file. -- Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-370-2365, fax +61-8-370-2133, +61-8-223-5082 arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au, arthur@cswamp.apana.org.au .endofsig From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 21:59:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09546 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 07:36:43 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 5 Dec 1994 21:59:47 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I still haven't found a way to do server side renames of a file. I send the file as one name and want to rename it on the server side. REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to find this command in the book and it doesn't work on my version. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 12:15:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14158 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:55:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 08:54:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!pipex!warwick!bham!news!bam From: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Remote (server) file renames Date: 06 Dec 1994 12:15:00 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-l.bham.ac.uk In-Reply-To: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU's message of Sat, 3 Dec 1994 22:17:04 GMT Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) writes: >In article <3bnsjl$i9p@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >> >>Please refer to Chapter 7 of "Using C-Kermit". >>It's all in there. > >There is absolutely NO reference to REMOTE RENAME >in the book I have (copyright 1993) and my version >of C-Kermit says I cannot do a REMOTE RENAME. This is really strange. I too have never seen REMOTE RENAME in any kermit manuals or implemnataions and yet the "Kermit Protocol Manual 6" (1986!) includes the underlying protocol support for this command. What gives? -- \\ ( ) No Bullshit! | Email: B.A.McCauley@bham.ac.uk . _\\__[oo from | Phones: +44 121 471 3789 (home) .__/ \\ /\@ /~) /~[ /\/[ | +44 121 627 2173 (voice) 2175 (fax) . l___\\ /~~) /~~[ / [ | PGP-fp: D7 03 2A 4B D8 3A 05 37 # ll l\\ ~~~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ | A1 93 FE EA BE E3 2A 91 ###LL LL\\ (Brian McCauley) | More: finger bam@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 16:05:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22538 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06100 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 11:05:24 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:05:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 33 Message-Id: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I still haven't found a way to do server side >renames of a file. I send the file as one >name and want to rename it on the server side. > >REMOTE RENAME was suggested but I have yet to >find this command in the book and it doesn't >work on my version. > Erik: The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit which you do not want to do. The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very start. SEND oldname newname has exactly the same result as SEND oldname REMOTE RENAME oldname newname Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 17:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02521 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21886 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:29:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ddsw1!not-for-mail From: les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 11:26:23 -0600 Organization: /usr/lib/news/organi[sz]ation Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c26rv$8jv@Mars.mcs.com> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: mars.mcs.com Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >The following Kermit programs can make TELNET connections: > > MS-DOS Kermit for DOS and Windows > UNIX C-Kermit for most UNIX variations > VMS C-Kermit > OS/2 C-Kermit > AOS/VS C-Kermit > Stratus VOS C-Kermit Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave a kermit running in server mode. Les Mikesell les@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 20:34:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10624 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05094 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 15:34:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Looking for a telnet kermit Date: 6 Dec 1994 20:34:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3c2ht1$4v2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bt2o2$1s5@infomatch.com> <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Keywords: telnet kermit Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c26rv$8jv@mars.mcs.com>, Leslie Mikesell wrote: >In article <3bvcmd$m37@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, >Is it possible to use unix kermit to telnet into an OS/2 machine, start >up kermit there and transfer files over the connection? I know you >can do the reverse, and you can do it to DOS machines if you leave >a kermit running in server mode. > Not at the current time. Its not a limitation of Kermit but of the telnet server software on OS/2. I am attempting to work with IBM to address the issue. It does require some significant code changes (and optimizations) to enable it to work. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:52:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23854 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:51:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 18:50:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14-beta 14 and vt220 non-erasable characters Message-Id: <1994Dec6.075216.34631@cc.usu.edu> Date: 6 Dec 94 07:52:16 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > There is a problem with the vt220 emulation of MS-DOS Kermit 3.14. > I downloaded the beta 14 version, specifically to test the feature > which DEC refers to as "non-erasable characters". > > I prepared a small unix shell script to send the escape-sequences > and tested the response in Kermit and in Crosstalk mk4. > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---------- Correct. And it's fixed in beta-15. That beta is accumulating last minute bug reports and will be issued shortly. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 21:52:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26390 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13328 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 6 Dec 1994 19:40:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 6 Dec 1994 21:52:07 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 60 Message-Id: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Summary: How does flow control work? Keywords: MS-DOS Flow Control Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. Here are my questions: 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out the serial port to the host? 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? And is it the same during TRANSMIT? 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q characters on to the host, without further processing? This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? This is also the way a real VT-100 works. In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from the host, then not send any data to the host until the host sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user type without Kermit losing any? 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending when the host sends a ^Q? 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish for having missed it. 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled in the source code? Thanks for your help in this matter. --Mike Ciaraldi From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27012 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 06:44:31 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!hookup!swrinde!gatech!nntp.msstate.edu!olivea!news.hal.COM!halsoft.com!netcomsv!torii!ibm.mtsac.edu!1CMC3466 From: 1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu (Curtiss Cicco) Subject: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Message-Id: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Sender: usenet@triple-i.com Nntp-Posting-Host: 140.144.202.50 Organization: Mt. San Antonio College X-Newsreader: NNR/VM S_1.3.2 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 03:45:17 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize com4, I know the modem works properly because I was able to downl oad using a different protocol. I download from a mainframe, so I need to use kermit, currently I'm using 3.14 patch level 6, which was working with my other modem at com1. Any ideas on how to fix it to work with com4? -CmC From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 15:02:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01725 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10739 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 10:02:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Kermit unable to work with COM4 Date: 7 Dec 1994 15:02:12 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3c4ipk$afe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <17084115D3.1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu>, Curtiss Cicco <1CMC3466@ibm.mtsac.edu> wrote: >Kermit is unable to work with my new 14.4 modem, I have tracedthe >problemto the port my modem runs on. I changed the settings to re >flectthe com port I need to use, yet kermit still won't recognize >com4 ... > See the section "Nonstandard Communication Ports" in the user manual, "Using MS-DOS Kermit", page 207. For greater detail, read section 6 of the KERMIT.BWR file that comes in the top-level directory of the ZIP file. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 22:22:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09579 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22188 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 7 Dec 1994 12:03:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.uni-c.dk!news.daimi.aau.dk!vki68!eks From: eks@vki68.aar-vki.dk (Eigil Krogh Sorensen) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] X/Y/Z modem from kermit - Possible ? Date: 6 Dec 1994 22:22:14 GMT Organization: Water Quality Institute, Science Park Aarhus. Lines: 25 Message-Id: <3c2o6m$j48@belfort.daimi.aau.dk> Nntp-Posting-Host: vki68.aar-vki.dk Summary: Is it possible to start X/Y/Z modem transfer from within kermit ? Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Here in Denmark BBSs very often don't have kermit comm. facility. Normally they have the X/Y/Z modem "thing" only. Is it possible to initiate a X/Y/Z modem transfer from within a kermit "session" ? If so is there some special programmes I need to install on the system ? The system(s) we are using kermit on are: SCO ODT 3.0, Motorola sys/V r36 (and dos/Windows). Thanks in advance -- Eigil Krogh Sorensen ------------------------------------------------------------------------- VKI ! ! Water Quality Institute !Phone: !E-mail: Science Park Aarhus ! +45 86 20 20 00 or ! 10, Gustav Wieds Vej ! +45 86 20 20 11 local 2114 ! eks@aar-vki.dk DK-8000 Aarhus C !Fax: ! DENMARK. ! +45 86 19 75 11 ! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 02:39:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27601 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28120 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 8 Dec 1994 13:08:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Divide Overflow Message-Id: <1994Dec8.083912.34887@cc.usu.edu> Date: 8 Dec 94 08:39:12 MDT References: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca>, mike@post.queensu.ca (Mike Smith) writes: > > The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about > a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are > omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this > because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because > I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice > to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. -------- It's not a problem in MSK 3.14. But MSK 3.14 is not available for general distribution yet; it is still in beta. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:21:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02702 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19679 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 11:52:13 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!world!progshop From: progshop@world.std.com (Programmer Shop) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 20:21:05 GMT Lines: 39 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3799 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52014 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3724 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1314 comp.lang.c++:96621 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) writes: >Dear Sirs, >I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. >The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully >(or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found >Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. >I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported >by the package. >If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the >following matters, please share them with me! >- Kermit under MS-Windows >- communication libraries for MS-Windows Greenleaf is definately an option. CommLib (and Comm++) supports Kermit with compression and eigth bit prefixing. One of our developers have have been using CommLib for several version (since 4.0) and have had great success and good support. Other Comm libs that support Kermit that I know of are CrystalCOMM for Windows by Crystal Software and possibly MagnaCOMM by SofDesign. Sorry, no shareware. -sk >Sincerely, >Pasi >-- > Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 > t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 > Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 20:44:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06663 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24902 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 12:46:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!newsrelay.iastate.edu!news.iastate.edu!collins From: collins@iastate.edu (Gene Collins) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 8 Dec 1994 20:44:22 GMT Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA Lines: 28 Message-Id: <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: opus2.cc.iastate.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes: >In article , >-M.BAKER wrote: >>I believe that I am having a problem with file transfer between my PC >>and our UNIX system. Here are the particulars: >> >>PC running MS-Kermit 3.14/Beta 12 (14 Nov 94) >>UNIX running C-Kermit 5A(190) for Solaris 2.x (4 Oct 94) >> >>When I use pcsend to download files from UNIX to the PC, everything works >>fine... But when I use pcget to upload files from PC to UNIX, every file >>gets transferred as "Binary" even if I want "Text" type transfer. >> >This was a bug in Beta-12, which should be fixed in the current beta >release, Beta-14. > >- Frank Well, unfortunately, I seem to be having a similar problem downloading zip files from a bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. Gene Collins (collins@iastate.edu) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 18:46:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:28 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 13:46:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Problem with File Xfer (Binary vs Text) ?? Date: 9 Dec 1994 18:46:22 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3ca8lu$1hs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bvb54$jmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7r76$bn9@news.iastate.edu>, Gene Collins wrote: >...I seem to be having a ... problem downloading zip files from a >bbs, specifically a Wildcat bbs. I had set file type binary on >the pc before starting the download. The transfer seemed to take >place ok, no error messages etc. When I tried to unzip the >files, I was told that the files were damaged. This is the same >procedure I've used several times with KERMIT 3.13. I'm >currently using beta 14 of 3.14. Any suggestions? Thanks. > Only to make sure that the BBS Kermit software, whatever it is, has also been told to send the file in binary mode. In general, it is the *file sender* that determines the transfer mode. It sounds as if, in this case, the BBS was sending the ZIP file in text mode. A good tipoff would be if the transferred file was bigger than the original file, and every carriage return in the transferred file was followed by a linefeed. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 19:17:39 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20806 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:14 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14811 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:02:12 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!cs.utk.edu!stc06.CTD.ORNL.GOV!fnnews.fnal.gov!uwm.edu!caen!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: apology Date: 9 Dec 1994 05:47:39 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c7m4j$duk@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: eve.adam.com.au X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu sorry about an article apparently posted 3 times - we've had a news problem here Andrew Dunstan Mayne Nickless From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:05:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27310 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA25528 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 17:54:06 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!ee.und.ac.za!psgrain!agora!agora.rdrop.com!tomg From: tomg@agora.rdrop.com (Tom Glover) Subject: Scripts via Telnet X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #9 (NOV) Sender: news@agora.rdrop.com (USENET News) Nntp-Posting-Host: agora.rdrop.com Organization: RainDrop Laboratories Message-Id: Date: Fri, 9 Dec 1994 16:05:03 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with kermit. Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying to do it with a telnet session. Using C-Kermit 5A for SunOS 4.1 Thanks in advance for any help Email - tomg@boiled.egg.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 00:04:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00784 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 19:04:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Scripts via Telnet Date: 10 Dec 1994 00:04:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 24 Message-Id: <3caraa$oe@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Tom Glover wrote: >I realize that this has probably been answered before but I am a novice with >kermit. > >Is it possible to script via telnet (e.g. login, transfer file, logout). I have >had good success doing this via serial comm. lines but can get nowhere trying >to do it with a telnet session. Of course it is. Instead of using TELNET in your script, use SET NETWORK TCP/IP SET HOST whatever your login requires transfer files logout SET HOST As long as you don't enter CONNECT mode, you can run scripts. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 05:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03442 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04799 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:04:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec9.112623.34998@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 11:26:23 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu>, jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > Does MSkermit support the use of Arcnet packet drivers? > The reason I ask is that the docs with the packet drivers say that > to use arcnet, the client software must support it (arcnet) specifically. > They make mention of KA9Q being the only known client to support it. > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > Thanks, > --Larry Powell jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu, lpowell@eis.calstate.edu --------------- As the documentation says, MSK supports Ethernet (DIX/Ethernet_II/ BlueBook) and SLIP Packet Drivers, as well as working directly over ODI for these and other lan topologies. Be sure to use MSK 3.14 beta or later (when there is a later) for TCP/IP over Arcnet ODI drivers due to an ODI ambiguitity problem. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 23:16:28 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04035 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05767 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:17:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!news.alpha.net!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!ulowell.uml.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!not-for-mail From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Organization: Florida International University Message-Id: <-3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Control: cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Subject: cmsg cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 23:16:28 GMT Approved: news@newshost.fiu.edu Lines: 1 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu cancel <3c7fjm$4n9@newshost.fiu.edu> From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 22:03:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05058 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07354 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 20:44:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!caen!news.tc.cornell.edu!newsserver.sdsc.edu!nic-nac.CSU.net!charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu!csusac!csus.edu!netcom.com!jnavas From: jnavas@netcom.com (John Navas) Subject: Re: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Message-Id: Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Organization: The Navas Group, Dublin, CA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 1994 22:03:18 GMT Lines: 23 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3809 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52063 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3736 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1321 comp.lang.c++:96686 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Tolonen Pasi (t130313@cs.tut.fi) wrote: > Dear Sirs, > I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. > The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully > (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found > Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. > I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported > by the package. > If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the > following matters, please share them with me! > - Kermit under MS-Windows > - communication libraries for MS-Windows Check ftp://rainbow.rmii.com/pub2/turbopower -- Best regards, John From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 08:03:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA08495 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13522 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 22:21:40 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!qucdn!smithm Organization: Queen's University at Kingston Date: Tue, 6 Dec 1994 13:03:08 EST From: Mike Smith Message-Id: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've got a user who complains that he gets the error ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that is important. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:47:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11829 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19286 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:47:43 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!jambo.cc.columbia.edu!jt50 From: jt50@columbia.edu (Jess Ting) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 10 Dec 1994 04:47:41 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 9 Message-Id: <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: jambo.