From: Christoph Egger <Christoph_Egger@t-online.de>
  To  : ggi-develop@eskimo.com
  Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 18:31:09 +0200 (MEST)

Re: Kludge.org living up to name?

On Fri, 2 Apr 1999, Brian Julin wrote:

> 
> 
> After numerous attempts I still can't even get the 
> kludge.org lists to acknowlege I exist.  No response from them
> whatsoever.  Yes I was sending to ggi-*-subscribe@kludge.org.
> Yes I sent a blank message.  I even did it from the commandline
> via sendmail a couple of times.
> 
> I say we scrap the new lists until we find a server that works.
>
I subscribed the new lists successfully, but when I read the message which
is sent back to me I think it's not so flexible and easy to use as
ggi-develop@eskimo.com. So I agree that we scrap the new lists until we
find a server that works as the eskimo.com or perhaps better.

Here is a snip of one mail I get from kludge.org:
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Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
ggi-3d@kludge.org mailing list.

Acknowledgment: I have added the address

   Christoph_Egger@t-online.de

to the ggi-3d mailing list.

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