From: WHS <wouters@cistron.nl>
  To  : ggi-develop@eskimo.com
  Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:31:42 +0200

Re: Licenses and stubborn people

Hartmut Niemann wrote:

> I was called 'radical' by someone (and I am proud of it :-), so I can say
> it again:
> Some day (SOON!) we'll need a license under which we'll publish
> our code, and all those who don't like it must decide for themselves
> whether they leave or not. We lose less than five coders for *any*
> solution proposed yet. Or we lose a complete and interesting project.

Yes, I've been thinking about this, and I'm afraid you're right. If
things don't happen fast it might all vaporise. What bothers me even
more about this, is that we could be running on *BSD natively long ago
(and this would have probably forced KGI into the linux kernel) if more
people were serious about pushing GGI forward.

> <personal attacks>
> Dear Wouter! If we can't agree on a license at all, the BSD crowd
> won't get ANYTHING. If we agree on something *GPLed, they *can*, if they
> want, use it. BTW: Is there an indication that they are
> all as stubborn as you?

You may think I am, and I probably am, but that's irrelevant wrt to the
arguments I give. NOONE else gives arguments for BSD'ing and there are
plenty of people who give the 'I'm getting ripped off by a company'
argument. Now, Andy wanted GGI to run on BSD, so I suggested the port to
the BSD people. Now what do you expect from me? Not speak up for use on
BSD?

Reread all my posts and you will see that I always advocate using the
license that is suited to what to you want. As Andy wanted to run on BSD
(and this has become something I'd like to see too) this seems to me a
non-copyleft license. Also note that I've given arguments for and
against BSD'ing and compared it to the what will happen when LGPL'ing.
So don't say I advocate BSD and think those who want LGPL are idiots or
something like that. That's not true (I only want people to be aware of
the consequnces of both types of license).

Now, I can tell you one thing (FYI, I have got OpenBSD installed and I'm
subscribed to the tech/misc openbsd lists, so I know what I'm talking
about), if libggi is LGPL then GGI won't become mainstream on *BSD. It's
as simple as that.

Wouter