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need to quit Kermit and restart it. In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions perfectly well after it is restarted. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 14:17:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12039 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19741 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:55:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 20:17:50 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Dear Joe, > These (4 and 5) are two different cases, and they are different from 3. > Each may be appropriate in certain situations, and I wanted to find > out if Kermit supported them. > > Consider a VAX with a serial card that has large output buffers, as many do. > If a terminal (or Kermit emulating one) just passes through > ^S and ^Q characters (case 3), what happens when the user hits a ^S (XOFF)? > It gets sent to the host. The host CPU detects it and stops sending data. > However, there may be several thousand characters still in the > output buffer of the serial card, and there is no mechanism for the > host CPU to notify the card to stop sending. So, even though > the user has hit ^S, several more pages of data appear on the screen > and scroll off the top of the screen. I've seen this happen many times. > Fortunately, MS-DOS Kermit has a screen scrollback buffer, > but this is still a problem for most users > (those who are not using Kermit, of course). > > In case 4 and 5, when the user hits ^S, Kermit would stop sending > updates to the screen. It would just accumulate any incoming > data from the host into a buffer, then send it to the screen later > when the user hits ^Q. The difference between 4 and 5 is that > in 5 the host also gets notified, so there is a chance that the buffer > will not overflow. In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Accumulating into a buffer is what triggers almost all flow control activity: it reaches a high or low water mark. For snappy flow control response reduce the capacity of the comms channel. Too much storage capacity will result in lost bytes, with no way to prevent that from occuring (except buy a faster PC). > > On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit > last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. > I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used > another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. > The Unix machine was set for no flow control. > I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, > then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started > appearing in the window on my Unix machine. > Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. > Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until > it received a ^Q? I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 14:04:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12173 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 9 Dec 1994 23:58:42 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Dec 1994 14:04:55 GMT Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Jeffrey Altman wrote: >Erik: > >The answer appears to be that at this time server side RENAME >is not possible unless you lower the security barriers a bit >which you do not want to do. No I'm not willing to compromise our system security to rename a file! :) >The only suggestion that I have for you is to perform the rename >on the client before you send the file. Or just send the file >with the name is it supposed to the saved under from the very >start. > >SEND oldname newname > >has exactly the same result as > >SEND oldname >REMOTE RENAME oldname newname But it is not "exactly" the same result, is it? One creates a file called "newname" from the start. The other only creates "newname" after the entire file is successfully sent (assuming that REMOTE RENAME isn't done "if failure"). The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my automatic process to pick up received files on the remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent or not successfully sent. It only picks up files with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions get released? Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 07:32:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12822 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20617 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:06:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gumby!wmichgw!x93aroor From: x93aroor@wmich.edu Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where is Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Date: 7 Dec 94 11:32:12 EDT Organization: Western Michigan University Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi All, Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of kermit for 1) MS-Dos 2) Windows 3) Vax/Vms Thanks in advance -Chandru From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 03:14:41 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15842 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 00:56:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!world!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca!lippens From: lippens@access.mbnet.mb.ca (Rick Lippens) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Date: 8 Dec 1994 03:14:41 GMT Organization: The University of Manitoba Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3c5tn1$qcp@canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: access.mbnet.mb.ca Summary: Kermit and Miss Piggy! Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu So, are Kermit and Miss Piggy still going out or what? Just curious.... Jim Kirk From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 04:59:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16322 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24766 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:04:49 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!swrinde!sgiblab!cs.uoregon.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!henson!evelyn From: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) Subject: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Western Washington University Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 04:59:58 GMT Lines: 18 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new p.c.'s. Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. Thank you, Evelyn -- |Evelyn Albrecht Ph: (206) 650-3239 | |Academic Computing Services Internet: evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu | |Western Washington Univ. | |Bellingham, WA 98225-9094 | From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 06:09:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16506 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24996 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 01:09:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Server side renames - still not solved! Date: 10 Dec 1994 06:09:50 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3cbgne$od2@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c2240$5uh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >The reason I want/need REMOTE RENAME is so that my >automatic process to pick up received files on the >remote end, doesn't try to pick up a file being sent >or not successfully sent. It only picks up files >with the name REC_*.* and they are sent as SENDING_*.*. Not to be obnoxious, but its about time you explained why you needed this. >Frank mentioned that he'll put it in the next version, >so I'm fine with that! Thanks a million Frank! >BTW, not being pushy, but how often do new versions >get released? It depends on how much time we have to program. And how many additional features need to be added. It was about 1.5 years between 5A(189) and 5A(190). Its really hard to say. In the meantime, I suggest that you use the SEND oldname newname mechanism with delete on failure. And then, code your other task to never copy a file unless it can open it with exclusive write access which should fail while the file transfer is occuring. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 16:59:15 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 03:12:31 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00275 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 10 Dec 1994 02:53:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: pc freezing at end of file transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.225915.35079@cc.usu.edu> Date: 9 Dec 94 22:59:15 MDT References: <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec10.045958.2111@henson.cc.wwu.edu>, evelyn@henson.cc.wwu.edu (Evelyn Albrecht) writes: > Users' pc's are freezing at the end of file downloads. When the p.c.'s are > rebooted the transfered files are indeed there. The pc's are recently > acquired Micron 486VL Magnum series JX30G computers. The remote server > is C-Kermit 5A(189), the client is Kermit 3.12. The only difference between > the previous era of successful downloads and the present one is the new > p.c.'s. > Have others with these pc's encountered this problem? Would it be solved > if we went to 5A(190) for the server or MS-Kermit 3.13? Is more information > needed to answer the question, or where can I look for an answer. ----------------- Which communications pathway? Did you revise DOS memory management for the new hardware? Patch level of MSK? Disk caching program really ok? You might try logging the packets on both sides (LOG PACKET command to see who said what to whom). Any other reasonble details. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 09:41:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23777 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:41:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:40:59 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunic!news.funet.fi!news.cs.tut.fi!t130313 From: t130313@cs.tut.fi (Tolonen Pasi) Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls,comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.lang.c++ Subject: Communication libraries for MS-Windows development? Date: 8 Dec 1994 09:41:35 GMT Organization: Tampere University of Technology Lines: 29 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3c6kcf$254@peippo.cs.tut.fi> Nntp-Posting-Host: kaarne.cs.tut.fi Nntp-Posting-User: t130313 Keywords: MS-Windows Kermit C++ Originator: t130313@kaarne.cs.tut.fi Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.os.ms-windows.apps.comm:3822 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc:52114 comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.controls:3743 comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1331 comp.lang.c++:96747 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Dear Sirs, I am looking for communications library for MS-Windows development. The Must for me is Kermit - the package I'm searching should fully (or as fully as possible) implement Kermit. So far I have found Greenleaf Comm++ that implements only Kermit file transfer protocol. I am going to use Visual C++ for coding, so it should be supported by the package. If you have any suggestions, ideas, tests or anything concerning the following matters, please share them with me! - Kermit under MS-Windows - communication libraries for MS-Windows Sincerely, Pasi -- Pasi Tolonen Partolantie as.308 Tel: +358-(9)31-660003 t130313@cs.tut.fi 33950 PIRKKALA Tel: +358-(9)49-675474 Tampere Un. of Tech. FINLAND / EUROPE Fax: +358-(9)31-660003 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 23:45:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23892 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA28607 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 11:45:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.cs.columbia.edu!news.pipeline.com!uunet!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.fiu.edu!newshost.fiu.edu!solix!michaell From: michaell@solix.fiu.edu (Mike R. Langevin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Kermit 3.14 Beta problem with ansi Date: 7 Dec 1994 23:45:17 GMT Organization: Florida International University Lines: 31 Message-Id: <3c5hed$pkk@newshost.fiu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: solix.fiu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am trying out kermits new ansi support and am having a problem with it dropping characters, (the same ones each time) (usually spaces) I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem and fixed it or if anyone knows if it will be corrected in the release version. Also, I am trying to get kermit to work with M. Dudley's Doorway program, thus far I have been able to redefine the keys so those work, the only problem i have now is the remote printing. Is there a way to get kermit to work with it? I know that kermit does work with the VT102 transparernt printing, im wondering if a) Kermit can be setup to work with the doorway method : ie ( ESC[r;nnnP ) where r is the Local LPT port (ie 0=LPT1, 1=LPT2, 2=LPT3) where nnn (or nn, or n) is the Length of (nnn must be between 1 and 255) where is the text to be printed If anyone has an answer or even a direction to look in please either reply or email me at: mike@panther.fiu.edu I would GREATLY GREATLY GREATLY appreciate it!!!! :) Thanks mike@panther.fiu.edu Mike Langevin From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:40:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26787 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03825 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:02:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 10:40:27 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 36 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > > I must be doing something wrong, but I can't figure out what... > > I am trying to use 3.14 Beta-14 with FTP Software PC/TCP 3.0 to connect > from my laptop to my Unix system. The laptop is a Toshiba 1950CS, with > a Xircom PCMCIA ethernet adapter. The Unix system is a DECsystem 5000/50, > running Ultrix 4.4. > > When I first start the system, I can reach the Ultrix system with all of > the normal PC/TCP utilities (ping, tn, rlogin, etc). I then start kermit, > and give it what I think are the minimum configuration commands to get it > working over TCP/IP: > > set tcp addr 193.72.200.10 > set tcp host 193.72.200.7 > con > > It connects, and everything seems just fine. But after I log out, and > terminate kermit, none of the PC/TCP utilities work any more! If I try > to ping the Unix system, I get "ARP failed", and nothing I have tried can > get this working again, short of rebooting the laptop. But if I start > kermit again, I can still connect to the Unix system! I'm really very > confused... -------------- The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still using all the TCP/IP material. If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit SET PORT BIOS1. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:12:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26863 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03942 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 13:04:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 11 Dec 1994 13:12:56 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 14 Message-Id: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up my transfer. I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character unprefixing. Thank You From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:43:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA05061 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 20:38:55 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!news.sprintlink.net!news.indirect.com!monty From: monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) Subject: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: Sender: usenet@indirect.com (System Operator) Organization: Internet Direct, indirect.com Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:43:36 GMT X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2.1 [BP] PL2.1] Lines: 58 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1335 comp.protocols.ppp:7717 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Preface ------- I've read comp.protocols.kermit.misc, comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc, and comp.protocols.ppp for months. I've read _Using MS-DOS Kermit: Connecting Your PC to the Electronic World_, 2nd Edition, by Christine M. Gianone. I've read README files. I've read "beware" files. I've read 'til I've felt like I never wanted to turn on my PC again. I've spoken to people who don't know what PPP is, but who, despite their ignorance, have installed it, "configured" it, and run Mosaic, Netscape, Trumpet, Eudora, POPMail, and numerous other TCP/IP applications for Microsoft Windows with it. I've been told, "I downloaded a file from [name of Internet service provider deleted] and typed `INSTALL' at the Run menu, then just started using it." ("It" is a program that reads mail and USENET news, allows you to connect to remote sites, provides a means of transferring files from remote archives, browses the World Wide Web, graphically and sonorously, tunnels through Gopher space, fingers other people, pings other places, and does the dishes.) I own a 20MHz, i80386SX PC with 2MB of RAM and a 40MB hard drive. I deleted Microsoft Windows 3.0 from my machine long ago. I've been present on the Internet for several years. I was Assistant Manager of the Internet SIG on DELPHI during its earliest days. My employer thinks I'm a computer programmer. I got good grades in school. Most of the time, I don't _feel_ stupid. I admire the teachings of Joe Doupnik and marvel at his prolific contributions to these news groups. I admit I've never understood anything he's written. I don't know why, but I want to run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP connection instead of using Telemate 4.12 to dial up my UNIX shell account. I guess I just don't want to feel left out. Question -------- Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) connection? If so, how? Exactly. Acknowledgments --------------- Thank you all, in advance, for spending many hours of your valuable time helping to make my dream of a better life on the 'Net come true. --- Jim Monty Home: (602) 839-5421 monty@indirect.com Work: (602) 598-0183 jimmonty@delphi.com monty@aztec.asu.edu James_T_..Monty.andersen_wo@notes.compuserve.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 13:33:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15088 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:42 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10148 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 11 Dec 1994 21:49:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 available Message-Id: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 19:33:19 MDT Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta-15 is available for anonymous ftp from kermit.columbia.edu as of Sunday, 11 December 1994, 7:36pm Eastern USA time: kermit/test/bin/mstibm.zip - Binary ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.uue - Uuencoded ZIP file kermit/test/text/mstibm.boo - BOO-encoded ZIP file The UUE and BOO files are also available on BITNET from KERMSRV at CUVMA. Changes and fixes since Beta-14 include: . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. . Fixed VT220/320 Protected Fields again . 132-column scroll vs SET TERM VIDEO BIOS bug fixed. . Correct handling of TELNET Data Mark (IAC DM). . Fixed problem with SET TRANSLATION KEY {ON, OFF}. . Kanji bug with SET TERM VIDEO BIOS fixed. . New mappings for special keys of the Japanese DOS/V Kanji 106 keyboard. . Changed ? help message for internal DIAL command. . \freplace(...) function added (see KERMIT.UPD) . SET TERM GRAPHICS VESA (800x600) added (ditto) . Graphics-screen dump to TIFF lost some color info - shades of gray, etc -- now fixed. As yet unresolved is a problem with apparent premature timeouts reading packets under DDK conditions (regular length packets, printable start of packet character, heavy echoing of what's sent, interspersal of cursor commands and packets, etc). Please continue to send reports by e-mail to kermit@columbia.edu. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:18:29 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20924 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20129 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:16 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Message-Id: <1994Dec11.211829.35179@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:18:29 MDT References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 31 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) writes: > I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make > my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. I have heard > using using long packet (9024) and setting RTS/CTS control, > but is there any other tricks that I can use to speed up > my transfer. > > I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character > unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me > and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone > can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly > am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character > unprefixing. ---------------- It's a good question, and one asked (and answered) so frequently that we really do need an FAQ. Here are two suggestions. First, read more about it in the MS-DOS Kermit v3.14 beta docs, binary file mstibm.zip in directory kermit/test/bin on kermit.columbia.edu. Second, long packets, plus a few sliding windows slots, brings you very good performance. Be sure to use adequate flow control everywhere, preferrably hardware RTS/CTS on the PC+modem. Not all hosts or comms channels can take lots of bytes in a row so back off if things fail. For the utmost performance at high risk you may start unprefixing control codes via the SET CONTROL UNPREFIX command; use only at your own risk. Remember that the other end has to play along. It may well be that other end has neither long packet nor sliding windows capabilities. If so this is an excellent time to upgrade the most likely ancient C Kermit on the Sun to the modern C Kermit v5A(190). That has all the bells and whistles. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, cd c-kermit, explore, raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 15:23:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20139 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:08:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Date: 11 Dec 94 21:23:11 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jt50@jambo.cc.columbia.edu (Jess Ting) writes: > > I've had exactly the same problem. What I've noticed is that when > the modem is on BEFORE I start Windows, Kermit loads ok, but when > I turn on the modem only AFTER Windows has already started, I need > to quit Kermit and restart it. > > In any event, the problem is merely a nuisance, as Kermit functions > perfectly well after it is restarted. ---------- Mr. Gate's outfit needs to address that one. Windows fakes the real hardware to the DOS box, so Kermit sees what Windows wants it to see and Windows itself deals with the actual hardware. That's what these .386 VxD's are about (faking the machine, in lieu of a real kernel). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 04:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21586 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21258 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 00:21:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!ub!ns1.potsdam.edu!news.potsdam.edu!nelson From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Date: 12 Dec 1994 04:51:44 GMT Organization: Crynwr Software Lines: 16 Message-Id: References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: nh2.potsdam.edu In-Reply-To: jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu's message of 9 Dec 1994 01:06:27 -0800 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed to initialize and/or self test. ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version of ARCETHER and command line did you use? -- -russ http://www.crynwr.com/crynwr/nelson.html Crynwr Software | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support | ask4 PGP key 11 Grant St. | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX) | What is thee doing about it? Potsdam, NY 13676 | What part of "Congress shall make no law" eludes Congress? From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 19:52:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24593 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24460 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 01:23:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!vic.cc.purdue.edu!abe From: abe@vic.cc.purdue.edu (Vic Abell) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where is Kermit? Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:52:00 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3c53p0$1av@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> References: <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> Nntp-Posting-Host: vic.cc.purdue.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec7.113212.25023@wmichgw> x93aroor@wmich.edu writes: > Does anybody know from where I could download the latest version of >kermit for >1) MS-Dos >2) Windows >3) Vax/Vms The best source for Kermit files is the "official" source, kermit.columbia.edu. It permits anonymous ftp access and has copious README files to guide your journey through its many files and directories. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 5 09:04:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29919 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA00385 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 04:10:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!Germany.EU.net!news.dfn.de!zeus.rbi.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de!terra.wiwi.uni-frankfurt.de!news.th-darmstadt.de!fauern!news.unibw-muenchen.de!p41bsmk From: p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 5 Dec 1994 09:04:30 GMT Organization: University of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Lines: 35 Message-Id: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #5 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I noted an inconsistency (or bug?). The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: define TELNET - set flow none,- set port tcp \%1 \%2,- pause 0, if fail end 1,- if def \%3 set term type \%3,- if succ c and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: define myhost - telnet myhost 23 vt320,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet term-type". -- Peter Schmolck p41bsmk@rz.unibw-muenchen.de Department of Education Phone : +49-89-6004-2056 Univ. of the Federal Armed Forces Munich Fax : +49-89-6004-3968 85577 NEUBIBERG, GERMANY From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:08:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09623 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12966 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:08:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:08:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 49 Message-Id: <3chlh1$cl0@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, Peter Schmolck wrote: >I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do >with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I >noted an inconsistency (or bug?). ... the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > >set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet >term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). > Well, as the accompanying comment says, it's only a sample, which you should adjust for the host(s) you are actually using, e.g.: set telnet term-type vt220,- telnet myhost,- if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) Kermit sends its actual terminal type during TELNET negotiations UNLESS you have given a SET TELNET TERM command, which overrides the actual terminal type, but only for the purposes of telling the TELNET server what kind of terminal type you have. This is useful, for example, if Kermit's terminal type is VT320, but the host knows the same terminal by a different name, such as VT300, and does not recognize Kermit's terminal name. >When I changed the myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- >expectedly -- the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- >the remote TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > I checked this just now and it didn't happen to me. Probably you just continued the same session, and the terminal type was not renegotiated? >BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." >Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet >term-type". > You're right, we'll fix it. Thanks! - Frank x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:48:20 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12559 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16901 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:48:25 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:48:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 11 Message-Id: <3chnrk$gfs@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1343 comp.protocols.ppp:7728 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jim Monty wrote: >Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) >connection? If so, how? Exactly. > This question is asked a lot, and we don't yet have an answer. I hope you get a definitive response, because until now all attempts that I have heard about to do this have resulted in failure or hung PCs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 14:52:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17376 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 09:53:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 12 Dec 1994 14:52:59 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3cho4b$guh@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu>, Hung Chau wrote: >I was wondering what is the best setup that I can have to make >my kermit transfer between the Sun and the PC. ... > Rather than repost the long tutorial on this subject (again), I have put it as the first entry in a new Frequently Asked Questions file: anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/e, text mode, file faq.txt. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 03:59:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21197 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26598 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:40:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Message-Id: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 09:59:22 MDT References: <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 76 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c2me7$d29@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > Could I get an explanation of how flow control works in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14? > I've read the MS-DOS Kermit book and the KERMIT.UPD file, but they > only tell you that you can set flow control to NONE, XON/XOFF, and RTS/CTS, > and that the XON/XOFF can be set separately for ingoing and outgoing data. > The documentation does not give any detail beyond that. > > I'm especially interested in XON/XOFF. > Here are my questions: > > 1) Does "ingoing" mean from the host into the serial port of the PC > and then into Kermit, and does "outgoing" mean from Kermit out > the serial port to the host? Yes. INCOMING means flow control bytes to/incoming Kermit on the PC, OUTGOING means from/outgoing from the PC to the remote host, and XON/XOFF means in both directions. > 2) Is flow control in Kermit supposed to work the same during > terminal emulation as during Kermit file transfer? > And is it the same during TRANSMIT? Transport channels service all higher layers the same way. Recall that flow control is a datalink affair, not high level operation. > 3) What is the correct setting to have Kermit pass any ^S and ^Q > characters on to the host, without further processing? > This would emulate a terminal that implements no flow control at all. That's a host problem, yes? > 4) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but not send the ^S and ^Q to the host? The host must stop sending, then the screen will have nothing new to display. > 5) What is the correct setting to have Kermit freeze the screen when > the user types ^S, and unfreeze it when the user types ^Q, > but also send the ^S and ^Q to the host? > This would emulate a real VT-100, I think. See 4. > 6) What is the correct setting to have Kermit send a ^S to the host > if the host is sending data faster than Kermit can process it, > then send a ^Q when Kermit can again process new data? > This is also the way a real VT-100 works. > In this mode, what is the maximum number of characters the > host can send after Kermit sends the ^S, without Kermit losing any? That's the essence of flow control. OUTGOING or XON/XOFF does exactly this. Kermit has a several hundred byte cushion, but modems and host buffers and other comms storage may exceed that. Kermit does not stop working when it sends and XOFF to the host, so overrun is a gradual effect. A real VT100 is much slower than MSK and has only a few bytes of cushion. > 7) What is the correct setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S sent from > the host, then not send any data to the host until the host > sends a ~Q? In this mode, how many characters can the user > type without Kermit losing any? > > 8) Suppose Kermit is doing a TRANSMIT without PROMPT, so that it is > just sending the contents of a file out the serial port. > What is the setting to have Kermit recognize a ^S from the host > as a signal to not send any more data, then resume sending > when the host sends a ^Q? Again, basic flow control. The host is sending the XON/XOFF flow control bytes. Deduction: use SET FLOW INCOMING or XON/XOFF. > 9) Is all this documented somewhere? If so, I will certainly feel foolish > for having missed it. We don't offer a tutorial in basic datacomms so all these details are not explained in the user's manual. The actions are, but not the way you ask the questions. > 10) If I want to see how this is implemented, where is it handled > in the source code? Serial comms are in file msxibm.asm. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 04:04:50 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21219 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26631 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 11:41:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec7.100450.34785@cc.usu.edu> Date: 7 Dec 94 10:04:50 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 21 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <94340.130308SMITHM@QUCDN.QueensU.CA>, Mike Smith writes: > I've got a user who complains that he gets the error > > ?Cannot use RTS/CTS on non-UART ports > > when running Kermit under Windows. The confusing thing is that when this > happens he typically quits Kermit and tries again with success. Can anyone > suggest what it is I should be looking for in his Windows configuration? > Also, there are apparently times when the initial attempt succeeds if that > is important. ---------------- SET FLOW RTS/CTS is rational only for the hardware serial ports, COM1..4. If Windows messes up and Kermit can't verify the IRQ then Kermit uses the Bios pathway, and that's not hardware. I wish there were one piece of advice we could offer on using any serial comms program in Windows, but (aside from "please don't") there isn't. Windows provides ample facilities to fail, both by overdriving the lesser UART chips (8250 class) and by inadequate Windows serial drivers as well as not giving enough service time to the real serial hardware. I guess as close as we will come is if the port fails then slow down. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 01:46:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10299 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08516 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 6 Dec 1994 12:16:26 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 12 Message-Id: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous releases) running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup (HUP) signal. Thanks, Dave Pearse Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 6 06:05:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08520 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:08 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 6 Dec 1994 16:35:31 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c0uvb$5di@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 08:49:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10311 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:06:37 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!msunews!harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au!yarrina.connect.com.au!adam.com.au!adam.com.au!not-for-mail From: mnits@adam.com.au (Mayne Nickless) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: problem with "set file incomplete discard" Date: 7 Dec 1994 19:19:21 +1030 Organization: ADAM Pty Ltd. Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3c3suh$75t@adam.com.au> X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are having some problems with kermit 5a(190) running on both SunOs 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. Our users connect to a modem which is hanging on some DCX network equipment, and from there connecting to a Sun box, where kermit is run up in server mode, with "set file incomplete discard" set in the .kermrc. If the user disconnects (e.g. a modem hangup), an incompletely transferred file is _not_ discarded. We have had the same problem with previous versions of c-kermit - it is not new in version 190. When we traced the kermit server process, it appeared that it got the hangup and then just died. Any help would be appreciated. cheers Andrew Dunstan Systems Administrator Mayne Nickless ITS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 05:37:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15344 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:36 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17116 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 00:37:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: "Set incomplete discard" Problem Date: 13 Dec 1994 05:37:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cjbus$gmd@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3c0fpi$126@adam.com.au>, Mayne Nickless wrote: >We have come across a problem using C-Kermit(190) (and previous >releases) >running on Sunos 4.1.3 and Solaris 2.3. We run a c-kermit server using >the "set incomplete discard" parameter. We send a file via our Cray >network from MSdos kermit 3.13. When this file transfer is interupted for >any reason (eg:hangup). The incomplete file is not discarded. We have >traced the server process and it seem to die on receiving the hangup >(HUP) signal. > This is probably because most Unix systems automatically kill the shell when the HUP signal is received. Killing the shell kills all child processing (ie, kermit). Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 8 01:00:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19704 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 02:24:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.duke.edu!godot.cc.duq.edu!newsfeed.pitt.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!csn!csnnews!gfritz From: gfritz@csn.net (Gary Fritz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Lockup problem Date: 8 Dec 1994 01:00:18 GMT Organization: Colorado Supernet Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3c5lr2$1e7@news-2.csn.net> References: <3bsjb2$1e1@news-2.csn.net> <3bvci1$lu8@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: 199.117.27.22 X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote: : Did you read the HP-UX section of ckuker.bwr? Quoting: No, I didn't (blush) but: : Before you can use serial ports on the HP-9000, you must configure them as : either "terminals" or "modems" with SAM ("peripheral devices"..."terminals and : modems"), The line is configured as such, and works for cu and for dialin. : Other things to watch out for: bidirectional ttys (see earlier posting about : this), improperly configured modem (DSR or CTS signals missing, for example), : or perhaps commands in your .kermrc that might cause the open() to hang: : "set carrier on nnn", "set flow rts/cts" (when CTS is not being asserted), : etc. I don't have a .kermrc. Can you give me a hint what would cause DSR and CTS signals to be missing? I'll look for the bidirectional discussion. I have used this line bidirectionally, so that may be a good lead. What confuses me is that it *was* working (although VERY slowly) at one time, and then *something* changed and now it doesn't. I don't know what the *something* is, but the fact that it used to work would seem to indicate that it's not a version problem, or anything that hasn't changed in the meantime. I don't *think* it's the modem, because I've switched modems since then and it didn't change anything. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 22:51:44 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26813 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:08 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01578 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 06:02:06 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!zombie.ncsc.mil!paladin.american.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!news.ccs.queensu.ca!news.ccs.queensu.ca!not-for-mail From: mike@knot.QueensU.CA (Mike Smith) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Divide Overflow Date: 7 Dec 1994 17:51:44 -0500 Organization: Queen's University, Kingston Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3c5ea0$7fo@ccs-sparc2.queensu.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: ccs-sparc2.ccs Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu The February 1994 edition of mskerm.bwr includes some comments about a divide overflow error when running under Windows. These comments are omitted from the beware file in the Beta-14 distribution. Is this because MSK3.14 is no longer susceptible to this problem? I ask because I'm getting reports of the problem from a 3.13 user and it would be nice to give him the good news that the problem is fixed in the next release. Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 -- Mike Smith mike@ccs.queensu.ca Queen's University Michael.D.Smith@QueensU.CA Computing and Communications Services (613) 545-2024 From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 22:07:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12960 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:26 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22353 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 19:31:23 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!chsun!pan!jw From: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: Reply-To: jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) Organization: Adasoft AG, Switzerland References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 1994 22:07:07 GMT Expires: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 23:00:00 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >using all the TCP/IP material. Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it works just fine. Thanks for the help. > If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >SET PORT BIOS1. This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. jw From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 14 00:12:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:07 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29329 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 13 Dec 1994 20:52:05 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.unt.edu!hermes.oc.com!convex!not-for-mail From: hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:12:30 -0600 Organization: CONVEX News Network, Engineering (cnn.eng), Richardson, Tx USA Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: bach.convex.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the > words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a > way to turn it off? > Thanks a lot. I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible to read. -- Wesley Hart "Optimism -- The belief that everything Software Product Engineer will work out well. Irrational; hart@bach.convex.com bordering on insane" Phone: (214)497-4501 -- The Armageddon Factor From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 07:57:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01395 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:53 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23105 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 02:57:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!panix!not-for-mail From: ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Date: 14 Dec 1994 02:57:46 -0500 Organization: Meemi Selfand Ink Lines: 18 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Nntp-Posting-Host: panix.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post (dated 5 Dec 1994): ---snip--- #!/usr/bin/ksh fg="\033[2\"q" bk="\033[1\"q" cf="\033[?2J" echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" ---snip--- As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not be erased. -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@panix.com) From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 7 21:44:02 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02945 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:06 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA24824 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 03:48:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!panix!cmcl2!yale.edu!yale!CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU!STAMANDP From: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU (Paul St. Amand) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: C-Kermit 5A(190) log session file type? Date: 7 Dec 1994 21:44:02 GMT Organization: Central Connecticut State University, New Britian, CT Lines: 36 Message-Id: <3c5ab2$69o@babyblue.cs.yale.edu> Reply-To: stamandp@CCSUA.CTSTATEU.EDU Nntp-Posting-Host: ccsua.ctstateu.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've noticed that when I "log session this.txt" under edit 190 that the file record format type under VMS has changed from These are the file attributes from 5A(189) OLD_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17226,34,0) Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control These are the file attributes from 5A(190) NEW_FILE.PRN;1 File ID: (17500,18,0) Record format: Stream, maximum 82 bytes Record attributes: Carriage return carriage control All the log files have a at the start of the lines and the stream record format causes and extra linefeed on the printed output. What changed the record format from stream_lf to Stream and why? Any easy way around this? Thanks, -Paul St. Amand +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Paul R. St. Amand | INTERNET stamandp@ccsu.ctstateu.edu ITT Hartford, Investment Div. | DECNET(ctstateu) CCSU::STAMANDP Central Connecticut State University | (203)843-4117 (Business) UPE Beta Chapter of Connecticut, CCSU| | Disclaimer: These comments are mine and do not reflect the administration From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 09:46:14 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26352 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:34:01 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!news From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: Script question X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 09:46:14 GMT Lines: 13 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... do until input = string Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 15:45:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05089 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:05 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26758 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:42:04 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!lerc.nasa.gov!purdue!mozo.cc.purdue.edu!coastal.ecn.purdue.edu!laird From: laird@coastal.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 10 Dec 1994 15:45:18 GMT Organization: Purdue University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: coastal.ecn.purdue.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1358 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9529 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into a problem with both programs wanting complete control of the port. Is there a way to get either program to share the port? Ideally, I would get slip to look like an external protocol, but at this point I'd be happy with kermit acting as a slip dialer. Thanks! --kyler From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 03:01:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05235 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26912 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:46:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.protocols.ppp Subject: Re: [?] Merit PPP and MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 PL17 Message-Id: <1994Dec10.090145.35091@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 09:01:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 12 Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1359 comp.protocols.ppp:7770 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , monty@indirect.com (Jim Monty) writes: > Can I run MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 over a PPP (specifically, Merit PPP) > connection? If so, how? Exactly. ----------- The indications are that "etherppp" provides an Ethernet Packet Driver interface to applications. I phrase this as indications because I've never been able to get etherppp to avoid hanging my PC as it installs itself in memory. If you get it to install cleanly then treat it as an Ethernet (which kind???, hopefully DIX/Ethernet_II/regular) Packet Driver. By default Kermit will look for a Packet Driver when its internal TCP/IP stack begins. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:14:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05270 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:02 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27041 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 04:47:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!sundog.tiac.net!max.tiac.net!ciaraldi From: ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Flow Control in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Date: 10 Dec 1994 16:14:11 GMT Organization: The Internet Access Company Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cck4j$cbs@sundog.tiac.net> References: <1994Dec7.095922.34783@cc.usu.edu> <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net> <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: max.tiac.net Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.201750.35072@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3c7enb$atf@sundog.tiac.net>, ciaraldi@max.tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi) writes: > In the user's manual is the keyboard verb \kholdscrn. That is >equivalent to DEC's HoldScreen key. Great. This may be just what I need. I'll try binding it to the appropriate key. >> On case 8, I asked because I was doing some tests on Kermit >> last week and found what I thought was funny behavior. >> I wired my PC to a Unix machine's serial port and used >> another comm program on the Unix machine to talk to that port. >> The Unix machine was set for no flow control. >> I gave the command SET FLOW XON to the PC Kermit, >> then did a TRANSMIT. The contents of the file started >> appearing in the window on my Unix machine. >> Then I hit a ^S on the Unix machine. The PC kept sending the file. >> Shouldn't Kermit have stopped sending the file until >> it received a ^Q? > I have no idea what the Unix machine actually sent, if anything. >Tell MS-DOS Kermit SET DEBUG ON and enter Connect mode to debug the >Unix side. MSK should respond to the XOFF, and when it has something >to send while blocked it will wait about 8-10 seconds before breaking >through and sending (a deadlock prevention mechanism). I'll try this and report back if there is a problem. I have a tester on the serial line so I can tell if a character got sent out the serial port or not. Thanks for the details, Joe! --Mike Ciaraldi (now an even-more-satisfied Kermit user) From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 10:06:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09761 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01137 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:25:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!usenet.hana.nm.kr!sun330.snu.ac.kr!usenet From: u3311007@power3.snu.ac.kr () Subject: Binary Transfer Message-Id: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Sender: usenet@sun330.snu.ac.kr (NEWS POSTER) Nntp-Posting-Host: 147.46.10.27 Organization: SNU,KOREA X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9] Date: Fri, 9 Dec 94 10:06:56 GMT Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello. I'm using C-Kermit 5A. But there some problem in transfering binary files. When I transfer binary file from another internet site, the size of the file becomes larger! even if I set the parameters right. > set file type binary I don't know the version of the remote kermit. please tell me what is the problem. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 21:02:19 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16265 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01535 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 06:38:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!EU.net!sun4nl!josv From: jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) Subject: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: Sender: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Reply-To: josv@inter.nl.net (Jos Vos) Organization: X/OS Experts in Open Systems, Amsterdam, The Netherlands Date: Sat, 10 Dec 1994 21:02:19 GMT Lines: 11 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this feature? -- -- Jos Vos -- X/OS Experts in Open Systems | Telephone: +31 20 6420481 -- Amsterdam, The Netherlands | Facsimile: +31 20 6145474 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:36:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15237 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10785 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:36:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Binary Transfer Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:36:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 30 Message-Id: <3cmvtu$agt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec9.100656.12550@news.snu.ac.kr>, wrote: >I'm using C-Kermit 5A. >But there some problem in transfering binary files. >When I transfer binary file from another internet site, >the size of the file becomes larger! >even if I set the parameters right. > >> set file type binary > >I don't know the version of the remote kermit. > >please tell me what is the problem. > It is hard to say without knowing which software is on the other end. The general rule for modern Kermit software is: give the command SET FILE TYPE BINARY to the file sender and it will automatically tell the file receiver that the transfer mode is binary. But since you do not know which software is on the other end, it is possible that this software does not support the transfer-mode notification feature. Therefore, when in doubt, tell BOTH Kermit programs to SET FILE TYPE BINARY. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:39:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10911 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:39:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Script question Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:39:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3cn02p$akt@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Archimedes L. Trajano wrote: >I want to add a line in my macro definition that would go like this... > >do > >until input = string > It is relatively easy to "compile" constructions like this "by hand". :LOOP INPUT IF FAIL GOTO LOOP - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:42:49 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15796 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11252 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:42:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip Subject: Re: Can CKermit for OS/2 and SLIP share? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:42:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cn099$avf@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Xref: news.columbia.edu comp.protocols.kermit.misc:1365 comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip:9590 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cciee$luj@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, Kyler Laird wrote: >I need to send a BREAK signal as part of my login and >the only way I know of to do this is with Kermit. >The problem I'm running into now is that I can't call >ckermit as my slip.exe -connect option, nor can I >execute slip.exe from ckermit. Each time, I run into >a problem with both programs wanting complete control >of the port. > This will be possible in version 5A(191) of OS/2 C-Kermit, which should be available for testing fairly soon. Version 5A(191) is expected to contain only OS/2-specific enhancements, and therefore will probably be released only for OS/2. Watch this newsgroup for announcements. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:46:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16142 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11462 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:46:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:46:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3cn0fo$b62@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jos Vos wrote: >One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator >which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature >of VT220 terminals. Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) >support this feature? > MS-DOS Kermit, which is also the only Kermit program that we recommend or support for Windows, does support this feature. You should try MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 Beta, since version 3.14 supports it better than did previous releases, by addition of \Kverbs (\KudkF6..F20) specifically for the UDKs, which you can assign to the keys or key-combos of your choice. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME file to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 14:53:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16689 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 09:53:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 14 Dec 1994 14:53:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 27 Message-Id: <3cn0te$bpu@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, Wesley Hart wrote: >In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? > >I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >to read. > If your newsreader is like mine, it displays the subject not as "highlighted" text, but rather as "underlined" text. But color PC video adapters do not support an underlined attribute, so MS-DOS Kermit displays underlined text in a distinct fore/background color combination. In version 3.13, it chose these colors automatically, based on the regular fore/background colors. In version 3.14 (still in Beta), we have a new command, SET TERMINAL UNDERSCORE, to let you choose the underscore-simulation colors yourself. The syntax is the same as with SET TERMINAL COLOR. Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu, directory kermit/test/bin, binary mode, file mstibm.zip, unzip with "-d" switch, read top-level READ.ME to get started. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:04:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26782 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:49 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23494 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Protected fields in MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 beta-15 Message-Id: <1994Dec14.090409.35416@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:04:08 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu>, Organization: Utah State University Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ami@panix.com (Ami Bar-Yadin) writes: > I tested protected fields in beta-15 and they still don't work. > I used the same unix shell script I showed in my previous post > (dated 5 Dec 1994): > > ---snip--- > #!/usr/bin/ksh > fg="\033[2\"q" > bk="\033[1\"q" > cf="\033[?2J" > echo "${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}foreground${bk}background${fg}${cf}" > ---snip--- > > As before Kermit responds with a blank screen with the shell prompt > towards the top. Both "foreground" and "background" words are > erased, which should not happen - the "background" words should not > be erased. ------------ That's odd, because this sequence works properly here using Beta-15. The screen shows only the words "background" after erasure. Maybe you should turn on debugging (SET DEBUG ON) to see what the host is actually sending. Or make a short test file and REPLAY it locally. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 03:13:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26792 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 12:01:51 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Message-Id: <1994Dec14.091300.35417@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 09:13:00 MDT References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca>, Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) writes: > > Hello Joe: > > Another window-ish question: > > Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually > Novells. > > We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which > can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). > > Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions > when using Winsock? -------------- I'd like to say "there's only one" but that would not be entirely fair. While at DOS level outside of Windows (not the DOS box) load Novell's TELAPI after starting their TCP/IP stack. MS-DOS Kermit can use that while in Windows, via SET PORT BIOSn, or SET PORT 3COM(BAPI), or SET PORT NOVELL(NASI), or with a simple assistance of macro "telapi" such as def telapi run tsu -o \%1 -p \%2 k1,run tsu -a k1 1,set port nov (run as Kermit command telapi host.domain). I think I need to remind readers that many "winsock" interfaces are but a thin layer which reaches down to a TCP/IP stack loaded as a DOS TSR. Not all, but many. So the attraction is more glitter (memory hogging, more software to pass through for every byte) than one might suspect. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:00:00 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA05765 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA07157 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:18:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu!lewart From: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Date: 14 Dec 94 19:00:00 GMT Organization: DSL Consulting Lines: 23 Message-Id: References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) Nntp-Posting-Host: rsm1.physics.uiuc.edu X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 (NOV) Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: set duplex f set duplex f set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h set duplex f set duplex h set duplex h where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. Thanks again, Daniel Lewart d-lewart@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 19:27:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA06216 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:46 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08028 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 14:27:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!inibara.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@inibara.cc.columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 14 Dec 1994 19:27:43 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: inibara-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm a big fan of Joe and Frank's work with MS-Kermit. However, I am typing this using Commo 6.0, because its screen updating speed is magnitudes better than MS-Kermit 3.14 on my puny XT clone. (I'm on a 14.4k dialup connection to Columbia U.) Previously I've written on how Telix's screen updating is better than Kermit's as well, but Commo blows them both out of the water! I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? And yes, I have SET TERM VIDEO-WRITING DIRECT (the default) on--it's pretty painful if set to BIOS. Pleaes note this is not a complaint in any way--Kermit's rock-solid emulation and other features is a big, big plus. Consider it more of a wish for the future. Thanks! -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 19:23:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10103 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:35:01 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 15:34:59 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!udel!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia Date: Mon, 12 Dec 1994 19:23:01 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I reported this problem earlier, but got no replies. I'm running ... C-Kermit 5A(190), 4 Oct 94, for OpenVMS VAX Copyright (C) 1985, 1994, And have a macro to send a file like this... send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a There are some other commands in the macro besides this, but the file pointed to by the logical SENDFILE_LOCAL is about 700 blocks and this send is exiting in a split second and saying that it worked fine! I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit anything?? Thanks, Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:22:55 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14042 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:59 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01167 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 16:22:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 14 Dec 1994 21:22:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Message-Id: <3cnnnf$14d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: >I can follow the exact steps manually and the send works >fine. Any advice? What would cause the send to say >it finished successfully when in fact it didn't transmit >anything?? Sounds like a possible bug. I would need more info, such as a DEBUG LOG file to be able to see what is happening. Create two log files: 1) done manually. 2) done with the macro and send them to me or kermit@columbia.edu for examination. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 04:42:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22245 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13211 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:38:26 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!newshub.ccs.yorku.ca!newshub.ariel.cs.yorku.ca!blue!cs932070 From: "Archimedes L. Trajano" Subject: disable dial display X-Sender: cs932070@blue Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-Id: Sender: news@red.ariel.cs.yorku.ca Organization: York University, Department of Computer Science Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 11 Dec 1994 04:42:36 GMT Lines: 9 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu How do I remove the dial progress dialog in C-Kermit? SET DIAL DISPLAY OFF removes the modem responses, but I want it so that nothing appears on the screen when I dial. Archimedes L. Trajano _/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ cs932070@ariel.cs.yorku.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ York University (IRC: Overdrive) _/_/_/ _/ _/ Department of Computer Science _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/_/_/ _/ North York, Ontario, Canada From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 10 16:38:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22900 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:33 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14256 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 18:52:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!agate!dog.ee.lbl.gov!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VT220 DEC User Defined Keys supported in MS-Kermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec10.223845.35130@cc.usu.edu> Date: 10 Dec 94 22:38:45 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jos@xos.nl (Jos Vos) writes: > One of my customers wants to use a MS-DOS or MS-Windows emulator > which is able to support the DECUDK (DEC User Defined Keys) feature > of VT220 terminals. > > Does Kermit (either the MS-DOS or MS-Windows version) support this > feature? --------------- For a rather complete list of features and their explainations may I direct you to the user's manual, the book "Using MS-DOS Kermit." In there you will find that MS-DOS Kermit has supported DEC UDK's for years. Full details of the book ident are given on screen two of the Kermit HELP command. MS-DOS Kermit is a DOS program which runs fine also in DOS boxes of Windows, NT and OS/2. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 21:30:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23627 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15334 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:05:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!willis.cis.uab.edu!news.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!unix1.sncc.lsu.edu!not-for-mail From: itspaul@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu (Paul Velardo) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 14 Dec 1994 15:30:18 -0600 Organization: Louisiana State University Lines: 8 Message-Id: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: unix1.sncc.lsu.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. We have tried the SET KEY option with many different designations and nothing seems to work properly. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks, PAUL From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 00:52:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26201 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 19:52:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 00:52:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Yeechang Lee wrote: >I know Kermit's written with assembly, and I presume Commo is as well. >Any hopes of speeding up the screen updates under Kermit in the future? > I'll have to take your word that Commo updates your screen faster than Kermit does, but on my own PC (on which I usually run MS-DOS Kermit under plain DOS over an Ethernet connection), it's hard to imagine how the screen updates could possibly be any faster. If I (for example) refresh the EMACS screen that I'm in right now by typing Ctrl-L, the entire screen is painted instantaneously). So I would say that the screen-updating method is not a bottleneck. On slow PCs, the CPU is a likely bottleneck. In that case, you are looking at tradeoffs. Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to bet) than Commo's emulator. A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal compared to ANSI or VT100. Also, I wonder if Commo runs in an MS-Windows window? Kermit does, and must take additional steps in order to do so. Back in the old days, when XTs were current, MS-DOS Kermit was a lot smaller and did less. Like PCs and all the other software that runs on them, it has grown with the times. But at least it still runs on XTs, which is something you probably can't say about most other popular PC software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:02:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26661 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19724 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:02:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: HELP! creating a delete key Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:02:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3co4if$j88@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cno5a$3ihv@unix1.sncc.lsu.edu>, Paul Velardo wrote: >We are telling users to use the DECVT241 terminal emulator... > You mean VT220? >to connect to our system when using kermit 3.13. >We have run into the problem of not having a destructive delete >key and can't figure out how to map one onto the delete key itself. > The Delete key sends the Delete character (\127) unless you tell it otherwise. The other common choice is Backspace (\8). If neither of these work for you, then you are probably facing a host or application that wants something else. Kermit does not know what your application wants -- it is up to you to make them agree. The trick is to either: (a) Find out what the application wants and then use SET KEY to assign the desired sequence to the desired key, or: (b) Reconfigure the application to accept a different character as a destructive backspace. Some applications actually want you to send the following sequence in order to do a destructive backspace: \8\32\8 - try that. Or try the arrow-key equivalent, \27OD\32\27OD, or \27[D\32\27[D. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:32:53 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28369 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22110 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 14 Dec 1994 20:32:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!namaste.cc.columbia.edu!ycl6 From: ycl6@columbia.edu (Yeechang Lee) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Any way to get Commo-like screen updating speeds with MS-Kermit? Date: 15 Dec 1994 01:32:53 GMT Organization: Trilateral Commission, Columbia University student chapter Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3co6c5$lis@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3cngvf$7qn@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Reply-To: Yeechang Lee Nntp-Posting-Host: namaste-cddi.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3co3vj$id9@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: |Kermit's emulator does a lot more (I'm willing to |bet) than Commo's emulator. No disagreements here, though Commo's VT102 emulation is better than most. |A VT320 is an astoundingly complex terminal |compared to ANSI or VT100. I've tried SET TERM VT102, but it doesn't seem any faster than in VT320 mode . . . -- _____________________________________________________________________ Yeechang Lee (ycl6@columbia.edu)|Nevada Las Vegas Mission Jul'92-'94 Columbia University/New York City|Celestial Kingdom through Taco Bell Still working on that juggling-while-I-play-the-harmonica trick . . . From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 9 23:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14174 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02977 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:30:13 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 9 Dec 1994 23:00:51 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 14 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: orion.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 02:57:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA14831 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 02:51:22 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 02:57:35 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >> >>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>> way to turn it off? >>> Thanks a lot. >> >> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >> to read. >--------- > So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >prefer. Did I miss a point here? > Joe D. Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:27:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA26067 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20300 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:27:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Ckermit OS/2 (190) and Ctrl-C Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:27:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 26 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3cpjo4$jq4@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3canj3$4rb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu > >P.S. To confuse matters, at the same time I switched to version 190 I >also replaced OS/2 2.11 with OS/2 Warp. No, of course, it isn't supposed to happen. But you are the first person whom I am hearing it from. I am running 190 on WARP without problems. What are you doing when you type Ctrl-C? And contact me off line about this because newsfeeds are just too slow. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:50:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27692 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:41 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21736 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:50:39 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:50:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Message-Id: <3cpl3r$l74@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.wpi.edu>, Eeyore wrote: >In article <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >>In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: >>> In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: >>>> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >>>> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >>>> way to turn it off? >>> I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like >>> kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible >>> to read. >>So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you >>prefer. Did I miss a point here? > > Maybe *I* missed something here. I tried typing SET TERMINAL > COLOR while in Kermit, and it didn't recognize it. > This kind of confusion comes up because of the delays inherent in news. This question was already asked and answered, but you evidently did not see the answer before posting the question, but by now you probably have seen the answer, so I don't think I need to post it again. Please wait a couple days and if you still haven't seen it, send email to kermit@columbia.edu. - Frank x x x x x x x x x From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:00:10 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24848 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08903 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:44:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: naive script writing question Message-Id: <1994Dec15.140011.35538@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:00:10 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 19 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: > > def portal - > set flow rts/cts - > d {portal} - > if fail end 1 - > c - > pause 2 - > out \15 - > etc. > > However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. > > How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? ---------- Commas denote "end of line" in macros. It's in the fine manual, etc. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:10:30 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24929 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:20 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08981 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 16:45:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.141031.35539@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:10:30 MDT References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu><1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 98 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >>>>>> "b" == bruce writes: > > b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu > b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: > b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're > b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to > b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, > > Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the > main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with > terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this > works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the > 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing > kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) > does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to > put a status line. Oh yes it does. See below for the DEC way of handling this. > Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased > or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the Huh? The status line does not scroll, as noted. Maybe your termcap/ terminfo structures need a little spiffing up. > screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status > line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice > to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If > there's a way there's a will (mine). > > b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to > b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get > b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. > > Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates > vt420? > > Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be > thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly > for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what > functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series > terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a > reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). -------------- Some reading material for you, as two excerpts. From MS-DOS Kermit documentation file MSVIBM.VT - CSI Ps $ } DECSASD Select active status display Ps = 0 select main display Ps = 1 select status line Moves cursor to selected display area. This command will be ignored unless the status line has been enabled by CSI 2 $ ~. When the status line has been selected cursor remains there until the main display is reselected by CSI 0 $ }. CSI Ps $ ~ DECSSDT Select Status Line Type Ps meaning 0 no status line (empty) 1 indicator line (locally owned, Kermit default) 2 host-writable line Other extensions: CSI 25; Pc f VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. CSI 25; Pc H VT320/VT102/H19 move cursor to 25th line. Leave the same way as you went in. (These will disable Kermit's own status line.) ------------ From the top of file MS-DOS Kermit source code file MSZIBM.ASM - ; References: ; "PT200 Programmers Reference Guide", 1984, Prime Computer # DOC 8621-001P ; "Video Terminal Model H19, Operation", 1979, Heath Company # 595-2284-05 ; "VT100 User's Guide", 2nd ed., Jan 1979, DEC # EK-VT100-UG ; "Rainbow 100+/100B Terminal Emulation Manual", June 1984, DEC # QV069-GZ ; "Installing and Using The VT320 Video Terminal", June 1987, ; DEC # EK-VT320-UU-001 ; "VT320 Programmer Reference Manual", July 1987, DEC # EK-VT320-RM-001 ; "VT330/340 Programmer Ref Manual", 2nd ed, May 1988, ; Vol 1: Text programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-TP-002 ; Vol 2: Graphics programming DEC # EK-VT3XX-GP-002 ; "Programming the Display Terminal: Models D217, D413, and D463", Data ; General Corp, 014-00211-00, 1991. ; "Installing and Operating Your D216E+, D217, D413, and D463 Display ; Terminals", Data General Corp, 014-002057-01, 1991. ; "Dasher D470C Color Display Terminal, Programmer's Reference Manual", ; Data General Corp, 014-001015, 1984. ; "WY-50 Display Terminal Quick-Reference Guide", Wyse Technology, ; Wyse No. 88-021-01, 1983. ---------------------------------- I don't have a VT420, nor the documentation on it ($$$); it takes both to emulate successfully. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:07:59 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00372 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA15504 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 17:52:56 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:07:59 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 42 Distribution: world Message-Id: References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com In-Reply-To: bruce@ais.com's message of 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >>>>> "b" == bruce writes: b> In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu b> (Joe Doupnik) writes: b> This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're b> talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to b> incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, Okay, but I'm not trying to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen. For the last week or whatever I've been using kermit with terminfo and termcap entries for 80 columns and 49 lines, because this works and emacs, lynx, and everyone else puts a status line in the 49th line when they feel like it. My complaint is that removing kermit's status line (or rather the informative stuff about bps etc.) does not allow this line to be used by programs as an area in which to put a status line. Programs will write there but it doesn't get erased or the screen then scrolls with 2 duplicate status lines left on the screen and lines getting written over by each other. If this status line is an integral part of vt-series terminals than it would be nice to have it used as such by programs expecting a vt-series terminal. If there's a way there's a will (mine). b> The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to b> combine the status line with the main screen so that you get b> true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. Um, any idea where I might find a terminal emulator which emulates vt420? Also, pointers to reading material about vt series terminals would be thoroughly enjoyed. I have some notes about escape sequences mainly for vt100, but I still have trouble getting a sense of what functionality programs typically can use with a real vt series terminal and what keys typically send what keystroke (and what a reasonable analogy for these keys might be on my pc keyboard). thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:26:23 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01234 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17101 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:10:14 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Displaying accented characters Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:26:23 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 12 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 21:36:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01330 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17213 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:12:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!commando!rja From: rja@sispro.sis.rpslmc.edu (Roger J. Allen) Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec15.213618.15190@rpslmc.edu> Sender: news@rpslmc.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: siss81.rpslmc.edu Organization: Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] References: Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:36:18 GMT Lines: 106 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu kendall thomason shaw (kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com) wrote: : Hello, : I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to : have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 : screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 : screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi : will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they : write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with : the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status : line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with : termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd : be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: : de|vt320|vt320-am|dec vt320:\ ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^ I use a different term type for Kermit and VT320 since kermit is just an emulation. I did not want to break the real vt320. : :co#80:li#50:\ ^^ Try 49 here. : :le=^H:\ : :am:bs:\ : :ke=\E[?1l\E>:ks=\E[?1h\E=:\ : :kl=\EOD:kr=\EOC:kd=\EOB:ku=\EOA:\ : :kb=^H:\ : :ho=\E[H:\ : :k4=\EOS:k3=\EOR:k2=\EOQ:k1=\EOP:\ Do you use the vt300.ini script? You can define LOTS of function keys that way. : :xn:vt#3:pt:\ : :sc=\E7:\ : :rc=\E8:\ : :im=\E[4h:\ : :ei=\E[4l:\ : :mi:\ : :dc=\E[P:\ : :ed=:dm=:\ : :al=\E[L:\ : :dl=\E[M:\ : :cs=\E[%i%d;%dr:\ : :sf=\ED:\ : :sr=\EM:\ : :ce=\E[K:\ : :cl=\E[H\E[J:\ : :cd=\E[J:\ : :cm=\E[%i%d;%dH:\ : :nd=\E[C:\ : :up=\E[A:\ : :so=\E[7m:\ : :se=\E[27m:\ : :us=\E[4m:\ : :ue=\E[24m:\ : :md=\E[1m:\ : :mr=\E[7m:\ : :mb=\E[5m:\ : :me=\E[m:\ : :is=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h\E[1;24r\E[24;1H:\ ^^ ^^ try a scrolling region of 49 here. : :rs=\E>\E[?3l\E[?4l\E[?5l\E[?7h\E[?8h:\ : :ds=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[K\E[0$:\ : :fs=\E[0$}:\ : :ts=\E[1$}\E[;H\E[k:\ : :hs:es:\ : :do=^J: Here is what I have for the mode line stuff: :hs:ts=\E7\E[50;1H:fs=\E[K\E[H\E8: This lets "statline" and other apps access the mode line, display text, erase to end of line, and go back to where it came from. I did not use "es" because I seem to remember that it did not like some escape sequences (or maybe it was tabs) in the mode line, but I might have just copied a different termcap entry and did not test if "es" would work. I also left out the "ds". I don't remember if I did not need a "ds" or if I was not able to find a way to disable the status line. There are probably lots of other ways to do this. For instance, you can change the color if that suits you. -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 : -- : Kendall Shaw "!" : (415)364-asdf : kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Roger J. Allen Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center System Administrator Chicago, IL USA Surgical Information Systems Voice: (312)-942-4825 Internet: rja@sis.rpslmc.edu FAX: (312)-942-3036 From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 09:31:36 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01392 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:54 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17289 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:13:53 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!hookup!olivea!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: naive script writing question Date: 15 Dec 1994 09:31:36 GMT Organization: Porous Inc. Lines: 24 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, I've attempted to write a script to dial my service provider: def portal - set flow rts/cts - d {portal} - if fail end 1 - c - pause 2 - out \15 - etc. However the if fail etc. get's taken as arguments to the dial script. How do I delimit portal if that's my problem? -- Kendall Shaw "Oops spoo." (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 08:24:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20231 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 18:49:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Message-Id: <1994Dec15.142434.35541@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 14:24:34 MDT References: Distribution: world Organization: Utah State University Lines: 25 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: > > Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented > characters (irish), and I see in emacs there are functions > standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set > transfer character-set latin1, but this does not change anything, I > still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, > but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. --------------- Ah yes. The writer is using a different display character set than you are, and the transmission software had not a clue about how to deal with character sets. At the risk of preaching to the choir, Kermits know how to deal with this cleanly and effectively, for terminal emulation and file transfer. You did not indicate which platform you were using to read the traffic so advice is a little limited here. May I suggest trying MSK on a DOS machine, and change your DOS Code Page to match the other end (try CP850 first, versus the default CP437). The finer points of character sets and Kermits are explained at length in the user's manuals: "Using MS-DOS Kermit" and "Using C Kermit." Worth reading more about it, as we keep saying to people. Btw, the terms "standard-european-display" and "iso-accent-mode" are extremely vague when referring to character sets. Please read our manuals to obtain a firmer grip than Emacs can exert. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 02:16:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10170 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02883 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Thu, 15 Dec 1994 21:38:49 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ub!csn!tali.hsc.colorado.edu!boulder!csnews!alumni.cs.colorado.edu!wouk From: wouk@alumni.cs.colorado.edu (Arthur Wouk) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: reverse video and c-kermit Date: 16 Dec 1994 02:16:07 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3cqt97$32i@csnews.cs.Colorado.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: alumni.cs.colorado.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu i connect to the net by dial-up connection to a bsd machine, through c-kermit 5A(190). occasionally, i need to telnet to an SGI machine running irix4 (i believe), and running as its newsreader nn. when i do so, if i invoke the news reader, i am thrown into reverse video on my home machine. is there any way, while in c-kermit, to issue a command that will return me to reverse video, while still in nn remotely? or is is a problem to be dealt with in the underlying machine softare, rather than thorugh c-kermit? -- -- arthur wouk internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:42:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23870 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:40 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:39 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:42:22 GMT Lines: 29 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ryan J. Maley wrote: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? I had this problem and I upgraded to the latest versions and it went away. I don't use the define/user sys$input sys$command and it works fine. I don't have the versions with me at this moment but if you mail me I'll send them to you tomorrow. I'm running on a VAX 3100 and an Alpha AXP. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:44:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23876 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA21651 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 03:05:50 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:44:54 GMT Lines: 30 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com>, James Sturdevant wrote: >Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: > >: ... >: And have a macro to send a file like this... > >: send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a > >Try this: > asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) > send \%f \%a > >There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable >names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) > Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not the problem anyway. Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just "read") open. If it's closed send works fine. Erik -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 15:59:32 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11125 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16841 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:59:34 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Displaying accented characters Date: 16 Dec 1994 15:59:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 40 Distribution: world Message-Id: <3csdh4$ge5@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Cc: In article , kendall thomason shaw wrote: > >Hi, I get mail from a listserv group which contains accented >characters (irish)... > You do? I though LISTSERV was strictly 7-bit. Maybe you have a mail agent that encodes and decodes 8-bit characters? >...and I see in emacs there are functions >standard-european-display, and iso-accent-mode. I've tried issuing set >transfer character-set latin1... > That's for file transfer, not terminal emulation. Please read the manual (info below). >...but this does not change anything, I >still get escaped octal codes or whatever, e.g. \353. I'll read more, >but if someone can point me in the right direction I'd be grateful. > In MS-DOS Kermit (3.00 or later): SET PARITY NONE SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8 SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET NONE In EMACS 19.xx (not 18.xx or earlier): (require 'disp-table) (standard-display-8bit 160 255) (load "iso-syntax") (load "iso-insert") (set-input-mode (car (current-input-mode)) (nth 1 (current-input-mode)) 0) This assumes that the message really contains Latin-1 characters. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 12:11:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15378 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA06048 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 12:11:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!hudson.lm.com!fs7.ece.cmu.edu!news.radian.com.!radian.com!Tim_Helmstetter From: Tim_Helmstetter@radian.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: APC Initiation Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 10:11:11 Organization: Radian Corporation, Austin, TX, USA Lines: 16 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: 129.160.17.246 X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev Final Beta #8] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am using KERMIT 3.13 to connect to a program called MAPPERC on a HP9000. Everything works great except I cannot initiate APC. ESC Z works, the old TERMINALR escape code works, so I know the software is outputting the escape sequence properly. I know APC is turned on because I can start APC from a UNIX script, just not from this MAPPERC software. Has anyone else had problems with APC? Thanks |~~~~~\ /~~\ |~~~~~\ |~| /~~\ |~\_|~| Tim Helmstetter, Sys. Analyst | ~ / / /\ \ | [<>] || | / /\ \ | \ \ | Helmstetter_Tim@radian.com |_|~|_\/_|~~|_\|_____/ |_|/_|~~|_\|_|\__| Box 201088 Austin, TX 78720 C O R P O R A T I O N All opinions are just that... opinions!!! --KAB26305.784571010/zippy.radian.com-- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 02:37:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00957 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03095 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 16:27:35 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Highlighted subject line when reading news Message-Id: <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 08:37:11 MDT References: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 15 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com>, hart@convex.com (Wesley Hart) writes: > In <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) writes: > >> This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the >> words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a >> way to turn it off? >> Thanks a lot. > > I'd be very interested in seeing this as well. Right now it looks like > kermit's displaying cyan text on a green background - nearly impossible > to read. --------- So use the SET TERMINAL COLOR command and choose colors which you prefer. Did I miss a point here? Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 23:42:58 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15927 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03943 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:32:34 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!news.alpha.net!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!nott!cunews!freenet.carleton.ca!FreeNet.Carleton.CA!be946 From: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Subject: kermit on a apple][+ Message-Id: Sender: be946@freenet3.carleton.ca (Simon C.Hall) Reply-To: be946@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Simon C.Hall) Organization: The National Capital FreeNet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:42:58 GMT Lines: 4 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu anyone use kermit on an apple][+? I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:55:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA28869 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:30 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA16885 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 22:55:29 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: jbishop@primenet.com (Jeff Bishop) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: send-init packet Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 19:55:09 -0700 Organization: Primenet Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: usr1.primenet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello, How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. Jeff From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 13:48:52 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01165 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19182 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:30:18 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: 16 Dec 94 19:48:52 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 57 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: > Hi: > > We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX > system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. > I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking > honors. > > The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from > Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF > distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize > it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what > "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they > return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer > seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response > to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the > connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON > looking for clues, but no luck. > > The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. > Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise > Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs > say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time > is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent > luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other > apps. anyhow. > > When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine > even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. > > Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, > etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. > Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group > would be most welcome. -------------- Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the connection was just fine. A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 14:59:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02468 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA20374 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Fri, 16 Dec 1994 23:50:10 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!hookup!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!uop!pacbell.com!att-out!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 14:59:16 GMT Lines: 41 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi: We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking honors. The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON looking for clues, but no luck. The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other apps. anyhow. When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group would be most welcome. Thanks in advance & Happy Holidays! Maurice Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 04:08:17 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21682 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02525 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:21 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: 3.14 beta 14 and PC/TCP Message-Id: <1994Dec14.100818.35424@cc.usu.edu> Date: 14 Dec 94 10:08:17 MDT References: <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 53 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , jw@adasoft.ch (Jamie Watson) writes: > In article <1994Dec11.104027.35139@cc.usu.edu> jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: >> The situation is easy to clarify. SET PORT TCP in Kermit means >>to use Kermit's internal TCP/IP stack. That stack requires either a suitable >>Packet Driver or ODI to talk to the lan adapter. FTP Inc's stack does more >>or less the same thing. You loaded FTP Inc's stack and then told Kermit to >>go to the same board and grab it; you are not running "over FTP Inc's stack." >>I'm surprized that you we able to run Kermit over the board with FTP still >>using all the TCP/IP material. > > Sigh. I'm really sorry for having asked such a bonehead question. I read > about this restriction in several different places, but I am obviously > not knowledgeable enough about DOS and networking to have understood what > it really meant. I had assumed that it meant that I couldn't run kermit > and one of the PC/TCP utilities at the same time, but now that I stop to > think about that, it's a pretty silly idea under DOS; I guess it just > shows that my mind has frozen into Unix-based thought patterns. Anyway, > I just tried unloading the PC/TCP stack (inet unload) before starting > kermit, and then reloading it (ethdrv) after terminating kermit, and it > works just fine. Thanks for the help. > >> If you want FTP Inc's stack to remain resident and run Kermit >>over the top of it you must use FTP's TNGLASS program, and tell Kermit >>SET PORT BIOS1. > > This still doesn't work for me, even with Beta-15 installed. I first > tried just "tnglass pan", and it connects just fine. I then tried the > command specified in networks/setup.doc, and found that I had to change > the argument format somewhat to even get it to accept the command, but > it still doesn't work. The command I gave was: > > tnglass pan -c 0 -i -e kermit.exe set port bios1 , connect > > This starts the tnglass program, and then starts kermit, but it immediately > says "Connection closed". I have tried just starting kermit without the > commands on the command line, then given the bios1 and conect to kermit > myself, but I got the same result. Am I still doing something wrong? By > the way, I am using PC/TCP version 3.0, so that might explain at least the > difference in command line parsing; I assume that the setup.doc file was > written based on PC/TCP version 2.3 or earlier. --------------- Works here, but without the "-i" option. That option is supposed to keep the Telnet session open until the external terminal emulator loads (which makes sense, but why would we need a option for something as necessary as this?), and sends an Int 14h init command. If I include the -i option then the connection is closed by the time the terminal emulation screen comes up, else it stays open. Go figure. The same thing happens with MSK 3.13. Please follow directions from the vendor of the product you are using. For Tnglass follow those of FTP Software Inc for tnglass options of the version you have. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 20:53:40 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21708 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:27:00 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02541 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:26:58 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!caen!malgudi.oar.net!cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com!chuck From: chuck@cmhcsys.com (Chuck Stickelman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: MAC Kermit? Date: 16 Dec 1994 20:53:40 GMT Organization: CMHC Systems Lines: 16 Message-Id: <3csuok$9h0@cmhcsys.cmhcsys.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cmhcsys.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sure this is a FAQ (or at least asked/answered 1K times!) but I'm not able to get onto rtfm.mit.edu. What is the status of Kermit on the Macintosh's? Where is the latest version located, and old is it? Thanks Chuck -- Charles A. Stickelman PC Sales Engineer Home: (419) 362-1716 CMHC Systems, Inc. Work: (614) 764-0143 570 Metro Place North Sales: (800) 528-9025 Dublin, OH 43017 USA FAX: (614) 764-0439 -- From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 17:51:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA22150 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:51 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA02735 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 04:32:50 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!swiss.ans.net!emi.com!pauling.wadsworth.org!frank From: frank@pauling.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Date: 14 Dec 1994 17:51:16 GMT Organization: Wadsworth Center, NY Health Dept. Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Nntp-Posting-Host: sirius.wadsworth.org X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Frank -- _________________________________________________________________________ Frank Hsia __. Sr. Computer Programmer/Analyst phone: (518) 473-0773 __/ | Wadsworth Center, Room D-420 fax: (518) 474-8590 /___ *| New York State Dept of Health frank@wadsworth.ph.albany.edu \_| _ P.O. Box 509 Frank.Hsia@wadsworth.org ~~ Albany, New York 12201-0509 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 14 08:34:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA03511 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:56 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08941 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:21:54 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!psuvm!hdk Organization: Penn State University Date: Wed, 14 Dec 1994 13:34:31 EST From: H. D. Knoble Message-Id: <94348.133431HDK@psuvm.psu.edu> Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Lines: 54 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) says: >Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. >Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for >my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. >Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there >a setting in KERMIT I can set to? Try using DOS and MS-Kermit as shown in the following .BAT file to to convert the DOS capture file capfile.vt to capfile.txt: @Echo off REM Filename: FIXVT.BAT REM Purpose: DOS Batch code to remove escape sequences from VTxxx capture REM files using MS-Kermit as the working tool. REM By: Skip Knoble, Penn State Center for Academic Computing REM Input file: capfile.vt REM Output file: capfile.txt REM Platform: any PC and DOS that will run MS-Kermit 3.13 or 3.14 REM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- REM The character string, Esc OpenBracket ? 5 i when prepended to REM the VTxxx capture file is the code to "turn on" the PC Printer. REM Usage Note: REM You must replace the phrase "ESC OpenBracket " in the next echo REM statement with two contiguous characters: ASCII 27 ASCII 91 REM before running this .BAT REM file on your PC. This is only to REM allow this DOS algorithm to appear as NON-DOS printable prose. REM (With DOS 5.x 6.x "ESC" can be entered via DOS EDIT by pressing: REM Ctrl-P,Ctrl-OpenBracket. Before DOS 5.0 occurrences of "echo." can be REM replaced by "echo LineFeed" where LineFeed is the ASCII 10 character.) echo ESC OpenBracket ?5i > temp.txt copy temp.txt /b + capfile.vt /b > nul REM Append some linefeeds to the end to set up a message to end user. echo. >> temp.txt Echo ------- Text from CAPFILE.VT appears above this line ------- >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 * 1 2 3 4 5 ) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Append that message and LF's to roll rest of replayed session off screen. echo Please press Alt-X now to return to DOS >> temp.txt FOR %%v IN (1 2 3 4 5) DO echo. >> temp.txt REM Invoke Kermit to convert the file temp.txt to capfile.txt REM Setting port BIOSn will allow MS-Kermit to do its thing, even while REM something else (e.g., SLIP driver)may be using COMn, without disturbing REM this COM port session. kermit -f nul, set port bios1, set print capfile.txt, replay temp.txt erase temp.txt if exist capfile.txt Echo Output file is capfile.txt. REM ---End FIXVT.BAT --- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:25:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04291 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09248 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 08:34:09 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!library.ucla.edu!news.ucdavis.edu!landau.ucdavis.edu!hchau From: hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu (Hung Chau) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: How to Optimize MS-Kermit for Speed Date: 17 Dec 1994 13:25:26 GMT Organization: University of California, Davis Lines: 21 Message-Id: <3cuos6$bkp@mark.ucdavis.edu> References: <3cetso$2t8@mark.ucdavis.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: landau.ucdavis.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hung Chau (hchau@landau.ucdavis.edu) wrote: : I have also heard about sliding windows and Control Character : unprefixing but so far sliding windows does nothing for me : and Control Character unprefixing only make thing worse. If someone : can explain to me what I am doing wrong or better what exactly : am I changing when I set sliding windows or Control Character : unprefixing. : Thank You Thank you to all those who send reply to me. There was simply too many people for me to write personal thank you note to. I was very surprised and well pleased that there were so many nice and wonderful people who went out of their way to help me. Again thank you very much everyone for you time and especially Frank da Cruz for "inventing" Kermit and Joe R. Doupnik for making MS-Kermit absolutely the best communication package in the PC world bar none. Hung Chau From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:00:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20485 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:15 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22686 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:14 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!psuvax1!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Could Ckermit(OS2) share(or release) com port to other program? Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:00:51 GMT Lines: 8 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I need to view 8-bit Chinese Characters in a DOS Chinese system, so I hope that I can switch to DOS com program when I want to see Chinese characters. But when ckermit active, I can not open other com program and when I close ckermit it will hang-up modem. Any suggestion? Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 02:31:35 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20491 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:17 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA22690 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:52:16 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!reuter.cse.ogi.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!serval.net.wsu.edu!serval.net.wsu.edu.!chang From: chang@theta.math.wsu.edu (Ching Mo Chang) Subject: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: Sender: news@serval.net.wsu.edu (News) Organization: Washington State University Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 02:31:35 GMT Lines: 10 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. Ching-Mo From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:23:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20860 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:38 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23232 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:31 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Arcnet Packet Driver? Message-Id: <1994Dec12.072307.35190@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:23:07 MDT References: <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson) writes: > In article <3c96mj$bej@cello.gina.calstate.edu> jpowell@cello.gina.calstate.edu (Larry Powell) writes: > > I use arcnet with Novell which works fine. I also tested kermit with > the Netbios that comes with Novell (Lite) and it works also. I tried a > brief test of the packet drivers ARCNET and ARCETHER and they both failed > to initialize and/or self test. > > ARCNET won't work with Kermit. ARCETHER should. If it doesn't > initialize, perhaps you used an incorrect command line? What version > of ARCETHER and command line did you use? --------------- As Russ indicates, Kermit does not understand Arcnet per se. Thus either run over an Arcnet to Ethernet Packet Driver, ARCETHER, or use ODI. Since NetWare is involved you are probably better advised to use ODI these days (and the VLMs etc of current shell technology). Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 01:35:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA20867 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA23240 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:59:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: term type in telnet-macro (Kermit 3.14) Message-Id: <1994Dec12.073551.35191@cc.usu.edu> Date: 12 Dec 94 07:35:51 MDT References: <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 48 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3bul2u$47d@infosrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de>, p41bsmk@kommsrv.rz.unibw-muenchen.de (Peter Schmolck) writes: > I'm using MS-Kermit 3.14 Beta-14. My UNIX-hosts do not know what to do > with "vt320", and when trying to adjust my mscustom.ini definitions I > noted an inconsistency (or bug?). > > The telnet macro in mskermit.ini: > > define TELNET - > set flow none,- > set port tcp \%1 \%2,- > pause 0, if fail end 1,- > if def \%3 set term type \%3,- > if succ c > > and accordingly the myhost define in mscustom.ini: > > define myhost - > telnet myhost 23 vt320,- > if success assign myhost telnet \v(session) > > set the terminal type, and not only the TELNET-negotiated "telnet > term-type" (which I rather preferred the macro to do). When I changed the > myhost define from vt320 to vt220 the result was, that -- expectedly -- > the status line entry changed to VT220, but --unexpectedly-- the remote > TELNET server still received a "VT320". (??) > > BTW, mskermit.bwr says: "... to create an override string with command > SET TCP/IP TELNET-TERM-TYPE." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Instead this should read either "set tcp/ip term-type" or "set telnet > term-type". ----------- It's not your fault, it's ours. In reality the MSK command SET PORT TCP/IP acquires just two arguments: host and port number. It doesn't look for a terminal type. The way to use a different terminal type is SET TERMINAL TYPE kind or just SET TERMINAL kind. This will pass along to the host, upon request, the same terminal type spelling we see in commands. Here is the canned list, lifted from the code: "UNKNOWN","H-19","VT52","VT100","VT102","VT220","VT320", "TEK4014","VIP7809","PT200","D463","D470","wyse50","ANSI" As you point out, the program uses SET TCP/IP TERM-TYPE ident as the way to tell the host a different identication string than the default method. The docs will be modified to be clear and correct on both items. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 18:53:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA26086 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 13:42:32 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.moneng.mei.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!enews.sgi.com!decwrl!tribune.usask.ca!quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca!news From: Ken.Crossman@ualberta.ca (ken crossman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Intermittent Problem with Kermit Under Windows Date: 13 Dec 1994 18:53:51 GMT Organization: University of Alberta Lines: 15 Message-Id: <3ckqjv$v74@quartz.ucs.ualberta.ca> References: <94340.130308SMITHM@qucdn.queensu.ca> <3cbbtd$iqi@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> <1994Dec11.212311.35180@cc.usu.edu> Reply-To: ken.crossman@ualberta.ca Nntp-Posting-Host: snowbird.ucs.ualberta.ca X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.92.6+ Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hello Joe: Another window-ish question: Most of our Windows/TCPIP customers are using a Winsock stack, usually Novells. We have not been able to locate a Winsock Telnet client which can match the features provided by Mskermit. (diacritics, session logging). Do you know of any way to get Mskermit like quality from Telnet sessions when using Winsock? Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 11 20:08:26 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25398 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:24 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27947 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:11:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!concert!ais.com!bruce From: bruce@ais.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Status line Message-Id: <1994Dec12.010826.7025@ais.com> Date: 12 Dec 94 01:08:26 EST References: <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Applied Information Systems, Chapel Hill, NC Lines: 45 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec8.220403.34973@cc.usu.edu>, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > In article , kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) writes: >> Hello, >> I've not figured out how to get rid of the status line in order to >> have all the lines writable by vi and what not. I can define a 80x49 >> screen and toggle the status line, but I'd like to have an 80x50 >> screen. If I define an 80x50 screen with vt320 emulation, lynx and vi >> will write to the status line but they don't then erase what they >> write there, and worse yet, lynx scrolls the screen up (down?) with >> the previous status line stuck in the 50th row, and puts a new status >> line in the 49th row. If someone could help me either with >> termcap/terminfo or getting kermit to skip the status line idea, I'd >> be pleased. Here's my termcap entry: > ------------ > The last line, status, is an integral part of VT terminals. There > is no way of making that part of the regular screen. > Joe D. This is very dependent on which exact VT terminal you're talking about. For the VT300 series, there is no way to incorporate the status line as part of the main screen, although some implementations (eg, DECterm, a VT320-level implementation on DEC workstations) allow you to select the status line or not, and also allow you to set the size of the main screen (up to perhaps 72x132 or so being reasonable if you have a 1280x1024 screen), which gives you much the same capability that's being asked for here. However if the host software requests a status line, the DECterm will helpfully create it for you (keeping your main window the same size but possibly making the entire window too big to quite fit on the screen if you've made it big). The VT420, on the other hand, actually does allow you to combine the status line with the main screen so that you get true 25x80 screen addressing but no status line. It also allows you to set the terminal in 36 or 48-line modes, but I think those include a separate status line. I don't know offhand what the VT420 does with the "Select Status Line" commands if it's in 25x80 mode; the terminal I've usually experimented with for such questions is on the other side of town, and the documentation around here is vague on the subject. The subject of compatibility with VT-series status lines is rather subtle. I have yet to see any terminal emulator, commercial or otherwise (including Kermit and even DEC's Pathworks terminal emulator, I might add) that quite gets it all right. Bruce C. Wright From news@columbia.edu Fri Dec 16 05:56:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27031 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:23 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA29830 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 14:38:22 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.msfc.nasa.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!lerc.nasa.gov!magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!caen!hearst.acc.Virginia.EDU!murdoch!fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU!esh6h From: esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU (Erik Hatcher) Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Message-Id: Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: University of Virginia References: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 1994 05:56:54 GMT Lines: 23 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Erik Hatcher wrote: > >Can't do the "asg". I'm running in batch mode. That's not >the problem anyway. Oops! :) I spoke too quickly. I misread the "asg" and thought we were talking about an "askq"! My apologies. I most certainly could do that in batch mode. But the below is still truth... > >Frank and I have discussed it and it turns out that "send" >gets confused if you have a "open !read" (maybe even just >"read") open. If it's closed send works fine. > -- Erik Hatcher + "But every now and then we just have http://fulton.seas.virginia.edu/~esh6h | to howl with the wolves." | - Werner Heisenberg ---------------------------------------+------------------------------------- From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 21:21:45 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA04070 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:48 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18738 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 16:21:47 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Date: 17 Dec 1994 21:21:45 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 20 Message-Id: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Ching Mo Chang wrote: >Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? > >To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). > >If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. > >Ching-Mo The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port directly. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:37:54 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15345 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:35 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01700 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:16:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: HELP!! How to set DTR ignore in kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:37:54 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3chqoi$7nm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connection to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore the DTR when exit (no hang up). I can dial-out no problem, but if I exit kermit, the modem will hang up. It is not what I want. Can anyone tell me how to set Kermit DTR ignore? Thank you for help. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 12 15:27:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15380 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:09 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA01727 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 19:17:07 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.cais.com!cais2.cais.com!duffy From: duffy@cais2.cais.com (Duffy Men) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 12 Dec 1994 15:27:12 GMT Organization: Capital Area Internet Service Lines: 5 Message-Id: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: cais2.cais.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. From news@columbia.edu Sat Dec 17 13:32:07 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA02141 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:34 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sat, 17 Dec 1994 23:36:33 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!noc.near.net!eisner!burns From: burns@eisner.decus.org (Scott Burns) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Message-Id: <1994Dec17.083207.8056@eisner> Date: 17 Dec 94 08:32:07 -0500 Organization: DECUServe Lines: 7 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu It is a known problem with that release. Upgrade to 5A(190) from: watsun.cc.columbia.edu scott burns@eisner.decus.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 13 16:51:08 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10304 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:19 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14276 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 10:09:17 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Highlighted subject line when reading news Date: 13 Dec 1994 16:51:08 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 4 Message-Id: <3ckjds$ot6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu This very old AT&T monitor makes it very difficult to see the words in the subject when they are highlighted. Is there a way to turn it off? Thanks a lot. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 16:50:31 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16909 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19772 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 12:01:20 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!blaze.trentu.ca!ccksb From: ccksb@blaze.trentu.ca (Ken Brown) Subject: MSK3.13 & MS TCP/IP-32 ? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.165031.273@blaze.trentu.ca> Organization: Trent University, Ontario Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 16:50:31 GMT Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu A preliminary inquiry... Can MS Kermit 3.13 run from MS Windows for Workgroups 3.11 in a window when MS TCP/IP-32 is also selected as a protocol? I'd be wanting to use IPXODI (an I gather ODIPKT together with WINPKT). I see from the docs that MSK will run in a window over odi when odipkt and winpkt are run on top...but with only one physical board it looks like MS TCP/IP-32 and MSK's internal TCP stack equate to two tcp's, which is a no-no. Comments, suggestions and pointers welcomed. Thank you. -- Ken Brown internet: kbrown@trentu.ca Trent University Computing & Telecommunications tel: (705)748-1540 Peterborough, Ontario, Canada, K9J 7B8 fax: (705)748-1635 From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 13:24:47 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA27762 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:03 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09640 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 21:37:02 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Strip high bit(MSKERMIT) Message-Id: <1994Dec18.192447.35700@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 19:24:47 MDT References: <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 27 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cvkpa$i9d@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: > In article , > Ching Mo Chang wrote: >>Did MSKERMIT has the option to set "strip high bit" off? >> >>To view chinese characters on line in an 8 bit chinese dos system, I can >>use com program like Telix with the "strip high bit" off option, but in >>MSKERMIT(3.14 b14), using the 8bit option defined in mskermit.ini, I just >>got some strange characters (same as I use Telix with "strip high bit" on). >> >>If someone can help, I'll be very appreciates. >> >>Ching-Mo > > The other program must be called from with C-kermit, and then it must > the ports file handle as a parameter. It cannot try to open the port > directly. ---------------- In terminal emulation mode the MS-DOS Kermit command to change the high bit of bytes displayed by 8-bit terminals (assuming a parity of NONE) is SET TERM DISPLAY {7-BIT, 8-BIT}, or alternatively SET TERM BYTESIZE {same as above}, or alternatively SET DISPLAY {same as above, plus file transfer screen options} These are aliases of the same command. Use SHOW TERMINAL to see the active setting. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 22:32:57 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01888 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:57 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13296 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:32:55 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!hubcap.clemson.edu!tooner!ncostes From: ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Where can I ftp mskermit? Date: Sun, 18 Dec 1994 22:20:42 Organization: Clemson University/ECE Department Lines: 8 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: tooner.eng.clemson.edu X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev A] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll do big blocks. Thanks From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 13:59:51 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA12241 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA03406 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 09:17:15 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!uwm.edu!fnnews.fnal.gov!gw1.att.com!nntpa!not-for-mail From: mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit running under Windows trbl Message-Id: Sender: news@nntpa.cb.att.com (Netnews Administration) Nntp-Posting-Host: hodcs.ho.att.com Organization: AT&T References: <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu> Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 13:59:51 GMT Lines: 81 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <1994Dec16.194852.35622@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik wrote: >In article , mrbaker@hodcs.ho.att.com (-M.BAKER) writes: >> Hi: >> >> We are currently using MS-Kermit (Beta 14) to communicate with a UNIX >> system, both directly from the DOS prompt as well as run from Windows. >> I have packet driver 3C5X9PD and shim WINPKT doing the networking >> honors. >> >> The problem is that when someone telnet's to the UNIX system from >> Windows (i.e., they have an icon for MS-KERMIT, using the .PIF >> distributed with MS-KERMIT) everything works fine until they minimize >> it and leave it alone for a while [still trying to measure exactly what >> "a while" is -- seems to be a half hour or hour or so]. Then when they >> return to MS-KERMIT, it is 'asleep'. The TCP-IP connection no longer >> seems to be working (no response to the UNIX shell prompt, no response >> to the Telnet Are-You-There) yet the UNIX system still thinks the >> connection is up. I've tried running with SET TELNET DEBUG-OPTIONS ON >> looking for clues, but no luck. >> >> The only mentions I could find in the documentation is in the .BWR file. >> Section 4 (Microsoft Windows) suggests changing the .PIF to raise >> Kermit's priority, lock it in memory (even though the WINPKT docs >> say this shouldn't be necessary), and make sure some background time >> is allocated. I've played with these the best I could with no apparent >> luck. It does have the caveat that Kermit is at the mercy of other >> apps. anyhow. >> >> When I run MS-Kermit right from DOS (no Windows), it works just fine >> even overnight so I'm pretty sure the indigestion is coming from Windows. >> >> Would appreciate hearing from others who have run into this, have ideas, >> etc. worth trying in order to minimize (if not eliminate) this problem. >> Private email to mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com, or postings to this group >> would be most welcome. >-------------- > Ok. I tried your situation here over the past 45 minutes. MSK 3.14 >beta-15 running in Windows as an icon, using ODIPKT+WINPKT over the current >Novell ODI material. I logged onto my Unix machine with Kermit, shrunk MSK >to an icon, and went away to speak with WordPerfect/Windows for the duration. >After that 45 minute interval I enlarged the icon to a window and the >connection was just fine. > A couple of guesses to make here. First, is your lan adapter's >shared memory protected against all memory managers (DOS and again in >Windows)? If not then Windows could be using that memory for other purposes >and the lan adapter can become wedged or worse. An intermediate test, after >you've exclude='d both sides, is to start another Telnet session with Kermit. >If a new session starts ok then local comms are in working order. > Second, the lan adpater part of things may not be especially strong >to begin with, and when it's not serviced often packets overwhelm it and it >wedges. If there is an IRQ conflict (lan adapter sitting on IRQ 3 along with >serial port COM2, for example) then the adapter can be squashed by the >competing hardware and/or Window's drivers. > The option to "fix task in memory" is needed if you are not using >winpkt with a Packet Driver. Go get mine, the two argument variety, from >netlab2.usu.edu, cd drivers, file winpkt.zip, and give it a try. I don't fix >tasks in memory (absent minded Professor). > Joe D. Hi Joe: Many thanks for your quick & thorough reply(ies) to my question(s). I'm posting this in the hopes that it may be of interest to others. I have not tried your 2-argument packet driver yet (I will this morning). I'll report back on the results. Meanwhile, I had a chance to repeat the experiment.....running Kermit under MS-Windows, but using Lan WorkPlace's TELAPI in lieu of the 3c5x9pd/winpkt combination. I started it on Saturday afternoon and minimized it along with a bunch of other Windows tasks. When I came in, I remaximized it and it was still logged into the UNIX system fine. So to me, this suggests that you are on target about the packet driver or thereabouts. Once again, thanks! M. Baker AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel mrbaker @ hodcs.att.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Dec 18 15:27:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA19657 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:18 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA09365 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 10:33:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Where can I ftp mskermit? Message-Id: <1994Dec18.212722.35703@cc.usu.edu> Date: 18 Dec 94 21:27:22 MDT References: Organization: Utah State University Lines: 20 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , ncostes@eng.clemson.edu (Nicolae P. Costescu) writes: > Would someone please direct me to where I can ftp mskermit? Also, does > mskermit support large blocks (eg 1024 bytes)? This is the best way I've found > for speeding kermit file transfers. Linux and other unix kermits have no > problem w/this, but all kermit implementations I've tried for dos/windows > use 90 byte blocks. I obviously haven't tried mskermit, and am hoping it'll > do big blocks. -------------- You've come to the right place. Ftp to kermit.columbia.edu for all Columbia Kermits. The release level MSK is v3.13 and it's in both kermit/bin (binary archive msvibm.zip) and the full sources + docs in kermit/a. Beta-15 of MSK v3.14 (pretty solid and almost ready for release) is in kermit/test/bin, archive file mstibm.zip. MS-DOS Kermit does it all, and usually a good deal better than the non-Columbia editions. Long packets? Of course, 9KB, and up to 32 window slots of them if you have the memory (though that's really gross overkill). Sliding Windows? Definitely, 32 slots, not a mere 2 or 4. Unprefix control codes IF your link tolerates it and you are willing to risk it? You bet. Time to go raid&plunder. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 16:01:43 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25346 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:04 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14189 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 11:30:00 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!not-for-mail From: manutter@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mark Nutter) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:01:43 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Lines: 26 Sender: nobody@cs.utexas.edu Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: news.cs.utexas.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I am providing Macintosh support for a fair-sized university (14,000 students), and am trying to get people set up with a good, free terminal program. All our DOS people are using the DOS version of C-Kermit, with a comprehensive set of macros written by our own Systems group, and it works quite well. The Mac version, however, is a different story. I had (189) running long enough to set up and test some basic log-in macros, but now suddenly I can no longer get either (189) or (190) to run (keeps crashing in an area that Macsbug identifies as "mberto+xxxx", where xxxx is some fairly large hex number). Thinking that maybe this problem is local to my machine, I have given a number of people copies of (190), but now they are reporting that it crashes on their machine also. Lots of PowerMac crashes, but I'm on a Quadra 660AV running System 7.1. Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare notes with somebody before I file a formal bug report. Or is there some known problems running Mac Kermit under System 7.1 and later? Thanks. Mark Nutter Tech Support at Indiana Univ. of PA manutter@grove.iup.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 14:26:03 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00658 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:22 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19446 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 12:25:20 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!usenet.coe.montana.edu!netnews.nwnet.net!ns1.nodak.edu!heart.cas.und.nodak.edu!degregor From: degregor@aero.und.nodak.edu (Brian Degregorio) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Help adding zmodem to MSKermit. Date: 19 Dec 1994 14:26:03 GMT Organization: University of North Dakota; Grand Forks, ND Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d455r$1fd8@heart.cas.und.nodak.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: agassiz.cas.und.nodak.edu X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm trying to add gsz to kermit running on a direct connection (null modem), but when I try to recieve something gsz doesn't accept the null modem signal. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Brian Degregorio ***************************************************************************** ** Brian Degregorio ** ** 3504 11th ave N apt #16 ** ** Grand Forks, ND 58203 ** ** Email: degregor@aero.cas.und.nodak.edu ** ** Phone: 701-772-7856 or if busy 701-795-8620 ** Captain Penny's Law: You can fool all of the people some of the time, and some of the people all of the time, but you Can't Fool Mom. ***************************************************************************** From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 18:27:11 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16389 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:47 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA04807 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 15:22:45 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!caen!zip.eecs.umich.edu!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!torn!hermes.acs.ryerson.ca!turing.acs.ryerson.ca!bhillick From: bhillick@acs.ryerson.ca (Bernard Hillick - MHNG/W94) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Date: 19 Dec 1994 18:27:11 GMT Organization: Ryerson Polytechnic University Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3d4j9v$1lvk@hermes.acs.ryerson.ca> Nntp-Posting-Host: turing.acs.ryerson.ca X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:15:04 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA21858 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:32 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA10469 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:27:28 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!decwrl!svc.portal.com!shell.portal.com!news1.shell.portal.com!kshaw From: kshaw@jobe.shell.portal.com (kendall thomason shaw) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: termcap kermit and vt320 Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:15:04 GMT Organization: Snausages Ltd. Lines: 101 Distribution: world Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe.shell.portal.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm going to post this to comp.terminals for maximum annoyance potential: Hello, Here I am trying to figure out how to write my termcap entry and my terminal setup stuff for msdos kermit which I use to dial in to my SunOS 4.1.3 shell account. I have a few questions. First, I'm not sure that I am clear about how the dialogue takes place between kermit's vt320 emulation, and my shell. My using msdos kermit book describes terminal character sets: C0 being 7 bit "ASCII" control characters, e.g. ^N, ^O, ^J etc. C1 being 8 bit ISO-6249 control characters, e.g. \E[, \EH, etc. G0 being a 94 character character set G1 being a 94 (or 96?) character character set G2 being a 94 or 96 character character set G3 " And then there's GL and GR (Graphics Left and Right) GL holds the selected character set for C0 from G0-3 GR holds the selected character set for C1 from G0-3 Actually it says GL indicates which set to use if a 7 bit graphic character arrives, and GR for an 8 bit character. A DECSCL (ESC[ Pl;Pc"p, or CSI Pl;Pc"p) can select the use of 8 or 7 bit controls. Single shifts SS2 and SS3 (or ESC N and ESC O) shift a character set into GL from G2 and G3 respectively for the following character. Locking shifts ESC n and ESC o do the same until disabled. Locking shifts ^N and ^O do the same from G1 and G0. And locking shifts right 3, 2, and 1 (ESC |, ESC }, and ESC ~) modify GR. SCS (various sequences) can be used to designate an identifed character set to a umm character set e.g. ISO Latin-1 into G2. The character set identifiers listed include those for various languages, and some line drawing sets. And kermit has a command SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT which displays all 8 bit characters. And then in my termcap manual there is a parameter ac in which to specify pairs of characters to translate for line drawing. I assume this is the same as for the terminfo parameter acsc, where various "glyphs" are defined. So for example an upper left hand corner box character is refered to by the letter l, so you put l with your tranlation immediately after, all in a row. There are also enacs and smacs (eA and 'as' in termcap), for "enabling" and "starting" an alternate character set. First of all, I am not sure what symbols the following glyphs refer to: lantern symbol board of squares scan line 1, scan line 9, and horizontal line (top bottom and middle?) Then, I'm confused. If I dial in with an 8 bit line, I can stick to 8 bit controls (as far as what I put in my termcap)? Can I put 8 bit control sequences into my termcap files? And in the alternate character set capabilites am I to put literally the graphic character from the appropriate character set in the string? Ascii 4 is a diamond shaped character (7 bits), where as the solid box character is 219 (8 bits) in code page 850 and others. If there's only one capability string for enabling an alternate character set does this mean that I can only choose wether I want bullets and diamonds, or line drawing characters? Also, the strings I put in the termcap are to tell the host what strings to send, or are they what strings to expect? I guess they have to be what to send, but does that mean that I can't send an escape sequence, or is my typing an escape sequence only a dialogue between my keyboard and my terminal emulator? I don't have clear categories in my head. And last, there's a capability string al1 (al in termcap), to add a line below the current line, with scrolling. I don't see this in the kermit manual if it is something other than CR. Does anyone know differently? thanks -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com -- Kendall Shaw "Grease 'n Seasonings!" (415)364-asdf kshaw@shell.portal.com From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 10:23:42 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24647 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA13217 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 16:54:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!math.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!gatech!swiss.ans.net!cmcl2!newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: [Q] Mac Kermit or C-Kermit for Mac? Date: 19 Dec 1994 10:23:42 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d3mve$g71@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but what is the difference between Mac Kermit 0.991 (190) and C-Kermit 0.99 (190)? For me, the only difference is that I cannot make 0.991 run by clicking on it's saved settings file. :^( -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:53:56 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA29983 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:58 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17864 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:53:57 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: hELP!! hoe to set DTR ignore on kermit Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:53:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 19 Message-Id: <3d52u4$he3@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3chq4g$7bm@news.cais.com>, Duffy Men wrote: >I has a Hayes optima 288 modem connect to my IBM RS6000 AIX 3.2.5 >computer. I setup my modem &D0 to ignore DTR when exit (don't hnagup). >In kermit, I have no problem to dial-out, if I exit from kermit. My >modem get hangup, that what I don't want (because I want use SLIP line). >CAn anyone tell me how to do it? Thank you. > &D0 should indeed make the modem ignore DTR. Maybe you also have to make the modem ignore other signals too. Maybe the line is "bidirectional", in which case some kind of getty or init or login process takes it over when Kermit closes it, and maybe this other process is hanging it up? You can, by the way, suspend C-Kermit rather than exiting from it. This will leave the connection open for other processes to use, as long as they aren't bothered by C-Kermit's lockfile. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 22:58:21 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA00499 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA18314 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 17:58:23 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!fdc From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: send-init packet Date: 19 Dec 1994 22:58:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 18 Message-Id: <3d536d$hs6@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Jeff Bishop wrote: >How does kermit no that the send-init packet is coming and what special >sequence starts it. I am wanting to use this string to stick in a term >program to call kerlite for automatic downloads. This allows me to not have >to rely on t he other end sending apc commands to my machine. > If you look at the Kermit protocol specification, you can see that the initial Kermit packet can contain almost any sequence of characters. There is no way a terminal emulator can be expected to recognize a Kermit packet. You could say that Kermit packets start with Ctrl-A, but (a) they do not necessarily start with Ctrl-A, and (b) Ctrl-A (or any other control character) might be meaningful to the terminal emulator. The only reliable way to get a terminal emulator to switch into file transfer mode is to send it an escape sequence that is meaningful to it, which is exactly what APC is for. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 21:14:18 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA01267 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:55 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA19006 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Mon, 19 Dec 1994 18:05:54 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!uhog.mit.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!gatech!newsxfer.itd.umich.edu!umcc.umich.edu!edcen!dexter!jsr From: jsr@dexter.mi.org (Jay S. Rouman) Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Message-Id: Organization: Private System References: Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 21:14:18 GMT Lines: 12 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , Mark Nutter wrote: >Is anyone else out there having problems like this with Mac Kermit? Is >anyone *NOT* having problems like this with Mac Kermit? I'd like to compare We have quite a few copies of Mac Kermit 189 running on SLC's and Powerbooks being operated by fairly novice users and I have not gotten any reports of crashes. According to Frank's notes, the state of the Mac version of C-Kermit is far from what he would like, but I have found it to be quite usable. -- Jay Rouman (jsr@dexter.mi.org jsr@umcc.umich.edu NIC Handle: JSR) From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 06:57:09 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA25184 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:21 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA27681 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 15:22:19 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!udel!gatech!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!psinntp!adam.cc.sunysb.edu!gene From: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu (Eugene Tyurin) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Help! Mac C-Kermit 0.991(190) won't run Date: 20 Dec 1994 06:57:09 GMT Organization: Institute for Theoretical Physics, Stony Brook University Lines: 10 Message-Id: <3d5v85$rr@adam.cc.sunysb.edu> References: Reply-To: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Nntp-Posting-Host: insti.physics.sunysb.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Well, for me the problem with Mac Kermit 0.991(190) as opposed to 0.99(190) is simple (and I've posted it here several days ago): I can create a settings file, but I cannot run 0.991 by clicking on it. :^) -- Eugene Tyurin, Inst. for Theoretical Physics - Stony Brook Univ. WWW: http://www.physics.sunysb.edu:80/~gene/plan.html Internet: gene@insti.physics.sunysb.edu Those who don't understand Unix are doomed to reinvent it, poorly. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:14:01 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10489 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:45 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11288 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 beta-15 command-line editing bug Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071401.35510@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:14:01 MDT References: <1994Dec11.193319.35169@cc.usu.edu> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 24 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , d-lewart@uiuc.edu (Daniel S. Lewart) writes: > jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) writes: > >> . Fixed BIOS Int 14 redirection, which was broken a couple edits back. > > Thanks! Just like Int 14 redirection, the following bug really does occur. > Typing any of the following four couplets at the MS-Kermit command line > will generate an unexpected CRLF the second time: > set duplex f > set duplex f > > set duplex f > set duplex h > > set duplex h > set duplex f > > set duplex h > set duplex h > where means the Escape key and means the Enter key. Really. --------- Yup. Fixed now (post beta-15) here. Thanks, Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 01:13:12 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA10486 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:44 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA11284 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:08:42 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!hookup!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!news.cs.utah.edu!cc.usu.edu!jrd From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: Stripping ANSI escape sequence from log, how? Message-Id: <1994Dec15.071312.35509@cc.usu.edu> Date: 15 Dec 94 07:13:12 MDT References: <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org> Organization: Utah State University Lines: 16 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3cnbak$8lc@pauling.wadsworth.org>, frank@news.wadsworth.org (Franklin Hsia) writes: > Working with MS-KERMIT and logging a VT220 session to a file. > > Problem: The file contains ANSI escape sequences which are extraneous for > my purposes. I would like to only deal with the text portion. > > Is there a utility out there that can strip away the ANSI stuff? Or is there > a setting in KERMIT I can set to? ----------- The next time "print to disk" and use the controller print option. This means SET PRINTER filename, and rather than LOG SESSION press Control-Printscreen keys to start logging this way. Only completed lines are logged, not how the lines are put together with cursor commands etc. Control-Printscreen is a toggle, the ON state shows as "PRN" on the status line. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 14:48:22 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13539 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:11 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14196 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:50:03 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!math.ohio-state.edu!scipio.cyberstore.ca!skypoint.com!winternet.com!jamess From: jamess@winternet.com (James Sturdevant) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: SEND sending 0 byte file! Date: 15 Dec 1994 14:48:22 GMT Organization: StarNet Communications, Inc Lines: 17 Message-Id: <3cpkvm$e1v@blackice.winternet.com> References: Nntp-Posting-Host: subzero.winternet.com X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Erik Hatcher (esh6h@fulton.seas.Virginia.EDU) wrote: : ... : And have a macro to send a file like this... : send \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) \%a Try this: asg \%f \$(SENDFILE_LOCAL) send \%f \%a There are smoe command which don't like to parse the long type variable names in C-Kermit 5A. (At least, there used to be...) JamesS From news@columbia.edu Tue Dec 20 18:54:16 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA13820 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:16 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA14554 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 18:54:15 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!news.kei.com!ddsw1!mcs.com!rjmaley From: rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: Thu, 15 Dec 1994 09:12:34 LOCAL Organization: MCSNet Services Lines: 17 Message-Id: Nntp-Posting-Host: rjmaley.pr.mcs.net X-Newsreader: Trumpet for Windows [Version 1.0 Rev B final beta #4] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Hi, I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work perfectly in interactive mode. I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for AXP 6.1. Any suggestions? - Ryan J. Maley rjmaley@mcs.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 15:27:46 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA16684 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:27 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17420 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Tue, 20 Dec 1994 19:35:26 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!spcuna!solaris.cc.vt.edu!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!dsm6.dsmnet.com!dsm1.dsmnet.com!RICH From: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: VMS C-Kermit in batch mode? Date: 15 Dec 1994 15:27:46 GMT Organization: DES MOINES INTERNET, DES MOINES, IA Lines: 29 Message-Id: <3cpn9i$5fh@dsm6.dsmnet.com> References: Reply-To: rich@dsm1.dsmnet.com Nntp-Posting-Host: dsm1.dsmnet.com Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article , rjmaley@mcs.com (Ryan J. Maley) writes: >Hi, > >I've written a Kermit script that sends text to an alphanumeric pager. It >works great, but I can't seem to run C-Kermit in batch mode. Every time I >launch Kermit (with or without my script) in a batch program, my batch aborts >and I get an error %CKERMIT-E-FATAL, Can't initialize! The batch program work >perfectly in interactive mode. > >I don't see a command line switch for batch operation. Basically, I'm stuck. >I'm using C-Ckermit 5A(190) (I've also experienced this under 189) and VMS for >AXP 6.1. > >Any suggestions? > >- >Ryan J. Maley >rjmaley@mcs.com Try this command in your DCL program just before the run Kermit command: $ define/user_mode sys$input sys$command Richard L. Philpott | E-MAIL: rich@dsmnet.com Des Moines Internet | All opinions are just that, opinions!! 5911 Meredith Drive, Suite B | All opinions are mine only and not Urbandale, IA 50322 | those of DES MOINES INTERNET From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 04:57:27 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09972 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:39 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08347 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 00:52:38 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!news.kei.com!news.mathworks.com!europa.eng.gtefsd.com!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!adam From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 04:57:27 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Math department Lines: 19 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: cygnus.math.uiuc.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu >It seems that with the new version of OS/2 CKermit (190), almost anytime I >type Ctrl-C the entire program terminates. I don't think I ever had >this happen in the old version. For example, if I start CKermit from >the Presentation Manager and type Ctrl-C at the CKermit prompt, the >program promptly exits. Is this _supposed_ to happen? > > Thanks, Adam H. Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or a-lewenberg@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Thu Dec 15 18:03:34 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA11083 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:12 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA08836 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 01:04:10 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!panix!news.mathworks.com!bigboote.WPI.EDU!wpi.WPI.EDU!eeyore From: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU ( Eeyore ) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: cmsg cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Control: cancel <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Date: 15 Dec 1994 18:03:34 GMT Organization: Worcester Polytechnic Institute Lines: 1 Message-Id: <3cq0dm$bjs@bigboote.WPI.EDU> References: <3cld9e$i93@bach.convex.com> <1994Dec14.083711.35412@cc.usu.edu> <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> Nntp-Posting-Host: wpi.wpi.edu Originator: eeyore@wpi.WPI.EDU Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu <3cobav$7mm@bigboote.WPI.EDU> was cancelled from within rn. From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 07:15:37 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15517 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:43 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12445 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:15:41 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!watsun.cc.columbia.edu!jaltman From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: Re: OS/2 Ckermit, Ctrl-C and command-line arguments Date: 21 Dec 1994 07:15:37 GMT Organization: Columbia University Lines: 34 Distribution: usa Message-Id: <3d8kmp$c4r@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu> References: <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Nntp-Posting-Host: watsun.cc.columbia.edu Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In article <3d8cjn$p42@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >I am fairly sure this happens because now I start ckermit with a >command line argument, namely "-y modem.ini" which loads a different >initialization file than the default. (Previously I used no command >line arguments.) I can understand that a Ctrl-C should terminate >kermit when it is started as a server, but to arbitrarily terminate >just because one uses a command-line argument seems overly rigid. > Adam Lewenberg adam@math.uiuc.edu >-- Adam: I just tried this. I copied my ckermod.ini file to a new name and then started ckermit with a -y parameter listing the new ini file. Then typed ^C repeatedly. Nothing happened. the only place in the code where there is a problem handling ^C is in the dial command. If the dial command is interrupted with a ^C from that point forward there can be problems. (I'm working on it.) Would you mind contacting me directly about this so that we can get to the bottom of it quickly? Net-news is so slow. Send me a copy of your modem.ini file so that I can try to replicate the problem. Jeffrey Altman * PO Box 220415 * Great Neck, NY * 11022-0415 * (516) 466-5495 "C-Kermit: available on more platforms than any other communications software." "Kermit FTP: sending files whenever and wherever they are needed." *NEW* OS/2 version 5A(190): ftp kermit.columbia.edu /kermit/archives/ckoker.zip From news@columbia.edu Mon Dec 19 20:18:05 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA15629 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:25 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA12592 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 02:17:24 -0500 Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!EU.net!sun4nl!echelon!kees From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: kermit on a apple][+ Organization: Echelon Consultancy, Enschede, The Netherlands Date: Mon, 19 Dec 1994 20:18:05 GMT Message-Id: References: Lines: 17 Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu In Simon C.Hall writes: > anyone use kermit on an apple][+? > I'm looking for a new term pgm,let me know what you think of it. Until I retired my Apple II systems two years ago, I used the Apple-II version of Kermit as terminal emulator on them. Good vt100 emulation, acceptable speed (about 6000bps) and a very stable binary (especially the ProDOS version). The Apple-II kermit distribution also containes a Unix 6502 cross-assembler, which I used quite a lot. I believe the most current release is 3.87. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 836 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 337 415 From news@columbia.edu Wed Dec 21 09:39:33 1994 Received: from apakabar.cc.columbia.edu by watsun.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA24194 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:13 -0500 Received: by apakabar.cc.columbia.edu id AA17054 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for kermit.misc@watsun); Wed, 21 Dec 1994 04:40:11 -0500 Path: news.columbia.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk!warwick!bham!wcl-rs!gio From: gio@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc Subject: DEC LAT multisession capabilities? Date: 21 Dec 1994 09:39:33 GMT Organization: The University of Birmingham, UK. Lines: 6 Message-Id: <3d8t4l$osb@sun4.bham.ac.uk> Reply-To: gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk Nntp-Posting-Host: wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2] Apparently-To: kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu Subject sums it up really... Is this currently possible with (MS-DOS) Kermit or if not, does anyone know if it is likely to become a part of the package? Gio